 But how many of you all have seen people talk about I covered it on the other channel But how many of you have seen or heard people talk about the cessationist conference matter fact it just ended But how many of you all have seen or heard people talk about the cessationist conference? I don't know if you all saw it In the blowback or anything like that. What what is you? What are your what are your opinions of it? I want to know what you all think about it if you feel like you know that that's that's too much I wouldn't do it If you haven't seen if you haven't heard let me go ahead and put it on the screen So you guys can actually see the trailer for it not the trailer, but the the the announcement for it The church today is infected with the influences of the charismatic movement They seek feelings blessings experiences healings and not Christ Charismatic theology has affected so much of our theology in ways that we don't often recognize It teaches people to be searching for a miracle And I tried for years to speak in tongues Om briastic are yes the Brianda yes the man says it's weird, but the spirit says hello. This is awesome To look away from the Bible for a fresh word They don't have a single prophet who has been 100% accurate 25 million number one is Pentecostals that deny the Trinity 90% of them believe the prosperity gospel that Jesus wants to make you rich and healthy Join us for the cessationist conference. We hope to see you there So what do you guys think that's there that's the conference now? I don't know where you guys fall You know if you all would consider yourself to be cessationist Would you would you be continuationist or if you are the correct? persuasion which is a Biblical continuationist that is if you see the gifts of the spirit it must look like what it looks like in them in the Bible I'm not a me personally because someone's gonna say Cory. You are a cessationist. I Don't know how many times I have to say this But I'm not I'm not a cessationist. I Am a biblical continuationist So if a person happens to show an actual gift I won't be to the point where if I see because I don't know for sure so if the gift if an actual move of the spirit shows up and It looks like it looks in the Bible within a man. Amen. I don't believe That God cannot do whatever Or not do anything. He can do what he wants to There are no passages that tell us that they have ceases least as far as I'm concerned But now they're having a conference where they had a conference and there was a big hubbub about this and Me personally Even though I'm not a cessationist. I don't have a problem with the conference at all So my question is really to you you guys lead you guys help me in this What do you think do you think it's okay for them to have a conference the conference? I believe was three days a lot of folks make a lot about the fact that it was $299 per person for the conference. I think 250 for children or young folk Do you all think that it was okay? You think it was wrong? Do you think they shouldn't be charging for two ninety nine for the conference? What what what's the point? What what what's the purpose of this? I've seen people even the folks who I tend to agree with in some cases Theologically would make statements such as Imagine having a conference where people get together and talk about what God won't do or can't do Well, I think that's a bit much also to say that first of all Well before I get my opinion now you obviously you saw my The thumbnail and so I said I'm okay with it now. I'll tell you why I'm okay with it in a second But what do you guys think I just I'm interested in hearing from you Yeah, two hundred ninety nine dollars for the conference Cody, that's that's right two hundred ninety nine dollars for the conference It's not a church service, but it's a conference and they deemed it they deemed it necessary to charge two ninety nine now What could that two ninety nine go for? Well, you've got speakers coming And they need to let's be honest You all don't do anything free. They don't have to do anything free either They do have to get there and get back most of these people. Yeah, three hundred dollars for a three-day conference Not not bad. You can do one two things pay for it and go not pay for it not go That's kind of how it goes if you have an issue with it by the way Don't other people have conferences I mean, let's be clear There are a lot of charismatic folks who are in the uproar and they have conferences all the time Yes, but Corey, they don't always charge. Can let let's just let's just be clear about something When someone says they don't charge That is immaterial in many cases that is immaterial. Why? Because if we're going to have a thousand people five thousand people however many thousand folks gonna show up and We're gonna take an offering the offering is going to probably exceed any more than the Than the money that you would charge anyway That in when you see these guys going to these conferences and so forth There's no who which one of the charismatic folks are having a problem with people paying to go to manpower or a woman They're at loose anybody having a problem with that. Oh By the way, these little and let's say if your issue is the money They have conference all exactly right six eighty nine I keep calling you six eighty nine because I just like the six eighty nine better but So what just took a shot at me about my coats. It's okay though. It's okay though but Don't we all have something like that where people who because folks are saying well, this is kind of like an echo chamber You got people who agree and Believe the same thing coming together nothing about this because that's one of the arguments They disagree. I mean they all agree They get together and they all want to talk about what they agree about And I don't think that's right now. That's not my argument I'm saying other folks have said that and when I heard that One of those arguments and that's why I want to see what you guys think when I heard that argument that Why would you that's that's creating an echo chamber too many people who believe the same thing coming together? Talk about the same thing. Why do that? Well, isn't that what your church is like? Isn't that just like your church? You all go you all more than likely go to a church Where you all agree about the same thing to hear a guy or two or three or some case you all churches a gal a girl Get up and speak about what you believe They're just doing over a three-day over a three-day period now We don't know what the problem was that I had with with many folks is that they were talking about What they're gonna talk about but hadn't heard about what they're gonna talk about Let them talk about it Because maybe maybe you're gonna hear some things by the way We are told to contend for the faith and so there's this issue because their biggest issue is this charismatic movement I personally believe the charismatic movement has a lot of false a lot of false Do I think and I said before I think and I'm I'm interested in the charismatic now By the way, I won't say who I'm I'm I'm scheduled to go speak with someone who's a charismatic or some charismatic people In just a little bit. I'm scheduled to go meet with them and talk to them, but I Won't say who's I want to make sure that that it That it all comes through someone's at my door. