 for specialist people. Have you played any of the Call of Duty games since Black Ops 3? I played Modern Warfare. Well, Modern Warfare had a specialist, didn't it? It had people. It had different people with different capabilities, right? They had tiny differences. Maybe I can't remember much about that. I can't remember much about it either, but I'm pretty sure a lot of Call of Duty's have it where it's like you play as this person, this specific character who has a name and like they have this set of abilities. Yeah, they have like basically like an ultimate almost, like a grenade launcher or whatever. Something like that, like a unique trait. And I think how they do it in the new battlefield is when you take the medic gadgets, I guess, because there's not a medic class. We only have assault, engineer, recon and support, I think it was. That's what it used to be, yeah. I think that's what it is. I don't think it is what it is. I think that the idea was pretty sure that it is what it is now. Let me see. Go check again, but I'm pretty sure I've seen something that's the case. I remember it was on the EA website, which I seldom visit. Let me see if I can, yeah, where it's like, there you go. Discover more. Where is it? I don't want to read about your lore, all right? I don't, where is it? The lore for multiplayer only game, yeah, that's useful. That'll feel lore. I'm okay with that. It's just that I thought, Now, the problem is like, I read seven maps and the instinct is that's less than they used to be, but these are bigger, but you don't have a campaign. So like, you know, So where did all that effort go? Yeah, so they have, I'm worried. I'm specialist. Because I'm definitely not a more Greek or better guy. So specialist, choose your role on the battlefield and form custom made squads through the new specialist system based on battlefields for classes. Specialists have one unique specialty and traits, but the rest of the loadout is fully customizable. Okay, okay. So this is the, so obviously the big problem is that everyone's just going to be running around with the best weapon all the time. Yep. Yeah. Like everyone's just going to be running around with, it was going to be an assault rifle. Maybe a sniper rifle, but it's almost always going to be an assault rifle because those are just the best. That's really my concern is that I don't know how well you can balance this game if it is this way. I don't think you can. I mean, maybe you can in theory, but I don't think there'll be the way as well, because I'm pretty sure you know about that. It's 128 player matches now. So it's twice the size of the original. I don't know how big the maps are really going to be because they did say they're going to be big. I've never been tempted by player size. It's never been something that makes me go like, oh yeah, that'll be great. I'm always like, hmm. I think my concern with the player size is like, so rush is gone. Like there's, you can't do rush when there are 64 players on each team. That seems like impossible to me. I don't, because I, there has to be like, maybe restrict the player size for different play styles. If you're going to rush with 128 people, then there has to be, I mean off the top of my head, maybe instead of two objectives, you have to attack. There's like four and you have to get two of the four. So I guess they're not all mandatory because rush, the problem with rush is it becomes an absolute clusterfuck near the singular point that you're trying to arm when there's that many people. Squad rush works beautifully, but they took that out because they're dumb. And so normal rush, unfortunately is you have to do, or they just, or they just make the objectives actual, like they mix up the objectives and you have to do a variety of different things. It's not just arm bomb at this point, blow it up. It's, it's worth something, something worth mentioning is that I think conquest is now being changed to where there aren't like points. There are points within a broader sector. And so if you capture the majority of the points in a sector, that will give you that particular point. So the idea of like dividing it down more and more, which I think they have, these maps are really big. Like I saw a, there's like a map set in the deserts like Doha or something. And there's a stadium and off in the distance are a bunch of skyscrapers. And those are part of the map too. Yeah. It's like a huge place space. They have to be 128 people. Like the stadium, for example, is like in a one and a two, but you have to capture it to have all the points to own the complete like huge. And I guess it's like, that's, that's cool. I just, man, like, I wonder about balancing when do you have so many? Yeah, it's like carbines. So those are dead. Because why would you fucking ever have a carbine when you can have a proper assault rifle? Which is why would you really like the carbines? They're really fun. Most of the light machine guns. Fuck that. I'll just have an assault rifle. DMRs. Well, fuck that. I'll just have an assault rifle. Maybe, maybe an S may be an SMG, but even then, it's almost always gonna. Yeah, the maps being bigger and bigger, like shotguns and SMGs. Oh, man, you better design these maps to where those are gonna be viable weapons. Because if I don't, like if I'm an engineer, I'm not an engineer because I have a submachine gun. I'm an engineer because I have a rocket launcher and a repair tool. Like it's the tools that a class has is what the class is. Or at least that should be the focus. Because of the four specialists, one of them has a grappling hook and is apparently nimble. That's their trait. One of them has a thing that fires healing rounds, people. And there's a combat surgeon so they can down allies. So we can revive people from afar, which is probably not going to be annoying at all because people tend to just revive you while you're being shot at. Yeah, so being able to revive people, like in battlefield one, it was overpowered and it needed to be toned. Battlefield four kind of did it like really, really, really well. Battlefield one had revival as it was overpowered in battlefield one. So they went backwards in terms of balancing. And it's insanely powerful, the ability to revive people and you could just medic train yourself to victory. Yeah, I being able to revive people at distance. That's insane to me. Well, wait until it comes out, right? It might be great. It might all be great. Big takeaway is live service. We're taking a new approach to the live service of a battlefield game where players will be given the services and evolution they've come to expect from modern multiplayer games while all aimed at keeping the community playing together for years to come. We'll be evolving our world and expanding on the fiction through seasons. Now, this is going to be a bit of a tangent, but like, I got to tell you, I really hate what battle passes and like microtransactions have done to art styles and narrative. I hate it so much. Like I low that I briefly looked at those like story beats for the modern warfare war zone thing. It's like this is retarded like this can't be canon. Like I don't see how this could be canon in the same universe as the actual game itself. It's just this vague, unclear story where characters who were dead up. No, they weren't dead. They're back because we want to sell them to you because you like them so much. So we're going to sell them to you. And then in terms of the art style, it's like, Hey, man, it's pretty weird that these people are running around in these elaborate extravagant costumes instead of military gear. But people want the extravagant stuff because it looks cooler. They want to stand out. So it's like you have a game that in terms of story is completely absurd, because it's a multiplayer game that isn't really like the principal goal is make money by selling people stuff. And then the consequence of that is that there is no it doesn't it's not diagetic in any way. Nothing is authentic or real. It's a video game world where things are just absurd and ridiculous because that's what people want for themselves. Um, and I hate it, but, uh, crazy neon wacky camos and people want Katana's on their backs and people want all this weird shit