 Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the PCP Krogh Prastodators podcast. Oh, I fucked everything up. I don't know. I'm the best guy ever, though, and thanks for joining us. Here we've got Tom Oliver over here. Yeah, I'm here with my robot body. Hmm, indeed. The DeVoo is here. Still just barely able to juggle the scheduling and monetary conflicts caused by having to do PCP responsibilities while hashtag saving the hamsters. They'll have robot hamster bodies soon anyway. We've got Hippocrite is here. I identify as being a robot skeleton. Good. And of course Digi Bro. All I want is the Android dong. Android dong, Android dong, Android dong, okay never mind. So everybody, we're talking about, oh, I got to introduce the show. So this is the Procrastinators podcast, everybody. It's a podcast of a bunch of internet creators. We do YouTube stuff. Some of us do comics, et cetera, et cetera. And here we are talking about various topics in this show here on the Procrastinators channel. And today we're talking about transhumanism. Today we're talking about transhumanism. And if you don't know what that is, luckily our boys over at Urban Dictionary have you covered. Let's give it a read. Okay, that's a long one. I'm going to do this shorter, secondary one. Hopefully this will be good. A post-modern theory that posits on the perceived benefit to mankind of having a Cuisinart installed in your rectum. Oh, I don't even know what a Cuisinart, okay, that one's stuck. No, I completely agree with that one. Okay, here's one of the little more detail. This is the top definition. A movement supporting the use of reason science technology to advance and enhance human abilities and existence under optimal conditions can be seen as an extension of humanism. But with much more emphasis on the future, transhumanists believe that we should try to overcome our biological limitations through the use of such things as nanotechnology, cryonics, AI, mind uploading, space time engineering, Jesus Christ, eugenics. What the fuck? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay. And what not in order to become post-human. I don't understand what that last part. I think that was a fuck-out. The only thing I like about that list was the eugenics. Oh, by the way, I just want to give a shout out to our heroes at Urban Dictionary, to which the PCP owes the entirety of its success. I just wanted to shout them out as their October 6th word of the day was boy-splaining. Boy-splaining. It's mansplaining, but immature. Isn't that what's already mansplaining is supposed to be? That means that mansplaining is mature. That means mansplaining is the mature thing to do. You're fucked up, Urban Dictionary. Wait, isn't boy-splaining literally the entirety of the Procrastinator's podcast? Yeah. I agree. That's a good point. So very relevant. So when trans-humanism was brought up as a topic, I was shocked that we haven't already done this, because I don't know about Hippo, but I know me and Nate and Tom and probably Davoo are all very big trans-humans. Yes, very trans. We all self-identify as trans-humans, for sure. You know, we're not trans-humans, but we're sympathetic to the cause. I don't think any of us are augmented yet. To some extent, I've heard people argue that human beings as they exist now are semi-trans-humans because we have our phones and stuff. The thing I was going to say is I think we've already interrupted evolution, like the evolutionary process of human time. No doubt. No doubt. We're already off the beaten path, so we might as well go full stop at this point. And I mean, when trans-humanism gets brought up, I feel like everybody imagines it as robot parts attached to your body, but a lot of it's chemical, and we're all doing that shit. There is nobody who is not ingesting some form of chemical that is performance altering in some way as to how if you've got yourself caffeine. of food. Did you try to establish smoking weed, his new hobby, as a trans-humanist act? If you've got yourself a fly-ass, bomb-ass, dope-ass hoe who you're nuttin' in regularly and she's taken that pill, that is her being a trans-humanist. That is her deviating from her biological intentions. So every time you nut in your lady, just say, bitch, you're a robot now. That's what I do. That's the fact how I nut. I feel like I have to mention that, yeah, I'm not really that into the future, the sci-fi. I'm more into the past things, like, aesthetically, but if trans-humanism doesn't mean robot parts and it means all this other stuff, then I don't know. Because I didn't know that. I always assumed it was like looking way into the future to see all the cool stuff that was like, you know, flying cars attached to your back. Yeah, man, like, I know you're more into... I don't know. Well, you can be the surrogate for the audience, we can dump our knowledge onto you. I think the reason I wanted to specify that it's not far future is because it's more interesting to think about the stuff that we can do soon, you know, like the ways that we're already making progress and a lot of the trans-human stuff I'm most excited about is not just robot parts, but like, I don't want to have to sleep anymore. When are we getting my anti-sleep pill, you know? Or when are we getting, Nate, I was glad you brought up birth control because I was thinking about this, I've been thinking about this all fucking day about what I'm going to bring into this podcast, that I think trans-humanism could easily be mistaken as like a guy thing, because we all, you know, there's stereotype guys love technology and we want to fucking have a robe, Android dong, you know? But I was thinking about how there's already pills that can, for instance, make it so you don't have your period anymore and like fix PMS stuff. I feel like women would jump right the fuck on that. Like, in fact, it's far more common for like, like the whole idea of female birth control is like deeply rooted now in at least Western culture. But male birth control is like, like some movements actually oppose the very idea of it, which I think is sort of a play to like keep the sexual power in the hands of women, but we can get into my red pilling another time. Yes, so hippo, like, I know you're more into the past, like pirates and shit, but in the future, we could potentially have pirates, but then also without polio ruining everyone's fun. So I'm just saying for everyone, I know, I, I mean, I agree. I agree that some things are bad about the way humans are and the things that we have to deal with. But I like wood more than I like metal. That's just really what it comes down to. I like a pirate ship being made of wood. I don't want to see pirates with guns get out. That's why Apple wood texture skin work. It's always had guns. No, no, I mean, like, like, like modern day pirates are like, oh, the, you know, and like Somali pirates or Somali pirates. Yeah, they go on. They go on dingy's filled with air and on ships made of metal with guns. Get out of here. You know, so I don't respect you because of that. If you had wooden boats, maybe on the on the topic of just transhuman in general. OK, so so yeah, I like I'm a gigantic fan of this. Like Ghost in the Shell is one of my favorite things of all time. And I want to talk at least at some length. And I'm so it's so cool to me that you brought up like male versus women just because Motoko is just such a role model to me. And it just represents all these great things about like Motoko is like a technological wizard who is like ahead of the curve. Everyone behind her is like a regressive piece of shit. But Motoko is always thinking about how to like adapt to the situation she's in. And that that is inherited to a character as like the best cyborg user or like one of the best out there. But what I wanted to say about this was there are so many people when you bring up this topic, like are struck with such a deep level of fear instantaneously. And I feel this is one of our like this is one of our like biological carryovers from when we were beasts of the field. It's one of our it's just like this this instinct to be afraid of of of change, really, and of the unknown. Because like whenever I think about this stuff in general, I think about like, OK, we're going to we're going to do extensive testing and try to like, OK, if we want to invent like a microchip that lets us talk to each other, you know, not psychically, but through the technology implant in our heads, which people are working on actively right now. If you bring up that idea, people are immediately like, Oh, no, I don't want something in my head. Like, oh, imagine all the things that could go wrong. And like, that's entirely true, which is why we will before, like, making that technology available to extensive testing and try to avoid the very things that people are afraid of. Well, here's what I think. I think the problem is that we're all influenced by popular culture and technology is the current boogeyman that we all like to think is going to go bad. Like that's been the boogeyman for the last like 20, 30 years. Yeah, you know, even dumb. You go that and it's like, oh, Terminator 2, Skynet, all that's just going to happen. And I just think back to like before that, you know, like, like electricity was the boogeyman. It's like, oh, you got shocked by electricity and turned into a monster because we don't understand how this works. So like electricity, no thing like that's going to be so much art and like fiction has a hard time, like grappling with the fear, but still great potential of future technology. You know, so much sci-fi stuff, even if part of the appeal of, say, a sci-fi movie is about like showing off this cool technology, the script just cannot help but constantly preoccupy itself with all the fucking things that can go wrong and scarcely showing you why people adopted technology in the first place. And again, Ghost Nichelle standalone complex, the series specifically does a great job. Just really, it's not, it is even handed. It talks about cyber brain sclerosis, which is like a disease that no one could figure out caused by a cyber brain, you're fucked, right? But it's still. But again, the real villain just in that situation is the fact that the corporation invented a cure for it, but didn't want to implement it because it would impact their bottom line too much. Again, just setting up a situation where technology isn't what's evil, it's the greed of men that's the real evil here. So like, that's exactly what I want to see in a story like that, you know? Right, and like, I'm actually watching an episode right now, like earlier today. I also heard an explanation that was like, well, they couldn't figure out why the cure worked, so it wasn't approved for that reason. I don't, anyway, like I even recently watched the Ghost Nichelle movie, you know, the 1995 one, and even that portrays the whole cyberization thing with a little bit more tension and like fear, because there's like a scene where Matoko and Bato are sitting on a boat, just like reflecting on how like, they sure, they feel really ambivalent, really mixed about their robot body. So they're like, oh man, we're like so strong in everything, but like, we can't swim in water without sinking, and I'm like, dude, what the fuck? Like, I guess it might feel uncomfortable, you might constantly feel weird about yourself, but Matoko in the series just seems to have not really any serious issue, you know? She has trauma over the accident that required the robot body, but in general it's like, dude, this is fucking awesome, and like that's the attitude I have for technology. It's like, oh, the internet, oh yeah, you know, early on it caused lots of creepy killers to run around, I mean, that's still a thing, it has all those sorts of weird consequences of anonymity, fake news and all that shit, but you look at what came before, all news was fake news before the internet, because you had no way of knowing what the fuck was going on in the world. They don't know Obama, so that's why the internet's ultimately the most like an incredible improvement for society in the same way as cyberization. Yeah, it'll have problems, and people who do not fucking respect the difference in quality of life from before that invention came around will continuously naysay it, the same way that like so much like fantasy fiction looks back on like the 1600s and like, oh, no giant corporations, no fucking worrying about bills, yeah, and fucking every plague that could kill you any single week with no soap to help you. No one makes fantasy stories with that shit. I think these things kind of go in cycles as they kind of like permeate popular culture. I think at first it's like awe and wonder and mystique, then it goes to fear, and then it just becomes acceptance. And like a great example of this I think is Star Trek, because I think the original series of Star Trek was like, wow, technology's so crazy, it's amazing, and imagine all these things we could do with it, we could travel the stars and get to solve all the problems, we can heal people instantly, and but by next generation it's like, oh, now we have the Borg, and like how technology can be used evil-ly, and then like Deep Space Nine had a lot of undertones of like technology being bad too. And I think now it's just kind of like, technology is just like a backdrop, like you look at the Star Trek films and stuff, and there's no statement on it at all, it's just there, and it's a part of it, and like they use it for plot devices and stuff. It's interesting, it's interesting the emphasis that gets played on stories like that, because like yeah, like in J.J. Abrams' Star Trek, like there's basically no philosophical discussions beyond like the big like, why is the big bad guy doing this? Oh no, we blew up his planet, he's getting vengeance. Like something like that, which is just you know, bog standard like action story shit. Whereas like Ghost in the Shell, so like the 1995 movie that's the most famous is, I don't know if I wanna say this. Okay, it is sort of in tone at least, my least favorite interpretation of like the Ghost in the Shell series, entirely because it has by far, the most negative tone on like the technology in general. It is a very dour like emphasis, whereas what I love about every single other iteration, including Arise to some extent, is that those ones like Star Trek, like actually the J.J. Abrams' Star Trek, they sort of just fully embrace the change and they show okay, this is just a world where like cyborgs live among us and it's just normal. There's nothing weird about this and that is honestly, that is fucking progressive. That is super progressive in a way that I absolutely love. That it's just like yeah, like okay, so I don't like, I don't know, I hate all Muslims, I hate all black people, I hate Jews, whatever, but I accept people who have fucking like gigantic, like, but, that's not of me, that's me quoting a fictional character. What I'm saying, so if you hate like races, but you like someone with a robotic fucking body or like full of cybernetic augmentations, on the progressive scale, that's you being like way, way more accepting of someone different from you. So I don't know where I'm going with that, but yeah, I hate minorities, that's what I'm trying to say. I guess the slogan you're going for is get nanomachines become a Nazi, net progressive. I wanna say about the presentation of technology is scary, I think a lot of it just comes from like needing drama in a story of like, if we're gonna make a story about sci-fi and the whole point is the technology, then the question becomes, well, how do we create tension? Well, what could go wrong with the technology? And it's kind of unfortunate, and I also think that people focus so much on the downsides of something, like for instance, the self-driving cars, which are now a thing that's just out there. There's people just on the road with self-driving cars. And of course, the second there was a fatality in one of them, because of the car's failure, it was like a huge uproar. And it's like, on the one hand, yes, it is still scary that they are not perfect, however, you will probably die in an auto accident driving your own car anyways. Like- You're talking like near 100% chance of everyone in the book. Did you know that the odds of you getting into an auto accident is that you will get in one once every 15 years? That is how, it's not you have a one in whatever chance, it's you will be involved in an auto accident at