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I remember the first time that um, I kind of figured this out We've talked we on the show when when we piece together the process foods You know tip right telling clients to stop eating processed foods And I wish I remember like if it was something that I kind of like did myself first and then I was like, oh, wow I want this worse with clients But I remember and your baked potato thing that you always talk about like try eating like four or five baked potatoes with Nothing on it and it's like impossible, you know, but yet you could crush a bag of potato chips Proteins like it's similar anyway If you're getting that I think that's that's the the one caveat to that what you're saying is that if it's Whole foods that you're getting that protein because you could probably get fat off of eating processed foods that are full of protein Or there's protein Snickers bars now, right? I mean, what are we talking about? Yeah? Well, so there's two things to this one is what you're saying Protein is extremely satiating. It's really hard to just ovary a lot of protein because it just you hit a wall You don't want any more This is what if you ever talked to anybody who's ever done a carnivore diet, they'll tell you like I just I can't eat anymore That's the biggest issue is like really trying to be able to eat enough calories. It's it's really difficult. You get so full and It's just like it's just too much to worry. I'm not even hungry after well Do you guys remember calories when we all went on the ketogenic diet way early on so before we had I think it was before we even had Dom on the show and we were it was just getting kind of popular and we did a High-protein version and we and then we all decided we'd run it and we do it And I would just happen to be in the middle of like still I think just wrapping up competing even we're trying to bulk Yeah, I was I was in a bulk and I was like, okay Well, let's just try and do this and I remember I just how hard it was and that's kind of what made me kind of Throwing the towel was dude. I just I'm not able to eat 5,000 calories of just proteins and fats like you fill up so fast So there's two parts to this so first off I do want to be clear if you eat more calories and you burn you will gain body that science, right? That's science, but here's why I made that statement about protein one is what we just talked about It's incredibly satiating so it's hard to over eat protein in comparison to carbohydrates and fats But number especially carbohydrates, but number two they've done studies Where they've bumped people's calories through carbohydrates fats or just proteins and at the end of these studies What they found is that the the increase in calories it came from proteins resulted in Less fat gain and some muscle gain. That's even if Cal or all things equal. Yeah, that's interesting Yeah, now now here's what the speculation the speculation is one Protein has this incredible thermic effect. So eating more protein means your body tends to burn more calories So the you know the calories in versus calories out like that rule of thermodynamics. It still stands, right? It's a it's a rule of physics, but eating a lot of protein tends to change the calories outside of the formula eating more of it tends to make your metabolism burn more calories And then the second part is we all know that and again, this is clear in studies as well Eating a higher protein diet tends to lead to more muscle gain and what does more muscle do it burns more calories so if you're eating a lot more protein and Versus other the other macronutrients and your calories are high You're less likely to gain body fat in comparison to the others and or it's gonna be hard to eat a lot more When it's just protein now, there's still information out there That's like sort of deterring people from this in terms of like the m-tor and like can't cancer Sort of being a scare with that. Yeah, so so m-tor is a mammalian target rep amyacin I think I'm saying that right and this because I remember these things. Yeah, it's just million Listen, I don't remember a lot of things. It's funny. It's like I'll be with my family and they'll ask me certain questions I'll be like I have no idea and I remember something or we'll have a meeting in 30 minutes later He forgets what he's supposed to do afterwards completely. So and it's a skill. That's good for podcasting. So thank you god for this Let me find this perfect career. Yeah, anyway, so this particular You know m-tor signals muscle growth, but it drives the growth of a lot of things If you spike m-tor when you have cancer, you'll probably accelerate the growth of cancer So people will say things like high protein diets will increase your risk of cancer not true By the way, carbohydrates also feed cancers and even fats in some cases, although not as often can feed some cancer so there's a difference between a Environment where cancer is present and in a healthy environment in a healthy environment And by the way, if you have cancer a lot of things change There's a lot of things that you need to change and modify in some cases They'll put you on hormone blocking drugs and other things which which normally would be a bad thing So that's the thing to consider but when you're healthy in the studies with healthy people high protein diets Are not only perfectly healthy in fact a study just came out showing that in older populations Higher protein diets are connected to lower causes of all to lower risks Excuse me of all-cause mortality again probably because higher protein diets result in more strength gains or at least strength Preservation and we know now how strongly connected Strength is to all-cause mortality as you age the stronger you are when you're older the less likely you are to die from You know from all different causes. Well, this is where that that tip comes from too Or we tell people to eat protein first so you sit down and you get your plate instead of filling up on the bread Or the chips just eat the protein protein and fats first and then vegetables and then move to like your starchy carbs and many times just by telling somebody the order that they eat like that Will limit the amount of carbohydrates and calories that they consume and it's been like one of those tips that and I just It's a it's a psychological thing too because you're not telling the client You can't have the carbs or you can't have the chips or you can't have the bread It's just hey go eat your protein and fats and veggies first and then go ahead and enjoy that and many times What ends up happening by time you get to those you're just full Yeah, I think there's also this myth that and there's some truth to this that Because humans evolved for for the vast majority of human history where food was scarce That we evolved to just eat when food is in front of us and we'll just eat ourselves to death There's a little bit of truth to that but in reality But the truth is there's a lot of falseness in that in the sense that our bodies even back then had safeguards Against Over-eating because it would have killed you back then just like it does today Maybe not obesity that would have been much more difficult to to accomplish But like over-eating and damaging your your digestive system or causing yourself to feel sick So, you know, we do this hunt we kill this animal or we come across this, you know naturally growing Tree with fruit on it Even it was still detrimental for us to just eat until we made ourselves sick even back then so we have these natural safeguards and It's satiety and we hit it but the way we get around it now is we Take different flavors and foods and combine them in ways usually engineer them in ways To make you want to make you eat even more and more to kind of get past that barrier because those barriers that we have evolved with whole natural foods and Evolved with where sugar was quite rare I mean tell me where you would find sugar in nature not with like modern agriculture No, that's not if you're is fruit. Yeah fruit, but barely. Yeah, like you might find some berries Yeah, they're bitter for the most part. Yeah, or an apple and apples in apples back then were like full of seeds and lots of I remember I've never seen an article that like compared like our fruit today versus fruit just like a hundred years ago Did you know that dramatically different you can look at old paintings from the Renaissance? Wait bananas and stuff. Yeah, and they're sliced open even look the same. No, bananas are full of seeds Apples are very little flesh You know fruit was way less packed with sugar. That's just how occurred nature now We we bred them to make them like super delicious And so do you not think that after a big hunt back in the days that you you wouldn't gorge out on the food? Or you just couldn't because it's all meat that you were consuming and so because that it it wasn't super palatable It would hijack those systems. I think you definitely would eat until you were satisfied You definitely would do that that would be silly if you don't eat for a week And then finally you get a kill Everybody is eating as much as they possibly can probably to until they are almost feel sick Yes, but the those barriers that satiety signal that palette fatigue kicked in so you'd eat me like man I can't eat anymore now what you what you and this is from looking at studies of modern hunter-gatherers the foods that are Prioritized or the parts of the animal that are prioritized tend to be the organs and the fatty parts So we would eat those first obviously the most nutrient dense like Animal liver is so packed full of nutrients. It's like the nature's multivitamin So we eat that first eat the fatty parts for and then all the lean tissue was leaf was left You know for later on or if it went bad it went bad. I mean in fact There's something called I think I talked about this once in a podcast I think it's called rabbit starvation or I think that might be the term right This is where trappers trappers up in Alaska, right? Yeah, or even in the West You know I'm fatty enough. Yeah, they would catch lots of rabbits and they would still starve You see that on that that alone show. Oh, yeah You've seen that you see I remember like one of the seasons the guy got like a buffalo or something like a really lean animal No, it was an L moose. Yeah, and the fact got stolen. Yeah, it wasn't an elk It was like either a moose or like a buffalo. Yeah, it was one of those that are like really lean meats And you would think that that's enough meat for I meant it's