 Welcome to the Future Trends Forum. Now is our time to start this week's session. I'm glad to see you all here today. We have an unusual and very exciting project with some great guests. I'm really looking forward to our conversation. What I'd like to introduce to all of you is a program called the 100 Year Project. It's a new way of thinking about educational technology. The idea is to look back in the past from what we've learned from the history of educational technology and extrapolate forward to see all told 100 years of where educational technology has gone and where it might take us. In order to do that, in order to have that conversation, I'd like to bring on board three of its leaders. So let me just begin by moving from left to right. We're starting off with our good friend Lev Gommick. And let's see if he is here right now. Hello, Lev. Hey, Brian. Great to be with you. Good to see you, sir. Very good to see you. And congratulations on the announcement this morning of the Arizona State University's chatGPT program. Congratulations. Just another day in the life of Arizona State University. It is. You guys are tremendous. So, Lev, we'd like to ask people to introduce themselves in the form in an unusual way. Instead of the academic obituary fashion describing what you've done, we ask you to say, what are you working on for the next year? So, Lev, just tell us, what's coming up for you? What are the big projects and the big ideas for the next year and for you? Well, thanks, Brian, first of all. And hi, everybody. You may have stolen one of my headlines for what I've been working on. That is All Things AI at ASU, sort of the spirit of the Doug Engelbar tradition. We think of it as very much about augmenting, you know, human intelligence and all things in that journey. And today, as Brian shared, we made, I think, a really fun and exciting new announcement with a collaboration on blueprinting that future with Open AI. And, you know, looking forward to our journey and hopefully inviting you all to be part of that as well. Secondly, you know, Brian, things that we are working on that I am, you know, definitely spending time and cycles on is figuring out, you know, how to further the work that we're doing in XR. And specifically in our VR work, some folks may have heard of our Dreamscape Learn initiative, which is a terrific collaboration. And it is going deeper and faster. In many disciplines, we started with biology, now we're doing chemistry, space science, art history. I mean, that's fabulous work. And the other piece that I'm personally spending quite a bit of time on and would love to come back another time to chat with you all, but perhaps if some of you are going to join us for the 100-year project, we've talked also about the ways in which we create an ecosystem of platform technologies to support transferring of credits, digital credits, for not only things like the typical stuff that you would think is, which is to say courses, but all evidence of learning that goes on. And we have a project called the Trusted Learner Network, which starts with learner sovereignty in terms of owning their own learning journey and have a fabulous international collaboration on that. So those are just three things that are keeping me busy. Well, those are immense things. I'm just delighted to hear about them. And then, yes, I would love to bring you back to talk about the network. That would be terrific. And I've got to ask because outside here is about 25 degrees. What's the weather like there? It's relatively chilly. It's sort of mid-60s, but if you give me a... But such as a winter chill, you can sort of see I'm wearing my... Yeah, it's only 68 degrees. And so, yes, it's such as it is here, as you know. And one of the reasons we're hosting the 100-year project in Scottsdale at the end of February is that elsewhere in the country, it's typically not as nice weather. Quite true. Quite true. Well, I'm delighted you could join us, Lev. We've been looking forward to this. Let me bring on stage your colleagues, your co-conspirators. And let's bring them on for their conversation as well. So, Stephanie, hello. Hello, how are you? Oh, excellent, excellent. Very good to see you. And where are you today? I'm in Scottsdale, Arizona today, where it's 61 degrees. I see there's a theme coming up here. There's a theme. Well, I'm so glad you could join us. And I'm so happy with all the work you've been doing with shaping EDU. Along those lines, let me ask the same question I've put to Lev. What are you going to be working on for the next year? The 100-year project is a huge part of what I will be working on. I also have a couple of other projects that may be of interest to this group. One is called Platosium, and it's about playful pedagogy and the importance of how it addresses mental health crisis, loneliness crisis, teacher retention, and student retention. So that's, yeah, we're doing an event for that in LA. Next month, and then we have obviously the 100-year project design summit coming up here in Scottsdale. And then we have another event later in the year that we're working on with the Swedish American Chamber of Commerce to pull the Amadalan concept that they've developed since 1968, where the country basically shuts down for a week. And academia, industry, and government come together to address Sweden's biggest challenges. So we are taking that concept as inspiration and developing Amadalan Arizona. Oh, wow. I wouldn't know about that. I've never put Sweden and Arizona together, but that's a great idea. They are very inspirational folks, and it's no coincidence that they are one of the happiest countries in the world, given the sense of hope and agency that a system like this brings. Oh, it's a great country. It's a great country. Well, it sounds like you're going to be busy as heck. You are a one-woman army. I'm so glad to hear it. And maybe that Swedish inspired project, maybe we could bring you back to talk about it later on. Absolutely. Excellent. Well, let me add one more member to your trica. Let me bring the ringleader on stage. And let me add him to the mix. We have Joe Lambert. Hello, sir. What do you know? Brian and Joe, we're back together again. It's great to be here. Since you've already asked the question, I'll answer it. I'm keeping my little nonprofit going. 