least once every 15 years, no matter how seriously. So when you have one accident with self-driving cars, it's like, what are we pitching about again? It's once it's become so normalized. That's the whole thing of people being afraid. People are afraid whenever they put their power in the hands of something else, even if it is statistically more reliable. Same reason why planes are scary. Maybe there's a, yeah, it kind of adds to a degree of people's imaginations can run wild when they don't actually understand what's happening. So there's all this room to conspiratize about like, oh, let's say like an Asian guy gets in an accident. Oh my God, the self-driving car companies are trying to wipe out Asian-Americans and purify the white race in our nation. Holy shit. You said conspiratize, is that like some sort of porno about who did 9-11? That, like. Yeah, it's Alex Jones ex Milo Yiannopoulos. This is good shit. Yeah. I don't, yeah, people, that's just an instinct. There's a major instinct that people have to be scared of this stuff. And honestly, I am too. I definitely, I think it's just a human thing. And I would really like to transhumanize that away. I would love to cut that part out. I was about to say the solution would be just to somehow augment our brains to get rid of this primitive limitation that no longer applies. Man, if only there was some topic we could talk about. It was all about that. What would you think about like that being implemented as like, oh, a special gas that makes everyone like technology and never question it? And that you just send that gas out and then people are like initially like, oh no, I'm being gas and then they're like, wait, this was a good idea. That is a very interesting question. And there is a Futurama issue that deals with that, Futurama episode. Remember that episode where they get a new robot in the office and Bender like hates it so he gets a compatibility upgrade? And what that manifests as is one of the most interesting episodes, it manifests as Bender like goes to the place to get the upgrade. He then seemingly chickens out and runs away, runs to an island where he like rejects technology, becomes like a wood robot instead of fucking a metal. Eventually like he comes back to land to lead an uprising and in the uprising like he gets hurt and is going to die except he's saved by the new robot and is like, I love the new robot now only to then wake up for the dream that this all was in the upgrade center and it was revealed that yeah, this is what the upgrade was for him, which incidentally is how I think about the way that I became compatible with making fast YouTube content. I went through this whole rigmarole just to end up at the very beginning where I was like, yeah, make daily content, make fast content, that's what you gotta do. I guess that's the same thing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, it wasn't an illusion, it was just real life. That's the difference. It doesn't matter. The point is like that is a very interesting thing. And if we could put it in those terms, if we could do things like that, I like it. I think it's cool. I have a handful of different. I think it's something you could explore. Because as you talked about the whole need for drama, but it's also need for drama plus lazy creativity, not being creative enough and coming up with something that can go wrong without undercutting the entire value of having that innovation in the first place, right? So like, for example, something with like, like say post scarcity society where we can simulate anything at any point forever. I had the idea of like a, we like basically all of humanity gets together to make some computers that will make more computers. It'll keep making more computers until they make one that is absolutely intelligent, morally flawless, and will never betray humanity, right? So they make one and then they start expanding and colonizing the galaxy or whatever. So it's like tens of thousands of years go by. And most humans don't even know about this because this post scarcity society is terrifying to most people. So like you can learn about it if you find out about it and then like if you end up really depressed about that, they'll just erase your memories and put you back in some other simulation, right? So people are put into countless simulations where scarcity is artificialized, but everyone ultimately is happy. Everyone's given a life where they are given the illusion that they could fail and end up succeeding, right? Maybe even with lots of stimulated humans, like fake humans who are all like dying Africans to make you value your own self, right? And so then the story is that this AI that's like colonizing a pretty decent chunk of the Milky Way at this point finds some other, some other fucking force that's like incredibly powerful with some other life form that's beyond anything that we can conceive. And so the robot needs to figure out like how to beat it and starts running specific test-driven tests on humans to figure out like their behavior and learn things from them. And maybe there's like one main human character in the story who talks to the AI directly. You're literally pitching a full sci-fi novel right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so basically the robot has, cause like maybe the robot can't 100% simulate everything that the human soul is able to come up with. And there's just things about this abstract entity out in space that he can't understand. So he has to like investigate the human animal and like try to, oh, he spends thousands of years, hundreds of generations evolving certain people to find an outlier who can represent the same weird trait that this galactic force has. And that's the main character. Someone would like this trait that no one could ever possibly have without specific breeding. And I don't know, that's the fucking beginning of the story. Okay. Kind of sounds like Neo. He was like kind of born with this awareness of the world he was in. Yeah, yeah, my version of Neo, he doesn't even just see the world in like zeros and ones. He sees the world in zero, one, two, and threes. Like he sees like all the fucking numbers. Oh, wow. Sorry, go on time. Oh, that was me. I was gonna say to give us some structure here and to get hippo talking as well, I'm curious about what transhuman thing each of you wants the most. Like what do you want? Like a realistic one within our lifetime? Yeah, like what do you hope, let's say they can roll it out in the next, let's say that we are in the technological singularity. So this stuff's getting rolled out really fast, you know? Like what's the one you want to come next? Hippo, do you have any, like any things you would want to transhumanize like right now? Well, it's always weird for me because I'm not constantly thinking of everything that I do as a human being, being like something I could get rid of or would want to get rid of because I don't know what it's like to not have it. So I guess something that would just make my job easier, like the ability to write with your mind, like you would think words and then they would just come up on the page. It's called ergonomic keyboard. That would be so perfect for me when I'm fucking high because I can't write anything, but I have a thousand ideas. Yeah, to make them come out of your head and also to organize them in a way that's readable afterwards. Yeah, that would be awesome. Right, that's important. I wanna, I'll go into mind so I can sort of lay the, like let you guys know more of what I mean, though that was a good one. What I want out of transhumanism is basically autopilot, like because I like setting, I love autopay for instance, like having my bills set to just automatic payments every month, having everything just work automatically so I don't have to think about it. And I would like it if something like my personal upkeep could just be automatic. Like I don't have to worry about, for instance, brushing my teeth. I've just got nano bots that do that or my teeth are just not something that has to be taken care of or like, you know, my hair and beard are just set at a length and like I don't have to do anything basically. I can just do my job and not worry about like constantly falling behind on personal upkeep because I'm too distracted by everything else. That's what I want like first. You know, on that front, you know how that when you're in a coma, they actually, they sort of exercise your body for you. They like stretch your muscles and they move you so you don't get like bed sores as well as like keep you alive and able to function once you come back. Like the exercising takes a lot of fucking time and a lot of concentration and focus to do it, right? But yeah, man, I'm totally with you. And all I want out of it is to be healthy. Like, I mean, I know you can, there is a lot to be learned from working out like about self-discipline and there's a lot of good things that come from it. But like when you're in a position like I am where your life's pretty figured out and it's not that I lack the discipline per se so much as like I want to do other things and it takes up a lot of fucking time and energy, you know? And it doesn't always leave you in a state where you can then perform sitting in a chair for the next eight hours. So that's an interesting thing about. And here you go. Okay, well, it's an interesting thing about that because like if things are just like easy for everyone to do, you know, the thing like having a perfect physique or whatever, it stops being special and then everyone can have it. And also like the discipline thing, if all these like transhumanist things are like, like should they be expensive? Should they be like this some sort of like you have to be a certain age or you have to prove that you're worth all this stuff or is it just giving it to everyone? Like what's the moral thing? I would prefer to give it to everyone. I think, I don't know, it's interesting to the idea of like we'd all end up the same or it would stop being special because that just means that the only people who are gonna do it are people who want it for like real, I mean, everyone should be healthy because that's just better for everybody. Yeah, it's not a hard decision, but still most people don't. That wasn't really my point, I was just saying it, but like, I don't know, I feel like some people, they don't all deserve all the like benefits of technology as like, I don't know. I feel like there's some sort of a barrier to get into that. I think it'll make people better though. Like people who, well another thing I would really want is some kind of, you know, we need ways to like control our minds better I think. Like it would be nice if we had a transhumanist way to, I don't know, alleviate insanity. Like I just feel like there is a risk if like everybody becomes the same person or something, but like I feel like as we approach, it would just be a change in like what we value. Like I mean, there was once a time where everybody was healthy, you know, like because you had to be or else you fucking died. So like, well okay, maybe not, maybe health is not the thing. Maybe like fit or something. Yeah, everyone had to be fit. There was a time where there wasn't fat slobs everywhere, you know, but like, and it didn't mean that everybody has to do the same thing. It just means you can change your focus elsewhere. Like a guy who, like there's some people who are way into fitness and that's their whole identity, but if fitness was just something taken care of, they would probably just do something else. You know, like that just wouldn't, it just wouldn't be something that is somebody's identity in this future, but something else might be. Something that we didn't know we had time for. My answer to your whole question about what you would do, what I would do, what I would want the most out of like a quick rollout of transhumanism would be another way to do the same thing essentially, which is also an expansion of what Hippo said, which is just having a computer screen I can see and control mentally, then I would never, I could just go for a walk all day and get all my work done. That would be the tits. I love that idea, but for me, in all sci-fi stories, that is the thing I least can believe is like controlling things with your mind, because your mind doesn't work that straightforwardly. Like at least my thoughts, they don't occur in like a narrative way. It's not like- Well, it's not impossible to control because like I've seen disabled people with like robotic arms that are controlled with like wires into their brain. I feel like if we have the ability to control our bodies to the level of precision that we do, like just if you move all your fingers at once, like I'm doing right now, like that's a lot of precise control that I have. I feel like it is possible. It might actually take a lot of effort to do, like as a person- I'm just wondering like if it, let's say I'm typing with my mind, is it going to only type the things that I want to be typed, or is it going to type every fucking word that's in my head of which there are thousands? Well, the assumption is that you'll get a little extra little chip, a little tiny bit of a little brain matter that will take care of all that, just be like, yeah, just the same computer codes can now be thought. The way I would assume it would work or that I imagine is that you're not like thinking a word like in your head the way you would think a word now, you're imagining or controlling a pretend arm typing on a pretend keyboard. Right, because when you're typing, you're still thinking of the end words you want to type. So this is just taking those motor actions and translating them into the head screen itself. So you're just, you're typing, you're using that same thought process like, okay, now I'm going to type this sentence after I've thought about what it's going to be. And instead of changing that into a physical motor action, you're just directly putting it onto whatever this display is. But hey, ultimately we are talking about fiction. So like I'm prepared to say like, yeah, we can figure that out. So that seems fair to me. Did you want to add anything else or can I go? No, that was it. Okay, mine is a little bit further out and possibly not even real or could be done. But what I want the most is I want the ability to detach consciousness from the physical body. And that could mean either to like physically body swappings that I can be a big slut and fuck dudes. That'd be cool. Or like the ability to sort of, and this is like next level shit, but like uploading your consciousness to the cloud, to the internet. Real quick, if you could have an adroit body, if we could swap our brain into someone else's body, would anyone in here remain male? Cause I know I would not. Well, not all the time, certainly not. Long term, I would want to remain male. I mean, I do like being a guy. I would reevaluate what it even means to be male in a world with that, where that is the case. So would everyone. But I'm pretty happy being male right now. I would probably be both. I don't see any reason why not to be both. Like at the same time, I mean, the body would just both. If everyone in the future will just have a dick and tits and it'll be great. I wonder if after you do the other one, if you'll be like, actually it's not all it's cracked up to be. Like once you've been it, will it just change your perception of it entirely? Oh yeah, yeah. I'm sure it's gonna be different. It'll end sexism. It's great. I'm sure it'll have an effect. You know though, what this does make me think of a lot is the, I give brought this up a little bit. Like if this stuff gets implemented to some degree, imagine the incredible gap that will develop between people who have this shit and people who don't. I think that's probably the most terrifying part. And there are times when I'm always wondering like, do the super elite already have transhumanist benefits that we just don't even know about? Maybe man, maybe. See I'm not afraid of that because I'll be in the transhuman camp and I'll have a rocket launcher in my arm. And so if all the proletariat are like, we're gonna overthrow you because you fucking pieces of shit, I'll just be like, until all the poor people. Yeah. Classes of boys. I think in order to be in that camp you need more than 350,000 subscribers. I think the wealth gap is a little bit bigger than that. Pewdiepie is gonna be the only robot YouTuber so I wouldn't be able to