 Okay, call the meeting of the finance committee to order. Sorry, I was late, but I had to park in Belmont, so Finding a parking space Gloria, when can we get back to the police station? Next year And when we move in the police station, we will have a projector, a digital projector Okay Okay, all minutes Okay, should that be like after Barry Barbara? Okay, are there any other corrections? Okay, do I have a motion? Moved and seconded, any discussion, any other corrections? Okay, all those in favor of accepting the minutes is corrected. We say aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay, we have our new, hopefully almost done warrant and the big comm suggestion, they move the CPA articles together. So you have the appropriation and then you have the resolution on their long-term plan. Why aren't your articles were deleted? So it's a little longer than, I think last year we had 46. Now we've got 60, so there's 14 more articles, I think almost all of them are zoning. So not our not our problem as they say. I talked to town council about the lobbying article The select when you're having a hearing the promoter of the article has refused to come before us Because he basically doesn't think it's any of our business So I think we'll see what the select will do and then We'll decide if we want to take a position on it on that He wasn't going to get into the first amendment quite yet, but a lot of it depends on what the promoter Sponsor of the article wants to exactly do I talked to Dan tonight and there are Minutely regional agreements there are seven seven out of seven yeses So the seven towns that have taken it up so far seven voted yes. So, you know, that's pretty good news I think and you see with the updated hearing calendar from Gloria We're getting things scheduled the one thing which is a little bit up in the air is the Community Preservation Act recommendations Now this is going to be different for example from the capital budget Capital budget comes before us they make the recommendation and the motion on the four town meeting is actually that of the finance committee the fact that they're identical and that the Chair of the capital budget committee actually makes the presentation final town meeting is still a finance committee recommendation With the Community Preservation Act, it is different. It is a fourth reporting body So I'm still a little unclear on a few things in other words that they'll propose before us We could make recommendations to them whether we can make actually I suppose we can make You know recommend it changes to the motion that's presented on the town meeting for I'm still One of the problems is that The whole start-up mechanism in the start-up process for the Community Preservation Act committee is a little slow this year They've got you know people representing all different committees that are meeting at all different times and like now that Two meetings scheduled in March the whole month So they have proposed to come to us in April sometime and I said we're finished by April So I'm trying to get them to come sometime in mid-March, so we'll see how that goes You've seen the snow and ice So right now we have approximately $120,000 left tonight. I think with half of February and all of March that should be 21 But there were far ahead of where we were last year. I think we're one quarter of the cell fall As of last year at this time Yes This Okay, so the meet and greet with the new Japanese town manager will be tomorrow from three to five So I urge you to comment you have opportunity and meet the new deputy and Please with them Okay, so I think right now 746 almost precisely on party We have before us the transfer of town property, which is Article 30 Make your presentation Town meeting Back around And I have to do affordable housing everybody thinks of Chapter 40 be as the affordable house No, it's the district planning laws the entire state of Massachusetts, and I'm only involved Around 2002 I saw the town of Glamis Had a state 40 be not because they had ten percent of the units in the town affordable Because one and a half percent of their total land area was occupied by affordable housing It went through the house and fields committee. It was ruled that the number was okay If it wasn't in the town's best interest At that time I went Biddle study and I'll take a little while to get through all the records, but at that time it appeared that I Which I saw the protection against unreasonable development But before the select them they were delighted to hear that And then we started playing with the numbers Between the planning department and my numbers they were I I got back into it a couple years ago because numbers have changed And the position of the planning boy was we were a few weeks guy Of the one and a half percent Since then I've been doing between the planning department department housing community development the state secretary Because of things going on within the regulations how things accounted and we're still disputing some of the profits There's a couple of here in town That I picked up because they would be restricted to remain affordable because they were bought with grant money When they got resold There was both to stay affordable. They somehow disappeared. They got into a dining room with the chief council at DHCD Uh, it's still in dispute. I said no The D went forward with the prior restrictions. It's still affordable. I say no no all the proper paperwork That's up to the council to deal with Right now A number of socials for one and a half that will have a tough time Working with it this far and some of you may be interested in what's going on in these planning with the new guys project we should by race if we are at one and a half percent either Approve it with conditions that are acceptable to the town the people down there are absolutely denied I guarantee you the developer will take it to the housing appeals court. That's the way they work it The individual if they have as their council in going this forward Abdulled with him for a while These are from business of what he'd be like development basically And he wants us to move as fast as we can Deny it and then he can take it to the housing appeals committee. But what's the rush? Well, because he has a prep record with housing appeals committee and it doesn't hurt that his ex-partner Is one of the members of the housing appeals committee. So we're dealing with the stack deck over there I would prefer to have the numbers currently in place Lance Rensher mom Gilbaugh Belongs to the town about My pitch is okay And if you read the marin article We turn it over to the housing authority De-restricted in perpetuity as affordable housing I pick up two acres of