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna have someone is ringing the door So I don't have a problem speaking to charismatic. They want to speak with me. So I'll go speak with them but there's only a few Charismatic people who are actually going to are actually interested in J. Joe's witnesses No, it's not Joe's witnesses. I'm looking at the door and so I can't tell I can't who is this Marine I don't know who this is. I don't know who this is. Maybe this is somebody here To want to just make it I should I should talk through the thing, but I'm not gonna talk to them I'm not gonna answer anything dog on it but I don't have a problem with it People come together and speaking their mind I do have a problem with people Pre-judging what they think they're gonna talk about maybe Maybe no, it's not him at the door. I wish it were if it were him at the door I would I would leave and go answer the door right now I would go I would go to the door right now and answer it if it's him and bring a camera But no Some people and matter of fact, that's a good segue That's a good segue a lot of people don't don't like to Have conversations a lot of people don't who is this is this my I'm trying to see what this is. I think this is my daughter. This is my daughter. Yeah, I'm not open the door for her She has a key Anyway, but Ladies and gentlemen my daughter made it in but you bringing up that person Brings up an issue The reason why we have these conferences and I understand everybody can't can't do this But the reason why you have a lot of these conferences is in response to a lot of what we see happening in the world You see a lot of confusion. She a lot of charismatic This and a lot of charismatic that and you want to have conversations and in many cases in many cases a Lot of folks want to have a conversation now I was listening to a couple of people and they say that these that these cessationists They don't want to talk to anybody. They don't want to they don't want they don't want the smoke or now I've heard the different all the different ranges. I've heard some people be a little bit more nicer about it I've seen some people be a little bit more Challenging about it. Can I just be honest? Let's be honest If you had what you tell me guys, which group the cessationists or The continuation is which do you think are more apt to have a discussion? Doctrally about gifts CC Now I can name a few people on the charismatic side Because this continuationist who I who I know they they have no problem with having these sort of conversations Dr. Michael Brown will go and do so. He's one The guys over at remit radio They don't mind having a conversation Now it is three at three against whoever's coming, but that's fine. That's fine But by and large, let's just be honest by and large guys unless someone wants to prove me wrong by and large Charismatic people don't like having these doctrinal conversations And what it always ends up delving into is you don't have the Holy Spirit that that's typically what it delves into Now are there some cessations that people will or yeah some cessations that folks would like to see have the conversation Well, well, Dr. MacArthur. I mean Dr. Brown has been challenging John MacArthur for ages. Well, John MacArthur is a pastor Michael Brown is not You don't see a lot of pastors. You might see a couple, but you don't see a lot of pastors Especially some of that of that stature You don't see a lot of them going and having debates when they have these conferences and so forth. They have it You know where it's convenient for them rightly so because they have she could deal with I Can I can think of some prominent pastors who have a large flock We're all so busy and other different things and they don't go around doing a lot different first of all because in many Cays they might if they may feel you know what that these debates Might not go anywhere, but those that listen to me listen to me I'll tell you I'll give you my stance if you disagree fine go over here listen them I don't have a problem with John MacArthur not debating anybody. I don't have a problem with it at all now in lieu of John MacArthur showing up I I'll talk with you now. I'm not a cessationist But I'll argue the points that some of these other folks have these issues with tongues and I still say that because we're gonna talk about this on next week. What is the very definition of un? Biblical what does it mean to be unbiblical? Well to be unbiblical means it's not in the Bible and let's just be clear guys This is just my take and the charismatic that may disagree fine Prove us wrong Most of what you speak about or say or the acts that you that you demonstrate are not Biblical they're not in the Bible. Let me give you an answer I mean let me give you an idea or example slaying the spirit. That's not in the Bible. There's no example of it Praying in a heavenly language not in the Bible Praying in praying in tongues or angelic tongues not in the Bible I'll still deal with this now and that's it's not a charismatic issue, but still I say loss of salvation no example of it un Biblical meaning it's not in the Bible. That's my contention And so I'm looking for the people that say otherwise show me the examples because the word is given for us as a Pattern of how to live all scriptures. I think my Bible yours might say the same thing I hope yours is a say it says the same thing that all scripture is inspired By God and profitable for the teaching for reproof for correction for training in righteousness So that the man or woman of God may be adequate equipped for every good work Doesn't that carry cover every part of your life every facet of life? Where's my there it is Truth of talk says But Jay Mac throws a lot of stones and doesn't want cross examination. Well, I'll say this I'll say this I Think personally me I think if you're gonna say it you ought to be willing to stand and deal with it I really I really think he should but They do too They do too So in in in terms of John MacArthur, okay fine. I think he should I think I think anyone that would make a public critique Should be willing to should be willing to but if they don't I'm not gonna hold against them What I will deal with is their argument Because I can't tell you this though brother, and I know you're not I know you're not picking a side of the top But I'll just say it's for everybody in most cases in most Cases when you see people Be it on YouTube Facebook, what have you that say hey listen what you're doing is not biblical Can you can we talk about it? They don't typically want to talk about it Unless you guys know other than Michael Brown and the guys over at remnant radio Who is out there? Who are some of the leading voices that are out there that are carrying the banner for? continuationists and are willing to have Conversation dialogue debate or what have you is is it biblical to debate? It's biblical to argue your points out It's biblical to defend your point If you think what you're doing is contending for the faith you contend if you think what you're doing over here Is contending for the faith then you contend The only reason why I see I don't know why What your heart is why you believe what you believe I could be wrong, but if I'm wrong And you don't show me then what will I continue to be I'll continue to be wrong So I think I think it is I think it's appropriate to do so now I'm saying this because I don't carry the The banner of Cessationists I don't I don't however However Yeah, he would How much I'm gonna try to put this you all remember you remember the the the little back and forth that was going on with myself and and What's the guy's name with the beard? Oh? Pagani and When he came on a few times it was cordial it was friendly Hey, let's talk about Cuz I'm trying I'm trying to be as godly and have a biblical godly dialogue I don't know where you stand on some things I see what you're saying don't necessarily agree. Can you break this down? Can you flesh this out? Can you help me understand something? Can you can you give me a peek behind the curtains to see what it is? You're thinking why I'm wrong and you're right if what you're saying is Important and it's biblical now his aren't his answer was I don't want to say some of these things until after the book comes out Which I think is kind of I think that's wrong, but fine fine because I think what you're saying is Biblical and necessary than you I don't need for you to wait for a book to come out But fine even once