 Yes, I won't be rebroadcasting this on twitch today. Why? Dell decided to start installing a BIOS update and now I can't move my cursor on that machine Which is hilarious because I can actually see the stream you have a couple minutes No, I mean it's frozen. Well, it's while it's installing the BIOS I mean if depending on how long that Remember won't won't affect this stream. Yeah The good day stream The good day stream. Hmm. No, this is not the good day stream. This is the DTS We don't have a good day internet stream you get part of it in the DTS stream But not all of it gotta be a patron to get all of it. We should figure that out Well, when we have our little sit-down meeting that I want to have We get back from from your from your overseas I survive Australia. Oh, when does that happen well? Friday Friday night Yeah, I mean everything in Australia is designed to kill people Including people believe it or not I don't go there fish. I already have my rent on here spreading FUD about Australia It's a lovely place It's arrived Tom is eaten by kangaroo that is not I've been there twice and the only poisonous jellyfish. I thought we're watched up on the beach. Oh Thank you. Everything is poison as an evil there Especially when you go through customs, they almost didn't let me they almost didn't let me leave because the name on a Airline ticket was was not the full my full name. And so it didn't happen. That's how long ago you went you had an airline ticket It's a long time ago teaching Okay, like you don't get like a print out. I got a print out. You mean a boarding pass. Yeah boarding pass Well, it's a ticket to me Ticket to ride on a plane How long ago was it? It was about 10 years 12 Long time ago to who to most people oh Look, I can start the Twitch stream now the bios you were right, Sarah So it was it was sad Roger I've got to finally get to see you in person and then we couldn't like I was being ushered away by a line Remember that the movie. Yeah. Yeah, I remember like that's you know I thought he'd be taller, but no, it was just Roger Now you about as tall as I thought you'd be not as tall as Tom but tall yeah, I don't know I don't know yet. I don't know the worst thing I hate when people say like you look shorter in person. I hate that. Oh How do I feel I don't like it when people say to me Tom you look fatter in person No, I didn't say to me without fail. They say wow you seem so much bigger on the internet Tom. You're so much uglier Okay, well great Glad the internet is out in however many pounds, but all right shall we Talk AI and the Internet of Edge or whatever Shall All right, here we go The Daily Tech news show is brought to you by people like me not outside organizations to learn more go to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Monday, May 7th 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane also in Los Angeles. I'm Lamar Wilson and near Los Angeles our producer Roger Chang. Yes Los Angeles adjacent. We have a lot of Microsoft build news to talk about but let's start with a few tech things you should know Fitbit Versa and Ionic smart watches are getting a quick reply feature to respond with suggested text to messages from the watch If you're also using an Android phone Windows and iOS users will get an update to the Fitbit app That lets you track your menstrual cycle among other things and see predictions based on your data about cycle length and fertility Tech portrait reader a Sean Argo all our Garawa I knew I was gonna mess that up noted that code found inside Instagram's Android app refer to music stickers Which could let you search for and add a song to your post showing Instagram can imitate musically not just this Snapchat Facebook Facebook recently reached licensing deals with major labels Go go release the Android things toolkit for Internet of Things out of preview right in the middle of Microsoft build Several Android things products will hit store shelves by the end of summer including smart speakers from LG Smart display from Lenovo also Volvo announced earlier today that it will add Google Maps assistant and Google Play Store to the census Infotainment system over the next few years that way driver would need to have a phone at all to take advantage of Android Auto And Android Auto is gonna soon support messaging as well as the RCS rich communication service The Center for Internet Security identified an arbitrary code execution vulnerability in 7-zip for versions prior to a point 18.05 the vulnerability is not believed to have been exploited and a patch version of 7-zip was released last week I've been using 7-zip forever. That's good to know. All right. Let's talk a little bit more about the fate of ZTE Mar what do you got ZTE? Well, they submitted an application to the US Commerce Department's Bureau of Industry and Security Asking for a suspension of the ban against US companies selling components and software to it Meanwhile, MediaTek received an export permit from Taiwan to sell components to ZTE ZTE not given up. They're battling the ban in the United States Which would prevent them from getting say chips from Qualcomm as well as Depending on who you talk to possibly could be interpreted to mean they couldn't use Android, which would be a huge deal But at the same time they're turning to Taiwan and Taiwan's like, oh, yeah, you want to send more money into our country great No problem. We'll we'll approve that export permit right now. Yeah, I thought this was um This is a interesting subject because you know as this