afford it. He's gonna go around assassinating the media. Shitty commenters, yeah. And the media. He's gonna upload a video where he gets some people in like a third world country uploading death to all flesh bags. He's gonna gasp like, how could they say that? Indeed. I look forward to the racial slurs that develop for transhumanists. It's gonna be fun. Oh God, we're really talking about the boringest parts of future novels. Like, oh the disparity, oh the weird words we come up with. Yeah, okay, skip this chapter. Well, yeah, but like the whole like poor thing. Like I assume if we have like all this super technology, we'd get to a point like where there's no reason we couldn't give it to everyone, but then my problem would be who would use it properly. If we're still operating under that economic model, yeah. Like to just trickle down and become more affordable. If capitalism is still real, like why would we give it to them? And it's possible that like nothing that someone who doesn't have these abilities could ever do could like get them to a place where they can like afford to do this. I'm just wondering at that point, if we get to the point where you can literally, you know, have a cybernetic body, we would get technology to that degree. Like would we even have problems with like means of production at that point? Like I can't even see capitalism even being a throttle by that point. Those are separate issues. I think those are disagreeing. This is addressed in an interesting way in a show that the first half of which is amazing and the second half is a dumpster fire called Cado, where an alien life form shows up on Earth and he's trying to advance humanity as fast as possible, basically. And so he comes bearing gifts and the first gift he gives them is these little orbs that have infinite energy. And he's like, I want everyone in the world to have this, but like the government and what's it called? The United Nations are like, we want to have control over it and have sanctions. So basically he teaches people how to just make them, like how to make these balls so everyone can have it. And he was like, what these people don't understand, like what the government's not understanding is they're worried about like this being an arms race or a power struggle. But the fact is if everyone has it, there's no need to fight over it. Like everyone can have this, you know? That's true and all, but it is possible. Like if everyone had nukes right now, it's possible like North Korea, if they had overwhelming power, would just destroy everyone else. So that is a real concern to have. So I'm with the UN right now, but okay, go on. No, that was it. That's all I had to say. I can kind of relate that to. That show goes right, it doesn't, it does not continue to explore this amazingly interesting situation it's created. It then turns into a terrible action show. But the doodah, talking about that in regards to say like scarcity, right? For example, we're entering a situation where more and more shit is automated and people are concerned about humans having jobs. The thing is every time a robot replaces a job, it makes living on the earth a little bit cheaper. Like imagine we just have robots for like everything. We have robots that construct a house and like refurbish it. And also the robots deliver the pieces of that house to the building site. And also robots mind and cut down the resources from planet earth to make those parts. So if everything is done through robots, and let's say even the administration of the business is done through robots, then the only thing you're having to pay for is the energy spent operating the robots which the robots could themselves be mining for making even the obtainment of energy resources really cheap. Meaning in a society where everything's done by robots basically there's not necessarily much need for money if we just skip straight to the far future. But the problem is that moving into that progress is sort of blocked or clogged up by like laws and social standards that are in place to keep people from getting jipped out of work or finances, stuff like the minimum wage. Like for all it does to help people not get fucked over but it also kind of fucks over progress in a lot of ways. And yeah, you know. You're not wrong. It's a complex thing. Yeah, transitioning to that. Everything about the way our system, at least in America right now, is adapted for the current situation we found ourselves in. Well, I guess you got to actually argue it's adapted for one like 50 years ago that we're still trying to catch up to right now with. But probably even before that. But nonetheless, like you're entirely right. This getting to these positions is going to be a very difficult struggle and a very, you know. Because you're gonna have this transition period where people are displaced. That's right, that's right. Guys, what if, what if, what if Rick and Morty was real? Hey, Rick's got a robot body sometimes. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. That'd be cool. Tom, you haven't answered this yet, have you? I have not answered it yet. Right, right. I mean, I guess mine's just really fucking petty compared to everybody else's. The one thing I'd want is to just like, I've always been disgusted and ashamed in the fact that our flesh and blood bodies are so fragile. Like it's just like, oh, like you have like one heart and if something happens to it, you're fucked. Like we can kind of hopefully stitch something in there but you gotta wait around and it's not a good chance. Like it just blows my mind that we can't just swap it out. So if we're gonna do transhumanism, what I think the first thing that should happen is either nano machines that can enhance and repair organs. So bodies don't die and don't break down as easily. Literally the metal gear rising. Nano machine, son! Yeah, that's right, that's right. That's, I mean, it just seems like the most logical thing because like, long term, I would like to have a fully synthetic body, not necessarily like something out of like Deus Ex Human Revolution where they just literally attach metal arms onto me after sawing off my normal ones. Cause like Deus Ex is a great example of like why that doesn't really work. Cause like in the world of Deus Ex, in the original game, they have nano machines. Like that's the current technology. So like the main character, JC Denton, he walks around, he looks pretty much like a regular guy but his entire body is augmented with nano technology. I've only played the first one. The whole point of Deus Ex one is that it's like, oh man, you've seen robot guys, but this is a guy who's robots are so small, he looks like a normal guy. But then you're telling me the later Deus Ex games from the following century regressed on that idea? Come on, it's 20 times. It's 20 times. The other games are prequels to the first one. Yeah, they take place I think 20 years beforehand. So maybe a prequel to a futuristic story is a dumb idea. Just JK. I thought it was actually really interesting. I think it worked very, cause like the idea and like the original Deus Ex is obviously it's talking about augmentation and stuff in general, but it also has this interesting idea of like, we have all these clunky big robot dudes walking around that like, at the time that was like the shit and what you were supposed to do, but now like you can't, they can't get the nanomachines in the way that normal people being born now can because they already hacked off the regular limbs. So there's this dichotomy of like, now they're second class citizens where before they weren't because they can never take advantage of this new technology the way that people now can. And then the Deus Ex human revolution, it's talking about the impact on current society of having augmentations becoming something in the beginning. You could already see in those games the foreshadowing of like, the nanomachines technology coming cause obviously the series has that in its lore already. So it's two different kind of conflicts, but that's like, I just, it just seems to me the Deus Ex original game, that's kind of like the robot body I'd want or like the cyber brain robot body out of Ghost in the Shell. That just makes more sense. Cause I think it's just, it's more advanced in general. Like I wouldn't want to have this big, giant fucking hulking arm. Cause like the main character in Deus Ex human revolution, his tech looks really like slick and nice and shit, but that's because like, it's the most expensive fucking crazy shit they could buy. Normal people walking around that you talk to look like fucking Gundams and not in a good way. That sounds kind of dope, but you know, once we get, once we get really deep into this shit, like, like remember in Ghost in the Shell how there was like the president of one of the companies is just like a dude in a fucking box with like tiny little, like that's like the coolest thing ever. But I like, yeah. I wanted to talk about this cause you said like, eventually you want to disconnect consciousness from physical bodies. And this is something I think about a lot because I love transhumanism as a concept, but the thing that I always wonder is like, what's the end game? We're going to keep pushing this forward and forward and forward. And the end game seems to inevitably be to abandon physical reality entirely in my opinion. I think that sort of or make the form that you sort of host in like it could be anything. My thing is like, what if you just existed digitally? Like what if you just, there was no, like the physical, because like, no matter how much we like augment ourselves with like human, like humanoid cybernetic bodies or whatever, even just like non-human cybernetic bodies, we're still limited by being physical, of having mass, of taking up space. And so like, if you lived completely digitally, like think about it this way, when you're on the internet and you go to a website, you don't have to travel from Google physically to the next website. You just go there. What if like that's how travel in general works? Like if you were just digital, like first of all, there'd be no need for construction because everything could be made instantaneously because it's digital. So there's no worrying about resources. Resources are finite or infinite, not finite anymore. You're not dealing with finite resources. Like, oh, someone needs a house, just drop in the house.exe and it just builds it. So like, there's nothing to deal with that. The thing with all that, and this is like the line I draw because digital, enhancing your body so that you can do things in the real world way better, getting rid of the need to sleep and all that sort of stuff. That's fine. But when you start talking about living entirely as digital beings, I'm like, well, a digital being doesn't need a house. He doesn't need anything. Well, that's exactly where I was about to go. He may as well have just killed himself. Well, no, no, my point is that when we get to this point of being a physical, of abandoning physical reality entirely, if we get to that point, you have to actually wonder, like, can our brains even cope with that? Because if you're not a physical being anymore, and let's, why would you get in your car and drive to work? Why would you even have a concept of like buildings and roads, you would just be like energy, basically a consciousness that exists. And like, could the human brain, which has kind of obviously evolved to deal with the limitations of physical reality, adapt itself to a reality where I can't comprehend it of being just like thoughts and math or like thoughts and consciousness that kind of just can sift and move around somehow and interact with other things. Like, I don't even know how it works. It's beyond clearing my comprehension. That's why I'm gonna actually lay down an actual like solid, like a dye in the wool or lying in the sand prediction, right? You see people in the past be like, oh yeah, I should eventually, computers may only be the size of two refrigerators by the year 2000, you know? But in some people who hit it right on the fucking money, you know, like, oh man, this whole internet thing, I think it's gonna bring us all together and it also isolate us and create weird anonymous people, right? Some people are right on the money. So I'm gonna take my chance, right? My prediction as I sort of alluded to earlier is that when we inter-post scarcity, be it because we all become digital concepts or because we have 3D printers and intergalactic travel and we have like nanomachines that protect our bodies forever. One way or another, once we inter-actual true post scarcity, it's only a matter of watching those RPGs, RTS stat bars on the galaxy go up, waiting for that resources to be mined from our solar system and other stars. When we get to that point, my prediction is that people will have a mass exodus from actual awareness of lucidity, right? Everyone will just go into simulations, right? Be it actually constructing a simulation and like living in it or just building a program, you know, like 1950s American housewife.exe, boom. You now think that's you, your memories are totally altered and like once that simulation of you version dies and you become conscious again, you're like, oh, okay, so now I'm gonna do this or that. We just come up with all sorts of weird fucking lives for us to have and you know, and we just exist like that forever and ever and ever and that's basically it. I think that basically works. I just feel like, what's the point? Like why would any of that ever exist for anyone? My concern is that like if you upload yourself to the cloud, then there is, there just is no more you. You are just part of the cloud. The cloud is just everybody. It's just a collective conscious. Cause like you have all the information there is. You know, like if you are a part of the information, then like basically you know what everyone else is thinking cause it's all in the cloud. You know, like you've basically, you're just a part of the overall. There could be partitions if you want there to be. It's not you have to. I mean, there would have to be heavy partitions for it to mean anything to a human going into it. I think that the divisions between individuality wouldn't be the access to information would be the interpretation of it because that's how information works right now. You can give two people the same information. They can extrapolate completely different results. Well, okay. You know, I talked about like computer brains, right? So human brains right now is a computer that is always running, right? It's all even in a coma. It's always constantly going through its program loop, right? And whereas, you know, a hard drive or a program on a floppy disk or whatever can just be inerts, right? All the data is there, but it's not moving. So you could program something on a floppy disk to be like, oh man, when I'm running, I want to eat food. Food.exe, where the fuck can I get my food, right? But if it's just the floppy disk not being run, it's inert data, not moving, it's not alive, right? So presumably, if you want an accurate, if we're already assuming that we're having accurate representations of the human brain, one prerequisite is that we're already running, right? We're not just data on a floppy disk because then we're dead until someone boots us back up, right? So if we are running, then presumably if it's an accurate representation of the human mind, there is going to be a, hey, I need more of my fucking food value. Can I please get my food variable, please? Can I please get my human comfort variable? I need it, right? So for me, it's, I don't know. I feel like that's kind of like a really obtuse of hair discipline. Here's my ex, let me give you my expectation of my final form of transhumanism that I imagine. And even longer beard. The disparity will be pretty massive because even right now, think about the information disparity between someone who not only has a smartphone but uses it all day to use the internet to access all the worldly information and someone in a tribal society in Africa or something. Like the information disparity is unbelievably massive. I just imagine people in that tribe, yeah. Well, I imagine that people in some tribes out in the world literally have no concept of what the world is at this point. You know, like there's no way to bridge the information gap that's at that scale. So I'm imagining that yes, there will be a way to have a partitioned mind in a machine. The