 Yeah, I can see it. Can you hear me? I can hear you, buddy. Can you see me? I can see you. I'm sorry about that. You always look great, man. You know what? It's funny. I was going to put this on my big computer here. And it said, well, you have to get another app. So I just got here. I've been working on it for 10 minutes. It's like dribbling through this. But anyway, so here I am, dude. The return of Greg Rowley. He's been on three times. What's that? Let me get this up. Here we go. There you go. Yeah. Look at that wood ceiling. That looks beautiful. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Is that your house or studio? Which part? What did we show you? The wood behind you. What is that? This used to be, I recorded, I practiced to do Ringo in this loft. It was a guest house, which is now my daughter's house. And my office was up here. My office now is dwindled down to a cabinet. What used to be my office. You know, I'm barely keeping this alive. Thank God I have my brain together for a second to keep it going. But anyway, so that's where I am. And the studio is right across the way, which you will see when you come out here to ride the motorcycle that we got for you. Yeah. I'm about to block in that trip. I need to come hang out with Greg Rowley and do some dirt bike riding and hanging. Yeah. Yeah. What else is it, right? It's so true, you know, because I'm going to do it in the next two months. I'm like, no, I got to do this, you know. Yeah. Well, you had a pretty incredible weekend, a strange weekend. I'm sure it had to be strange after the long, you know, weird go around in the press and everything of like, Greg Rowley, he's going to be joining the band. Oh, wait a minute. No, back and forth, back and forth. But I had secretly kind of known for a while that you were going to do at least Austin, right? That's kind of where it ended up. I mean, Neil called me about doing this a while back. And we just went through it over and over and over and with the lawsuits that are going on. I mean, if you don't know about those lawsuits, you're living under a rock. And so I'm quoting somebody else that said that's really true. It's everywhere. And, you know, they had their own problems and it's like, that was it. And I can't be a part of that. I'm not part of the band anymore and all that. But to go and celebrate this 50 years of which I said in the speech that I gave about it. I told Neil, okay, when I get up there, I got about a 30 second speech. It's all I want to do, but I'm happy to be here. And, and journey is like a runaway freight train with no brakes. It just keeps going and going with people coming in and out and in and out and they do. And that's it. It's true. And thanking all the guys for getting it that far. I was there for eight years, built it to that. And, you know, Perry came in and then John after that and they carried this on to great lengths that I never thought would exist. I mean, you can't, I don't have a crystal ball. I don't know what's going to happen. So it was, it was great to do. And I, they arranged it really well where it actually became like an encore. And it was very cool. A lot of fun. I had a ball. I had a blast. He had 37 minutes of just incredible mess, you know, and at any point, how does, first of all, let's get into this. At any point, were you going to do the whole tour or was Neil just saying that out in the press or what was going on there? We'll never know. I mean, I practice a lot of stuff. For me, it was kind of like, you know, journey through time. You saw that. Yeah. And so it was kind of like that for me. So I went over the journey through time stuff that I had. And I did that for a while and then it just kind of dwindled down to other things and that's fine. And then ended up being an awesome and that was fine with me as long as it happened the way it did. And just honest to God, like this business is it just kind of meanders into whatever it's going to be. Just be ready for it. So I had practiced all this stuff and then finally it came down to certain amount of songs. And I didn't know that it was going to be the way I was done. They had me do anyway one at the end. I thought I was going to show up somewhere in the middle. Right. I did. I thought I'd show it in the middle of the journey because journey is journey now. I was just there because from 1973 on I was there for eight years. And then it's gone on 40 afterwards. It's like 42 years after that. That's incredible. How many bands, how many bands do you know that go through these kind of turmoil, this kind of turmoil and still continue? That's what's amazing to me. It's still continuing and journey has become journey. Yeah. Household name and it goes through changes all the time. It's amazing. It is amazing because it's a lot like kiss where it was kind of burned down to the ground. You know, pre-arnal like kiss, you know, kiss was, you know, they're drawn smaller and smaller to where they were almost into clubs. And then of course they put the makeup back on and get the original guys in 96 again and bring it back up. But we're journey, you know, they