is a technique show you that this Definitely plays along the tech lines, but it's also could be very political, you know, the the the reason is the trade war rhetoric Exactly so it's a it's a it's a tough, you know, one to cover, you know And and it's up when I really may have a opinion about you know, who's right? Who's wrong is it for a political reason? Is it, you know, did they act if they really broke the law? It's just too harsh, you know, there's so there's so many components of this to think about no pun intended on components So like I'm not yeah, I'm not sure what to think about sell the components of your opinion to ZTE Then I'm fine. Okay. Yeah. No, I mean outside of politics the the way I look at this issue is This could be very difficult for ZTE Because they would not be able to take advantage of certain parts as well as not being able to sell into the United States Which is a growing market for them. It could be bad for certain US parts suppliers because they won't be able to sell their parts To ZTE and possibly Huawei, which is also undergoing a review like this So there are a lot of implications that's like whatever you think about the decisions. These are the impacts the decisions are having I Got some self-driving car news here good and not good drive. AI announced Monday that it will launch level for autonomous car service as A test for more than 10,000 people in a geo fenced area in Frisco, Texas This is north of Dallas. They expect to launch it sometime in July. That's the good news folks in Frisco, Texas Get to try out it's kind of similar to the Las Vegas self-driving bus where it'll be going along Predetermined routes even though it's level 4 it won't be just out on the roads in general Meanwhile sources tell the information that the fatal crash involving an uber autonomous car in Arizona Might have been caused by a faulty setup of the software that is meant to detect objects in the road The way it is described by the information the program has a sensitivity level and I'm sure we're oversimplifying But essentially the idea is you adjust it so that it avoids dangerous objects that would cause the car to crash But it doesn't swerve out of the way when it sees like a paper bag, right? Who adjusts it? Well the programmers right they adjust a sensitivity level adjusted by a driver. I Don't I actually don't know who adjust it, but I assume one would think a driver would not have that kind of yeah No, I wouldn't think so I would think that the engineers at uber set the software to say okay Be this sensitive we figured out that this is the right sensitivity level to make sure you're not wildly Swerving when you see a paper bag, right? You are swerving when you see something solid Well, and the funny thing is like if all cars were autonomous then wildly Swerve like you'd want it to be as sensitive as possible, right? Because all the cars would stop in the same way, but well no actually I mean it could be dangerous if all cars were swerving out of the way of Plastic bags and leaves and like that would cause swerving all over the place So you want to have it set at the right level That says don't swerve out of the way about from things that are inconsequential leaves I think is a really good example But do swerve out of the way when you see something like a person, right? The sources say the setting was off and that is why The car did not slow down Because it was set at a level that saw a human with a bicycle as being something it didn't need to get out Of the way of so it was a wrong setting according to these sources Yeah, this is this is a tough one. I mean, it's made me think like We we want this technology to happen, you know, but we must see these accidents We you know, are we I mean, I'm not trying to be insensitive for the person who will pass But like are we being Like are we jumping to conclusions too fast like all we get we need to we need to trash It's is awful where we have actual drivers who commit more accidents in and a minute Then some of these have done in the lifetimes, you know, and there's arguments that it's so early on in the number of miles that have been Tested with autonomous cars that you really can't compare it to real drivers because it's the number of fatal accidents per miles driven Which with one now for uber makes them more dangerous, but it's just not an effective sample to compare to right but The the question now becomes a why wasn't the safety driver paying attention? You know, it was that a failure which obviously it was But it was there a failure in the way that safety driver was behaving And why was that setting there and and and why why why was that setting off? Was it a failure of the engineers to set it properly or was it the research? Showing that that was the proper setting and it didn't work the way they expect Moving on Spotify now a public company and things are changing with big labels last week Sony which held the largest stake in Spotify announced it had sold roughly half of its shares in the company Which was worth about 750 million dollars today Warner Music Group, which is the second largest holder of Spotify shares announced that it sold 75 percent of its Spotify shares Worth about 400 million dollars Spotify reported its first quarter fourth first Rather quarter earnings last week and is currently valued at 27 billion dollars. So What do you guys think seems to be a bit of a sell-off of big companies that Spotify still has to pay a lot of licensing Realities to yeah, I am both Sony and and time and