 Okay. How are you feeling? I'm okay. Good. You're hanging in there. I am. I am. Good. You're sad. You're too bad. You had a busy day at the center. Yeah. Yeah, it was good. Yeah, we had Amherst College. There's a class on age, aging and ageism. I spoke to them a couple of weeks ago, but then the whole class came to the senior center, and they talked to four different seniors. We had a really nice panel to ask good questions. So that was great. Nice. Yeah, that's wicked good. That's great. Yeah. Will they be coming back? Yes. So the professor is going to teach the course again in the fall. So we'll invite them back. And then she also put in a request. I forget the exact wording of it now, but basically so that they can be a part of the community service programs at Amherst College so that then we can hopefully get some more student volunteers. That's great. Yeah, I'm excited about that. Nice. So I had some technical issues and so I'm on my iPad rather than my laptop and I share that with you in that. I'm not sure I can, I don't think I can ever see the community participants anyways. So I think I need to defer to you if I can keep track of that. Yeah. And I don't know, I'm just trying to see if I can see people, but I don't know that I can. What view do you have it on? I'm looking, let's see, nope, that's not what I wanted. Oops. I'm in Zoom. I see four participants, but I can't see, oh wait a minute. Here we go. Ah, here we go. All right. Make it progress here. Perfect. Okay. Hi, Terry. Hi, how you doing girls? Good. How are you? And I think Chad, are you there? Yep. Okay. Did you get my call, Hayley? I did get your call, but there wasn't a callback number, so I wasn't sure. I thought you would look on the, what do they call, identifier or whatever. Anyway, are you interested in some large plants for this? Yes. Yeah, we would love some more plants. Thank you. You know, three or four, five feet tall types that go in. Nice. Yeah, large rooms like that, and I thought it might fit in. Yeah, we could definitely take them. All right, just come sometime when you're at work. Eight to five, is it? Eight to four. Okay. Everybody have a good Halloween? Yeah. We didn't do anything. Yeah, no one comes here. Yeah, we just had a handful of kids. I guess the neighborhood trick or treating, you need to live on a, we're at the end of a cul-de-sac, a short cul-de-sac. And I think they opted for the longer streets in our neighborhood where they could get more bang for their buck, or more treats for their bags, as it were. Probably. Did you have that fit forward program yet, Hayley? Yeah, that's been going on since sometime in September. The instructor took a little bit of a break after the four week sessions, but people seem to like it. It's more high energy. So there are some people. How many people go? I think we have about six-ish right now. That's good. And I heard you want us to get the little tag to sign in every time you go there. Yes, we are trying to push more. Yeah, it's helpful. Yeah, it looks better on paper too. It helps. It all helps with the numbers. Yep. It's a numbers game. Gotta do it. All right. So, Christina, I tried to promote you to a panelist. So you should get a pop-up. All right, perfect. Hello there. Hey, how you doing, Jacqueline? I am now present because Christina, because my technology was not doing well by me or I wasn't doing well by it. And, Jackie, I couldn't email you the minutes because it came back undeliverable. Okay, I was wondering why I didn't. Yeah, but Christina called and reminded me. And though I had a lot of things going on today, I had two alarms going off and it didn't work. Oh. So, I'll have to find out what's going on with my son. My son and my grandson. But we're present. How is everybody? Good. Good. I need to apologize in advance. I have to leave it about 5.50 today for another meeting this to make up my calendar. I saw the minutes. Yeah. Hello, everyone. Hello, everyone. It's been a long day and I've been on Zoom a great deal of the day. So I'm going to keep my camera off, but I just wanted to say hello. Hello. Your lifesaver, Christina. Or I should say a meeting saver for me. Thank you. So, Jackie, you didn't get a copy of the September or the October minutes. You mean I got something earlier, I believe, but I don't have it up now. Good grief. Well, Dennis, some of us are astute, some of us are sharp with technology, and some of us are brave. I don't know where I fit in on all that, but it sure was crazy getting on today. I'll tell you that. That was, wow. Yes, I agree. Maybe it's something with the moon. I don't know. I'm just grateful I am on and I can see you all. Oh, hello, hello. Hello, Dennis. Hello there. Hi, Ann. How are you? I'm sorry? Hi, Ann. How are you doing? Fine. Good, good. I'm here. That's how I'm doing. Okay. Excellent. Okay. So will we all square Ann? We're going to leave it the way it was? Absolutely. Absolutely. Let's call it a brain cramp on my phone. Okay. A brain fart? I said a brain cramp, but if you'd like to burn it, go to the secretary. Harry, I got the minutes. I did get the minutes. This is Christina. I always get everything. Good. Okay. Jackie's email came back saying that she couldn't get them. So Jacqueline. Jacqueline. Jacqueline, not Jackie. Right. Oh, sorry. Jacqueline is no longer at 780 at AOL. She's at 7, she's 755 at gmail.com. So that's the difference. And I send her email to Hailey and other people so that when I look at the email, I could always tell if it was sent to the right email. And as far as I can see, it was sent to J. Smith, C870 at AOL, but she's no longer there. She's at 755. So perhaps I can email you, Terry, the new email. Sure. Sure. Yeah, that would make sense. Okay. So we'll call to meeting to order and we'll do roll call and. Here. Terry. Here. Chad. Here. Karen. Here. Mila. I'm not sure how to say that. No. Christina. Here. Jacqueline. Here. Dennis. Right here. And I'm here. Okay. Pursuant to Governor Baker's March 12, 2020 order suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law. General Law 30A, Chapter 18. This meeting of the Council on Aging is being conducted via remote participation. This meeting is also being recorded. Okay. Public comments. Anyone in the public is now welcome to make a comment or express their views for up to three minutes. If you wish to speak, use the raise hand icon on the lower part of your screen or dial star nine if you're on the phone. And I need to defer to Hayley because I cannot see any participants. We have no one in the audience. And I'm working with Captain Chief Nelson to get him on the Zoom so he can give an overview of the emergency management services. The link wasn't working. All right. Should we change the order then? He should be on in a second. I just sent him the new link. He's going to give it a come up about warming and cooling centers and what's the town response. And so I invited Chief Nelson to talk about that because that's really his area of expertise. He's the one who oversees all the emergency management responses for the town. We'll have him in the town manager. Excellent. And while we're waiting, I just want to thank Hayley for sending us the director's report ahead of time. Really helpful seeing that information. So thank you. And hopefully everybody got a chance to look at the minutes because later on we'll be proving up for previous meetings. I think Chad had his hand up. Yes. Sort of like a point of order or something like that. I think this is me. Let's third miss. So we have to fill that position. Is that that's in our bio? I just don't know how to memorize. So if someone misses three, they're off. Well, you know, we asked the chair to look at all the minutes or how we would figure that out. But yeah, it's part of the, they want you to stay active in the meeting. So after you miss a certain amount, they want to fill that position with somebody else. Okay. Thank you, Chad. I appreciate your expertise on the guidelines there. Does she have to resign or do you contact her to say? My thought is that we look it up. We assign somebody to look it up, which I think is great. And give her a telephone call. I have no telephone. Yeah, I think that is important to give her a call. Yeah. Don't just kick her out. Right. Right. Right. Hold on. Mostly coming from, where is it? Maryland? I think she's in Maryland anyway. I don't want to hold up the meeting, but I think it's important that you share that. Our president or our staff person should follow up on that. I'll check in with Haley because often I don't have any of her contact information, but yeah, we'll follow up and take a look at things. Thank you. I'm guessing she's on the phone with Chief Nelson now, so. So