had Jeff Scott Soto. They had the guy before him. And then they had, I mean, they get Arnell, they get some Oprah Winfrey press. Next thing you know, they're coming out of the ashes and then, you know, the Sopranos gets the big song at the end of the entire series. And so there's these weird magic bumps that kept them in the game. And without the songs, they would not even be in the game. You know, that's the key. Actually, I think more than the key, that key, which is true on the side of the musician. It's as I put it in Hall of Fame and that night in Austin, this is all about fans. Fans love the music. They live with it. You know, it becomes a part of them. They go through changes with it, you know, in their lives and things that pick them up. I get texts all the time about that. Your music saved me from this and it makes me happy here. Sometimes it makes me sad because of their own lives. And that says a lot. You know, music is supposed to be whether it makes you angry, happy, complacent, melancholy, whatever. It's got to make you do something. Because that's what it's for. It's supposed to make you feel something, joy, peace, whatever. And Journey has pulled that off through many, many, many songs through different people. And it was kind of the proof in Austin. It was like they were blown away. Man, I couldn't even go to the grocery store after this. People go, man, I saw that. Yeah, but I got to go get some avocados. I'm sorry. You know, Journey to Me is a lot like Death Leopard to me. Where Death Leopard to me, those first couple of records have this core cult following that really love them. And then there's this giant hysteria on and crowd that doesn't know about the early Death Leopard or doesn't really listen to it much. With me with Journey, those first four, you know, the debut all the way up to Infinity. This is some of the most incredible rock I've heard in all my life. I've always loved your voice and you are an absolute God to me. So when I hear you with Neil, the chemistry is mind boggling. And like that night in Austin, I watched it like three times and I watched Journey through time. This is a whole different thing, man. And what feels to me is just feels so organic. That's what it is, you know? You two step on. You were kids when you were making music and here you are 50 years later. Yeah, yeah. It's a funny thing. It's like riding a bicycle. You know, I get to sit there and start playing with Neil because we built this stuff. We built this music and played. We would have been a jam band had it been later in life. We'd be out there with Dave Matthews and Fish and things like that. We were playing out of time stuff and across the bar and all that. And you just remember, if you're with somebody that long and building music, it's funny. You come back to it with that person. It's like riding a bike. You just play with each other and it's the same. It's just like when Luke came up and played on Black Magic Woman, he came up and played. Well, I did it with him for seven years with Ringo. And it was the same. It's like, I know what you're going to do. Even though he throws wrenches in there all the time, but you pay attention. And it's great though. And it's kind of what's lacking. Also, at the end of that show, we went to the hotel and went into the bar. And this young girl comes up shaking because I've never seen anything like this. I mean, she had to be in her 20s. They don't play music like this anymore. I said, yeah, no, not quite. Not quite. Well, I will tell you this. I've seen thousands of shows and that's no exaggeration. And in the top 100 of those was Journey Through Time just in a few years ago. And when I went, I still talk about it over and over and over. I'm just like, man, you don't even know how incredible this concert was. It was just pure soul and history. And that was a little shed of it right there that I hope that if Journey Through Time ever happens again, that the people that see the Austin clips go, wow, we got to go see that because there was plenty of Journey Through Time clips. And I felt like people weren't talking about this enough. I was like, you don't understand how great this is, man. It's a punch in the face. Yeah, it shows the true history. And that's why we chose what we did when I talked to Neil about it. So we got to do it all the lifetime. He could have said it or I could have said it. It didn't matter. We knew that. That song always got people off their feet going, what was that? For some reason or another, it just does. And then Close Home with Black Magic Woman was bringing it back to Santana, which he was in. I mean, we could play the Santana songs that he played solos on that Carlos got credit for. He was there. He did it. As he put it, I picked him up from high school. He wasn't going to high school. He was sitting in the quad with a guitar. And we went to Santana Recording Abraxas. And he jammed with us and stuff and that's where that started. So, I mean, literally, I've known him since he was 15 years old. It was a long time. And to get back to that, it's a long time. But the music part of it is like, you