 Joseph, so you said the plusse chants plusse rest le mem, so in a way you two are kind of on different sides of the equation here You you basically are saying that Things are basically the same as under the Obama administration. Aren't you or maybe you want to flush that out? I think it's important to note to note these continuities The I mean I'm not going to compare Obama in terms of breach of etiquette and nastiness with with with Trump, but There is There is more similarity between them than meets. They are three points Trump keeps threatening allies You to raise defense spending and the threat is you pay up or we move out Now that's exactly the line that Obama had in his Interview with the Atlantic. He said free riders Aggravate me that's Trump you speak and you meant the Europeans we guys We protect you and you don't do enough for yourself Second point recall that it was Obama who drew down troops in Europe to a rock bottom of some 30,000 and So that's part of a general Retrenchment recall third That it was Obama not just Trump who tried to withdraw Forces American forces from all over the world Like Afghanistan then you had to have a surge, but the instinct Is is retrenchment if not retraction? And What is the impetus behind it That's where more continuity comes in one of the Off-repeated lines on the part of President Obama was it's time for a little nation-building at home in other words, let's take those resources and Invest them at home and infrastructure. What have you that's exactly the line that Trump has been pursuing It's a time for spending our wealth not on these wayward and sometimes this loyal allies, but on ourselves and So so you're saying that it's not one more thing. Okay, and now if you shift forward And that's to me the most interesting part of course I think we are now in the middle in a not in a three-year cycle, but in the 11-year cycle Let's call it retrenchment or retraction now as soon a Democrat will win the presidency You'll get the same thing. You'll get protectionism at home you get retraction from abroad and spending money at home and remember that is not a revolutionary thing in American foreign policy Those of if you think back some almost 50 years during the Vietnam War and I'll stop What was the famous line with which McGovern used in his campaign come home America? So that I think is the one line that unites Obama Trump the Democrat who might come in with it's the tradition that goes back 50 years to to McGovern in short and in conclusion We are in a cycle in a new cycle of American foreign policy, which is older than three the three years of Trump And so it's it's the content hasn't changed, but the but the presentation has changed under Trump the presentation Yeah, oh the style of course. I don't want to talk about this. I mean we don't we are familiar with Trump stuff I'm running out of adjectives To describe it, but he's uncouth. He is brutal He's nasty. He treats allies worse than adversaries So we should we go on we don't need to need to go on but and I'll talk about it later when we get to it Of course, what oh what he is doing unlike Obama. That's very important He is destroying the framework of American post-war policy And he's turning an old Non-zero-sum game meaning all of us can win into zero-sum game Right where I will use my power my superior power to screw you and to my gains are your losses