and nothing matches anything. I want lasers. Nope. And then, yeah, so there are going to be seasons each one lasting three months. So in the first year, there was planned to be four seasons for battle pass, four new specials and like new maps. And then they're going to keep going forever because I want to use it. Don't want to use it for, uh, they just want to keep it going and going. And I guess that's what I'm concerned about is I honestly get the impression it's like, man, you guys had three years. Um, and like, I wonder there's no campaign, which I'm fine with, which I'm totally fine with because battle for the campaign and normally extremely forgettable and not at all worth it. Um, but didn't have a campaign per se as well, right? Was like those chappers had the mini ones, but I'm okay with getting rid of those, if it means more content, but like, I don't know that there will be more content. I know that the maps sound like there's more content. It sounds like there's more things to buy. Yes. Well, because you should make a video about marketing transactions. No, that's the point. The other guy did one, the green dude. I just, that trailer was really cool. And like, there are things about the game that could be cool, you know, in terms of like dynamic weather, that's really cool. You know what? I thought the trailer was pretty fucking cheap. It's like, oh, look at all these only in battlefield moments. Look how we know the community, right? The rocket flying up in the air. Thunder has said, uh, if you get the gold or ultimate edition, you get to play a game a week early. That's awesome. Everyone should pre-order. Yeah, you get early access to the open beta. No, I can play that and you can tell me how it is. And maybe a week later, maybe I'll play it if it's good. EA have been doing this for years at this point where if you pre-order it or you have like origin access or whatever it's called, that you get to play the game a week early. They've been doing this for ages and this system. Why can't you be? Yeah, one of the recent game, maybe a couple of years ago, they did a whole like literal spreadsheet of all the different versions of their release and which dates you could play and what you could get and everything like that. It's like, you have to make a spreadsheet. You're doing that. Yeah, it was anthem. I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway. Yeah, so I don't know. My hopes are not high at all for battlefield. Yeah, I'm pretty low. Oh man. And they were claiming that tiny ladder the other day. Oh, I just pulled up their big war thing. This is, now remember, they said this game is not political. European Union officially disbands following Germany's collapse. The rise of the no-pats left behind the displaced band together into ragtag fleets in search of safe harbour. They're called the non-patrioted. They call themselves no-pats. It's like, are you serious? Like, I'm fine with you doing this, but like, don't pretend like this. There's no political like elements to any of this at all. But what does this even mean in a multiplayer game? How do you not belong to a country? Well, yeah, you said this game can be heard. Everywhere's taken. Sorry. The war, the war. Field 2042 is basically that like global warming has completely just gone out of control, and now like the world is pretty tumultuous. Which again, that's like a cool premise. I guess it's, can you just be more honest? Like, it's political. That's fine. That's cool. But like, maybe this is just a matter of definitions and using the right words in the right places. I think it's optics. I think it's just, they know that the majority of people who want to play this game are probably going to be turned off if you say that there is like political commentary in it. Yeah, that's it. I think it's miscommunication, right? Where people say we don't want politics in our stories. It's like, you don't actually mean that. What you mean is, you don't like the way that it's presented. Yeah, I don't want a pretty shitty message shut down my throat. And that's like, that's a totally legitimate thing to say. But like, you don't actually want a world where media has no political commentary in it at all. You don't want that. Look, if the message is about our carbon footprint, I just want Mother Nature to be the boss at the end of the multiplayer maps. It comes out. The final boss. We have to kill nature. I don't know. It's like, it's a little bold. Is the evolution again happening? She has, she likes fires vines at you and you have to shoot them off your friends and stuff. It'd be great. Sounds awesome. Yeah, I'm doing this especially with global warming and stuff. When it's implemented in new video games, it's, it just can't help, but just be really, really preachy. Like they did an expansion for Civ 6. And I just couldn't stop laughing when Genghis Khan was like, you should really lower your carbon footprint. And I'm like, should have Genghis Khan. Didn't you kill like six trillion people? Oh, my God. Oh, does that make him wrong? Is that bad low blow? But yeah, what about it? So yeah, it's a wonderful day talking about some battlefields as we have people pop in. We got so many different things have been happening, but there's someone I wanted to talk about first. The first thing, a thing first. I'm probably going to read out the second thing. So I guess, you know, I leave this one to Rags. Do you want it or Fringy? I don't know either of you. This one is from the subreddit. And it's just, it just, well, if you want to read the whole thing, then we can have a chat about it. All right. This says this is, I guess, from the subreddit here. Yes. Because watching EFAP and seeing discussion on this subreddit has made me insecure about my own writing. One of the reasons I gravitated towards EFAP to the degree that I have these days is because I'm trying to become a writer. I've nearly finished the first draft of my first book, but it's incredibly rough. And I can already tell that it's going to need plenty of redrafting. Entire plot points altered or straight up removed. However, recently, I've been doubting my ability to craft something well written. From reading this subreddit alone, I've discovered a lot of flaws and things that I thought were well written. Some I still believe are, but I still didn't notice the flaws until they were pointed out. I've spent a long time developing everything. Characters, world, and even history. And I want it all to come together, but I'm constantly worrying that there's something I've missed. To anyone on this subreddit who is a writer or even has an interest in writing, how do you deal with this problem? Well, well. There's a lot of ways to address this, but I suppose the umbrella concern that I think is being raised here is like, wow, if we're always going to be able to find stuff that's wrong with our stuff, why even try just having that thought in your head, not that it's a definitive truth. Just it's hanging out there. It's a little goblin. And so what do we have to say to it? I think so my thought on it is that the process that is espoused here is difficult. And it will make it harder to write something because you're more tuned into things that could be wrong with your story. And that can be demoralizing. But ultimately, I think it's worth it because when you do write something, it's just more likely to be good because you're keeping an eye out for the problems that you might have otherwise overlooked if you weren't following the process. And I guess if the concern is there's stuff that people have noticed that I'm not noticing, like, oh, shit, are there things that I'm not even noticing in my own work? It's probably always worthwhile to get other people's perspectives of people who you trust to take a look at it. Maybe they'll see something that you didn't see. And of course, that's valuable in terms of gauging how people are responding to it, which is also a relevant part of it. But I think it's just keep at it. Keep working at it. Keep going over your story with a fine tooth comb. It's going to be painful. But it'll yield better work ultimately, which should be the most important thing. Yeah, so if you have a vision, like the fact that you're already completing work is a