don't forget how you felt when you were playing with someone. I don't know why. I would never ask why. I don't care. It's like you just sit down. Same thing with playing with Santana. We did Santana 4. It was the same. It was like, there is that energy. Where does this come from? You just read each other and like just happened. Yeah. Yeah. How does it go down? You guys finally get into the song selection just the same way of a lifetime, feeling that way anytime into Black Magic Woman. You guys figure that out. There's going to be a chunk in there that the audience obviously doesn't know. A lot of people, you know, they're there for the don't stop believe-ins. Was there other songs? Did you guys rotate in and out? Like, how about this? The emails back and forth. How did that selection go down? I suggested, you know, let's do another lifetime in Black Magic Woman because we played it with Journey Through Time. And we did it totally different. It was lighter, bluesier, and it was really cool and different. And then when they were, he goes, that's a great idea. And then they rehearsed it up like the original. I said, well, let's do it that way then. Whatever. But let's just go have a good time. The whole point is music is supposed to make, like I said, it's supposed to bring something out of you. And I couldn't get the grin off my face and neither could Todd, the bass player, Jason, the keyboard player, looking at me going, oh man, this is alive. This music was alive. And it was. It just was great. And again, it's like, it's the reaction from the crowd. When you play music and the reaction from the crowd is high. You get higher when you're playing. And then they get higher again. And then you just, it's a toss-off. But it takes that to make it that exciting. What was the soundcheck like? I mean, because we know there's just this internal civil war going on in the band. Was the soundcheck a weird vibe? Was Arnell, and was he there? And what's going on? You know, Jonathan Key, you there? I didn't feel any of that. I went on to say hello, John. He goes, yeah, hi, how are you doing? Went on to play. And actually, for me, the soundcheck, for me, but what I played and what I sang and everything was better than the show. Wow. You know, it's my own personal, personal thing. And I told, I called it the matinee. Why are we doing the matinee? I'm going to be burnt out by the time we get to the show, you know. And so, but I couldn't stop. So I let it fly. It was just fun to do. And like I said, that's what it's supposed to be. It wasn't, it wasn't every day for journey either. And so it was something to look forward to is totally different and all that. And, and we kind of knew what we were doing with it. It's always pod luck. You don't know they might have gone boy, why are you playing this? Well, we only have one guy. One guy that's made comment about putting black magic woman in there. Well, why not? Yeah, yeah, we did that when we were young. Well, that's the birth seat of journey, you know, Santana, like somebody that doesn't see that as just dumb, you know. Well, everything only takes one to come up with something with, I don't know, you know, nameless, faceless people. They can say anything they want. That's fine. I, you know, that's your opinion. It's okay. But I can tell you, there's people that I saw were blown away along with me. I had a ball. Oh my God. Now, was that your hammer down there? Was it rented? How did that go down? No, that's mine. I told, no, gotta have mine. It's a brand new one. It's the old ones always failed. And in fact, I did this with Ringo. I had, I bought that one where I actually, I got endorsed by Hammond and they gave it to me. And it, I said, well, I got to sit in here. And instead of going through three organs at the show before I can pick one that's not broken somehow. Yeah, let's use this one. Let's take this one out. And because it's bulletproof, it's not tube driven. It just sounds. It's an amazing instrument. And on top of that, the bottom tier, you can MIDI, I could put strings in there. I could do many different things with it. But I prefer it as the organ because I just beat it up. I can't help it. Yeah, it's, it's so great when you get to hear the organ and journey music, you know, because it's a key part of that early sound. Yeah, and that's, I mean, that's really what we're doing. You consider it. It's 50 years. It's a half a century. It's amazing and still working still going with all the the troubles that could come doesn't matter. It's just going to keep going and people love it. And I was there to help them along. And it's that's how I felt. That's how I felt. I was thinking about when I see that I go, I was seven when that band got together. Me too. Yeah, me too. Most people weren't alive when that band was together, you know. Oh, I was, I did, gave an interview. So those people that haven't, that were at the show that weren't even conceived yet. Yeah. Man, it's lived a long life. It's going to keep going. They're excellent songs. They're just excellent song. It's interesting to me that I saw you in 1978 on the infinity