people with the partitioned minds, they're going to be the Babylon. Like it's just people fucking around. Like people just, my mind's in a computer and I can do anything now. My life's gonna be nothing but fucking sluts all day. Like that's the partitioned minds. Then you have the people who join the collective cloud conscience who all mind melded into one being and they're the ones who within a year solve how to get off the planet and they fuck off. And they're like, look, humans, y'all got a choice. You can either mind meld with us and get the fuck off this planet or you guys can hang out here until the planet explodes. And we're all like, you know what? Giving up my individuality scares me too much so I'm not joining the cloud conscience. I guess, I mean, I don't. It's very interesting, Digit, that you use the word Babylon there because I think that is a very accurate word to use because Tower of Babylon and all that. And this whole discussion, what we're kind of with our ape-like understanding and our crude human matter brushing up against at the top of this is like where does, what lies above the consciousness that we now have? What happens when we all meld ourselves into a greater collective that has all the processing power of the entire species? And that is entirely what the end of the, of course, the most famous, most successful Ghost in the Shell movie is all about because that's exactly what happens with the puppeteer. The puppeteer, you know, access, if find some way to access, like to basically upload him, herself, itself, whatever, to like this network and Motoko briefly, briefly experiences what that would be like. And in both the manga and the anime in the movie rather, like she basically sees the face of God for a second. It's portrayed in this angelic way. And I think that is a fascinating way to interpret it because I don't care about religion at all. I think it's bullshit and God doesn't exist. But I am happy to accept that what people think religion is and think God is could just be some higher level understanding that maybe in history, sometimes people have tapped into for brief moments. It's possible in some weird way that I don't understand. But the point of it is, I don't think it does. To vote, to vote, the point of it is there is a higher level of consciousness than what we have. It might not be anything like what we think existence or consciousness is right now, but there is something above it. Maybe it's even just so much consciousness and processing power in a place that it makes like her, basically exactly like her, where everything we experience now is like incredibly slow motion and incredibly basic compared to what that thing can process. And to become a part of that is to completely lose what you were before and to become something just God-like. Okay, so the whole thing about the collective, right? I'm gonna really like shit on the idea of a collective, I guess ironically, according to the memes. But like, what I understand about computer hardware, I don't know if anything, I don't know. Like I guess there might be some big old fucking matrix somewhere in some facility that people have been constructing, I guess. But the actual internet is not like that at all. The actual internet is just a bunch of different servers with a bunch of different fucking wires. There was one time not too long ago where some fishermen just dropped a big fuck-off anchor down to the ocean. It happened to snap a particular ocean line. And like some random South American nation was without internet for like a couple of days because they had to fix that, right? There is no like central place where everything is. Everything is like F2P or whatever, no, no, fuck. It's like torrents, right? It's just one thing going, yeah, peer-to-peer, yeah. One thing go into another thing, go into another thing, right? You're entirely right. You're entirely right about that. What exactly would be this collective? I'm not saying you couldn't very easily construct something for that, but like what's the point of that? You're just like a basic version. The basic version of what I'm sort of describing here is like, okay, what if you could just access the internet from your brain at any time? Like that's like the first step. It would be like, okay, now I just like know everything. Now I just, I know everything. So this is different now. I am a different person than what I was before I knew everything. And that's just like the first step. What if you could then communicate with everyone in real time instantly, in addition to knowing everything? Okay, that's again, different. Oh, I see what you mean. Different. Because essentially you already know everything on the internet. If you count flipping out your phone and then reading it into your eyes as knowing it. Because essentially your phone with its access to the internet is essentially a memory bank that just takes longer to get into your server than just having it in your brain directly would be, yeah. That's kind of an interesting thing, how like the definition of memory works like that. Like I was actually thinking recently, like if someone did like a memory swap thing or suddenly you have like, let's say a memory addition, right? Let's say you like invade someone's brain and you have all their memories and now you have control of them, right? And I'm like, would you just suddenly, you wouldn't have like the sudden moment where you suddenly remember everything about their lives. It's rather, let's say you get up in their room, right? You look at your kitchen and you're like, oh hey, I suddenly know where everything is. You remember each thing as you need it. So essentially being part of this collective. Because that's how memory works. Yeah, you just, you just be able to know what when you need to know it. So you could very well still have a pretty big disparity of intelligence regarding like how well you can like actually interpret all of that information. So yeah, okay, that makes sense. That's a fucking interesting thought. I always imagine the cloud is like a beowulf cluster of brains, like at the end of psychopaths. Oh yeah. Like, sorry. Well, I don't know. It's usually just down to the question of are you willing to just go into this unknown thing? Cause nobody can, nobody in an AI digital form will be able to accurately explain to you exactly what it feels like in the life-spanning of a human. They just can't do it. So you have to just take a, you know, jump in or just not. It's really interesting, Hippo, cause the stuff you're, the way you're describing it is exactly what the first episode of Serial Experiments Lane is about. Which is where a character kills herself so that she can be only exist in the cloud. And she's basically like mass emailing people telling them like, you should come here because it's the most liberating feeling. Like it changes what you are. And basically Lane ends up following her into the cloud based on sheer curiosity about like, what is it like to have that? You know? That's true. I mean, personally, when it comes to that question, I am not convinced that it would be better. I'd be terrified. But it might change. It depends on your definition of better. If my life was terrible and I was gonna kill myself anyway, I would do it by jumping into a digital, big old computer thing. Right, sure. Actually, I'd like to like bring the whole discussion over to that idea if we could is like, let's think realistically, like forgetting your ideology and actually incorporating what level of fear or inertia you have, inhibitions you have in adopting potentially dangerous, untested technology or not completely tested on the actual public. You know, we live in a fucking note seven society here. Technology that could end up having unforeseen consequences. Like what would you actually do as a preventative measure? Or like, how quickly would you adopt it based on the information? I'll tell you, for me, like I, even right now, even though I made the case for why it's safe earlier, I still would be uncomfortable driving a self-driving car. Indeed. The only way I'd be comfortable enough is if most people were doing it. Basically, I'm a fucking sheep is what I'm saying. Like I will probably never be an early adopter. No, I'm not because I want it to be, I want it to already be perfect by the time I get there. And agree. It's a different thing to be an early adopter when like, okay, there's a new phone out. Okay, I'm gonna rush in and be the early adopter as opposed to like my fucking car, you know, that's like it's a different level of stakes here. Partly it's because I won't learn everything about it. I want someone else to be, I want it to be something that like, because let's say you fuck up your smart car, how many people can fix it? You know, like how many people understand what's wrong with it? Do you know what's wrong with it? Even people who know cars won't know what's wrong with it. You'll have to go to Tesla. The Google corporation. You know, if it was everywhere, if it proliferated. Imagine the Google algorithm to fucking get your car fixed. Oh, Tom, you took the fucking algorithm right out of my mouth. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah, like even with smartphones, you know, I didn't come in until the fucking note three was like my first smartphone. Like, because it wasn't prolific enough that I immediately understood it. And it was only once everyone had one and I got what you could do. It was basically the day I saw somebody playing Super Mario 64 on a phone that I went, okay, this technology has come too far for me to ignore it anymore. You know, right? And you just look on the bell curve, you're like, you're the late majority slash laggard when it comes to things in general. I would say, I would say early majority of depending on what the technology is and what I think my use for it will be. Like for instance, if we start having optic implants, you know, my eyes, I'm afraid about my eyes. Like sometimes my eyes hurt for no reason and I feel like it would might be better if I had specialized, you know, like. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. If that technology, if the technology gets rolled out where like some people have augmented eyes and then now there's an entire new field of film that you can only watch if you have specialized. Oh no, you know they're real big. And my favorite animators are working in that field. Like that's where I'm gonna start getting convinced. You know, you gotta draw me in. You gotta make me think that my life's gonna be better than it is. And I'm fairly happy with my life. So like I don't need, you know. I'm definitely someone, I'm someone who's more like willing to take a chance. Like if it intrigues me, I'd probably do it. I think the problem for me would be cost because I have no fucking money. But in terms of willingness, yes. The interesting thing is like, is there a line? This is a question I wanted to bring up to people because it definitely is for me. Is there a line that you won't cross? Is there some, if they, is there some sort of transhumanism that you'd be like, no, I'm not going that far? What is my life right now? Because if, like Hippo said, if I'm depressed and everything's going wrong, fuck it. Throw me in the cloud. Like if my life is miserable, especially, let's say I became like a vegetable or something. Oh yeah, do anything to me. Like fucking get me out of here. Like I don't need to be in this body anymore. But like, if I'm as I am now where my individuality means a lot to me, it's difficult for me to imagine just giving that up for the means. It's a well documented thing that people don't change that much once they're past a certain age. So even if right now I began to see like the entire population of the earth adapt to it, let's just say I augmentations. Everyone's getting robot eyes. To then, to sell myself on the idea of going into the doctor, having him literally cut the eyeballs out of my fucking skull to replace them with something else. I'm just saying, it would be a hard sell because I don't know anyone who's had their eyeballs cut out of their fucking skull. I've never seen it done. It's gonna be, because it's gonna be an incredibly expensive procedure. And if it's not expensive, I don't want it because they're gonna fuck it up. Like I want the best scientist in the fucking world augmenting my eyes. It better not be some fucking quack doctor. Yeah, for me it's like. Unless the technology is that easy to do. Man, when you imagine, imagine when this technology is finally out, all the fucking my vision is augmented memes that would resurface. Dude, like, so for me, it would be a whole new class of memes you could only understand with those eyes. Oh, just like fucking, what's that movie with the Obey and shit? They Live. It'd be a whole They Live meme scape. There'd be Reddit posted everywhere. The troll face. So for me it's about weighing the different levels of risk and weighing the different levels of value. So like, you know, if they got nanomachines that make you to where, hey, if you fall a 50 foot gap, you come off with a scratch or get hit by a car, you might have a broken bone, right? And it's like, oh, there's like 10 reports of someone randomly dying from those nanomachines every year. I'm gonna go for that, you know? Because life is dangerous. You never know when you could fucking fall on die, right? So I think I'd go for that, assuming it's not too expensive. If there's something that's like a little, a little... Dude, you know that if nanomachines came into existence and like the death rate in the world dropped from like a hundred million to like 10, people would be like, oh, fuck those nanomachines. Man, they're killing people out there. They're fucking killing people. Yeah, totally would. That's humans for ya. That's humans for ya. Yeah. The thing that, the line that I wouldn't cross for me personally, and maybe as if time goes on and technology gets more advanced and our understanding improves, I could be swayed on this. Cause I'm willing to say that I could be swayed on anything really, if you present a good enough argument. I know what you're gonna say, Jew technology. I hear you. I cannot cross that. You got me. No, I would be more than willing to have my body augmented as long as I knew it was safe. I would have the willing to have my brain augmented if I knew it was safe. The one thing I just don't, I don't think I would ever feel comfortable doing unless you gave me a really solid argument would be, would be to have like my consciousness copied onto a computer. Because I think that you're still alive in your brain. So like you can enhance that as much as you want. But as soon as you like kill my brain, like I'm dead, a copy of me is existing. So Tom, are you saying, are you uncomfortable with the idea of just like there's you and then they make a copy and then there's two of you or this like you're transposed from here to there? I'm saying being transposed is still, because you will be dead. You will die. There will be a new you. Yeah, there is no transposition. It's a copy paste and deleting the original file. The only way, I've been thinking about this before, the only way that I'm at all like comfortable with that is that what's that ship, the ship of Theseus or whatever, like that model. If we can like plug in my brain to the computer and slowly piece by piece, we move little bits of me over so that after a while I'm like halfway on, halfway off. And then we keep doing that until now I'm all the way on the computer. Even then it's kind of like a hazy maybe. You're still dead. I think you're still dead. Right, well, the problem. I don't have an answer. I mean, that doesn't really come into the thing. Like it's, you know, if you're. You're just slowly being copied. That's all. This whole discussion is. It's the same as teleportation. Like you're killing yourself and, but you know, as you understand. May I remind? It's gonna be around. It comes to the teleportation argument. I always have to remind everyone that every seven years, there is no same atom in your body that was there seven years ago. Yeah. You are literally a wholly different person every seven years. It's the continuity that people value. That's what's mad. And that's why I think the ship of Damocles, the ship of Theseus, whatever it is. That models, whatever it is, that sort of makes sense to do it that way. As long as there's continuity, you're conscious the entire time you're slowly transposed for one body to