Jackie, what's your email? JSmithC755 at gmail.com. And I particularly prefer not to be called Jackie and I'll explain that to you at another time. Okay, no problem. Thank you for mentioning that. You're welcome. Why don't we move on? The first order of business. Haley's on the phone with the chief. We can move on. Let's give her one more minute because I would guess if it's going to be longer than that, that she would tell us to move on, but maybe you should. I think hopefully they're very close to. I can appreciate the technical challenges and how nerve-wracking it is when you're stressed when you try to get on and you never. I certainly had trouble getting on today. I did as well. I had to sign in as a panelist. Yeah, they had a new feature though since last week, at least I had to download something and then I was supposed to remember a password, which. Until Haley has the chief on, then we can take care of other business. Otherwise, we'll kind of be getting later and later and I believe if we get too late. Yeah, let's just. Do we want to go on to number five? Go ahead. We could, although I do think it would be helpful if Haley could hear it, but I'm just trying to get her. The other directors left the meeting and let us run our meeting. She's not going to miss anything. It'll be in the minutes. She'll have a long section where she gets her report. Can we pick up something else on the agenda? Yes. All right. Let's go ahead to the ad hoc committee on emergency shelter and in chat and I know which one for both. Okay. We have a little bit of confusion in that. We have a subcommittee that Chad and I have been on and I also did some research on emergency shelter. So in terms of emergency shelter, I would think that I'd rather wait for the chief's report because I think Haley invited him about that and I've done a good deal of personal research on it. Chad and I have been discussing how broad the scope of our subcommittee should be and what methods should be used to elicit input on the perceived needs of the broadest range of seniors, not just the seniors that use the senior center, but a broad range of seniors in Amherst and what their perceived needs are. One of the, you know, the problem of reaching a broad group. I think Chad has more experience than I do in that, but we've been talking about how best to do that and what kind of survey tools would be needed. But Chad, would you say that's as far as we got or would you like to add? Well, I know that the town of Northampton has gotten further than Amherst on the resilience center. They actually have a building designed and they're in practice currently with people in the town in a place. It's not the resilience center they're going to build, but I was able to tell Ann about that. This is her issue. She's interested in that. I'm more on the motion that was passed about, you know, informing a strategic plan and getting our stuff together and saying where we want to go over the next few years. So that's really a different item. But that's what I was talking about when I said we have met to discuss what kind of tools could be used to reach the broadest range. Well, I think probably the, that's a different, these are two different issues. Yes. The second one you're talking about now is there's been a survey in the national, the double ARP is conducting a nationwide survey. They do a town by town in this area, the Regional Planning and Development Council, and the town itself picked up a survey which we have done, completed. The town also followed that up with listening sessions, which were really regional planning members and town employees talking about some of the accomplishments that they had made. There were small sections for listening. But anyway, that report will probably come out in a little while. So as most folks who have been around here know for about a year or maybe 10 months I've been talking about, we don't have a plan for our organization. We don't talk about the business of the organization. So, Chad, excuse me, I'm just going to interrupt one sec. I'm a little confused. I thought you and Ian were reporting out on the emergency shelter and I feel like we took a turn to another topic. That's what I said. Okay, so I'm going to ask you to halt on that because that wasn't on the agenda and I just want to stick to our item. That's what I have to say on the resilience center. Okay. It's being done in other towns and it would be great. I think Jacqueline, as she mentioned at our meetings, her interest in that very topic. Perhaps in a future meeting, we should add that to the agenda to get more thorough. I think with the weather forecast due to climate, well, the regular climate here, and climate changes impact on all over the place, not just in Amherst. But one of the things I think we can't put it off too long because winter is upon us. You might choose to do it another time, but there are people here who would be greatly impacted by not having options. I did write to Mr. Bachman who hasn't answered me, but I'm assuming that maybe he's asked Haley to invite the fire chief to answer some of the questions. I asked whether there were any other committees because there are many, many town committees working on this very subject. Good question. That was more than 12 days ago. I haven't gotten an answer from him about that and I have no way of going through all of the minutes and going back to see whether any other committee has begun to work on this. It would seem in the interests of many committees, those dealing with safety and health and we are particularly concerned with an older population, most at risk of either heat or cold, climate emergency, and the electricity goes out. I'm really looking for where will there be a place with a backup generator that can hold people. It's one thing to say, well, you can put a lot of chairs in the senior center, but the senior center doesn't have a backup generator. We were looking at the fact that we have the privilege of being in a college town. There are great many buildings in the colleges that would accommodate a large number of people. Let's say they have to stay overnight and be on cots, but the town has to make some arrangement. There has to be a study as to how people would be notified, how would they get there. It's a very complicated issue and I would think the fire chief would be part of it, so I was going to hold that until we heard from him, but that's as far as we've gotten. Jackie, if you'd like to join us in these conversations and investigations, we'd love to have another brain. I think not only should the fire chief but public health, because we are in a situation like I've never been in before, the COVID and the cough, the flu, or whatever it is that's going around. How do we do both with an elderly population and maximize both their health and their safety? Hayley, do you have any update? We're having some technical difficulties. I tried doing a couple different things with Tim on the phone. He's calling our head of IT to see if they can pinpoint what the issue is. Hopefully he will be joining us, otherwise we're going to have to reschedule. I actually reached out to him independent of hearing from Paul because typically emergency management responses are coordinated by the fire chiefs in a town, so I thought it'd be really important to have him come. He's a fountain of knowledge. I know that there are some things in the town that they have already established certain protocols, so I think he can really speak to that in more depth either hopefully at this meeting or in the future. May I ask did Paul Backelman get in touch with you suggesting that you contact the fire chief about this? No, I did that on my own. I think it's very odd that we have a town manager who doesn't have enough of a staff to hand an email like from an inquiry of the council as to who else might be working on this that he doesn't have a staff that he could just say would you answer that or get in touch with the fire chief to answer. So I was just curious as to whether he had contacted you asking you to invite the fire chief. Well I mean I can only imagine how many emails he must get in a day and you know that's the sort of thing where he wouldn't necessarily need to tell me that you know I would know to do it. Yeah that really wasn't my point and I know that. But I hear you. I hear you. But I think it's a very important point. Some you know you delegate looking into that to someone and it's been more than 10 days and that's not adequate. I just want to go on the record saying that is not adequate. Yeah. I wonder in the interest of time if we can jump to your report Hailey and then why don't we do that. If he's able to join us