 It's 6 o'clock, cold meeting to order, Monday, September 19th, and we have both a sec word meeting and a hearing. So starting with the meeting, first we saw the public comment. Anybody here for general public comment other than for the hearing? Susan? Yes. I was wondering what steps could be taken to make trick-or-treating safer in the village because people fly through here way too fast, and even when children are lined up shoulder to shoulder on the side of the road ready to cross, people don't stop. So I was hoping that maybe there could be some type of alert system to slow people down, maybe some flashing lights or a fire truck or something. I don't know what that would look like, but I mean something really, I really appreciated something for you, Don, because it's very dangerous. Right, right. Both sides, is it? Both ends, yeah. I had actually recently seen something where it was volunteer people from the neighborhood that were trying to do a crosswalk to you for the evening. And that way it was kind of lights were provided and Son Adult was safely helping groups. I thought that was interesting. What time would you think you'd want that? We have Stefan online here. They do the party at the town hall, the Halloween party, wouldn't that? Sometimes the younger kids come earlier before that, but they're usually accompanied by an adult and it's pretty well supervised. But once the party ends, the kids spread out through town. And they don't just stay on one side. I mean they dart back and forth dangerously. Not going to name names, but... Yeah, no, we're talking like from three to seven or something. I don't know what time the party is, but... Stefan, can you hear this, Stefan? The beginning. It's ideas for keeping the village safe for Halloween. Even the truck songs, there's a big help, I think. Yeah, the trucks would be a big help. Yeah, that would be great. And then I think maybe some volunteers would be a little best to help with crossing. That's a great idea. Maybe they have headlamps on or something. Headlamps tend to blind people. You know, if you look right in the car and all the guys driving, you can't see. The trick-or-treat bags are blinking lights. Is it more visible? Oh, I think the trucks would be a huge help. I think that would really make people aware of activity. Has it been decided what day? Or is it Sunday or Monday? I read an email a while ago. The school is wondering if it's going to be Sunday. I know what this stuff talk about, doing the whole thing on Sunday. I don't know. I think they charted that once before splitting it up and it really didn't go well. Because people did it on both nights or one night. Why would they change it? I don't know if something that came from the school was asking or something. They're asking for so much boys' opinions. So I'm just bringing it up now because we might as well have that opinion as well. My opinion is staying with the tradition. Stay on Halloween? Yeah, right. You've got your costume picked up and everything already. I don't need one. And I think that the people on the college would get so much traffic. That it had been two nights of doing trick-or-treat. Well, that would be great if the trucks could be there. That would be wonderful. And I like the idea of the people on the college. Great. Thank you. I wonder who we can follow up with about the crossing. The best and stuff. I don't know who really organizes Halloween and tell. Is there any one point person or the school organizes that just happens? I thought it was the school. I don't know what you suggested to them about the crossing. Even if the grown-ups who were accompanying the children or something really visible, you know, it would help. Because when it gets dark and, you know, we've had rainy nights. It's just been... People are hard to see. And the way the people fly through town, I'm just amazed at people not so long ago. The trucks would be a huge help. Okay. Great. If they're not bound snow. Yeah. Don't say things like that. Okay. Anybody else for public comment? Doesn't look like there's anybody online, so... Let's move on. Speaking of blinking lights. The discussion on the blinking speed limit sign. The movable one. Yeah. So we need to decide how to go with it. Did you find out? We're talking about the speed sign that's the trailer. Yeah, the trailer. Yeah. Yeah. From my research on it, because I did a little research after talking to. To the sheriff about it. They like the stalker brand one better. I don't know what the price difference is between that and the other one, but I know that that's their, their choice. And it seems like it's, you know, more bang for your buck. As far as analytics that, you know, So what are they familiar with? What are they familiar with? And what car, what time of day the cars are going fast and. And that kind of data. So are they familiar with the one from. Safety. Work safe? I'm not sure. I don't know what the one from WorkSafe is. What brand it is. Oh, it's the Vermac. I'm I don't know that they are not familiar with that okay I don't but because my understanding was that they are virtually the same unit and that the one through WorkSafe can do everything that the starkle one does isn't that what you that's what I thought and my concern Stefan was you know WorkSafe isn't ruined it's a local company that if we had issues these years to go to them then to deal with something from Texas or wherever they I agree with that yeah okay we can ask those questions I didn't go through all the calculations as far as what everyone can do but I think they're all pretty much yeah I think those two are probably equal and if they're equal and WorkSafe is lower price and they're local I would prefer to stay with them mm-hmm yeah I agree WorkSafe was lower I agree yeah I can't remember if it was by a lot or substantial it was under a thousand dollars difference if we're going to be working with the sheriff's department they might be going to defer it they're going to be using something then they recommend I'm sure they work with one of us as well yeah well I think WorkSafe listed a couple other towns that they had they're working with I think it was probably information I don't recall what towns they were in Washington County in Vermont oh but I mean that you know not Washington County Sheriff's Department would be working with that right I think local business is you know is a big thing that I know that we've always strived for when we can and you know if it if it makes sense where the price is cheaper and you get the same you know the same product basically Matt is it Bermatt trailer system I'll second that any more discussion all in favor of motion say aye okay good you're gonna set it up for Halloween okay uh moving on to overload restrictions travel time any any more information on that from a bus barn already so nothing more to yeah I I would propose that we give them a waiver that we could revoke if we found that it was becoming an issue with the with the bus with the buses but uh I feel like most all other towns allow trucks on the same road as the buses so I I feel confident that they can you know they can work together to get this done unnecessary burden on the truck drivers right right so that's my opinion that we should give a waiver to the trucks that are giving me issue of permit with the condition that we can revoke at any time if we have complaints about not respecting the school bus traffic right okay I mean under still alone but that's in month season and stuff like that yeah right month season is completely different and you still have all your ag vehicles that that overweight restriction doesn't apply to anyway so your farm trucks can go through at the same time as a school bus and there's nothing you can do about it the ordinance that