 Hello, hi Carl. How are you? Oh, I'm kind of beat up, but I'm doing all right again We are Nigger from Mississippi Recognizing I don't care whether they say they Freedom party when they come along and recognize two members of this freedom crowd and give them the status of an official delegate to the convention on the basis that They they recognize their protest next time out people have already said to me next time they could give 22 people in Georgia or any other place The Democratic Convention could they could create 22 delegates at large and give them to somebody else on some other basis And I'm what I'm afraid of and this is the thing that I Wanted to be sure that you understood if they start see two delegates Even though they try to disassociate them in the convention Honestly, believe you're gonna have a wholesale walk out From the south and it gets down to that point Because I don't know what we gonna be able to do because my position is I'm Flinden Johnson, and I'm gonna stay Flinden Johnson, and I'm for him But I don't know whether I could sit in a convention They would turn around and seat some folks and name them delegates Given the status of delegates in a convention without any legal right to do so Now I don't mind I talked to a lot of these people and here they can Rope off a Blue Ribbon section for right in the middle of the damn floor as far as I'm concerned and see them all there and give them the Status is on it guess to anything they love but for God's sakes if they make delegates We've got the south now solid it looks like to me and Understand George Wallace is gonna get on our plane in Atlanta to come back up here because we run him in Alabama with a Alabama setup we worked out so far There's no way you can Call I thought this was I have I thought this would be the best thing that could happen I don't see how it hurts anybody It's got no connection Mississippi. Mississippi's got every vote they ever had George's got every vote they ever had We're not gonna have any votes to begin with this is a pure soft to two people Sit over there that never cast a vote so we don't have a brawl I think we're gonna have it anyway cuz Roy just raised in hell about it I'm just I'm telling you because you want me to tell you Well and here's for freedom crowd or raise in hell if this just gives our leaders that that got those that got those serious problems Excuse of some kind to not vote with them now if we don't do this the alternative is by God getting beat Well, I don't can't eat I came to take a legal principle though and carry Chicago and New York and the places We got a carry you see you get out there and get a vote now You for that you just came in said Bobby Kennedy's gonna make speech for the freedom party tonight oppose this thing Inception that they ought to be reasonable that that's exactly what he told me I'm saying and I and you know this and that is with you and I'm gonna I'm gonna stay with you as an individual But I'm not gonna sit in a convention up there And I think the rest doesn't feel the same way if they go next to it they're gonna start making delegates at large Freedom crowd over there because any downwind world we can we can justify that all we've done now is Put the Negro He's opposed to this Carl. He's opposed to this. This is a pure Johnson move to try try not to call a roll in That convention. I don't see how it could hurt a human being Mississippi's got every vote. They've got it didn't allow anybody to go in the primary They wouldn't allow the negros to come into the convention and we nevertheless, we're going ahead and see them We give them every vote they got and all we're doing there's saying in the protest group protest of education Protest the housing which you've already recognized in Georgia and 44 on it Which we've already graduated recognized put some on it But they have not put anybody on it and we're just saying on a national basis We're gonna recognize two of them when we're not gonna vote. It's a pure symbolic thing Well if I could do that and get my job done it'd be fine if our dictator I wouldn't even be discussing it But I can't and I can't even get them to do it this way But I can't get the bosses to go in this way and I may be able to get 1100 to 900 something like that Assuming I could hold a cell but can't why it's all off again. We just have to go start something else But it's a damn this thing I ever saw we got no votes We got no disagreement about anything we got a unanimous platform But we've got this bunch over there And I've got to get something that'll permit a man like daily and the wag man and not to get murdered at home And they can say well god damn it We recognize this as a symbolic protest not with Mississippi, but as inadequate education Inadequate housing inadequate transportation discrimination through the years so we said we'll recognize two of them Nobody's ever gonna call a roll All it does is just keep from calling that damn roll and dividing it up Last night we figured out that we might get 900 they might get 1100 and I think we did too much Massachusetts now you talking about Bobby the vote up there was about 48 to 10 against us new England was three to one against us And we just we just got to find some way To keep them from calling the roll now round all go with this rouse down there fighting with this fellow element That makes up one of their 13 we figured we could knock off him and knock off three or four more And wouldn't cost us a thing didn't hurt miss it miss if his fights one she comes there with legal delegates They recognized I think I think probably