 So, welcome everybody. This is the OpenEd SIG, welcoming you to the OER20 preview, and we're so excited to have all of you, so many people here who are involved in the planning and the execution of OER20, and who are going to share with us some of the exciting things that are going to be happening. And they're happening despite all the scares about possible pandemics and everything else. We know we're going ahead, and April 1st and 2nd will be OER20 in London, so we're really looking forward to everybody enjoying that event. But of course, if you can't make it there physically, it doesn't matter, because there's lots of opportunities to participate virtually, asynchronously, and synchronously. And exactly Deb, we're going to keep calm and we will carry on. So, let's just give you a quick tour of the space and tell you a little bit about the OpenEd SIG. So, the OpenEd SIG is supported by ALT. We have a community space. We're a totally open group. You don't have to be an ALT member in order to participate. But our aims really are to support open education policy. That's an interesting slide. I didn't notice that the end had fallen off. There you go. Anyway, so we support, we develop, we influence, we sustain. We hope to draw together some of the many disparate voices of open education and to amplify. And that is our aim. We're a pretty open group of people as well. So, we've always welcomed new members. So, big welcome to you for joining the webinar. Just a quick note about where to find the settings and things within Collaborate. If you come down to the bottom corner at the right hand side, the little pink button there, if you open that, a panel will open. You'll be able to see the list of participants and presenters. You can join in the chat. So, please don't feel that you're unable to participate. Please participate and we'll keep an eye on the chat and join you. And also, if you need to check your audio, if you want to use your mic at some point, the little settings wheel in that panel is what will help you do just that. So, the OER20 preview, here's the conference here are the details. And without more ado, I'm going to go over to the team. So, we have Daniel with us, we have Jim, we have Mia, we have Anne-Marie, we have Francis, all ready with things to tell us about the OER20 conference event. So, we're going to start off with just a brief introduction from each of those people. So, if I call your name, participants, can you just tell us a little bit about yourself to start us off. And Mia, could we start with you? Sure. Thank you. Yes, it certainly is. So, good morning from New Jersey, on the other side of the pond, as they say. Introduction, well, my name is Mia Zamora. I'm a literature and writing professor at Cain University in New Jersey. And an enthusiastic colleague of both Jonathan Shaw and Daniel Villar on Rubio, who are my co-chairs for the conference. And we've been working hard all year to pull together a wonderful experience for everyone. It's been my great pleasure to be a part of the open ed community for some time as a practitioner. And, well, we'll talk more about the themes of the conference in a little bit, but that's a little bit about me. Brilliant. Thank you, Mia. That's a great start. We're going to come across to Jonathan, seeing as you've mentioned him there as well. So, Jonathan, tell us a bit about yourself. Hi. Thanks to you. Yeah, so I'm Jonathan Shaw. I have the pleasure, I guess, of directing a unit called the Disruptive Media Learning Lab at Coventry University. I work directly with Daniel. And we had the great pleasure of hosting Mia, I think, at some point last year. And this opportunity of coming together to co-chair the conference was the perfect excuse to work once more together. So, I think, yeah, my background is from photography, and we used to drill holes and do funny things for cameras. So, why would you not do the same sort of thing for education? So, that's me. Drilling holes and funny things with cameras. That sounds interesting. Thank you for that. So, we can kind of pass on to Daniel then, your partner in crime. Hello. Thanks, Teresa. Yes, so I work here in the DMLL, as we call it. We have a line of work around open knowledge and digital literacy, digital fluencies. So, the opportunity to work around the OER conference was very much connected with the things that we are already doing as part of our daily jobs. And I'm personally a fan of the OER conference. I have been only attending most of them. It's a shame I couldn't attend last year, but it was a great inspiration for the topic that we picked for this year. So, going through all the documentation generated last year was very inspirational. And hopefully we are kind of revisiting some of the questions that already were launched then. That's great. Yes, I guess we all have that experience. We can't always make every single conference. But there's always so much online, so much going on as well. I see we've got some more people joining us. So, welcome to people who just joined us. Teresa, he did have a good excuse. He was about to come a dad. So, I think we can all forgive him. Oh, no. We can certainly more than forgive him for that. And yes, I haven't yet seen the baby pictures. So, I'm not sure, Daniel, whether I'm going to forgive you for that bit. There are so many that they are not in the open web. Maybe that's fair for the sake of the baby. Welcome. Autumn, you've just joined us as well. Good to see you here. So, we're going on with our just brief introductions. And we're going to pass to Martin and then Anne-Marie and then Jim. Okay. Thanks, Teresa. So, Martin Hoxie, I