 Welcome back to the breakfast and plus TV Africa. We'll head straight to our second conversation Well, we look at the killings in Zamfara state now 200 peasants have been killed and 10,000 displayed following the attack by armed bandits in Zamfara state And that's according to reports saying that this is due to the military air raid You know attacking their hideouts as of last week. We do have the commissioner for information Zamfara state Ibrahim dosar or who would be telling us exactly what the situation is in Zamfara right now And what the government is doing as regards, you know, the killings of this innocent and defenseless people in Zamfara state All things being equal would also be joined by a security expert. Yeah, we'll get so good morning Ibrahim dosar is good to have you join us this morning on the breakfast Good morning. It's nice having me All right, then let's quickly share your thoughts. Can you You know, tell us what the things I mean the situation of things are in Zamfara right now and First of all, that's on the one hand and secondly The death of the 200 peasants. How does that make you feel? 200 peasants, you said? Yes No That figure is not for us. So what is the figure now? the figure that was assessed and compiled by both the community leaders and security experts In total is 58 in the two local government areas in one of the local government with his book room a village is attacked and That is six people were killed there and in anchor local government seven villages were attacked four of them burnt and 22 people were lost in the attack and Is that why he the governor visited the community and Ordered for the repair of the houses that were burnt and Relief materials sorted of rise Miller's and may Including Rappers and the other Materials like blanket and mattresses were also delivered for those who are displaced Well, is that just how are the newspapers a few days ago more than one of them, you know carried Different figures, you know state in a hundred and forty three bodies had been found on hundred and forty seven bodies had been found Are you saying that those reports are false? I Come again I'm saying the news reported about, you know hundred and forty seven hundred and forty three bodies had been found Or recovered after what happened in in the anchor in Zamfara state. Are you saying that those reports are false? The audio Yeah, I can't hear you. Can you hear me right now? Okay All right, I'm saying I'm rather my asking are you saying that the reports that a hundred and forty seven bodies were recovered? Are you saying that those reports are false? Yeah Okay, so so now let's talk about, you know according to your figures 58 Share with us what the current situation of security is like in Zamfara state If the government has agreed that 58 lives were lost What's the situation like currently? You see in the first place the government Express is concerned that the remorse over the killing of such number of people and Condole with the families of those who lost their lives As well as here also encourage the agency from the state to work up in the shoring Give protection to life and property of the people and his excellency was there to encourage the military in Present operations in which the bandits are being attacked In the English and which is the reason why they are running Where they will hide and take heaven for them and in fact the government Assured the people that the operation will continue on and on until when the bandits are neutralized Who are sent out of the state? We said this are how long did this operation last The operation will continue on till when Not the operation of I'm talking about the attack that led to the loss of according to you now 58 people How long did this last how long was this going on? Which one the attack by the bandits that led to the death of 58 people according to your figures How long did it take? I'm asking how long was this attack that led to the loss of 58 lives It was done within a day So you're saying that in Zamfara state for a whole day bandits went on killing Residents of Zamfara state for a whole day and There was no response from security agents in Zamfara state. No, that is not correct Immediately the report was given that bandits are attacking the village there was an aircraft around that area To ensure that the bandits are neutralized for this part from there and the military as well as police and other Outfits who are there to fight the bandits. So there is No, I don't know that there was no response I'm asking questions based on what you said you said this happened in a day So, yeah Yeah, so what I'm asking is my wife. Yeah, Mr. Dosa apologies. What I'm asking is so it took a whole day Before there was that response from security agents. Are you saying that this happened? Okay Okay Immediately we got the information there was the response from the security agencies Officially the military and the aircraft was there and That issue was tackled by the military Okay, so Ibrahim Dosa, I'd like also to find out, you know, the state of things as regards, you know Suspension of you know, the network. It was a strategy that was put out by the government To, you know, have a handle on the bandits So what is it like has that been suspended because it feels like that hasn't been very effective and Can you also tell us if there's been any arrest that has been made following these attacks? Yeah, you see the military and the police I want it. They are making a lot of arrest Especially with the bandit and they are informant So you're saying that this bandit have been arrested a few of them Okay, so can you also tell us what the state of things are with, you know, suspension of network Because you know some persons have a question, you know the Was he called again because if you look at the spate at which you had 200 persons being killed like you mentioned It took a day and my colleague has been asking to understand How 200 persons will be killed without a call for help? Some people are already thinking that due to the suspension of the, you know network It probably would have made it impossible for people to cry out and call out for help And so that's what we're asking if this, you know method that has been put out by the government has been very effective If that was suspended