 Big shit, big shit, it's a unique hustle, nigga, big shit. Big shit, big shit, big shit, name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle. It's your boy E.C.O. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing official, Mr. Mako. What's going on? None, none, none, none. Man, man, man, look at this guy. Look what the wind and blue in. Look what the wind and blue in, man. Really, I thought the nigga would too big to come back to the boss top, you know? Nigga rolling, man, nigga been working. I see the nigga everywhere, man. Nigga made it 85 size before me. I see the nigga on the backside, 85 size performing and everything else for Carlos and him. I'm like, damn, man. How you been, man, baby, seeing the building? I'm good, man, chilling. Is it happening fast enough for you? It's on its way. So you're working? I'm working. Man, so man, you know, last time, you know, we went down through that so we know a little bit about you now. You know what I'm saying? So, but the work ethic, man, I was kind of nervous about like, how is this guy gonna do? Is he gonna, is he gonna slap back? Is he gonna come on with it, you know? I seen you, I seen you do a lot of spectacular things that I wanna talk to you about, you know what I'm saying? Man, so, man, just tell me a little bit about how it was. I mean, I seen you, was it either opening for Kevin Gates, man? Talk to me about that a little bit. How it happened? You know, my manager put it together. Okay. And then I just understood their assignment, you know what I'm saying? Give me some detail. I don't know, you know, you went out there. You hadn't been in that, had you been in front of that many people before? No, not that many people. Okay, so how was- Were you nervous? Not at all. Really? No, I wasn't at all. The hot boy would say, man, that he was nervous, didn't he, still. He say, hot boy would say he couldn't deal with it, like, when he first did it, but you say you just automatically felt, felt like, damn, I'm about to be here. Well, I'm gonna keep it real, like, it's all about like, when you know what you signed up for, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I signed up to be in front of a lot of people like that. So, you know, and plus I got a gift, so I want to show it to the world anyways. Wow. You know, so I did what I had to do. So, you definitely, how did you feel like you performed? You know, being one that's coming out before Kivengate, you got a lot of hits, man. And you come out, what song did you perform? Was it that main one you sung with, Did Me Wrong? Yeah, Did Me Wrong, yup. How did you feel like the crowd embraced it? They loved it, every time, every show. Really? They loved it. What was the, tell me something that's done happened, right? Since you've been, you know, promoting that song, man, something that you wouldn't have expected. Greatness, a lot of things that happen. Like what? A lot of people, you know. It's like I've been getting noticed a lot more, like, you know, I've been seeing a lot, you know, meeting a lot of people, getting to be at a table with a lot of bosses, you know what I'm saying? You ever had a fan walk up to you and, you know, tell you how much they love your music, how much they love you? Like what's the most touching fan that ever came up to you and said something to you? I mean, I ain't had no, like, most touching fan come up to me and say something. More surprising. Yeah, but I'm not being in like Walmart, like in my city or something, like going out and stuff like that and people would just walk up to me like, you know, and just, you know, in my, I mean, you know, so that is really touching, you know what I'm saying? But I don't have people tell me, like, my messages, like how they, how I really done, you know, helped them out a lot, you know? So that's really touching too, you feel me? So, you know. All right, so, and I seen you, I'm gonna go back a little bit. I seen you at South by Southwest. I seen the police head in handcuffs. I seen you was out there singing in handcuffs, nigga, I don't know if y'all stayed to the one I don't trust you, nigga, in this rap game. So you know what I'm saying? So what was going on with that, nigga? You know, I got to ask you. A lot was gone. It was a lot going on with that, man, you know, but. What happened? A lot. What gave you the audacity to sing, nigga? Right there, you just, dammit, I'm gonna go and say rap right now. I'm like, fuck it, shit, fuck it. It's a stage, huh? Yeah. Everything a stage. You know what I'm saying? They had me paranoid for real. Man, so you, you- Did they tell you to stop singing? Did they try to shut you up? No, one of the police officers was like, I can listen to this all day. No! No, for real. But yeah, you know, that was a crazy moment. Like, that was real. That was for real. I don't know, video, shoot, that was real. Who recorded it? I think it was some of my partners recorded it. I