perhaps we can you know plug him in right away but yes and I he might call me so I might have to mute myself but I'll go I'll let you know before I do. So I pulled some numbers and if there are other data points that people are wondering about I'm happy to see if we can generate another report in my senior center. But some of the statistics that I have are we logged 46 hours of volunteer time this month and I say logged because it's likely that you know as we try to get all of our volunteers to sign in we've probably missed some hours. So I think we've actually done more than the 46 but that's what we have for certain in our database. So I'm working with Julia on having all the volunteers sign in when they come to the senior center so that we can start getting a more accurate look at how much volunteer time people are spending with us. We had a check in count of 712 again in reality these numbers are probably higher than what's represented in our software not everyone signs in but 712 I think that's down slightly from prior months we're averaging about 36 check-ins a day 564 people and then if you look at the duplicated number it was 3500. We did 275 meals that's a combined home delivered meals and grab and go meals. So we are very active and you have a question Terry. Yes is this 46 hours a week or for the month? For the month so all these numbers are for the month of October. Okay great thank you. Yep you know and again if there's other things people are wondering about what does a an average month look like for us I'm happy to get you know other other data points. I do want to talk again about the can't remember cafe right so we're having a little bit of fun with the name instead of calling it a memory cafe and for anyone who's not familiar the the concept of a memory cafe is to offer respite for a caregiver and socialization for an individual who's living with some mild dementia symptoms but really they're open to anyone you know where we wouldn't turn somebody away if they came and they didn't have dementia. We launch on Wednesday November 30th our cafe runs from 10 a.m to 12 p.m the first hour of which is kind of an open coffee and conversation hour so we have pastry we have coffee we're just kind of having our our folks mingle and get to know one another and then from 11 a.m to 12 p.m we do a rotating group activity so on the 30th we have an Amherst College student musical group called Healing Hearts with Harmony they'll be our opening act and then we have other I have some guest speakers coming in we'll do some different types of activities we'll do a special holiday themed memory cafe so we're really trying I'm really trying to push this to people in the community as a way to have folks just get engaged with us a little bit more. I'm just curious since the newsletter just went out have you heard from people has anybody kind of emailed or called or asked? I haven't gotten any emails but I have been I personally phoned a few people and said hey this is going on would you come and one person told me that she would move her doctor's appointment so she could make sure that she gets there so I was really happy to hear that because I wanted her there so I think what I've been finding is that it's not sufficient for someone to just read about it or see it online if we get better attendance when we actually call people and that takes a lot of time folks might stay on the phone for 20 30 minutes but that's really been the best way to get attendees and and you have a question no it's not a question it's a suggestion um if you reach out to the gerontologist in the area some of the some of the doctors the pcps and they put it on there my pcp communicates with her patients on the website as to what might be interesting or good for them you might reach out to the medical community and tell them it's available so that they could tell interested patients it's another way of reaching people okay perfect yeah that um yeah that'll be great with their all-timeers association yes I did mention it because we did a dementia training so I had mentioned it to them and then there will be a press release not next week but the week after and it should be going up on some other facebook pages ours included so yeah you should have a pretty good turnout and it's the kind of thing that we can build over time it's also a really attractive program for volunteers so when we're talking about how do we get people engaged at the center this is a an easy sell as it were it's the kind of program that people can sponsor or and support financially too so it's a I think it'll be a really not only will it be good for the community good for the participants but it'll be good for the center for the paratransit update so it took a lot of paperwork a lot of back and forth but we have the plates for the van we have a group of the volunteer an average coordinator Julia is taking two volunteers down to Springfield I think on the 22nd of November to pick up the van the van will live at DBW until we have a driver in place but that you know hopefully in a month or two being optimistic we can have a the position filled and then we can start to offer medical appointment rides and rides to the senior center I'm very happy about that you have people in mind for that position no we'll we'll likely have to host it up on you know on the town website and we'll we'll do a push but you know I hope that it the way that we'll probably hire it is like a part time 20 or we can you know that a lot of people like the flexibility of that yeah yeah I think might oh good oh yeah so tell them or you can let me know who they are and I'll give them the application when it's available okay my turn yeah how are you gonna who's gonna be actually taking the phone calls of what who needs a ride to and where etc so that's gonna fall under the admin assistant so I will have Al scheduling rides I'm looking at a couple different software systems because I've talked to some senior centers and they they don't like my senior center for ride booking I guess it's not really not really an easy to use program for that so I'm looking at a couple other software systems but I want I want staff to be doing it instead of volunteers so there's more consistency in the ideas that people could could call in the same day or the day before and get a ride I would talk to the Northampton senior center even though that's not up and running anymore like it was when I was the volunteer they would have a good idea to probably give you some help for the implementation of the program or just you know how do you call who do you call and all that kind of stuff oh sure yeah I cannot I can definitely chat with them I have experience operating two paratransit vans from burnerson and northfield so I have a pretty good sense of what I want but you know it'd be good to get their perspective because they're a bigger city okay and chad I have all the confidence in the world in you thank you what's gonna happen with the old van one and number two will this use pvpa boss be able to fit in the underground garage without having the footage memorized I can't say for sure but I am looking into getting handicapped plates for that van and if we have handicapped plates we could park underneath the awning that's outside of the health department and then your first question what was your first question again what's going on with the old van so we had the 15 cedar or the mini vans it's like a it's like a it's a golden dodge caravan with our sign on the side of it yes so we do we have a gold and a white van we will still be using those those we use for a myriad of of things home delivered meals volunteers might take those vans out we might go pick up supplies this van will be used for transit because it has a lift so we can accommodate walkers and wheelchairs where we can't take people with mobility impairments on the other vans were there any other questions so tying into the paratransit van I applied for the community development block grant I sent in that application last week on the fourth I requested $43,900 from the town which will fund two part-time drivers it'll fund some fuel costs for the van and then outreach materials because we want to make sure we can publicize this information and get it out into the community recalling this program the silver shuttle and it would offer free medical appointment rides to seniors people over the age of 60 using the van that we acquired from the pvta so I'm hopeful I am cautiously optimistic that our grant will go through there were there's a number of community needs that were prioritized in the grant and two of those were supportive services for seniors and transportation programs so we we hit