great sign, by the way. That's one of the most important parts. But if you're just chipping away with it at that point, for example, you have a big block of stone and you've managed to carve what looks kind of like a guy. It's a bit wonky, though. Now you can just start chiseling. Like, that's a good process you're on there. And the thing is this lens, this approach, however you want to call it, that we all try to employ in the EFAP sphere. A lot of writers won't be. And so the dichotomy is like, who's the writer that's better off? The one who writes the story and then goes, oh man, he wouldn't have the bullets to be able to shoot and save all those people in that scene. Eh, whatever. Nobody's going to care. That's fine. This is right. So I'm going to have to go back and give him the ammo he needs, or he's going to have to use something else to achieve. Like, you solve that problem. And so writer A is already publishing that book and being like, yeah, check it out. And then you're stuck in your room, fiddling away, trying to get those problems solved. And so there's maybe a sense of like, oh, I'm going to slow down significantly and I don't even know that I can complete these stories or solve these problems. Like, having any sense of scrutinization on your own work, as well as a desire to solve problems is like, wow, you already massively steps ahead of the people who have no idea they even exist. And I would imagine that would give you some level of confidence. But like I said, getting to final drafts and then correcting things as you go along, you'll always have that finished piece at that point and then just test it out on people and stuff. And I guess I look at this, like I wonder if it's connected to Winter Soldier to some degree, because this was posted soon after that happened. And it's like, man, discovering a lot of flaws and stuff that I thought was well written. And it's just like, yeah. And look how successful they end up being regardless. Like, you'll be okay if you're working with stuff with a sense of trying to maintain all of the stakes with the grounded realities that started in the content that you created yourself. I feel like you're already going to be a step up on a lot of the content that you thought was fantastic to begin with and inspired you. So I would take that as a bolstering of your potential rather than something that brings you down. I think that's the key part in terms of it's all process oriented. It's just focus on the process, not the outcome or like even how it makes you feel while you're doing it. The process is valuable. And if you can focus on the process, you won't care so much that like you look around and there are other people who are doing things faster and getting stuff out quicker and getting all the accolades because at the end of the day, it's all about creating the best story that you can and whatever that means that you need to do when you're writing it, you just got to do it. It's really important in terms of creating something. I guess that's the thing is you're not, in terms of the quality of your output, it's not going to be detrimental to follow that process of just looking for inconsistencies. You're not going to, it's not going to harm you at least creatively to be doing that. You might be slower, but nobody really cares how hard you worked on something. All they care about is how it turned out at the end. Like they don't care that you wanted to get it out this year or that you had bills to pay or that there was a deadline that you needed to meet. All that shows up at the end of the day is the end product. It's just focus on that, like creating the best thing that you can. I agree with that too, because I mean, I think we're all fans of redrafting and I kind of consider redrafting, like this last script I did, I probably did 10 full redrafts of it. I'm sure that you guys have done as many or more in your various videos and things like that. And one thing that's nice about redrafting is kind of like watching a movie, you watch a movie all the way through and you're like, wow, that was great. And then you watch it again, you're like, wait a second. And then you watch it again, you're like, oh, that doesn't make any sense or watch again. It's like, oh, that's what explained this. And then so redrafting is a way to just kind of, if you can try to read through it again from the perspective of a consumer, a way of just like picking out those plot holes and noticing things and noticing a continuity or something you introduced at the last 100 pages that don't correlate to something you introduced at the beginning. So redrafts can be a great way just kind of combing through that, get somebody else to give you feedback on something. One thing I find really, really useful, for example, because it's really hard to just look at a bunch of text after you've written it and rewritten it and rewritten it. So sometimes what I'll do is I'll just throw it on a text-to-speech reader. And so it's kind of like, if you don't have somebody to read it out to you, you can have a robot read it out to you and it's not perfect, but it is really, really effective, I find, just to kind of get the words to be regurgitated back to you. And you'll quite often notice other issues. You've like, wait a second, that's wrong. Or that's not how I've described that before. I described it as a black and obsidian-like in chapter six where I talk about it as jet-mat purple or something like that, another story or whatever. So yeah, joffery, joffery, joff, but also I know it can be kind of discouraging if you're aiming for perfection. It can be discouraging, but in the end, I mean, from my perspective, and it's been kind of a trope, but I do consider done better than perfect. Like, do the best you can, draft, check your references, make sure continuity consistency is best you can. But in the end, you're probably not gonna be George R.R. Martin on your first book. Maybe you will, maybe you won't, but it'll be a learning experience out of the way. So do the best you can, do your due diligence, get feedback, listen to feedback. Even your worst critics can sometimes bring up a good point. Don't just dismiss it because they're a jerk or an asshole. Just try to improve, work on improving and don't get discouraged if you don't get 100% the first time. But the best thing you can do is just work at it and do the best you can and improve as things are brought up, like character inconsistency, lack of world building or whatever. And obviously it's a lot easier to work with nonfiction or documentary kind of stuff because you have a reference for everything. You know exactly the answer to every single part of your story. Whereas when you're doing fiction, you know you don't. So part of, one big part of that is to just research every aspect of your world. Like, if you have a question, oh, how should this go? It's like, okay, well, in my world, how is that? Are these countries at war? Are they peace? Is this language composed of phonetic sounds or conceptual concepts? Just answer all these questions. And any, for example, sci-fi or fantasy author with assault will have essentially a lore or world building notebook that won't ever get published. That's essentially what the Silmarillion was. It wasn't meant to be published. It was basically a notebook that Tolkien used to reference to whenever he had a question about his world. Because your fictional world doesn't have an encyclopedia. It doesn't have a Wikipedia. It doesn't have any of that. You have to invent it. But if you invent that and you keep it consistent, you'll have something to reference to. So that can be a really useful tool as well. But yeah, again, like getting it done as well as you can, listening to feedback, doing it better next time. That's probably the best advice I could give. And knowing that you won't be the best or that you know because of your inability to spot flaws in other content, there will be flaws in your own content, is no reason not to complete projects. Absolutely. I wouldn't want that to stop you in any way, shape or form. Like some of the stuff that people say is my best stuff. I'm often like, oh man, that's the one with the... Yeah, no, yeah, that's great. I'm glad you enjoyed it. That's