 But rubber baby, veggie bumpers. Oh, it's okay. Rubber baby, she sells seashells by the seashore. Sally says seashells. Do you actually do you actually do those exercises, Tom? Every day, right before the show, aluminum, linoleum. The the bank robber had oddly shaped feet. Or was it from that one? No, that doesn't come out to say at all. No, that's the one from Ron Burgundy, where he right before he goes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, vocal exercises. The bank robber had oddly shaped feet. And then the human lords, the human lords, the human torch applied for a bank load or something. It's really weird. You term is what applied for a bank loan. OK, OK. Yeah, I'm going to just make a hash of that one now. I might. Although it might be a help that you guys all took an attempt at it. It's not that you have pressure, the pressure, but also familiarity that are battling in my head. I have long. I have long made jokes about how, like, that that is an element of all of your success for which, like, I I know I just don't have talent. Is the the, like, let's read off the feature list of the new stories. Like that just not. I have a very high opinion of my talent. That is I feel that I have any kind of a business doing. But it always impresses me that you have a commitment to, like, the full back of the box feature. Well, for good or for ill, we're going to put it to the test again in a moment. Let me hide. OK. And then I will need to have control. Do you have control? I don't think. No, I do not have control. There you go. All right. And I gave Roger the the producer's privilege to interject in our Nintendo conversation if he just can't stop himself, otherwise. But I probably won't because my mic will probably be off. That's right. Exactly. All right. Here we go. Three, two. This show is brought to you by audience members like me, not outside organizations. To find out more, go to daily tech news show dot com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, October 20th. Happy birthday to my brother, Tim, 2016. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today. Mr. Justin Robert Yonko, hosting as he does most Thursdays. How are you, sir? Welcome back. It's good to be back stateside. You know, I'm glad to be out of the clutches of Europe. And I'm glad that there's nothing else European that's followed me back, you know, here to the Daily Tech News Show. USA, USA, USA. Wow. Yeah. I mean, I appreciate that sentiment. And now I feel a little awkward introducing from France and Finland. Patrick Beja joining us again today. Oh, quarantine, quarantine. Close the doors. Close the doors before anything else gets in. You don't listen. You don't have the world yet. So I'm free to come here. And also I was told I was invited here in the capacity of an audience member of a political debate, so I should just sit back and just refrain from applauding or making any sorts of comments. Please remain silent until we ask you to ask your question. Except for right now, as the candidates make their way out. No, we asked Patrick to come back because we're talking about Nintendo's new console, the Nintendo Switch, which we will discuss at length after we get through the rest of the top stories. But just the short version is it's coming in March 2017 and it's a hybrid tablet console. So Patrick has been following Nintendo. He said, would you say an enthusiast? Is that a good choice of words? Yeah, I'm a gaming enthusiast and definitely a Nintendo enthusiast. So we'll talk about that in a bit. Also, Google's Daydream VR headset just went up for pre-order in the UK, Germany and the US. Now here are some more top stories. Razer just announced an update to its 17.3 inch Razer Blade Pro laptop. The line now starts off with a 2.6 gigahertz quad-core Intel Core i7-6700 HQ Skylake processor, an Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 desktop card, PCIe M.2 SSD storage, ranging from 512 gigabytes all the way up to two terabytes, if you want. 32 gigabytes of 2113 megahertz DDR4 RAM standard. It starts there. You could go up Killer Doubleshot Pro NIC. That's Killer the Brand, not my own description of the NIC. Does 82.11 AC Wi-Fi and gigabit ethernet. USBC Jack that doubles as Thunderbolt 3 so you can get up to 40 gigabits per second bandwidth. The multi-touch display has a 3840 by 2160 Exo panel. It also comes with HDMI ports, three USB 3.0 ports, so we're not going only USB-C, has an SD card reader. And as for the keyboard, the Verge's Vlad Sevaev called pushing the buttons a joy. They really like the keyboard over there. Trackpad sits to the side of the keyboard rather than below, which in the picture is to the right. So left-handers may have an issue with this. I don't know if they'll have different configurations there. All of it fits into a 22.5 millimeter thickness and 7.8 pounds or 3.54 kilograms of weight. The Razer Blade Pro starts shipping in November for a price of $3,699. You got to wonder if that's modular, that you can either like by by factory or even at your house, flip the the configurations. Configure, I would hope so. Yeah, even the keyboard thing, especially. Yeah, yeah. I'll tell you what, it looks like a beast. It is a desktop. I mean, everybody says this is a desktop in a laptop. This is literally a desktop in a laptop. That GeForce card in there is the desktop card. If you didn't, if you missed that part, that is not the 1080 mobile card. It's, you know, these things are transportable. They're the kind of thing that you can take around with you if you move around, if you're a pro gamer, these kinds of things. So calling it a laptop is a little bit misleading, but it's portable. Yeah, I mean, it will technically sit in your lap. Technically, yeah, but it's also almost eight pounds. Yeah, I mean, it has a listen, your car is also mobile. That we don't see the power supply and I'm suspecting it's not tiny. There's a separate backpack for the power supply that you need. Exactly, no. Listen, the good news is it has a readily available power supply called diesel fuel. Right, you just plug that generator in. Now, this thing is a beast and it's really nice and it's an update to the 17.3 inch Razer Blade Pro and quite an impressive one at that. I'm not going to get one necessarily, mostly because of the price point. But if this is what you need, even honestly, if you're not a gamer, if you just need a portable, high powered computer for, I don't know, AutoCAD or 4K video editing or something, this could be the beast. Well, this is basically the best computer you can buy, desktop or laptop. It's the top of the line components. So that has something. Tesla announced Wednesday that all new cars in production will be equipped with, quote, the hardware needed for full self-driving capability, and quote, including the Model 3. The hardware includes eight surrounded cameras, 360 degree visibility at up to 250 meters, 12 ultrasonic sensors and a forward-facing radar, as well as a more powerful on-board computer. Self-driving will not be active in these cars, but features will be added by software as they are tested. However, the system will collect data on driving conditions to help Tesla develop autonomy. Tesla plans to demonstrate the tech by having a car travel from LA to New York without any driver guidance by the end of the year, which looking at my Apple much, not far away. End of end of 2018, I thought. Oh, end of next year, 2017, sorry. 