land on my calculation And ollington is at 2.2 percent of our available land area is already devoted to affordable housing And that's the point of the article Do I have opposition to affordable housing? No, I've had Two let pieces of legislation before the state legislature seeking to increase the number of units That have to be provided by as an article to make it all equal 40 b We don't We don't make progress with 40 b. It's 49 years old And if you look at the numbers We're not producing affordable housing beyond all affordable housing is a crisis in the state Why aren't we? Producing affordable housing the law is weak and efficient. There's no other laws in a country like it With 47 out of 50 states in affordable housing The legislature would be Appeared before regularly has not moved any bills to fix that law And that was the reason I Try to get it repealed in 2017 It's a I have a duty job. I'm getting tired I would like to see how we do not look That we can dictate what we want the way of development and they can't afford Does allen be enough for affordable housing? I don't think you have enough for affordable housing Allen today Has as many public housing units Is all the only exception is 11 other towns That have more units of Harding and we have They're all cities On a per capita basis if you take the number of affordable units The public housing units we have here in armington We're number one on the state We have more public housing units per capita That any other city or town in the Commonwealth of Texas We're one of the one of the number of towns that are put in inclusionary zoning That anything built over six units you have to have an affordable component We've also in our bylaws that you build in our town You have to place the affordable units In perpetuity I've been trying for 10 years to get the legislature to accept that Equally trying to get the state legislature To institute some of the other things we've done here in our On a per capita basis we have more section 8 housing Than any other city in the town And that's yeah, we can't count on us But we've done great things for affordable housing We authorized the housing corporation which has done wonderful work Creating affordable units We're not going to make time to decide There's no way Allen can make 10% of what the canyon eyes Massachusetts have right now. We need over 4,000 units of housing To make that number you can't do it There's only 20 or 25 percent of every 40 feet is affordable human component The other 75 80 percent is market rate One step forward three steps back So that's why I placed this modern article Uh I'm saying why do they have to come here before the time has been There's no money involved. They're just trying to ensure it But I guess you folks want to know what these articles are about But if you have any questions that's my mission And it's not going to be easy because it has to go before the town meeting And if I recall we need three photos To get a pass on a transfer of property I can't recall positively Right now is that um Under the jurisdiction of the conservation tradition or the parks and record That's That's a 97 in the massachusetts state constitution Say you protect property. Yeah, and when I work with The times the town council He says what? This is a desirable thing. We're really going to do about article 97 And there's some question as to how we can do that I guess he consulted with town manager and some other people so we'll look We can place that same kind of restriction on an equal size piece of property In the land we have in lexington whose conservation land basically now But none of it has a chapter 97 attachment to it By doing that by swapping a piece of land or swapping the chapter 97 Over to a piece of the property over in lexington that makes Moncton ball free To transfer Created by deed locked up in perpetuity as a portable housing component And we have about 2.2 percent and that can't change We don't add any more land. We don't subtract any more land If it's one and a half percent of the existing land that number is sure I think we have very few units that are going to inspire That's the only other pick up is a lot of times trying to approach 10 percent or try to approach one and a half percent Expiring use takes that away. Let's expire a use This is all done with grant money federal funding When it's paid off It can regress a market rate A lot of people don't realize that these units disappeared And again with file bills of the state that says, okay, Andy developed under 20 b And we de-restricted in perpetuity Can't get it out of the housing committee But most of the housing committee is made up of people from cities. They don't care They're not threatened matter of fact. They don't need to use water It's only towns we get picked up So that's my story if you have any questions I can send you back up for all the material I've laid on you That's the vision Have you been working with the manager town council on finding carbon on us? Yeah, planning department Got a lot of lorries. You know, she sends everything to DHCD. They are not our friends They'll give a negative Reply almost everything she gives to and I take exception to it. Like I say, I'm a pretty ruling chief council at DHCD The helping you say it can't be carried forward. It's on the deed Carried all tri restrictions with it But we're going to lose off of that count They keep eroding it down to us So in the 19 in 2000 left 2000 when I first started this I would move from at that time. They said the town was that less than 1% We haven't done anything to have added some units But basically with updated the records. I had to go to the secretary of state To get a copy of The substitute subsidized housing inventory We've never been able to get our hands on it as an organization In 2000, I saw the first copy of it and that cost us 400 bucks Since then I haven't seen it. We went to secretary Galvin with a request for us saying What are the 40 b units? No reply. Waited two months Got secretary Galvin involved Within a week we got a copy of the SHI which I now have Did the numbers and I'm saying wait a minute. They told us they built 59 000 units of affordable housing That don't add up because of 15 000 units of duplication in there And a lot of other areas in there to think of a mess So I don't know what we're gonna do about that And I also went to secretary Galvin because we requested That we wanted a definition of what the housing appeals committee defines as The area that they make good decisions on And they they never would give us that but finally through secretary's office. They came back and said Oh, yeah, but it's the hot area. Well, one of my mental tools they retired federal investigators have