tour at day in the green and then I saw journey through time and these are two concerts that are so deep in my heart. It's bizarre how far apart they were. But like, I didn't even realize how much I needed the great Raleigh version of journey until I saw journey through time again. And then it just opened this can of feelings for me of like, oh my God, I have a lifetime of these records. I listened to them over and over and to see it live and to hear you sing. It's just unreal to me and you sound fantastic. Fantastic. Thanks. That's really kind of you. I, when, when I had my own band for 10 years and we played it in Santa Cruz, that's where I learned a lot about this stuff. It's like country artists really treat their fans well. These guys have come up with, obviously, a tattered album that they've had forever of Journey or Santana. They were just tattered for an autograph, right? Oh, look, I was a man. I owe this guy something. These are the people that made my life. That's true. Anybody that doesn't recognize that I'm from the other side from the musician side is really missing out. It's amazing what they do. Herbie Herbert, the longtime manager for Journey and part of the Santana, my lifelong friend, God rest his soul. He said, getting someone to pull out their wallet as a manager. Getting them to pull out their wallet and buy something that they think they need. They really don't need this, but they do need it. And that's the magic of what happens. Think about that. I did. They're going to a store. I gotta have this. Feel lucky. Feel lucky. Yeah, there's that great Herbie Herbert Instagram, man. They put up old photos all the time that are just great. What was that other band in between you had in the 80s with Josh Ramos? Oh, the storm. Yeah, the storm. There's this Herbie Herbert Instagram and they got a lot of old storm photos, man. Yeah. That reminds me, I've started a lot of bands. I met here in Austin years back when I was playing with Bringo and Donnie Whiteman worked with Aerosmith. They were in town. They were playing with Sheep Trick. And he goes, come on, come to the show. And so I got backstage, met Steven Tyler and Tyler goes, he goes, oh, you're from Santana. And Donnie goes, no, you don't understand. He's the guy with sang black magic when he goes, what? And they started journey. What? And he goes, what are you doing? I said, I started another band. He goes, give me a hug. I only had one. I just keep doing, I don't know. It's my drive. I just do. I started this one called New Soul. That's the latest song with my son and Yaya Sancho. And we've recorded 20 songs. We're just waiting to get it to somebody that's going to hear it. That's the next one. Are you guys going to do any touring? Yeah, when it all comes down. You know, it's like, it's almost like you've got to do something else. It's not all about the music anymore. It's not the same industry. No. And, you know, it just isn't. And, and to go out there and, you know, you've got to go about a little harder and, or it's just, you know, it won't work. It takes so much time. You know, when you're young, it's really cool. That's great. Chipsy life. Hey, we're traveling. We're having fun. And you're still working to make it happen. It's not the same industry. No. And, you know, it just isn't. And, and to go out there and play in clubs and doing this and try and build it. You know, you got to go about a little harder and, or it's just, you know, you're still working to make it happen. And that was true about both bands. Santana was more a phenomenon and journey was built. It was built and continued to be building. That was my point. It just continued. And more things came out. It's just glad to be a part of something like that. Both bands. They're incredible. Incredible. I feel like Neil plays completely like way better when you're around. Are you some kind of barometer for him? Does he look at you like, Hey, don't be playing any of that. You know, do you ever give him back? He seems to really wrangle in when you're around and play those solos note for note. No, I, you know, that's on him. It's like, he can play anything. You know that. I mean, really. Yep. And he knows that I like blue style about the bluer style. And always have. So if that's happening, I'm not saying a word. It's just happening. Right. Like I told you, just you're trying to help the song along be what it is. And that's, that's what goes on. I'll tell you, it was great to see Dean back in the band also because. Oh yeah. When I saw him in journey through time, I had no idea. And I, I'm going to interview him on Monday, but I've known this guy since bad English days and wild dogs back with Mike Varney and all that, but I had no idea this guy could sing basically the Steve Perry stuff. Perfect. And it leads me to believe. Do you think the audience, because if are now left, let's say, and they got you back in, do you think the audience cannot handle journey without a front man? And yeah, because Dean can sing this stuff. No problem. But would it be weird to the audience? Like there's no front man. You think that's what it is? I