2017, yeah. End of next year. So year in change to do it. This is obviously going to be something that Tesla wants to make a big deal about. They've gotten certainly battered about this year with a lot of what, you know, they call their autopilot feature. You know, it's going to be we are moving into a more mature area for self-driving cars. I mean, that is something that's kind of beyond conversation at this point. The question is, how do we handle it now that it is real? Do we want to buy it? Do we want to legislate around it? Do we want to make it easier? Do we want to make it tougher, not only here in the US of A, but also in Europe? So and Asia and everywhere else. So, you know, I think it's going to it's going to be it's going to be interesting. But this seems in reading between the lines here, like a Tesla that's kind of learned a very small PR lesson from this year with the. If you look at the way that they launched autopilot, right, where it was, let's call it autopilot. Number one, let's bring a bunch of people, a bunch of tech reporters in and we'll put them on a roller coaster track and effectively try to spook them with how fast it goes without hands on the wheels. This seems like moderate. This seems like a solid step that you would want from a technologically progressive car company like Tesla. And yet it's a big leap to just go ahead and future proof your cars. I mean, there's a couple of risks there. One is raising the cost of manufacturing for a company that still isn't showing a profit. The other is saying these are the sensors. These are the computers. These are the radar that we're going to rely on for several years. So we're going to go ahead and put them in now instead of equipping them after market now granted, Tesla probably prefers to do that because there's supply chain efficiency. So maybe that makes it worth the cost. But you're taking a big risk that these are all going to work with software updates down the line and work well. Well, there's also a couple of things here. Number one, Elon Musk has said that retrofitting with these sensors after the fact is almost as expensive as the car. So the only time it does make sense to put them in from a price capacity is in the manufacturing phase. Obviously, you can't turn around a car in a calendar year. These things are very long in production. But also there's the fact that they move back the delay or they move back the delivery date for the Model 3. That's obviously what they are banking on Tesla going from a luxury brand to something that a more average from from luxury to merely kind of rich. You know, people will be able to buy them and this is what they want to be kind of a standard element that they want people to think. And maybe this is a little bit of explanation of why they want to push things back. Is that, well, hey, look, sure, you're not going to get it when we initially told you to, but look at what's going to be there when you do. Yeah, exactly. And you know that your car will be able to do cooler things with every software update because of that. Airbnb announced Wednesday it will ban users from listing multiple houses for rent in the cities of San Francisco and New York under a policy called one host, one home for a restrictive policy. It has a real snappy name. Airbnb introduced the policy for New York on June 1st, but says it now has technology to enforce it that will go into operation on November 1st. They didn't make clear what that technology was. Airbnb will introduce a three strikes policy for violations as well. A bill that would fine short term rental operators for violating New York state laws, in other words, hitting them with a fine, arrived on Governor Cuomo's desk Wednesday. He hasn't till October 29th to sign or veto the bill, and indications are he'll probably sign it. You know, it's. So go ahead. No, please, please. I'm only a merely European. I thought the entire last segment. Go, go, go. So it's kind of interesting, these kinds of, you know, Airbnb working with the administration so much. It's I think the curmudgeons are going to say, you can always create multiple accounts and you can fool it. And yes, that is true, but it still makes it inconvenient enough. And it points out the legal questions enough that I think it is going to have an effect. And that's a clever way of trying to appease everyone. So I wonder if they're going to implement these outside of, you know, in other administrative areas, maybe not limited to one, but maybe have one or two or three properties to make sure that people don't actually make this into a full business, which of course is not regarded kindly by the authorities usually. So the funny thing about Airbnb is compare them to Uber. Uber and Airbnb have both had this sort of like hard hat, go to war mentality when it's come to bringing their service into various cities. Now, obviously, Airbnb is a trickier situation in places like San Francisco and New York, where you have a gigantic population density and people tend to own multiple places that they can list on a service like this. However, Uber for as violent as they have been in terms of introducing themselves to markets has actually been very quick to make peace as long as peace falls, you know, short of their terms of negotiation. Right, like that they won't do what Austin's asking them to do. But short of that, sure, they'll put in a way to hail taxi cabs if you have a deal with that union that can't be broken. Sure, they'll do, you know, a handicapped available ride. It's like every time that you go to a different city with Uber, that menu very often is very different. And a lot of those times, it's because of the city that they've made the deal with to operate there. This, to me, is Airbnb growing up a little bit and saying, you want to know what, just hiring lobbyists and putting up snarky posters and staging your protests ultimately is not going to really be how you grow your business. Once you've broken in and people have understood the value that you can give to them, you've got to make peace with the people that run the city, the state, whatever locality you're trying to be there. And this, to me, is a good sign that Airbnb is growing up a little. And I think the key will be what Patrick pointed out. Will they do this in other administrative regions, especially if those regions don't require it? Right now, they're doing it in San Francisco because there's pressure on them to do it. Right now, they're doing it in New York because it's about to be illegal for them not to do it. Will they be more conciliatory in cities that would just