a lot of work He said gee What's the right number because the metropolitan statistical area the area that we're in Is that 10.3 percent? So what's the goal? Is it 10 percent? Through the area make your choice because we're not all the chairman of the housing appeals committee keeps making decisions on a basis that we need it Because of the area involved. Well, the area involved so needed is at 10.3 So it's a federal battle, but that's That's the basis of the Warren article This will be A select these articles as we're pointing out. There's no appropriation But I think it's a fairly important article. So I don't tend to take as per hope today But when we see what the select one, uh, finally, you're going to recommend We can take a look at it if we want to we can support it That's after most later on. Why don't we get all your questions answered now? John? Yeah If we should hear from the town manager about the financial implications of this Two things come to mind one is Well the building the house is being rented out right now So there's rental income Net of whatever maintenance and upkeep is required and then there's a It seems to me a bigger item, which is that if In lieu of transferring it to the housing authority This property was I don't know declared surplus whatever and sold on the open market Seems to me that it would Generate some revenue I talked to him actually a little bit this week about this Um because a year or two ago. I tried to see if we could do that carve it out and sell the thing but We the way we obtained this in the whole mount goboa area was part of a grant program and You know even Solomon couldn't cut that out um The reason this might be uh Might have an ability to do it is you're transferring it to another public entity That's probably technically not part of arlington, but sort of is So I think this might be we can we do Whether it makes a difference or whether the So I can want to move her head with it, you know, we'll find out But we can't sell it We do get a rent for it My guess is the manager would love to get rid of it Going through the whole process of bidding it out every few years Plus maintenance on it if you've ever seen it, but You know the manager will be in next wednesday So you might want to I usually you know throw it open to questions from the manager So you might want to ask that question Mike my other question is do we know whether the Board of the housing authority is Taking this matter up and voted As to whether they were one to accept the property I guess it's chicken and egg Yes, we're up with the microphone so Kind of a chicken and egg situation, you know, do we establish that we want to do this? And then decide if we're going to do it and nothing says it's automatic We ask for a warrant A lot of change It comes into a town meeting. I'm sure there'll be other things as far as selling the property In my way That'd be kind of insanity because you're only inviting more of you guys I mean you put that on the market That's like gold That put housing up there so fast and you wouldn't you wouldn't take the 10% You're not going to make 10% my lifetime and not going to make 10% your lifetime One and a half is the only way Ali does now escape 40 v Far as a lot of people are beating on me By another initiative petition to collect another hundred thousand signatures and put it on the ballot My favorite job is thinking about it. It's just the house not the whole part of it The house sits on a piece that's Almost two acres The way that he's written the property is 1.795 acres Which gives me my 2.2 percent Okay, for that to be interesting you're going to find out Charlie John, can I ask you a question? Just for clarification You keep saying that you want to make 10 percent How much football housing do we have in Iran? You said that we had more We're at 5.3 percent And that includes public housing and football And we need, you said we need 4,000 more than this At least the last time I worked the numbers I said we'd have to build at least I thought we only had 14,000 residential units in Iran But in order to make The affordable common our affordable common is much less than that I forget the exact number of units. I don't know if I have it with me that are deemed affordable right now But 10 percent of 14,000 is 1,400 Right That's why I stayed here So we don't need 4,000 more You have to build 4,000 only 20 percent of that is going to be affordable Okay, you're saying if you build a new in 20 percent affordable it's 4,000 It's insane Just to carry out a city for example The Wellington street property that's owned by the Salvation Army Does that count? No, because it hasn't got the proper deed restriction filed with the deed DHCB is the rule They're in business to stay in business. They don't want to see towns getting off the hook How's it doing with them for 10 years and they keep taking stuff away instead of helping us gain it? Okay, every question. There's a The church on the downing square of us minister. They're applying for a for a 40v Development there is that Factor is that the fact we move to the percentage that person over the 1.5 percent? Which one? The church off downing square of Westminster That uh, they're from the Zolean border Probably I I didn't bring that list with me. I can tell you every piece is affordable That's coming out. Yeah, we have them within we have affordable units within some of our apartment houses That uh in housing corporation purchased funded And those those come okay, isn't that new to the inventory that happens? Well, the problem with that is I when I first tried to do this If it was in an apartment house, I counted the whole land area Planning and DHCD came back to oh, no, no, no, that's only one of x number of units. So you can only take that percentage I recalculated on that percentage And you know it reduces the number, but then I found out wait a minute if I go back to the master plan That tells me exactly how many square feet in that unit, but it also has an additional factor that says you can take this percentage of the common area and make it part of it and Strangely seems that figure sometimes is more than the actual dimensions of the unit Yeah, I think they're going after a hundred percent is I think seven or four of the units a hundred percent of that Which I assume would be added. There's not a kind of a permanent story But I just wanted to have they have more ways of breaking it up. Uh, if you built a unit A 40 b development with all of the units rental units They come them off as a portal. Yeah, I think that's the plan So only 20 or a portal the rest of them are great I mean that's I think the plan is to have 100 percent affordable. That's what they are Yeah, not there's not too many of