Warner Music Group have come out with the similar statements of hey guys We we don't generally invest in companies. So once they go IPO we cash out like this is not a lack of faith We want to make our money off Spotify as licensee licensors of the music Not as investors. So I don't think this means they don't want Spotify to succeed They absolutely want Spotify to make a lot of money from Spotify. Yeah I think this was probably the plan all along is invest in Spotify to help it get off the ground Once it's successful enough to IPO sell off the stock and just become a client. Yeah, do you think it's kind of a Just like a moral thing. So they know there's no conflict of interest in being public that they Yeah, can imagine a company being Conflict of interest, uh, no I had not thought about that though I'm gonna guess. No that it's just pure filthy lucre that is in there. Yeah, and there What Warner Warner music said that? Oh, the profits will go to songwriters and and and some musicians So, you know a percentage will was you know, that's me interested see that's how true that is That will be the right thing to do if it was in a moral company That's a good thing to do is to say like hey, this isn't part of your your your revenue share But we we profited so we're gonna include you in that I'd be curious if they're able to say that because that's already in contracts with Artists that they have to legally give them Good point. So this next one is an excellent article. I encourage everybody to read it This is my robocalls. So robocall volume is on the rise in a big way Estimating reaching estimating 3.4 billion in April according to email which collects analyzes calls through its robocall blocking service That's up 900 million a month compared with the year ago Now both the US House of Representatives and the Senate have held hearings on the issue within the last two weeks Federal regulators have also issued new rules back in November that gives phone companies the authority to block certain Robocalls This will definitely touch close to home because you know, we think okay, you know spam calls Which which is definitely a huge part of it, but we're talking about robocalls even from your bank I remember I did something very simple on my banks website loud and it is something and all of a sudden I get you know This calls daily, you know, hey, we're just checking, you know checking and do you want to get a loan? Do you want to do this and it was it was it was a definitely a robocall where I picked up and the please hold and you know again, that's that's something I'm Part of you know and just imagine all the spam ones that we get that people are getting especially in his last year It is you don't want to pick up your phone anymore. It's really insane. Yeah, the robocall situation for me is has become untenable and part of it is what they call neighborhood spoofing where you know my My my area code of my phone has been where I grew up forever And I kind of like it that way and I've always had that same area code but because of that I get lots of calls Multiple calls per day on a daily basis including weekends that look very similar to my phone number to the point where you think Oh, is it my mom or you know, is it somebody I know? I'm you know now hip to the game But it took a while and that is a way that you know, they get people to pick up and it sounds like Even though the government is like no, this is this is not okay. We have a do not call list That's all supposed to work. There are so many ways to circumvent this that It's becoming more and more of an issue and I signed up for new health insurance recently And if you want to get robocalls all day every day about health insurance after you've already chosen your health insurance Oh, yeah, she was health insurance Because it's it's to the point now where sometimes I don't pick up a phone call from a number I don't know because I'm sure it's fake, but it's actually somebody that was trying to get ahold of me Yeah That's where you run into problems It's funny you said that about the neighborhood spoofing because I get a call almost every day from this number that has My same erico from Chicago and my same first three digits So it's maybe like oh is someone you know making a mistake calling me is it someone from that area? And so is I picked up one time and it was it was one. Why did I do that? It was one of those calls and yeah, you can tell them not to call. They'll still call Yeah, that whole sort of like take me off your list politely doesn't work anymore They just hang up on you couple of notes here if it is somebody you work with like your bank You can get them to take you off there your list They have the right to remote call you because you have a business relationship But you should also very easily be able to get them to stop The problem is the people that you don't have a business relationship And who aren't honoring the do not call registry because they don't care because they're scams because they're trying to break the law those are the ones that are flooding you and I don't answer the phone if I don't recognize the number or if I'm not expecting the call I just don't and I figure you know what if it is important. They'll leave a message. I'll call them back Maybe we lose a couple of minutes right but in the end it's not worth it I just don't answer the phone get that many calls anyway. Yeah Hey folks If you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines Dot-com available on the Amazon Echo the Google home and