like them to do it rather than hitting them over the head as they've been in San Francisco, New York? I mean, New York has laws in the books that says New York City has laws in the books anyway, that says certain buildings can't rent out for less than 30 days at a time. And that's going to hit Airbnb where they live if they need to comply with that. So it remains to be seen. Yeah, you know, just one very quick mention about what you were saying, Jerry, for us in France, at least, it's completely reversed. The image we have of Uber and Airbnb. Airbnb has been the relatively conciliatory one. And Uber has been the one that stomps in with their big boots and doesn't want to talk to anyone and just does what they do. So it's funny. I mean, in the past six months, it's changed quite a bit for Uber. But if you asked anyone in France, they would say Airbnb, yeah, whatever. Uber, not a lot of hotel workers burning overturned hotels in front of Airbnb. Yeah, you know, it's funny, though, because there is just a different, you know, there's obviously different ecosystems and they serve different needs, you know, Airbnb at the end of the day is a. Their value proposition is number one. Hey, do you have empty place that you would like to get money from? Cool, OK, that's going to be sunk like just value that you can generate out of nowhere if you have that place to give. But from somebody wants to stay in a hotel, you know, it's not that much cheaper than an average hotel, especially if you're just moving through town and you don't have a lot of the same amenities and things like that. Yeah, in Paris, it is. In Paris, it is significantly cheaper, but Paris is a very touristy city and the hotels, although there are many, are obviously very expensive. If you if you want to say, I'll say what, we actually stayed in Airbnb all throughout London and Edinburgh, and both of them were cheaper than hotels. We very much enjoyed it. But, you know, Uber is a different thing, you know, it's it's you know, I think to to understand Uber's success, you really need to understand how frustrating taxi cabs and taxi cab unions were in in the very diffuse cities of of America. Well, I think it's telling that why it works in Paris and in France and in Europe as well. That that was basically in many cities, the same situation for. I think it's telling that Airbnb is having these issues in cities that have housing crunches where people are complaining that it's unaffordable to live and then they see someone buying up a house and renting it out on Airbnb rather than making it available at a reasonable rent. And it just causes already flaring temperature, tear tempers to flare up higher. That's that's that's a hundred percent the issue here in San Francisco is is that this is very often the fight is not about the fight. This the fight over Airbnb in many ways is not necessarily about Airbnb. If only we could go back to a more simpler time like the 1940s, Justin. Indeed, Kodak. Remember them? Oh, let me hear it from all the Rochester listeners. Grab a garbage plate. We got a Kodak story for you. Kodak's released a smartphone named after its 1940s era. Ektra camera, the second smartphone from Kodak, has a curved bottom like a camera grip and a leatherette back. The Ektra has a large steel rimmed 2.0 F stop aperture. And a twenty six point five millimeter lens, twenty one megapixel camera capable of 4K video and uses a Sony IMX to 30 image sensor. The five inch phone is made for Kodak by Bullet and runs stock Android 6.0 with Adobe Lightroom, Snap Speed, VSCO, Prisma and Kodak's prints apps are installed. The extra will be available in Europe for four hundred and forty nine pounds. That's four hundred ninety nine euros this December. So not coming to the US, Patrick. Here you go. You get one before us. Yeah, that is so exciting. I can barely contain myself. It's an interesting take to be like we're going to take the nostalgia for Kodak's brand and try to package that in a smartphone with a high quality camera. I think they could do it. They could make their, you know, return their brand to the front of people's eyes by saying we're going to build the best damn cameras in any phone you've ever had. The problem is then they go with the 6.0 Android. And it's, you know, for that price, it's probably not going to be the best. I'm guessing, but it's not going to be the best device ever. And we all know that in phones today. The photos are made by in equal parts by the lens and by the software. So I mean, I don't know, maybe it's going to be awesome. And I applaud the idea. I think there's something there. Here's the problem for Kodak. Unfortunately, as smartphones have ripened, the one thing that everybody, and we're talking about the big boys of the industry, Samsung, Google, Apple have all honed in on is people want cameras. They want the highest quality images that you can possibly get. That was two thirds of Apple's selling point for the for the seven, especially when they have a gigantic refresh coming next, reportedly. Same thing with the Pixel, same thing with the Samsung phones that don't explode, cheap shot. I'm sorry. The point near is Kodak needs to create if Kodak wants to recover their brand, they need something that is creating head and shoulders better images than their competitors, because otherwise, why would you want a OK phone experience on a good or great camera? This has to be a phenomenal camera. And I just don't think it will be. At a London event, Google announced Coldline, a new cold storage archival cloud service for data, not cold storage for meats or anything. Coldline will cost seven tenths a cent per gigabyte, stored per month with retrieval. Remember, this is cold storage, retrieval costing you five cents a gigabyte. Google has committed to keeping latency in line with its other cloud storage offerings, similar online cold storage options from places like Amazon, Amazon Glacier, for instance, can have latency measured in hours. So Google is offering up a faster access to your cold storage. It's also offering a switch and save promotion to enterprise customers, giving you 100 petabytes of free storage for several months as an incentive. So don't burn them to disk. Don't put them on tape. Just store them in the Google Coldline cloud and you'll be able to access them really fast. Is a great business for Google to get into. I mean, they have they have the they have the power for it and they need to do something to deflect attention away from Amazon, which is dominating this kind of stuff. I'm curious, how does it work exactly? Is it tape that they store outside of the reader and then they have little robots that go and retrieve the tapes? No, I don't think that's it, but I do want that service now just because I want to watch the camera of the little robots going to get the archival tape. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I mean, it's one of those things that you would have thought if we were to flash back eight years ago, 10 years ago and think about the kind of businesses that Google with its famed expanse of data storage would get into. It would be more of this stuff. It's why it was such a shock that it took them so long to get into drive that took them so long to get into storage in general. But, you know, it makes sense that this absolutely makes sense. The NBA announced that it will stream one game per week in virtual reality throughout the 30 week season, starting October 27th. The streams will be viewable on the next VR app for the Gear VR platform and available to people who pay for NBA League Pass. The broadcast will have multiple cameras and dedicated announcers, NBA and VR, Tom. It's fantastic. I mean, it's so funny. I read the story and I'm like, you have to want to use VR and you have to have a Gear VR and you have to be a Gear VR user who pays for NBA League Pass. Like this is an experiment. And then they go and they say we put dedicated announcers on this. So it's a high level experiment. Like they're saying we want to make this a service. So we're going to try it out because they can't be expecting high usage right now. I mean, you've got to figure that part of the reason why they're doing this with Samsung as an exclusive partner is because Samsung is subsidizing them to send one crew out to a game per week. That's going to set that up. You know, I'm very curious what a dedicated VR announcer is because I don't know. Like I'd be actually interested in it. I have a Vive so I won't be able to use it because I don't have a Samsung Gear VR. But as a tentative NBA fan, I think I'd be interested in trying it out. But I don't think that at any point I would be saying, oh, man, if only the professional announcers from ESPN or ABC or TNT were out of here, forget you, Marv Albert. I want to hear whoever Samsung has paid to travel to Golden State. Sure. But on the other side, I think this is interesting because what I assumed when I started reading this story for the first time was, OK, so they're going to set up a couple of 360-degree cameras. They'll hire a switcher to go back and forth between them. And then we'll just hear the announcers from ESPN. And maybe it'll make sense. Instead, they're saying, no, what would a virtual reality broadcast look like? They're going to do custom graphics as well. They're saying, let's try to do a native VR broadcast, which means having our own announcers. Now, granted, your point is well-taken. They won't get the top of the line announcers for this. But at least it'll be people who are seeing the same thing that you're able to see and could do things like, folks, look behind you, because that's not something you would say on a normal broadcast. But you can instruct people like, you're going to want to look to the left right there and this replay, stuff like that. Yeah, I mean, my thought is not necessarily that there's a problem with having dedicated announcers. Because I think if this were to become a thing, I would like there to be dedicated announcers in the final form of this. But this, to me, screams, let's just do a mark. I don't know. For whatever reason, it feels to me like this press release is the most exciting part of this entire enterprise. But we'll see. Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit and helps us pick the stories of the day. You can submit stories and vote on them at DailyTechNewsShow.Reddit.com. All right, let's get into the details of the brand new Nintendo Switch. No longer the NX, the Nintendo Switch arrives in March 2017. Console consists of a tablet that sits in a dock. That dock then connects to your TV and it plays like a home console. You've got a controller, you sit on the couch. Everything works as you might expect. Then you can slide the sides off of your handheld controller. Nintendo calls these Joy-Cons and connect those to the tablet, which you can then remove from the dock by the television and take that away and do mobile gameplay of the same game you were playing, I think. I'm pretty sure that's what they're implying here. The Joy-Cons can also be used with the tablet unattached. So they showed a picture in the video they released today of a guy sitting in an airplane, a couple of folks at a table and they're playing some basketball. Games will be distributed on small SD card-like cartridges called Game Cards, kind of similar to what you had for the DS. A custom Nvidia Tegra processor is inside powering the graphics and Nintendo also announced a list of 48 third-party game devs and publishers who say they will develop titles for the Switch. So we don't get a price. We don't get a release date. We don't actually get specs. In fact, ours technicus Kyle Orland did some visual analysis of the photos to find out that it looks like it's a 6.5-inch screen. So this is tinier than your regular 9-inch tablet like an iPad. The controllers seem to be slightly smaller than the NES controllers, but almost the same size if you wanna imagine that. Otherwise, we don't really know anything else about this, but the concept, which is the way Nintendo wants it right now. Patrick, what do you think? There are, you know, we don't know a lot, so we can guess a lot and that's always fun, but we do know a little bit. I can rush to the end immediately and then we can go back and discuss all of the details, but I think the really important part of this console, okay, ultimately it's just a new Nintendo console. We haven't heard anything that is incredible about it. We knew all of the rumors. The thing that did jump at me after a little bit of thought is you can use those two side controllers, which are two halves of a controller, independently to play a two-player game on the console on the tablet that has a kickstand. And I think that is going to be a decisive factor because this is not gonna be primarily aimed at all gamers. It's gonna be just like every portable Nintendo console aimed at teenagers and kids. And when you have one kid who comes to school with their Switch, puts it up on the desk and gives a friend a controller to play together, that is inherently social and shareable. It's a shareable experience that is going to get, to spread like wildfire because I think it's gonna help people want, the people who have one, their friends are gonna want one as well. So that's the one difference, I think, with every other product that's been out there in the gaming space. And then we can discuss everything else, which is a little bit less surprising. Yeah, we don't know if it's got a touchscreen on it. We don't know a lot about it, but we know it's meant for mobile and console. So it kills the Wii U. I don't think any of us are gonna debate on that. What does it do to the DS? So the 3DS is immensely popular right now. I think it's, I can't remember, 50, 60 million consoles installed base. It's, no, maybe that's a little bit too much. It's in the tens of millions for sure. And it's gonna be phased out. The thing is it's ancient technology. The 3D never really mattered, but the capabilities are really, they were