another. I mean, it makes no sense. I'm more willing to entertain that than a snap cons copy. Yeah. Yeah. That whole discussion is based on a really stupid axiom that, oh, you have to delete the original. That's absolutely not a thing at all. There's no reason why you couldn't just copy it. Some people, it's a whole separate issue though. There's just two people. Yeah, like, am I comfortable with there just being another me? I would have to think about it. That's like a separate question. I think it would be really funny. Just like in Homestuck with Lil' Hal. The Daboo Collective would be comfortable with having you copy her stuff. Oh yeah, you would, you fucking motherfucker. That also happens. That happens at Serial Experiments Lane and the alternate version ruins her life. So, you know, it can be scary. Well, that goes back to the horrors of technology needing to create conflict. Here's what I would do. I would make a copy of myself in a robot body so that I could beat it up if it, you know. Yeah. So that it's got a big... For confidence, for self-esteem, like, fuck you, dude. No, no, no, what I mean is, if it tries to fuck up my life, it still has a physical presence and it can't run and hide in the internet. Like, it's just on a chip. And if I wanted to kill it... You just keep it on a flash drive in your pocket and you'll flush it down the toilet as soon as it starts acting a bitch. Hey, if fucking your clone is not gay, is beating up your clone like not violent? Is it just like self-flagellation? You know, what are the laws here? Dude, guys, if I could clone myself like my brain, I would, like, immediately start an animation studio that's just me. And you might think it's a joke, like, fantasize about that every day. I'm just like, man, I just thought of a funny animation I could do. Oh, fuck, there's only one of you. It would take too long. I could finally get someone to do textures for me and do all my video editing. Yeah, imagine... They'd be miserable, but I'd pay them nominally. We didn't really think about that, but imagine, like, the logical extreme of that. What if, like, one guy was like, okay, I'm just gonna keep making copies of myself until I can fucking run everything? And then he just starts, like, and then, like, 90% of all people are this guy now. He's in all the hard drive space. Oh, my God, it's Shadow Clone Juicy in real life. And it's fucking Ben. And the worst part is it's fucking Ben. Oh, no. Then no one's in the entire universe is never on time. Oh, get fucked, Ben. The whole thing with, like, having copies of yourself. Like, if it was, like, physical human clones, then it would be weird, like, you're a human being, blah, blah, blah. But if you're a robot, I can program you to not care about being the main one. So I can be the main one. Yeah, I know. But, like, you can argue that I am people as well. I definitely am interested, and this is something like Rick and Morty explores a lot, where he always makes, like, a clone, but there's something different. And it's, like, usually they just, like, he'll say, you know, this clone doesn't have a sense of self, or, like, it's not... Basically, you can abuse this thing, and it is not a human rights violation because it's not quite human, you know, or it's not quite you. And I always find that really fascinating. I always wonder what, if I would use it, like, would I feel too bad, you know? Because, like, Rick's always raising that, like, you know, other people who he, you know, shows these clones are always, like, horrified, and he's, like, yeah, but, you know, it's not quite human. I'm just saying, you know. Yeah, you know, I remember, like, is Rick smart enough to make an argument that lets him basically do whatever he wants so he can find a way to justify, you know, killing whoever Morty just accidentally killed? True. You know, I know, like, Bill Whittle, a guy who's, like, big into futurism and space exploration, like, he gets invited to, like, SpaceX sometimes, stuff like that, right? And, like, he got invited to, like, some showing of some new robot, like, animal thing. It just, like, walks around on four legs, but, like, intelligently reads the terrain in order to get around, right? And the guy, and one of the engineers was, like, yeah, it's pretty cool. Bunk, he kicks it, like, kicks it right in the head equivalent and, like, the robot, like, like, trying to, like, catch its balance and, like, steadily gets back up. And Bill was, like, I had to restrain myself from getting mad at the man because I felt like he had just hurt something. Yeah, I know, right, I know. And it's, like, ooh. I love watching videos of people beat up robots in order to... It's fucking, it's Boston Dynamics, man. Boston Dynamics are the most evil people on the planet, according to some robot rights groups. Yeah, you know what? It's really, it's so fascinating, though, because, like, it really is interesting how we prescribe, like, moral consideration like that. Like, it's just because it moves in a way that we've seen things that we generally give moral consideration to. But it was just, like... That's all us. It was just, like, some random robot stiffly walking around. Even if it looked more human, it's someone knocked over, like, ha-ha! You know, there wouldn't be any of that consideration. Like, the whole thing about that to animals. Morality, like, the whole thing about, like, morality coming into the future, there's exactly one sci-fi fictional work that captures it perfectly. Duck Dodger's in the 23rd and a half century, we're at the very end. He's standing on this one tiny little fragment of planet going, I win! That is morality in the 23rd century. That sounds cool. But I like what Gib was saying there. We, we, the funny thing is, people don't think about it, but, like, yeah, we do this to animals, too. People treat animals like they have, quote unquote, souls, like humans do. When they, in fact, do not, they definitely don't. I'm pretty sure God addressed this directly in the Bible, but nonetheless, nonetheless, the guy you don't believe exists is back in your argument. Well, yeah, I use it when it's convenient. Sorry, guys. I gotta talk to God about this fact. What a fucking blue-pilled cock. Dude, like, okay, so I was, you know, I was to answer finally the question I raised a while ago of, like, how would I adopt it, right? Yeah, this whole consciousness issue just, can't that be fucking solved? I mean, maybe there'd be some post-singularity consciousness that could just convince the shit out of me, but then I'd be confused as to whether or not maybe it's just so smart. It can trick me into thinking it, you know, who knows. But so for me, the solution's pretty fucking simple. Like I said, get like a body enhancing, like body lengthening extensions or whatever, and you know, try to, and just try and live in my body as long as I can, and eventually things might come to a head, and when there's no other choice, go ahead, fucking upload me, you know, because I'm gonna die anyway, whatever, right? Yeah. I think that's- I'll get nanomachines to body lengthen my penis. Yeah. The sad truth here is that we were all born in Leirang generation when it comes to this, like, we can't, like, I really- I'm really hoping that I can taste a little bit of it when I'm like 70, if I make it that far. I mean, I think we will all at least make it far enough for some augmentation, but I really want this exact same podcast to be done like every 20 years by a different, like the next generation of us, like our kids to do this podcast and tell it, because our kids are all gonna be raised by us, a bunch of fucking goddamn sci-fi weeaboos who are gonna like rant about the glories of technology the whole time, so I wanna hear their opinions, or they're like, oh yeah, of course I- They'll rebelle and be like, we're going to, they're all Amish, just like, having this kind of game fire. I wanna know if they're like, oh, why would I want my physical form? Like, my ego is, if anything, the only weakness I have, I would love to be a part of the cloud, you know, like, I wanna know if that's- I don't know if this is likely to happen, but I always kind of wonder if like, will we hit a plateau where people are just satisfied with a level of technology? It's like, where all your physical needs are met, why bother like keep working on the issue? I have another like prediction based on, not really prediction- Because we're getting out of the planet. But a prediction diffuser, I guess, based on different predictions that are right and wrong, because as I said, you look back in the past, like, you know, 1800s, people are like, oh, we think by the year 1905, everyone will have eject packs, woo, of course they will, right? And like also, let me see, what sci-fi, there was like some sci-fi book from like 1870, where some guys go to the moon via Canon, right? And this was actually talked about in a book. Okay, okay. It was actually talked about in a book about, it was actually the art of game design, a book of lenses by Jesse Schiel. But he was talking about how at the time, everyone kind of assumed that would happen, or like, it's just sort of made sense in sort of a pulpy sort of way, because cannons at the time were getting a whole lot better constantly, right? So really when you look at everyone who was wrong about the level of steampunk that would happen by the 20th century during the 19th century, it's because they thought the same kind of rapid innovation, steam technology, machines and products and stuff, they thought that was going to just keep infinitely increasing. And so the same thing with that. The same thing with the 60s. Right, right, right. You had like a lost in space, like the year 1997, we're gonna leave Earth and it's just, because that's the whole space race was going on, and like, why would that stop? You know, that's just what it is. I like that you brought the sub-divou, because I do sometimes, lately I've had more and more doubts about computer technology actually advancing, because it doesn't feel like it's been advancing faster lately. Right, yeah, exactly. So yeah, so like, go back to what I was saying before about like the internet thing, right? Like we're computers in general. During the 20th century, people thought like technology was gonna advance more like with machines or industry or something like that. People didn't really see the whole computer thing coming until it was too late. And so one guy pointed out that they got like infinitely more powerful every 10 years. So I can see everyone making the same mistake again, which is that, oh, this whole progress that we're making is just gonna keep happening infinitely because that's our close-minded primate brain assumption, right? But it could end up being something totally different. It could end up being just, oh, 3D printers, fuck off 3D printers, they just do everything now. Or it could be some fucking fidget spinners, of course. Let's like hashtag 2017. They end up, we end up in like a post-singular society. Turns out they're the secret infinite energy and so you just spin it constantly. Yeah, we look up to the sky and the fidget spinner sun is just going off and generating energy for everyone and we have like fidget spinners instead of hearts, you know? Oh, you know what? No, I'm sorry, that wasn't me, me enough. It's just gonna be emoji. Emoji are the secret to like all of life. My prediction is that computers are going to stop. The aesthetic of computers and metal and sci-fi is gonna get, oh, who cares? And then they're gonna go back to make it. They're gonna make computers look like wood and then pirates are gonna come back and I'm gonna be a pirate. By the way, Give just hoping for a second Dark Age. We can all just go back to the girl. Yeah, a Dark Age just aesthetic-wise. It looks like that, but everything else is like perfect. We just turn all the lights off. It's a Dark Age. How's this for a millennial perspective? Before Digi said something like how technology needs to keep advancing, people won't give up because we need to get off the planet. I was going to really say as a real counter-argument, yeah, well, that didn't work for Krypton. Now did it, you idiot. And then I thought for a second and I was like, oh, wait a minute. Well, I was thinking what my train of thought went after that is really we have to escape the universe because the whole universe dies eventually. Guys, we've only got like six trillion years left. We've got to do something. Exactly. We're on the clock here. We've got to rise above our three dimensional limits and we have to become higher than it will be. No, incidentally, that's what that show Kado is about. And unfortunately, it doesn't explore this. We need to, yeah, you're right, we need to break our 3D limits. You need to vibrate higher to leave this earth of 3D to one earth of 4D or 5D. Going to the 5D is exactly what we need to do. Yu-Gi-Oh, 5Ds was the answer all along. Here we go, baby. Tom, I want to just say it by the way. We just have to do everything on motorcycles. That's the solution, that's the secret. I was really glad that Tom, that you explained what you would do the same way you did four years ago on a different podcast because you really, like I've thought, when I think about transhumanism, I think about it in terms of what Tom said about how all your organs and stuff can just fail. And that, to me, is what makes it feel urgent. Like, we could talk about this as sci-fi concepts we all want, but when I think about my fucking physical form and how shit it is, and my brother Victor had to have his pancreas removed because it almost exploded. What the fuck? Not the pancreas, I meant the appendix. His appendix had to be removed because he got appendicitis and it would have blown up and what happens if your appendix explodes is that it can damage your other organs and kill you. What does your appendix do? Literally nothing. The only thing the appendix is there for is to explode and kill you. So why the fuck have we not figured out, like, why is that not just something we can remove at birth? Well, because it's too dangerous to operate. I hear that all the time. I hear that every single time that the appendix is pointless. It can't be completely pointless. It's just that it wants to have a use. But it doesn't, just like your tonsils. That's why if you keep getting tonsillitis they just take them out because they don't actually do anything. We had them in a time where the air of the earth was different and it helped to filter air. We're a perpetual transitional form. Yeah, there's so much. There's lots of fucking design craft in our DNA and it's bullshit. Did you, did you? It's entirely right. It digested plant matter, I think. I could be thinking the wrong thing. Whatever it is, we don't need it because that's why they can just take it out. Like, if you get appendicitis, they just remove the thing and then you don't miss it. Oh, and you guys... There's zero cases of people... You guys know, like, goosebumps? That's because it's supposed to make your fur stand up on it to make it look bigger. That's right, to make it look bigger to scan up predators and shit. Indeed. Indeed. I did not know that, incidentally. Yeah. Well, does anybody have anything else to say about transhumanism or do we want to move into questions? Because I got to launch a group. I like transhumanism. I like it. I want to be at the scene. Oh, yeah. I think the thing to take relish in is that eventually we're going to have to iterate on all this technology really fast because when the technological singularity does happen and we have machines that are smarter than humans, we're all going to feel really bad about it because we have fragile human egos and that's when we're going to become fucking gods. I remember being in Digi's Kitchen one time talking about like a CGP gray, like one of his episodes of Hello, Internet where he was like, yeah, you know, guys, I don't know if I'm really into beyond human AI at this point because think about it. Yeah, we think they'll have our interests in mind but they're more intelligent than us. I imagine if gorillas had invented humans. I imagine if gorillas made humans. You think that would turn out well? And Shade walked up behind me and said, that album sucked. I remember that. I remember that, too. That's fucking classic. Oh, fuck. Oh, man. I wanted to keep going but I just want to end on that note. There's nothing I can add that's better. It's pretty good. The most important thing about this is this all needs to