work for HALT. A visual title is Teach Innovation Community and Technology Officers. And I suppose I'm like a duck in the background, paddling like mad to try and keep moving and engaging the community with the conference. You are the magic, Martin, that makes it all happen. Yes, not a duck so much as a swan gliding gracefully through. So, that's brilliant. So, who is next on our list? It's got to be Anne-Marie. Morning. I'm Anne-Marie Scott. Some of you may remember me from the University of Edinburgh, where I spent a very long part of my career. I am now the Deputy Provost of Athabasca University in Canada, which is Canada's kind of equivalent of the Open University in the UK. Founded about a year later. And I'm running one of the satellite sessions at OER20. And very many thanks to Daniel and Jonathan for providing us with a space at the DMLL. I'm running a session that was conceived by myself, Marin Deepwell, Laura Chernivet and Ian Dolphin. And I'm running the session in my capacity as the Chair of the Board of the Perio Open Source Foundation. But we'll talk a little bit more about what the session is in a while. Brilliant. Thank you. We've got a room full of movers and shakers, everybody. So, this is a great opportunity to get to know more about what they're up to. Jim, talking of movers and shakers. Hey, how are you? Thanks, Teresa. This is Jim Grim. I'm coming from Northern Italy, which is Europe's foremost purveyor of COVID-19. I'll have you know. And I'm actually very happy to be here. I'm part of the Reclaim Hosting Team. And we have been avid supporters of OER, OER Conference, I guess, 19 to 2018. Since I talked in 16, I met a lot of great folks. So, I'm thrilled to be here. And I'll pass it back to you. Thank you. Thanks so much. So, we're going to talk about this conference. Let's find out more about what's going to happen and what's going on. And I had a brief think about this before we started, because the theme is very much the care in openness. And in my UK context here, the word care is an abused and undermined word. Let me explain what I mean by that. People who work in care, as in people who care for others, are often underpaid. The work they do is vital, supporting the dignity and the lives of disabled or elderly people. So, care to me is a hugely loaded term. When we think about care, I think we really need to explore this. What do we mean by care? So, let's hear a bit more about the theme of the conference and some of the topics that are going to be treated at OER20. I can jump in and start some comments there. First of all, Teresa, I think that was very articulate. And I'm so glad that you are coming at it from that nuance. And I think Jonathan, Daniel, and I, when we were thinking at first about care, wanted to harness all of those associations with the word in order to look at the word with more depth and criticality in the context of open education and higher education. So, when we think about care, obviously, we're thinking about reaching or moving towards well-being. And I think we're also thinking about the impact that we all have on our world that might make us live as best as possible. And that's a huge challenge in this day and age, as we all know. So, when it comes down to the kinds of things we want to bring to this word care and thinking about it rigorously through community and community conversation, I think one of the first things we're concerned with is the idea of whether this is possible and how to proliferate this possibility in a world in which we're being surveilled. So, we're thinking about data surveillance and risk on the open web and how we might be able to map out or give visibility to any of the critical components of care practice. I think we're also interested in building sustainable communities and we're interested in participatory culture and civic engagement. So, we're thinking about this notion of a healthier democracy and how we do that with the work we do and if it's even possible. So, I think that's a lot of words. I'm going to be quiet now and pass the baton to my esteemed colleagues. That was a lot of wonderful words. Thank you very much, Mia. Mia, actually I remember that when we were trying to come up with the actual title from the conference, we were hesitating to go with the caring in the general form or where we should go for the infinitive. We were definitely acknowledging that we wanted to connect the idea of care to the literature and also the fact that there are very different traditions contributing to discussions around care and what it means to care in contemporary society more broadly but also specifically in education. What I would like also is to recommend what I'm sure everyone here who is already part of the community has been following the great blog posts, the guest blog posts, which are under the news tab of the conference website because they draw very interesting references and we have a number of contributors connecting this with different traditions. Like Helen Crump, she wrote one of the first blog posts and she was linking this with the work of Negri and Hart, for example, with effective labor. We have, of course, the work around the quilt that Francis will be describing later on, but there are different approaches, both from a theoretical but also practical perspective that I think are adding nuances to this whole notion of care. Yes, I love the fact that this is bringing together both the digital practice that surrounds and probably envelops to a certain extent the work in open education but also the physical practice of crafting and how the quilt is a metaphor for what we're doing