 What's so beautiful about it is it's so relaxed, and it's so easy, and it's so natural I remember Gary and I were in Mexico a while back I think Jennifer Haley invited us down and we were having a nice lunch and and Gary was saying I'm so grateful just to be able to have a lunch with you and just have a natural conversation and he's talking about the Boston Red Sox and and His life, you know playing guitar and all these things the passions the passions we've lived passionate lives We have to let that come out That's a part of the window dressing and the spirit can use that the spirit, you know We didn't come together and just all for the whole Hour and a half we enjoyed the meal. We enjoyed each other's company, you know Let's enjoy every holy encounter in a in a natural way and letting it come across, you know Because I remember growing up and and hearing stories of Course in miracles groups where people would get into an argument instead of the one where Bill roping out the page It was like ending with I'm not here and you're not here and we're not having this conversation And I used to think oh God Talk about a top-down Where Jesus has always bought him up. He's using all of the egoic passions all of the Egoic thoughts and structures all the egoic wants and desires and he's saying I got it You know, I want you to have some fun. I Know that you have an ego pattern. It has to be undone and he says and I know the best way to do it And it's through fun. It's through joy. It's through happiness. It's not through like aestheticism of going out and Jesus talks about some of those and I need to do nothing section fighting against sin You know, it doesn't sound actually like a very fun life If you're fighting against sin every day Wow and and he says your way will be different a holy Relationship is giving you as the means of awakening. Well, here we are this is our holy relationship and and then he even goes so far as to Describe what a holy relationship is because he never leaves you hanging He says you and your brother are together and that's still a way of talking about the oneness in terms of Duality you and your brother are together. Let's be happy together. Let's be joyful together Let's sing a happy song soon. We'll have to be having a happy dance To me, it's so practical, but it's so natural and I loved years ago in the 1990s when I would go to one of my students house and I would be there and everything and and One student was raised Catholic. She was in the course and her her husband was Jewish and and He was kind of like on the periphery like Like listening to everything that was being said and very orthodox to coming closer and closer feeling all the love and Just it's so it's expired and then he'd say to me David come in and watch this basketball game with me and I'd say okay And we'd go and we're sitting on the couch and the other students would be like How could you go to this guy's house and? watch a basketball game with He's not even a course student. He's Jewish and all this stuff and I'm like and then and they then they said and how can you? Treat his wife so different you have these deep probing Kind of conversations with her like it's everything and I said, you know, it's it's all involuntary It's just that she has all these questions and he has questions too And he asked them at his own rate and and he comes to me and we have fun Sitting there laughing watching a basketball game and joy. It's about sharing the joy. It's not about the metaphysics We don't need to be having deep metaphysical conversations and As Gary and John and James know when you travel a lot, you're you're not meeting people that are interested On the road all over the place. You don't go into restaurants and okay I was pondering if time is real or not, you know, the waitresses don't come up with that You have so many opportunities to let the spirit pour through you in a natural way of being friendly being kind like Ken was and and doing it in numerous Situations that you can't even imagine and letting them all be orchestrated by Jesus. So so there's an ease about it It's not an awkward thing. You're not trying to promote a thought system. You're trying to live a thought system