the anchor app Or also just as a good old-fashioned podcast daily tech headlines.com All right, we're gonna talk about the Microsoft build announcements in a few chunks here and try to work our way through this There the two big themes were Azure Internet of Things Edge And AI those were the two big messages that Microsoft was pushing today The one that's getting one of the ones that's getting a lot of attention is Microsoft Launcher for Android Getting Windows timeline Windows timelines the one that promises to let you pick up your work No matter what device you're on so for instance the way it's going to work with Android is in the Windows launcher You can see on timeline. Oh, I was working on my document my report on my Windows device I can pick up right where I left off on my Android touch a button the version of of the office app launches on Android Carry on where I was on iOS Microsoft's edge browser is getting timeline as well because iOS is a little more limited. They don't have a launcher app there but you'll be able to to at least take some advantage of that on iOS and There is an app called your phone or a sister I guess a service might be a better way of saying it that lets users answer text messages share photos and see and respond to notifications from the Windows desktop This is kind of IoT at the edge, although this it's not exactly IoT. This is the edge. They're talking about And and there's a few more APIs to talk about before we really get into IoT edge proper How do you guys feel about this idea of of Microsoft expanding timeline across devices? I? Think it's great at the same time I also wonder how different it is from something like Google Drive where I you know most of my documents and spreadsheets and and Various invoices and all sorts of things live partly because it's free But also because no matter what device I'm on it's very easy to go in and and access a document wherever I left off on my other device so Sure, I I'm not sure what I'm missing, but this doesn't seem that revolutionary to me Well, you're missing the power of office, which frankly is a better product than then Google Drive But if you don't take advantage of those powerful features, you're right. There isn't much difference Yeah, this reminds me and I know you're gonna get deeper into this that this this whole thing reminds me of IBM where you know I I'd be him, you know, re you know reached a point and there's like look Hardware isn't isn't isn't working working with consumers So they backed off and and they they're working on services to power the whole internet So, you know, they're doing, you know, they're still alive and well working in the background And so I'm seeing just reading these announcements that that's kind of what Microsoft wants to do They they you know, we're gonna talk about chat in a minute. They want to power the chat They want to power You know this timeline that things happening in the background so they can have a piece and everything And I think it's a great strategy for them as a business, frankly Yeah, here's a few more of those Azure layer things I kind of think of it this like like you're thinking Lamar like it used to be DOS And then Windows was a layer over DOS and now Microsoft wants to be a layer over operating systems and just work everywhere Microsoft's gonna combine its speech recognition service its text-to-speech API It's customized voice models and translation service into one unified speech service Microsoft also announced a new handwriting Recognition service available across platforms and support for the custom vision service in Azure IoT Edge Something just jumped on me, excuse me DJI announced that Azure is now its preferred cloud computing partner Azure IoT Edge will be integrated Into DJI drones and DJI is launching an SDK for Windows Windows also to our Microsoft also teamed up with call Qualcomm to launch an AI developer kit for on-device inferencing on the Edge and Microsoft announced it will open source the code for IoT Edge Microsoft launched project Brainwave for running deep learning models in Azure and on the Edge in real-time Brainwave is now in preview on Azure and Microsoft promises to bring support for it to the Azure stack in the Azure data box appliance Microsoft also launched in telecode for Visual Studio, which will suggest the next API to use That's gonna be available for C sharp code in Visual Studio 2017 and connect is not dead Microsoft announced project connect for Azure a new package of sensors that combines the connect camera with an onboard Computer and a small package that developers can integrate into their own projects Microsoft says it'll be used in things like robotics Or surveillance applications like security cameras to provide ambient intelligence It has pre-building customized models from the Microsoft Cognitive Services suite and the IoT Edge platform for Edge computing workloads The key takeaway for me from build is that Microsoft's marriage of Azure and Edge is Their their big strategy in machine learning you need the compute resources to train the AI That's your cloud resources. You train it. You need some pretty intense graphics Processors to do that, but once the models are done you can push those models to the Edge into your devices into your embedded systems Hence you have IoT Edge So they're trying to marry up their cloud services and their AI platform to provide all that First example being that Microsoft showed off more Amazon Cortana integration and launched a website for developers interested