the book comes out and those matter of fact quite the opposite you block me you cut me off Which is fine, which is fine, but it goes counter to what you guys are saying now I want to play a couple of clips. I want to play a couple pay play a couple of clips from some continuationists who How do I say this? They're out there trying to defend continuationism now the first one I don't have a problem with that being dr. Michael Brown. He is It's a video of Pagani speaking about what dr. Michael Brown is saying You gotta be careful when we caricature and paint certain pictures You want to know who the real bill Johnson is come on watch the sermon he preached after losing his wife to cancer Thank you for praying for a healing. Yes friends. It's important. We come with equal weights equal measures That's why I'm part of this documentary Now I want you to notice something now I don't have a problem with him now. He's part of this documentary about The the cessationist movement and he wants to you know, give his side which I think that's fine I what I do give dr. Michael Brown credit is is that he's all he's always willing to be Johnny on the spot to defend his doctor Now I don't think he I think I think he I don't think he does it well on something some things he does I think he is outstanding when it comes to When he goes against Hebrew Israelites I think so he now if you he's kind of person to call it what it is If you back him into a corner or if you come at him then then he does want to play the I'm the doctor Oh, I'm the I'm the guy with the with the the degree and so forth And so but you don't have a degree and so says you don't have a degree. You can't argue that point All right fine, but he is there. He is Johnny on the spot And and and I'm the kind of person I've stated before that a lot of these guys I don't think that they're necessarily not Christians or anything like that or whatever they may or may not be I don't know But what I want to do is I want to do it do what your doctor Because whether you're saved or whether you're not is not does have has no bearing on me and my salvation But in terms of teaching the actual Truth of the gospel, let's have this conversation. You come from a different standpoint than I do Let's look at these things together He's really the only one that will do so and so I don't have a problem with him You know saying listen, that's why I'm showing up on this video to to make my case and so forth the problem is though Pagani and other people are saying certain things That it isn't true. There's a reason why there's a reason why you're having a Sensationist conference. There's a reason why you've got all these other Conferences that charismatic's have There's a reason why you've got Conferences to do mass deliverance Now, I don't see you guys having these having these videos about them these master What's worse? Not that I think not that I think that having a The cessationist conference is bad. I don't think I don't think it's bad at all. I don't think it's wrong But what I do think is wrong is planning a conference to do mass deliverance. I Think that's wrong and you are selling things at the conferences Which would you I'd rather be at the cessationist conference all day long Then and again, I'm not a cessationist, but I don't have a problem with the conference I'm still trying to get to the bottom of why people have a problem with this with the conference But I think it's for two main reasons Two main reasons one. I don't like those people Let's just be honest, there's a lot of folks who don't like John MacArthur there's a lot of folks who don't like Justin Peters and so in many cases not all so if this is not you don't Don't don't don't say out because I'm not hitting you But if you're getting hit then they might be you but a lot of folks it's unlike John MacArthur John MacArthur goes from being the darling of the Christian community To now being public enemy number one took for a lot of people That and in many cases, it's a lot of folks who don't seem to act very godly themselves that are calling him out Or don't know the whole story because again people think that if you don't say or give everything that there is to say If you don't give the details information. I'm looking for it. Well, then you must be guilty. Yeah, whatever Said says the people who don't give a lot of detail about they tell you what they tell you what they want you to know But a lot of folks just don't like John MacArthur. And so therefore what he's attached to it's wrong. It's evil Okay Lot of folks don't like Justin Peters. So if so facto He's wrong That's not that no No John MacArthur's point about the charismatic Point is the second reason why a lot of charismatic have a problem with that is that he's calling out an actor I think an actual truth. He made a statement And and I happened I caught a little bit this last night when I was what I was doing some stuff And I saw that Ruslan was talking about it on the other channel And I think Ruslan missed the point that he was talking about about that them always hocking their products And he wasn't talking about finances, although that's all also part of it But what charismatic seek to present are the gifts rather than the giver What's more important are the signs rather than the savior Jesus doesn't seem to be enough. I need Jesus plus some stuff The stuff helps me to know that Jesus is there. No, no, no, I don't need your stuff I wouldn't that I'm wrong Lord. I would like to see you bless me tangibly I would like to see you bless me with a ton of money to count I would like to see you bless me with with a abundance of great health I would like to see you give me the greatest amount of wisdom ever known to me I'd like to give me things on top of things on top of things But that's not gonna happen and because of that. I'm fine as Paul says, you know Paul in the Bible He says I know I know what it's like to be a to be up and to be down to have a lot and have nothing But what does Paul learn to be whatever state he's in to be content and so what you see in the charismatic movement And I wish people would stop acting like only charismatic Current charismatic know what it's like to be in the charismatic movement There are a lot of people who are not charismatic who used to be There are a lot of folks that they used to be there in these churches Matter of fact, some of you guys that are defending the charismatic Weren't even born when us who are having the issue with it was talking about it as Though you just came on the scene. We don't know anything about what it's like to be in a Pentecostal charismatic church And so therefore you need to educate him. Please stop with that. I Know exactly what it's like to be in a Pentecostal charismatic church. I know what it's like I know what the peer pressure is like Everybody wants to be spiritual as a matter of fact before there was a charismatic church Paul said to the Corinthians I know you guys have a zeal for the things of the spirit But desire in building up the body Paul didn't come back and say desire in building up yourself So I that's why I look forward to having these conversations They tend to not look forward to have these conversations as a matter of fact this I don't know if y'all remember I did this video I covered this I want I think it's appropriate to bring it out now Because again, this is why we have these different conferences. You could eliminate some of these conferences if we just kind of came together I agree with that but a Lot of those folks that have a problem with this conference They themselves don't want to come together. You guys are not friendly with us. No, you guys are not your Now what I also want you to do is this Before it before it moves. Let me don't gonna move us back just a little bit. I want y'all to see something Do y'all uh-oh let me move it a little bit. Do y'all see whose name made us right there? Can you all see who just