enough technically meat for someone to live off of for a year And it still wasn't enough for him because I he ended up I remember like the Wolverines got his The fat the fatter the fat in the liver and so all he had was this lean meat and then he was like starving Yeah I remember that he literally he took all the fats and he separated them and put him in this like He thought like animals wouldn't get to it and the freaking Wolverine got to it stole it all and the only had left was lean meat How great house frustrating that be you're gonna starve to death that you have all this meat Yeah, and it's right there in front of you. It just makes me think I mean how it's just so interesting Where we are now where we can select like Vegetable-based meats or we can we can engineer these kind of meats that aren't even from animals How do you even get satiated from that? Yeah, how do you even get that signal? It's like to me It's interesting like is it mainly from nuts and from beans and like that's like for like a vegan like that's gotta be Really difficult to ever feel like you're fully satisfied seeing the the ingredient list on the beyond meat Doug maybe shouldn't pull what's all like vegetable oils and there's like 50 ingredients. Yeah. No, it's crazy It's like super how long do you think you need to be like? Monk-like before you become in tune naturally to those systems. They're there still right like and I feel like we talk about all The time about trying to become aware of those natural signs that your body's trying to tell you No, don't eat this or you're full already like, you know How long do you think it's for somebody who has like no connection at all to them and Distracted all the time like how long would they have to be like a monk like Reconnected to I think it's a constant practice dude because what is because you're you're you're taking insults from the the opposite side Right the TV the phone the you know stress work like and then you've got all this incredible food all around you and it's Super tasty and expen inexpensive and really easy to get I think it's a constant practice This is is there is there stuff to support like people who live like in rural areas versus in like cities That would are technically used to be not anymore It used to be that way because rural areas didn't have access But now our markets are so damn effective that people are obese everywhere In fact in certain cities people are less obese because the cities were designed before cars were invented So people walk around ever. Yeah, so it's like doesn't matter dude where you're at now You're gonna be you're you've got this food accessible and you're gonna and it's it's gonna be a problem It is a problem. So yeah, let me let's look at this ingredient list Doug when he pulls it up What it what is that show here? Let's see water pea protein Expeller press canola oil coconut oil rice protein natural flavors, which is I don't know how many other things cocoa butter mean mung bean protein Methyl cellulose potato starch apple extract pomegranate extract salt potassium chloride vinegar lemon juice concentrate sunflower less Beet juice extract the beet juice by the way is to make it look bloody. Yeah Isn't that funny? Yes. I'm a fan of this argument though, by the way That's what I know you're bringing it up to make a point like if you look you flip me around It's just me but like when you just break you say all those things for the most part most those things are in a lot of It's the cost. It's the fact that there's all the combination. Oh, I get it. I get it, you know But I just I think it's a weak argument. It's a weak argument. Yeah, I agree I know because if you because I guarantee if you and I were to extract everything that's in there You'd be like, oh, yeah, I eat that and other things or I've had that like they're not it's not that Horrific, you know, it's not as bad as if I turn around my rock star and look at what's in the back of that You know, that's probably a lot worse for me than than this thing is is totally and that's kind of like the go-to Argument that everybody leans on is like look at this. There's 70 things in here No, yes, it's not it doesn't really compare to actual meat. I think is the point Well, it's not and that that to me that's a better argument is the how Nutrient dense meat is and I think that would be a better way to explain is look look at all the health benefits You get get from eating real meat and show that versus okay You can put all these things in here to try and emulate this But look at the the value of this versus to me That's a better argument than the liquids in it like scared tactic to how much stuff, you know, it's funny It's the the demise of how we value meat really started happening once we started separating ourselves from The process of raising and killing meat as soon as we separated that you had these huge, you know Slaughter factories with animals being you know run through and treat a certain way and pump full hormones or whatever because we're not connected to it And then people never kill an animal themselves So they have no respect for it and they go to the grocery store and they just see the meat in the plastic And then because they have no respect They don't understand the value and so like I'm not going to eat meat anymore And a lot of people run into problems with that because you have to be more You can definitely be vegan and be healthy for sure You just have to be much more planned and it also wouldn't be possible without modern grocery stores and modern markets They're just so much variety now You can get all the nutrients you need whereas, you know, a thousand years ago You would starve you would starve if you didn't eat any meat. So it's uh, you know, it's really interesting Well, why we're on the food topic. Did you guys see the uh 850 pound pot brownie that was made? Dude, you know what? 20,000 milligrams of t.h.c. 850 pounds. Yeah, I think the company I think medimar or something like that I think it's the name of the company they claim to have made the largest pot brownie in the world at 850 I have no idea So you could say how many people you're gonna fight over to try from a marketing standpoint I mean here we are talking about it You know I'm saying I'm not I can't be the first person to bring it up You know I read it in some other big article or whatever like that So you can invite a thousand people over and everybody gets super smashed super I mean probably I mean really probably just a smart strategy to get attention because everyone's get the wow factor of looking at it and being like Oh my god, like imagine how hot you how set by the way How sad is this that there's people that literally they just made this pot brownie that's massive There's no way to actually put all that pot in there. Yeah, that's a lot of money fitting that easily dude No, oh, yes, you can't bro. I've seen a thousand milligrams in a cookie No, I know I'm saying that they didn't do that because I would have cost them too much money Like they could yeah, that would be really expensive to do that right that produce that I remember or it'd be wasteful to do that Right, you can use it to produce a bunch of yeah, but it's publicity stuff. Yes. It's that but you know it's sad about this They did this get all kinds of news. There's still people in federal prison for for marijuana loss Is it still I thought we started letting a lot of that out. No no no still people in there serving their terms So there's people who got caught in the in the 90s Trafficking a bunch of you know cannabis and I mean In the 90s if you got caught with 20,000 milligrams worth of weed like thc You're going to jail for like decades So imagine you're sitting in jail right now and you're like on you're like on 15 years and you read this damn article I would be so mad dude. This has been a pop And I still want to get in your face I had this conversation with mike earlier because he he's he's uh, Matthews. No no our friend mike And we gave mike. Yeah, and we gave I gave him um some hemp oil and we were talking about cannabinoids and I'm like, man, you know that they they made they literally made that elite like like schedule one specifically to target the counterculture It was a hundred percent a political move To be able to throw protesters in jail because they had to figure out a way to do it Yeah, so like their number one drug is weed. Let's make that the you know the the schedule one or whatever And by the way, there was a study. I haven't talked about this a long time. I remembered it while I was talking to him Do you know that one of the first studies that showed cannabinoids And their anti-cancer effects was a government studied Excuse me government funded study in 1974 They did a study trying to connect Smoking marijuana to lung cancer and halfway through They saw that there was a small anti-cancer very small anti-cancer effect and they they stopped the study and classified it And it only got released later because of the freedom of information act I think yeah when people like wait a minute. Why'd you guys stop this study? Oh, I know why Just showed not convenient information. I know isn't that isn't that crazy? Speaking of crazy stuff. Yeah, I'm not telling you guys is something that's super annoying. So obviously inflation is exploding I think we hit a new record right seven percent highest in 40 years. Yeah, so we're crushing with that right now You know, it's funny though Is the the news articles coming out around it are cracking me up, dude like the spin the spin on like the positive part So, okay now, let's let's play the you know a prediction game that we always play here There I believe there is a like a five trillion dollar bill on the table right now Now this new I think we can say it's not transitory anymore or is that because it's been hanging around Yeah, it's been hanging around five plus and climbing right so I think it's no longer transitory So based off of that Does does this does this bill get killed or do they does congress still push it through and we still now We print out five trillion dollars. What's your I think I think at the least at the best They're gonna pass something that's trillions of dollars. Maybe it's not the five trillion or whatever But they'll pass. So is that your prediction is that like, you know, half of it will get passed Yeah, some something in the trillions. Why would they why would they stop it? I mean at this point because it's getting pretty money Yeah, but I mean part of their theory on printing money before was that this was going to be transitory And