don't know, I really can't put my name up, put my tongue on the name right now. It was one of my partners though. One of them recorded it. How many artists out of North Carolina that's coming up, not the ones already been going like the baby, but I'm new, I saw these stuff, any other new people coming up? It's just you. Yeah, and I asked that, cause I'm gonna be up there. I supposed to be up there close to there. I'll be in South Carolina, which is now I was away, but just who, you know, if somebody I need to shine a light on up there. You know what I'm saying? I'm coming up there for a big race. I don't pay attention to who don't pay attention to me. Me, yeah, I get it. I supposed to be up there with my boys. Shout out Dunk Mouse and all them boys. Carlos Miller and then we all rock it. But definitely man, just the way that you've come on the scene is crazy, right? You got anything you want to add? Cause you know, I keep going. I got dope stuff to ask, you know what I'm saying? No, it's just so crazy. I remember when you were here last, to me, you look like you just grown into who you supposed to be. You're grown into the man you're supposed to be. I see you're physique. You've been working out, trying to, it's crazy cause I haven't been working out at all. That's that young nigga stuff, man. It's because he's grown, he's still grown. How old are you? 21. You're 21, yeah, you still, yeah, he's still, this metabolism rate. I remember nigga, 21 year olds don't really get fat nigga until about, you know what, I'm about 30 nigga. You won't start working out 28, 27. You're not done kids at the house, man, done kids, man. Yeah, so the song is a paranoia, paranoia with that boyfriend there's two times. How did you end up even doing that? Is that another major move by the manager? Yes, that's dope, bro. You know, the thing is about it, you know, when you first went into this thing with this manager, not knowing him, he just called you. I remember our early on conversations, man. He was a hell of a man. He's a manager like hell, ain't he? I told you that from the job, didn't I? I said, that nigga's gonna work now. If he don't do nothing else, he's gonna work, right? Okay, there you go. Man, so how was it? Did you feel like you did your thing when you did the song with it? Yeah, of course. You got it in? 110%. What did he say to you? He was like, he say, well, who say to me? Vanessa Taira. When we was done with the video shoot, he looked at me, he was like, I ain't gonna lie, I ain't gonna lie a little bro, you got one. But that's really all the conversation we had, you know what I'm saying? I really want, you know. Yeah, yeah, we just, you did your part and he did his part, it was business. It was business. That's just dope, though. But still, some things are business. It's something better kept business, nigga. No, for sure. You got something that you're trying to build and where you trying to build it from might not be connected to where somebody else might be building theirs from. But at the end of the day, you're building and sometimes it may not be time right now to even link with a nigga. You might hear, some niggas will slow your production down, hell, everybody ain't for you just cause you hang out with them for a day, either. All this is good stuff for me. I walk off from a nigga in a minute and try to catch up and say, oh, I see your nigga, I'm about to come on with it. Yeah, no, for real. For real? I see you got it cause as time go along, you adding more and more tattoos to your body. So that says, the road to riches. Road to riches. Yeah, tell me about that tattoo. Cause you know, all tattoos that people be putting on have a meaning to it. Tell me about that. Okay, so the road to riches, you know this, obviously like this is a little trap house right here. But I wouldn't say a trap house is like, I really came from like abandoning cribs, you know, like basically broken homes, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, like road to riches, the man walking with the bag up the road. In the end, you can see like my name right here. So it was like, he taken a bag to my name, you know what I'm saying, on the money road. So it's like, you know, I'm not overcame a lot of stuff from this career, you know what I'm saying on this path. So, you know, I really, I really didn't work hard to forget where I'm at. You know, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of loss of sleep. You know, I'd have been through a lot. So I really, I really am on the road to riches, like non-forreal. This here, this. That's a clean tattoo though. Yeah, I like that. I like that. That's dope. What do you want to do far as, what's this? Okay, we in the last, going toward the last quarter, you know, last portion of the year, what, how do you want to end this thing this year? And how do you want to start next year? I don't want to start next year with double XS. You're just going to jump to the end of this year. Yeah, yeah, because this year almost over, you know what I'm saying? So I didn't really accomplish a lot this year. Now I'm main, my main focus is next year. But, you know, we got to get this year like right now. You know what I'm saying? There ain't no time to waste. It's like the clock is ticking right now. Was this year, was this year everything that you thought it would be or more? This year really opened my eyes for a lot. You know, this year really made like, made me be like, okay, so yeah, I can do it. I can do this. You know, like it's destined for real. But next year I want it to be like, okay, yeah, you don't work this hard and this is what you get. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you know, next year I'm shooting for like double XL freshman. I'm just trying to go ahead and jump right into it, man. Cause shit, bro, it's like I said, the time ticking, I don't got no time to waste. Right, cause you know, you have a lot of people who are aspiring to be rappers or out there trying to be and still looking at you and see you rising and trying to, you know, learn from you. So in this past year that you've been hustling and working since you've been on here. Tell me something that happened. Cause you know, when you come into the game, you have expectations. This is what needs to happen in this time, blah, blah, blah. But it don't always go how you think it's gonna go because as time go along, you're learning but you still have your expectations. Is there something that happened that you expected it to go one way but it went the other way during this year? As far as? Anything, your whole career. Um. I wasn't thinking about personally, I'm talking about music is concerned cause there's a lot of rappers, you know, aspiring rappers who's looking at you. Yeah. Um, you know, it's been a lot that I expected it to happen but it went one way, you know, like. Give me an example of one. Like, I expected it to happen. I expected my song with finance two times to do at least, you know, 500,000. I ain't expecting no more of it but it went real far. Like, you know what I'm saying now, I'm at 1.2 million in like three weeks. So that was one that I expected, you know, to at least get to 500,000 but that shit climbed more than that. I was like, damn. You know what I'm saying? Like it was, it was, it was crazy. You know, it was crazy. Does that put pressure on you? Like, because like for me, I know I'm not in the business but when I think of doing something so great, I'm like, man, next time I gotta come harder than that. You know what I mean? Like, does it put pressure on you to do better every single time? Yeah, cause once you make one song, it's like, and it's good and the people listen to it, they gonna want that same energy or more in the next song. So it's like, you just gotta be, you just gotta want it for real. So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pressure for real cause I ain't not having to call my phone every day. See you in the studio, see how many songs you do today, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, it'd be pressure but I understand why, you know what I'm saying? Because you know, he want me to win as much as I want me to win, you know what I'm saying? So he got my best interest right now, you feel me? So, you know, it's pressure, but it's worth it. Cause I hear a lot of rappers talk about they sleep in the studio, you gotta take your toothbrush, your clothes, you gotta stay in the studio 24 sevens. Yeah, I don't do all that. I got kids to go back on to, you know what I'm saying? But you know, I be in there every day, you know? But I try, you know what I'm saying? That's all I can do is try, you feel me? So I be in there, you know, I be coming up with stuff. I be putting down hooks all the time, you know? I ain't that type of person that write a song or write a whole song, but I get a couple hooks out the way, you know what I'm saying? And just feed off my hooks, you know what I'm saying? So it'd be, you know, like it's effort to put in, you know what I'm saying? So like plus my brother, he own a studio. So I'll be, you know, I'll just be going when I want to, you feel me? And it's very important for you to be in your kid's life and spend time with him. Very, I stay with my kids, my kids stay with me. So once you get on tour and moving around, you ain't gonna have no time? Yeah, not at all. Just face down, I'm talking a little bit. You signed up for it, right? Yeah, so you was down at, I seen you down there at 85 South and I seen you again, you know, working. Them boys, I keep seeing that clip popping up, you know, where he was singing, you did me wrong, you know? And then I felt like, I was like, man, you know, he really shopping around, he really marketing, you know, the way he's supposed to, you know what I mean? I love that song. Yeah, that part right there is dope. And then I pushed