happen before I specifically die. Absolutely. That is the only thing that matters. Well, hey, agreed. Let's get a move on. To transition into questions because the first one is super relevant that I found. From gray nine, he asks, scientists announced we will be in a post-scarcity society by next week. What plans do you make? Oh, fuck. Complicated. I mean, what I do is I quit my job immediately and just start doing the content I want to do. Yeah, I guess that would be my first because I don't know what's going to happen once it happens. Oh, shit. I have a worry about all that shit. I actually have a really specific answer. I would tell all those people who are poised to adopt some of my baby hamsters. No thanks, man. I'm printing myself some more cages and a bigger room. That's adorable. I would spend... I would forget about YouTube because fuck it, dude. That's not that important. I would spend all of my time writing horse stuff. Oh, yes. And I would make it twice as long as home stuff because I have all the time in the world. So does post-scarcity society mean that none of us need jobs? Of course, that's true. OK, yeah, no. Honestly, I'd probably stop doing we-agg-wits on other projects. Yeah, I'm immediately off the internet forever, first of all. All I do is make really fucking weird shit with Munchie. That's my... Oh, yeah, yeah, fucking... Post-scarcity, we'd all just go... No money, just go to one place and hang out and play video games for real. Does Munch still need to finish school in a post-scarcity world? I don't know, but me and Munchie are just going to hang out and headbutt things. Oh, you know? I'll make a whole thing. I don't even want to film this for myself. I don't want to post this on YouTube. I just want me and Munchie to become so known for headbutting things that people start recording us. And we get blended by sponsorships and movie deals. Not that we need funding. Right, on that front, I would immediately go find a place for PCP HQ. That's immediately what I would do. Fucking man-made island on the Pacific, bitch. Wherever's appropriate, I would be in that quest. And be in the shape of the PCP logo. It's really hard for me to process. The only reason I'm not doing that now is because of money. I can't think of how to imagine the world without needing money. Doesn't it seem like the obvious answer is I'll just go fuck all day. I'll just have sex and drink and smoke. There's a thing about post-scarcity society that it's always interested in me. It's people frame it like, oh, it's gonna be this utopia thing where there's no need to work or anything. Money is just a meat. The only reason people even really want money is because what it facilitates. It facilitates power, it facilitates status. And your desire for power and status does not go away if you don't need money because you still have to have some way to obtain those things. So I don't think society's gonna change as much as we all think it will. Does post-scarcity mean that there is no scarcity of marijuana? Does that mean it's just a lie? You could probably 3D print it. You could probably 3D print that. Dude, no, like. I'm just gonna 3D print myself weed and watch everything ever make. You know, you can already 3D print weed. It's called planting it and growing it, my friend. He's not wrong. But you know that that honestly does, that does bring in an interesting question because the idea of like PCPHQ, it is a money-making operation at the end of the day. And as Tom said, like that still will be necessary, but like my plans for to get everybody here together to do that, do hinge on the idea that you guys will be motivated to make content, you know, to make money. And maybe that would change. I don't know. The way I see it, Nate, is that the difference between scarcity and post-scarcity PCPs, scarcity of PCPs, we all meet up in one place to make the best content we've ever made. Post-scarcity is we all meet up and we exclusively make the blue glow. Like that's it, it's all let's play. Like all we do is let's play 24-7 because all we wanna do is play video games. What I've come to realize now, now that I've started playing video games again, which I've been doing for the last couple months, I've been playing lots of games and I realize that I have no real desire to do anything but play video games and listen to the dig show. Really? That could be my life. That is so interesting because I feel totally opposed to that. Did you? That's exactly what I'm talking about. No, go ahead, Nate. Okay, but I was just gonna say, I know where you're coming from, but here's the thing, for most of my life, I did exactly that. I watched anime and played video games. It's only recently that I have felt the best about myself in my life that I ever have because I'm finally accomplishing something for myself. But that's because you live in a society where those things are not helpful to do. But that's, no matter what we do, humans are social animals and we want to have, like I'm not afraid to say it, like now that I have a little bit of like power in society, like I have an audience that respects me to some degree and people like what I do and I have something to offer that allows me to have a little bit of influence. It's those factors that appeal to me inherently as a human male, probably women too. For me personally, like 100% of all the problems in my life are tied to my influence and talking to other people. So maybe that's why I'm going to the other regrets of my life. I agree with you. My motivation for doing things is entirely because I feel like I have an obligation as a human being to use my skills and my talents in the best way that I can. The only reason I want an audience is because I need money and that's the best way to get it for doing the work that I want to do. And the only reason I bother doing like fucking gay YouTube shit that can easily generate money is because I need that money. If I didn't need money, I would do nothing that would get me in, that I would not focus on building an audience because I don't care about that. I wouldn't focus on money because it wouldn't exist. I'm curious though, I'm curious though. Doesn't your work only have meaning because it has an audience? Yeah, that's what I was gonna bring up. But for me, no. I don't think so at all. Well for me at least when I was younger. For the first like 10 years, for the first 10 years that I made things, I had no audience at all and I was upset that I didn't but it didn't stop me from making it. I wanted to do it not because I want, I mean of course you want an audience to see it but even if you had told me, tell me right now that like your project will never have an audience because I'm already working under that assumption. That's why I put so much effort now and trying to be more active on the PCPs. I'm assuming this is how I'm gonna make money and the content I actually wanna do is never gonna get the level of success that would need to be my job. But that doesn't, I have no intention of stopping to do it because that's like the only thing I feel that like gives my life actual meaning and value. Yeah, for me, I hear what you're saying. It's just that specifically you're talking about consuming art though and like the use that art has in the world is that people see it and then like enjoy it and stuff, right? So like, isn't that just an inherent part of the process? The thing that I've been trying to talk about this whole time is that in the post-skecity society people won't need huge audiences but they can all, you know, anything I want to make is for a few people like, I wanna make the horse stuck thing to impress anyone who likes homestuck and myself and close friends. And if it's an audience of a maximum of 20 people it wouldn't matter to me because that's all I was making it for. I was making it for me and a few other people. That's almost that. It's like art would be for everyone. I'm not saying I don't want an audience and I wouldn't like it. I'm just saying the work that I wanna do, I want to do because I wanna see it existing. You know what's interesting about this? That's why I wanna go to PCPHQ, by the way, is to hang out with you and the content made like in Let's Play form can entertain a few people but the reason I would move is so that I could hang out with you and it'll be like fun and social. I totally agree but this is very interesting to me. This strikes me as a fundamental difference in what we're like, what our goals are because my goal is specifically to communicate like my ideas to people and have them receive them which is why like my really primary goal is to package them in a way that both I enjoy but that people will be receptive to so that they'll hear what I'm saying and like I think I'm right so I want them to hear me and be swayed by my opinion. So like that's what I'm aiming for. The vehicle to get there is open to whatever. Nate, I think the difference between is because you're more worried, you're trying to communicate your ideas. Like your videos have a point like this is my opinion on something and in order to make the art I guess of that it needs to affect as many people as possible where like my passion project is like telling a story and like I don't need to prove it to anybody I just want it to exist. So I think because the goals of those projects are different. I totally get both of you because there's like when I make a video like here's this thing about anime that everybody's getting wrong. Like the only real value in that is correcting other people's minds. When I make like my music I don't give a single fuck who listens to it. Like if I have like one person buying it that's fine. I just want it to exist for my own sake because it's something that I needed to be off of my chest, you know. And I think I would go much more down that road if I had, you know, if I didn't have to worry about it. Yeah, I guess okay, like I guess I hear what you're saying. Specific plans, if Post-Carrifty's announced I would tell Deji, hey, you know if you wanna fucking have me edit any videos go ahead but no schedule on that. I'm not gonna write anything. Right, okay. You can't fuck Deji yet. I am not gonna write a single video ever again if I don't need money. Well, I guess I'll just still watch anime occasionally. And then also I think I'd still, I think I'd just spend all my time just making a game except it would have all the things I want to be in a game rather than some of the things heavily censored that I'm planning on putting in my game. Gabe, what were you saying, Gabe? I was gonna say like in this society where it would be like all the artists are suddenly making what they want and all of the people on YouTube who are doing clickbait will die because they don't care about it. Oh, yeah. Finally, the art landscape would change overnight. You know what's fascinating? I just watched Ricegum's reaction to the roast of him or whatever and he was talking about how this is what he lives for. He lives for drama, as a result of the content cop that just came out. And I was just like what kind of life do you live where this is your purpose in life to respond to people talking, whatever, it doesn't matter. I'm sorry, go on, Gabe. That was it, that was it. Let me get into our next question, which Dovetail's pretty nicely out of that one. Vampire. Wait, hang on, are these coming from the patron lounge? Yes, these are coming from the patron lounge. How could you possibly access such a place? If you were paying us for our amazing content, then you would be able to contribute questions to the show because, you know, fuck you otherwise. What a great pitch. Vampire.com slash best. Contribute to our personal post scarcity society and give us your money. Yeah, patreon.com slash the procrastinators. Okay, there you go. Which literally everything we just said about post scarcity will also become true of our personal careers if the PCP made enough money to just be our day job. It's very true, very true. Vampire Giffy asks a two part question. What is your best project that never saw the light of day and what is the worst thing you've made that has seen the light of day? Shit. You could start us off if you want to. Oh man, I mean, the first part, things that have not seen the light of day, extensive work. I mean, I have not made anything that is good that I have not released. I was actually just talking to you guys the other day about how like, I have never completed a video and then not released it ever. I mean, I don't spend time on things. It doesn't have to be completed. Let's just say like the best project idea that fell through, you know. Fell through? I mean, there's always a- That you've abandoned? Yeah, like if there's a project that you were working on that you feel like would have been amazing but it has not been completed, and will not be completed. I mean, I'm well known to have taken a very long time to actually release my best anime ever, Ghost in the Shell, which I am working on. But it will eventually see. But it will. But there are several other projects that I have not announced of that same ilk that like, I know things about them and have produced pieces of them already, but there are ways out. But in terms of things that got dropped, I mean, there's always what me and Ben talk about of the raise these bros, which I actually did make a song for, it was gonna be like the finale of T-Bap or something, but we never got around to it. Yeah, yeah. That song floats around in my hard drive somewhere. All right, oh. But in terms of things that are bad that I did release, I mean, I think I generally make good stuff. Ben and I did a ice bucket challenge on T-Bap a while ago. That wasn't great, that wasn't great. Though it did have a cool storyline where my glasses broke or rather keg standard, not me, his glasses broke. And that was very sad. I don't know, it's all great. Everything I've ever made is fantastic. I can answer it pretty quickly. I mean, my biggest projects, I mean, I've had one idea for a song parody that would require like a slideshow animation in order to make sense. And I've had it as an idea for like four years. I've never told anyone on the internet about it because I might still do it, whatever. I mean, really the biggest thing that I seem to systemically be unable to motivate myself to finish is like a big analysis of the Mario and Luigi series because it's just overwhelming because when I really start to think about it critically, I honestly think there's enough there that's all original points that are not redundant off of existing analysis videos of any game at all. It's like, it's honestly as dense with like things to talk about as like the Star Wars prequels. So I mean, not quite as like culturally relevant, of course, not by a long shot, but like it would just be a huge fucking project that I could honestly spend a whole year on. So I end up tensing up and just not caring enough, right? Something reminds me about the current Mario and Luigi games that makes me upset. It only lasts until the afternoon and then I just wasted like some hours typing up some shit on Google Drive or even recording something. So that's stupid. Talk about like the worst thing I've made. I mean, if you're going to be technical, there's like a shitload of just boring tweets. So just biggest failure in my eyes was when I did a video on Big Hero 6 and like just has so many great analysis things to say, but just- I like that video. Yeah, but it pushed it through so many stupid like misguided writing techniques that it's like you really can't appreciate how much analysis is in it. Like when I was writing it up until, even when I released it, it was like months later when I went back to it and was like, oh right, the audience hasn't all- Would you say that's the worst thing you've put out or just the one that is the most discordant from what it was- Yeah, yeah, not all the worst thing, of course, because like worst thing is a stupid thing to talk about when you're an internet content creator. Am I right fellas? But no, that's the one where it's like, I wrote it based on the idea that you had just seen the movie twice and also taking notes like I was. It's a stupid lack of empathy with the audience that I completely fucked up on. And when I watch it back, I'm like, there's no way you can actually appreciate my points. Oh, and also I still was not even decent at audio narration too, so it's just hard to even listen to. So when I think about it, yeah, the distance between how I thought about it at the time versus