we would return back to normalcy and the fact that it's it's not and it's continuing to rise Printing more money is only going to make it accelerate. Yeah, but you're speaking. Yeah, I know But that's logical. I guess I guess my point is like they've been successfully Able to keep hitting that button Well, it's kind of like their their hand has been caught in the cookie jar now And I feel like it's like are you really still going to try and reach in there and grab another one Even though I think so, you know, dude everything I've seen so far is keep throttling is as fast and is You know, because we can I'm gonna come out. I'm totally negative. Did like everything out there is just In my favor, it's all negative. Just me full pessimists is gonna say they're gonna Nobody's They're gonna go they're gonna probably lobby gets a little bit. It'll be around. No, there's no accountability No, let me be a little more accountability Let me be a little bit more specific before you go at them because you're gonna go positive So I'm gonna go be a little more specific. Here's the two options that they have Do huge spending bills or Race taxes and interest rates. Which one is going to be providing more pain when you and I just watching And we heard somebody wants to do that What was it? We were watching was it when you were in the hotel room when when he said like Oh, I'm gonna do this and we won't have to pay any more taxes. I was Biden Oh, what did he say though? Oh, Biden was I fell out of it. We're gonna provide this we're gonna provide that We're not gonna raise a single dollar of taxes and it's not gonna cost us any money That's what it was We found a money treat Anyway, so Okay, either raise interest rates increase taxes or inflate Okay, which one was more likely to get blamed on politicians if they go through with the pain right the interest rates and taxes Which one are they gonna pass the buck on inflation? In fact, the propaganda already started You know what they're doing right now and I'm seeing articles On this and I'm seeing political pundits say this bullshit, too They're blaming the rise in prices on companies price gouging. I swear to god. This is what they're saying They're saying the reason why bank companies are taking advantage Yes, the reason why baking is 50 percent more expensive is because baking companies are like Hey, we could totally raise prices and people will pay more. That's not how it works If I'm in a competitive market and I have a product I wish my consumer my my competitors had to raise their prices now. I'm gonna crush them. It doesn't work that way It's not price gouging. Sorry. These prices are reflecting what's going on But they're already starting the propaganda machine and inflation Is their favorite way to tax people without people realizing because it's easy to pass the buck All right, go positive Well, I mean, I got nothing I'm gonna be the the optimist of the group and I want to believe that they're they're gonna shut it down So I I'm gonna say they're not gonna pass it. So at all like at all zero Yeah, I think I think that we have to at least for now. I mean, I think that it's it's so out of control I think you can't pitch the transitory Thing anymore that it's it's here. It's here to stay In fact, it's probably inevitable. It's going to get worse And so by printing any more money, it's only going to Make that situation 10 times worse. So I think that so I'm gonna be your political opponent right now So you said that which is true and honest and logical Now I'm gonna be not good politics now. I'm gonna crush you in politics Everybody's just gonna blame somebody else and keep passing the buck. I'm gonna say like this every time Adam you don't want to you don't want to build new bridges and create new jobs And fix our just our crumbling infrastructure You want to cancel this bill when Americans need work the most and people need the most help. Yeah, you lose. I win I mean, that's gonna be that's gonna be the pitch potential You know, you don't think that a lot of people are kind of I mean you you brought it up the other day about his approval Writing right now. So most people are pretty upset. I think most people see the writing on the wall now Don't you think or no? I think they do but they don't they don't understand people don't understand inflation They don't understand What's happening? They see that this new bill's gonna get passed. We're gonna create jobs with it. By the way Okay, government doesn't create jobs they take money from producers And they spend it on stuff that they think is valuable Through the process you automatically lose wealth because there's a massive bureaucracy that administers it And you also have to pay off the special interest groups. I don't talk about that Yeah, and then and then who knows if what I'm building is gonna have Market viability because there's no pressures on it So I'm gonna build it and then who knows and we'll see what happens. So it's really I mean literally I could be like I'm gonna create a thousand jobs and here's your job You're gonna dig a hole and fill it back up and we're gonna pay you and how we're gonna pay you We're gonna just print money or I'm gonna tax these people speaking of jobs I heard that I heard that it's it's pointless to even pay attention to unemployment, right And the reason being this was very interesting. I've never heard this before That as as tech not like for example 50 years ago or 50 60 years ago The skills that you needed to be in the workforce Is so different than now that that keeps leveling up while We're not getting more educated now Maybe as a whole like we are but there's a larger percent the percentage of people that are Uneducated are growing at a faster rate and the jobs are getting further out of reach And so it's inevitable that that number is always going to continue to get worse I thought that was really interesting. I never heard anyone make that point before and it makes a lot of sense What do you think we think about our parents parents like the the jobs you do a lot of them were like Labor like you know I'm saying that the skills required to learn how to do it You could get higher not having tiktok influencing isn't paying off Yes, that a real career What the fuck well, I don't know according to Um unemployment numbers they're it's pretty low But one thing they don't tell you is how many people stop looking because those people Are off that so if you say that you're not looking for a job, right even though you're an employee They don't count that so I don't know that's another reason why I hear it's not very important. It's like We're not tracking that which that's just as important too, right? Yeah, I have I don't know I have but isn't that interesting when you think about that You know I was like wow It is kind of inevitable that's going to continue to get worse than like if if we are if we're not getting Smarter as a whole and the jobs are you know being replaced with AI And it's requiring you to be smarter that you either have to be able to run a I have more skills Yeah more skills than what just 50 60 years ago and it is when you think about jobs what they look like Well, wasn't it isn't it just like when um google like announced they're having like more of that Uh in-house education where you certificates you could just go direct You know right out of high school. I think the market will answer that I think that's that's the move. It's really just getting more skilled within that specific trade I do too. I think like in tech especially let's say you get a four-year degree in tech like at the speed at which it's advancing At the end of your degree what you learn the first two years might even become kind of obsolete So companies like google and apple and others Are creating their own education systems and then their six month certificate is equivalent to a four-year degree Not just for them. There's other companies that are accepting these certificates as well So I think it's going to keep doing that. Um as far as education is concerned We are more educated than we were 50 years ago generally speaking more people generally speaking But we're the the the the skills required for jobs is outpacing that Well, you know what happens is the the high the jobs that are at such high demand require high skill For example, I read this article. I think I sent it to you on uh, like computer engineers Do you know the difference between a the productivity of what they would consider a superstar computer engineer and your average, uh, engineer No, it's crazy. I think you said this. Yeah, so so one of the founders of netflix It wasn't the gentleman that we interviewed it was one of the other ones But he said that they had a they had a um a meeting where they had to decide How many computer engineers or engineers or coders are we going to hire to create this new? You know product this new service And he says he he had a budget to hire. I think it was eight engineers But he remembered learning about these what are called superstar engineers that are a hyper productive and really good And so rather than paying eight engineers a you know engineer, you know average salary He hired one who was a superstar and paid him a fat salary And it worked he said because of the the amount of productivity that these high level engineers can produce One of them is equivalent to like 20 Engineers. Oh, yeah, that's just efficiency, which is really crazy. So there's a huge discrepancy between These superstar, you know coders and engineers and then your your typical one It's just like that guy that's on a soilant and just never leaves his fucking computer Just all day dude speaking of uh tech Did you guys read the article on these new eye drops that just got approved by the FDA eye drops Oh and tech no, okay tech dollar. It's really crazy. So they created eye drops That can eliminate the use of reading glasses What yeah, so you use these eye drops So it's a temporary it must be like a film that gives you like a no no no no So what it and it lasts for like I think it's like 12 hours or 10 hours So you put these eye drops in so the problem with people reading When they when they start to get older and they have trouble reading things up close is the muscles of the Eye the ones that constrict the pupil start to become less Flexible and you start to lose that ability So you might have good vision far away, but then you look up close your eye can't adjust In you know reduce light or I don't know what happens if your pupils grow or just listening intently, right? Yeah, I'm trying to figure this