it out there too a couple of times. Don't play niggas, yeah, I play, I don't play, I play them games over here. When you get on boss talk, niggas a whole different level. Yeah, these niggas don't even realize it. Like niggas, that nigga gonna shine. We gonna make it pop, see? And that's what a lot of people don't realize. You gotta, you can't be scared to be different. You know what I mean? So I just really, man, when I look at what I see in you, I love your humbleness. I say, man, I pray you just keep on staying humble. Most of the big guys, the ones who really, that really is about, you know, about something, about longevity, they had that same demeanor, no cap. You know what I'm saying? Like they don't, nigga don't fake it. He eels who he eels, and he know who he is, and he comfortable in his own skin. That's a fact. You see what I'm saying? That's what's dope about when you don't have much to prove, but you just living in your greatness, and you're doing what God has gifted you with. You know what I'm saying? It's a lot of niggas that they have to do all that, the antics, but you, you one of those guys, I fell from the very beginning when I met you that was genuine. And I think you need to hold on to that. You know what I mean? That genuineness, it permeates the room. And I think that's the part where it's missing cause a lot of people want to do what you're doing, but they don't know how to accomplish that. You see what I'm saying? And that's just for you though. So everything ain't gonna be like you. That's just for you. And I think like when I meet all the greats, like I said, and have met and been in those rooms, there's a certain way that individuals carry themselves. I just say it like that. So just keep being humble, bro. You know what I'm saying? And hungry, you know what I'm saying? I better see you hungry cause that mean you both be posting, you're supposed to be looking at my boy back there. You got that camera out. You're supposed to be working. This is opportunity in here. This is opportunity. You're on boss talk today. We hot right now, nigga. You know what I'm talking about? So at the end of the day, you hear us. So that camera's supposed to be in the room. Somebody's supposed to take something. Boom, it's supposed to be somewhere. I mean, everybody know, we traveling. We just in LA, Chicago, we everywhere. Earth is our turf. You know what I'm saying? So we, we about to be up by your town. So the thing is that's, that's pushing. That's moving. That's doing it. But then I need to see it. Because everything you do now, like you was doing before, I need to see it. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, and then your manager, he interviewed more better than the niggas that he's trying to cover. This nigga is the best. The interview, he niggas. This nigga here gonna tell you some stories. Did he be watching his interviews? I mean, you know, I ain't gonna lie. See, when I was first starting to get to know him, I was watching his interviews, but it's to the point where like, I know him now. So it's like, you know, it's cool. You know, I know what he, I know what he, I know what he about, you know what I'm saying? But, but if I run across it, if I run, if I run across it. Go ahead. Nah, the tacos. I just don't want that smell. Yeah, them tacos. Nah, them niggas trying to bring them tacos in here. Yeah, it's on. Okay, man, block the tacos at the door, my nigga. Block the tacos at the door. The niggas is trying to eat tacos in there and blow the whole damn place up. Yeah. Them hoaxes selling us the tacos over there, buddy. Yeah, them shit's good as fuck too. I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, everybody be talking about them tacos right now. Yeah, man. But you know, on the real, man, like I said, man, you definitely on your way, I can't do nothing, but just praise you and watch and see what comes next. And I'm very, very excited about what's going on with you, you know what I mean? Yeah, appreciate it. To see you go from, like I said, go from us and then once you leave, the video came out, but did you wrong? And then after that, I ended up seeing you, like I said, Kevin Gates, you was doing the, you know, you was opening for Kevin Gates. And then after that, I see you, I think it was maybe before I, I might have switched up to South by Southwest Day. And then I see, am I missing something? Cause yeah, I'm watching, you know what I mean? But you did a lot. You did a song. You did a song with the rest. No, I ain't did a song with them, but you know, I was in the same room with them. That's my nigga. You know, he been on boss talk. Yeah. Yeah, man. I rock with that nigga. As a matter of fact, I need to call him cause we feel to be down in the ATL. I need to call him. I want to do another interview with him. Just like you, I'm back though, y'all niggas. The ones I rock with, I rock with. I don't really rock with a whole bunch