chimed in? With the hundred percent. Do y'all see that? I don't know. I don't know if y'all can see that That is Isaiah Pagani Because let me tell you also what's happening as well You'll find people that get critiqued That will look actively for other people to critique the people that are critiquing them So let's say let me let me pick somebody. Let's say I I have an issue Let me let me use truth of talks. So I got an issue with truth of talks I didn't I'm just now this isn't this isn't you know, I don't have I don't have issue with with my brother I don't have a bitch at all. By the way, go check out his channel. That's how much I don't have an issue with it but let's say I got an issue with something he said and Truth of talk is not willing to talk to me now. He I'm sure I he's willing to talk But let's say he's not willing to talk What he would do What they're doing is if someone comes against me Then truth of talk goes over there and a man in show and so forth goes to the next channel that when someone is coming against me Hey, man, so we see that a lot we see now truth of talk would do that But I'm saying other folks do that. That's why you're gonna see that's why you're gonna see the Isaiah side of ours of the world over on this channel over on that channel over on that channel not necessarily with their face on But in the chat section because the people who are on the channel are talking about someone that's called him out Well, just since you've got all that power. Why don't you step up and show us? That's them. That's the only point and so I just wanted to all for you all to be aware of that You'll see time and time them showing up in the chats I'm not going to anybody's channel To egg them on to go against somebody who I disagree with I don't have a problem with with dealing with because part of the problem is guys Everybody talks about everybody talks about we should dialogue Most folks don't want to do that dialogue most folks don't don't even want to do it privately You all know some of the scuttle butt that's happened even regarding me over the last I don't know six seven eight months. Whatever somebody can say what they want to say But you steal to this day won't call me Still to this day even and again all the folks every single person that's that that is that is made a video Corey's this and this and this that has talked to me When they talked to me didn't get off the phone saying that same thing I think there's a benefit in talking to somebody now. I've called out folks who I've tried to talk to previously I try to I try to get in touch with her matter of fact matter of fact And he said on record and and the guy agreed Ruslan even said that he tried to even broker a little conversation with me and those guys They don't want to So since you don't want to you can't say things like this. No, you guys are not Your the basis of your friendship is to agree with you doctrinally You guys do not extend an olive branch. No, you don't no, you don't maybe one or two of you the vast majority of you guys Do not extend an olive branch to the rest of us deliverance, you know Presuppose any art you guys own it you guys are not friendly with us We are friendly with you guys. You guys are not friendly with us You know, that's just it is what it is. I wish I authentically wish just like what this pastor mentioned here Is is how he has friends Unfortunately, you guys as of recent are not friendly with us. You are not friendly with us Own it american gospel. That's not what's happening on social media Now i'm not saying that this is where you guys are at as far as your worldview concerning those on this The opposite side in which you're looking to confront nar But that's not what's happening with the rest of the christian community But wait a second hold up stop. Let me pick my pick my job off the floor Because that's not true. You're the listen you made a couple videos Calling me out and so forth and why you blocked me, which is fine. Which is which is fine. And again, let's go But let's rewind go back in time He said he made a video because I called out his friend What's the guy's name dog gone You know when you get know when you can see a person's name and you forget their name I do with my kids all the time. I forget I call my kids by the other their siblings name, but Uh, when I made it when I talked about uh, isaac salivar and then the more I dug the other way It's like I got it. No, wait a second. This is horrible. This is this is bad This is bad and so The issue was uh, I called him up and said, hey, listen, what did you say about us being little gods? Yeah, he made the video about him being little guys. He said, no, I didn't that's not what I'm saying It's okay. Okay, that's fine But then he made another video said no, we are a little lo. He was and then and then he blocked me Then the video about, uh Salivar because I said listen, I got issues. I need to talk to this young brother brother If I said anything offensive, I apologize Let's talk not on the screen behind the you know behind the scenes on camera. I'm on camera on the phone But no, he declined. He declined even if I I said, well, can you can you can you share this email with him? I'll share it with you but and so that's fine. You don't owe Corey minor anything. You really don't You don't have to talk to me ever um That's fine But I think you owe people an explanation for your doctrine all be always be ready to give a defense And so I think that if you're going to say it I think you should be able to give a defense either publicly or privately and again It doesn't have to be face to face but make sure that you give a defense To what you're saying even if you do it in the confines of your own church or your own channel or what have you? You guys are not friendly with us No, you guys and so you can't say that because again, I don't see you guys doing the same thing and by the way If if if if we can't Have an if we can't have a conversation Should we relent on calling out Bad doctrine The apostle paul saw that the apostle peter Was leading by bad example. What did he do? He didn't call him because that's the new thing you should call somebody we don't call false teachers. We call them out Right And let me just say this a phone call doesn't stop a call out Let me say that again a phone call doesn't stop a call out Even if I did call you when I hang up the phone. I'm still calling you out Because that's a new thing we shouldn't call them out. You should just give them a phone call. Yes Give them the phone call get it get the facts and when you get the fact that they really are like that Hang up the phone and still call them out Uh, I don't have a problem with that. I really don't I don't have a problem with someone Hey, kore. I think you're wrong about this. I think you're wrong about that I do have a problem with the going back and forth with the when it gets personal Someone says korey. You are the devil. Okay, so you know what I need to do I need to come back and make a video about the guy that called me the devil and then No, no, you're a bigger devil No, korey. You are you are you are fatty mc fat ahead and then I come back. Well, uh your mama We're not gonna do that and I will never do that. I'm I'm not going to go tit for tat We can talk about doctor We can talk about doc and I disagree with this. Well, kore, you're wrong about that. Okay, well fine We can talk about the bible always be ready to give an answer of the of a hope that's in you this the scriptures the doctor Not about personal issues. I could okay fine Fine your wife didn't know how to cook chicken I I should make a video about that Right. You you leave your dog outside in the rain all the time Okay, I'm not making no The whole goal is to grow in the grace and knowledge Of what the lord not growing the grace and the knowledge of joe bop growing the grace and the knowledge of uh, ben hinn are growing the grace and the knowledge of