 Like to thank all of the panelists that have participated in this session We just have a couple of minutes for maybe one or two questions if anybody has some Confused with intelligence and with processing So like the Fermi paradox asserts this problem of Action thresholds that we've never encountered and asks why how many counter them exist Similarly with with Kurzweil's epics if advanced civilization is hypothetically capable of waking the universe up Why is the universe not already owing? I Scenario, but I would say that from whatever point a civilization is bringing about this waking up Kurzweil seems to imply that that It will proceed forth from wherever they originated and they could be potentially far far away from us and I think that the New God argument also Discusses this a little bit where You know, we shouldn't necessarily assume it just because we haven't heard from from they're not out there but this waking up as I understand it is limited by the amount of matter in the universe and How how you can bridge the gap between those broad vast areas of Emptiness and but I haven't contemplated much further on on that particular issue I actually have a so Nick Bostrom Takes the Fermi paradox to lead to the conclusion that the advanced Civilizations are not out there. Okay, and he he he does Take into account the perspectives of people who claim to have UFO Experiences and stuff like that and then he dismisses those as evidence Okay, but one of the things we talk about on our paper is that what he fails to consider as potential Sort of like data for experience of these civilizations is the history of humanities Individual in individuals claims to have contact with the divine. Okay, so maybe what that can point us towards is that these advanced civilizations are Capable of communicating with us in ways that's difficult for us to sort of Say for sure that this is communication from you know an advanced civilization But these means that you know people have experienced they claim to have these experiences You know since the beginning of humanity of having these this contact with the divine and and so similarly with your question Is that maybe that maybe that has happened? But that given our you know makeup for whatever reason we're unable to see it or detect it and that we will be when we When we you know become gods ourselves or become neo-humans All right