those Another question if the Gilbo, if not Gilbo were released from chapter from Martin 97 and uh Transferred to the housing authority Would there would that open the possibility of tearing down the house and building a larger affordable unit on the site? That'd be up to the housing authority the town of allington and whoever's involved Whatever is built there or what remains there Doesn't change the land area The only as long as we don't sell it to a developer But there again if you've got the 2.2 percent you decide what you want to allow and what you don't want to allow It's probably the worst piece of legislation you've ever seen in your life What is that way in zone, you know, I'm pretty sure they're not pleasant Well, my guess is it's probably Are there any other questions for john Okay, john, thank you very much for coming. We're not sure what we'll do but We'll see you at town meeting. I have to sell this again at town meeting No, I guess it's more for the chair is um Regardless of what the select will do this really seems like this is beyond the scope of our duties as a finance community And should just go back and the argument and the reason I'll say that is um Underlying the discussion. I guess is a policy concept that You know the town has an obligation to restrict the or uh, or uh, some kind of Moral charge here to restrict the land use of private property owners and that is not a charge of finance I'm not I mean it seems like this is going outside the Um, the scope of what we do well regardless of what it's like, you know community asked to hear no, no No, I'm happy you heard it. Yeah, I'm not in there We sort of said well, let's we tell you what it's like. I don't I don't know why we need to wait for that. We've heard it with understanding. It doesn't feel like it's our duty but we don't um You know, first of all, it's going to be a slightly main motion All I'm saying is what this is like to do their work You know and when we see it we can decide whether to approve it or not to approve it but to favor it Not favor it do nothing. Whatever you want to do, but you've heard what it's all about. Okay Okay, any other questions for john. Thank you john. Thank you. I appreciate it taking the time a little bit. Okay. Have a good night Thank you Okay with that um Let's make sure I Nope, what was that? Okay, with that do we have some budgets? Yes Okay, if everyone's there to grab their budget book One of my handouts tonight Is uh, we're going to substitute this for the one that's there. Yes, but the change is very simple It would increase uh administrative, uh, assistance salary by two percent Along with everybody else's cost of living and it would return our expenses to what we've been Using in past years So those two together come up for the bottom line of 12,497 Okay, so you're recommending 12,497 are presenting a 2.33 percent increase correct Okay, so move Second Move and second it. Is there any discussion? Any questions? Okay All those in favor of 12,497 we say aye. Aye opposed Okay Approved unanimously to 1050 Next we're going to put the legal That's on page 60 61 Peter and I met with the town council and What page? 61 And basically uh this year, uh, it's the salaries and wages, um that that is negotiated pay raises that increased in the budget We talked about uh other outside legal council for the town and As we all know that they have legal counsel for the new situation as a separate then In town council We also asked on the salary detail For a position that is a stipend for For the safety coordinator for $1,500 and what and what We determined that they explained to us that She's taken on more responsibility And a lot of it has to do with investigations and for arbitration things like sidewalk defects some of the files A court case against the town and this not only sidewalk defects, but I one I I never even thought of but it's true trees Limbs falling a town owned own trees and whatnot and I thought of it the other day when we got installed on the limbs Popping back and forth so um and potholes and potholes and potholes and potholes and potholes And on average they have about 50 of these investigations per year Which they actually have to investigate make they have to rule about whether they're going to Take action on the claim or not take action on the claim or what happens after that so That's why there's a stipend increase That position is risk management stipend On average top 50 And but they do have to physically have to And there's all kinds of reports a lot of So having said that legal total budgets 480,247 and that's when I was I think okay, so is your recommendation? Yes 480,247 dollars. Yes Okay, is there a second second okay Any questions paul So again, if you could make it so the six percent increases salary and wages the top one Right, so where where is that coming from? Why isn't it It wasn't that there's some type of contract It's not I'm sorry, could you repeat the question? Yeah so You're talking about the top top top mine, right? It's right. It's going up six percent Why is it six percent and not two percent? To propose an increase in wages. Well, you've got seven steps right You've got at least two Two steps there. So there's another 4,500 Also paul you see that The last line in that group called salary increases, right? I believe that's supposed to be the net effect of the cost of living this current year, right? So that's not included in his calculation Right I think if you added that into the corner of 15 you'd get closer to it It still makes it about four percent Okay, charlie and then john just I'm not I'm not sure this is directly Question about the individual here, but just a question about how we're how we're interpreting the numbers If I look at the top line on the personnel page It says the fiscal year 2016 budget book was 1389 Now that must include longevity, right? No, that's the salary That's salary without longevity. That's right. Okay. Thank you John. Yeah, two questions Um So our Is the expense line is that outside council? Or is outside council in the budget? I believe that that's part of the outside council And um, what is the the stipend? Right, that was that was um, put in last year That was negotiated. It was midway through the year for additional work That he had been doing for quite some time was actually in another form, but the town manager him last year Discussed that they would put through going to that nine putting for total nine thousand And that was halfway through the year last year One advantage of having a stipend as opposed to uh, a lot of your silent salaries increase system when there's a new person in this Position Now is that a flat sum of money that he's going to get or is that money set aside for