as well. So I'm sure we'll unpack more of that. It's great to have this opportunity and to hear more about what you've been thinking. Let's just pop the link to the, sorry, I put the wrong link in the chat just now, so I'm going to put the OER conference link into the chat right now so that you've got that. Sorry, Daniel, carry on. Yeah, I mean, I think one of the things that, I think having the fact that both Miria, Daniel and I, you bring such differing perspectives together, I think through this process it's been really interesting and sort of fascinating having that, having both that dialogue, trying to understand it from different perspectives because for me in particular and in particular the role that I have at the university is understanding what that impact may be for the wider sort of community of educators, those who perhaps are less familiar with open education, less familiar for where value may sit as part of that and having, and one of the things that came out much later through that process I think was what we sort of grappled into the criticality and care in open education, both as a means to sort of explore this but also to sort of try and get into the messy, the dirty things because often what we often can describe can be I think something which is sits on the verge of our practice rather than being a core kind of value and I think what we were trying to work with, both the featured speakers that we've sort of selected is people who are really trying to bring that into the core and perhaps offer us a different starting point for how we consider both the work that we undertake and how we interact with our student communities. That was a perfect segue Jonathan into telling us a little bit about your keynote speakers. Tell us more. Mia do you want to kick off with the first that we announced? Sure thing. So the first thing I want to say about those keynote conversations is that from the beginning the three of us have been really thinking about this notion of the keynote and we wanted to sort of press up against the traditional format of talking head, develop a like kind of just given content and then we're left as a community to think about that. We wanted it to be a little bit more interactive. So in essence we're thinking about these keynotes kind of slots for provocation and interactivity and I'm very happy and pleased to say that the first speaker who will take up that work for us is Savasaheli Singh. She currently is a postdoctoral fellow in the Department of Criminology at the University of Ottawa in Canada but she's doing her postdoctoral research with the Big Data Surveillance Partnership project and one of the things that I think is hallmark about her work is that she's recently completed some very thought-provoking shorts, film shorts that get us really thinking about this nexus point of care in the context of data surveillance and she I think when she opens up the conference for us we're going to have all kinds of you know energy and questions and conversations at the tips of our tongues after she sort of opens it up for us so I'm really thrilled to have her coming to London. Brilliant and very much a hot topic so and always great to have participation so that sounds exciting. So Savasaheli is one of your first keynotes who would like to tell us about the rest of the keynotes. So I can talk about the I would say it in Spanish because they are Spanish collective they are collective based in the south of Spain in Seville they have been doing really interesting work over the last few years I mean I have met them I have known them for a number of years since the days when I was an undergrad they are working right at the intersection between culture and technology and activism and they have developed a number of areas of work one of them being pedagogies of care which is one of their most recent and active projects at the moment so they will be focusing on that also by inviting a number of people to present and take this kind of future keynote space we wanted to rethink the keynote format as I explained before so in that slot we will have more than one person talking and presenting things that they have been doing but also suggesting some practical things. Also they have been touching some of the topics that we have covered in an indirect way in relation to CURVE so they used to run an annual festival which each year was devoted to a different topic and one of them was devoted to surveillance quite a few years ago and they also run another one looking at the expanded education so they will be drawing on those references as well and I think Brian is not with us today Brian Lamp but he was there as well so there was an interesting connection so even though they are not strictly working in the OER arena as such they have some connections and all their work has been released and they're open licenses since 2005 I think so it will be really interesting to hear from them about their more recent developments and projects. Excellent, so that's CEMOS 98 yes. Brilliant to have an international input. Wow that puts my inability with the English. No language shaming here, no language shaming. I suddenly felt I was back in GCSE Spanish and kind of panicking for somebody to point at my, not at all. I joke with it Daniel regularly. Yeah we're delighted to also announce Joe Deville who's Senior Lecturer at Lancaster University, Yannicka Ademe who's an assistant professor here at Comptier University in the Centre for Post-Digital Cultures. In this slot really what we were sort of keen to sort of understand is I guess touching upon both a pragmatic but perhaps more radical