2023 was a challenge here for my nonprofit. But we're very excited about one thing we're working on, which is the next International Digital Storytelling Conference. We'll leave the Northern Hemisphere where it's been since 2006 and go to Belam, Brazil, because the COP28 will be in Belam. And so, you know, we're trying to connect. I actually take it back to COP30, right? COP30 and 28 just happened. And so we're trying to link our work in digital storytelling to some of these big pressing issues around climate change and around, you know, what we're going to be doing to deal with the impact of climate change in all the contexts. You'll see that that theme will be more front and center with Story Center in the coming year, and it's front and center in the 100 years project. So let's transition to talk a little bit about that. Well, I can't wait to hear about that. I'll just say it's a super pleasure for me to have gotten to work with Stephanie and Lev over the last year on this project, and I'm deeply thankful. And Stephanie and I are both excited to hear, Lev, you know, give us the background on this. So I'll turn it over to you, Brian. Well, it's great to see you, and I'm glad all of you could make the time. And I have a personal connection with you. Lev is someone that I've worked with off and on back when he was in Ohio as well as in Arizona. Stephanie with Shaping EDU and Joe is co-founder of the Digital Storytelling Movement. So three very, very special people. Let me ask, by the way, if you're new to the forum, what I'm going to do is I'm going to ask our guest a couple of questions to get things rolling. But then I'd like to turn it over to you all with your questions and comments. So as Lev and as Stephanie and as Joe speak about their work and show you a bit of it, think about what you'd like to know more of and hit the chat box more, but also get ready to hit the Q&A box. And of course, if you'd like to join us on stage, just hit the raised hand button. My first question is, why a 100-year project? What are you hoping to accomplish for this framing that we don't already have? Brian, maybe I can start. And again, I think it's meant to be intentionally provocative. I mean, the whole idea of 100 years is obviously a different arc and a different framing of the times where more times than not, most of us including myself have a hard time thinking beyond the sort of tyranny of the urgent or the things sucking the air out of the room on a particular ed tech technology and or set of initiatives. So this is a bit of an invitation to the privilege of thinking in much longer horizons than is typically afforded. And as Stephanie shared, and this is very much, and Joe shared as well, very much a design focus activity. The way we sort of started it, Brian, was if you sort of look to some of the very, very early activities that happened in our community, it's about 50 years ago that, you know, we started to see the conversations that now are some almost 60 years ago in the broader technology space, begin to find their intersections, you know, inside what we now understand as the sort of educational technology space. There's some terrific archives, you know, that have been written, open archives that have been written about those early days. And certainly, you know, what we did and again under Joe's fabulous facilitation, you know, we had a gathering at first design session, actually in beautiful New Mexico, near Santa Fe in a gorgeous, fantastic setting. And we really kind of did the retrospect of what has happened over the last 50 years. And I've already sort of invoked the Doug Engelbart framing of it, because of course that was 1969. And obviously that's more than 50 years ago, but when we took a look at all the kinds of technologies and as it were in sort of inspirations for the art of the possible, we found ourselves working around and massaging many of those themes and carrying them out to approximately the present time. And then again, very much organically from the 25 or so folks who were part of that, and I've already put in the chat the website of the 100 year project that you can definitely take a look at. You know, we began sort of laying out and putting together opportunities for thinking for the next 50 years and not just sort of again for like what has to happen next week, next month, next quarter, next year even to try to think about the ways in which we as humans interested in education can leverage technology to achieve more greater humanity, better understanding of our relationship to each other and to the earth and to the things that matter along the way. And again, I think Joe is the consummate's storyteller. He has created a kind of an arc of conversations to try to advance that work and I know he's going to share more about that. Thank you, Beth. Thank you. Lev, Stephanie, do you want to add more to Lev's creative introduction? Sure, yeah. I think that it's interesting to look at. Last year was the 100th anniversary of technology in the classroom. So that's the first recorded instance of a radio being brought into a classroom to enhance the experience. So here we are 100 years later. We look around our classrooms. They look very similar to what they did back then. So what is the experience going to be for the learner and how do we give an agency in that process over the next 50 years? We have to be very intentional