additional work that he can earn? No, it's part of this Okay, additional questions don't be shy Okay, so motion has been made and seconded for four hundred eighty thousand two forty seven Oh, is there any further questions or discussion? Okay, all those in favor, please say aye opposed unanimous Okay, next next is the uh town clerk page sixty sixty five For your information this year, you know, we have a presidential primary And you're going to see three ballots instead of two We all know the democrat ballot republican There'd be a third ballot for the united independent party The ballots had to be printed They're blank There are no people running In any In the in the united independent party that doesn't mean that somebody can't take a ballot and write it something But those ballots had to be included and they had to be printed And it has the presidential slot party party chairman slot male and female and then then the 10 committee members, but you see a third ballot that that's what it is That's a new change And in addition some election time for the generally the presidential election in november Uh, we're going to have another type of election prior to that one month before called the um It's not a special it's early election and that's being uh To the secretary of state Where people can vote early And then those ballots will be kept for a month And then counted in the vote tally on election day And they have not determined whether Whether we're going to have one vote in place for that day or two When i check with selector's office, they thought they were leaning towards two. It would be honest They told me on the saturday, but the clerk's office thinks that the secretary of state is going to dictate that it's going to be on Tuesday Um, so if you want to do the open all day if you want to come vote early But that's that's called the uh early election for the presidential election And that's asked me one month before the right to the election So that's that's another change so Unpredictable cost associated with that right She doesn't know how to estimate it because she doesn't know what the rules are yet, right? I guess the jury's still out on how they're going to Do this but they are going to do it so and It'll set just tonight. They were open the clerk's office was open tonight to eight o'clock for final night of Registering if you want to vote And again, it's the same thing that's generated Is the salary and wages that would go across living negotiated contracts and the We kind of have Peter and I asked some questions about the data costs and expenses and And the consulting fees and apparently up at the the comptroller's office They have these two items 5203 and 5219 in a different Stated category one is maintenance and furniture and The other one is Stenotyping it did different categories, but in the clerks The way she presents its data process expenses and consulting so with that budget figure of 272 816 What is it mentioned under mysticism consulting? Why not that's for what? Denograpper. It's denograpper When you when you check with the comptroller's office, that's it's listed as stenographic rather than consulting Because we asked the same question and Stephanie had to go back to the comptroller that's been an explanation And when she emailed us, that's what she explained. This is a town meeting For town meetings, right? So they're only going to get paid for the number of town meetings we have right soon So another reason to keep keep town meetings Down To go late on the last night. Okay. Are there any questions Other questions Okay, david. So are you recommending 272 816? Yes All right the second second Okay So much has been made and seconded for 270 2008 16 All those in favor, we say aye opposed The unanimous to 10 15 16 Okay, and the last one that I have is board of registrars and that's for 65,857 Which I recommend as presented Okay, do I have a second Okay, maybe seconded. Oh, is there any questions? correct Yeah, the increase in salary wages is entirely due to the election Well, it's also contractual But it yes The election because it's yeah, there's a The the traction no, no, it doesn't have any due to the election If you look on the detail page It's flat. That's the 2% for the current year that's not included That's a step That's a step, right so we should be looking at is Apples to apples is the difference between the budget book and the base Budget book for 16 in the base for 17 That increase should be 2% But then they had the step Yes 2% would be about a thousand dollars This is growing up about 30 500 Round numbers That I also do that But that's what position was That's what g4 s6. That's what grade 4 steps 6 actually is So you're saying that includes the step The pay plan includes the step yet, but not next year's step Okay, I'm confused so What's the difference between the budget book for 16 and the base for 17 Is there is somehow a step built in This is a step plus 2% I believe it was a reclassification Oh that for that position. Yes. Um, yeah in the reclassification from last year is that 1853 dollar increase for the assistant registrar of voters Okay, any other questions Paul for helping out Okay, so motion is made in seconded for 65,857 dollars Any further discussions Dean just to confirm what's our I guess I'll call it cap on the pointing authorities to go up the increase because this we're on the pointy authority right now So just to make sure I mean I just get it back in the envelope when I think the whole Both are about the budget book combined 2.8 But that's lower than what we're looking at right Because I think we said it was 325 on the town side Is that right just to confirm um The manager is going to be giving us some probably amended budget sheets um And the long-term planning committee is meeting tomorrow morning, but We should be targeting three to three and a quarter. I think we'll get some more information on that Overall and I think usually when the manager does it he looks at All the non-school budgets And and you know puts it under his cap I think uh, we try to go through into a little bit more on the other appointing authorities and make sure they're staying reasonably close to Now this is 642 what was the total up to 28? I get it Okay, so yeah the two to get it. Yeah. Yeah Okay, any other questions All those in favor of 65 a 57 we say aye opposed Okay favorable action You're the animus 210 16 Okay, that's all I have at this time. Peter and I have been meeting with the uh, select one and tell me Okay, that sounds good. Peter. Do you have any? Yeah planning and community development On page 77 there really no There really no changes from last year the uh, there are lots of offsets Plans that are not the general fund But they're