who? Well, they may do it may do it if the South that way why they've won they've got seated They've caused more goddamn trouble and done less for it to any two states. I've heard of my life to the party that they're supposed to like Yeah I don't see what does what do we lose? What is Georgia Texas lose? We turn around and we'll be good. You got a you never say you got the strongest Damn civil rights plank you ever had and we say you've got the most mark and it's working at both ends of the line But we go back a lot or agree that they say that because they say it's a pallet platform Selling may do it, but you see the New York Times. I got it close morning pallet platform and said we don't I do to I do to I do to and I think it to go in there Tonight and adopt this resolution if they if they can if they can't get a minority report where we can kill it Without a minority report in that committee where they can't get a roll call now We'll sail through there like nobody's business in Mississippi. We can say we see the everdown one up We didn't touch their state. We recognized them. We didn't we voted to take every vote to head We didn't take anything away from but we've had a couple of honorary sergeant arms all of our life We've had a couple of honorary vice-presidents. We've had a couple Making them delicate couple of Kentucky colonels all of our life And we as a symbolic gesture are going to say here's two people now And you can go and say by God that your protest was heard and your protest was recognized They ought to be members of the Mississippi Delegate If I could do it and get by with them Carl I would but what they ought to be now honestly between you and me with their population 50% they ought to be Delegates in the Mississippi group They're Democrats and by God they tried to attend the convention and pistols kept them out These people went in and begged to go and participate in the convention And they got half the population and they won't let them they lock them out Well some of them are registered Well, that's enough to get two delegates on here. I mean you recognize them John Connelly recognized I think you've got a good legitimate case to say that the state of Mississippi wouldn't let a Negro come into their damn convention And therefore they they violated the law and wouldn't let them vote wouldn't let them register Intimidate them and by God they ought to be seated I think is a legitimate case to be made that but I don't want to make it but I don't see how they could raise hell that Have the cake and eat it too and just say by God. I'm gonna be a dog in the manger I'm gonna have all I got every vote to the state of Mississippi's got then by God I'm gonna bark if somebody across the hall gets a couple That ain't gonna take a boat away from a human all it does is just Stop the agony and the pain and the bad publicity of three damn days here on Television and gets us out of there with a unanimous vote and I can't see that cost a man or dying Well Two niggers can't take over anything They can say you got four I've been hearing that on the television, but that don't The car we've been doing that for good many years Recognizing peculiar problems in the state. I went to Chicago in 1944 of the rump crowd myself and the delegation Well, if I could my friend or would I Would do anything I could to even get their support. I haven't got their support, but I've got a man that's supporting them It's coming off of their list and coming on the hour. I Can't satisfy them, but I did their last people I thought it would this object to it be the South because we're sitting Mississippi. We're giving them ever vote to God She went The only thing is whereas me and this is what I'm what I'm saying now if this Mississippi delegation is gonna stay Then that may hold hold the rest of us Well, you and John get over there and say now what else Why is he gonna hurt anybody if you're seated and you got ever vote in your delegation seat and ever man that you got there That'll take the oath to take the pledge He's seated and Mississippi's got a full number What damn difference does it make to them if we don't take away from any other state? But we'll lock two seats and two badges to two fellas that are symbol of discrimination and housing and education Not connected with Mississippi. They say that in the presentation What News and everything else when they see him they go say what I'm concerned about it Maybe we can settle this is it hold down Mississippi regular delegation then saying Over here with that you're gonna head down and turn the damn party over to the niggers And then the rest of the next thing another certain state gets up and say the same thing and then we got If we if we if we see to a man You didn't have a roll call which we hope you don't have we don't believe you You'll outvote them to the one in Georgia with your four knickers We'll outvote them a good many in Texas and Mississippi will be there to vote them down party to one They're not gonna have a vote It's just a pure symbolic pussy-footin thing to try to keep from splitting their party like gold water'd like to see it split It's just like the word enforcement. It don't make a damn whether it's administration or enforcement But they made a big symbol of it And if I had to take enforcement, they'd run me across the damn water and it's not gonna make I'm gonna handle that myself And if I'm here to elect it These delegates not gonna hurt us or hurt me or heard Georgia hurt Mississippi The freedom party's not being seated. What's happening is we're doing four or five things number one we come