don't know. I couldn't answer that. All I know is, yeah, you sure can. And some of a friend of my sons came up to me and he goes, I'm convinced that you're only part human because he can do that play the drums away does and sing the way he sings at the same time. It's like, are you kidding? I don't know what a talent that is. And but as far as, man, I can't read that stuff. I don't know. Long time it became a thing where you had to have, they call the front man, you know, and, and I was looking back. It's like, well, you know, the Beatles have four singers. They did pretty good. Hey, you're so right. Why is it that it has to be one guy and he's got to be out in front? No, there's guys that do and they are great. And I'm not saying anything about it, but why is it now it's just got to be this? I don't think so. Yeah. New soul. I'm in the band I'm working with. I want everybody to sing between y'all here, myself and my son. And we have, we're doing that because I think it's more entertaining. Oh yeah. You know, I remember when. Before we were called artists. And then for some of the elite, it would be our teeth. But it used to be a musician. We play music. And the town, the. The entertainment was in the plane. Really about that. More than anything. That's where we started. That's what I do. And I always go back to. It's. It's got to feel good. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. Like when Phil Collins moved to the front. You know, it was kind of like. He wasn't your typical front man. I would have been fine with him on the, just the drum singing, you know, it's. Yeah. There's a lot of people that have to have it the other way. You know, it's kind of like. They need that focal point and just like the articles about bands, there's always, they got to have this catchphrase. You know, and they eliminate, put it down to this because it's the nature of the game. And so that's kind of what happened. Everybody had a front man and. You know, whether it was a guitar player or whether it was, you know, keyboard or whatever. And. It just has, it's, it's the way they could focus on something and make a story out. And a lot of times. Those very people that drive. The press. I helped destroy it because now it's all about one guy instead of what it really takes to build something like that. Yeah. Yeah. And what about Dean's playing, man? Talk about pocket. That guy's got this crazy feel, man. It's just, right when you think he's going to be behind the beat, he just comes in and it's perfect feel. Yeah. Yeah, I know. He's very good. Very good. I have. Journey through time and, and doing this in Austin a couple of nights back. It was like. Like riding a bicycle with him too. But never worried about a thing. Neil picked out some great players, you know, and between him and John and these, the other three, it's like, it was pretty, pretty simple to play all you had to do is your homework. Yeah. Let me ask you this. I was there when the guy came in and sang at soundcheck. And I was like, who's that guy? And nobody really knew who he was journey through time. I was like, Oh, Neil's friend. Now he's in journey. What's his name? The keyboard player up by a Dean. Jason. Yeah. Now that's a guy. They got, they got like three Steve Perry's. I keep hearing this stuff. You know, when I met Jason, he was just playing the keys, right? Yeah. And so that, that's a keyboard guy. I remember he was telling this, oh, there's one part in other life. You got to play it kind of like this. And I said, and don't fuck it up. And laughed at him. I said, I'm telling you, we're just going to laugh and smile through this whole thing. He was laughing at me. It was like, yeah. More of this. Just have fun. Yeah. They're all great players. Have fun with it. Yeah. Well, that's what it's about 50 years, man. Got to just, you know, it's, it should be a celebration. You know, unfortunately in the world of quick bait and everything. It's more about lawsuits and what's going on with each other than the music, you know, it's still putting butts in the seats. Thank God, you know, because it could have tainted this whole thing, you know, but it didn't. Thank God. And, you know, so to see you up there and really everybody smiling and having a celebration again. It's just fantastic. Yeah. It felt, it felt like that. You know, it wasn't phoning. That was for real. And that's the way it ought to be. It is for me anyway. If it's not fun, you know, what are you doing? Now I know this is completely, you know, out there question, but after the jams, did Neil happen to say like at the bar, like, hey, we'll do some more or no. No, no, no. He wasn't when it was over. I left. He went to his hotel. I went to my hotel. I'm just, you know, everybody wants to say, are you rejoining the band? That's not what was done. I came out there to celebrate 50 years of music. It was in my hometown. It was great. And that's it. Anything past that. I don't know. I don't know at this point. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, that's journey, man. It's a total mystery, you know? Well, plus it's like, you know, I'm getting it from fans like crazy. You know, you need to come back and do that. That was awesome to see. Okay. But it's not my call. You know, I'm, I'm, you know, journey past, right? Yeah. What I'm hoping for is, I'm hoping for some more journey through time. And now that the people have seen this video and, you know, it's, it's going viral all over the place. I'm hoping journey through time goes out again and does big rooms like, you know, maybe a 20 date tour or something. Just so people can really see the stuff from those albums. Well, you know what? You never know. That's what I'm saying. You just never know. I can't plan a thing. It's kind of. I'm answering to a call. Yeah. How about Ringo? That's, is that still not no more Ringo or what's going on there? Well, at this point, I mean, that was, you know, plan with him for seven, eight years, whatever it was. Depending on where you start counting, you know, it was one of the best things in my life in music. It was so for so many reasons. I'm getting to meet him and I kept my mouth shut a lot and just watched a lot to learn there. And he's a great guy. He's just a great guy runs a great guy to work for and with the best way to put it. It's just phenomenal man. And so, you know, here comes this pandemic. And I just had to bow out of it. Everybody's having trouble with it. Coming back and coming home to go out again. I didn't want to play to people with a mask on. It would have bummed me out. Yeah. And I, but I had to say no to it. Although I didn't want to. Yeah. Well, hopefully you'll be back there. It'd be nice to see you do another run with Ringo. It'd be nice to see journey through time. It'd be extra fire to see you in journey and some kind of configuration that would just be mind boggling. And it'll be great to see the and hear the music of you and your son and that whole thing that you're doing. It's just, I mean, I do not take it for granted. To get to see Greg Raleigh out there saying, you know, to me, it's your vocals are just, you know, unbelievable to me. And I could say it over and over, but just as soon as I hear of a lifetime, and then I know, you know, the affinity record inside and out and those and journey next. It's just amazing that I got to see it again. All these years later, you know, there's a lot of people that aren't here anymore. And I think people need to concentrate on that. Go see these people. They're delivering, especially you just delivering the goods, man. Yeah, thank you. Thanks. Thanks. Right. So don't forget you got to come out here, man. The motorcycle is charged. It's ready for you to come out and hang out here on a summer day. Have a do a little barbecue and be cool. I'm coming out there and also I wanted to thank you. I don't, you know, I've done over 5,000 shows and one of the greatest nights was when I was headlining in Austin and I looked down and I'm doing comedy and you were in the fucking front row and I was just, I was like, this is a goddamn legends watching me, man. I'm just, I was just so meant so much to me that you came out, man, you know. Oh, it was my pleasure and you are one funny son of a bitch. I get it. Thank you so much, man. And give me a heads up, Joe Rogan's open in a comedy club out there, the mothership in a couple of weeks, I believe, or something. So you and your family should frequent that place. It's going to be really good. And I will come out and I want to thank you for wishing me a happy birthday. That was just mind boggling. And I will be out in the next two months for sure. Once it gets a little warmer out there, I don't like riding a bike. It's cold. I know. I was one of, that was one of the things you put in your routine. First thing I found is I got to go find air conditioning. I got off the plane. My God, what's wrong with these people? It was like, it was 110 when I was there. I know. That's a nice balmy day. What are you nuts? Wow. Wow. Thank you for talking to me. And once again, congrats on that beautiful night. People, you can see it all over YouTube. I'll post up this one great, perfect dead center clip of the whole 30. And the sound is good on that one. I saw that. The sound was good. It's so good. Some of the sound on them are bunk, but I'm going to post the good one. And I watched it twice all the way through. And every time I watched it, I was just like, wow, man. And Luke, and look at their crushed it on black magic woman. Oh yeah. Oh, it was like old times for me. I mean, you know, and him too. Oh, great. Let's do that. And then, you know, it was a little changed up. When we first started. So how do you want to do the guitar parts? Ask him. You guys figure it out. You're playing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm, whatever you want to do, I'll be over here hanging. Oh my God. I love you, brother. Tell it. Tell the family. I said hi. I will. I will. I will. Thank you. Back at you. Back at you. They said the same. Thank you. The show, man. I was dying to talk to you at so many questions, you know, sound check, sound selection, all that. All right. All right, buddy. All right. Yeah. Hope to see you soon. Yeah.