old when they put the console out in 2011 or 12. So it's not gonna go away immediately, but I do think that what Nintendo is doing with this is they can't compete against smartphones entirely in the portable space, and they can't really compete against Sony and Microsoft in the home console. So they're taking their two markets, unifying them into one market to make one strong one instead of two weak ones, despite what they're saying officially about the 3DS, which is this is, you know, the Switch is squarely a home console. It has nothing to do with the 3DS. It's not competing with that. That's just not true. It's managing the expectations of the 3DS owners. Can I ask you a question here, Patrick? As you worked in kind of games for a while, and especially in terms of explaining projects and everything as they came along, what is the strategy of announcing something like this now in October for a release in March, which for those of you who do not own a calendar is after Christmas when so many people buy consoles, especially for a youth focused market. Why not hold this off later or why not push it up to release three months earlier? I think ideally any manufacturer would like to release their new device during the holiday period, but in this case it's a case of making sure everything is cooked, everything is ready because they made a grave mistake with the Wii U. They didn't have a, among other issues which are communications-based, nobody knew what the Wii U was when it came out, but it also didn't have enough of a software library. I think they're pushing the release as far as they can to make sure that they have a very furnished, furnished, it's a French word that you use in French to say that, a very well-populated software library, but at the same time they need to make sure that the enthusiasm for that console is drummed up and that people know it's coming out. Usually these consoles are announced way before, you know, maybe a year in advance, at the very least, you know, eight, nine, eight months. So here it's already kind of late and I think they wanted to make sure that people knew it was coming and it's easy for us to know that this is gonna be coming because we're in the tech and gaming world, but they need the parents and the kids to understand that this is coming in March and that takes time, you know, it's gonna take three months for everyone to go through the motions of the PR cycle, first a small announcement, then demonstrations, then you get to the more wide stream outlets, et cetera, et cetera. It takes time. I mean, that is an awkward window though, right? Because you would, you know, March is effectively their message to parents around the world are just, you know, tell your kid that they'll be getting this thing in three months and not on Christmas Day, right? Like that seems awkward. It definitely is. And again, it's not ideal, but I think they chose the lesser of two evils, which was give themselves time to make sure it's a good release and not a quick release because they couldn't handle, if they released it, you know, even four months early because, you know, for Christmas, you can't release it on December 15th, right? It would need to be November at the latest. And so even giving yourself five extra months to get the quality software you need, it's extremely important. And in this case, especially when the console first comes out, it's gonna, Nintendo doesn't really need to make a lot of, you know, Nintendo can sell consoles no matter what initially. So I think they're gonna live on their brand anyway, so they don't need, it would be better to get it available for Christmas, but it wouldn't kill them. It won't kill them as it would another brand to not have it at Christmas. So they can afford it. Nintendo does this a lot, where they just, they've put things out in the spring before that are surprising. And I think what they realize is we're Nintendo, we do things on our own schedule. We have a lot of fans who will buy it, no matter when we put it out. And all we have to do is have a Mario or Zelda game out at the holidays, and a bunch of people will run to buy not only that game, but the console that it plays on if they don't have it already. I think in this case, they're gonna need a Mario and a Zelda game available not at the holiday season in 2017. They're gonna need to be available when the game, when the thing launches. They can't afford to mess up this one because it's kind of the last one. And as much as I love Nintendo, the Nvidia Tegra chip that they have in this thing is, you know, it's an Nvidia Tegra, which means mobile class device. It's great. It's apparently a 720p resolution, which is great for the portable version. But when you plug it into the TV, 720p is good. But it's coming out now when 4K is sort of becoming popular. That's always the Nintendo knock, right? The Wii was underpowered, the Wii U was underpowered, and let's just leave the Wii U out of it. The Wii was underpowered and people still called it a success. Well, the Wii is kind of an anomaly in Nintendo's history. It is a very strange, you know, success that gamers wouldn't really call the success gaming wise, I think, in many ways. But in this case, they do need to convince gamers and yes, in this day and age, as long as you're HD, you can woo people with style rather than polygon count. And that works to an extent. But when you're talking about the mobile class GPU on a giant TV screen, it does hurt your prospects a little bit, potentially. The key with the Wii was, you know what? It's not the greatest resolution, but we have this crazy motion control which everybody's gonna love. What they seem to be banking on here is, well, we've got this tablet experience that people are gonna love. They're gonna love that flexibility. And Justin, I'm curious, what do you think of this idea of a game console that you can take with you and how well do we actually expect that to work in practice? You know, I mean, Patrick would probably be better to talk about the possibility of what it can be personally, I don't have a whole lot of need or at least I don't think I need necessarily when I'm playing my game of Hearthstone to have it thrown up on my television seamlessly. Now maybe if I had that option, I would like it to do it and maybe there will be other solutions that bring me closer to that. Ultimately though, I think this is a mobile, this is a mobile system with high powered for mobile games that are exclusive to it. And if those are great, which in their, they're very, very well done commercial that they debuted today, they made a point to show off as my colleague, Mr. Beja said, a well furnished lineup of games and titles that ranged from the staples of Nintendo like Mario Kart and Zelda to third party stuff like Skyrim and NBA basketball. I don't know, I started off thinking this is going to be absolutely ridiculous. And then as I watched the commercial more and more, I thought, ah, you wanna know what? Maybe, maybe this makes a little bit of