that was in place it just does it go back to the fifties or something it goes back a long ways is it something that we at some point should remove as a yeah as an ordinance and have a different different ruling or a different yeah I would say that I have an understanding for the use of the roads and walking trucks and maybe we could have an article for town meeting yeah okay so you want to make that motion or is that a motion I thought it did make a motion okay that's a motion okay second motion I'll second it any more discussion then all in favor of raise motion to issue a waiver for logging operations I think all the drugs you know all the drugs all the drugs all the drugs say hi okay and I think it would be good to keep it down there and discuss pulling that out of there because I had this sign that it's not yeah having an article to find out the best way to rework the ordinance yeah okay well it's uh 615 I'm not sure dig down today is supposed to be here I just saw a car okay we're going that way this rod joining us no he's available can't believe it's talking about but I looked and I was like I don't know who that is not work down business huh no no it's someone Steve because I still don't know on on the news when they advertise WCAS and they say what's going on in Durgens and then they mentioned more town I don't know what that what was happening but hello Richard hi for a retired okay the man is here so I will call the hearing to order now the purpose of this hearing is really for Frank Piazza to address the board but we will go through and I'll give people a chance to speak um I have to apologize I forgot my glasses but I will read through the the order that's uh Dear Mr. Piazza this is public health order uh from 18 VSA section 126 based on the information provided by Richard Bellinfinetti health officer for the count of more town the select board finds and concludes that background Frank Piazza owns the multi unit dwelling at 1013 route 100B in more town Vermont here after the property the six units of this multi unit dwelling residence house approximately six persons on February 3rd 2022 health officer for the town of more town Richard Bellinfinetti conducted an inspection of the property he inspected units number one three five and six in common areas of property the inspection revealed the issues outlined below mold the inspection revealed a leak in the bathroom of unit five the leak is evident in the ceiling of unit six which has visible water damage and mold issues Mr. Bellinfinetti saw mold elsewhere in the apartment Mr. Bellinfinetti has requested that the ceiling tile of unit six be taken down to determine the extent of the mold on several occasions but Mr. Piazza has not done so Mr. Bellinfinetti inspected the property during a storm and witnessed the roof leak into the second floor hallway in his experience this can also cause mold the only to remedy what leads and allowing mold to develop violates section 10.3 of the Vermont rental housing health code which requires the owner to maintain the property free from the regular or periodic appearance of standing order or excessive moisture which may result in visual mold growth next unsafe conditions deterioration and lack of maintenance first the railings on the porch of unit six are missing and in need of replacement a porch without railings is a safety hazard the floorboards of the unit two porch are in disrepair rotting and have plants growing through them tenants guests delivery persons and other access others access the unit by means of the porch the porch is a risk to the tenants as well as any delivery person or other members of the public who access the apartment the sole stairway access to unit three and unit five is too steep and must be replaced the internal egress in its current condition is a fire and health hazard in march of 2022 mr. Picard informed mr. Bellinfinetti that the existing stairwell would be replaced with an additional staircase in the rear of the building this is not done mr. Bellinfinetti knows a substantial draft in unit six and unit three the bottom four inches of the walls of these units are not insulated baseboards are not insulated this is a public health risk particularly in winter months this also this is also a violation of section 10.1 of the Lamont rental here in rental housing health code which requires the owner of a dwelling house to maintain weathertight premises construction debris and junk is littered throughout the properties of creating dangerous conditions the debris includes unusable lumber glass and appliances section five five three one of the Vermont rental housing health code requires owners to maintain a dwelling house in a clean and sanitary condition free of trash recyclables and food scraps in all common areas as well as other parts of the premises not used as a dwelling space road infestation unit five was unoccupied and was not cleaned at the time of the inspection the unit contained old food and was cluttered with discarded items the unit was infested by mice and mouse droppings were throughout the air throughout the unit mice will enter other portions of the building through walls ceilings and other passages unit five is locked and mr. valentine has not been able to inspect the unit today section six point one point three of the Vermont rent rental housing health code provides that the owner of a dwelling shall be responsible for extermination of any infestation in any dwelling unit when infestation and dwelling unit is caused by his or her failure to maintain the dwelling or infestation exists in two or more of the dwelling units in any dwelling mr. Piazza has allowed the infestation to persist in violation of the code next continued public health risks and hazards the conditions in the building described above are a public health hazard six full-time residents are affected by the conditions of the property further members of the public who have access to the property including delivery persons are exposed to risk from the conditions of the property mr. Piazza has had several opportunities to rectify the public health hazards voluntarily but as instead allowed the hazards to continue and develop the conditions throughout the building pose a significant public health risk the presence of mold from leaks throughout the property could endanger residents the lack of maintenance of the fortress both railings and foreboards creates a safety risk the steep egress of units three and five post a safety risk the drafts in unit six and unit three create unsafe conditions in winter months the construction debris throughout the yard creates a hazardous condition the presence of rodents in the building has a potential to spread disease taken together these conditions amount to a significant risk to the public health frank piazza has the authority to address these problems mr. Piazza has allowed the problems described above to develop and were simple over the past eight months after the inspection mr. Piazza had several opportunities for voluntary compliance mr. valentine sent a letter detailing the issues to mr. Piazza which was delivered on february 17 2022 mr valentine sent a follow-up letter on march 11 2022 also asking for a progress report on repairs and remediation mr valentine sent an email to jason picard on march 22 march 22 2022 a brief progress report was sent in response from mr picard to mr valentine on june 8 2022 mr valentine again asked mr. piazza to address the remaining issues in a july uh first 2022 letter to date mr piazza has not addressed the issues described above the above described violations continue to date the select board of the town of moortown pursuant to 18 vsa section 126 another replicable authority orders that on or before october 15 2022 mr piazza shall