venture in terms of what open access publishing can be and specifically I guess within a scholarly-led type of approach. I had the joy of working with Yannicka to co-edit a guest edition of the Disruptive Journal of Media Practice and through that process of engaging openly in various peer reviews and hypotheses, there was a lot of really interesting challenges and it felt appropriate to bring some of those conversations and finding to light here I think for the OER and again to that challenge that each of these are I guess provocations or perspectives that are brought to the table. We thought using this slot to sort of really tease that out with I guess the multiple perspectives between Joe and Yannicka could be both interesting and challenging. They've recently just been successful in securing the community-led open publication infrastructures for monographs, a slight mouthful which is quite a significant and huge push for a very different approach to how we might see open access publishing within the academic arena and I think bringing early insight to that to this sort of community could be of great value we felt. So yeah we're delighted to have them announce us our finals. Well this all sounds so exciting and it's very much rooted in the bleeding edge of the digital and I just had a double take when you talked to me about when you mentioned Coventry having a post-digital study area I'm thinking we're just up the road we're pushing into digital when will we get to the postage anyway that's another matter. So I've got on my list though here because there is something very undigital going on that has been going on for a little while that I've been observing and many of us have been watching it coming together a quilt time yeah exactly Francis tell us a little about this wonderful wonderful physical project. Yeah hi hi hi everyone um well it is uh it is it is very much a physical project and we knew it would be a lot of work so we even had to launch it before the um the deadline for submission of the abstracts and so on and um I just wanted to quote make one point first of all that our our quilt is called the quilt of care and justice and I think it's really important building on some of what Mia said earlier to think that we can't just think about care in its you know alone we have to think of it in the context of justice as well and that was a very important part of our um quilt um and it's a feminist perspective as well and I've just found this quote from Jade Wu Henry's blog post that she did I put a link to it in the in the chat she says um this feminist scholarship on care is therefore an ethical political commitment to the marginalized and that's one thing that I wanted to say now because one of the greatest things about the quilt will be that when it arrives at uh OER20 it will carry with it the work of a lot of people who won't be at OER20 and I think that's a really important point to make um so you know it will will will have the website that Anne-Marie Scott has developed so beautifully that will have our digital quilt artifacts but the material artifacts carry the work as does the digital artifact of people who cannot be present and I think that's a really important thing to remember and I just had one thing to ask you um would you like me to give you a quick preview of one of the quilts if you're able to do that that will be wonderful right I've been watching it is it is right okay oh we're getting a sneaky peek here wow can you see it oh wow yes shall I give you a little close-up oh that's a lovely yeah oh wow and so many of the fabrics and materials that have gone into making this quilt have come from all over the world and I know Fermed Tech has got the fabulous blog posts for many the stories behind the making and it's it's read also this is this is really important because this is this is a wonderful feature of open so here's the back of the quilt which is all fabrics that have been donated and um what I wanted to say about that is that the whole reuse angle which is so important in open has featured very heavily in this quilt so if I was to show you this tartan this plaid fabric here you can go and read the story of that fabric um from somebody who won't be attending OER 20 um but who has who donated a plaid nightgown from when she worked as a post postdoc in the 1980s in the university that she worked in in America and please go and look at all the stories because they're very beautiful stories so that's enough from me I think they certainly are beautiful stories Francis and I know how busy you and many many people have been producing them and like Deb I'm in awe Deb's skills are far greater than mine but I'm just in awe of the crafting it's absolutely amazing the skills that people have and that they have generally they've so generously given and good to have this feminist perspective because I think when we think about the word care often again we come back to unpaid labor and funnily enough it comes back very often as well to feminine unpaid labor though that's not exclusive I recognize that and we're very much welcome all male feminists who I'm sure are here as well so thank you for that well we have we have three male well to my knowledge there might be more male contributors to the quilt and I think we're very pleased to have them there absolutely absolutely thank you yes we're really looking forward to one of this so next on my list of things going on are the opportunities for remote participation cut so we've kind of got a nexus here pulling together the physical the digital pulling together the distance and the presence so those of us who can't