 old mate what's going on brother what's your name Jack good brother how are you how old are you man how old are you bro i'm 17 17 yeah just checking to consent for the interview it's all good so this statement here i'm asking people whether they agree with it do you agree that animals that don't have any rights any liberty they're sold for profit you know at these live auctions do you think that they're slaves or it's a slave trade i don't i don't believe they're slaves i don't believe that the animals have the sentience and the capacity to understand what's really happening to them okay and to us it's just like a necessary consequence okay so that so animals aren't sentient enough to value their own freedom uh well no no i don't think so because they don't really understand do they so like it doesn't know what's really happening when it's put into that truck or wherever it's off to but neither would a small child yeah that is true should that dictate whether or not they're enslaved or not like no but a child's different from an animal with a way yeah but we're only talking about sentience and whether or not they're fully aware of what would happen to them that is true yeah and what was the what was the next thing you said um animals so first of all is they're not sentient enough to be aware of that but i think they're sentient enough to value their their freedom and you know when the knife goes across their throat they're they're losing their life and that that would fight against yeah and animals instinctive to survive survive yeah yeah and they become scared they do yeah and they feel pain that is also true so you say we're different right well i i think you believe that us and animals i think we're different as well but the things that we have in common we're obviously both self-aware you know yeah well not not necessarily equal but there's marginal humans that might have a mental capacity they might have a mental uh disability we wouldn't treat them the way we treat cows yeah based on their sentience level or their intelligence so but what we have in common is there's a level of sentience there that you can agree they feel pain and they suffer they want to live you agree with that they value their families if they get their child stolen and killed they would be upset with that you would agree with that they treat they do they do yeah but okay i have no argument you can't beat me on that one so so do you think that they can be slaves like animals can be victims of slavery and of murder not victims of slavery because slavery slavery is like like using them they're not being used they're being murdered really for what why are we murdering them why are we using them kfc exactly so that their bodies are being eaten and sold yeah well we don't do that with people slave trades like when but what let's just say if we did what would you call that if we know if we rounded up human beings took away their liberty genocide it could be you know animals are considered property animals are considered legal property of their owners yes so if a human being was considered property by their owner what would that be slavery okay so why isn't it slavery in the animal context what is that about them first story i have an argument for that yeah neither did i that's why i'm a vegan i'll never be vegan i love me too much but that's about a document you love me too much yeah i love about the slavery fact you don't care about that no i'm sorry they make a burger there's not there's nothing that would stop you from eating meat ever nothing can put me off me but you ever watched slaughterhouse footage what food you ever seen animals be butchered and killed have you ever seen a gas chamber before uh yes i've heard about how it fits our switch no no pigs a gas chamber here in the uk what a gas yeah the gas chamber i don't know why i didn't know about yeah pigs a gas chamber here in the uk i don't know yeah a third of all pigs killed in gas chambers let's see if we can find it for you so you can see do you eat pigs uh yeah i love bacon you love bacon yeah do you think this animal was uh not wanting to die probably not let's have a look see if we can find the gas chamber footage when i first heard it yeah are they getting lowered into there they're thrashing and screaming in there okay sometimes they tear their hooves off their little trodders off down at the bottom of the chamber because they're just trying to struggle and escape the industry we're calling that humane for 25 years it ain't humane i'll give it that but ain't right you don't think that's right i don't think it's right but you would never stop doing well i wouldn't stop eating them no yeah because by virtue of your dollar or your pound you go in a supermarket you're paying them to do that to them you know that eh that is true yeah so do you feel like there's some blood on our hands if we eat meat it depends on the way you look at it which way are you looking at it i'm looking at the way we are my hands on day i just enjoyed it but so if i were to pay a hitman to go kill someone would i be morally culpable morally responsible i'll say him let's just say in court trigger sorry i'll say i'll start pulling the trigger if you're hiring him and yeah yeah but i'm not hiring a farmer to go and stab a cow well you kind of are that's more or less what their owner's doing the owner is actually paying them to go and kill the animals so what do these places exist for simply just really i'm not trying to it's not a trick question just breed them make more food to make meat make dairy make eggs for who us and you're one of them so if everyone who was like you that ate meat dairy eggs and animal products stopped what would happen to these industries they'll be ruined that go under wouldn't they and what would happen to these animals this wouldn't this would stop happening wouldn't it yeah but then what would happen to animals after that would they just be set free what happened to them yeah because we it would slowly phase out over time and there wouldn't be a bunch of animals left on earth we'd stop breeding them wouldn't we that is true yeah but then what would happen to their population it could die out i think we all think that if we don't if we don't breed and kill animals they die out what about like what about other animals like wild animals this industry stops sorry don't know what happens if this industry stops we've basically captured every single cow and pig and everything like that so yeah there weren't wild animals wild cows and wild pigs before we started breeding them and killing them there wasn't there was yes yes that's how we started capturing them so they won't go extinct if we stop holocausting billions of them we don't know but they'll probably still live on so you don't think this is slavery well this is actually uh a man sticking his hand in the anus of a cow why do you think they do that so he's putting his hand in her anus to hold the cervix to inject bullsemen so through the anus he's holding the cervix and then with his other hand is injecting bull semen into her why would he be doing that breed them yeah for what industry in particular do you think that was me no that was a dairy industry that's a dairy industry to produce milk cows need to be milked well to produce milk humans need to be milked well they need to be pregnant don't know yeah yeah so cows need to be pregnant too okay i didn't know that cows had to be pregnant to produce milk these are the calves in fairness i do like a glass of cold milk every now and then yeah you know the baby cow bro another baby cow these are baby cows here i want to be a baby cow now then well separated from your mother in those little pens this is in the uk yeah fair enough it's pretty grim so you still don't think that's slavery like just even if you're going to continue to do it i'm not asking oh in my opinion ain't slavery but it's morally wrong to the animals yeah it's morally wrong but it ain't slavery for some reason no that you haven't given me i don't know i just don't see it as slavery but okay that's just the way i see it you can see it as slavery so you would say the problem with our treatment of animals is the way we view them because if you don't see it as slavery then it's not slavery then it doesn't exist if i if i kill an animal and i don't say it's murder that's not murder that's um humane slaughter it's it's fine okay i like to have an argument you got me there again you know what i'm saying like just because you don't see it as slavery doesn't mean it's not objectively slavery when you look at it i just don't see a slavery but i've probably seen a slavery and not yeah you've been brought up like i was yeah conditioned by the same culture i just grew up liking me a lot more than uh my local lettuce so well what about vegan burgers vegan cheese vegan ice cream never liked any of them you never tried have tried a vegan burger before my mate's vegan never liked the food though really yeah what about a beyond burger you had a beyond burger i'm no clue what beyond burger is no well you know what bro how about i'll give you this little card and maybe one day you might have a realization that's land of hope and glory all filmed in the uk that's cowspiracy and what the health that's a vegan challenge on facebook it's free i might one day but right now i've no panca vegan yeah but you couldn't i just want you to say yeah that's slavery is it the slave trade you know you know how i how i um get to you know objectively viewing something whether it's wrong or right just put humans in place of the animals and what is it the night will be slavery put humans instead of animals yes so you have to work out what the difference is between us why we can be enslaved and they can't what why are they so below us cheers brother that's all right good chat with you taste justifies a holocaust of animals um no i don't