two of the marks so again I'm cautiously optimistic about getting those funds yes Anne just a question how far if you're taking seniors to medical appointments how far out of Amherst can the van reasonably go to do that it's really gonna depend on the what rides are being offered at that time right so it will obviously concentrate within the sphere of Amherst and Northampton if we have the capacity to take somebody to say Springfield we'll certainly try to do that but we can't guarantee those kind of long trips because say if we have two people with appointments in the same day and one person's in Springfield and one person's in the Amherst and the third person calls and they need a ride you know we have to prioritize our resources to get the most value into the community so I would say to you you know well well if we can do it we will but this is a free service and we're going to have to just do the best we can and it'll you know it'll be new for a while at some point in time I I'd like to add from experience the PVTA ban van does not go up to Greenfield with elders and that's a consideration it will go to Springfield field long meadow east long meadow but it doesn't go to Greenfield so that's a consideration to keep in mind Tim is finally joining us he figured out what was wrong you want I'll tell you what what was wrong was it us yeah yeah it was okay and as a essence it was the town I never had a life or a license they never gave gave gave me a life or a license though I had to go go through IET for them to set it up and then I had to set up the account and then I had to get a path I never had one and I never needed one until now so anyway so that's what I thank you for joining us one of these things where the internet saves us all so much it truly does so we are all eagerly awaiting to hear from you Tim we are so excited to learn about our emergency options what I was told and what I want to hear is just what your concerns are I mean and that kind of kind of help help direct direct as I understand that you had that had some questions and concerns or things that you just weren't sure sure sure about I mean in general as I understand and stand it you know some folks were concerned about what happens if we have some type type of catastrophe and I guess that depends on what the incident is I mean I don't think we're going to get hit hit by by any of the media you know or anything like like like like that I don't don't think it's going to be a Armageddon I mean the things that we think think about here are generally weather related and that's and that's going to be snow or wind that type type of thing that that's going to have an effect generally on powerful power you know and then losing power that that's that's that's those are the things that we that we tend tend tend tend to to tend to expect and there's there's there are some some things some preventive things that that that are on the kind of on on go go go going with that I think you've seen down through the last few years of a of a of a resource as contract extracted with kind of companies to cut cut back tree trees and tree will tree tree limbs from power lines that's and they they learned or power power power company company's learned a lot from the storm of fall of 2011 you know we still had a lot of leaves on the trees but the biggest thing was that the limbs would extend through the wire wire wire through the lines and what they've done is constructed the effort to trim trim those back so that in any event of the heavy rain when snow those limbs don't come come come down down to down a pound pound power line so that that that's been a great great help and that's reducing the number of power out out out which is that that we've had in the last last last few years due due to storms you're still still going to have things things that break transform forms and that type type of thing but but but you know but in general what we look at and expect are storm related issues so but feel feel free to ask me anything almost yeah I would I would like to ask something yes ma'am well it's not a question as much as it is you said that we are generally more concerned with wind and you know rain and and snow yes but one of the things that I feel needs to be taken into consideration is flooding because it's happening everywhere we're in a valley and there's lots of water and this happened back when in the 30s and so you know even though it's not an immediate concern some things that have never happened that generally don't happen in new england like the tornado they do happen and a flood a flood could happen and so the thing is that what are the plans in case there would be flooding for the seniors in this town we have to look at those things and not assume that it's not going to happen it's not it's not that you assume something won't happen it's you have to have to you have to look at what what has the highest potential potential and flood flooding is low on is low on on on the on the list you you can have some low localized for flooding of creeks and streams and all that but not but those aren't going going to flood flood to the point where it's going to cause you know the damage that you saw say in Kentucky uh early this this this this year we're not what would you say in a flood flood plane a dangerous flood flood plane per per se and you talk about bab back in the 30s well that's that's where where where they came up came up came up with flood flood flood control measures that you see along the Connecticut Connecticut river river with dikes and that type type of thing but here here in town drainage is good we don't we don't have the threat of a large large river that's right and that that that run run run through town sure we have the mill mill river we have some some creeks and that type of thing but there there you know it would be the as i as i see it as i would call the end of the end of the end of the end of the if if if those those were to flood and and look and make it and and have and have us look again look look look like Kentucky did earlier this this year you know down down down downstream down down the road road road from us closer to to the Connecticut river yeah sure that you know you can have have some flood flooding there but it's not going to reach us here we again low low low low low low localized flood flooding here here here here in town where you're going to get your baby basement flood flood out or from uh from you know if if it was close to to to a stream stream or or one or one of the small small rivers okay sure but it's but it's going to be low low localized and it's not going to be long long long long lasting we've had i mean we've had uh since i've been here we've had this hurricane Irene uh yeah i forget the other one that that came came through and by by the time it got to us it was more of a tropical storm which in in itself can be a lot a lot worse because you just get a lot of rain day after day after day and even with that we didn't sustain any kind kind of kind of kind of kind of dangerous flood flooding here in green greenfield yes but they but they were right on there they're right or right on on a river but we we did didn't and we're a lot lucky like like like that we're at an elevation where it's not really going a river is not the Connecticut is not it's not going to go into us like this well i i think i think it's good that we think about the the masses of the people the population but when we look at the elderly population um i think it's important to to think uh in advance of it uh being something that would totally immobilize the masses i think we we look specifically or particularly at that population what happens if they are in that predicament well i guess again i i would say it would be quite low low low low low low localize you're not going to have masses of folks affected by that and that's something that we we that we we would tend to tend to tend to handle on on our own or with new mutual aid but you know you'd you'd you know again low low it it would be low localize and we would take steps steps to either uh protect protect some some someone in place or remove remove them from from the situation whatever whatever it takes we'll we'll we'll do it so but i i for flood flooding i just don't see the and and in our our history here history bears it out yeah i don't see masses of folks being as a sector affected by a flood flooding event i'm more concerned about a a a large snow snow snow snow event a cold cold a cold cold snap a pow pow pow pow pow out is those are the things that are that are prior priorities and we we've seen and we've got got the data data to show that those are the things that tend to hit hit hit