actually make it to London on the 1st and 2nd of April how can we still participate tell us a little bit about what is planned there do you want me to take this one oh thank you Martin if you would um so yes um as we're previous conferences I'll be getting my camera out and hopefully finding some help as well and so we'll be live streaming so as well as the the keynote slash invite slots that we have we'll be doing our usual bit to live stream sessions from main conference halls so there's a really rich program of sessions that hopefully will be available to anyone who can access our our embedded youtube player so but isn't also contribute as well by the hashtag so hash or 20 but one of the lovely things about or 20 is there's only so much that we can do is conference organizers and there's a ton of other stuff that goes on simultaneously and where we can we we like to facilitate this so I know some of the sessions will be joining in remotely so we've got already got we know a couple of people will be doing various bits and pieces and also we're always delighted to facilitate collective such as reconnecting in terms of some of the delivery that they do not just that we are 20 around the world so we'll be doing our best to facilitate that so hopefully even if you can't make it to London for various reasons you can still be part of that conversation and and contribute as well excellent thank you and autumn I know some conversations have been going on in the virtually connecting slack channel so would you like to turn your mic on and tell us a little bit about what's planned there yeah it's hi can you hear me yes we can great yeah um we are definitely planning on doing some virtually connecting usually the way virtually connecting works is we usually wait until it's a little bit closer to the conference because we kind of draw on the spontaneity of the moment with a little bit of planning so um we usually wait to see like what the schedule is going to be because we try to find those hallway moments um and I'm on the committee so I do have a little bit of an early view at that and I know that we have some good sized breaks some like um you know 15 minute breaks or so that we can find some time to actually talk to each other um and set up some virtually connecting um sessions so we are also going to be um in session so virtually connecting has been accepted to present at the conference as well and we do have a session talking about intentionally equitable hospitality um we've been thinking a long time about care in virtual spaces in virtually connecting and how virtually connecting um comes at the idea of care especially in terms of um in terms of uh doing this at conferences in a bit of a different way when you're juggling all these different time zones and just thinking about um power structures who's in the room who gets a voice who gets to speak um and we wrote a paper about that and we're going to be talking about that we're also just beginning to start to think about the planet and the environmental impacts of conference travel and how sometimes uh we need to maybe re rethink how we're approaching conferences and think about um virtual ways of attending conferences and how that could maybe be um helping with some care for the planet so we're thinking about a lot of different things thanks for giving me a chance to talk i'll uh i'll step back now thanks so much thank you autumn thanks for thanks for jumping in unexpectedly but that's brilliant so thanks very much and good to hear that we're thinking about care for the planet too i'm just going to ignore that phone ringing because it'll stop in a minute let's press on to our satellite events jim i know you've got something up your sleeve i do have something up my sleeve sorry for the delay um i just wanted to see who was on the phone that was mine i don't really care i was really interested um yeah so uh i'll be joined by marita fiero and lauren brumfield um from reclaim hosting as well as lauren haywood from coventry university who's part of this uh disruptive media uh learning lab and we'll be doing a workshop at coventry the day before the conference uh basically about getting up and running with your own um web space uh we'll be using c-panel as the example we'll basically try and take people through what it means uh to manage control create and control their own space and i mean i've been doing the same thing for so long now like i just take whatever word someone puts in a conference and i make it work for whatever i'm doing and i do think care works really well in terms of caring for creating and cultivating your own presence online um it's been something we've been used we've been very kind of uh deliberate about since you know the mid-2000s at mary washington and that work has gone on with uh reclaim so that's uh super fun i also want to give a big shout out to lauren haywood and the care she has done for building um coventry's learn which is a really kind of deliberate thoughtful and intentional kind of curriculum around what it means to build create manager own space and i think there's a lot of care built in to that notion of um what it means to empower people and to enforce people so thank you mia for that in the chat you just gave me my final statement and i'll push it back oh wait one more thing we're competing with and marie's surveillance workshop which is like you know trying to compete with et right so uh we probably won't have anyone sign up and i blame and marie okay back to you thank you for that as ever there is just so much wonderful stuff going on in in oer 20 that we're going to be torn in many many