good stuff. It is hard to know how people respond to something you've made. I think the thing to emphasize above all is it's a process. It's the process is the important part. Whether or not that yields the best story, even though it's more likely that following the process will yield the best story, you've got to focus on just the process of writing, of outlining, developing characters, world building, figuring out the beats, what themes you want to have. Focus on the process and almost trust that the process will ultimately lead you to the best story that you can write. And that doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to be a flawless story because we're all humans. There's things that we just don't catch, things that we overlook. I mean, that's the common thing of you can just be working on something and then you're halfway through it and you realize that something you assumed would work just doesn't work at all. Then it might mean that you need to redo the whole thing over again, or that you might even need to, if worse comes to worse, the idea is unfixable. I'm not sure that there is such a thing like there can always be a radical change you can make, but even if it means that the story that you're working on, it's just irredeemable. You can't do it and you need to start over again. That's okay because the process will yield a better piece of work altogether. And go easy on yourself to a certain extent. I think there's the quote, takes 10,000 hours to become an expert at something. You wouldn't expect your first book to be your best book, but finishing that project and even releasing it if you're totally happy with it, all of this is leading towards, hopefully, better and better stuff as long as you just follow the process, just follow the process. That's all there is to it. It's advice I should take myself, but it's really hard. It can be really hard. I totally, if it makes you feel any better, because I think the person who wrote the post is watching at the moment. I can totally relate to the feeling of like, God damn, it's just not working. Fuck me, these issues. God damn it, they just keep, like I'm finding it so hard. Why is it that I can see in other stuff, all of these issues and the ways that they could make it better, or that I can understand why these good stories work, but I just can't emulate it. There's something wrong with me. I'm a fucking idiot. Go easy on yourself. Maybe you're not telling yourself that. Maybe you're not as harsh towards yourself as I am, but just the process. Just get back on the process. That's all you can do. Yeah, you're going to be all right. As one of the top comments in this thread said, Lord of the Rings as mighty as it is, still has flaws, like don't worry. Yeah, I don't know that there was such a thing as a flawless story other than Bill went to the shop to get a sausage roll and he came home and ate it. It was a good day at the end. I don't know that you would make something on the scale of Lord of the Rings flawless. It's so hard for one person to be able to keep track of all of that and not have a single, even perceived contradiction, right? Because if there was something that could be thoroughly explained, if most of the people who read it don't understand that, then it will be a perceived contradiction regardless. And you're just like, oh, damn. Yeah, it's like the whole Eagles thing, like you could explain away why the Eagles aren't a viable solution, but it isn't technically addressed or even lampshaded in the writing. So that comes up as a problem. It's like, hey, we're getting off got away with the Eagles, why don't I just use the Eagles? And it's like, oh, there's probably a lot of good explanations, but the book doesn't address them. So that's a perceived flaw for sure. I think the book we're talking about writing also does here. Go ahead. The book more so does, but the film's certainly less so, I think. That could be wrong on that. I can't remember. It's been so long since I've read the books. I bought a copy recently, a pretty good one, just so that I could have one around. But so many details from the books that I just don't remember, because there's so much to remember in there. We were talking about, you guys were talking about writing. And on Gimp right now, this is the image that I'm using for my video, because the person who's giving writing advice is saying, trust your instincts. I'm like, so that's shitty advice. It is not good advice to trust your gut. It's like that. It feels incomplete advice to me. Yeah, it's the extra credits. One we covered where he says, when he talks about writing, he says, you need to trust your instincts when you make good writing. That's such a useful statement. Constantly redraft constantly. Like writing's hard. Writing is, it's hard to come up with complicated worlds and fictional universes and whatnot that are internally consistent and super logical. And they all work and it all sort of makes sense. It's difficult. It's not easy. And it requires a lot of, I know when I was, when I would fiddle around with writing, I would make a page that was dedicated to, here, every time, every time I would come, I would make something, a character, or every time I'd write a new name for a place, I would go to that other word file or whatever. All right, character, Jim. That says the brief synopsis of Jim. And then he would always be there. So I was like, okay, that's Jim. And I can always add to it later. I can always change stuff later, but they're boom, that's Jim. And whenever I reference an object or a phenomenon or a place, then boom, it's right there. Estonia or whatever. Okay, it's here. It's next to that stuff. Okay, excellent. And so it's always there I can go back to if I want to remind myself of an aim or something like that, even in a simple level, just doing it all from memory sounds dumb. Really hard. Yeah, don't do that. I think that's what you've just highlighted is the thing you just got to get used to is that a lot of creativity, I think there is a very romanticized version of all creative crafts and especially writing. It is not a magical or fun pro, like it can be a fun process, but it's not like this magical process of just, oh, the words are just spilling out onto the page beautifully. Yeah, it's an amazing story onto my table. It's just fantasy. Like the reality is, I think, at least in my experience, that I find it very hard to look at the stuff that I've made and just enjoy it because I know what the process was and I had to think about it a lot more than I want people to have to think about it because the work that you're putting in to make it work, you want this story to come across as though it's just a thing that happened. That's like you've achieved the goal of storytelling. If when somebody else looks at your story, views it, reads it, it just feels natural, but it wasn't natural. It was actually very clinical. Like you were figuring out each beat and trying to think about how it connects to theme or how it advances character and you had to think about that in a very clinical matter of fact way and you need to do that in order to make sure that the reader doesn't have to think about any of that. It all just makes sense to them. They can see these people as real people, these events as real events that happen. A connects to B connects to C and it just makes sense and they don't have to think about everything that you had to think about to make that work. And I think the quicker, and I'm kind of talking to myself now, the quicker you accept that that's the process, that that's just the nature of it, the easier it'll be to deal with to deal with the stresses and the insecurities that come from trying to write a story. Yeah, and I think we mentioned, you know, he's obviously not persona, he's persona non grata right now, but I think we can all agree that he's written some good things in the past. Joss Whedon had a quote a while back, I remember reading where he said, if you're stuck, you know, you can't get out of a certain hole in your writing is to kill your favorite scene. Now, you can interpret that different ways how I interpreted it is that kind of like the opposite of that quote that Ragh shared where, you know, your instincts may be actually