fix the leak in unit 5 and remove the ceiling tile in unit 6 to determine the extent of the lack of the leak and the extent of mold mr piazza shall remove and remediate any mold by the same date on or before october 15 2022 mr piazza shall clean unit 5 and eradicate the rodent infestation in the unit on or before october 15 2022 mr piazza shall replace the porch railing of unit 6 with an adequate railing fully meeting the requirements of the vermont fire and building safety code and nfpa 101 sections 7.2.2.4.6 on or before october 15 2022 mr piazza shall replace the unit 2 porch with a porch fully meeting the requirements of the vermont fire and building safety code on or before october 15 2022 mr piazza shall remove the construction debris throughout the yard on or before october 15 2022 mr piazza shall develop and deliver to the health officer a plan to replace the egress stairway to units 3 and 5 the egress shall be replaced by may 15 2023 on or before october 15 2022 mr piazza shall develop and deliver to the health officer a plan to repair the leak in the roof of the building the leak shall be fixed by may 15 2023 on or before november 15 2022 mr piazza shall fully insulate unit 3 and unit 6 including the baseboards where the draft was detected mr piazza shall allow and cooperate with implementation of the health law order the tenants of the property shall cooperate with mr piazza to assure compliance with this health order upon reasonable notice mr piazza shall allow the health officer to inspect the premises to determine compliance with this health order inspections shall occur between the hours of 10 a.m and 3 p.m so ordered on september 2 2022 more chance like that dick would you like to yeah i didn't realize my name was so frequently uh in this water until you read it oh you're the man right yeah no i think they wanted to speak for itself thank you it's just been a difficult year since back in february when i first did an inspection and uh continually looked for progress reports from either uh frank or frank piazza or his maintenance person jason uh had virtually had none with the exception of the e-mail in june so that's basically uh where i stand on this i'd be happy to answer any questions regarding the health order itself any questions from the board first before no questions from no actually i have a question if none of these dates from that or any of this uh work was performed uh i'm a little unclear what's the what's the next step i mean i mean i don't i'm not familiar with the statutes that are being referenced to those that are carrying their health their health department's statutes of the rental court and they could be enforced by either um um state's attorney or the health department or our attorney i mean tom could take action to i mean but what is it a fine is it the could be it could be how it takes to refuse the property basically um you'd have to go to court and get a judge's decision on what the remedy of the health order is could be a fine could be any any other remedy not a fine doesn't fix it question ever yeah i'm just curious at several dates that were mentioned as to it needs to be done by october 15th and then but all the way to may of 2023 so does that mean that people can be living in squalor until may of 2023 and then then the shoe drops or does it drop after october 15th does it drop again after that november date and close on any of these dates and in other words some of these things that go into uh 2023 are major construction i guess my questioning is we haven't seen any action so far so uh do we just let these dates go by until may of 2023 no october 15th is the first due date and so who's responsibility is it to let trigger the next step who's who's responsible who takes that responsibility and how does what does that mean that a lawyer gets i don't understand the process well the talent attorney would get involved but there's a number of ways of of dealing including again it's a health department regulations health department has the ability the state has the ability to enforce these as well as the time or this is this is basically um something that the state's attorney could also enforce so is it you who comes back to the select board on october 15th to say nothing's been done and then the select board decides the next at you know i'm just confused well i haven't had to go through this before so i'm not sure i did a lot of enforcement in my my former life but this is the first time as a health officer we're taking something we have the possibility of taking something to court you know to get a judge's a judge's room so i have to talk to the talent attorney but i'm looking at october 15th as a drop dead date to in fact do some of the work that needs to be done right now and that has just not been done would it help if we had wrong on the phone sure you might be able to answer some of these questions well can we talk about ways to get wrong on the phone because john and i uh mr summers is here talking about this today and he has some input yeah hi ron okay how are you so we have quite a few questions here okay the the big question was okay so what if we've got several things that have to be done by october 15th number one who checks to make sure they're done and number two what happens if they're not done okay so you would take it to court to enforce the order doable is you have the ability to change dates and then to tinker with health order this is something that the select court is showing and so you know it's up to you to oppose that line if you think they can be that okay um no we when we were when we drafted this we thought these were reasonable um but if for some reason because you're hearing evidence that that i that big didn't and i didn't you do have the authority to change some of the dates that and the issue at accordingly well i think i think the the dates that concern concern us are the ones where like this one that doesn't have to be done it's the egress of the stairway to units three and five don't have to be replaced it doesn't have to be replaced until may 15th and then there's a leak in the roof and that's until may 15th of 2023 as well so question johnny did you want to can you hang on there we we may need you again to the system you know ron can you call in to the select board meeting yeah you can go to the zoom you go to the zoom uh zoom meeting yeah that's probably the easiest thing just go to the website to the agenda and um and then click on the zoom and then you'll pop up on the screen okay good it's the in that i i it says the leak and wait till may yeah it's it's a leak in that i noticed after i did the original inspections when i went up the staircase there was a lot of water coming down indicating that the roof had issues you know i figured that something like the roof is something which is a major repair and that's why i was talking about uh may of 23 to get that for the leak in the unit and he has to do by our total right there's a question can i have any comments on the again i haven't witnessed this one actively leaking but we have video but there is a leak in our unit right above our propane heater and it leaks onto the propane heater and that's been there since we moved in there's water stains on the ceilings we've addressed this with mr piazza back in october of 21 so he's been aware of it the photos actually the back of the photos that he had had that he had sent us before we went to the unit and i did notice that there was signs of that leak there so this is something that's systemic that's been going on for possibly decades so i think these due dates are arbitrary he's not going to meet them he's already been given multiple due dates since february i don't think that matters he's not going to do it right and it's winter