directions i know that's going to happen um but it's so brilliant to see how these ideas and they were really ideas when oer 14 15 started have come to maturity and just how rich um the the content now is when you look through the schedule for um oer 20 it's really exciting and yes we can well daniel we can have virtual lunch together we're getting in that in that direction have we covered both satellite events here because i can see on my list there are two satellite events so before we move on i just want to make sure that we haven't missed one or were they both sorry jim they're both yours are they well i mean they they are considered satellite events uh both um and marie's and colleagues uh and also jim's and we also had a third satellite event that took place last week uh which was a wiki media and education uh summit um we generated a lot of documentation so we will be releasing that of course under an open license uh over the next few weeks uh we recorded the two keynotes by lorna cambell and also alison little john and we also recorded interviews with most of the speakers yes i'd be very glad to be able to see some of that through twitter and to watch what's happening there thank you sorry jonathan i was just gonna say and we also um had the hugely talented brian mathers in kind of capturing the thoughts ideas things that resonated with him that i think some of which have been sort of previewed through twitter uh and the rest will also we're we're seeking to sort of have some of the printed up um to be on display at the conference as well as other other spaces so yeah it's very exciting yeah these wonderful graphics that brian produces and yeah he's he's amazing where would we be without him excellent we're here to be having some technical difficulties this might be a good idea it might could be a good time martin so let and marie time make a case while why people should get her attention out of the morning i think yeah amary has a slide as well so let's let's just push that out amary so that you can come in and tell us a little bit more about that yeah and thank you for putting the slide up um because i wanted to give a shout out to the artist delvia best conceal us um and you should all go and have a look at the counter voices project on instagram she gave me permission to use this slide in our event bright um or to use image rather in our event bright but she's got so many beautifully drawn um images and this is what we're talking about brian mader so that's a perfect segue into this um but she's got so many beautifully drawn images i think really speaks to a lot of the the issues that we've been talking about today and the things we care about she's an artist who's working on various projects exploring our relationship with technology and specifically some in the ed tech area and but our our event actually came out of alt c in edinburgh last year um myself lora chernovitz from university of capetown maren deepwell from alt and in dolphin also from the aperio foundation we're we're sitting chatting and we all had the same feeling that we there are so there's so much information about um kind of all the things that are wrong that a a real paralysis sets in um we know there are problems but it's very very difficult to get a handle on what to do about them or to imagine that things could be different or or even know how to put one step on the path towards changing things so we conceived a workshop idea um and we're not kidding ourselves 30 people in coventry are not going to topple late stage capitalism what we wanted to do was um use some speculative design methods to try and break out of this um sense of paralysis and doom and imagine some possible futures for higher education so the event is called imagining education is public good in the age of surveillance we want to bring a real um diverse group of people into the room um and that's you know challenging with a self-selecting event we we did seed it with a few invites um to try and see what we could do um and our plan is to to try and imagine some of these possible fears as a kind of creative exercise and then work through um what the concrete steps might be towards realizing them um so we will have some outputs to to share at the end of the day and this really draws on a talk that's gave at OEB um online educator Berlin which Martin you may have seen um where she talks really strongly about the need not just to resist a lot of what goes on in education at the moment but to do this work of reimagining um so that's what we hope to do at the workshop but the other output that we will have out of the workshop as well as these visions of a possible future and concrete steps you could take towards them which we will publish online is the methodology that we're going to use the kind of workbook workshop material so if other people want to run the same kind of um event in their own context you'll be able to pick up the material and do that and the idea is to to try and give people some tools some opportunity to break out of this paralysis um and again in the spirit of inclusion and equity we're running it physically online in commentary but the large number of people we would have liked to be there can't um and so we are going to try and run a group speculative speculative design exercise online probably at some point in May um so you can sign up for the Coventry event I think there's maybe one or two tickets left um but you can also sign up to express interest in the online event as we set a date um we'll get back in touch with people and clearly we can take many more people for the online event than the face to face um