Uh, td jakes. No, it's about doctrine That's it. Yeah. Yeah, if she can't cook chicken, no, we're gonna have to pray for her We listen if you can't fry at least bake it If if all you can do is boil chicken I don't know if that's grounds for divorce, but dog on this is certainly grounds for for good strong counseling So yeah, you chicken boilers I'm kidding. I'm kidding watch watch my family give you some boiled chicken this weekend You got to be able to fry some chicken Though I don't get fried chicken anymore. I get baked chicken So Brianna said I can't fry but I can bake it. Well, then there you go, sweetheart. You're good. You are good to go You are good to go now. We're gonna make a video Calling you out about your no-frying chicken self Brianna came fry But we should but again, I don't have a problem with calling somebody's doctrine out I I absolutely I don't have a problem with folks calling my doctrine out I think you should be it should be a an environment where Your doctrine needs to be held to the light of scrutiny Why is and you should expect it you should expect what you believe that and you state publicly You should expect to be called out publicly or at least to be reviewed publicly Why because it also helps you to be sounding what you're saying It causes you to be sure and maybe you're not sure. Maybe you're wrong about something. That's fine Let's look at some their times. I said, you know what wait a second. I think and you know what someone says now Of course that was wrong dog. Aren't you were right? You were right someone yet the other day I was talking about something and said that might that might even be a what was it Oh a grandville sharp rule and I just kind of quickly looked at. I said, you know, I think it is He said no, no because these are plural. I went. Oh, you know what? You're right. These are these are singler I have made little issues or little twerks and and in as regards to reading and understanding what regeneration is As I just go through from the beginning of the bible to the end of the bible. How I look at that I've made some some Some tweaks We need we need to get another word from tweaks because there's another word out there that people are doing and If I used to say I used to you're kind of tweak and twerk that thing But now that's another thing and so it takes us all over the world. So forgive me for even But you should have you should expect your doctrine to be challenged Why would you not expect to be changed? But see the problem is we get bothered by it we we get bothered by it and so People don't like to be called out people are more about their feelings What are your thoughts on quarry minor? I don't know him enough and I've only seen Skimped clips of his videos that he's made about me and I don't obviously I don't care for him because I don't agree with A lot of stuff he did and I don't obviously I don't care for him because I don't agree with a lot of stuff He did Now which is fine Which you don't have to like because you because you don't like my my teachings. That's fine That's fine. We are big enough to understand that everyone is not going I listen. I'm 51 I know what it's like to not be liked I know what it's like to not be liked because of what I teach what I believe Um, would you believe there are folks that are hating on me? Hating on me because I'm bald. Could you imagine that? Who in their right mind can't love a man with a bald head? I just don't know I don't know what the world is coming to you remember when bald used to be I'm talking about going back to kojak days you you're a printer You a printer played ferro In the 10 commandments You a printer was the best ferro ever with that bald head I don't but folks are gonna not like you for a lot of different reasons for a lot of reasons. Okay fine. So what grow up? Maybe some of you guys need to go back and be and be parented again Or you know, I'm sorry get some different parents because some of us are just too Too emotional and someone they don't like what I said. I like you but I like what you said But that that mean you don't like me though. No, I don't I like you. I don't like what you said But why don't you like me? I like you. I just don't like what you said. Yeah, but why don't you like? What's wrong with me because I like you know, I like you now. I don't like you. Sorry Now now you've talked me in to not like you. That's how we are today But it's fine. But what we call Isaiah out on and others folks when they say things like this To give the devil a migraine You got to understand he is afraid of your worship He is afraid of your praise. He is afraid of your song I mean that that that's that's tough talk the devil is afraid of me I I give the devil migraines sickness is afraid. Okay Now that's just being young And being ignorant because that's what that is That's what that is the listen when you wake up the devil doesn't have any kind of regard about that. Okay. Hey, he's up again The devil is not over the devil fears one person His name is God which is part of the problem with the charismatic movement, which is why you have this pushback What could they possibly be talking about? In a cessationist only conference What could they be talking about? They could be talking about a lot of different things Can I ask you guys a question in the chats? How many of you all are cessations? I'm not gonna and I'm not gonna jump on you if you aren't but how many of you all put a Put a one as is that the youtube way to put a one in the chats or yes If you are cessations if you believe Gifts have ceased What is that if you believe that certain gifts have ceased Particularly what they call the sign gifts the apostolic gifts Don't know I ain't got no cessations Gotta have some cessations. I mean I have to have some cessations in here Okay Neal is a point five Okay, there's one. Oh gonna wait a minute. You mean tell me Let me look over. Okay. Okay there Scott. So hey Scott Scott is a Scott stop Scott stop texting me and call me when I see your text a week or two weeks after call me Okay, now we got someone. Okay fine Fine. Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I don't agree with the truth of talks because it that that also There's another knowledge is in there as well, but here's the thing How many of you all who are cessationists? Believe that God is your all-in-all that you need to rely on God Anybody there's anybody who's a cessationist or even a non cessation How many of you all believe that that we need to rely on God for everything? I am I'm squared. I need to rely on God for everything There isn't put a one in the chats or yes You think if you think that God is your all-in-all that you have to rely on him for everything And I mean with three syllables every Thing how everybody right? Could it be that at the cessations conference they talk about that? Now I haven't I haven't seen it hadn't heard it hadn't talked to Virgil about it I want to get Virgil on it and at some point time and talk about g3 and and this as well Um, but and by the way Does Virgil Walker not have a mean hairdo? Does Virgil Walker not have an awesome hairdo? It's just a listen For no other reason you should like him is because that the hairdo but what if what if that's what they're talking about at the conference Who has a problem about that now What if they're talking about? How you can be secure in christ What if they're teaching that or teaching how to be secure if all you ever have is christ What if they're teaching that if you never get any gifts manifested in you? You're still okay. What what if they're teaching that does anybody have a problem with that? You shouldn't because what I just said is biblical Now do I do I believe the gifts have ceased? Uh, truth was looned to I've covered this before in 1st Corinthians 13 He says love never fails, but if there are gifts of prophecy They will be done away with so at some point in time these The gifts of prophecy will