us here and and that's and that's uh new new england that's that that's that's what what what we deal deal with there him could you address that because that has been a concern in particularly if there was an outage at the bang center right which is in your centers located and where food is distributed so what what would happen in the event that there was a i'm going to say a long-term outage or um you know the the bangs wasn't functional what then then we move we move then we you know um i always i always get it mixed mixed up we got we've got a we've got a gen gen mercedes generator at the town town hall and we don't at the banks i'll have to confirm confirm from that because we we ended up who'd bring bring a lot a lot of the mercedes had generated well per person and they have to be i told told told we're two thousand eleven storm because we we found out that that that was it was a week a week point in town but for that but for the banks if uh we what we we we do is just shift we we can shift we can shift shift shift shift the uh the responsibilities or do do do these are things that go on on there and spread spread spread it out through town in in places that have uh gen uh gen gen generator have power power we can do do that i mean one of the one of our prime prime locations is the is is the high the high the high high the high high school it's got that back back up power and it's got the room it's got the facilities that we we we can use we found that especially uh one of the things we found is during during the the high of the pandemic we were able to use that as a you use the schools of that vaccination site and we had to head as you know we and we found that we we we can bring in a lot of a lot of people and equipment and make make make it work so we could do the same in in any event of a long a long term power power outage and there's all kinds of other other things that we we we can do a long long term we can you can bring bring bring in poor for portable generation and i'm not talking about the ones you know the little ha ha ha and the ones that are you know that that you can around or you know pour around on your own i'm talking about large truck size but the generators that are in essence for portable and we you know the state the state is says set up to do to do to do to do that and if we felt that we're in that we're in that that that degree of harm we we we we we have have one broad broad and for critical edit for any critical need one of the the other things is we we work well with a resource we work with they're very well with them in the last six or six seven years the the relay relationship has improved and with that we've got really good community communication so we know what's coming down down down down down the pike they reach out if if they're seeing seeing trends and that that might affect us the other piece of this is that every every year we update a list of critical facilities that are at the top top of our priority priority priority list to be to have to have power to restore it to to to them and they're really good about about about about taking taking care of care of those issues so though the thing kind of a couple of things that that we've done done up front to prepare for the the if and when okay one of one of our concerns has been that the an elderly population tends to be more sensitive to extremes of heat and cold yeah our weather patterns are fairly changing and also it is more dependent sometime on electricity for things like CPAP machines or oxygen things like that so our concern was is there a public building now with a backup generator that somehow or other we've got to tell our population should something happen it's kind of too late to try to reach them on the phone or otherwise people really need to go when there is a need and as a council we're concerned with one whereas are we prepared and two how do we let people know in advance where they can go and three there are many people who can't get there on their own so can we plan that is comprehensive enough to sort of anticipate should there be a power outage during heat or cold let's say which you know we're all facing these current emergencies now can can we be helpful in some way to prepare in advance for an elderly population to have the information and what do we do to get them to the place that might be a life-saving place for them. I'll ask you all this for how many of you have signed up for the emergency alerts system that we have in town? I see two. I have no phone. What do you use to communicate? Yeah three actually yeah. I use email. It goes the phone either email whatever whatever you choose for at the transmit to. We push that again we push that so hard but folks tend not to pay attention to that unless something bad has happened. Then we'll see spikes in our sign sign sign sign sign sign. I would say first that's one thing to do you go right to the town town website and it's right there sign up for for that that's how we can that that's that's one of our best ways to get them a message out and we can focus as we can we can direct you know you know to certain certain groups sort of certain areas of town you know we can direct direct our message specific for that for that for that you know just to give to give folks folks more a warning so that so that's one I mean and yes that's about how would we transport transport folks if we needed to evacuate we have agreements with PVTA we use them in the past for we've had times where we had to had to evacuate folks because because of a fire we had to move move move folks from point A to point B we we have we have a like as I said an agreement agreement with with that well PVTA you you mask tran tran tran tran the tran to get get folks and move and move and move them to to a safe safe place um I forgot your third question that's for uh the first thing first thing you add you add you add right identification and try transportation communication and then the concern also is but I'm glad to know that the high school something as big as the high school has a backup generator yeah do we know how many people that might hold during the day and how many people it could hold if they had to be on cots overnight I couldn't I can't tell so I can't tell so I'll tell you that that number I don't don't don't know it's it's it's a lot a lot of big people the other piece and the other piece when I remember remember I talked talked about mutual aid one of the other things that that that we have is an agreement agreement with you you you you you mask to use the mow mow mullens which has backup power and in fact we had plans in in the event of a you know if the if the uh pandemic had really really gone gone nuts here we had we have we have a stock stock pile of cops and that types and all those types of things to put in the mow mow mullens to you to use that that that is part of the plan so there's a lot go go go going on out out out there but a lot of a lot of it too is you know is is to you know uh take take take care of of your yourself yourself as well because generally generally if there's a if there's a big emergency we are going to be tied up for the first few hours hours with folks that are in dire need we're going to have and and they're and they are going to be our priority you know uh like you know we want to make sure that that those those folks that are the most vulnerable vulnerable aren't aren't aren't aren't aren't harmed or aren't harmed and and and then they all they all they already are and the odds the odds are if we're if we're go go go go going through some big big emergency our surroundings surrounding surrounding area is at suffering the effects at the same time I thought talking about a big big storm so they're they're all you know even our mutual AA partners may not be be able to come to help help us because they're dealing with with their own issues and that's just just just the way way it is so for a time you're you're going to be on your own for the first few few few hours all right so one one of the things is um I believe we we we've had a head up on on on on our on the on the web on the town web website but we and it's and and if it's not not there I'll make sure it goes back is that how do how do you create an emergency kit kit kit kit for for your home and I'm talking you know flash flash flashlights batteries maybe some water blank blank blank blankets that type of thing for the winter the winter time if you lose pow pow pow power for x amount on the time and most most of the time you're safer to stay in your own your own your own your own home when you when you we call call call call a patata tech in place it you're you're you're generally going to