now, it's that one. Sure. Tom, do you have an answer for this? I think the best idea that I've dropped and hopefully someday I'll come back to it when I have the skill to properly realize it because I think it's probably the greatest idea I've ever had is it started out as just a narrative story, but I realized that the point I was trying to tell would be way better as a game. I don't want to get too much into it because like even to talk about the idea would spoil it and I do still want to make it someday, but it's a game that would have a dynamic art style and as the art style changes throughout the game, it also reinforces the thematic points going on in it. That's fucking cool. Damn. It's not flex, but that's cool. It's all God. If I can, that's the one, number one reason I want transhumanism, probably need like another 70 years to get good enough to make this game properly. So get on it, people. And the worst thing that I've ever released is everything that was on my very first YouTube channel that mercifully I deleted so no one can ever find it. Thank God. Hippo? Yeah, I've got a thing. The best thing that I never got around to was an idea I had while listening to Pink Floyd and it was to animate the entirety of Pink Floyd's The Wall but replacing the characters in the songs with My Little Pony. Oh. I would imagine that so hard. That's the best idea that never saw. Who has have a cigar about? Who's the have a cigar guy? That's not in The Wall. Oh, I fucked up. Oh, God damn, okay, never mind. I also had an idea for animating the division bell to be about Dick Masterson and Maddox and that whole thing. Not bad. Because a lot of those songs are like, oh, you can just imagine them talking to each other, singing to each other like this. It's great, but never ever gonna have the time to animate something like that. And also copyright would not let me monetize it afterwards, so nope. But the worst thing I did publish was, I don't know, some terrible vlog. Why it's okay to clop? You degenerate pony fucker. I've been on to you since day one. That's an okay one. No, I actually like that video a lot. I'm just memaning it. I've made like a couple like eh, whatever sort of vlogs I guess. I don't know. I don't pay attention to my failures. It's a bad idea. As a contact, yeah, you go ahead and go ahead now. I have no idea how to answer this because I have so many answers for both. Like, I have like gallons of unreleased content. Like, and the thing is that these days, I've sort of been going back through a lot of it and just like releasing the concepts and shit. Like, you know, my novel I wrote back in 2010, like for six years that would have probably been the best thing that never saw the light of day, but now I've gone ahead and just released it and finished on to the internet. Tons and tons of great story concepts. My personal favorite has always been Maho Shojo Tohenshin Papa, which is the magical girl and transforming dad where separately a daughter and father, the daughter becomes a magical girl and the dad becomes a transforming hero. And they don't, they're not even aware of it, but then eventually they have to work together. But like, I just have like a thousand ideas. I have tons of analysis videos that have never been made, album ideas, songs that I have fully written in my head, but because I cannot perform instruments, there is no way to translate them to the internet, except in acapella versions that I've released, just as like proof of concept of their existence. Actually, interesting you mentioned that, Digi. I remember watching the diaries, like the production diaries for that M.Strange guy he had for his third film, and he showed this production of like, you can get a VST that you hum, and it takes that and applies it to any instrument. He made the entire soundtrack. Oh my God, I need that badly. Fascinating. That is the coolest shit I've ever heard of. Yeah. And if I could find it, I will use it immediately. That's always in the back of my head of like, if I ever start getting into animation for real and I need to do music, that's the way I'm gonna do it. Yeah, and as for the worst thing I've made that's seen the light of day, this is equally difficult to answer because I've been on the internet since 2001 and like I've never deleted anything. Like there's some stuff that's set to private, but it saw the light of day at some point. What comes to mind first is the Otaku sex hotline. What? I've never heard of this. I told this story in detail on a recent Digi in May. I think, no, on a pub crawl. A recent pub crawl I told this story, but to summarize, I had a Tumblr that was supposed to be for people to like tell us about their like weird Otaku based sex hangups and we would like give advice except the real reason it existed was so that I eventually could just post my weird sex hangups and answer it myself. And after that happened, which was probably like the seventh post on the blog, it completely died. Like no one, everyone was just in abject horror of what I had done. Digi, what of anything you've released on the internet are you the most ashamed of to think about right now if you want to divulge that? Well, that was what came to mind first, just the Otaku sex hotline. That or like just tons of writing about like Otaku sexuality I did that doesn't hold up back in the 2010 or so. Lots of YouTube videos that are just cringe-worthy. Some of them are entertaining though. Like there's one Digi Bro, Digi, Digital Boy cracks open the double down where I just review the double down from KFC. But I'm like so awkward and creepy looking that it's like watching like a murderer rapist eat a double down. There's just a lot. Like there's tons and tons of content I've made because I've been on the internet for so fucking long and most of it's cringe-worthy. I remember the time you pretended to be a pony and you were running around and you were buried. That I'm very proud of. That stuff's great. That's awesome. I've rewatched that recently. It was awesome only because of Victor being in it. And just like, oh. That's what made it great. Poor guy. I don't know what the worst thing I've made like since becoming a popular YouTuber is. Like there's a couple of videos I've made that I wasn't proud of like sort of infamously I had just hid in my Zanko notara video because I thought it was so badly written. Like there's been a few but not. Most of the stuff I make has some entertainment value to it. Like even if it's not amazing, there's something good about it. But if you go back through my history, it's just a nonstop wave of infinite cringe. So yeah. There's lots to choose from there. So my answer for both is everything I've ever made. Let's move on to the next question. What loot will you drop when you die? Oh, shit. That's a good one. Wait, who said that one? That's from Dry Bones. Ah, damn. Oh, I would definitely be a pile of sunglasses. A pile of sunglasses. Yes, for sure, for sure. I'd drop like two Mountain Dews, a pack of cigarettes, and also sunglasses, but of a different sort. Yes, indeed. I would drop a Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell, which you can't remove. And you can't remove it from your inventory. It's like stuck in your inventory and it like takes up one weight and you're so pissed off at it forever. Just like how it weighs on your mind that forbidden knowledge every day, DeVoo. Yes, I understand, I understand. Yeah, what do you got? I can't top that. I can't fucking think of anything. You'd just a hippo plush guitar. Yeah, hippo plush, that's pretty good. Or guitar strings, yeah, that'd be good. Maybe a poof of hair. I was gonna say that. No. Hey, if we have any, that's all the same shit. That's called cutting my hair off. That's your escape tactics. You're like a wobb effect. We're gonna do any more questions. You cut my whole body off and only the hair remains. That was the true form. If we have any more questions, I gotta go, so I guess I'll just leave now unless we're done. You can go ahead. We'll go a little bit longer. Cool, so I'm just gonna post in the Discord my answers to things by listening on my phone and if someone wants to read it out loud, they can. Other than that, I'll see ya. All righty, dude. All right. Tom, Tom and you? I think mine would probably be an unidentified stylus and when you go to identify it, you find out it's cursed and now you have talent but infinite depression. God damn, I love the thoroughness of that answer. It's perfect. Oh man. Damn, Ben would definitely be like a stylus and a vape for sure, for sure. Just the vape, let's be real. Yeah, you're right, you're right. It'd be a vape stylus, like two in one. Yes. The ultimate combo. This one might be difficult but I thought it was interesting because it's so precise. DuckChutney asks, favorite character design? Oh, Jesus Christ. Full stop. Favorite character design. Shadow the hedgehog. Yeah! Yeah, Kill a Kill is pretty good anime. I actually like Ryuko is near the top of my list, for sure. That's what I had. Ryuko doesn't vary. Ryuko in her normal outfit is extremely, I like it a lot. It's very good. I also like her transform because she does look like Shadow, it's pretty great. I don't know, it's gonna sound lazy but I love everything about how Commina looks. I'm not really a big tattoo guy. He's fantastic and the color design across the series, unbelievable. But I've never been a big tattoo guy but just like, this is not limited to anime, by the way. Like it's any character design that you... Right, that's just where my mind goes. I'm gonna come back with another answer. Somebody else go. Oh, I have a good one. Mindfang from Homestuck. I forget who that is. It's Vriska's ancestor, the cool pirate queen. She's got that cool sword in the coat. Yeah, I really like that. I really like that. Shout out Powerpuff Girls Z, the anime version of Powerpuff Girls. What? Oh, yeah. Those designs were pretty cool. I'm not gonna lie. I'm gonna have to give my answer as the one character design that I've by far spent the most time obsessing with which is Ramelia Scarlett from Toho. Of course. Yeah, because she's got everything. Immortal, Lollies, Pink, she's Vampire. I'm into all those things. And just the way that even more so than the character design herself, the way that artists will always draw her in a very red world, when you look at Art of Ramelia, the whole background is always different shades of Scarlett. It's funny because her actual character design doesn't really have much red on it, but it's just kind of interpreted as fitting into that world, I guess. And I like that a lot. Here's a grab bag, just a couple. I love Griffith. I love the way, Griffith is dope. I know it's expected, but Nia, like Nia's character design is so creative and awesome. It's unbelievable. And then finally, her fucking hair, it's never been done before. No one's ever had Nia's hair and it's the best looking hair ever. Especially short-haired Nia. Yeah, I love short-haired Nia with her pink-ass hoodie. God, she looks fantastic. And finally, Ramza Lugria in his second and third armor forms, not his basic bitch order of the North Sky one. That's her pussies. There you go, that's all. All right, the gobs asks, what is your biggest pet peeve with amateur content creators? It's, I can go right off still. Proceeding a video, it's proceeding a video with talking about how they haven't made a video. Oh my God! Yeah, dude. Fuck! Or just like all the preamble, the endless preamble up to the fucking point. Pretty much my thing is having to explain why you're making it. Having to like just cut, just give us the content. We don't need like the background of how you came about to doing it, because it's always the same story. It's not like you did not have some unique epiphany. You just thought like, it's almost always, at first I didn't think the show would have much to talk about, but turns out it did. And it's like, yeah, otherwise you wouldn't have made a video. Every fucking time. Fucking asshole. You know what, honestly I love those because now I just laugh when I see them. I laugh the whole fucking time. Like the worst part about those is that sometimes there's videos that I know are supposed to have an interesting point and it bothers me so much I can't watch the video. Like I've had people- That's like my cardinal sin. I still do that to this day. I think I've recorded something today that has that in it. You know what? It's not even a joke. People have like, and there's ways to do it fine. Like if you have a lot of charisma or if you've worded it well enough, like it can be okay, but like especially if someone's stumbling through that it's just like, dude, fucking, you had this in the editing bay. You had time to look at this and conclude it was not interesting, you know? The thing I would suggest people look at as like an example of how to do it good is because everyone likes to have an intro or some sort of logo, but if you watch Tom Scott's videos, he starts his videos just talking immediately about the point and he's usually on camera and he always wears a red shirt. His brand is his face on the red shirt. He doesn't need an intro, he doesn't need a logo. He just talks about cool shit and everyone loves him. He's a good boy. So do that. I agree. And he's the only fucking like content every week, YouTuber I can name who does not stretch their videos at all. Like they're always exact. He'll fly to fucking Alaska and only make a three minute video out of it, you know? Oh, right. Okay, yeah, I remember that guy. Yeah, he's good. I was gonna say I always am, this isn't like a major criticism, but people with just like very bad audio quality. That's just like a click off. It's not like I hate them. I'm just like, okay, I'm just not gonna watch this. Well, you can't listen to it. It's not really a pesky. It hurts. I haven't seen a video with bad audio quality in a long time. I have, but it's not just the like clarity of the audio, it's if you have fucking noise in the background. It's the fan noise like it's really loud. If the noise is almost as loud as your voice, then it's like I literally can't listen to that. Yeah, it's just, you know. But I just never, I haven't seen a video like that. Just like. That was trying, I don't know. I have some in mind, but I don't wanna shout them out because I don't wanna be mean. But there was like, just like my hero Trump, instead of answering this question, I'm also gonna answer the question that I wish I was asked. And it's actually, it's the opposite of this. It's what's something that annoys me about like too good, too pro animators. And I will shout this guy out. I don't hate this guy at all, like Holden anime reviews. I don't hate this man. But what is baffling about his videos is the unbelievable over-editing. And it's not like it is distracting visually, how he will just say, he'll talk for like three minutes and animate every single word individually. It's like I have to stop watching because I'm like, I cannot believe you invested the amount of time to go do this. I've never made it through that section of one of his videos before. Neither have I. It's a brick fucking wall. And I don't hate the guy at all. It's just like, that's just like, wow, what is this? All right, this one interests me a lot. Holden, I have no hatred for you. Gypsy asks, oh, and Davoo's answer to that was complacency. Gypsy asks, what's the worst recommendation you've ever given a friend? My little pony. Davoo, fly across the country to come live with me. I'll totally make vlogs in the big day. Davoo might talk shit about that, but he grew. He grew, that was a good experience for him to have. I just thought that'd be a really funny answer. Unfortunately, he's not in the call. I hope he's laughing his ass off if he's listening still. Well, it's editance of laughs after this. Yeah. Shit. I only give great advice. I don't know. Well, it's a recommendation. So it could just be like a show you told somebody to watch and they absolutely hated it. I've given a few bad recommendations like that before. Just where I didn't know about it. I don't often recommend things to people unless I know that it's their sort of thing. Yeah. But maybe as a kid? So I guess I haven't really... Well, as a kid, I don't give a shit about stuff. Yeah, I'm really thinking back and I have pretty much stopped giving a shit what other people do just in all aspects of life. As long as it's not causing me a problem, I'm just too busy to worry about anyone or like go figure out your life on your own. Go