getting you stuck. You know, you may have some real strong personal attachment to one aspect of your story or one particular moment or payoff, but that may actually be the problem. Writing emotionally, yeah. Yeah, you may have like, oh my God, it's got to end this way, so and so, you know, but I can't figure out how to make that work. And it's like, maybe it shouldn't end that way. Maybe maybe this particular connection you see or this particular payoff to this story beat isn't, maybe that's wrong. Maybe your favorite scene where you love that dialogue or you love that moment, maybe that is actually not the way it would happen. And so that's why your emotions are over, you know, over driving and overtaking your logic here. So, you know, just take a look at that. Maybe there is something that you love about this story that is actually causing your problems. So it's always good to never put any aspect of your writing completely out of bounds. Question everything, you know. Anything, one thing could be wrong. And that would go the other way as well. If, say, as a writer, you were like, I'm never killing George. He's my main man. He's definitely, oh, I love him. And then you realize that pieces are coming together in a way that George is going to have to die for the scene to run properly. You'd be like, damn, if I say goodbye to George. How far back do I want to go to make this either way like, quote unquote, want it? The way I want it, that's not necessarily a bad way to have it. You just got to make it work. How far back do you go? How you know, if you're the time travel in a story, how far back do you time travel to save a character you want? What things would you change if you had to alter events? What would those events be? And if it's really big, maybe you got to go back really far. It's like, oh, shit, you know, 200 pages ago, someone told him this thing. And that knowledge has influenced him and put him in a position where he's in real horrific danger. So do I want to go 200 pages back and change that? Or, oh, but then that'll change this other thing and this other thing? Or maybe you got to make big changes to get the things you want. I mean, we never said it was easy. Not one time. And the anything other than perfect is unacceptable. It's like, don't worry, nobody's saying that. Yeah, work on good. Go for a seven. Just go for a seven. Yeah, get the good first. If you get to a seven, you'll be better than most of the crap out there anyway. So EFAP is recommending not having a plan. Like, hmm, I don't know. What? Where have you been? I don't know how you managed. It's pretty uncharitable. So, yeah, and now I wouldn't mind switching over to a similar problem someone has and a writer that's clearly secure, but someone who's just got a different view on things. Now, there are two characters in this. OK, it's not too long, but I want to play great Cthulhu. I suppose there's one line from another character called trash. Since rags read out the last one, I suppose you could you can have that if you want freeing. It's only going to be one line when I get to it. So I can't remember what video this was on. You have to ask what are trash's motivations? Yes. So yeah, I can't remember what video this was on, but it was shared in the discord and I just thought it was so funny. And I was like, oh, we'll read this. And this, I think lines up pretty well with the previous one in terms of just a different point of view. So we'll probably respond to this over. I'm going to try and read through it all first and then we can discuss. So EFAP are a bunch of narcissists circle-jaking their criticism to a bunch of fans and mouthpieces. I'm a published... Apparently they're not fans. Also rags, I would ask. Because I wasn't reading it. I was just listening and I was like, I could feel the quote. Yeah, I know I had to. I got to emote this. You know, there's a lot of power here. I am a published writer with a literary agent and a major league publisher. I can tell you that even after three million written words and four published novels, the soul crushing self-doubt and the brutal pressure of consistent believable poignant writing and the necessity to separate yourself from that self-doubt while typing never ceases. In fact, it gets harder. With every story you tell, you are not allowed comfort or respite. And then you see a bunch of wanna-be Roger Eberts. Is that a respite or a respite? Shut the fuck up. I'm going to get through it in one go, okay? And their internet circle-jerk putting every teeny tiny ounce, every iota of every story or movie under a microscope and a scalpel and getting showered with money and clicks and adoration for sitting 12 hours and making jokes and talking. While you honed your craft for 12 years and going and will never see major success, that shit is depressing as fuck. I have worked my ass off as a writer for years, but then what you gave every ounce of your heart's blood to create gets two stars. And a lot of self-absorbed shit on the internet from wanna-be critic. Not consistently, I have been nominated for awards and I sell consistently enough to make a living, but it does damage. It makes you a narcissist yourself if you are not careful because at a certain point, listening to Bratz only makes you deaf to valid, constructive points of critique. Uh, Shad and Drinker are both EFAP regulars and a writer's law. And the first mouthpiece to defend their internet gods has arrived as expected. How dare you not agree with my idols' law, but a full stop once in a while, Zoomer. Your lack of punctuation gives your age away. Back to Fortnite. When I name EFAP, I mean people like Moeller, Fringy and Rags. Not every person that ever appeared on their show ever. Why would I wanna criticize the drinker? I would have done so, but there's no reason for that. He knows his trade, as does Fringy, who at least tries to be fair and even works on becoming a writer. But yeah, what was I expecting? I invited this. I should be silent as always. Lol. Man, this is what we call Freudian. So I'm having, I have a little bit of, like, what's his point? He's angry we exist. I guess he's upset. I don't know what his, like, what is he trying to say? It's Freudian. He's just upset. It's honestly Freudian, because the first thing was, I'm a published writer. It's like, so that's irrelevant. Like, you shouldn't need to, if it was like, you really wanted to tell us that. And like, even I'm a major league publisher, it's like, oh, okay. And then, oh, I've written three million words and I've got four published novels. It's like, yep, all right. You didn't need to tell me that to make a point. In fact, it's tracks from the point, it's tracks from the point, because now I'm thinking about that as you're talking about it. But he's written three million words. He's written three million words. Does that count for nothing? I mean, that's, that's cool. Like, that's, you put in work. That's great. But like, well, I guess he's talking about three million words of trying to write stories. It's like, that's cool and everything. But like, and first of all, want to be Roger Ebert's, the hot take is that I don't think Roger Ebert was particularly good. I don't know why anybody would think we would think his style was good when we do everything not the way that he does. The opposite of that. Yeah. Of like three minutes or four minutes. Like Roger Ebert was what, like, you remember the critic, like the show, the, the animated show. That's like, that's like that style. That's not our style. But anyway, and yeah, like, and then what we continue, it's depressing. I've worked my arse off as a writer for years, but then you give every ounce of blood creates two stars. It's like, right. So that upsets you clearly. Yeah. And like, you're kind of taking it out on us. I know what we got to do with this. We don't make the news. We just report it. So calm down. Yeah. Yeah. And it's clearly, and then you say I've been nominated for awards. It's like, why do you keep, there's a reason why you keep not a psychologist, but like, it feels weird that you keep bringing it up. It's a appeal to authority or something like that where, you know, oh, I've written things. I've published things so they're probably know everything kind of