in receiving news on the integration So you'll be able to tell Amazon open Cortana you'll be able to tell Cortana open the the a word and and they'll both communicate with each other So what I read that one in read the article I was quite quite confused why Amazon would play ball with that It seemed like it would they on the surface seemed like it would be very redundant Oh, yeah So but you know it was made to see that it's gonna be a lot more seamless than you know a lot of people are confused about that Why would why would you do that and you know, I guess if you're Windows computer like everybody has Cortana on it? So I guess there's there's a You know that there's a marriage there that that can happen. It could be beneficial for Amazon But yeah, it seems like it's a nice version of Google, right? I can add my Google Calendar to Amazon voice services, but it's just the calendar with Cortana I don't have to add anything. I it's already there and anything I do in Microsoft systems just works Yeah It would seem to me that Amazon especially as a real leader in the whole voice assistant category at least at this point even way ahead of Google Is it you know, it's not threatening for Cortana to have integration, you know with with a lot of Amazon services It could be at some point. I suppose if the tables were to turn but but yeah, I don't I don't see Why necessarily unless you were just I don't know your Cortana faithful why that would be something that you would need if you already have access to Amazon assistant Okay, I Let me let me explain a little further what I was just saying and see if this this helps change your mind a little You work in Microsoft because your job makes you so your calendar is there your email is there Everything is in there and on your Windows desktop You can tell Cortana to schedule a meeting cancel a meeting send an email read an email all that stuff Okay, but on Amazon Echo you get home and you're like, oh, I wish I could ask the Echo at home to read my calendar Well now you can you just say hey open Cortana and then you do everything you did with Cortana Without having to think about it You don't have to do a bunch of skills and cobbling stuff together. No, that's that's you're right That is absolutely extremely cool As long as you're in the Microsoft there you go, that's yeah, that's the that's the key Yeah, if you're not in there, you may be like why would I go in there? But a lot of people in there because work makes the enterprise. Yeah, yeah Microsoft said they're launching a hundred plus features for their bot framework Microsoft's bot builder SDK There are now 30,000 active bots per month that use Microsoft's conversational AI tools Microsoft bots handle 30 million messages per day for a thousand companies Macy's Asiana Airlines stack overflow list goes on Microsoft's conversational AI tools let you deploy bots on a website that includes Slack Facebook Messenger kick SMS, etc Also Microsoft's language understanding module called Luis will let you convert speech into intense and Microsoft introduced project conversation learner which lets you feed conversations to a machine learning algorithm to learn new dialogue sequences And something called project personality chat that lets you create some small talk interactions Small talk interactions not small talk interactions small talk interactions So you can create the illusion that you're talking with the real person This is all for developers to create better conversational bots They also demoed the office of the future But the cool thing that count my eye was AI would help people follow up on action items So it would be monitoring the meeting and if you said, oh, yeah, we'll follow up on that in a day It would send you a reminder of Microsoft Teams the next day like hey, you're supposed to follow up on that thing You mentioned in the meeting and Microsoft announced putting $15 million into its AI for accessibility project The project will provide seed grants to developers universities inventors and NGOs and Microsoft is pledging to bring inclusive design to all of its products Wow, they want to work today didn't they? Yeah, there's a lot There was a lot of announced and and a lot of it is is trying to show like hey when we say AI We're not just using it as a buzzword We actually have some products that developers can work on right now to improve their apps And we have offerings in our own services that are gonna make life better for everybody Yeah, they get their hooks and and everything like again I mentioned about the IBM thing but they get they get their hooks underneath. I mean that they end up powering a Good chunk of the internet and the way people work That's a that's an amazing again amazing business plan and I see I see why they're they're really pushing it's on the developers So yeah, absolutely official for us later They're also Microsoft pay is being integrated into outlook Microsoft Excel getting support for Azure machine learning custom Java script functions Microsoft partnering with GitHub to make visuals a studio app center available in the GitHub Marketplace and Microsoft remote assistant will let customers share images mix reality annotations and heads-up hands-free video calls and Microsoft layout lets users design spaces in mixed reality using real-world scale and experience the designs in VR or as high-quality Holograms and collaborate on the editing there. So so many good cool things happen IO starts tomorrow even though build runs through the ninth, you know, it