watch whatever anime you want. It's funny hearing you guys say this stuff because I'm someone who is constantly recommending things to everyone always, not just shows, but all I do is try to counsel other people on how to run their lives. And I don't know why it's a compulsion of mine. I think it's based on my name because my name Conrad, it means honest counselor. And I've known that since I was a little kid and tried to live up to it. Sounds like a con to me. So all I do is try to counsel people on how to run their lives. And usually I give good advice. Most people tell me I generally give good advice, but sometimes I've given advice that has not led people to a happier life. Sure. I mean, I'm thinking like my channel consists of a lot of recommendations these days like recommending that Takagi-san anime that just comes to mind, but that's great and everyone should read it. I don't know. When it comes to like YouTube stuff, I recommend things that I like and I explain why I like them. But I don't know how I can tell whether somebody was like misinformed unless they tell me. Like, I don't feel like people were misinformed and they actually didn't like it based on what I said in my video. By the way, this is the worst recommendation you've ever given a friend, not just random strangers. Yeah, well, yeah. I mean, I guess I could, I know this is ridiculous for me to bring up, but like I tried, because I love it so much, I tried to get my friends to watch Girl and Login with me in college. And like, God, they were just not into it. They just did not give me shit. I've never like tried to like a wingman for somebody and then the girl turned out to be shit or like told someone to pursue a relationship or like a lifestyle choice that just didn't work out for them. The ones who always fucked up in those choices, in those situations, we're the friends though. Like they didn't just go hard enough on whatever it was that I was demanding that they do. Tom, you have anything like this? You know, like they fucked it up. Or do you, if you're still listening? I don't talk to people in real life, so this never happens. Oh, Jesus. Our need side is coming up. Yeah, that's also an aspect of me. Like, I'm never really the one giving recommendations because I'm not the one talking to people. I felt like when I asked that question, if anybody had one, it would come to mind immediately. Like, that's the kind of, I think that guy was hoping for a real juicy story, but fortunately none of that. We're all anti-social fucking peasants that just lock ourselves in our rooms and make YouTube videos, so. Indeed. Let me throw out this question from the Twitter here, from at this dorky guy. Oh, great name, dude. It's guys, have any opinions on game length? Does anyone feel like you're owed, when you buy a $60 game, where did this question come from? This is Twitter, this is just Twitter. Does anyone feel like they're owed a certain amount of time when they buy a game of a certain price? I hope the game is as short as possible. Even when you pay like $60 bucks for it? I won't pay $60 for a video game. Like, that's just being idiot. Just like Monkey Island told us not to, way back in the day. I live by that every day. You know what I'm talking about? You know the reference? I don't like paying money. So, when a game is more than 20 bucks, 20 pounds, I'm sort of like, eh, I really, really need to, I need a reason to play this, you know. I did, yeah. It's too much, too much. $60, never. Doesn't matter if it's like a million hours of the exactly my favorite game ever. I don't want to spend that money. So, I mean, how much was, I think I got Dark Souls on sale. I think that's the thing. When it's on sale, I don't, I don't know. I'm not thinking of, I can't really think of the money and the length because Dark Souls I've played over and over and over and over again. So, it has a lot of length in it, kind of. And there's lots of different ways to go about playing the game. So, I guess what I, what does game length mean? The amount of time it takes to get 100%? It's basically asking, do you think that a game has to be long in order for it to justify how much you paid for it? I think, I think, I mean, it depends on the length, obviously. But I think a game feels more cool when you, it takes, you know, more than an hour, more than a couple hours, more than a day. I, on the other hand, if it takes me more than two days then I don't care enough to finish it. Like it's never gonna happen. I think it definitely depends on the game and the mechanics. Like I think every game has a set of mechanics. I think they all have a certain amount of shelf life. So, I think it totally depends on the game. Like, the whole thing is- I'm really just trying to think of, of like really short games. Cause I generally don't like the idea of really short games. It just feels wrong for me to- Yeah, like I feel like they're- To pay money for something that I'm done with. If it's a game I want to play over and over again, like down low. How short is too short for you to, can like... I mean, it depends on the price and probably like the platform and shit. But it's not unreasonable to expect a certain amount of game length from a game. It's just a question of what that length is. I will say Metal Gear Solid Ground Zeroes definitely did not feel like enough meat for what I paid for it. Well, that's funny. Cause like that game really is incredibly complex and has a lot, tons of details. Like in this one level, it is one level game. And it takes like an hour to beat. But then you can replay it like collect shit. So like, that's an interesting question. Is it worth $60? Definitely not. Which is why they almost immediately reduced the price cause they were ashamed of themselves. But I think I did buy it for $60. It was only $40 when it came out in its defense. Oh really? But it was not worth $40. Davoo says he wants RPGs to become smaller and shorter and more about the details of a world than the scale of it. He also insists that he's got a lot of length in him. Oh, does that mean you have a big cock in you right now? Is that what you're trying to say to me? Yo, that's gay dude, that's gay. I, I for one, like, I can remember, I can't, unfortunately, I can remember the last time I played paid $60 for a game. What I cannot remember is the last time that I paid $60 for a game and then played it before it was dramatically reduced in price. So, in other words, I see no reason for me to ever buy a game at full price because there's no fucking chance I'm gonna play it before it goes down in price. That sounds like a personal problem, yeah. I feel so, like, confused about, I mean it's not like don't understand the question, it's just hard to think about price and enjoyability of a game based on the length at the same time. So, I, like, We could do a whole podcast on this. I agree, but the guy's question was specifically, like, guys, have any opinions on game length? And I do have an opinion on it, which isn't like a real criticism, but it's that, so this is another great chance for me to shout out my favorite game of the year, Hollow Knight, which is a 10 out of 10 experience with free DLC coming out on Halloween after the first free DLC thing. And the amazing thing about that game is it is $15 fucking dollars. And it's on Steam, it's gonna be on Switch at some point soon. I'm just shouting all this to play Hollow Knight, it's fucking incredible. I do plan on playing it very soon. Excellent. And like that game is, it's a big Metroidvania and it's got lots of content, just like if you wanna beat it through the first time, but it's got that classic thing I love about old Metroidvania, like, Egovania is the word I was looking for, where it's got like true ending shit and all these secrets you can find that like add to the gameplay styles you can do in the richest of the world. Like it's got so much content packed in it for a $15 price tag that I think you can make some sort of relatively objective standard for like amount of content available and quality of content versus price of the game. Based on that, it's an unbelievable deal. I definitely think that that judgment can be made. Like I totally understand people saying like I'm not gonna pay $60 for a five hour game. But for me, it's like I won't do either one. Like I will not pay $60 for a game, period. Like I don't care if it has 10,000 hours in it because I won't play a game that's more than 15 hours long, or 20 hours or so. Like DeVu says in the comments, a story-based game I want the length to reflect the narrative. Mechanic-centric game, if I can't get at least 50 hours of fun from it, I feel I've wasted not only my money, but also my time. It's a mechanic-centric game which is the only kind of game I play. I don't want it to last more than two days. I wanna explore the mechanic and then go cool, I get it. I just played Oden Sphere, which is five different narrative tracks. And you play as a different character in each of the five, but you play through the same levels. And I beat the first character's narrative in about eight hours and I felt satisfied. And when I got to the second character and realized I had to play through the same levels, I went, oh, well I beat the game. Like it's over, I did it, cool. I only paid $30 for this because I waited years before buying it or however long it took before the price went down on this game. So I felt like I got what I wanted, which was a video game to play for a couple days while listening to podcasts. I love what Davoo's framing this though, because people sometimes are annoyed at RPGs being so long, but that's just because you really are getting such a large amount of specifically story and it's framed as such. Well, I mean, a lot of the time it's that there's a lot of game between the story parts that sort of padded out like in a bad RPG. I mean, you can beat a Final Fantasy VII in like 30 hours if you really hustle. You can do that. That's still a long time. Yeah, that's why I never beat RPGs is because at some point, there's usually a point around the middle of an RPG where it becomes more about the combat than the story because essentially, RPG games are too big for their stories most of the time. We're like, at some point, it gets into the third act and we're like, okay, we know who the villain is. We have to kind of get there. And that's when it gets a bit more repetitive. The battles get longer. There starts being more and more fighting. But that's where I'm like, I don't care anymore. At the end, you've mastered the combat and you now are getting an excuse to use your mastery. You have to use it on a thousand enemies though. I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. It's not the amount of the combat that's the problem. It's when the combat system isn't as fun as the amount of combat that's you. And something like Super Mario RPG where it's like timing-based, each battle can be really skill-based. You can try hard and you can win and you can dodge all the damage and stuff. But in a generic bare bones, like everyone's a gay elf and they're wizards and they go, we're anime characters. And the combat is the worst thing of all time. And it's the same length, I hate it. Okay, that's fair. Okay. Even if the story's okay. One last question before we fucking head out of here. Kenneth Craley asks, what type of content does YouTube need more of? My answer to that is irreverent shit. Like what I want less of is like cultural commentating, analysis, reviews, like, or people just like responding to each other. I want more stuff that's just creative and weird and funny and like that I won't get anywhere else, you know? We need more Maxima stores in the world. Maxima store is a good example. Potion seller, the guy who did that, like, or GMCFO show, like stuff like that where it's just like, you know, the YouTube channel has an identity. It's one type of content, but it's like something that is wholly unique to themselves and it's not beholden to trying to be popular on YouTube. It just is a good idea, you know? Well, you know, in response to the specific question, the answer might be nothing and YouTube needs to die because it's getting too corporate and it's not supportive of this kind of content. I just think, I'm thinking video content engine. Yeah, if you ask me what's the ideal situation, we all end up skating from YouTube and everyone becomes way weirder because we're not trying to pursue algorithmic success anymore, you know? One of my favorite things about YouTube is how you can, like, up to now, you've been able to just say the word fuck and it didn't matter. You can see it at any time in any video. That's one of the greatest things about the entire fucking platform. Yep, yep, yep. And now it is gone. It is gone, yeah. Hashtag demonetized. Tom Hippo, you guys got. Hashtag exploded. I kind of agree with you, Digi. I think there just needs to be more stuff on YouTube and in the web in general, that's less about trying to game the system to make money and to just make cool shit. I think we had that for a while. I think early YouTube was all about that because there was no financial incentive in the mix at all, you know? And I remember that, that's where I found M.strange and all this and I think this stuff's fucking fantastic and it wasn't about make money, it was just like cool, crazy shit. We need more, just, yeah, just like esoteric, bizarre out there, just like, I want to make this because I want it to exist, not because I want to make a paycheck. Yeah, man. Now go to my Patreon and give me money. So I could do that. Davoo says he needs more of the channels that he's been trying to catch up on to announce one-year hiatuses. Well, there you go. Yeah, I was gonna say, if YouTube is only the really good shit, there will just be less, it'll result in less people being able to make it on YouTube, but I think that would be better because some people just don't have any good ideas. The field is a bit crowded now. Though I wonder if it would put us in a situation where the people on the top just stay there, kind of like the Stephen Colbert channels and whatnot are just like cementing their place at the top echelons that YouTube has right now. What I expect to happen over the next few years if this kind of shit keeps happening is that gradually a lot of the YouTubers on like several hundred thousand subs or even million sub levels will start vacating the site and all the industry shit will still be there, but the audience wants those other guys. Like the audience is here for the homegrown YouTube content. Once that shit leaves, there's not gonna be enough people watching the Colbert shit on YouTube. Got it, honey, that happens. That's my hope too. Either it'll cause YouTube to shrink and become just Netflix 2.0, which at some point will just mean Netflix will buy it and completely change it. Or like, you know, wait, was there an or? Or they'll just die. Yeah, that's the other one. I think they will become purely corporatized in time. I think that's what they were in in time. They're already working, I mean, they have YouTube TV. That's exactly what they're already on their way to do. Yeah, and for what it's worth, I don't even blame YouTube entirely for this because like they're too big. It was too good of a service for us, I think. Like I think this idea of fully democratized content as beautiful as it was was doomed to fail because we don't have the server space for every fuck off to make videos, you know? Like in the world at this point. We need this post scarcity society to come along and fix that, but like. It's interesting, cause like there's a new website, BitChute, I don't know if anyone's heard of that site. Yeah, but it's a new YouTube competitor and it's peer-to-peer, so it's all torrent based. But you host your videos and then you download torrents and that's how you, so they don't have any server space to worry about cause it's all peer-to-peer. I can easily see that being part of the future, you know? Like I can see that. How interesting. Yeah, I was talking about that in the comments or in the chat earlier about how the Ethereum network, I don't know if you guys know anything about that. It's like a project right now that's like, I don't know much about it. I wanted to do more research into it, but the general idea is that it's a peer-to-peer internet. So the entire network basically is designed to replace the web as it is now and it's all decentralized and peer-to-peer. 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