out Yeah, so like squeezing my eyes But the people on the podcast don't ever get the season but would Justin's like this all the time whenever he's thinking hard Yeah, when it's his turn to look at the notes, he's like Do you have the worst eyes out of all of us for sure? Yeah, yeah, well, I mean are you far? Well, what color your eyes? What color your eyes color? Yeah, what you can't you see them? Well, no Well, I can't now. He's the opposite because I can't I feel he's hurt right now. You know my eye color No, you know that somebody who it's like Justin has lighter brown someone who has lighter color eyes is Way more likely to have eye problems and someone who's dark color eyes. Oh, you didn't know that Oh, is that because the uv goes in and oh, you didn't know that. Oh look up I know that like my fair skin and like redhead. I know specifically has a higher pain threshold Oh, I gotta say something cool. He's all you guys are wimps. I could take an atom or pay Yeah, maybe maybe Andrew could look it up for us since Doug stepped out in the middle of our podcast I think you had diarrhea. We lost our google We lost our google shit about him because he stepped out We're gonna talk shit about him all the time. No, you guys didn't know that. Yeah, look it up google master No, I mean, I know I'm more squinty as a result. No, you have light colored eyes I mean, it's a it's like dramatically different sal like the likelihood you'll wear glasses if you have blue eyes Is extremely higher than if someone has brown eyes I mean, it kind of makes sense in terms of if you like it for your skin with pig pigmentation I'm gonna guess before I look it up. It has to do with uv damage because maybe um Darker use higher high jacket Andrew. Look at this Andrew See what happens Doug You've been just lost his job. What does that say right there? Can you expand on that right there? Although brightness may be an issue for light eyed people It is not directly related to the quality of their eyes and eyesight I still got quality in general science has not found evidence that people with darker eyes have intently better vision than those with Uh, paler oh, so not better vision, but they're more likely to have to wear glasses They have like what isn't that the same thing? No No, I don't think it's the same thing Because it's because what you're saying is what it's saying right now, which is the UV rays Doug, if you know that I don't know if look at people with light eyes are more likely to have to wear Wear eyeglasses than people with dark eyes like eyeglasses foreseen. Yes. Well, hold on. Yeah, I do not know Look what I'm reading right now. How's your stomach feel Doug? Is that did you have a good one? No, I had a phone call So the second part look at this says this means that dark eyed people So there's another part that says that dark eyes excelled at reactive tasks While those with light eyes were better at self-paced tasks So this means that dark eyed people scored better in areas like hitting balls and playing defense While light eyed people scored highly when it came to throwing balls Bowling or hitting golf balls. I don't know. That's true dude. I was a defender So I just uh, you know, yeah, I'm gonna do my own homework. I'm an outlier Yeah, well, anyway these eyedrops you put them in your eyes And it it improves your ability to read At close distance. So it could eliminate The need for reading glasses with eyedrops. That's a trip. It is right now It just got FDA approved. So I don't know if I would necessarily want to put this in my eyeballs Yeah, see what happens. Yeah later. You find out. It's just like eroding your eyeballs Yeah, it's wasn't a good idea. I don't have to work a lot 10 years later, you know Yeah, Andrew, what are you pulling up here? The first article I pull up says how eye color impacts your vision Your eye color is unique to you. In fact, no two people have these actually eyes Uh, blah, blah, blah, one of the most distinguished and characteristic people is a big part of this our expert light versus dark You know what it is I clicked on and then it brought me to another part of the article Did I get there yet? No I used there was whether you have light or dark colored eyes. Your your eye color does actually have an impact on your vision Okay, if you have a lighter eye colors, your eyes are more sensitive to light because you have less pigment and yeah And you're in rises to protect your eyes from the sun This means that you could have a greater risk of degeneration and that you might find yourself squinting more outside during the day So yes, it does. I'm a squinter. I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna and if you have darker eyes You couldn't we were more often withstand high glare lights better than light colored eyes can You're likely to wear eye glasses. You have really dark eyes adam Come on. Very mysterious looking at the camera. We're all over there. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a shark Yeah, okay, I'm gonna admit now I cheated because I had lasik eye surgery. Oh come on way long time ago I actually had it like Maybe 15 years ago. Do you know that? No. Yeah, I did. I had really bad Uh, I was really bad at looking at seeing things far away. Yeah And uh, that's where I'm at. I went in and got it done and it's still good My eyes now are 20. Last time I got a check was 2010 and one eye in 2015 and the other Which is really good. Nobody really cares. That has nothing to do with our argument. Great staff Shut your mouth. I wish this was a Felix Gray commercial. I mean I could totally tie it together a good commercial for that. Yeah, but I didn't know we were gonna I mean, I got prescription. I wear all the time like if I just thought that was a random I got something cool to tell you guys. Okay. Let's hear. I found out About a compound that has profound effects on the pump That we don't know about water Okay, glutathione It by the ion glutathione. Why is this like the wonder drug all of a sudden? It's like it's COVID all kinds of stuff. It's the master. It's the it's the cannabis of 20. Yeah It's really doing well. It's the master antioxidant It actually increases the amount of nitric oxide and they did studies on this There was a study on glutathione that showed that people who supplemented with it who exercised had better strength gains as well I swear to god. I'm not making this up. It's in the video of being the show notes. Look at that. Really? Yes I mean, is it like a correlation leap though? I mean, is it just like really? No, it's like a direct effect. Yes So like how many versions are out because I know the the most effective one that we use is those packets from live on, right? Liposomal. Yeah, so it's like a gel and it's it's rough to get through it But like are there other like versions out there that like are competitive that are like in a drink or or like pill form? Yeah, well the problem with glutathione is that the original studies done it showed all these benefits But they were all done intravenously So people had to go directly to the blood because when you consume it It's destroyed in the gut and it doesn't get to your system So the old way of increasing glutathione in your blood was to supplement with nac Which stands for enicidal cysteine, I think And by the way, that's the supplement the FDA now said Can't be sold over the counter because there were some studies. It's effective. Let's get rid of it It's effective against the certain type of What are you guys doing? It's doing all the wrong commercials today. What's going on? You're reading the you're reading the same show notes. I'm reading We're gonna work our way through all the partners, but the commercial I see that's real real information. No, no actually We're gonna live on will be mentioned in the in the middle of this episode But nonetheless the the glutathione you want liposomal meaning it's Surrounded by a fat so it's protected And studies show that liposomal glutathione does significantly raise glutathione in the blood So pre-workout taking an hour before work. I've been doing it and it's I can tell I just want to go So I took mine today now What's your recommendation for just like should you take one one of those little packets a day? Or I know when we when we were worried that everyone was sick in the house You told me to jump it up to two or three times a day I mean, what's kind of like the the generic recommendation for that Just one packet a day But the key is to have your glutathione levels be high before you get sick So once you're sick, and then you're trying to get it to go up It does make sense better than nothing, but it makes sense So then it does make sense for me to maybe do it to because Katrina and max both woke up sick. I'm fine. I don't feel anything coming on yet But I should probably double triple up you're saying right And what else of theirs because I know they got the vitamin c and what's the other one that you have Us doing you got me doing the green packet the the Which one I love giving out a purple packet and then the I think the gray one green one the acetyl l Carnitine. Yes, I'm having you take the glutathione and the vitamin c packet. Yes, so those three still Yeah, you just take all three and then the b complex you could take two that one's that one's actually I wouldn't actually taste kind of good I don't know. I mean, it's yeah, it's not offensive in comparison. Yeah. Yeah, okay Yeah, if you if you compare the two then there might be a Tallest midget. Anyway, so uh, so adam had a great time in Arizona with you at the inside event, dude That was really good. Yeah, I like tell me about it because obviously Had a little bit of foam out there So you guys got to really because he brought that up and I said I'd take that completely back. Okay. I didn't want to do anything See, see we got a lie, dude Now you got to be careful for lying like that because him and I actually got in a little bit of a debate in the Oh, really? In the yeah, I like I wanted to go hang out and like, you know watch and be a part of it But I didn't want to go speak. I was definitely didn't want to So here's what I said Here's what I hate because we doing that because we went to go speak on stage and you know adam and I whatever we like You know people looking at us. I guess and so we went up there did the thing And but I'll be into that with you but come on, bro. Only one of us posed on stage in Oh man, all right a snap. Yeah, not not at the NCI event dog. This one. He was competing. Oh, we yeah He didn't do that surprise everybody No, so they're picture me in