says three-day conference You figure like it's like just just get all the announcements out today before they get buried in other Google news. Yeah, I'm really Confused about one thing you mentioned Microsoft. There's a Microsoft pay Okay, you know, you know, I guess in the in the Xbox app there is that mark you're right I just never I guess they changed the name. I never I never thought they had a payment system. No Okay Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and In our Facebook group Facebook comm slash groups slash daily tech news show Lots of stuff going on on the west coast of the US this week. That's not the only place tech is happening Let's check in with Nate Langston to find out what's been happening with tech in the UK. Thanks guys this week We talked about Xiaomi partnering with one of Britain's major phone networks to bring their range of cell phones to the UK for the first time This is one of the first times the Chinese manufacture has ever officially sold products in Europe And they are planning on heading to the US in about a year plus one of our main TV broadcasters We'll be transmitting the upcoming royal wedding but using facial recognition technology to identify celebrities in the crowd and identify them as Interactive subtitles on screen and on web streams We go into detail about how all that will work and how else facial recognition is gaining new use cases worldwide all that and much more at Tech podcast dot UK back to you. Thank you Nate. All right. Let's check in with the mailbag Wow royal wedding that sounds like it's gonna be very interesting This one comes from Robert who's in sunny San Diego who says you guys were discussing AR last week and some of its uses And it made me realize I don't just want AR. I need it in January I started working as a semi conductor company where I spent a lot of time in a clean room I need to have schematics and cabling tables and DUT which is devices under test data close to hand See a lot of potential for AR to be able to feed me that information and make it easier to adhere to our clean room Protocol so if there's anybody in the audience working on a usable solution Will you please hurry up and that is getting sore trying to see my laptop while tracing cables on a tester I love this this even there's a message. I because I picture it You know being able to see all the manuals of things that he needs or how to clean up. Yeah, why is this not a thing for him? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Maybe it is Maybe one of those Microsoft build developers out there is working on exactly this Today's announcement sort of seemed like we might have a solution They're giving the tools for it for sure. So if you are working on something like this Or you know of someone working on something like this send us an email We'll pass it along to Robert because if nothing else, I'll bet you he'll beta test it for you To see if it helps us save Robert's neck. It's somewhere Subject title save Robert's neck save Robert's neck. Thanks Robert It's always nice to know what challenges people are facing in the workforce and how AR and other things might help And also, thanks to Lamar Wilson for being with us today Lamar. What's been going on with you? Well, I do unboxings of various things from tech to gaming to Entertainment things that you check me out at youtube.com slash Lamar Wilson did a first Star Wars day We did a nice little Lego giveaway. That's still going on and I I don't want to spoil it There is a really fun. I'll just call it retro tech video happening this week So it'll be out in a day or two stay tuned for that be sure to subscribe if you want to see that Thank you. I love me a retro tech video. Oh, yeah So just so check it out folks youtube.com slash Lamar Wilson Also, I will be heading out of town for a couple weeks Sarah and Roger will be holding down the fort with the rest of the gang while I'm gone But if you happen to be in Australia on these dates come say hi I'm doing a meet-up in Sydney May 15th at 6 p.m At Hart's pub corner of Essex and Gloucester streets in the rocks big Thanks to D. Colville for helping the scouting there And in Melbourne on Tuesday May 22nd at 6 p.m. All these times and dates are local to Australia by the way The one in Melbourne will be Tuesday May 26 6 p.m. At Bart, Veronica, which is Flinders Lane Thanks to Peter Wells and Raj Deute for helping set that one up. 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Same here. I don't know why I'm just trying to read it, but yeah, it's a me a few times After a while I was like if it's me. I'm not touching this thing anymore Roger it did I did not do anything. No, no, no Roger press one of the buttons Like the wrap-up All right, that didn't do it do it again. Yeah, okay I mean, yeah, I will say that it jumped on me And then when it jumped on me the that bar like row one was no longer fixed Like weird, okay, it's probably so something unfreezed it. I know what it is What? Microsoft they heard you say the Google Docs So they went in like oh really And they were like, how about this Sarah, right? Yeah, that's the answer No, you know what did the very good points about if you're if you're in the Microsoft ecosystem Whether you want to be or not, you know I know a lot of people who you know mumble and grumble about having to use outlook for work But hey, it is a robust system and it makes a lot of sense to be able to have you know a voice assistant Be compatible with the stuff you might already have at home They want to