be safer in your own your own home and more comfortable in your own own home might might be a little cool for for a little while but nothing but not not to the extent that you're going to be be be harmed you're safer in your own home unless the walls have come come come in or the seals seal or the roof has come come down but your safe safe safe safe safer there and that in itself allows us to help those folks that are in the dire need yes some of these folks in need are the ones who can't create their own safety I understand where you're speaking from from from an economical perspective from one angle but I think it's important to also for the town to put itself in the place of of people who cannot who you know cannot cannot be that dismissive with a social work background who's who's who's being dismissive well you may not mean to be dismissive but the tone of the conversation is yeah tough you know if you can't if you can't take care of your own self and what I'm saying what I'm saying what I'm saying is excuse me I I just want to finish I just want to finish yes and I don't mean to I don't mean to be insulting but as a 74 year old woman and as one who pretty much lives by myself thinking about that just makes me shudder I have to admit it and I know that you don't mean any harm I know in my heart I believe you don't mean any harm but I I I I I've been in I've been in towns that had much much weaker budgets who had the compassion from an Appalachian community to urban communities and there's somehow something that there there's a deep involvement and a sense of commitment to the elders well that's what we we have I've dedicated my career to taking care of people period that's what we do do here but there's also you've got to deal with with the reality of this is situation we are going to take care of those that need need help most and we're going to take care of them first my my point is you might be one one of those people which means that we are going to take care of you first part part of this too is that we need to know who the who those folks are we don't have you know we have you we have a repository added in our dis dispatch that when an address comes comes comes up if we've found something where some someone has mobility issues or there's access issues or something like that then we it comes up and and we're aware aware of that we don't have a a good good way to gather that data right right now that some something that I've kicked kicked kicked kicked around for a while how to you know and through who is it through the health health department it's just for the county council on aging aging to find those though you know to get to get the data the data on folks and put it some somewhere where we we we can access it and just and just be aware of folks who may be our part of our threatened community community that's something that that we can we can work work work work on but the reality is is that to some to agree some folks who have the ability are going to are going to be on their own for a while we can't be everywhere we are going to try we're going to try like why try to try like hell but to but you know in in a widespread emergency we have to prioritize most folks are going to be on their own for a short short while relatively short short short short while okay but I I take I take I take an issue with with with the state state statement that this is dismissive this is real this is the this is ideal in real hour hour hour hours and some sometimes those those aren't they aren't that nice okay but we do the best we can for the most for the most most most most most folks the most few people that is that is a safe for us to say is a safe sacred trust all right but I I will not accept that we are that we have the least bit to dismisses or or don't care enough about certain parts of the power power power population we care about everybody we do the best we can for as many as many folks focus we can and so but you know and again it's a communicate occasion we need to know who who those folks folks are who may may may be threatened or may have issues that that that we don't know know about that could affect them in the event of an emergency so yes yes ma'am Christina do you want to go first yeah I really I wanted to just minutes ago Mr. Tim Nelson I went and I googled sign up for the civic alert yep and I am telling you that I am no I am not illiterate when it comes to technology and just to find that link it was holy hell I'm sorry that I have to use that language well that's well that's well that's good for me to know if there if there if there's an issue with it and it's not easy easy easy easy to add to access I can talk talk talk that's what I'm trying to do so just let me finish for a minute okay okay there's no accusation here no no no I know that I know that I know that it's just looking at ways to improve things absolutely for example as we approach the winter and as we do that that alert needs to be in my view on the website where we can find it it's buried in different links and it needs to be where we can immediately access it because if I can't do it within a reasonable amount of time I know that the people that uh let you know computer digital technology challenged I'm not going to be able to do that so no I mean and that what well I get what I what I like what I like to say all all all all time around around here is if I don't know know it I can't fix it so so this so this is good I mean this is good I didn't know no there was an issue so we did that and that's something that we we can fix like that and I can also put it on the senior center page too right and we can certainly put it up there as well to reiterate that and I and I and I would reach out to so it's all all all all your your cohorts so to let to tell tell them and and encourage them to sign up for for for the alerts the more the better the better and you know there's no there's no no such thing in this in this case is too much information um the other thing mr. Nelson is there are a lot of excellent links with things that tell us what to do in case there's an outage or everything again on a website when things are buried buried deep people cannot find them especially individuals that have problems with their eyes problems with their hearing problems with you have to put it where the elderly can find it and the senior center can as we approach the winner also put it this is the link this is what you do if there's an emergency and the light score it's all there but I have to dig you have to dig you have to dig okay and you shouldn't have to dig it should should be since the census is simple to hack to access sure so I I'm truly very relieved to know that the high school and the mullen center that you have an arrangement with the mullen center that they have a backup generator um it it makes me feel that indeed we're prepared the one piece that we don't have is this communication piece it's only and it yeah it has to be in advance like kind of everybody knows and so I think because what I do is communication I think that we could be at least I might be helpful to you in finding ways that a variety of ways to communicate to people that got their back because clearly and that's no until you spoke tonight that we had that arrangement so I think everybody has to know that we have a department that's got their back yeah and I and I guess I I need to depend on you to get to get the word word out I mean well communication back up communication is is is to it's got to be two two ways all right so again as I know as I said if I don't know it I I can't can't fix it but also I need I need you know I need help and assistant to under understand the best way to communicate to whatever population we we have a how how out there what is the best the best way to get to get the point point point point points across you know that that type type of thing that okay yeah you're going to get drafted okay one more thing that I yes ma'am wasn't really part of I mean I was the one who brought up the business of a resilience center and eating and pulling but But as long as we've got you and got your attention, something else came to me and that was, I've had to call 911 a couple of times in the past couple of years. I've had to call them for my husband, but because I'm ambulatory and was able to get to the front door and unlock it, your guys were able to come in and they were wonderful and they're life-saving and great. But it occurred to me that if I were alone and couldn't get to the door to unlock it. So I happened to be in the wonderful position of being able to afford to go out and buy a lock that's a push button number lock and hire a locksmith to install