sense but here's my question to Patrick. What is an amazing price for the Nintendo Switch? What is a fair price for the Nintendo Switch and what is a way too expensive price for the Nintendo Switch? Amazing, $199, that's incredible. Fair, $249, I think they could potentially push it to $299 but that would be a little bit too expensive, I think. Above $299, it's dead on arrival. That I don't believe they can make it. The thing is, ultimately it's gonna live on its games and the questions you're asking yourself, Justin, am I interested? I think there is a market for it for sure. Yeah, there is one and it's because they have Nintendo games on it and lots of gamers want it but do they want it enough to pay more than $299? I don't think so. Well, the Nvidia Shield, which everyone's comparing this to. And even I, when I looked at it, was like, oh, it's an Nvidia Shield with a better dock, I guess, is $199. So in people's minds, they're going to be comparing it to that price so I think you absolutely nailed it, Patrick. At $299, you can say, well, I guess I'm paying a Nintendo tax because this is an updated version of the Shield, it's got more storage or it's got a better Tegra processor inside but much farther beyond that, I don't think anybody would tolerate it. I think $199 almost has to be the price because of that comparison. Well, I think ultimately it's going to be $249, hopefully. Yeah, you're just splitting the difference to make yourself safe in your prediction. Well, no, because it's still, $199 would be a killer, killer price. That would be insane, I don't think. And I think as mobile as the device seems and it definitely seems very mobile to everyone, the reason why they're insisting that this is a squarely home console is that the price is not going to be the one we expect for a mobile device. I think it's going to be unfortunately $299, which I think is a little bit too expensive. I actually like what Lynn is saying in the chat room, $199 solo, then like bundled with a controller, maybe it's more expensive, then you have a $249 to $299, et cetera. Because there is that separate controller they have that they're calling the Nintendo Switch Pro, which is your traditional controller that doesn't have the slide-off bits. It won't be included for sure. I think whatever the price is. It'll be a more expensive bundle and sold separately, if that's my guess. Yeah, here's the only question and back to Patrick's original point about its shareability, that you're able to put up the little kickstand and play with your friends. They make a big point in that commercial to show a bunch of hip happening bros after throwing down some B-ball that they're going to play their NBA 2K game. Number one, how does that network? Because they make a point to show it, not connecting with wires. And number two, how fun or comfortable is it to play with two hands on those controllers? Because they look, even in that commercial, kind of awfully small. Yeah, but those guys have huge hands. A little, it's like a bunch of human hands are fondling these KitKat break-off pieces. Well, again, I think it's aimed at teenagers and kids ultimately more. And this is the kind of thing, they want a tablet. A tablet is $500, $600, maybe a little bit less, but this is $250, maybe you can give it to them more easily. And, but actually the problem of size, and we all know size doesn't matter, but sometimes it does, here is not necessarily going to be for the controllers. I think the UI is going to be the big problem because it's a much more difficult problem to get your game to work on a big screen and then on a small screen. It has to be a different kind of UI and even a different perspective. When you look at the NBA 2K thing, when they're putting it on the floor and sitting two feet away, you can't really see all that well. When you're a foot away, it's okay. Two feet away, it becomes very small. So I wonder how they're going to tackle that issue as well. And all of this is going to be key also. Yeah, I was just looking at a link that Lynn put in the chat room to a PC advisor story that said Tesco in the UK accidentally published a page before the switch was announced that said the Nintendo NX would sell for 349 pounds. Granted, that's probably not even an official price. That's just a placeholder. And somebody put a guess in there, but it does sort of push me towards thinking this thing might be a little more expensive. You know, sometimes they do this, and I'm not saying that's the case here. Sometimes they do this intentionally to lessen the shock of the price when they actually announced it. 349 pounds though, that would be 400 euros probably. Yeah, I mean, the pounds worth like 20 cents now, Justin. 20 pence above the dollar. Yeah, so almost parody. Well, I think the last thing I want to hit before we get off this topic is I love that Nintendo just announces stuff, gives us a video, they don't make us sit through a dog and pony show for an hour and a half. And I seriously appreciate that. I do think it's interesting that they're doling out the pieces little by little though, so that we're all hungry to hear the next announcement and they'll get a whole other news cycle when they announce that price and release date for sure. You know, what we really want are the games. We want to see the actual games. I think that's that to me is from what they said in that commercial compared to what Nintendo has done in the past. The big difference was, we're going to have a steady drumbeat from now until March about all the rad games that are coming out and they are either going to be available at launch or within, you know, six months of launch, like something that's like very, very, very, very close. All right, let's get a message of the day from Matt the proud patron in Vegas, writing regarding Echo's bicycle, said, I wanted to say sign me up for an Android bicycle. I'm certainly an Android fanboy and also quite in need of a power assisted bicycle. I have a partially severed spinal column from a few years ago and fortunately have maintained some use of my legs but a motorized bicycle is something I've been looking into in order to exercise and keep movement throughout my legs. If I can use a good app for tracking that exercise and movement, it could be extremely useful for someone like me who could perhaps use that data to plot daily pain levels or medication intake. This could be a huge win because the bicycle would be all tied into that. Thank you Matt for that insight and thank you Patrick Beja for dropping in on an off day and sharing the Nintendo insight, super valuable and where can people find more of those sorts of insights on video games and things? You can go listen to Pixels which is a gaming show I do twice a month. It basically summarizes all of the important news from the world of gaming and makes it fun to listen to, hopefully. The last episode we reviewed the PlayStation VR to excruciating details, well, half an hour or so just on the PSVR. So you can find that at