be done away with if there are tongues They will cease if there is knowledge it will be done away with now my my contention is My contention is This word prophecy is not what we think it's not the prophecy where you're going to give the foretelling the future This gift of prophecy is just simply given a revelation be it foretelling or foretelling and since the overwhelming majority of prophecy in the bible Uh as well as it would have been when the when the spirit was poured out was Forth telling what the lord has done his death bear a resurrection I think that was the overwhelming majority of it and we don't see anything to counter that belief Then I don't know that that necessarily will have will have ceased if it's that kind of prophecy I think we get too caught up in when people say i'm a prophet Because these prophets don't read their bibles They think that to be a prophet or to prophesy you've got to tell what god is going to do in the future What the lord told me about you No, I think the greatest I think the greatest source of prophecy that we have today is that bible the greatest source of revelation Which is what prophecy really is given a revelation the utterance of god or an utterance of something Just like you can be a prophet of bail you can be a false prophet Aligned prophet or you can be a prophet of god, which means you're given a revelation of from god So what's the greatest source of revelation? We've ever seen known the man that bible who gave it to us the holy spirit Which makes sense why we call it the greatest revelation ever Known to mankind and so there's a purpose of that The purpose of prophecy especially in the early church, especially when paul is writing that we need prophecy To bring the word out, but guess what even more so even more so Um, then he says there they will be done away with if there are tongues again I think we what has happened is I think now this this the This is the bone that I would pick with the cessationist And I get why they do it. I think too often The hypercharismatics put the cessationist On their on the defense Because we're letting we have let the hypercharismatic dictate the terms This term for tongues again Always has always meant to be languages And go find your greatest scholar go find the sam storms go go find the dr. Michael browns and because they still have to concede That just because it was that mean it always will be well, that's not a good argument Again, that's an unbiblical argument. That's a un Unbiblical and i'm by unfounded basis for your statement to say that Because it's always been a language that means that it always will be Well, then he can call it something else God is smart enough to call it something other than what it is Uh to confuse us. He's not trying to confuse us. So therefore because every Every time that we've looked known to man It's been languages and the only time by the way guys since the since the church up till now The first 1900 years the only folks that were by and large speaking in these ecstatic babbling gibberish talks Were pagans So here you come later in the 1900s and want to do the exact same thing and call it god Okay All right But i think where he says tongues and the purpose of tongues these languages is for the preaching of the gospel Could it possibly be because then paul does say do not forbid tongues He didn't say when and so for that reason i'll leave him alone It's just that when you show me tongues it better look like the bible That's all and then he says uh if there is knowledge it will be done away with I don't believe now it's been done away with either So I believe and by the way again, it's not technically called The spiritual gifts. It's called the pneumatico The spiritual or the spiritual things or things of the spirit Or to make it easy to understand how the spirit moves So how he moves because again, what spiritual gift did paul have? What spiritual gift did peter have? What spiritual gift did john have? However, the spirit wanted to move they didn't have spiritual gifts. They had the spirit And however the spirit moves is however the spirit moves But you guys we never see anyone abusing the gift of love We never see that gift being being abused uh the gift of help We don't see those gifts No, no, no one wants to or the gift of the gift of giving No one abused that gift Let me see one of you ultra super Super spiritual people give your money away to i mean like you man the spirit is working you so much You give it all of your money away. When was what was the last holy ghost field person? That said the lord told him give all their money away and they did it They went around the world giving away money. I guess the spirit ain't that okay I just you don't you don't see it, right? I saw something the other day I'm not gonna say what role I participated in or not but there was an older lady walking down the street in dallas in our in our neighborhood And she was just kind of yelling out loud And I put his what's going with this lady And it started raining and it was this particular night few nights ago raining raining hard And she was walking. I'm listen when I say about a foot Taking a one foot one step per minute She was struggling had had the cane and started raining was coming out hard and so I see these these two boys are out there I didn't know I didn't I didn't know she was out there my daughter's like dad We need to do something about this and and so forth. And so my daughter wants to go get in the car And go get it. Well and these little boys matter of fact, they are our neighbors They're out there And when I say it's coming down hard I get my my wife's raincoat My wife my wife my daughter drives up to the to the to the to the boys are helping her One boy is helping her walk the other going from house to house finding out where this lady lives because she's really incoherent It when I say it's coming down. It's coming down hard And so I'm not going to it was just burning me up I said, I wouldn't say anything about it, but it was burning me up Inside to know that hey This lady out here and she needs some help and I'm gonna say in here and to come from my own home dry Call the police let them help. No, no, no and So we're out there Helping this lady and she is she's kind of resistant because she's you know who we are Uh, we're trying to get her somewhere because she she didn't need to be out of here She she had to be at least in her 70s or 80s She had to be she just took off walk She went for a walk and they got too late or too dark and the rain came and so um You don't see it and I'm I'm trying to give these boys the credit because they were the ones that were out there on Giant spot. I just went and helped joy and after them You don't see the spirit move like that a lot with with some of these people No, the spirit moves to where I'll cast demons out But I want I want to see the spirit move so much on you where you're out in the streets Because that's how you know a person really has the fullness of the spirit Because what does the spirit want to do touch every single person he comes in contact with but not you You only cast out demons in church. You don't cast out demons on the south side of town Do you you don't cast out demons in the in the in the trap house the drug house? Do you you don't cast out demons? Uh in in Planned Parenthood. I call I call I call and I'm gonna say I don't care I call the modern deliverance ministry fraudulent. Now you guys have a problem with that. Well, then finally, let's have a dialogue I'd rather see who was the other day that said that that Changing um Bedpan is is a thousand times more spiritual and speaking in tongues and I and without question And if anyone says otherwise, you're a liar You are a liar. You if you think tongues are more spiritual than changing somebody's bedpan You are you're a selfish person You can't say that Korea. I just I just did prove me wrong Greater love has no one than lay