about it and be proactive rather than reactive and getting the right people in the room to have that conversation is what this event's all about. Great. Taking us back to radio. That's excellent. The thing I would add is that I think some of us, I'm about 40 years into my career, some of us kind of see this 40-50-year period as the big generational shift and I've got a 21-year-old undergraduate daughter at the University of Puget Sound and Biology and I'm sort of imagining her as me 50 years from now. Basically, she was born when I was 47 so it's almost like who would this person be and what will they have to journey through and what are we doing to prepare? So the approach we took after a lot of discussion was to provide people with a postcard from characters who were existing in 2074 who actually are the elders of that period, maybe deeply integrated with the younger generations underneath when they're working with, but we sort of hear them say, when did it have been great if? Back in the 2020s when you were dealing with all those things, you thought about this or you dealt with that or you prepared us for things like endless climate-related crises that all of us are seeing right now and continue to see. What are we doing in our educational institutions to make that possible? So the theory of the design, the conference and the approach that will be taken is we'll have a setup where we'll start with young people and their perspective then we'll move to a kind of middle-generation subject matter experts framing these big emergent trends of AI and automation and virtuality through AI or XR and the idea then is that there will be working sessions where people will be thinking about these narratives from the future I call them postcards from the future and drawing out what are some of the critical issues in research, what are the critical issues in policy, what are the kinds of things we'll do in our curriculum and certainly about the context in which education so the small groups will work toward that with the idea that we're moving toward an outcome that we hope will be a solid report but also a series of tools not exactly in the organization of a tool box but everybody in our retreat at Ghost Ranch last year said we need to keep innovating ideas about what you can do to prep for the massive changes that we're expecting and so there will be some I'm working on a game there'll be things like a game there'll be things like how do you tell stories from the future and that's the kind of thing we want people to walk away we are also going to ritualize the experience where they're going to bring their ancestors in at the beginning and exit with a commitment to change something in their lives and in their professional environment wow this sounds like a fantastic event and by the way just to look ahead from the forum perspective first of all the bottom left of the screen you should see a tan colored button that will take you 100 year project webpage but also we're going to do a live session from the event itself about a month from now which I'm really looking forward to this sounds like as your futurist here I'm just delighted by this and I'm wondering Joe do you want to give us a try of showing a couple of these short stories my hope was that these stories would give people a little bit of an idea of how this would work Joe maybe you can tell us a little overview of that we'll do it as people have the idea each of what will be 10 scenarios take characters from around the planet who are facing educational dilemmas in this case how campuses will react when a large number of refugees caused by some environmental disaster are suddenly needing to be integrated into campus life so in some ways the campus will become one of the institutions for climate refugees to sustain themselves we note that some of the institutions are ready with their integration into communities to handle that but many institutions won't be ready and we're already seeing these sort of situations with fires and disasters I heard University of Oregon is in the middle of an ice crisis and inevitably that's one of the ideas but we then talk into the cultural issues of AI we talk about the way that digital addiction will become something that many people will suffer even as we're giving people these tools we're realizing people are getting lost inside some of these places we talk about the impact of automation and how many many many professions will be affected and what will that do to people and how many other organizations are going to go through this massive reorganization of labor in the mid-century all of these things are speculated about by people like Kim Stanley Robinson and the futurists in the science fiction world but we're trying to say now these are pretty real likelihoods and how do these stories stir up something in a way to illustrate it and if we had to pay for the illustrations it would have been a $100,000 project we used mid-journey AI to generate the visual material so it's also from a digital storytelling standpoint a kind of new mechanism for doing scenario storytelling and this is something I did with the Institute for the Future for several years back in the late 90s where we were telling stories into the future and trying to come up with the illustration mid-journey and meta amazing what it can help you create and I don't think it's art but it's part of the process of our doing new kinds of work that's a great way of putting it but why don't we take two minutes and everybody take a look at this video I think we come back you know of course the one I shared was the longest of all of them but I think hopefully people get a taste I think it's kind of clear what these are intended to do I think what's going to be fascinating is how people work through these stories toward their own vision of what they would imagine