 Okay, hello and welcome. I'm having a catch up with Nayan Patel, who is a student who previously did our summer analyst training program back in the summer of 2021 and has now gone on to secure a role as an internship at HSBC in the global markets division. But before we delve into that in a bit more detail. Hi Nayan, thank you very much for joining me and perhaps we could start with a little bit about a little bit about you really your background where you from and what are you studying at uni and take it from there. All right. So, I actually so I'm at Queen Mary University of London and I study mechanical engineering, which I know it's a bit strange, because I know I'm getting into finance. So, in terms of my sort of interest for finance, it all started towards my GCSE period, and during that time I did a couple insight days, gathered up a bit of work experience but I had no idea about spring weeks, internships, grad roles. And that only sort of kicked in when I got into uni and it was my first year. And I remember missing sort of most the deadlines for spring weeks. And so I thought the next best option was to apply for some of your internship. So in 2020 I started applying for internships, and I was just receiving rejection after rejection and we're all for a trading position. And I remember applying with a two page CV. And so it wasn't going that great and the way I found out how amplifiers actually by accident. I, one day I actually got a bit fed up thinking I was just getting rejected from everything and I just typed into Google trading internship and amplifiers one that came up. And then from there I remember speaking to Eddie about the course, and he was telling me about the asset management bootcamp. And so that's how that sort of started off and then after that period to this was 2021. In January time I had an assessment center with Deutsche Bank for trading and I remember going to the assessment center did not go that well. I didn't get the offer, but what I was told in terms of feedback I lacks lots of technical knowledge and business acumen. So that that sort of happened and Eddie then emailed me after to say there was one space left on the asset management bootcamp if I was interested so I thought I'd give that a go. And if I like that then I'll do the program. And so I did I did the bootcamp and I was, I was amazed by like how great the simulation was how like realistic it was how much fun. And the pre learning videos as well. I remember sort of learning exactly sort of what an economy is which is quite strange because I studied mechanical engineering I've never been taught any sort of finance knowledge or have had sort of basic finance knowledge so the videos really sort of just broke it down right from the basics. Yeah, so I did so I did the asset management bootcamp and I remember learning more about the summer program there. And then from there that's when I went in and I paid for the program that started, I think it was seventh of June. Yeah, so that's how I sort of going to amplify. Yeah, and then from the actual, your time then, yeah, amplify what was anything that kind of sticks in your mind that was particularly useful that when you're applying then for subsequent interviews thereafter and getting this roller HSBC. The biggest thing I found useful from amplify was the simulations. And that's because we're going into, and going into the amplify course I wasn't quite sure if I wanted to work on the buy side of the sales side, and I wasn't quite sure what sort of trading I want to do whether it be a market making role or sales trading role. But I remember when I did, I think it's the, I think it's the flow trader simulation you start off with first. It was quite challenging but I really enjoyed it and I really, I really enjoyed how fast paced it was. And I enjoyed both the market making side as well as the sales trading side where I was talking to the clients, which was a, which is quite, it was quite interesting as well. And I think the asset management simulations as well so that sort of gave me an insight into both sort of streams buy side and sell side. And I think after that that's when I sort of understood what I was getting myself into. And it also helped with understanding some of the job descriptions because I remember this time around when I went to apply for internships and reading job descriptions I literally understood exactly what they were talking about. And I also understood the word trading and sending off an application. So I'd say that is probably the biggest highlight the flow trader simulation. And I'll say one other important thing would probably be the equity research report that I think I did as a group in the first week. When I did that simulation, I didn't really enjoy it. And looking back now it was probably one of the most useful simulations I've done and that was just because the team I was working with, we were all across the world so it was a global team. You had these sort of issues of time zones. So that was a sort of good challenge as well you learn basic corporate finance you learn how to sort of conduct your own DCF presentation skills. So it was one that sort of had lots of skills that you could talk about in an interview and I remember bringing that that simulation up lots of different times in an interview as well. So those are probably the biggest highlights for me from the course. So like the global markets, you know you talked about your kind of your main interest in that and that's obviously where you're going to be heading but was that always quite because in my mind I kind of think mechanical engineering, probably much more numerical bit more structured logic in their thinking, probably more M&A IBD type characteristics perhaps without finance and as a skills, but you sound quite enthusiastic about the market side. So was that, I mean, was that always the case or it wasn't always the case actually. So before I did the course, I knew that I, I sort of did have an interest for training but I did also have an interest for investment banking, the M&A side and I wasn't too sure what I want to do but I thought I'd give trading a go see how that sort of plays out and I really applied to both so trading roles as well as roles in investment banking and so again I wasn't quite sure what I was getting myself into. And I remember often doing the course doing the M&A simulation, the IPS simulation, the equity research report. That's sort of understood that I didn't really enjoy the investment banking side in terms of looking at in terms of M&A equity research that sort of side and I really enjoyed a role that was very, very fast paced very exciting. That was challenging. So that's what sort of steered me towards global markets and trading. And you're still at uni, right? It's still to complete your degree. So how do you now balance your kind of studies with your trying to keep up with markets? So with that I've actually, so after I finished the course, I got in the habit of watching the daily briefing every day, but just about every day. And so normally in the mornings, before I start my day, before I start going to uni, going to any lectures, that's the first thing I normally get into, I watch or I read, go on the FT, read a few articles, watch Bloomberg for a while. That's how I sort of tie it into my day. And especially with these sort of newsletters you send out every day with the main market headlines that I sort of read whenever it pops up. I think that's the way I sort of manage it by making sure I still keep up to date with all the financial news every day, but I don't sort of spend the whole day doing that. I just do it in the morning when I'm free, and then I can focus the rest of the day on my uni, my uni work or perhaps any interviews. Yeah. And just any, any tips for I guess people going through the process because you mentioned Deutsche Bank, and you mentioned that that didn't go as perhaps as planned. So you saw some remedies there about getting some more training and things like that, but just now in hindsight, now that you've kind of secured this upcoming internship in the summer of 22. Is there anything now that if someone was to ask you who's quite raw, what's the best steps that you'd recommend. So if you go through interviews, just be yourself and understand what's going on in the markets because I think that's one thing and everyone talks about in interviews they always ask you a question about what's going on in markets what what your views are. Is there a story you're following so I'd say keep up to date as much as you can with what's going on in the markets because even if you don't sort of understand just about every sort of technical aspects, if you can speak about a story even following that there's a lot of commitment it shows that you still have a bit of passion towards the role. And I think with the technical side of I say the best thing to do that is for you learn. I think amplified did this for me anyway but learns or basic finance, how to read sort of a balance sheet how to understand lots of corporate finance terms as well as, for example, what cash flow is. And aspects like that because they become very handy when it comes to case study interviews as well where they present you with a bunch of information you've just got to understand that I think it's in like 30 minutes or something, and then present it back to the interviewer. So I'd say that's that and definitely be confident about what you're talking about as well. And, yeah, just, I think, yeah, those are those are probably my tips. Yeah, cool. Well look, good way to finish then with some some good advice and thank you for taking the time out to talk. Yeah, all the best with the upcoming internship at HSBC and keep in touch. Thank you. Thank you.