is coming so you know we all live there yeah this one hi hi ron so um we have a tenant that says that uh she feels that since we've had two dates before he's probably not going to meet these um i don't even know where he is is anybody seeing him around or anything yes yes what do you know i can address this did you want to speak first or oh i already i already said what i just said yes thank you so i'd like to uh practice my remarks about commenting on frank piazza most quickly i've known him a long time he's been around it for 50 years he's had a successful business all that time he's rented property all that time as we're buying a housing for lots of people all through this time right now he's an elderly man in fading health uh with those of us who know him well who are friends of his have been working very hard to try to mediate his situation he's in a very precarious situation and he's uh unable to address his business affairs correctly and i think that everyone should understand this which is the step of most of these problems i can't say that you know he was a shiny example land of all these years but right now he's in serious trouble he's been in hospital he's been hospitalized two or three times lately um he was quite out he's doing a little bit better now acting very very serious concerns about his ongoing health and situation and what i would recommend after thinking about the situation is that he should be dealt with as strictly and as severely as possible in these matters with the hope that we'll bring him around to finally deal with the matters as they should be dealt with he needs to be moved out of his house he's that you talk about squad his house is untenable have you been in there no no it's it's a private house it's it's uh i can't i can't describe how bad it is it's awful uh i was very worried when he was ill uh during the month of august that he was a danger to himself and a danger to others when he drives he seems to have stabilized quite a lot now the last few days i'm talking about what's been going on i should say also um i'm talking about him and he's not here i'm not authorized to talk about you ask me his situation how he's doing i'm letting you know this is just jolly sun is saying what he's seen and my opinions please keep that in mind i have no authority to speak to the friend whatsoever but i do have a lot of concern for him as to my friends and my family so we're trying to do the best thing we can and as i said if there's anything we can do to bring him to not to his senses but to indicate that this can't go on any further i.e. by dealing with the magic matters we're talking about tonight as severely as possible and without any delay and i think that would be good for him his doctor recommended he goes into assisted care he gets uh legal help to sort out his affairs he gets some of the deal with his affairs and then he has a good chance to survive for a while feigning that i quote his doctor saying you'll die and the state will absorb all your problems and if that's what he wants we can't stop him from doing that but i think one of the reasons i came tonight was to see the outcome of this because i'm very concerned and what i say is i think if we deal with this as severely as possible and strictly as possible and uh it might help to move into the place where he realizes he's going to do something otherwise he's going to procrastinate, prevaricate, nothing will get done, i can assure you of that and his as the so-called maintenance man can't help very much he's been there right along and he does what he can but i don't see any good outcome the way things are going unless we i say we i'm trying to do this room i actually spoke to the adult protective services as you guys know i'm the emt i'm bound by my license to report anything dangerous i see or incorrect with the calls that i go on adult protective services reply to me they don't deal in self harm they suggest the council on aging i've been working with them as well this is very serious situation it's not unique i'm sure this happens now the place other times but this is what we're dealing with now so i'm actually glad to let you people on the select will know what's going on give you a better picture of why we're in this situation thanks john so and um well in terms of october 15 maybe that's too far away maybe it is so like rock yeah you know yeah it you know i think what johnny just said is is is helpful context and can uh is maybe uh incentive for us to look uh toward you know other remedies to help frank but the the issue here is is the welfare of its tenants as opposed to frank's welfare and so that that has to be first and foremost what uh what the select board's considering and that but that certainly doesn't mean you should you should not do things in addition such as what johnny suggested so right is for the tenants that if if we set a date yeah the only way frank and or he doesn't mean it and then he puts his tenants out i mean he has that option right means nothing that says he can't say i'm just not going to deal with it everybody's going to go is is there or is there something else that i don't know about well there's a legal process for eviction and he's been trying to evict us illegally since it's retaliatory since we've been trying to communicate with him since october he hasn't spoken to us since october from 2021 um we've of course been looking for other housing options but i'm sure all aware of the housing crisis and we aren't the only tenants of frank he has other buildings that are in the same condition and that he seems it just seems to be a pattern that he's been doing many people have been harmed by this many people have been living in mold many people have been falling through full floors and you know there's one tenant in that building who hasn't had heat or hot water for four years and we can't do anything we have no else to go we work in this town we work at the school we work at the library we're postal workers i don't know i mean we have reached the limit of what we can do and because we can't communicate with frank and he's unwilling to do anything or ask for help we've offered to help him so many times that he will not communicate with us so we're at our i mean we don't want to be here we just want to live our lives and be part of the community but there's really no other options and we are at what risk of homelessness there's nowhere else to go or that we can afford we would have to relocate and start our lives over and we just did that so i really there's something else that we can do or work together to remedy this this is the only affordable housing in the area i would add to speak to frank about his business affairs i question him about how many empty apartments and he revealed to me that several of his units are empty and not rentable and to my mind in this day and age with a crisis in housing in this valley and well throughout the country throughout the state and right here in this valley what he's doing is criminal people need places to live and places defocations and places are available and he's entitled to do that but because of what's been going on and when we hear this harm to tenants and so on he should i say we wrote the book with the hope that he will you know make a change but i can't talk to my colleagues yeah i'm not a professional health officer i also have a health officer in dutch and there's three units over there that are now empty that i'm going to put in the water what haven't been rented until the until it's up to court there is a lot of available housing yeah it's uh it's wrong in this place which we empty it's up to him of course but in this day and age with his need it's because he's been deteriorating in his mental physical conditions and it's just