would change in their own work and the kinds of issues that we expect to address in depth at the conference I think this is a great example I mean I love the way that you've used all the AI art including the autonomous quad buggies which is great I loved seeing the people which I know is essential to any good story and I loved hearing the voice of the narrator which really brought that home in a very intimate way I'm just curious before we go further what the rest of you will have thought about that story and again if you want to hit the Q&A box or if you want to raise your hand and join us on stage we can fit a few more people Roxanne Riskin our good friend says in the chat that the ease of using AI to generate multimedia removes a large barrier of time and needing to hire expert designers too Chris Jones says this is inspirational and here's a question for the three of you a quick question and then Krieger asks can you share out this video I can envision a couple of different class topics and projects that would be really helpful Leymann is waving his head I said maybe after after the event we'll have some feedback from the participants in the room and be able to potentially enhance it a bit so we are also looking forward to creating a montage out of that as well and so I concur with Stephanie I was not trying to do something that was ambivalent I was just thanks Stephanie I agree with you we invite you all to if you're interested to as Stephanie has offered in the chat be in touch Brian obviously we're looking forward to you joining us and participating and through your network we're looking forward to getting to the goals that we're already anticipating some that we want to be serendipitously open to what might have unfold but there will definitely be some products that we anticipate to frame this 50 year horizon through the scenarios that through the game framework that we hope people will be able to take away with them and use in their own context the level of education museum settings the list of people who are part of our first design session as well as the second design session come from a fairly diverse set of education and we've done our level best to curate the participation so it is an invitational and so in this case you are all friends of Brian and that's probably good enough for us to choose to join us at the event live just to say that you're friends of Brian Alexander and you're well on your way but it's only going to be about 150 people it's not meant to be a massive gathering because we actually want to continue to do work together get to know each other better learn from each other and use the creative storytelling framework as release the vehicle for engaging what we hope will be deeper conversation and there are relatively few presentations as part of this work Excellent, excellent all around just want to share a couple of quick thoughts you have obviously you have fans and supporters in the audience today Chris Jones echoed the call for this to be available so you can see that there's definite interest in it Karen mentioned something really interesting, as a Florida resident having been through various hurricanes I'm very familiar with aspects of this as to how no one can predict all of that John Hollenbeck points out an interesting point he says it's distressing to think we'll be in classrooms and dormitories classrooms and pedagogy so that's a long-term one and then Lisa says one of the most depressing things I've seen so I recommended to her my most recent book more depression Brian one thing that I want to add is that one of the deliverables from this design summit will be part of this report which will be free and accessible to all who don't have the resources that we necessarily have we're also creating a manifesto and it's really a call to action and we're designing that creating that throughout the design summit and we will definitely share that out as part of the report which will be a multimedia report so we're looking forward to that great, excellent, excellent I'm really glad to hear that we have another question from Chris and this is like a perfect bridge transition question what are the other scenarios in this set and I'm sure Joe says I'm glad you asked you know I go down another species communication which you know I just saw an article about a 20 minute conversation with a whale and some scientists so you know we're projecting out but a lot's going on you know we have again I mentioned digital addiction kind of mental health caused by automation crisis you know we've spread these stories around you know the different kind of people that we have in our network so the voice overs are done by a lot of my friends and colleagues but there's a piece about physical enhancement and competition and the degree to which you know things like gender fluidity and identity will be built into enhancement and non enhancement organic Olympics as opposed to the enhanced Olympics the idea those ideas are you know one of the stories what am I leaving out you know remember my nine things in the play no I mean you know genetically modified teaching in a post-truth era is about an imagined character at a small campus called New Albion who is greatly limited and it's sort of imagine what would happen if DeSantis's approach to new college in Florida was executed across the country you know who would be the sort of surviving academics trying to find the right language and in this case a way to talk about evolution without getting fired so there are things that I would say fall into the political you know realm because we know the politics of democracy and autocracy are going to be critical in this next and any of us that thinks we'll get through 2024 without having to confront that I mean some of us think that those are immediate issues of how educators can function under an autocratic