the same kinds of things as in the past there is a I believe there are two vacant positions. Oh, no, I guess that's one of the fields So they have there's one vacant position to replace the fill and the salary line goes down because the new Planning director is getting more money getting less money than the previous one was meeting That's right, right for once She starts I think next week Talked to Laura Wiener with the temporary farm ahead and she had boosted herself our straps and Was well well informed on the budget 410 630 not yet printed Okay, uh D on salary from wages On the top line 477 97 80 That am I saying it wrong or is that a transposition error from the net from the back sheet Which number you are you the 477 978 you mean sure it's 477 978 on the cover On the back it's 479 778 or am I seeing that wrong? I checked that number If you take 475 131 the total Base that's the the step in longevity Not the step just a step Plus two is 477 If you see subtotal under base Is 475 131 And then you add the step of 2847 You get 477 978. Oh presented slightly different Well, no, it's different than on the other one Oh, but no longevity on the one we just did. Uh, I get it Thank you Peter Okay, the additional questions Charlie. Do you have one? Okay, Ellen just to remind of the uh some book There are two the home fund officer The home fund is a Fundal of state money that's uh made available to a consortium of towns of which we're one for Florida, I think it's primarily for affordable housing a little interest the conservation commission has A $10,000 General $10,534 in their wetland fees fund that's where the uh offset for Oh We're talking about the three thousand two and two conservation They still seem to see You know, I'm going through a lot of these and the budget book is what we appropriated from last year So let's say economic development coordinator 87 we appropriated last year 87 147 and The new base Is 92 336 So that's like a five thousand dollar increase Versus Which should be like two, you know, which is a six percent increase Versus what's supposed to be is a two percent increase. You know, you sort of see this down the line maybe I'm missing something but Unless they were if you take the grade and step and go to the pay plan that's what you find there You see the 92 336 Any additional questions going back to the question just raised them Wasn't that a new tire as well On that no, no, she's worked here for quite a few years On the economic development coordinator. Oh, no, I thought you talked about winner. No, no Because 87 so that should include all the steps. That's everything except longevity, which is a separate fine item and then The only thing they should get is a two percent Once for some reason the two percent weren't built in before but I don't think so I think The two percent's not in the budget vote. Is that what you mean? Well, if the difference between 16 and 17 Should be a two percent raise These are all higher Well, it should be four percent because it's two years It's still higher Yeah, it's the current year which was not included in the in the salaries that we voted It was included in the warrant are 87 147 what you'll find there That's right. That's in the budget here This was a little over this year Right. So see I thought these people were all over three years I think there's a step also Now we vote. Okay. I stand corrected We voted all the contracts in 2015 So In effect you'd be getting four percent That's what that in general that's what they all show they all show. Okay. Okay Staying correct. It's long to make sure Wait, it's gonna be that maybe an issue for us in our report. I don't know Okay, so we know what they're not all for I think that's a channel some of them are four and some of them are six You know, that's right but Right because the second person on the chart and the third person on the chart have the same f y 2017 base But they don't have the same f y 2016 base So in order to get there one has to go up six and the other one has to go up four Exactly, right I think the question is why does one go up six? That's the question I think you're trying to get the chest trying to get up So We need to ask the manager whether since he had a little Wiggle room because of the lower salary for the director And they give some merit increases to A few of the other staff The one has longevity Well, the base is both the same they're kept out at 3 and 12 And then Laura has longevity You can only do that on the on the end schedule That's what you're talking about, you know Of course it'd be a little more than two and two because there'd be two plus and two on that So I don't know maybe it'll be 4.1 or 4.2 percent or something like that 2000 Okay Okay, any other questions Okay, so do I have a motion for 4 10 6 39 So moved second Moved and seconded any further discussion or questions All those in favor, please say aye. Aye posed unanimous two 10 16 And that might be something to check this just as you go through your you know the personnel You know double check it against the paying classification plan And if there's something you know like out of the ordinary You know, we obviously please raise it with your people Okay, Peter Concerning a redevelopment board The next step right after that one right after planning We go to page 81 you see that they Redevelopment board proper is Doesn't have any any salaries the level funded its expenses, but then The way that budget books Layed out this year. They've got a page which says general fund general fund rental properties and then that deals with farmland The down library The planning department doesn't doesn't really have anything to do with these those buildings anymore. They're The manager is doing those directly I suppose that the properties people are are dealing with them We haven't met with manager yet so I don't know what to say about the rental properties we could both the we could work both the red the Redevelopment redevelopment board proper in the past the The budget had shown those rental properties as part of the Formally There is one salary Takes care of Last year they finally put the revenues in and this year they aren't in Okay And I have the manager to provide those Okay, so why don't we uh, we can set the uh rental properties on it You report back when you when you get the information. I don't see any reason we can't vote the redevelopment board 10,800 it's the same as the prior year. Is that what you're recommending? Yes Okay Does anybody have any questions on that? Okay, did they get in the sheets of the revenues are here I'm sure those are in the sheets if anyone would like to know what they are. They're not on the paper Excel files. I'm sorry. We're already in the excel files. Oh, they're