it. I'm thinking of all of the people who haven't thought, well, I've never had an emergency before, but I do remember my mother-in-law having four different doors to her house all locked. Of course. Which one should we break down to get to her? She's lying on the floor with a broken head. What door do we break down? So that's another thing, communication thing that maybe we need to get out there and tell the people, hey, are you prepared? Yeah, I know. You know, heal me and I are chomping at the bit here to address that. Hey, let's go. We have a program. We have a program. We have assault council, which is seniors and law enforcement together. And one of the programs they offer is a lock box. So you can get a free lock box installed on your door. So when a firefighter or a police officer shows up, they have a code. They do not have to break down your door. They can unlock it. Did I do good, Tim? Yeah, you did. All right. And very well. Thank you. We work with the, it's working with the Hampshire County Sheriff's Department. In fact, one of the big guys is Dave, Dave, Dave, Sam, Sam, Sam. Great, great guy. But that's one of those big things. You put your keys in that lock box. We're the only ones that have the code and bang, we're in, not an issue. But that's one of those things we need to get out, get out in the world. Get that word out. How many people, how many residents of Amherst have signed up for that? A ton, a ton have, but we still, but there are still more as well. You didn't, you weren't aware where the program. There are still more out there that aren't. And I guess that kind of goes back to what I had said about, you know, we need to know from you, what is the best way and the most efficient and effective way to get the word out to your compatriots? How do we get that out? And if you don't know, we also install the numbers. Have you ever seen those metals? Yes, we do that as well. I do know about that. My experience is that people can hear about a program like that and they don't, they aren't really relating their need to it. One really has to start with, what if you were in your, you know, the TV ads, I've fallen and I can't get up. Everybody knows those ads. Yep. We perhaps need to think about using, you know, the public service announcements and things of that sort, making something a little bit dramatic. I've fallen and I can't get up and I've called 911 and they can't get in, you know. We'll get in. No, no, no. My point is not that you will or won't. But in terms of getting people interested in the fact that you have a program and they could get in, I think we have to, I think we have to communicate with them in such a way that they, that we get, first, we get their attention and two, we get them to imagine that indeed it's their problem. Right. Yes. I mean, yeah, it can be done, sure. Yeah. It doesn't do it. Yeah, I mean, it can, it can be done. The other, the other, what's, what's, what's stuff is one of the things that you, you said earlier, you know, folks don't think it's going to happen to them. So it's hard without beating someone over the head to, you know, to get, to convince, to do things that are good, that are for their own, their own safety and protection. I mean, that, and by, by saying that, I don't mean we don't try. I think you got, you got a couple of good ideas here that I wrote down that, yeah, we need, we need to find ways to get that message out. And, you know, because it's really about, it goes back to what I had said, what we're about is taking care of folks. And for me, it's, it means we, you know, we take care of each other and that's what we do. So. I could help you with some public services. Well, actually, Christina has her hand up, but before we go too far, I've actually been talking to Captain Kennedy about doing some, some new PSAs for the fire department. So that is actually on my radar to do something targeting seniors. So spoiler alert, I want to make that happen. And he's been fantastic. I've, I've got your whole catalog of PSAs in my office. Yeah, you know, and one of the keys there is that, you know, the boss support supports that stuff, you know, and I'm, and I'm, I'm, I'm going to spend other people's money to get it done. But yeah, not really. I mean, that's, I mean, you got to believe, believe, believe in that, in that, in that, in that kind, kind, kind, kind of thing in order to get it done. So, and as, as, as he, he, he always said, Captain Kennedy is one of my guys at one of my really good guys at that, that type, type, type of thing. So we're, you know, we'll, we'll get it done. But again, again, it's a whole communication piece. We need to know what is the best way to get that message on. So maybe we can keep working. Hold on, Christina's had her hand up. Well, here's the thing. We have two people on this committee that are on Amherst neighbors. That's definitely a group that you can get the information out to. You can put a flyers in the Amherst bulletin because people like the Amherst bulletin and they look forward to getting it. You can use the senior citizen newsletter. And as Haley said, she's gonna have some, it looks sounds like it's gonna be info sessions to alert people about what's available in the event of an emergency. And I'm assuming that if it's a state emergency that the governor will call a state emergency and give people instructions and they will send the reservist to help the towns out that need it the most based on priority as you stated. So what we're talking about is if something happens locally because if it happens statewide that response system is already in place. And other people are in charge of it and then they will communicate with you as a technical about how to proceed. But we're talking about basically getting the word out. And those are the places that I think it would be important to reach this population. You can also use the Meals on Wheels folks. Drop off a meal, drop off a flyer. It doesn't even have to be a flyer. It could be like a cardboard that says put this on your refrigerator. This is what you would do if there was an emergency. Sure. Those are all great ideas. And the key is getting the word word out and how you get the word out in such a way that it's efficient, but more and more so effective. But no, this is good stuff. As I said, that was the third or fourth time. If I don't know it, I can't fix it. Are there any final questions or comments? Because we want to be respectful of the chief's time and also- I've got time. I've got time. I've got, I have time. I love doing this kind of. I said to say to Hayley, I prefer to do this in person. But no, this is, I like doing this. Well, we'll have you back for sure. Okay. So, but yeah, yeah, but ask me whatever. I've got as much time as you need to need before. Thank you. I don't have any. No, thank you, geez. Thank you, Tim. No, no, thanks, thanks a lot. And I just want to say, you know, there's me, but I've got a whole ton, ton, ton of folks here who have dedicated, hated their lives and careers that taken care of all of you. All right, that's what we do. This is, I've always said, I've said for years and then even more, more so now, this is a, there's no other job where, where we're folks will invite, invite complete strange strangers into their homes and ask them to fix it. They will, folks will entrust us, folks that they've never met or met before, but they will entrust us with their most proud and precious possessions, which is most of the time it's a family member. And there's nothing in the world like that where you have the opportunity to be the best part of someone's day and fix it. And that's special. And these folks here are special. What we do is important, important, important. There's nothing like it in, in, in, in, in the world. I have said since my first day on the job that this is the best job in the world because we get to take care of people. And that's- You're our heroes. What do we do? We're great. We're great. We're grateful you will do that. We're, we're, we're okay. And I appreciate that. But I always, I always remind, I remind our folks that what we do is special, is special. And it means a lot to people. Even, you know, we have all these great, we have all of these great equipment, training bells and whistles and all, and all that. But sometimes, you know, we do, we'll go on calls where we know, you know, there's really not, not, not, not an emergency, but just, you know, someone wants to talk to talk to some, some, somebody. And I've, I mean, since my first day here, as chief, I said, take the time. It's okay. You know, cause again, we might be the best part of some, some, some one's day. So you've got to, you got to take, take that