little booty shorts Yeah, I said, let's bring Justin because and even Doug because uh, this is all coaches and trainers Right, and this is who we talked to on the podcast all time And afterwards they wanted to come up and ask us questions and meet us I'm like, man, this would have been great if we had the whole crew and I said, fuck that They wouldn't want to be here. Yeah, and he's he argued with me. I said, well if they want to come and I'll stay That's fine with me. I said, I'd rather be in palm desert sitting around a pool right now He's probably yeah, that's what I was doing In and hike is perfect weather. It was great time. Anyways, tell me about you guys. It was it was great, man There was a room full of it was like 200 something coaches and trainers. You know, these are our people And he packed the house man. Yeah. Yeah, it was like when we got there. There was no chairs people standing around The wall the building was completely in fact He was probably over the occupancy and the fire marshal probably would have got him in trouble if they Would have found out because how many speakers were there besides you guys and jason's What would you say eight to ten? I think so something like that. Yeah, it was three days, too So maybe even more maybe 12 to 15 of them. So a lot of the other people that spoke besides sal and I Uh are people in the coaching group that have gone through it and had like tremendous success Oh, cool. So what he would do is basically have them come up and tell their story Oh, you know, I started coaching with jason a year ago and now my business is doing six figures Or I'm making all this money so they come up and they kind of talk all about that And sal spoke on the first day and then I spoke on the second day and then we left What I was most surprised was so this we did this two years ago. Yeah, it was two or three years ago now So two or three years ago. Yeah, it might it might have been three years. Yeah And this is really the first time that we've been out since Ohio trip for uh, our whatchamacallit live event Yeah, our live event So it's been two years since we've kind of been out and the shows had uh a lot more growth right since then And I could because it was like in the exact same place similar event. Uh, he had even more people there Uh, I wasn't anticipating That many like like mind pump fans like everybody the whole room when sal got up there and asked how many people listen to show Literally the whole room raised their hand. Well, I mean that's that's our people I mean trainers and coaches are the ones that are really making we know this because we did this They're the ones making the big changes in the you know when it comes to health and fitness And if we could speak to them to get any for them to make those big changes with people I mean, that's phenomenal, but it was a lot of fun. This this one couple come everybody was great By the way, I loved everybody but at one point there was this couple that came up And they're both coaches and the wife Shakes my hand. She goes, I just want to let you know You're gonna roll her into the bus No, this is good. No, that's good. She goes. I just want to let you know. I love your show. I listen to every episode You know, you're getting a shit sandwich when it starts like that She goes, but I'm she goes. I disagree with a lot of the stuff you say You know in regards to like economics and politics or whatever. So I'm like, okay So then afterwards asked her what what it was and we had this nice discussion But you know what it highlighted to me It highlighted to me how valuable health and fitness is it's this It's this, you know, growth model this personal growth mechanism that Doesn't matter where you come from. I don't care what your political beliefs are. I don't care what your religious beliefs are All these other controversial areas of life Everybody can agree on improving your health and the methods to do so and there's some polarization in fitness and health too Especially recently, but it's not like other spaces So it's great that she disagrees, you know with some of the stuff I say but listens to every episode and loves the fitness and health stuff It's one of my favorite things about the space that way. I remember all my clients that were so different from each other Oh, we all agreed on that, you know, I don't know that I had many clients So they completely agreed with with all that kind of stuff but it was just about like getting better and improving and self-improvement and Uh, you know, you had that common ground the whole time. So it didn't matter Oh, I think that's what has led all of us to be kind of like we are because I was the same My clients that I had the longest actually died totally was Socially and politically like we didn't see eye-to-eye at all, but I like that. Yeah, like I actually so do I never held that again You know really I never held that against anybody. Oh, it helped me learn a good people It helped me learn if you if you hang out with all people that agree with you, right A lot of times you get you get caught up in the rhetoric and it's just bullshit Yeah, you close in each other and it's like you're not really versus me listening someone who totally disagrees without Now I get to hear How they dismantle my point of view and they either want to either strengthen my point of view or it changes my mind And I think that I really like that as a as a trainer getting people that where I thought were much smarter than I am Who disagree with me? I learned a lot that way. So I enjoyed that. It's just a very positive Especially if you communicate it right and you have good intentions. You really want to help people It's a very positive space So the fact that we have such a wide Range of people that listen to the show regularly who are interested in health and fitness Even though maybe they may disagree with us in certain things I think it speaks volumes of the space that we're in and it was nice because again, we're talking to a room full of Coaches and trainers and here's the the beautiful and challenging thing about working in the fitness space We've said this before It's if your goal is to make a ton of money You pick the wrong space not not that you can't be successful in the fitness and health space But if you just want to make money getting finance or tech The reason why people work in our space and choose it as a career is for two one It changed their life Significantly at some point in fact at one point during my talk I told people raise your hand and tell me Why you got into this space to begin with and people were sharing the craziest stories Like it I see it saved my life and you know, I was really obese and you know I had these body image issues and it helped me and then I want to help others with it And then the second part is you have a passion for helping people So it's like you do this And you have all this purpose and meaning behind it and then the second part is okay Let me figure out how to make you support myself doing this So it's a great space to work in and that's one of the reasons why I love you know talking to trainers and coaches Doug would have freaked out if he was there because I did what he hates I went I went deep into like all the gear I told everybody I know how much money we make. This is what we make here. This is what we make here This is what we make here. He gave away everything everything and I mean he was like in Doug. He was like exact There was no vagueness There was no vagueness whatsoever. He was like Doug gets audited this year Talked about Doug's new Lambo. Well, you know, it's funny This house in the Cayman Islands If anybody's gonna get Lambo, it's gotta be Doug It is gonna be Doug But he won't tell anybody he will he'll park in some other house Totally silent about it Very gold You know what though actually Sal and I both Started our talk the same way, which is like what if you know I try to think about what would I want to hear from these guys If I was in their shoes and he went one way and but I thought the exact same way too And what I would want to know is about the business like okay I look up to these guys. I listen to their show. I this I want to build something like them And so I see all these different things that they're involved in So where are you making most of your money? What aren't you having a lot of success with? What are your failures and all those things? So that's where I went I went that way it's just like laid it all out for everybody like this is what's been really successful for us These are things that may you there's the mistakes that we yeah You may think we're we're making a lot of money here or having success here, but we didn't or we're not And so I kind of like I just laid it all out there and then turned mine more into like an interactive queue Although I wrote something completely different when I got there and realized that oh all these people know Who we are and what we're doing already So I felt like the the best thing I could give them was just more insight to Well, I'm sure they appreciated that everybody loves transparency like that Yeah, I mean that's I got mostly got tagged on 15 different things of people saying that like I cannot believe How much transparency that he had or what he talked about like so and I because I feel like everybody keeps that so close to the chest Totally. Yeah, I think that I almost is a sign in my from for me personally now There's boasting which is what Doug, you know doesn't like and that's not what you were doing right There's like the whole I make this whatever which is stupid and I see people in our space doing that as well But then there's this side which is If I was a new person in the space and I was trying to build business and I see someone that I think is successful I would that would I would kill for that information like what does that look like and how does that work? And the vagueness that people have sometimes in that scenario. Yeah, it's weakness It's how it comes across like they're afraid it would be like if you went up to someone and you're like Man, how did you develop such an you know amazing arms? I'm like, well, you know, they don't want to tell you I don't want you to build arms too because I got you know, I mean It's like that week well I just think about like what it's been like for us to build the youtube channel and like apparel These are two like very common ways that people in our space try and make money And they're like two of the worst ways we've made money in this business So I just feel like that's really good information if I'm thinking