of niggas. Really? It looks like they, I'm interviewing everybody. But like Fab Pim just left here, I doubled down, you know what I'm saying? So how do you like the, you've been coming around the Dallas area and watching the music scene. You see the differences, but then you see the waves, man. How are you dealing with all of this, man? I love the Dallas music scene. Just a lot of people out here that sound like the same people, you know what I'm saying? Really? Yeah, it's just, you know, but as far as that is, I love it. Yeah. You sound different than them though, but then how often do people say you sound like Kevin Gates? A lot. A lot. Do you know how you deal with that? It don't know of me, you know, but it's like, I'm trying to sound like me, you know what I'm saying? People just trying to put another man off on me, you know, but you know, it's- They do that though. It's just the raspiness and it's just the deep voice, you know, but far as that- That's a good person to be compared to because that nigga be working. Yeah. That nigga be working. Like I said, with him, you did get to talk with him and everything, right? How was those conversations? Did it give you any pointers, something that you could share with us? I mean, it's like, I ain't, you know, I was in the same room with him, you know, we greeted, you know, it was all love, but I ain't like, when I go out and get to talk to him, I don't really, like, I don't really try to talk too much. You trying to keep your cool? Yeah, I try to keep my cool, you know what I'm saying? So, you know- But I like that. And the reason I like that is because if it's meant to be, if it's organic, that nigga know who he is and you know who you are. So whoever the nigga may be, not just Kim Gates, but that go for any nigga you in the room with. If you been in these rooms a long time and you like a T.I. Or if you like a Boosie or if you're on the level of these niggas, they know you young and you coming into the game. So if they see something in you, then they, you know, automatically it's going to be organic. You ain't going to have to force it. Am I right? Right. So I definitely, I see why you say what you just said. I just wanted to double down on it. But then for me, I have a different opinion on that. Here we go. My opinion on that is I understand keeping it cool, but as I got older and realized certain things, when you in the room with certain people, especially people who've been in the industry or have a certain amount of money or whatever, and that's what you're trying to gain, I would say approach, find out as much information as you can. It's not that you're fanning out, you're not fanning out, but you're trying to gain knowledge. So you can know how to take the certain steps to get where they are and even above. If you have your mouth closed and you're not talking to these people, you're not gaining no information. Yes, you can observe, but you can learn so much more by asking questions and observing. That's what gutter TV says. You see what I mean? You know that gutter TV is on what you own. But I'm on something different, I'm a leader. So at the end of the day, some niggas don't want no niggas around. They got all these niggas in the room with them. You in there, you trying not to disrespect nobody and you damn sure ain't gonna take no disrespect. So you got to be careful on how you move in that room. Yeah, plus they had their own thing going on when I was in there, you know what I'm saying? Well, I'm not just like, so this could be any scenario, but I'm just saying, you know what I'm saying? But every scenario is they keep, it'd be like it's dudes in here right now with you. Niggas don't know what you own. You might not want no nigga talking to you. So it's kind of like you watching everything because there is a certain trust factor that you have to be willing to deal with while you're dealing with everybody in this new, I've been in these rooms. So a lot of these niggas, I ain't approach these niggas because I ain't, you know, first of all, I had my own thing going. So I'm trying to figure out how I'm gonna rock this hope. You know what I'm saying? I ain't rapping nigga, but I got something going. Nigga, nigga, I'm gonna hurt you nigga with this sauce, you know what I'm saying? But I get it though, you know, I get where she coming from as well because there have been people that I did need to talk to and I had to approach. So there was a time the Bible say in a place for everything, you know what I'm saying? There's a time for everything. So you just have to walk by the spirit, man. You have to walk by faith. You gotta know whether it's something that is for you. And if it's for you, God ain't gonna let it pass you no way. It are. Am I right? You're right. Do you agree with that? Yes. All right then, look like we're working over here. I got a question. Do you think R&B is dead? What? Nigga will stop playing. Y'all