prior to this time and what's really going on as regards You know protection of the lives of the people in Zamfara state I told you we have security plans which cannot be displaced over media That has never been done anywhere in the world where security plans and arrangements have been passed on media Well, Mr. Dosa, you know, there have been security plans in the past In what ways can you assure the citizens of Zamfara that they will not continue to suffer death by their dozens in the hands of bandits? Well, it's not only in Zamfara that people are being I understand that but we're currently speaking There are many states in Nigeria, in fact all over Nigeria we have a series of insecurity So the Zamfara state government is doing all it could to ensure the protection of lives and property of each people Just like any other government Yeah, but but but this is where I have a challenge, Mr. Dosa Every state has its own peculiarity in terms of insecurity Okay, and I agree with that But once again, this is where I have a challenge um From your statements, you said that the attacks happened in a day Maybe not throughout the whole day Maybe less but reports, of course say otherwise um But I've been trying to find out how long it took before there was a distress call put out and then response from security agencies and like you've said An airplane flew over the area And there were security agents sent there before, you know, um, you know, um the bandits fled, I guess So does that in any way assure residents of Zamfara? That if for any reason they are attacked by bandits tomorrow They wouldn't lose another 58 lives before there's a response from the security agents You see, Zamfara State government is doing everything possible to ensure the protection of lives and property of the people as the primary assignment And since the reception of this administration, it has been making all frontage efforts to ensure that lives and property of the people are protected so, um I can assure the people of Zamfara State that in the exact plan C, Governor Mouto Alam Razi is doing everything possible to ensure that their lives and property are being protected all right, um Mr. Adoussara What's the relationship with the, you know, the Nigerian army and can you share with us, you know, what the Zamfara State government's You know relationship is with the army Is there also civilian JTF on ground in Zamfara State? Um, which security agencies are currently on ground? in the state and ensuring security of lives and property Come again I'm asking with, you know, I'm asking if you can share with us your commissioner for information um, the relationship that the night the Zamfara State government has with the Nigerian army members of the armed forces and which other security agencies are currently on ground to ensure that there is no repeat of such a disaster in Zamfara State Yes, there is a couple of relations between the army and the Zamfara State government and the federal government also helping to ensure that all its wealth in terms of the current operation are being undertaken by the military in Zamfara State and the government is giving them all the necessary and cooperation they are looking for to ensure that they succeed in dislodging the army Would you in any way agree that the current government in Zamfara State Yes, I understand that it's an Nigerian problem with regard to insecurity But would you agree that the current government in Zamfara State has not done well enough to protect lives and property of its citizens? I don't agree with you because the government has been doing everything adequately enough to ensure the protection of lives and property I want to take you a little back to the history within the 100 years of this administration it stopped the killing the rustling and any other form of criminality in the state In fact, it took the state one year in total peace without anybody being killed without any cow being rustled and people who are doing their thing visitors who are coming to Zamfara unlike before the coming of the administration and also a government participated in ensuring that there is total peace in the state until when complex entrepreneurs stepped in to ensure that that peace being enjoyed sabotaged by the complex entrepreneurs who include people who supply the bandits with their essential needs including weapons including alcohol including foodstuffs and other necessities we bandaged once in the forest so that was how that arrangement was sabotaged and as soon as the bandit came back with their attacks, his excellence, he gave them ultimatum to embrace the peace otherwise you would fight them in total and it reached a place where the government decided to strike introducing the Zamfara model of state of emergency closing down the network and the other measures taken to ensure that the bandits fought seriously that had given interest to the military to carry out their work attacking the bandit and also forcing the bandits to be moving out of the enclave and also stop the attack and the killing of people who are in the period and the now the governor went to the federal government to seek the consent to have arrangement with the military public where the bandits are now blocked and all people supplying them with the weapons are blocked in fact some of the kins that supply the bandits with the weapons from the military public were arrested and handed over to the Nigerian security so you can see how the Zamfara state government under this administration has been working to ensure that the rights and property of the people are protected well um Mr. Dosar thank you very much for speaking with us this morning thanks for joining us it's nice to meet you we hope to speak with you again soon but on a totally different matter have a great day thank you well that's the much that we can take at this point in time it's been a very intense conversation and we hope that you enjoyed every part of the conversation the last two hours we will definitely come through tomorrow with the breakfast and this is what we call it a wrap now and if you missed out on any part of the conversation it's all right to follow us on facebook and instagram what plus tv africa and of course to subscribe to a youtube channel is it plus tv africa lifestyle i am messi bobo