too bad and i you know the tragedy of this situation is what i want to express to you guys and see how best we can do and my suggestion is to be very firm and strict i mean ron can we change make the date earlier that or do you take some action or something to your your your fully entitled to make the dates earlier if you want this is this is the select boards or the town board health's order which is the same thing as as a select board um you're allowed to do what's what's reasonable what uh what dick valentine eddie with our help suggested uh there were suggestions um we we gave the we gave the select board a template but based on the evidence you guys can make things stricter make things looser um it's it's up to the select board to to make the decision um you know again the issue here are his tenants um people with whom um frank has uh has basically a contract to be able to rent habitable living to and so it has to be fixed if for some reason uh the worst is this is to happen to frank it falls onto the estate as opposed to um you know some other person um so you've got to keep your eye on on what the goal is here which is to to make to take the the quickest route to to assure habitable i would make a recommendation that we change the october date to september 30th day so that we can proceed as quickly as possible in terms of bringing this to september 20th i mean you should go on i have a question from one um as a tenant i think the law says that if the repairs are not done can they do them and then withhold the rent to cover the expense that they incurred doing the repairs which is why he's trying to lift us and he's been retaliating and threatening us but also i'd like to add the what the price of these repairs would relate to is wouldn't be fair for us to have to pay because reasonably we even though we are withholding rent and holding that in uh a separate account that still wouldn't cover the the cost of a majority of these repairs yeah because one concern i have is i don't know how quickly you could find anybody to do the repairs that's because i mean i know for a fact that anybody who can do them is is really busy well he does have a business person no it doesn't sound like you when we moved in Jason had promised us that it would take two weeks to have railings and the porch fix and have the debris cleared because we have animals so my major concern was glass analysis and construction so that was the the first like time that i noticed something was the best when it was promised two weeks later and then when i reached out to him about it was yeah yeah i'll get to it next week you know i'm busy and that's just been more of the same that was october 20th if jason vicar was reliable and uh got all the jobs this problem is this problem wouldn't have been the reason right that's your answer right there right but he must get that for frank he tells him not to really deal with it or something right no i think frank will be pleased and of course frank will see just what john said you can't get anyone now not these tried really hard and plus anyone who's got you know anyone today can work for whoever they're not gonna work for frank he has a core reputation so it's uh a very old situation plus i also believe is taking jason's professional opinion on the matter as well so whatever jason's opinion might be on the state of the house is probably going to listen to that or at least that's my impression of that which is a lot of flexi they try to fix everything with kinds of flexi yeah but also yeah each time we interact with frank he says that jason does not communicate with him and then when you talk with jason he's like it's too hard to come over here and fix things because frank tries to get all the tenants to fix stuff and then i have to come and do twice the work to repeat it like repeat them and do the work that are uniquely done so yeah rampant this communication and i mean for us zero communication now with either of them which is uncomfortable because they still come to the property regularly to use the dumpster and so all those other tenants and it's just that's how we get to meet everyone and it was just falling enough to know and love our neighbors and find out that they're dealing with equal or their own unique set of dangerous circumstances in each unit but then to meet the people that come by the property to put a check into the slot of the door each month for this person you have a conversation with them and you quickly find out that they're dealing with the exact same stuff where they are and they're they're sharing their own stories of parts of their roots caving in and having to cover hundreds of dollars for plumbing bills just to have toilets that work and then being told no i'm never going to reimburse you for this like you you call the professional plumber to come and do the work and that doesn't fly so frank owes us money as well we replace things and he has not reversed us as well as he's stuck us with paying bills when we have gas leak and you know this goes on that that's our time and energy that we have to try to get these charges off our bills where he's the one that has all the authority on these accounts herring has also said that they're about to take the tanks off the property because they can't deal with them anymore which means no one will have heat or hot water so this is a price season and we're willing to work with i mean we've been willing to work with frank even the way he is because we understand that the housing prices is serious we all need to be involved in creating a solution but we only have so many resources and i mean we have no power um there's really not much we can do so whether it's you know repairing this place or coming up with a better idea for housing in the valley i mean we'd like to be part of that conversation this is ridiculous well the reason that i said September 30th was so that no one could get ready because we're gonna have to go to court anyways on this but if you want it September 19th or 20th i don't care i'm just i'm just trying to figure it if it seems like we're gonna have to go to court on this order we might as well do it as soon as possible what do you what do you think Ron yes so long as it's a reasonable deadline and you know i don't just move it up for the sake of moving it up but um if they could get down by September 19th though that makes sense today's September 19th September 30th i mean what if we give one of the dates you are giving him to replace some of these things and you give him dates that will happen in march to fix the ceiling i think in their unit i mean that's well overdue well i drove and he said the 20th when dig said the 30th once again my view is to provoke frank you know let him know what's going on the sue me gets to court order the sue me sees what's really going on it might bring into a sense it might do nothing but there's nothing to be gained by waiting till the 30th or the 15th of october nothing whatsoever that was was with with the house of the white house where the curves start that didn't have water when he violated the health order we went to court and that forced compliance right away nobody doesn't even know now i'm not having a living man now either come on hurdle road are you talking about on 100 b just yeah just on the corner hurdle not ready it's he's you know but i've been told is he's trying to sell it so that it becomes a private residence and therefore not under the jurisdiction of the helpful officer of the health board there's enough for the health ones no i know but it doesn't matter if that one's not yeah that's right it's pretty good i think ron's point was that when he got that he got served in order on that he i don't know what he wanted to do with the movement he wanted to do it when