to heart every time you go out the door. So that just means a lot. It means a lot, a lot to me. It means a lot to a lot to the, the souls. And you all mean a lot to us. So, but that's, that's, that's, that's all I've got. So- Thank you very much. Thank you. Take care. We'll see you soon. Be good. Bye. What a nice guy. He gave us lots to think about. I think there's lots of things we can do as a council and senior center to help support and spread the word and educate seniors. So that was awesome. Yeah. Okay. Tim is great. Yeah. And I think it points to the critical importance of partnering. There's an African proverb that says three hits are better than one. And when even organizationally speaking, when we speak through the voice of one, we're missing something. And when we speak through the heads of the partners, you pick up all those ideas. Very true. And very good. One quick question that I've got. I don't know if anybody's got the answer to it. Maybe Tim did. I don't know. Is there a preferred radio station that the town communicates with in cases of emergencies? The school uses two or three for the snow. Oh, okay. Good. Which is that? Two or three different radio stations, but I don't know which ones they are though. I think one is HMP. It's been a while since we were in school, so I, but we could certainly research that and maybe list that in a future newsletter, Hailey. I think so because in the event of a really legit power outage and an awful lot of the people that Jacqueline was talking about may not be all that digitally conversant. And that kind of information might at least empower many of them and encourage many of those folks. I am one of them to always have a battery powered radio in the house, which it's out on the deck in the summertime. But if my power goes out in the middle of January, it comes out. And it's probably a good thing to happen. Maybe the information about those radio stations, we could also distribute and just to reinforce so that we'll get the information out because we've got some really nice information today about the message, which I thought was great. But communication is key and to keep it as rudimentary as possible in the event of an emergency is a really good thing to do. Hey, would you do that? Please be sure that you use the call numbers of the station rather than W-H-O-D-E because nobody knows what number to choose. Yeah. Thank you for that. Very true. Very true. Thank you. And a 9.5 or whatever. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So we have five minutes left. So I am wondering, Haley, do you wanna wrap up your update or should we jump right to the approval of minutes? I'll just really quick highlight the fact that the Mass Councils on Aging is offering a grant opportunity called the Service Incentive Grant. Applications are due at the end of this month and councils on aging can request up to $8,000 for programs that are either related to community outreach or respite services for caregivers. And I certainly intend to apply for some funding for outreach. We've been talking a lot about how do we get the word out about the senior center? How do we get the word out to people in the community who don't know about all the great programs we offer? So I will be applying for funds and hopefully they're gonna be awarding 22 grants. So I'm hoping that we can be one of the 22. Awesome, great, great, all right. Let's take a look at the minutes from the September 22nd meeting. Hopefully everybody's had a chance to review them. Are there any changes that need to be or edits that need to be made? I take that as a no. That's a no. I'm quick on the uptake. There you go. All right, can we have a roll call vote on, or not roll call, but vote on the accepting of the minutes? Move. Move the favor, say I. I move that we accept that month's minutes. Second. I move that we accept that month's minutes. Second. Jared. There we go. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay, splendid. September minutes are approved. Okay. October. Chad, would you like to propose we accept October minutes? Didn't we just do that? We did. September. September. We had two months. Okay. Would somebody like to propose that we? The October minutes. I move. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Awesome. October minutes are approved. Okay. Now, do we have Dick Yorga? Dick Yorga. Don't see him. I don't believe he's here. The audience. If anybody, I can give one update on the friends. If anybody knows someone with an accounting background who is looking to donate their time to be on our board, we would love to have them. We are in, I don't want to say desperate, we're in a really critical need for somebody who can help act as treasurer of the Friends of the Amher Senior Center. Our current treasurer is probably in the process of moving cross country. It's not going to be feasible for her to keep up her responsibilities. And so we really need to get someone in who can help with the books. There's also a very similar need on the Salt Council as well. So whoever would possibly come forward for one might possibly also be able to come forward or the other just trying to be lucky here. Yeah. Okay. Okay, all right. I would like to say something about the Friends or the Amherst neighbors. You know, Terry, who used to be at our meetings. Linda Terry. Linda Terry. Does everybody know that she passed away? No. She passed away a couple of weeks ago. Yes, I got the notice. Oh, okay. Where'd you get the notice from? From the Amherst neighbors. Oh, okay. I'm not on the neighbors. I saw it in the paper. I saw it in the paper as well. That's right. I forgot about that. Yeah. She died at the hospice, but I couldn't just tell people because... Right, because she's been on our meetings as a guest many times. I just wanted you all to know that she did pass away. Thank you. Yes. My sympathy to her family. Yeah. That's a sad note. Our next item is topics not reasonably anticipated by the chair, 48 hours in advance of this meeting. Well, I guess that's me. I don't have any. Excuse me, chair. Mm-hmm. You can call me Jean. Okay, Jean. At the next meeting, I propose that we have a moment of silent in respect of Terry's memory. Yes. When we start the meeting, because she really, she was a worker. She was a worker bee. She worked hard on behalf of the seniors. How do you feel about doing it tonight? Yeah. Before we sign off? Yes. So, Jackie, do you wanna lead it for us, please? Jacqueline. Jacqueline, I'm sorry. Yes. We lift up our hearts. We lift up our spirits. We lift up our memories for one whose memory will always be with the people whose lives that she has touched might her family be consoled and comforted by those memories that they have. And when they need to have a connection with the memory, may they remember to touch base with somebody at the senior center. We lift these prayers up, we lift these thoughts up and we lift up these memories. Amen, amen, amen. Amen. Thank you, Jacqueline. Thank you. That was lovely. Sadly, I never knew the woman, but I... I didn't either. It's really touched by the kindness that you all expressed for her. And I can only imagine how many lives she touched by the good work that she did. So, thank you all. Yeah. Yeah. Be what we know. I mean, she helped resettle an Afghan family with the Jewish community of Amherst. She's been active in a great many organizations. We're more than active. She's taken on a leadership role. She will be missed. Yes. I didn't know her, but there's that spot. Just listening to you, that touched me. May her life be an inspiration to the rest of us. That's right. We continue to... Well said. Do the great work. Well said. Thank you, Jacqueline. Okay. I think our next meeting is Thursday, December 8th. And at five o'clock in the meanwhile, we will have a couple of holidays. I hope you all get a chance to enjoy time with family and friends. And hope we all can remember to honor our veterans this weekend that served us so honorably. Yes. Any final questions or comments? I really enjoyed the fire chief. He had so much knowledge. He did a good job. Never knew, you know. Thank you for bringing him on. Oh, yes. Yeah. We'll have to have him again. Thank you. Yes, we will. He definitely is a wealth of information. Yeah. And he's got a lot of good jokes. Yes. And he's passionate about his work. He was my grandfather and my uncle were a fireman. So I know how important it is. Yeah. Well, they do risk their lives every day. They do. Yep. Yep. Thank you. Thank you. I have family members who are firefighters. Yeah. See you all next month. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you all. Bye. Take care, everyone. Bye. Thank you, everyone. Bye-bye. Bye.