provide a turnkey solution for any developers who want to do a bunch of things without necessarily having to move out of a specific development environment I mean a lot of people still complain about outlook, but that's the only I don't hear people complaining about office Like they used to I don't know the complaints that started to simmer down on a lot of Microsoft products I think they argued because a lot of people don't have to use it anymore. Oh, no. No, it's people people are using it still It's just gotten better. I use it all the time It's it's definitely in in Microsoft offices in higher use than it used to be like it is on the rise And it's they just well, you don't have to anymore. That's what I'm trying to tell you Well, okay, but I also don't have to use it anymore. It's changed Sarah It's okay like it used to be That is the spice of life outlook. Um, I had to use it at um My last full-time job Which um, I did not enjoy but it also just had been a while since I used it like they're like wrong without like It's super robust. You can do anything you want to do in there, but um, it um It was hard for me to get back into it after You know more or less just being in the google accounts Eileen complaints about outlook all yeah, it's it's you know, there's again It's like I don't have anything to say that's like there's nothing wrong with it. It just um, it's almost like I'm crippled by choice Um, which is the same way I feel about office, but there's outlook. I'm I think we're all talking about outlook the Probably the email. Yeah, there's also outlook.com the email service that's on the web that is similar to gmail Which is way better than outlook the software application For a while. I used outlook on ios Um, and I didn't stop using it for any reason just I don't know I tried some other app and then I never went back But I mean that worked really well that was actually a great app. So Yeah, so not a microsoft hater just saying No, definitely not and and and I I think uh, I think Microsoft's getting better at stuff Well, they are they are certainly Uh They're doing a lot of stuff Well as it witnessed by today One of the reasons I was late on the music is I was trying to apologize to uh, amos who does our show notes for all the links Like sorry, right? Also, it's gonna happen tomorrow too because of io Sorry A bunch of windows. Ah windows windows Oh, you need your title, right? Yeah, no, I just having issues with my mouse not working That's google saying oh you're gonna throw shade on google docs microsoft. Well, we'll freeze rogers I hope they don't have access like that. That's scary. Oh, yeah, they're they all have all the access Yeah, it's if you use their browser or you use they're in your machine. You're in there in it. You invited them in Uh Tell cortana to open the a word I mean it's getting almost ridiculous how scared I am to say the word where I'm like What's the worst that's going to happen? Like, you know, the fans aren't kind of revolt like they get like they understand that It's a thing You know, we're saying all the other words You can overthink it. That's for sure. You can overthink it But I but I do I really go out of my way not to say it, you know, right You know, especially during headlines when when there's an And you know an echo Story of some kind, you know, I'll I'll say like, you know her wink wink and I'm just saying Well, especially because I think the largest chunk of people who listen to daily tech headlines listen to them on amazon echo. So Right, right exactly that that element to it as well I listen to you on this google assistant in the bathroom now Well, that's good to know. Yeah Well, the bathroom for what probably wasn't important What about microsoft build up before google i o Or is it just uh, we couldn't hear you roger. I'm sorry. Oh microsoft build up before google i o or tell cortana to open the a word Or microsoft edges toward iot and ai I like tell cortana to open the a word. Oh, I like uh microsoft edges towards iot and ai like that's a really succinct way of Putting it like that's exactly what they were saying today. What do you want? Nothing All right, lemar I can't hear either one of you. I hear tom. Oh, I just wasn't saying anything. Oh, oh, I saw you The first time I haven't been talking. Yeah, I know it's crazy All right, I don't think I think the one you said with the microsoft edging towards whatever that's fine. All right done Do do do do do do do? Tomorrow's gonna be fun. I I mean I didn't get up early enough to watch microsoft's event, but I'm gonna watch it google's Yeah, because googles is a 10 Yeah, it's when I wake up Oh, gosh really? I'm so wasn't no i'm a night owl so I go to bed around four or five I kind of I'm third shift. That's kind of how my life I definitely don't stay up that late, but I also I have two cats who don't appreciate anyone else's time so you know it's six o'clock if I'm not already up they're gonna make sure that I get up I need to train them like you better stay asleep there's no training 11 year old cats you know there's not like what do I do yell at them they just be like what's that have you had them 11 years uh-huh oh I won't yeah it's all it's it's my fault it's bad parents I I own it's a no one else to blame for this but it's me it's me well there are little things that you can do like you can shut them out of the bedroom you know so you have to chase them out and then shut the doors I have two doors into my bedroom you know just of course because I have to make it difficult and