he got out he fixed the water to a point where it was usable rather than people taking a hose and trying to get the water straight out of the rock right so doesn't he he still has to be served this order right so he's been served he's been served yes so i'm i'm going to propose that we move the date up to a week from tomorrow which will be september 27th we'll give him one week i think that's reasonable amount of time for him to to either move and he gives us time to take what our actions are going to be as well was that good on that yeah i mean but what are we going to do does he get to serve something tomorrow that says he's now get to the 27th does ron trap something you know you know what's going to make a move a fine does he have a fine attack yeah what what do we do then if you change the dates we we would change the health order we'd serve him with a final signed health order as soon as we could and if he violates the health order then we take it to court so tomorrow draft a new order i would change the dates and sign it tonight yeah yeah just change the dates and sign it tonight and we'd serve it tomorrow and if he violates it we would file a complaint in court like we did last time actually last time i think we threatened to file it in court i i served as lawyer with with what i was about to file in court and that prompted compliance okay any other discussion on that that's it stuff oh yeah i mean yeah that's an action okay and so then you would tell the select court yeah but you guys don't meet again until after we can call him can the tenants report compliance i'm sorry can the tenants report a big complaint in a week start is it down for sure yeah well we're in touch with you yeah check things out get some after having a couple of rooms any other you said go ahead to go to court i would need i would need dick to say there's no compliance or the tenants to say there's no compliance and i would need to select or to authorize me if to file suit okay any more discussion yeah i thought so when that step takes place then what happens i mean you say that the one that his lawyer negotiated with you and then they took some action and they you didn't have to go to court so is it conceivable really to try to do that step but if it goes to court are there is it then some financial fines involved i mean what motivates them from that line loses the property what happens property what happens their fines it goes to court it raises the level you know of the seriousness of the offense so yeah no this is an enforcement action so we negotiated it last time and the select court approved the the settlement um and you know any action has to be approved through the public process by the select court so there'll there'll be transparency involved yes they are anywhere or i mean is it legally bound to house us since that was the original agreement and since he hasn't been able to do so safely and this is the conditions for two years now and we're risking i mean we've already risked plenty of mental health and safety but now being big you know what a feeling solution is to conduct a building what happens to the dozen people that ran from him did you hear all that i missed part of the question that any i heard any responsibility in the part of frank but i wasn't sure i didn't hear for what first place is neglect is there any responsibility where we are able to see any sort of justice and financially so we can figure something else out or does he have to pay for a hotel or to house us somewhere else i mean there's at least a dozen people that i know that rent from this man and if all his properties are taken away or condemned what happens to the people that live there well right now what the the town would do would be to issue the health order to enforce that order it issues beyond that would either require another health order as appropriate or would be private matters the damages between frank and the sentence so how would we speak representation in court to collect damages like that if we're clearly you know not resource enough to do so yeah right now the right now the select force job is to enforce the the health code and you know private damages beyond that you'd have to consult an attorney any final discussion on that motion raise motion with to shorten shorten the date shorten up the time frame and so now it is on or before september 27th 2022 and and i would i would say that's across the board for everything yes none of this may 15th so everything's going to be changed to september 27th so all in favor of that say aye aye okay yeah thanks any other thank you Sasha will be at touch in the morning okay thank you okay you're welcome thanks so much for coming you guys all set with me yes thanks for this is my i'm sure we're going to have a special whether well thanks motion to adjourn the hearing I'll make a motion okay back to the meeting reports and I would say that we need to send the letters so what's that Mary Fleming and the other house there so it's just closed during the day just during the day can walk across it I don't know it's gonna be some kind of a lift so they can do the repairs I'm sure they can walk across I mean you know so the lift is gonna be parked there so I'm sure if they have to walk across yeah I mean if they want to get home yeah I'm sure that so they'll have to work out with the I would think that they said that they could deal with emergencies if there's an emergency somebody needs to go yeah they said 20 minutes yeah it's a long time if it's an emergency right now so it's better off getting off the road yeah yeah but it's just those two times that don't be closed it's starting on the 17th it's gonna be every day that we got Martin stopped in last week and like to know he said that he remembered a meeting where everybody was on site and he was promised some material to get access there's anybody recall that I don't know no material that was the relocation of the tree right I mean this so you can access this land there's a right away from there but it's across the brick where's this I don't know oh yeah it's been going on so long it's oh yeah his access was between the two bloggen houses and now it's above Mr. Rogers house yeah it's not really clearly mark that's well I thought that that was part of the deal I thought the survey was gonna go out market we're gonna cut the trees so everybody knew where it was right that was the plan I remember that yeah yeah that's changes now with this you know time it's gone live so getting it marked is one thing clear trees you said yes I think mr. blogger one time so he was gonna one of those trees or whatever yeah the last thing I have is oh Mandy she sent an email about I guess with COVID they've stopped with putting the flag on every day because of the restrictions I don't know if it's the kids being too close together a lot but she was wondering if there was any ideas for keeping it up and having a light on it principle keeping it up and having a light I know what I use at my house I have the solar ring that goes on the top of the black hole that works I've had it for five years and yeah you can get a man that's a glad place about that yeah works really well I just have to ask one question they usually raise the flag COVID every day they were doing it and now it's starting still even now students being around yeah last thing I have is the websites had a lot of work down to it and I just want to see if you guys have feedback or if you can look at it I look at it today yeah it's definitely easier and what about the Med River TV they're the quest 250 dollars I think they said they tried to but I had I was in the favor of the $28 I don't know if we should go on the other yeah I make the motion that we make a donation of 250 dollars no more discussion