better. R&B ain't dead. Well, it ain't live like it used to be, but nigga, yeah, we'll turn on some, what you mean? They ain't making it mean? Cause I know Pete did it, came out and he said on, you know, Twitter, put it out, who killed R&B? You know what I mean? And a lot of his fans and everybody's like, you know, they still love R&B. No, you don't hear it. And dad, but. You don't hear it like that. You don't hear it like he used to. You see what I mean? So, but that even pushed a collab right now. He's in studio with Dr. Drape doing work right now because of that statement. Well, all I'm saying is, you see what happened? Hell, you know, yeah, where'd Genuine at? Nigga, where are them niggas at? H-Town, where do you niggas at? Where's Jody's at? Where do you at? What are you at, what are you at, what are you at? What's Brian McKnight? He used to come out and shout out. Like these niggas ain't making the music no more. Then you got young niggas out here at the nigga, what was that nigga, Jeremiah? You got what's the other young niggas that you do it? Well, Chris Brown out here, but he's saying, pop. He done went pop-ish, because he know that money over there, I don't blame that nigga though. So, man, thank you for coming on this show, man. We just glad to have you, bro. Like I said, anytime you in Texas, I know you from North Carolina, but anytime you in Texas, man, you gotta stop by Boss Talk 101, man. You know what I'm saying? We try to catch on, get on the wave early on. You know, we want to make a show that we locked in with you. You know what I'm saying? So that was important for us coming on. We was new. You was new. It just, it just worked. You know what I'm saying? No, that's a fact. Anybody want to shout out? How can people get a hold of you if they trying to lock in with you? You can follow me on Instagram at the realbabc, T-H-A-R-E-A-L-B-A-B-Y-C. What? Did this nigga back in my shop? I can't believe this, man. They got a chain on now. I'm proud of you. All right, I'm going to holler at you in a minute, but anyway. I want to know, you going to sing something for me? Yeah, paranoid. Let's go. Give me that hook or something. I know you rocked that, though. The streets got me paranoid. I'm keeping my pole on me. Pulled by me, no love in the streets. Why are them folks going to tell on me? In jail, I'll be. My kids made me stronger. Without them, what would I be? Nobody. It won't be longer, where I'm going to be, where I want to be. The streets got me paranoid. I'm keeping my pole on me. Pulled by me, no love in the streets. Why are them folks going to tell on me? In jail, I'll be. In love with that chopper. I'm keeping it on me. I tell if you going to D.I.E. It won't be longer, where I'm going to be, where I want to be. Ain't no stopping me. Hey, man, listen, man. Y'all see what's going down, man. Baby, she in the building, man. Hey, you ain't heard nothing like that on the mics, man. Y'all better respect it, nigga. Respect it, this nigga. Hey, man, listen to the song, nigga. Listen to the song. Man, thank you so much, man. My pleasure, man. Say, man, we love you, bro. And I appreciate you for coming over and checking in with us, right? Did you get everything out, this nigga? You got to go back in North Carolina, right? Now, nigga, you got to go right now. You had it back. You're a little... The niggas on these planes, man. How you like just chopping on these planes now, all this left? That shit is horrible, man. Come on. Especially if it's delayed. Oh, man. What you got to do, though, man. You know, he going over there where you had to hop planes and go here in the layovers and all that. I hate that, bro. That's one thing. When I was booking a flight... You going straight flights. Let me tell you, when I was... My longest layover was 11 hours drive, damn. Why is that? Because I was looking up... We were looking up flights for South Carolina. There's no straight flights. There's like... You have like one or two layovers and you take almost all day to get there. I'm like, that's ridiculous. So I said, I'm going to drive. I got time for that, bro. Yeah, we're going to drive. Yeah, I don't only be in... See, when I go to South Carolina, I only go there to go to the beach. Yeah, Myrtle Beach. Yeah. Are the beach pretty? Very pretty. Everybody go to the beach. I'm going to check it out, nigga. You ain't said nothing but a word, nigga. You take me around the truck down there. I'm going down there and see what's going on at that Myrtle Beach. Like Miami pretty? Pretty like Miami? No, not Miami pretty. Yeah, I went to Miami. That changed my life. I ain't going to lie. I'm like, hey, boy, let's go. South Beach, stay away from South Beach. You two damn youngs will be going over there in South Beach like that. Yo, I should catch me on the ocean now. Thank you, baby. See, man, we love you, bro. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101 where the bosses talk. Yes.