Frenchspin.com. And Mr. Justin Robert Young, what do you got going on these days? Well, I'll tell you, I don't know if you guys have heard of this but apparently there is a election going on here in the United States. Now don't worry what I'm not gonna go into, you can listen to politics, politics, politics, my political show if you wanna hear more analysis of what happened. But the contender, the game of presidential debate which we have available at thecontender.us, we have put in our order officially for our Vegas expansion. So all the best quotes from last night can be a part of your game if you go to bit.ly slash Vegas debate. Well, I mean, what are some of the quotes gonna be? I'll tell you what, you don't have to be a nasty woman or a bad ombre to say that I'll leave you in suspense. Check that out folks. It's only gonna make the contender an even more fun game to play. By the way, in all seriousness, as soon as we put in the order and we have how many we have left, these have gone extraordinarily fast. So if you want one, like this is like obviously I'm selling this, but just so you know if you're a fan of the game, get it now, don't wait a couple of days because they are often gone in a couple of days. Hey, we thank everybody who makes the show possible, whether it's by telling folks on Twitter, good handful of you posted about the show yesterday after I asked you two, you guys are the best. Thanks to everybody who supports us through PayPal, through our store by in T-shirts and mugs, or through Patreon, patreon.com slash DTNS. 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But that's another, you know, that's the other big question. I mean, there are a few we didn't get to, but that's a big question because if you have a browser, then I mean, the 3DS has a browser, so I do think it will. But then you sort of turn it into a little bit of a tablet. How tablet-y is it gonna be? Are you gonna have apps? You're obviously gonna have a store. You're gonna have a YouTube app. I can't imagine a thing that kids can use and parents can buy for kids without a YouTube app so they can watch their songs and shows. But how far do they go? Is it a huge question? I have no idea. You know what else is a huge question? What the title is? Tidehulls. Tidehulls. I actually don't, I think the resolution for the switch will be much higher. I don't think it'll be 720. Well, that's what the chip is, right? No, I haven't found anything on the specific. I've heard 720 somewhere, but maybe it can go to 1080. The problem is more gonna be the 3D, you know, the polygon count and that kind of thing. Well, I mean, it's probably the what? The teraflops, how many flops? The NX was this bait and switch. How's that for bait and switch? Technically, a laptop, awesome's razor, merely European, I think they spelled merely wrong, right? A switch in the system. Gamers don't have a switch to scratch. Nintendo switched its name. Nintendo knows switches, which switch, Nintendo knows which way it's heading. It's a bit of a tongue twister. Size doesn't matter, but sometimes it does. I voted for that hand. Which one? Size doesn't matter, but sometimes it does. Oh, jeez. I'm voting for myself. Don't switch to Nintendo. Oh, joy hyphen con. One switch fits all. And there's still a lot of questions. I like awesome's razor. I think it's not a Nintendo. Switchway is up. Switchway is up. Ah! What do you guys like? There's the Joy-Con though. There has to be silly puns with the Joy-Cons. I didn't mention enough how silly I think that name is. Oh yeah. Almost as silly as we. Should we do switchways up? Anybody care? Sure. Awesome's razor is good too, but switchways up works as well. It gets Nintendo in the name. So all I know is it's a Tegra, but it could be the Tegra X2. I think it's gonna be a custom Tegra. It is a custom. Yeah, that was actually said by NVIDIA, but that's all they've said about it. It's gonna be powerful for sure. It's just... Yeah, I don't think the visual... I mean, I'm not as... Maybe not today, but on a big screen in three years. You know, I watch YouTube videos that are kind of crappy because it's just great, funny content on a giant screen. Oh, I know. I mean, the 3DS is doing wonders, even though the graphical capabilities... I mean, really, if you're worried that much about... They could effectively basically ditch certain aspects of the graphics, like what it chooses to render to basically increase the actual resolution, right? They could ditch... Of course. So, I mean, there's a number of ways to do it, but I don't actually see it being the Achilles heel. I think the biggest one is just getting enough software developers on board to kind of crank out games that people actually want to play. Yeah, and we didn't mention this, but they have a lot of third-party developers on board at the moment. They made a point of that as well. Oh, I guess you did. I mentioned it in the setup, but yeah, we didn't talk about it a lot. Well, the other thing is, compared to the Wii U, it's a crazy number of developers. But then, if compared to the Wii or the GameCube, it's not that many more. It's all a question of what games do they actually develop and bring to the platform? And Nintendo, by showing things like Skyrim in that video is trying to imply, no, they're gonna bring their A-game stuff. Well, Skyrim is a game from 2011, so... I mean, the other thing is the Wii had a lot of shovelware. They were publishers, but they were cranking out games that weren't necessarily of even decent quality, like something you would give to someone for Christmas. Have you seen the graphs of the number of consoles sold by Nintendo over the course of their life for the home consoles? I saw one from five years ago. Because it is striking. Basically, it's a downward slope, extremely rough with one spike for the Wii. Every other new console sold less than the previous one. And significantly, it's very, very stark. So I really don't think we should take the Wii as an example of something that is representative of what Nintendo does on the home. Are you saying it's the exception that proves the rule? I'm saying it's an exception. It's an anomaly. It's an anomaly, let's call it an anomaly. Anomaly, is that a French word? Isn't that a French movie? They could also have another GPU, for example, in the dock that could improve the graphics. That's what, yes, I saw that there was some speculation that that's gonna bump things up for the TV. Could be interesting. Maybe. That seems like an awfully expensive way to create a stand that doesn't do anything. I mean, I don't know. I think that would be a pretty risky product move to basically create a dock that is, I'm still trying to figure out how that would even work. Yeah, it's complicated because then you have to have the games that are programmed twice, kind of. But then, you know, PCs, you take advantage of whatever power you have. And all of the consoles are PCs now, but this is not a PC architecture. So. Well, at the same time, you're also not pulling a video