thing. Maybe a soft version of that. I guess it's just trying to imply it. But like the nominated for awards, it's like, man, like, I feel like there's no good. Yeah, I feel like there's no good that comes from a heavy focus on whether you receive accolades from your peers. I think, I think that you'll be better off. I'm actually, because I'm going to try my best to be like super kind to this commenter. I think you personally will be better off if you can put less stock into whether or not you receive accolades, whether or not, like, you should be able to look at your work and be like, regardless of whether people think that this is good. Like, I know that it's good because I followed my process and I know what makes a good or bad story shouldn't matter whether or not, you know, like, if you feel that the criticism isn't accurate, then that's totally fine. And it shouldn't upset you, but like, you shouldn't need to tell people I'd be nominated for awards. I sell enough books to make a living. It's like, man, this really comes across as social diverse. So like, what? How many books and movies were hated upon release, but are now considered all-time classics? How many, you know, movies that were completely drenched in awards at the time are now considered kind of memes, you know, like, I could give examples for both, but, you know, Blade Runner was hated upon release, yet had monologues and some questionable edits, but it was still mostly intact, pretty much trashed on release. Now it's considered one of the best sci-fi movies of all time. You know, a lot of writers, like the writer who wrote Conan, The Barbarian, and the Witch Hunter series, I forget his name right now, but he died, you know, kind of somewhat in poverty, not very beloved, but now the stuff is known worldwide, same with HP Lovecraft. You know, there's tons of examples of underappreciated, overappreciated stuff. Awards are are a nice thing, and it's fun to get them, and you can cry on stage and wave your, you know, all kind of stuff, but the same time, it doesn't necessarily mean that your work is any good. Fine. Suicide Squad got an Oscar. Do you always say that in a broad sense, even though specifically what you got the Oscar for might very well have been earned, depends on what the competition was, but the obvious comparison, one I like to bring up would just be Bioshock Infinite, like it's a door to showered with praise, but these days, it's much harder to find someone who will even compliment the game. Talk about it again. Not everyone swooned. Maybe this is, like this might be wishful thinking, or maybe just incredibly optimistic, but I kind of unironically feel that the really, the true great work will sort of stand the test of time, like the true great works of fiction. And I guess that's your goal is to try and make something that is just great, regardless of whether it's a pre-shared now, maybe in a hundred years. So that you avoid the almost tragic sort of end that like Lovecraft and Van Gogh and stuff had, where they died sort of believing that nobody really valued their work. You hopefully want to get to the point where it's like, you don't care whether or not people value your work because you know that your work has value because you understand the process and you've worked really hard to create something great. Don't put so much stock into awards and stuff. Yeah, because the appeal here seems to be it's like I'm winning awards and these guys, these guys have careers talking about writing. What? Nominated even. Not even a one, but nominated. I mean, yeah, it's there's some examples. But like I don't know. The thing is, I'd just be like, we get to the point now where you're just like complaining about the duck for quacking. I'd just be like, EFAP's whole, we've always shot on award systems and ratings, aggregate sites. We've never thought those were worth all. So I don't know why you'd even bring it up. The proof for us is a very specific laid out sort of thing. And the implication of this is that like we tear stuff apart very arbitrarily. We'll just run into it almost like nitpicking, you know, nerds in the basement sort of thing. It's like, but we praise films for nailing in it. So like, how else can we convince you that this is a foundation we actually value as a sort of set for what stories should want to do? And even if you, if you don't agree with it, I don't know why you'd be here. It's probably the first step. Also super duper heart take, but to just undermine the effort that we try to put into doing this show, you know, oh, we're just sitting here making jokes and talking like that we haven't tried to hone this particular. Well, I saw someone in chat immediately say like, how come he like, he excludes Fringy, but not Molar and Rags when their jobs are to write scripts and to perform as entertainers as well. And it's like, those things aren't really considered these days. Most people just see this bullshit. Yeah. Oh, you just sit in front of a webcam and you just talk. Oh, you just live stream. And that's all of, it's all of the same value. One podcast is another podcast. It's all just the same thing. The performative elements, honing the craft, how long you could do it, how entertaining you could be, how God forbid insightful you can be. Hour after hour. A lot of people, they just don't, they don't give it a fair shake. But then in the return of events, if you do this too long, it's all so bad. Uh-huh. Oh, that's insane. Why would you do it so long? You absolute freak. Well, that's the point of- Oh, why, what are we doing? What do you want us to do? Like, just, I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. It's like. Yeah, I mean, clearly there's some sort of talent or dedication that goes into performing, writing, doing documentaries, doing reviews, things like that. Like, you know, I don't have any deep love for Ebert. I think that some of his takes were pretty good. So his takes were pretty terrible. He gave the thing a two out of four stars, calling it nothing but gore and spectacle. And I'm like, that's a pretty shitty take, to be my opinion. But, you know, he's also called some really good movies too. So it's, and he was also a failed writer, by the way. He did, he tried to do Hollywood. He, this movies weren't rare like, so he got into criticism. Yeah, it's, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Valley of the Dolls or something like that. I forgot the name, but he did a movie way back when. But yeah, I know it's, you could have the most ill educated asshole, no best, completely, you know, really high on the the scale of knowing much more, thinking, you know, a lot more than you, you don't, the dining Kruger, you know, all kind of stuff, but they could also make a valid point. It doesn't make their point invalid, just because they may not be as educated or as well craft, well versed in your craft. You know, the thing is like, generally, you know, it's a lot easier to see problems than it is to correct them. You know, you turn on your car, you don't have to be a mechanic to find out that your car doesn't work. You don't have to be an expert, you know, published author who makes living and has got nominated for awards to realize that, huh, this book's kind of boring. These characters are kind of flat. You know, it takes an expert to probably fix it, but, you know, anybody can notice obvious problems for the most part. Yeah. I mean, the first reaction I first saw this was just like, dude, you're going to be okay. You'll be fine. Like, you'll get on, you'll keep writing, it'll be great. This to me seems like you could have had this post about literally any people who talk about media on the internet. Like, it didn't have to be us, but we just happen to be the one you saw a lot of, I guess. Because we talked about stories in a particular way and then some people hung around to listen to it. That's the transaction. So, you know, and if you think what we do and say is bullshit, it's like, all right, no problem. But you come across as incredibly defensive of your own choices in life and it's like, you'll be all right. I'll probably tell you, you, Mola and Rags, what you should do is try and write a book and then you'll get, you'll just get off the hook a little