down his own life another brother You're not gonna get on the cross with that person But you you spend some time and do the things that other folks won't do It touched my heart to see and these these are teenage boys. These were teenage boys out there is raining hard So Let's see you do that But you guys don't you you guys want to stay in the in the cozy confines And you don't you don't even want to be challenged The reason why you have these conferences is for this reason right here I don't know why I had an interview with Cory because he asked me nicely. Yeah. Yeah I mean, that's a good point. He asked me nicely and I said, okay And I told him I said I'll only have an interview on these one terms We're not gonna go down the rabbit hole Yeah on this you could ask me about why we do certain things in deliverance And why does it appear then I can have a conversation But if it's gonna go in down a path of this other stuff, I'm not gonna have it Yeah, I'll talk about how we can be on the same accord and so forth But I'm not gonna talk about what I really believe And you all know I tried to push I tried to get in there. I tried to hey, let's just have this conversation Matter of fact me Uh, and and you and the other demonstrators all four or five or I have a wherever bloom to when you had um Daniel Adams and and what's the other guy greg lock and whoever else you got in there Listen, oh, let's just have a conversation Accordial conversation amongst me Not recorded. Let's just because I'm curious. I want to know where am I wrong I can't see where I'm wrong, but you could see so show me But you'd rather have a conversation but not about those things because as he calls them going down the rabbit hole Why do we have why do we have sensations conference because of that? You don't want to have a conversation That's why why do we have times where people who who who who believe or are like-minded Have these times eat together Because other folks don't want to have this conversation Are you are you asking for a link to this? What do you ask for Brian a link to to this channel or to to that conversation? I'm not sure I'm not sure but I don't care that people are charging for this conference They never said that this is church. This is an actual, you know This the gathering of the saints for the sunday service or what have you? I don't have so I don't really have a problem with that. I really don't I really don't And I I've put on different events and so I know it can be Daunting it can be challenging. There are a lot of costs involved now enough cost to where two hundred and ninety dollars Would would make everybody Whole cover everything or would it be more than enough? I don't know I don't know I don't know what what would it look better or Feel better if you have a conference and you don't charge anything and then take up a love offering at the end I guess so I guess so Didn't mean that that is wrong to do it the other way Because you do so and there are other costs involved and they don't get covered in what So I don't I don't have a problem with that Just like I don't have a problem with charismatic's charging for their conference or having a conference and then take up a love offering I don't have a problem with that either I have a problem with you critiquing this conference or anyone else critiquing the conference because Because let's just be honest again. I'm gonna go back to it again. There's a lot of um Anti macarthurism in this There there is there there just is There just is because I've seen folks attack him Not what the conference is going to be about If you can't talk about what the conference is going to be about then you really can't talk about the conference, can you? You you really can't um and so You can go back and and revisit what macarthur has said what uh Virgil walker has said uh what boys has said Uh what jessen peters has said Uh what any of those folks have said Johnson has said you can you can go back and look at what any of them have said It's you know, I have I have a disagreement with this I disagree here and here's why we can do that We just don't have that we don't have that by and large We've got a couple people that I can think of from the charismatic community and so and and guess what if they want to have a conference Or if they want to get together on youtube If you want to get together on youtube And conference that way what what's the difference having a three day conference Uh at a church and charging Versus having youtube Uh a conference on youtube. Hey, you can pay to watch this thing What's the difference They're they're really in they're they're really in so let's just I think what we ought to do is deal with the meat of Whatever the conference produces haven't seen it. So it can't really comment on what they may or may not say Yeah, gene kim goes it goes in hard on uh on john mccarthur and he and i'll be honest with him. He needs he needs to stop To he he just needs to stop to Uh, you don't want to just be going after people for the sake of going after people As I said before I don't I can't tell you that Isis out of our is saved or not saved. I don't I can't I think what he's what he's saying what he's doing is wrong and it could it be that what he's doing is wrong But he's but he loves the lord. He's just grossly in error grossly ignorant. That's possible One of my one of my best buddies from from prison this guy was a oneness penal console He didn't really know what one is penal cost was was he was apostolic didn't know what it was I'm sorry that one has been a cost. He was one is apostolic He didn't know what it was but But you know what he did love The lord and love people. How do I know because we spent time going out and sharing the gospel with people We spent time laboring for people who were just hurting it's violent and depressing in prison They just wanted he just wanted to share the gospel He didn't say you got to speak in tongues. You got to this you got to fault. No, that's not that's not what he was saying at all Does he love the lord? I as far as I can tell I believe he does Is this doctrine wrong? I believe so And he's an apostolic person Sometimes we say that this person Because again, I don't I will not paint with a broad brush that all oneness apostolic are unsafe because they're oneness Most oneness don't even know what it means to be oneness Just like most trinitarians don't know what it means to be trinitarians That's just what it is. And so what saves us Place on our faith in christ. That's what unites us brothers and sisters in the faith Uh, I think that's what we need to remember By the way, you guys, thank you so much. Thank you so much for uh, uh, the super chat Brian, would you say it's tough out here because if you question anything in charismatic group You told that you're trying to limit the movie that that's true when you about the spirit You are limiting the spirit. You're putting them in a box You can't do that. We're we are wrong Don't don't do that. You are putting God in the box. You don't have because what's going to be the charge You you're focusing on your head. You think you're too smart. You're overthinking things. You don't have the spirit Well, how do you fight that? How do you how do you fight that? That's like somebody said well, I'm prettier than you Okay, now it's an opinion because you don't know for a fact What the Holy Spirit in me is doing or in that person or that person All I got to judge you off of is your is your doctrine your word But can we be honest that tends to come up now? I don't think we should also do the other thing Our knee jerk response is to go and to Immediately because a person is charismatic in a castle cast to the side and say yeah, you're not you're not saying you're the devil No, we we shouldn't do that We shouldn't do that. Um However If your gospel if your doctrine is different and just because you say Jesus does not make that make that you are