I'm gonna get in the space I see what my pump's doing. Oh, they got a half a million plus subscribers on one channel They got another one that's growing at 150. I bet they're making this much money on that They got all these cool clothes they're always wearing up But they're in like it's like no because you had the influencers and the mastermind people that take advantage of that People think that's where you're gonna make all your money. And so you'll get into this class They'll give you, you know, they'll show you how to get a lot of followers and a lot of people like Subscribing and all those things and all the hacks and then you find out it's not really You know closing people on right anything. Yeah, I'll tell you what's funny though Whenever we do stuff like this, which we haven't done in a while, but I always catch at least a couple people doing this Though so what happens is and we made this mistake So people afterwards I want to come and you know talk to us and maybe take a picture And it's we separate some which is stupid because then people end up going Yeah, we should stay together But anyway, I'll hear people come up to and I caught a couple people to come up to me Like Sal, you're my favorite host or whatever Then I'll see I'm talking to Adam. Adam. You're my favorite host. I'm like, hey, hold on. Oh, yeah You lied to me. Yeah, you said the same thing to me And then one other thing I know we're supposed to talk about organifi. This is true now I had a a guy come up just you say this is true now that implies that everything you just said before The rest was a lie. Yeah, we were all the others that was bullshit, but this is true in Arizona No, I had this I had this trainer come up and he's like, oh, I know you the supplement guy He goes, what's the one supplement you take consistently? And I said, well creatine that's number one and then number two was the green juice And he was shocked. He's like really you take the organifi green juice. I said that's actually one of the one of the only supplements that is a regular rotation In my and so he's asking me why and I'm like well helps my digestion. I feel really good taking it It's just a general supplement that I take makes me feel now What do you what do you say to the people out there that try and shit on the green juices because that's one of those Ones that's a little controversial like if people think that it's a waste of money and it's crap And it's it's why would you do that like and by the way? I think we've always made it very clear like you're always better off eating real vegetables and whole foods That's why right? So that's what that's the issue. It's hard to do all the time Yeah, like if there's one thing that I probably don't do well enough in my diet is have a Nice wide variety of vegetables. I tend to get stuck in this like three vegetable rotation Well, I think I think you're actually very normal. I think that's if you prep your food Vegetables tend to be the thing that you lack like prepping. It'll be like broccoli all soggy soggy vegetables two days old They're terrible. You have to do a day of or yeah, exactly. So like it's hard to get enough Well, yeah and too like after listening to zack, you know from uh, when he's talking about like a gut Bacteria and how to make sure you like you keep it diverse and and and you keep that up That's hard to do you have to really rotate and make sure that you're getting all these kind of nutrients coming in to feed different types of bacteria Yeah, and I could get stuck in the bodybuilder mentality Just because it's simple where it's like the same foods all that I can easily and with vegetables That's the worst. So I'll have like broccoli or asparagus Or sometimes spinach, but it's usually broccoli or asparagus all the time all the time And so what I think the green juice just has variety And I guess that it makes me feel good. Well, that's fine I was talking to organified people at a party and I was like just raving about pure because it's it literally is like I am like so hooked on it and it's just because it's I mean, I'm a I'm a Stimulant guy already. I don't need any more stimulus to throw on top of what I'm doing And I just need more clarity and you more focus. I need like You know something to keep me sort of here You know in the present moment and it's really been one of the things you can have which by the way Justin comes in this morning, right? And you know, he drinks. I don't know two cups of coffee Probably by the way by the time he's here. Yeah, I've never seen anybody drink Caffeine during their workout. So it's not even pre-workout He grabs a drink and it's like 300 milligrams caffeine It's refreshing halfway through his work that I started drinking. I'm like, did you do a pre-workout for tomorrow? Yeah, it's just I'm at that point, you know, speaking of the pure thing It will be kind of a fun experiment because it's actually been a while since I've consistently taken that And I remember we talked about like when we when we first started trying it a lot like the build-up effect of it And how I really noticed it when we were podcasting And since I haven't for a while, this would be another good time for me to get consistent again So you should next time you should start how we used to do it Remember we used to all drink it before we started the podcast now that I I haven't done it a long time I'd like to kind of tease that out and see if I notice a difference and when we when we pod Yeah, let's do that. Also maybe the specifics of eye pigment and all that we'll get that down. Yeah, it's time By the way, guess you got a time magazine's person of the year. Huh? Someone we know Well, I mean everybody knows this person. Everybody knows this person, but Jeffrey Epstein I saw I saw a funny you on musk. Oh really? Yes. And you know what? Oh people are mad. Oh, there's some people are really angry Oh people are mad about what he just recently said about the uh about the relief on the what he just he just Oh, yeah, I was talking about the huge spending bill. Yeah And he goes you're taking the money away from people who allocate resources Very efficiently effectively and you're giving it to the one entity That is a proven track record of terrible allocation For the listener simplify what that means because I think that's such a great point And I was listening to a podcast say that we're was talking about that and it is so true It is so when you first of all nobody will spend money worse than the person who pays no consequences for spending it poorly Meaning the government right they just don't pay any and in fact when they spend more money poorly They make the case for more funding the next year because they say it's a money issue in comparison to brilliant minds That build something out of nothing is what you would say. Yeah, absolutely And and not only that but you know asset allocation or resource allocation It's really important like look at the cost. I forgot where it was. I think was Seattle They had this program to house the homeless And there was this private organization that was doing it and then there was the government this the city that was doing it Yeah, and I think the cost per Room or whatever from the city was something like 10 times more expensive than what this charity private organization can do Because of the amount of waste that they that they produce. So that's what he said it pissed off a lot of people But he's he's the person of the year. I'm actually surprised that they named him because he's so controversial Yeah, that is crazy. Yeah, he's that guy. I swear. He's my favorite Even though I think tesla stock is super bloated and and doesn't match anything. Uh any fundamentals Elon is uh, I mean it matches the fundamentals of betting on a founder That hundred percent. That's that's it right there. Yeah, it's because it's him if he was gone I don't think it would oh definitely No, in fact, I would think this stock would fucking tank if he were to all of a sudden decide I'm out of tesla plumb it would plummet. Yeah, I mean, I think that's everybody is is is banking on that is that he isn't done here You know, he'll do that and then he'll go on to do something else. And so it's a it's a smart He's literally he's tony stark. He's a real world tony stark. We need elon. Hey, I hope you're enjoying the show Look, we have a partner called live on labs. 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All right, here comes the rest of the show First question is from mitch b smith What are some ways to improve mind muscle connection? You know that the mind muscle connection is something that bodybuilders talk about All the time, right? It's being able to feel a muscle a target muscle through The you know a range of motion a particular exercise. They've actually done studies to show that people can improve the Or increase the amount of muscle fibers that fire in muscles that they start to improve this connection to so this is a good thing to focus on This is where the value the big value in isolation exercises comes from in my opinion isometrics I mean isometrics and isolation say isometrics are incredible Excellent So like compound lifts use so many different muscles that if you have a hard time like for example feeling your chest in a bench press One of the best things you could do in my opinion is either an isometric squeeze of the chest or like a cable fly or something That isolates the chest So you can feel it and then do your compound lifts. So I think isometrics or isolation Slowing the exercise down going lighter. Those would be my three a single joint going slow and really like Paying attention to the feel The first time I read this question. I remember like, uh, was it the rockers just like focus Like yells it out the gym, but I think that people don't realize that's a major factor Like we just kind of get in the rhythm and we get in the momentum of of moving and exercising We don't really pay attention Totally, uh, you know to what's at hand and also too if if there is like a lagging body part or there's a lack Of connectivity you can increase that by simply, you know, really hyper focusing on the squeeze And you know getting, uh, you know that recruitment process like more honed in on the only thing I would add to what you guys said is practice I mean when you think about an athlete who gets really good at throwing a ball He gets really that's that's improving your mind muscle connection The ability to throw a perfect spiral super hard like tom brady does with the accuracy A lot of that mind muscle is improved mind muscle connection