situation so again I think you guys get the idea we didn't cover them all and what we want to do is encourage people to make their own and this is something we'll you know evolve a way to assist people and I hope a little guide is one of the things that can come out of this we've talked about a little paint by numbers template for people to write into a scenario either a decade ahead or two decades ahead or in this case five decades ahead so that's another tool we would imagine coming out of this process Excellent I thought it was terrific also it was great and I would add did you mention the permaculture scenario I didn't you know I have a colleague here who's an Australian who does youth work and I imagine her as performing artist turn media artist turn permaculture expert teaching the three sisters the squash, corn makes you know bean makes as a kind of late 21st century performance art permaculture as performance art so they again is a little bit of what we're trying to imagine but I think all of everybody here could tell a story like that and it might be useful for a planning process like this one I think so friends I've got more questions but I want to hear more from all of you too what would you like to what else would you like to see in these kinds of stories what else would you like to know about how we were made and how is this helping you think about education technology in this framing so again just use the chat box and of course the Q&A box as you've just seen and you can join us on stage this is a this panel here is one of those panels which disproves the myth that you have to have a beard in order to be on the forum so you can have one question from John Hollandeck or actually a theme that he's been asking which is about pedagogical changes and I'm curious in your envisioning of the next 50 years what are some of the pedagogical transformations that three of you have been thinking about or were they heard from other people involved in this project certainly in the first design session one of the themes that seemed to be tracking 50 years ago forward was a general trend towards making real the long time aspiration and promise of a learner centered set of frameworks and I think the sort of the autonomous or sovereign learner interesting because I think a part of that was reflected by the people who were in the room themselves are fairly sovereign autonomous didactic learners themselves sort of felt like that that was one of the themes that might well carry on into this next design session and again I would not be sort of prognosticating but certainly if the AI journey continues to unfold one could well imagine relationships to the machine in a way that are a little bit different than just the dystopian views that certainly are important again in sort of black swan scenarios but perhaps there are also more optimistic if not dystopian scenarios continue to support autonomous sovereign learning pieces that's one theme that just in quick response Brian to the question I'm sure Stephanie or Joe may have reflections as well please thank you Joe go ahead Joe I mean I think this is the essential idea of inventing we don't really think we're prognosticating the future we're not saying what's going to happen we're saying part of our role now is to invent context that respond to trends and that we realize things like the autonomous learner and the sovereign learner are things that we've already seen just coming out of the pandemic the shifts and so what more and you know I have to say Arizona State University is perhaps the most interesting campus in the country right now because of its commitment and I see it in the field of the arts where I come from to putting innovative people in the same laboratory meaning the whole campus is a laboratory and I think more campuses need to follow that lead of making it you know we overuse the world innovation but a place where invention is inherent it's like we have a problem let's address it with new ideas with new visions and yes I would hope like Lev says they're more utopian a lot of us come from the tradition of techno utopian perspective and we haven't given up we're still trying to use these tools for the best uses to make the best humans to create a healthy, safe diverse you know functioning planet sustainable planet so you know ASU's role in this is critical and so I hope all of you take a look at what we do but also at the other things that are happening with shaping EDU with many of the different institutes and organizations that are there of which you know I've had the pleasure to work with several of them but I'm learning new things about that campus all the time and I would add that one of the critical components of this design summit is that we are co-creating the future together we've created a forum and an environment for people to feel like they have a method of contributing to what the future is not that it's happening to them but they are actually co-designing it with us so I think that's a really critical piece of this having that sense of agency in the future and to the point about the future being some of these scenarios being a little depressing I think that's where we get to put a different hat on and say okay it doesn't have to be this way how do we prevent this from happening or how do we proactively deal with it if it's inevitably going to happen together and we're not alone in this process we have this community which we will convene repeatedly over the next 50 years to pro-create this together Stephanie I need to figure out how to clone you and bring you to campuses all over the world if you figure that out let me know working on it that's going to be another story we have more chatter in the chat box appropriately and people have pointed out a Star Trek school that appeals to them some calls interdisciplinarity and some calls