bit easier. Well, it's easier than that for me. I'll just, I've made a book and Rags has made a book. We wrote one together. We wrote several on our own. They're all on my shelf. We're not releasing them. Yeah. Oh, minor, minor published. I just use a fake name. Yeah, I go by JK Rowling. Oh, no. Even don't want to do that. Yeah. I know I published them a long time ago, but they're actually all works in progress to this day. I had it on Twitter. The big thing I would say to this commenter is like, I would really encourage you not to undermine the value that are, that like, I think EFAP has had in for people, because I know people talk about it in chat, like that it's just helped them try to become better writers. I think that's great. I think if I think of a, how about just don't undermine the value of any other content creator? Just, yeah. Well, more broadly, you're right. More broadly, it's just stopped under valuing that there is, there is value to our, to the, my alarm's gone off. That's how early it is. But there is value to, to other content that isn't just the conventional stuff, because I think that's the problem is that his mindset is rooted in conventional thinking about the crap. I'm published. I get awards. I've written many books. I've written for a long time. Yeah. Stuff like that works. Can we just, we need to drop these weird arc, you know, archaic sort of values when it comes to craft? It's supposed to be a way to put it. It's just like, this is why I don't understand this coin because they must know the way that we do this. Like if we started a debate on, you know, Infinity War vs. Endgame, and let's just say I was fighting for Endgame and Frieze fighting for 51, I just go, well, Endgame was longer. Like that's a really weird opening argument. And then I go, Endgame won more awards. Endgame made more money. Endgame was more beloved by people if you check like aggregate sites. I'm just like, what the fuck are you? What are you talking about? This is what I mean. It's just like, I don't know. None of this means anything to us. Like all of this, like all your accolades, we just be like, yeah, we try to knock those out because if anything, they just muddy the water in terms of understanding what the story is achieving, sort of thing. Yeah, the appeal of the word count was one of the weirdest ones. Like, you know, one of the most famous, well-known books that are quite often mandatory reading in schools to kill Mockingbird. Harper Lee wrote one book. That was the story she wanted to tell. One book. And it's considered one of the greatest books ever written. You don't need to write 16 million words or whatever that guy was writing to make a good story. I mean, this one hit wonders in music. A war of war. Yeah. Of mice and men. Who let the dogs out? Who let the dogs out? I did. Wet-ass pussy. I mean, you get necessarily long words. Yeah. Great works of our time, really. So, yeah, it's just unnecessary gatekeeping. And like I said, you could have the, you know, the most idiotic, moronic asshole guy tell you something. And A, that could even be a valid criticism. Who knows? Like I said, you can, you turn the key, your car doesn't start, you know, the car starts. You don't have to be like, oh, well, I've been a mechanic. I've repaired 5,000 cars. I've been, you know, fixing cars for 30 years and I've gone to car school and I've gotten nominated for awards for car repair. It's like, no, the car doesn't start. Yeah, the car just doesn't start. Also, if someone replies to you in a comment section, don't be upset about it. Well, so, trash here, this is almost a clarifying point. It's like, Chad and Drinker are both published authors, both successful in their fields. And yet they both hang around with us degenerates and talk about writing and agree on a lot of this, a lot of the sort of mechanics. Well, also just the fact that they hang around in any way, shape or form, probably means that they feel we have some value to offer in the discussion area. So it's just like, how does that factor in? And the guy is like, fucking fuming that it was even brought up. It's like, you'll be okay. You'll be fine. Is that right? Hello. You can go back to Fortnite. Get wrecked, trash. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe you, so maybe you play Fortnite. Go, go and log rig. You're not even a real Chad who plays Minecraft. And like, yeah. Look at, he's like, how do you not agree with my idols? Like, I don't think I don't think that was the point. I don't think that's what I was saying. That was really what he was saying. Yeah. Not a fan of appealing to having written stories. And the one that we usually bring up for this is like, can any of us really criticize films that are made by Ryan Johnson when we haven't created any? Certainly not on that scale. Like, surely he would know better than we would. Just like, yeah, no one's having fun with that argument. Let's, let's not do that. Let's move away quickly. Yeah. Um, so yeah. You could say that both of these posts were about insecure writers trying to find their way in the world. And I feel like a lot of fun topics come right out of it. Number one was a lot more. Lot more hope for you. Yeah. The great Cthulhu just. Needs to do a bit of introspection. Great Cthulhu. Maybe that's his, maybe that's his writer name. Maybe he publishes under the name Great Cthulhu. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I don't know. Um, hope it works out. Hope you make a great book at some point. Oh, whether or not you have already, you know, and that's that. Yeah, I don't know if there's anything else you guys wanted to say on on that wider topic, but, uh, just keep at it. Yeah. Keep working. No, I think that, uh, Oh, yeah. I mean, the first guy, absolutely keep at it. It's not easy. Maybe maybe it's not the thing for you. You know, that's a possibility you should consider. That doesn't mean it's necessarily the case, but maybe if, uh, you know, you try and you try and you just, maybe you don't enjoy it. You don't enjoy what you create or you don't like it. Maybe it's just not your thing and that's all right. You know, don't force yourself to do something if it makes you miserable or you hate it, or if you never like the things you put out. You know, obviously there's a lot of practice that goes into, you know, skills and you get better and better over time, but, you know, maybe it's just not the thing for you. Maybe, maybe your pursuits are elsewhere. Maybe, you would enjoy something else more. Who knows? Only you, only you could say really for sure. But, it's gonna sound lame. Well, it's a possibility too. But it does seem like in that post he was frustrated that there's a sense of like in relation to earnings and it's like I really don't think you should define your own, your own success strictly by money with, with creating great stories. Like, it's gonna be, it's gonna do wonders for your, your own sort of mental health. Yeah, to, to have a system ahead of time that you think is really important and to have discovered that you've adhered to it very well. You should be like, you know what, I did a really good job. And even if fucking everybody reads it and says it's terrible, you achieve what you set out to achieve. So you should take that as a definite win. Yeah, and, and also if you're writing, I don't know what format you're writing in, but you know, books and stuff you, you eventually you will probably get an editor, somebody oversee things, perhaps give some better ideas. Like, you know, early drafts of movies and books and stuff have changed drastically. Famously, the original Star Wars the original Star Wars, there was no hint of romance. I mean, obviously, that got weird when they found out that Luke and Leia were sisters. That's obviously written later, but the original cut didn't, Obi-Wan didn't die. Obviously, maybe, maybe he had a thing for, you know, maybe that was his thing. It's getting more popular these days. He knew it all along. No, this is how you, this is how you sneak it into the theaters, you know. Yeah. Trying to get that Alabama, Alabama demographic, you know. Yeah, you will. But like, yeah, the original, the original story didn't have much of a heart. And apparently, from report or reports, I've read