card out over your PC when you travel, and then sticking it back in and picking up the game where you left off. It's more like what the surface does with the pro. You can change the settings. Well, no, I'm talking more about. You have the PS4 pro and the PS4 and the scorepio and the. Well, that I'm sure, but I'm just saying, as they're not modular systems, right? The Scorpio and whatever the PS4 Neo, whatever the heck they called it, pro. They're not modular units. You're not taking a bit of it off and then it reattaching it in order to get that extra graphic capability. It's like Microsoft's continuum or the Android stuff that does that. Or you can. I think they can figure it out too. Yeah. It's just a very inefficient way to do it though. I mean, just from an architecture standpoint, I mean, you got to then build, you got to build a bridge and then a link. And it's just, I'm just thinking it's just, I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm not saying it's not possible. I just saying like to go that route is like a huge, huge expansion. If it allows you to get better graphics on the TV, decent graphics on the TV, it might, I mean, we don't know. Maybe they're absolutely not considering it. But at the very least, I'm certain they're going to make the GPU run faster when it's docked. I'm sure. That could very well be. It could actually run at a higher resolution when it's docked because it's the power. But it would need it for a smaller screen. Yeah. I have the power. So many questions. I can't find the installed base for the 3DS. Oh, 60 million. I was right. Damn it. 60 million what? Oh, installs. 3DS, yeah. 3DS available. I mean, install base worldwide. That seemed too big. I do want to play Breath of the Wild on this. Everyone does. Yes, I know. I mean, yeah, they have Breath of the Wild and the difference with the release of the Wii when between the GameCube and the Wii is that very, very few people have a Wii U. So basically it's like they're only releasing it on NX. So it is a launch title for that. And everyone's very excited. There is a new Mario game that was shown for half a second during the video. So there's that. Yeah, there's a Mario Kart. There's a lot of questions about the Wii U backwards compatibility. It seems like it makes sense. Not sure how, but if you have to buy the games again, I'm going to be ticked off, but I'll do it. And I would say to per phrase for radio, no one really does that anymore. Like they did it, but I'm not saying it. Again, I'm not saying that it's not possible. I didn't see what per face for radio. Oh, I'm sorry. He, she said the doc duo was a power book. A line had a faster processor, math co-processor from what I can recall that was built into the doc. So when you attached the laptop, the power book into it, it would basically increase some of the capabilities. But I mean, it's not saying that it can't be done and they've done it with a bunch of other things, but people, engineers generally haven't done it because it's just, it's a very cost intensive thing for a moderate benefit. Like you're spending a lot of money for incremental improvement and experience. You know what I mean? It's not like you're putting on, you know, VR goggles and suddenly you're in the world of Mario 3D. Ooh, the world of Mario 3D. Hey, Nintendo should just open a theme park and then. Well, isn't that the thing, what's the latest on that? What? The Nintendo theme park. That's been kicking around for a while. You get excited when you get to the door and slowly as you go through the experience, you get more and more disappointed. They're doing a plan with Universal. Yeah, no, the rumor was right that that's gonna be where they put, where they currently have Marvel, the Marvel area would be the Nintendo area. So they're hoping to open it in Osaka by 2020. And time for the Olympics. Nice. How was that? I need to take a Nozomi down there, it's pretty quick. Those funky nose trains. Those things are awesome. I love them, they're great. Sonya wants to go back to Japan. I wanna go back to Japan. Hey, everyone, it's a great place. It's like one of those places that like, I actually had fun. Like generally when they get dragged around, it's like you just feel like you're dragged around, but it's fun there. All right, I'm going to go and try to get some sleep. Yes, thank you again. Go ahead and get some sleep. I sure will. If I don't start dreaming of bad home braids and how... Nasty women. Nasty women. I thought he was talking about that weight, that color stripe that you get at a hairstylist, ombre, like that was, that's what I originally heard. There's some bad ombres here, dude. There's some real bad ombres. Here, all right, so here are all the quotes we got for the expansion. Hi, Patrick. Hi, Patrick. Hi, everyone. We got some bad ombres here. I'll keep you in suspense. I'm very proud to have the endorsement of the NRA, which I think is just a great non sequitur to play if you ever played the game. That was a great pivot. Such a nasty woman. Excuse me, my turn. You're the puppet. I understand the tradition of blank, which it was Hillary Clinton's line, I understand and respect the tradition of gun ownership. That is horrifying. Let me translate that if I can. I was just quoting you. I mean, who does that? And dozens of toddlers injured themselves with a blank. Was this from the debate or just a couple of six-year-olds that were playing around in your house? This is all from the debate to see who gets to run the country, baby. Also two different topics in this expansion. Chinese steel. Chinese steel. And $6 billion, which was what Trump accused Hillary of losing during her tenure at the State Department. $6 billion. What was her snappy comeback? I mean, she had a really good zinger. It's like, wait, $6 billion? Wait, you should know about that. It's like, you just need to open, what, three casinos or something? Or was that from, no, that was Stephen Colbert. Sorry. Because I saw that this morning. He had a really funny line. Yeah, those are different people. One of them- I know, I know, I know, I know. Listen, I'm still a little loopy. You gotta give Roger a break. He just finished the paperwork for his house. So, yeah. Oh, speaking of paperwork, do you mind if I bug you, Justin? Sure, yeah. That's a paperwork. No, just to basically figure out, are there any scheduling things I should be wearing for November, December with you? Let me just take one little look. I don't think so, because I take it forever to export. Sorry about that. It's because those trade barriers. Must be, must be. Must be that bad NAFTA deal, keeping my audacity filed from exporting. But I'm gonna end the broadcast, because I don't, you guys tell me if you want us to talk scheduling in front of you on this stream. I assume that's probably not the most entertaining thing in the world. Maybe I'm wrong. You tell me, we'll decide tomorrow. Maybe we'll talk scheduling tomorrow with Darren and Lynn. Scheduling with Darren and Lynn. Sounds like a new show.