for a type of teaching that I've always mispronounced which I think is hudugaji and see Karen has shared some about that which is very good and again let me just say if there's any right everybody for questions for this process please put them in the Q&A box or raise your hand we have some more comments about Carolyn, I think this is Carolyn of JPL who says that she doesn't see instructors going away so that part of the that labor aspect is still being there question is how they get to teach and what they get to work and the role are they more navigators guiding students through the process that the students have more agency in determining what that path is and the role of educators will change and we have to be ready for that indeed I agree thinking about this, let me ask this from a different angle when you have all these stories together and you also have the other features you have the tools, you have the templates you have the game or games that are involved where do you go with this next after you've got a report or some different multimedia documents and then you want to put this out into the world do you actually make this an annual event where you keep coming back or is there another way you would like to do this virtual events or for example take advantage of XR that Lev mentioned right away and have an XR based event where do you go with all this all of the above I definitely see this being an annual event and having some virtual components so we can have a more diverse group with different perspectives from around the world as well as more students contributing as well that's something we're really excited about as the students from the next generation service core who are very future focused will be joining us for this event and offering their input I would just say that one of the fun things of the first design session we are designing it into the second session is actually those voices, diverse voices of young learners that are out there and I think that we certainly gleaned insights some of them were provocative and other of them were maybe a bit more predictable you know we certainly by the way I should just also add in addition to young learners that are being invited here at ASU we have an interesting senior living team a project called Mirabella and we've just started to selectively we've asked for two members of the Mirabella community to also participate they are even older than I am and they will be invited to join us and bring wisdom which is perhaps one of the things we might say come with aging or at least I'd like to think so and the learner community that I think again we are trying to be intentional by design for those of you who are interested the Mirabella project is a fantastic initiative of a community living arrangement that is essentially a campus in the campus here in the Tempe area with services for recently seniors whatever that even means by age these days all the way through continuing with care and with fabulous integration into the life of the young learners as well being mentors tutors and as well all those people all essentially getting an ASU ID and being able to participate in the life of the campus so you know it is part of what Joe was sort of saying earlier about ASU it is sort of in the spirit of inventing the future in a way that is definitely not the traditional role of a university and I think that what we'd like to do is get more input for other ideas whether it happens at this organization called ASU or a museum environment or community based learning project coding camps all the things that are going out there to not predetermine what the outcome is kind of what the goal here it is as Stephanie said to be as generative and catalytic as it can be the idea of hosting a regular set of sessions again it will all depend on kind of what the value is as the participants see it but we certainly have had lots and lots of interest and whether it's a regular convening or virtual convening such as the one you're hosting today Brian we'll sort of figure that out and who knows in the future are going to afford us and it was certainly very interested in the in ruled opportunities letting people explore that environment in ways that we hope will be intuitive and fun at the same time well excellent I would just add about the Marabella community most of them are retired educators so we really get that first-hand perspective of what the last 50 years look like from the classroom as a learner and an educator wow that's terrific and you know what we should do is we should have a session there entirely about senior learning well we have a comment or a question that has come in from Noah Geisel who asks are some of the main outcomes for participants less about the exercises of predicting and more about diving into critical thinking and reflection about our roles and responsibilities in the future Stephanie you just started nodding vigorously yes yes I think it's not we're not looking for you know the magic eight mall to help us figure out what's going on we're really looking at okay how do we approach the future with an antifragile mentality and be prepared for whatever is thrown at us and we can do that in this group so we're really cultivating a future-focused mindset and exploring how everyone can in a participatory way design the future together that's what I think futures work does best I definitely agree friends we're coming up to our last five minutes here and I want to make sure that everyone gets a chance to to share their thoughts and to put their questions up we have Geisel LaRose let me just share this because Geisel is a great person I think she's coming to you from New Orleans right now and she says I commend the committee I look forward to participating Geisel does a lot of work with making webinars productive through a website foundation which is terrific