in the camp Just because you say Jesus well, he gave the gospel. He said Jesus. He spoke Jesus. Remember we are the people that will think just because a person Rambles and rambles and rambles and brings up says the word god that The greatest sermon ever never mentioned Jesus Never mentioned what needs how a person gets saved or how he got saved But it's the it's the because we have limited even ourselves because we want nice, philly warm things And we got a problem ladies and gentlemen the word of God is not at the forefront of churches anymore It's sad It's a sad day in the american churches where the gospel is taking the backseat the scriptures has taken the backseat the feelings Whether you'd be charismatic or non charismatic you just want a good story I'll tell you a good story Come tell you a good story I want to tell you all a good story Are you ready? Here is the good story. I'm gonna give you It won't even be a lot of words to it It won't even be a lot of work matter of fact the story that I'm gonna give you is just the ending You're ready. Here's a great the greatest story the greatest Warm feeling touchy-filly the most emotional the most loving story that you could ever get You're ready for it He got up That's it. He got up that that's the story He got up Can you can you can you ride with that with that story? Not a lot said Just that he got up. What got up for what because I'm no good I'm rotting and I deserve to die He got up because I couldn't die on my own and if I died on my own I couldn't get up I will I died with him in him and will be raised with him He got up for my benefit to let everyone know that he defeated the enemy on my behalf because I'm no good I'm rotting on my best day. I'm worse than all y'all times 10 He he got up for me That's the story that that's that's all that matters And we we we pretend We pretend we we lie we say If he never does another thing for me again, then he's done enough How many of y'all heard that if he's never done another if he never does another thing for me, he's done enough right He but he's done enough matter of fact as a gospel song he's done enough Nine times out of 10 we're lying because as soon as the song goes off as soon as we stop saying that lord, could you do this for me? Got to be more careful right soon as soon as we stop saying that We look at the bank account Lord have mercy i'm down to my last five about no i'm five dollars overdrawn lord Say it now Say it now if our whole goal uh-oh Everything's kind of pausing on me. I don't know what's happening here. I've got a I've got a good connection. Let me fix something here Let me fix something right here dog going here. I was ready ready for the uh Okay, I think i'm good. I think i'm good now Let's see. All right. I'm good. We're we're back everything pause for a second I had to fix it praise god That was the devil is alive. We're good now There we go. All right Yeah, I was cooking uh alton I was cooking. Listen. I was I was this close To get me one of those charismatic homes I was gonna start hooping Doggo, you know, it's not your connection. I don't know what happened I don't I don't know what happened. It just spiked it and went there. I don't know what the deal is I don't know what the deal is. I and and maybe I need to go get me a 17 year old or 16 year old that knows about the internet stuff because What is I'm using the other internet connection. I haven't I haven't moved it back over. That's what it is That's what it is. But let me just say this again in closing I don't have a problem with my charismatic brothers I don't have a problem my cessations brothers. I don't have them. Do you know who I have a problem with? Let me let me tell you I have a problem with I have a problem with christians who are one unbiblical and two unwilling I have a problem with christians who are one unbiblical two unwilling. What what in the world do you mean? Well, they're unbiblical in the sense that you can come up with something on your own It's about feelings about what it really is. It's about you an unbiblical christian is a Selfish christian. It's a person who needs to have things for their own desire. They have to feel a certain way That's why they search for certain things But then the unwilling christian is who because god has done many things for them They're not willing to do anything for anybody else. You're not even willing to share the gospel Doesn't take a whole lot. It really doesn't if they get mad at you for sharing the gospel. So what? So I like that too rashan main character syndrome. I like can I can I steal that? I want to steal that and tell everybody I made it up myself main characters. I like that Main character syndrome we do we want to be the main character We want to be the we want to be the pre-girl We want to be the handsome guy. We want to be the we want to be the strong guy We want to be the smart person. We want to be the I just want to be the person that gets in and however he uses me However, I don't think we mean that and now we can demonstrate this by when we go through things And he hasn't shown up the way we wanted to show up And you think your tongues are going to cost him to do things for you Let me go on speaking tongues that way. I get I he can he can send me a blessing Let me go ahead and and just fall out or go to a church and we go to shouting Let me go hear somebody tell me that that uh, I am the head not the tail I'm blessed coming in and blessed when I go Let me let me let me go to a church that tells me that nothing formed me against me will ever will ever uh, uh Accomplish what it's going to do. I just I just butchered that text, didn't I nothing formed against me shall ever prosper Let me go to that church Let me go to the church where he tells me where he he he knows the plans that he has for me plans for me to uh succeed Plans for me to prosper Beloved, I wish above all things that you prosper and be in health either So let me go to that church and emphasize that let me go to church It tells me that I can call all things that are not as what they were even though talking about God I want you to tell me it's about me. Let me go to the church that tickles my ear That's the problem that a lot of people have and they push back But I I just said you know what I'm gonna hold you to the scriptures And if I do that you do the same for me I think we'll be okay and do so while we're sharing the gospel of the folks because guys. Let me just give you newsflash Turn on fox news turn on CNN turn on NBC ABC CBS Walk out walk out the door Go to the grocery store go to Walmart go to your nearest waffle house go to the mall You'll see how bad the world is and it's getting worse I think it's gonna get better fine fine work hard to get it better But make sure just in case you're wrong that you're leading people off this planet To another world where the Lord is in charge And we don't have to sit and worry about who have who's having a conference Who's doing this We have to worry about someone being offended because someone attacked their doctrine If you're doc if you're so offended by someone attacking your doctrine within you It may not be your doctrine. It might just be you you might not have a weak doctrine You might just have a weak heart because you can't stomach the fight. We need folks that we want to fight Amen before I go again. Thank you guys for the super chat super sticker guys. I love you so much and remember This evening this afternoon We're gonna go on early. So for those folks who don't love me as much You can come and tell me core. I think I like you but but but I think you're wrong on this Or you have a question We this is the the live stream invite if you want to come on board and have a conversation We're gonna limit the time a little bit so we don't go too long But if you have a question a concern or disagreement then this evening is a time to do so in the meantime guys Be blessed and I will see you later