over years and years of throwing the ball and lots of repetition So, uh, isometric isolation exercises and then just flat out Practicing that movement with the understanding of what your desired outcome is. So my desired outcome is I want to squat I want to fill it in my glutes So doing those things that we're talking about Isolation and isometric exercises to get the glutes to fire But then also just practicing that movement knowing i'm trying to fire the i'm glad you said that at the end because Throwing a practicing to throw a football better would be more like mind to movement connection, right Versus mind to muscle which mind to muscle isn't doesn't necessarily mean Better movement like what I mean by that is a power lifter Is constantly focusing on how to improve the efficiency And the leverage of a squat they really don't care if they feel in the quads glutes hams It's like how can I squat more weight? How can I improve the skill of my squat so I can lift more? Versus someone who's like man, I want to really build my butt I can't feel my butt. It's not so much about using more leverage or it's really about feeling the target muscle Which is a different reading muscle tension, but practice like you said adam practicing the connection often right so Like if you have a poor connection to a muscle Every time you train this muscle with all the exercises that should be the focus Can I feel it can I feel it can I feel it not how much weight you lifted? Or you know how you know how great your performance was Rather how much better can I get this muscle and even when you're not exercising, right? So that's what's great about things like trigger sessions if you are practicing just Activating that muscle even with no resistance total is only going to make you better with that mind muscle connection Next question is from tyler cortez Are wrist wraps helpful long-term or more detrimental? We used to debate this a lot I think for the average person detrimental. Yeah, I could see value in Advanced bodybuilders and lifters who know how to use that's a good way to put it I think yeah, but I think the average person what what they do is first off they disengage the grip So you're not strength and by the way your your grip should be able to support Pretty much any lift you do. This is one of the strongest parts Of the human body is your ability to hold on to things. I mean we evolved we're primates for goodness sake So this is very strong But you're going to make your hands not strong enough to support your exercises if you're constantly using something that helps you hold onto the bar and Studies show that wrist wraps or straps or whatever you call them the things that you go around your wrist and go around the bar Change recruitment patterns all the way up to the shoulder changes the way you fire your muscles To accomplish that task and I think that people don't realize that it just you naturally wow This feels a lot easier and I feel like I can You don't really get a better hold and a better grasp on more weight But it doesn't translate then after not having wrist wraps on Yes, so now all of a sudden I feel like I can do that 80 pound dumbbell no problem But guess what now there's a big weak link in in in that that chain that goes all the way up, you know into your arms So now early on in the podcast I used to debate you guys a little bit on this not because I don't I don't disagree with everything You just said because I do agree 100 agree, but then at the same time too You might catch me using wrist wraps. Well, you were competing you were bodybuilding Right and and I think that way and that's why the way you started it I think is I think over time we've refined how we we present this message And I think that's a perfect way to say it It's like for the most for the most people and the app general population. It's it's going to hinder them It's not ideal for them at all and you should avoid it at all cost But for an advanced lifter who has very specific goals and has got a great developed physique There's some application for and there's been plenty of times in my career where I've pulled them out to use them Because I don't want my forearms to be the limiting factor Like and even though yes practicing with the grip would be better for my grip But I'm a bodybuilder. I'm trying to get my rear dealt at that that moment to fire I don't care if my forearms aren't firing or getting developed at that moment I'm trying to develop a very specific thing and I don't want anything else to get in the way of that And so there's times when there's some application But talking to the general population And and by the way, I haven't used rips wrist wraps in A couple years. You're not bodybuilding. Yeah, I don't care right now Right now I'm not like into the body sculpting thing right now I'm just training to be healthy and fit and because of that if I can't hold on to something That's over 350 pounds. I don't deadlift it. It's because so it does because it doesn't matter to me anymore Yeah, here's the place as I say that we're probably Where people will use it, right? So high level bodybuilders who are doing these high volume workouts You know, they're doing 20 sets for back and they're already really well developed and they know how to isolate and squeeze And they get plenty of hand and grip work and everything else that they do Strongman competitors use wrist wraps often because the competitions allow them to sometimes So you'll often see them do these lifts power lifters. Yeah power lifters don't use them because power lifters have to use their grip Well, yeah competitive power lifters. Yeah, but uh, you see your weekend warrior guys doing. Yes. Yes That's a big problem. It's an ego lift for those ones. Yes. Now. I use them rarely, but here's when I'll use them Let's say I'm gonna do a heavy stiff legged deadlift I'm not I'm not working my upper body. I'm trying to work my hamstrings So and I have 400 pounds on the bar And I already did a conventional deadlift early in the week What I'm trying to do there is actually use my arms less. Well, that that's my rear delt example Yeah, you are trying you are trying to isolate even though it's impossible to isolate a muscle But you're trying to put as much emphasis on your hamstrings and what you don't want is your forearms to limit you Yes, or over train my forearms right and because you're an advanced lifter who has got a balanced physique It has strong forearms then to me it makes sense So that's how I felt when we used to talk about this early in the podcast You guys just give me shit all the time and I'd be like, well, listen I I feel like I can defend why I use it because I don't use it all the time But then there have been specific moments, but when we're talking to the general population I think most I just always caution because either way you look at it You're gonna cause dysfunction And that's just something that you're gonna have to work your way back and you're gonna have to repair and eventually It's gonna sneak up and bite you in the ass So if you are competitive with it, there's a window for that. Sure But you have to ask yourself, too What's a lesser evil someone to do an over Overunder grip on a deadlift or a wrist wrapped deadlift depends who it is most people I would say use your switcher over under but back and forth. Which nobody does right unless you're us Yeah, but Right a lot of people do Overunder and to go max lift and I would it go and I used to okay. I'm guilty of this but looking back now I actually Probably should I would have rather because the issues that I have are shoulder and upper back because you always kept the same That's right. So that's right. And so Since I'm not switching back and forth, which most people don't I probably would have been better off of using wraps in that situation This is why I switched to hook grip is exactly but it took me six months to get my hook grip to be able to handle the weight That I could use with a Alternate grip. Yeah, I've never given clients wrist wraps either of I yeah I've never had them use him at all and and by the way bodybuilders Don't care about function. That's the other thing we need to realize realize. Yeah, it's not a factor No, they don't care like oh great great It's changing the recruitment pattern in my you know my shoulders or okay My hands can't handle the 20 sets I do for my back. I don't care I'm going on stage. So it doesn't matter. Yep Next question is from just a girl in her jeep Should I use a weight belt or just work on strengthening my core and proper breathing? If you're going to use a belt in competition Then you're going to want to train with a belt because it's a specific skill and it's a specific core recruitment pattern Everybody else avoid belts by the way This is coming from someone uses heavy a weight belt when I do heavy Deadlifts or squats. Why do I use a belt for heavy deadlifts and squats? I did it for so long that I don't feel like taking two years out of my training to train myself to not use it That's literally how long it'll take. I've been training since I was a kid and when I was I think I was 15 or 16 That's the story I talk about when I ran into those power lifters and they're the ones that oh you got to use a Belt or whatever so then from 16 Till you know now I've been using this belt And I've gone through stints without without using it and I know it would literally take me a couple years of training without a belt And I don't care at this point But to the average person You're better way better off developing the type of core stability that you need to train without a belt and it's different When your core braces without a belt, it's a different recruitment pattern Then when it braces with a belt when it braces with a belt it pushes out against the belt That's does not do that. Well, it's interesting. You say that because I'm probably in the opposite Where I've actually done it's been maybe since high school where last time I've really like trained with a belt and like heavy squats and Like I feel like I've lost that ability to Brace that way by pushing out And so like that would be like so unnatural for me that it would like take me forever to go through the process of You know like working in that You know when I squat so I think again This is this is one of those things like if you're competing with it It makes sense And it's just at one of those things. I don't think that you need it if you train and develop it all the way up without one but There's again, there's places for it. Yeah, this is same answer for me as the last question