so hey Geisel good to meet you in Brian's forum thanks for sending me a note yesterday Geisel is great and that's one of the things we do in the forum is we network like we had some more interest in the Mirabelle community from the chat Roxanne Risken our good friend says that she's heard of Horizon seniors it's the same up in Portland it's the same developer although this one was co-developed with us here at ASU okay people over 75 75 plus she says yeah less about age specific okay and then John that gets even more age specific says old people learning imagine that and then we have some our good friend Mark Corbett Wilson who I think we'll see there and there's another says that this is the first time he's heard of people talking about teaching seniors for a while so I think it's especially important let me ask a question Jones he had it with connectivity so with this afterwards but I'm curious what you think about demographic transition in terms of our shrinking ultimately shrinking human population which will start which will start to happen the last decade of this project as well as the dwindling number of children and the growing number of seniors is that something that you all have been exploring in these stories absolutely and the stat I read last week which was still wrapping my head around it is that less than 10 percent of people involved in higher education by 2030 will be on a campus so that's that does a lot to the landscape of what but also how we prepare the best experience using technology for future learners of all ages is critical to the future success of education as a whole so fewer than 10 percent of the people involved in academic enterprise will actually be on campus and the rest is going to be a combination of distance learning and work from home yes and that's so what does that do to the college experience right the traditional college experience someone goes off and you know what becomes part of a different community and has that kind of immersive experience how do we replicate something like that to best prepare young learners for the future and to be successful in their career path it's a lot to process it's a fantastic thing there is a stat that I'm just blanking on his name sorry Phil Hill was sharing from federal data that about one-third of students right now are taking classes entirely online about one-third are taking some of their classes online and only about one-third are taking all their classes online so consider that a snapshot on the way to what you just described Stephanie if you get a chance if you share where you found that line people are clamoring for it in the chat speaking of clamoring while you're doing that let me start off by asking Lev this question what is the best way for people to keep up with this project and what are the best ways they can get involved can we start with a web page or yeah I think the 100 year which is still highlighted there on the left-hand side of the screen just below our video screens here is the space there is again a kind of set of internal organizational Slack channels that we're working on at some point it may prove that we use that or something else to keep some of the dialogue going for those who are interested in the kind of making of work in terms of the product outputs I'm sure there will be all kinds of interesting ways for folks to learn to engage again hopefully Brian you'll invite us back to a Shindig platform set of conversations over the next period of time and certainly we'll do our best to not abuse the social media world but try to keep folks who are interested informed and invite people to again as Stephanie Joe and I have been saying through the hour to feel this as a genuine invitation to help us co-create the many many different pathways to learning for us here in this community as well as hopefully to do less harm than we have over the last 50 years to the planet by being intentional about the ways in which we leverage our knowledge and the relationships that we have to machines you know in the next 50 years oh thank you I like the way you think left Stephanie what's the best way we can keep up with you can we find you a LinkedIn yes LinkedIn is where I must active so please do look for me there and happy to connect with all of you very good and Joe again we've been having connection difficulties but he put his email in the chat and of course you go to storycenter.org to find his digital story telling nonprofit enterprise right there it's the it's the top of the hour here so I'm afraid I have to wrap things up but I want to thank both of you all three of you for being just terrific guests this is a project that's the deer in my heart and I can't wait to see where it goes thank you both for your time and for your initiative in this project and we'll look forward to talking to you very soon bye now and thanks everybody thank you Brian thank you everyone but don't go away yet friends let me just wrap things up by saying if you'd like to keep talking about this if you want to keep sharing stories and thinking about these ideas we can do this over at the social media enterprise just go to hashtag FTTE and you can see all of my different social media presence is there as well as my blog if you'd like to dive into our previous sessions which includes some on story telling of course the future look at tinyurl.com slash FTF archive if you want to look ahead to our upcoming sessions we do have our follow-up session again in a month along with one on mental health one on college sports and the department of education and still more thank you all for being with us this was an exciting session I look forward to circling back with us in the meantime I hope everybody there is safe and well sharing cold areas I hope you stay warm and I hope you're all very very well we'll see you next Thursday take care bye bye