one favor say hi hi do you know if that the same deadline on when you need it or in terms of the $250 oh no okay okay radio something everything I got is either from your own or new business okay okay I guess yeah everything else would be under all business so we didn't hear from Clark okay all right so all business discussion okay so now go on a few things I'm at with the ARPA committee last Wednesday their main question is what the support is looking for from them as far as guidance and I pretty much told them that I think we're going to wait till after more best because there's going to be some discussion at more best on the funds and they would they should plan on coming in to see the early sometime in October as far as finalizing any recommendations to the board okay that sounds all right I told you last week there was a discussion we have I just said this is just a rough draft but right now as far as I know in terms of the opera funds is we've got 50,000 to CB fiber right there was some chat this is not committed but maybe using something like a hundred thousand for the tax in our tax reducing the tax well more of a select board fun you know discretionary yeah then we had 25,000 neck of the woods right committed to that 22,000 water very ambulance was for and then possibly using a hundred thousand for the tanker truck so I mean you know we have we've got some of the funds are happening yeah but I think I don't know if the opera committee is aware that's why when they come in yeah I didn't forget about the neck of the woods on that out and it's certainly I can put together a spreadsheet yeah but I do think we said the water very ambulance we would just do it in the budget like we do other this was just drop notes I took one so the sidewalk repair the last time I told you the landowner David so I talked to him today and he's okay with Joe going in and fixing as it is I explained them that we cannot change any of the curbing we're just gonna pour it right to the curbing just like it is and we're just gonna go with it eight it's concrete that should happen Joe I think within the next two weeks now he was all set up to do it and then we had that issue so we went to another job it's gonna be pouring concrete yes yeah so you want to try to pour your base at the same time yeah yeah well that'd be good I think we could work right also was talking to a concrete guy who said he told me so yeah Joe if you want to try work with Joe yeah I don't know Joe's schedule is exactly I say two weeks but yeah that's all I got for old business okay Cal you had some well I guess it's kind of legal trails what's kind of an exit actually put your communications to but there's a vehicle up off one show that's been there it's been reported multiple times it's been reported to the sheriffs they didn't do anything about it per se it's still up there so whoever is it was whoever it was one of their rolled it over smashed all the glass out there's also two nice tire marks so I don't know what I mean it kind of it's not a legal trail but it's a class four issue that we've been going into I thought Sean said maybe the owner was that they recorded to the state police yeah it was reported to the sheriffs it was reported to fishing game because apparently the sheriff's will not do anything on a cross road so you have to report it to fishing game so they were called in I'd like to see it even found the town needs to get rid of this car we've done we think we've had to do it before somebody else's what do you think I mean it's up there but I think if we know who the person is if the town's taken care of it then they should be getting a bill for it I mean I'm not opposed to somebody taking care of it at all but I think if we know who that owner is then we do love her we talked a little bit about Sasha you're gonna say please no one's a junkyard there's also been a lot of loud night traffic of there and it's between two groups of people yes it's either I don't think it's him all the time but it's his friends and acquaintances but it's trucks the ATV's aren't the problem no there hasn't been any between between Chris at one end of the road and there's someone else who lives down in the Berlin section but they have the younger guy and one of his friends will come up but now that we have kept that we supposedly have a contract with the Washington County Sheriff and we can pinpoint activity that we want them to check out tell them this one I don't think they'll do anything more than speed but isn't that what they're doing and I'm pretty sure Steppen had mentioned in a side comment that someone had a fire up there last weekend and left it burning mattresses and box burns I don't want to call him that he said that but if you talk to Monty he will tell you that that road is a wild west and that's what they call it for you but the majority is not bad the majority is not bad it's the handful but I'm just thinking coming into hunting season yeah there's a lot of hunters that go up there yeah there's hunting camps on both sides I mean honestly I'm surprised sergeants haven't called honestly I'm really surprised yeah so I mean how long do we agree as far as getting a tow truck up there to give it a car I'd say just do it haven't said in the middle to work out for now when we ever can track down who did it I mean I don't know I think Steppen knows who it is because I think Steppen reported it the first time so I think Steppen knows who it is or at least as an A because the Sheriff's were gonna go track them down to move it off them I don't think to them you know your neighbor you know something I don't know if a tow truck can even get up there we have to have a tractor and pull it out I guess I mean that is what they did before they pulled the car down the hill and then they cut it for a tow truck and get the rest of it yeah yeah because a tow truck is not gonna make it up there so pull it down to your yard I mean the select point couldn't write a letter to these folks it's how long the behavior is affecting them if Steppen knows who it is I mean we can ask Steppen tomorrow he's going down yeah I want to say Steppen knows who it is alright we'll take some action before it snows I'm sure so you want to talk to Steppen? yeah I'm going to talk to Steppen and see what you find out and what will we do pull it down and put it on a truck or a tow truck and then bring it to the guy and pull it down or something yeah I'll prove it the Hunter had to get $300 for it let's cover the towing maybe let's see if we can find out the owner and then we can talk to Nate about who paid Nate in his tractor up there to get it down where our tow truck could get it yeah you alright? any other, do you have any other old business? no, okay you alright? Don? can you carry along working on some stuff? I don't really have any major updates from the last meeting I forgot a couple things too I might have to go back to old business okay well I want to talk about the pony farm car do we have a letter to point out? no okay do we have a letter for GMP? you're not in power? I didn't know that we were still going to do it because there was more that was found out no, I had it in a minute Tom will work with Sasha composing a letter to the resident that's for this to remind him of the dangers and then to say let's say left a message green mountain power for Jared perhaps going above him should be done and compose another letter to GMP so I don't know if it was definite but that's I mean as I said in that email I don't know how far up you'd have to go but it seems like they're violating environmental laws and there's nobody that really polices it and so on but I think something like this is easy enough I should think take care of so I don't know anyway just let's work on that if you need