then you'll maybe get like maybe 30 minutes of rest you know respite and then the howling starts because they can't get back in you know so there's you see like little cat feet you know under the door you know they're trying to open it you know so it's just it's mayhem so sleeping till 10 that I mean what a luxury oh yeah I'm not getting more sleep than you it's just right I'm just time shifted you know the night the night is good for me well probably not dissimilar to how I feel about getting up early I love you know between six and eight before just kind of the world wakes up and starts communicating with me those are some of my most productive hours mm-hmm of the entire day you know just because I don't know I it's I'm fresh I'm drinking my coffee it's quiet sounds not your co-host in slack saying which of these 16 options do you co-hosts aren't you know like I know I know when you guys start you know rustling I thought Tom is about what seven at least minimum yeah I'm usually up around seven before I let the dogs out and you ever wanted to know who let the dogs out it was me now I know a little bit before seven every morning now we know who who who me and learning is half the time Tom Tom Tom probably go down in history is one of the most annoying popular songs ever oh I don't like no I don't like anything I only like to select things clip it out he said it I don't like anything I have words I had a lot of fun yesterday on Twitter by posting like I know I'm open myself to a lot of hate here but I like something mm-hmm I like things too but you know you should have been a creator of cranky geeks produced it produced I know you I know I know I know you did no John yeah it was literally they took them we took a mold of his face and it just became the show that was one of the first tech shows I watched oh yeah yeah I listened to your show Tom you know via you know whatever you know audio but yeah cranky geeks was the first tech show I watched it because I didn't I wasn't really watching and then a whole tech TV era I was just doing other stuff during that time so I kind of missed that I knew of it but I just you know but yeah I found cranky geeks I'm like well this old cranky guy I like him he's he's yeah he has opinions like I do he was like that when he was writing for writing coms for PC Meg back in the 90s and 80 at the anniversary of the iMac was yesterday one of John's most famous columns was calling oh well maybe it was the iBook not the iMac the iBook he compared it to a woman's hand purse and I said that it looked more like a toilet seat cover dispenser I'm actually picturing one of those I'll bet mine is more accurate I think but he's got more chuckles yeah yeah it was it was him because I forgot what I was watching on some app that was I was able to get streaming to the TV somehow I don't know it was on TV or whatever but it was that and then dig Dignation those are the two shows I kind of found first everyone dig and then there was it was the first I wonder what that Patrick Norton did that was it was before hdNation it was um text text I feel like it was before Tekzilla too DLTV yeah you were on that right I produced that too yeah that's where I first saw you yeah DLTV is one of my favorite shows you sat all the way in the back Lamar it sounds like you're a fan of Roger Chang productions I am yeah that's why when I saw him I was mad that I couldn't like stop and like touch me check his hand and get an autograph we can we kept getting ushered in no you got to Avengers was more important than you please please leave Mr. Chang alone please I'm here to watch a movie I probably wouldn't enjoy it but I'm here anyway I enjoyed it I liked it I liked it it was in the it was in a terrific movie it was a good movie I can provide independent confirmation that Roger enjoyed it um I saw Black Panther this weekend for the first time oh wow okay I know I know are you are you watching in order have you seen Avengers yet uh the latest Avengers yes yes sorry okay no you're getting there I'm getting there I'm getting there I'm just I'm just um you know I like to you know be the caboose of pop culture it's interesting so given all of the hype about Black Panther did that affect your viewing of it I loved the movie it wasn't exactly what I thought it would be like and I'm not totally sure how to describe what that means I found it to be less like a superhero movie than I expected but that's not a bad thing in fact it was it was very sci-fi and some it was almost more sort of like Star Wars meets Game of Thrones to me than you know than I expected um but I really enjoyed it um it was and I don't need I don't love kind of action stuff as much as the next guy and I I felt very riveted I loved all the you know different um you know scenes of of violence and not not violence but like well there was like you know real-world cities right and then they'd go back to Wakanda and then they'd go back to you know South Korea and it was you know it was all over the place and I I found it very exciting well before we wrap up the live video stream uh real quickly Snapchat just uh replaced Andrew Valero their chief financial officer with Tim Stone who previously like and up till this morning was vice president of physical stores for Amazon now before last year he was vice president finance for Amazon so it may be that he was like man I like doing physical stores I want to go back to finance and that's why is it snap but that's interesting definitely all right see you guys on tomorrow with Patrick