not entirely sure how that's going to work yet we'll do the face to face one iron out the wrinkles and then I think we'll be in a good position to do it so that's the plan that sounds like a great plan I those of you who um every now and again may come across some of my blog posts I've been blogging from a very personal perspective around care and our experience of the care system and you know the more I think about this and how it ties up with what you're doing it I'd read something very recently about the importance of changing the narrative and the best way forward is to change the narrators and I can't think of a better group of people to change the narrators with than those of you and those of us in the open education community so this sounds like a great a great set of steps to push us out into that direction um lovely to see empowerment at work that's brilliant thank you so much thank you um do we have any questions in the room do we have any um I think points that anybody would like to raise either through the chat or with your mic just raise a hand if you'd like a mic if you don't have one I think that must must reflect just how well you've dealt with all the questions and the detail because I think this is going to be a fabulous event and yeah there's lots of crap out there sorry I said that on the recording there we certainly need we certainly need a better discourse so brilliant to uh to have you leading the way through this event as I'm going to just sort of give give you a reminder of what's going on it's sorry Jonathan I'm sorry what's going on uh through open education week because clearly this is open education week if you had not noticed you must have been asleep because it's everywhere it's great to have so many activities going on in open education week but we have a parallel asynchronous activity going on during open education week and I'm just going to give you a link for that and that is around open policies and who cares and we've got some great provocations always Leo here there we are Leo is exactly the one of the people that I'm going to highlight as a star made a great entrance right on time um when we look this is a joint asynchronous event that Francis and I have pulled together and it's great to see that we're pulling our resort pooling our resources because let's make no bones about this this is a big job we're talking about um and we wanted to highlight the fact that you know open policies love them or hate them they're not easy um and sometimes they have unintended consequences and we wanted to widen the discussion about the policies around open um so you can see on Francis has put the FEMED tech link up there where we've got the possibility for people to respond um anonymously if they prefer to because a lot of the issues we're dealing with are things to do with fairness, justice um we've got some fabulous provocation that Leo has recorded on Africa as well that which you can access um through the open ed sick post as well and what we're trying to do is really just pull together these discussions think think more deeply about um what open education means to us and what it can and should mean so we're we're hoping that will continue and please do feel free to uh to add your voice to those posts and think about policy the thing about policy is they can be huge policies can be huge enablers but they can also lock out people or change the game so um it's really important that we engage with policy and not just um abdicate it to others um I haven't come across any questions in the chat as such so I'm going to turn it back to Daniel and see if Daniel there's anything else you'd like to um oh thank you Leo that's great another link the links in this chat in this session have been brilliant so uh we're going to need to save these and make sure that uh people can access them um but please do yeah Daniel if you want to add us any final sort of summary comments Daniel Jonathan thank you to everyone and hoping that everyone can make the conference and if not that can join us remotely so we can um be part of the same conversation anyways um so yes that's that's it and we will be also actively following the hashtag over the next few weeks and so hopefully we will be also able to start some conversations so then we can um have in a more focused way during the days of the conference excellent Jonathan anything you'd like to add and yes Lucianne we have recorded the session so the session will be made available Mia perhaps if there's anything you'd like to add um just that I'm excited for for convergence and community and conversations and I am thrilled that it's a month away yes it can't come quickly enough now but you've already been so busy and so many things going on I'm I'm just going to I didn't introduce myself at the beginning of the session so I'm just going to pop my um Twitter handle in there because I'm very often resident in Twitter although criticality means that that may not be the case forever so oh sorry Jonathan your wife I dropped out such is such is life but if you do have anything feel free to grab a mic and uh and tell us before we wind up this it is a really it's a really exciting event taking part in OER I can guarantee is something whatever the year of OER taking part in the OER conference is something you will never forget it's such a warm and welcoming community um and and that's the folks from ALT that make that happen as well as the individual participants so I can't wait and thank you so much all of you for your time and for the care that you've shown in creating such a wonderful event haven't they been amazing Jonathan absolutely