in the excel files. Yeah So if you'd like to know the revenues, I have the numbers Where are we? They're on the third sheet that's called rental property market. Oh, they all buy themselves There's there's a there's a sheet from rental property market that has the details of the rental properties defeated. Oh good So they gave them on the excel files, but not on the uh In the print out Okay, so They do have something Okay, but back to the redevelopment board. It's basically the uh advertising office expenses, etc Is your motion for 10? Eight Okay, second Okay, any questions on just the redevelopment board 10 800 Paul they do seem to over budget that a bit every year, but it's a pretty small amount so Just looking at the 14 and 15 actuals Yeah, they don't spend much money You see their over budget home They over their budget is higher than they are expensive. It's three times what they spend mostly in the other categories Have you met with them on anybody with the manager on this? Peter? Uh, no, we haven't met with the manager yet. Well, you know, it's it's a good point You know Having a little extra money in there is not a sin, but Usually we don't see it Of appropriating three times the expenditures Uh, even though it just goes back into free cash Why don't you ask if you thought this could be trimmed a bit? Okay, it's small dollars, but What does seem one possibility is as you noted in the number of warrant articles on Zoning was a lot less the last few years because of the master plan work and Maybe this this line of printing ballots and bylaws will go up this year because of all the zoning Things that are coming along Good question. Why don't you ask that? If they need the 10-8 then they need the 10-8, but they haven't certainly haven't spent it And always make it a point never criticize the department head for not spending money Okay, uh, are you have anything else Peter? No, okay Uh, does anybody else have any other budgets? Paul? What somebody wants the table until Peter comes back? I'll move to table Okay, do you have a second? Second, all those in favor of tabling we say aye. All right. Okay opposed So that's table but right to She's had that other motion on the table Okay, does anybody else have any budgets paul? I have the police budget page 123 I guess we could really get rid of community safety. Yes After wandering through the construction going on in the Is it still going to be safety building? No, I don't think it's going to be called the police station if that's the only people there So after wandering through the construction of the police station, we we found the chief and we were able to meet with him the other day Um Just uh A couple notes about where they stand on the current fiscal year And the the chief believes they Will not have any need for any reserve fund transfer At this point it looks like they'll have a surplus in overtime that that may change because of some Things coming along, but they also have a they're also under spending the salaries and wages because they currently have six vacancies They do have six recruits going to the academy in march So that so they will be on the payroll, but they still have to Spend overtime because they are Because they won't be trained and then up to to full speed for about nine months Luckily he has no retirements this year that would add a big chunk But he anticipates in probably january next year There will be a retirement of a long time tenant who has the deferred money from the 90s So it's going to be kind of an expensive retirement That hasn't actually been budgeted for for next fiscal year The big change That that shows up in salaries and wages is that they are adding two police officers So Alan You'll The captain's lieutenants sergeants numbers stay the same But you should add two to the patrol and bring it up to 49 patrolmen As the manager said in his introduction here to the budget book those police officers are to Finally have two officers full-time on traffic issues The chief said that we're one of the few towns around that has no one dedicated to traffic So they're finally going to do that um At one point in our discussion. I asked just just totally hypothetical if he had $50,000 more to spend Where would he spend it and he said he would do it on a third traffic officer, so he thinks he can make some Significant improvement in Uh People obeying the traffic laws in harlington by introducing these these two new officers I mean like direction You mean like directionals using directions What kind of enforcement? Yeah, he anticipates Stopping people and mostly giving out warnings and just by um that process He thinks that people who regularly drive through harlington will start to You know sort of expect that there could be a police officer around the corner and that they will Hopefully get in the habit of Hoping the laws a little better I guess I meant what kind of um What do you see as the biggest violations of traffic that need to be Critero, um speeding crosswalks or anything that's Well, um, I guess it was It was the pedestrian crosswalk safety that that he certainly has gotten the most attention over the last few years with a few Fatalities on mass air So that's the the one thing he did he did mention So Going through the lines Again because of these Vacancies that will not be completely filled until the fall They're actually yeah till till actually I guess Nine months after march 1st. So I guess that's actually comes to the the end of the year That's why if he expects more overtime in the coming year And that's why the overtime number went up Um all the other Personnel expenses are just a the minor 2% increases they have Uh on the Expenses as we hope to see in other budgets the Auto gas and oil is going down with the get price of gas um the numbers for uniform allowance And firearms and ammunition Are are going up again just to Equip the new recruits with the uniforms they'll need and the Ammunition they're going to expand when they're at the academy to get their full firearm certification uh The $20,000 Is listed as teleprocessing that that's really It expense within the department as They are getting more and more Automated which I think is a good thing and makes better use of the people One of the things that that covers is some Additional licensing for their new online Reporting system that that allows citizens to report minor Uh crimes Accidents whatever online Instead of having to send an officer out to actually take the report down Which he says can consume like an hour of work for an officer Between the time they have to go and interview the people and then they have to go back and type everything in so That's where that Major expense increase comes from The one other thing