Again, I the last time I used a belt You probably can look back on my instagram and actually see because I would do post of Showing the audience like hey, I'm using a belt today just to test my strength, right? I don't care about that right now. I'm not trying. I'm nowhere near my top strength on any of my lifts right now So I haven't used a belt in whatever that post is. I'm going to guess it's been well over a year or two since I've probably used it But again intermittently I use that just like straps. There was there's been times when same just like my shoes for the most part 90 of my training is you know flat shoes and or or barefoot And strapless and beltless But all four of those things I utilize occasionally and a lot of times I do it because purely for ego I want to see what I can put up that day I want to see if I have a little bit of support underneath my uh, my heels So I don't so my it doesn't stress my ankle mobility as much. I got plenty of room I want to feel that uh, sometimes I want to throw the belt on and maybe stack an extra 50 pounds on there Just to feel that heavy ass weight. Sometimes I've lifted really really heavy the day before my forearms are five But I still want to rip dead lifts and I get the straps out but very very Rarely especially right now since my goals are not geared around aesthetics or strength really right now It's more about health Um, and then back to a point one of you made already. I've never had a client utilize a belt or straps I've only had a couple Yeah, now you've done a lot of work with your ankle mobility and that's been more secure and you're you got The depth to go with that and everything now In terms of each one of those aids, which one do you think now after putting work in? Uh, you probably see the most help from that aid versus maybe one doesn't have quite as much of an impact Oh, that's a really interesting question. Um, and it one, I think we would have to first break down the lift Right, so if we were talking depends on the lift, huh? Right. Yeah, so if it's a dead lift the belt You gotta be over the straps. Yeah the straps. Yeah arguably the straps because I'd say right now my limiting factor of doing 400 pounds would not be My core or back it would be my my hands probably couldn't hold 400 pounds right now But I think my back and hamstrings and glutes are strong enough um the the uh The shoes are big. We're way bigger than I ever thought. Sal introduced me to the heels. Sorry. Yeah Ironically the heels of the shoe guys. Yeah. Yeah, so I had never I had never used squat shoes in my life before This is where this is pre atom nose. He has a ankle mobility problem, right? So I didn't I didn't I didn't recognize it yet And I thought well, that's so weird what why were these help? I did it and I was like, whoa I felt so much more comfortable But that also what led me to realize like oh shit I have an issue with ankle mobility because all he did was raise my heels up and all of a sudden the squat felt better Same here. I did him and I'm like, why am I squatting better? Oh, wait a minute. Yeah That's why I have flat feet So now when I actually so to get to your point Justin If I go back like let's say squatting right now because I can get really good deep a depth barefoot right now Pretty comfortably. It does feel a little more comfortable with with uh with squat shoes because you obviously have I have even more room But it doesn't I don't feel like it like I'm not adding any more weight really anymore because of the heels We're in the path the squat shoes would I could be add more weight because of the squat shoes not anymore The belt though, uh, I can still get probably another 25 pounds up because of that And so that would help me in squatting big time actually So I feel the belt you brought up dead lifting the belt helps me more with squatting Uh, the straps would help me more with dead lifting for so, um, but very minimal and I don't care now So I don't actually use any of them ever right now Next question is from Cole Kosnick. Are there any proven benefits to taking ashwagandha? Yeah, that's that's actually a pretty well studied supplement. It's got lots of benefits. It raises testosterone in men With low testosterone. Um, and it's got this It's also it's also in your green juice. You were talking about it. It is it's in the organized green juice They put our ashwagandha in there and it's got this hormone balancing effect to where It's called an adaptogen because the negative effects that you get from a lot of stress Can be quite blunted by supplementing with ashwagandha It's almost like it gets your body utilize cortisol better. So your body doesn't raise cortisol as much So see studies that Where it'll lower cortisol and high stress individuals you see studies showing that it improves recovery and strength and muscle gains in athletes It's one of those few Like natural supplements that has a pretty good effect now There may be cases where you don't want to take ashwagandha I think if you have like a night shade allergy or intolerance, you probably don't want to supplement With ashwagandha, but it's it's like, okay So, you know how ginseng is for for chinese medicine like ginseng is like the king You know of of supplements or herbs or whatever in chinese medicine ashwagandha is like that for erivetic medicine It's one of those like vitality libido energy strength Recovery improves sperm motility and sperm production in men. So it's a pretty Phenomenal supplements one of the few it's one of the things that you'll probably if you have everything else dialed in This is an herb like what kind of plant is this? I don't remember. I don't know what it looks like. I know it is a root root. Yeah, I know it smells It's I think in fact, yeah, if you do the pure I've had the pure stuff which blows my mind the liquid Yeah, the liquid. Oh, it tastes like like alcohol or something taking if I'm not mistaken rubbing alcohol They called it I think if I'm not mistaken in erivetic medicine, they call like horse piss or something like that because it smelled Really bad or they make comments. Yeah, I have I have the dropper at home Um, I had I got that before we started working with organifi and their their green juice And it's like, oh my god, it's it's gnarly. Yeah, it's um, it's not a root dug. Yeah, it's a root. Oh, yeah, there it is Right there. Okay. Look, uh, Like like ashwagandas like horse pee or horse something because it was like this funny Now do you uh, what what's your thoughts on? Maybe that's why you feel so good on the green juice. Do you think that that may be playing As much or more of a role than the fact of you just getting your vegetables that you that's all of it It's all I love ashwagandas. It's it's a supplement that I'll cycle in To my supplement regime, you know, it's really good with ashwagandas is a stimulant because it's got that natural stress balancing effect So if you're taking like a really strong pre-workout take like a little bit of ashwagandas with it And you get this nice balancing effect. I notice uh, recovery from it really like I can definitely increase my volume If i'm supplementing with ashwagandas. So it's a it's a very interesting supplement if you have Issues with cortisol You may want to get advice from a practitioner an expert Because I know it definitely can change the way your body body utilizes cortisol Which may be one of the reasons why it's known as this kind of adaptogenic herb But yeah, it's one of those. So do you think it'd be equal in terms of like uh mushrooms and their Uh, sort of uh, adaptogenic. Yeah, cordyceps type of an effect or is it a little bit even Greater the studies are better with ashwagandas right now. You know, really? Yeah, you know, it's it's interesting though With herbs is that they can have a pretty interesting different effect from person to person so like Red they call red panics ginseng, right? That's the like the real because there's american ginseng Those aren't real ginsengs they call them that but the real ginseng is this red panics kind of Chinese ginseng And it's got this You know supposed to be stimulated stimulating effect and it's got adaptogenic properties I take ginseng and I feel I don't feel good. It makes me hot and feverish and I feel kind of bogged down I had a chinese uh, herbalist tell me that it was because I had a lot of yang energy And it just makes your yang go up even more and so I was unbalanced. That's the way they explained it Um, rhodiola can do that too. You're running hot, right? And this is how somebody they describe it Something like that, right? Yeah, uh, rhodiola is like that too rhodiola is a stimulant. It's got great Uh studies rhodiola can make me feel like crap too. I feel like shit when I take that I've tried that so many times thinking you and I both. Yeah. Yeah, it can do that to me too ashwagandha I feel great. Um, but again, it's there's a it's interesting with some of these herbs How with some people they can feel great and other people can't and the reason why I'm saying this is don't do what I did which is You know when I was younger I would read these studies And I would take the supplement and I'd be so hardheaded about it So I'd be like I feel like crap, but I'm gonna keep taking it not realizing like oh It's probably this this herb that I'm taking that's supposed to be great But it's making me feel like you should find us like a super woo-woo person and come on here and like break down like all the herbs You know what the problem? Yeah, yeah, someone like who's like a woo-woo and all of it, you know Well, they can just be like what's his name our functional practitioner guy that we've had on a couple times Oh, would you be able to break it down with you? Dr. Cabral, he's an expert You know what the problem is is that if if they talk in aromatic terms or they talk in Chinese medicine terms People scoff at it. Well, that's if they're gonna talk about like who cares We'll we'll take care of that. But I see what I want to do is I want to see like the actual Uh, you know double blind placebo controlled studies and I want someone to break those down There's a lot of them, right? Well, that's what I mean, but I want somebody somebody who knows that right that can tell us like like He just has a great question like what would what is considered better? Cordyceps or ashwagana now you gave kind of your personal opinion on that But I love someone to say like, oh no, there's way more research to support this for these reasons and But I mean we cool to have someone like that. 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