my help let me know but it did have cars on pony farm yesterday when I came through it was too like right at the end yeah I saw on it it was like somebody had to go around it was like part like right there but the stop sign was like who? what's his name? they were like this it's like ridiculous the fence of those folks I've been by and they have a little small blue car that's they've got it tucked in there is you know free I mean I think they're attempting to I mean I don't know but when they have just two or three cars but the one car is just before their driveway kind of just tucked in there and that doesn't seem that bad but I agree when I've seen two cars there it gets a little dicey they were in the driveway they were in the road again but there were no cars in the driveway when I went by last week and it was just this one car and I watched somebody pull around it to be able to get out to the highway and I thought maybe somebody was sitting in the car there was nobody sitting in the car or anything just there but there was nobody no signs of anybody at the house so I don't know who parked there could be our guests, could be I don't know okay so other old business let's see on the list the tanker truck yes that was interesting that's just sent that was one of the things I so everybody saw that there are used trucks out there and I'm not you know I just want to make sure it's possible that we could get a good used truck you know within fairly quickly right you know just somebody would have to go make a road trip and go look at it somebody that we can count on if we were able to find a truck for half the price and not have to go to China yeah you know Pennsylvania, Massachusetts yeah right yeah you know some place I don't know it might be worth a shot yeah Stephens gone yeah Stephens gone the only thing I worry with that is you're going to finance something that is you know 96 you're looking at 20 something years old and you're going to finance it how like is it going to last through your financing well that's exactly right that's the that's where I'm like in yeah but there was some there was one end it was 2010 or 11 or something I don't know anything about it in terms of whether they would fit the bill in every part of it but if we got a new one it would be you know you get something that's 2010 is it going to last that's already 12 years old is it going to last 10 years, 5 years 12 more years a new one I don't know what you know it seems to be a way at least a longer life expectancy for the town and you're probably having it come with a warranty too so you know I mean it's this pros and cons like anything you buy used right it can be good or but if you can get a $100,000 truck and there's no truck it's $425,000 you could still take a $100,000 truck and put $50,000 into it and still be $200,000 ahead you know just saying but I'll talk definitely some more about it I mean I've got it's just something to think about the tough part is you get someone to be able to expedite that to do the leg work to look at used ones so if it costs $2,000 to have somebody to have somebody be our broker still maybe there's someone out there who does that sort of thing that's true because I don't think you could ask Stefan to start going around looking at so he's got a pretty full plate right now what he is I would think is that selling them around traveling around do you think there's such a thing as a tanker truck brokers that don't go around fighting how we use a tanker I think we would probably find somebody and the other thing I was going to mention was I got the revised proposal from a fight they changed the wording so they're going to do the reclaiming this year and the paving next year but they'll certainly change the prices still the same you can sign this we're all selling that so they're going to strip it this fall and then pave it next year so it'll be it'll be like a gravel road strip it and grade it up and it'll probably be slower than what it is now oh there's like six inches of difference between the shoulder and where I'm driving I did talk over Martin he's in favor of doing it this way good other business are actually for reports of communications like Don and I are actually meeting Peter who's work check who's with stone environmental tomorrow our next storm road project over at the sand pit okay so which well I don't know if she's going to be there or not because she's just accepted another position I know but she's not a time to be another one so maybe she'll be there so that's all that was one of the five projects that they had applied for grant and also Don and I went with Martin regarding moving the flashing sign we talked to them about the crosswalk and the village and it's submitting another but you think that we need to talk with Chris Hunt yeah I found an email I thought maybe we should have a conversation with them as we're working on the permit we have a rough draft of the permit with us right and then it reminds me that I think you and I need to talk to Chris Hunt as well for this at the ready thing or have you talked to him I haven't talked to him I thought we were all set no I mean Cheryl then sent us another thing saying we're not all set and I know you feel that yeah we're still hanging out we have to figure that out maybe I'll try calling you during the week yeah call me tomorrow yeah we can we'll talk tomorrow about the the other thing that's all I had for old business anything else on the list well if there's any way I'm trying to get someone but when we were at the town garage in the back you know I have someone who can but before we do that and I was fortunately there with the tree boy we have there's a maple back there that we don't really need to take down so we need to have someone climb the yellow birch that was the yellow birch yeah there's the yellow birch there I'm not going to argue with the tree guy but we need someone who will cut just do the branches because there's no place you can't get a truck back there with a bucket right I know a guy with tree climbs but like everybody's been really busy so I don't know if anybody else knows someone who said all I know is tree works all I know is that my friend tree works but they do it with buckets and stuff they not necessarily they do everything but they would spend stuff in the town too probably they would have all these they have everything they're not cheap but they're good okay so should we reach out to them or something it's not a big job it's like 10 branches you've got to you've got to climb up the tree together one of the branches is sitting in the peak of the building that's what knocked the trim off it sounds like you need somebody an expert to do it yeah no this guy I have I'll try him again he goes up with ropes and pulleys and all kinds of stuff so just make sure he has the proper insurance exactly okay anything else? new business? okay let's sign away so we all sign this it just takes one of us there she is oh that I thought you looked at the problem we probably all have to sign that I think the health order I have a feeling we'll be meeting next week maybe more tests? yeah cake judges that's what I've heard I'll be the judge I'm not going to be some stiff competition maybe one is making a cake the other one is making a cake and the other one is making a cake okay thank god we don't sign it no I just did that we just signed through the top I'm signing the corrected CV fiber agreement oh that's yours I thought that was Tom it doesn't look like Tom it's clearly an art oh what you used to sign like that it's on my phone oh that was the like it's clearly an art so what's the last scribble but you did say you didn't have your glasses that's not true I make a motion to adjourn second I didn't ask for that let's say hi