you talked about is on the on the next page, which is the finish of the expense lines the The psychological testing number that's there He believes that's that's actually going to be Somewhat under budgeted The three thousand Was budgeted just on the idea that for each of these six new recruits They have to do 500 dollars work of initial psychological testing whenever an officer starts But this doesn't include money that sometimes is needed when there's officers have Show problems with doing their jobs And he has an arbitration suit that will be coming up to he will have to have the The psychological testers outside contractor Come in and testify in the arbitration. So he's likely to overspend that account in the coming year He also talked about The Maintenance of the building once they do finish the work, which we hope will be this summer Um, he uh will have the They're he's going to work really hard at maintaining the building Instead of letting it go to pot like happened with the building before Now I'm not clear. He says the the janitor Still shows up under his budget and it has not yet been moved to the facility's budget Is that I don't know whether anyone knows more about that Um, but we assume that some some points soon in the future that will change right, you know, um, there is a new facilities manager and All of the existing facilities whether it's supposed to move under her that probably will be next fiscal year Okay But in fact, um, I think That she is during the fiscal year 17 supposed to be Actually managing these people Even though the y-hubs are in the okay different departments And I can add to that And you're correct And you know our additional employees in the facilities department budget this year Reflecting the plan of bringing everything into this one department So they could put two custodians in a building for a couple weeks and then Or shift the facility people There's a leak in this building Sounds good Okay, well so Going back to the the first page then, um, I'm recommending the Budget as printed Which is a total of 7,972,573 Okay, is there a second Okay, uh questions So we're you know the big change is We are adding to patrolmen To focus on traffic control and enforcement issues pedestrian safety Etc etc considering Kind of few people die that might be a reasonable use of resources Any questions or discussion So and just one other note if you if you're looking through the actual personnel list of patrolmen It's listing 51 patrolmen Two of them will be promoted to sergeant and you see there are two vacancies on sergeant Where the only dollar amount associated with the vacancy is the difference between the patrolman's salary and the sergeant's salary So while it looks like there are 51 patrolmen Budgeted it's it's actually really 49 patrolmen and a full Um nine sergeants Okay, so all right. I'll make sure I'm not think I'm reported all that Is explained with uh Because we'll probably add it together. Okay, john Going back to the study them How come there there's nothing there are no Expenses salary or otherwise. Oh, maybe it has been moved to the uh The facilities Again The other thing is I thought Crossing guards under no I think they're in the school budget They haven't been on the police since The initiation of prohibition to an app The police that what coordinates that But it's under the school budget Okay, chow Yes, well Did they comment on why this is why the uniformed badging The gloves are up so much and why the Issues up so much. I'm sorry. Why what the increase is in the uniform of badges and gloves looks like more than two people It's six people Oh, it's six people I can't think you're straight They used them Actually and I should There are Six people who were going to the academy Now that that actually does not include There there will be eight people because then they're the six people are just to fill vacancies And then there'll be two additional people with the uh new budget and that's the same thing for the end Right So you don't think that these new young guys continue the same uniforms opinion 55 year old guys are not anymore now. They used to actually have They had a room uniforms used uniforms And and the new officers have to have to pick some didn't fit something I worked two weeks without the uniform and carried a gun up and down the street went along to this 12 of us couldn't have uniforms So if it was 12 people walking up and down I'm not saying but guns on people didn't know about You go to texas everybody Okay, um Are there any additional questions grant? I just want to make a comment. Actually, I don't know. Um, I was very surprised I stopped in the police station in the Well, I stopped him to pick up a traffic report and they were all in the community in the um Cusack center next door the basement and they're like 10 by 10 look like an old-fashioned steno pool And every single person there is like shoulder shoulder. They're all writing reports. We're all doing. I don't see how they could accomplish anything in there And it's just that's a unbearable environment to be in so I'll be you know, we'd like to meet over there, but I'll be glad they'll be glad to get their building They actually have more room where they are now than what they did I mean, they're like No, that was incredible. I mean, it's just I over there. Thank you. I think the project is supposed to be finished in two I or august Okay, are there any other questions on the police budget? Okay motions the vain seconded for seven million nine seventy two five seventy three All those in favor we say aye opposed Deanimous in 16 Okay, any other budgets? Okay, any other budgets for rough or anybody else? It is 9 11 well We're considering Okay, next monday is What used to be washington's birthday now president's day, uh, so we will not be so monday Go speed take the day off Uh, on february 17th We have two articles one is uh tourism Article 44 and the other the manager is coming in on a couple of articles So save up all your manager questions Now, uh, I'd like to get some budgets for next wednesday because you know, I don't think that will take a huge amount of time The 22nd As you can see is the conservation water bodies coming in Uh, arts and culture they want some additional money the capital budget capacity. That's an article 10 register voter article Dealing with the uh school capacity, so It's a little early because the enrollment task force is not meeting again till february 23rd, so Uh, and then the next few are uh are open So if some of you can please get budgets in for the 17th that would be great Uh, paul, we should have the fire budget. Okay, that would be great. Uh, are there any other questions? Any other business before the meeting? Meeting adjourned