the George Lucas's wife said, hey, how about we had a kiss and how about we add, how about we have Obi-Wan die? And that was actually done in post. They are like, after the first, you know, cut of the movie, they're like, this doesn't work. There's no heart. So they made some pretty drastic changes, you know, killing a character, adding motivation, you know, talk to him, you know, through the force afterward, that really elevated the movie. Luke lost somebody. He lost his mentor. And therefore, he had to fight and, you know, succeed on his own. And then at the very end, he gets some help from his friends who turn around and change their mind about him and actually back him up into the crucial moment. So like, all that stuff resulted in a much superior story. So don't feel like you can't get help in terms of like, you know, brainstorming and coming up with better ideas, we're going to experience editors like, hey, how about we try this? This might really elevate the, the emotion, you know, impact, and suddenly the other thing of the film or the book or whatever you're writing. Yeah, and from what I understand, the first sets of New Hope were disastrous compared to the final. Yeah. I heard it was saved in the edit, you know. Yeah. You know, he's, that's what I hear. And someone mentioned in chat that advice would lead to us getting something like Loki. And I think they were referring to what I said in relation to, as long as you've achieved what you kind of set out to as a goal you shouldn't torch yourself over it. And so, if that was to lead, if someone went by that advice and created something like Loki, I wouldn't want them to stop trying to make stories. I wouldn't want them to like want to stop entirely because they crushed under the weight of I don't know, peer review. It's, it's complicated. The person that I was directing it at was someone who shares like our understanding of what's important storytelling. So I would presume they wouldn't generate something like Loki unless they accidentally made some kind of huge mistake. Problem with something like Loki is that it's all we're getting right now. Mainstream high budget stuff is written by people whose values for storytelling have nothing to do with consistency. Again, I don't want these people to suffer and I don't want them to never try to work in the art that they, in the, in the craft that they love ever again. Obviously, these are people that I'd love to talk to you sometime. If we had the lead writer of Loki on this stream, I'd have so many fucking questions. Yeah, when I try to send somebody to the story jail, we're just wanting to do better, you know, to do more, you know, more consistent work that doesn't completely undermine 23 films, things like that, you know. And to be honest, you know, that's the tough thing about all this. If we had Ryan Johnson, and he explained his philosophy in full when it comes to writing and his films match up with that, but they don't give a shit about consistency. There's not much you can do at that point. It's just how he looks at the craft and just be like, all right, well, I think it's not only a really shitty understanding, but it leads to really shitty content. And one of them agreed to disagree things because fundamentally, you've got a different idea on how these things work. But I think generally advising people to try not torture themselves when they're trying to create things is just generally good advice, even if it applies to people making shit things. Yes, I mean, yeah, I mean, Ryan's objective seems to be keeping people completely surprising and subverting. That's just going to be his goals for the most part. And that pretty much flies in the face of logical consistency. If your goal is to completely catch people off guard every single time, that means that you're not properly foreshadowing or explaining things. If people have no idea what your twist is because your twist completely comes out of blue and makes no sense, then that's not going to work. It's going to be completely contrary and completely contrary to, you know, cause and effect. Which I am a fan of and I think we all are here, typically speaking. Yeah. You know, you drop a ball at the top of a hill and it rolls right down. That's some good shit right there. What if it rolled up the hill? I'd be fucking furious. I would demand context. Your expectations, it's amazing. Yeah, that's true. You're expecting one thing, but it did the other. Which, how do I segue? We were expecting something with Loki. We got something else. But the funny thing was, I think that we all had the most concerns for Loki out of the three shows because it was the one with the most potential to destroy, right? I'm pretty sure that was something we talked about. Yeah, I think so. The time travel stuff. And he has the ability to retroactively ruin all kinds of basically anything. They could recontextualize pretty much anything if they, you know, if they use that time travel aspect to its full potential. And boy, they didn't even have to yet. They didn't waste time. Let's put it that way. They did not waste time. But yeah, it's probably, so we did a stream on this already on Mula. So I know a lot of people know about it, but I already saw a lot of people in chat asking if this is a spoiler stream. Yes, 100%. But additionally, if you were wondering, should I go watch the episode first? I would like to watch the episode. You don't. I don't know how else to put this. Like it's so frustrating that like I wouldn't recommend watching Loki already. Like it's only been one episode and I'm already like, Oh God, the amount it fries everything. Wouldn't exactly. It was that bad, huh? It's like, yeah. Yeah, it really was. It really was that bad. It's kind of incredible. As someone had me as the quote on one of the, I think it was either the subreddit or the video. It would be nice if we could go back to assassinating characters. That is where we're at right now. These don't assassinate the whole universe. Assassinating entire universe. It's a bit of a larger bit of a. That's what, that's what, that's what I got from. It's like JJ Abrams. You got to raise those stakes. Yes. We have assassinated characters. What if he assassinated planets, galaxies, universes? What is it called in video games? Is it power creeping when you basically just need to keep introducing shit? And so for example, I think it was in Hothstone. It was a three cost card that was one health, five damage. And then there was, they introduced like two years later, there was a two cost card that was one health, five damage. It was just like, oh. Pretty much. Yeah. It's pretty much power creep. Yeah. Just like, you just made the other thing worthless now because it's like, yeah, but we're moving on. New Geo and other things. But yeah, power creep is. We got all the stuff that we add is way more, eventually as time goes on, new cards get added, new mechanics get added, new equipment gets added, new abilities get added to things. And they slowly but surely make all that vanilla stuff seem weaker and weaker and weaker. Oh, you know what? I can reference anime. Here I go. Everyone gets so excited. So I'm going to work with chat on this because I'm probably, my knowledge is going to be fading. But when I watched Code Geass, that was something I felt they totally did. They would introduce a mech and it would be like, this is the king mech. It's fucking amazing. It's going to destroy all the other mechs. Oh my God. And then the next one is, the next episode they like, the enemies have created king plus. And you're like, what is that? And you're like, king plus is basically king, but with a laser that destroys king mechs. And you're like, oh my God, that's terrifying. How are we going to stop him? And it's like, we got, you know, bolder mech and it just fucking flattens all mechs no matter what build. It's like, these are amazing. And you're like, oh, shit. Well, all right then. Now it's just like, bolder mechs defeated next episode. And you're just like, what the fuck's happening? And it's lots of big reveals at the end of a lot of episodes where they should be like, holy shit. Can you believe we've got this mech is coming into the show? And Loki has done what I guess we could call the greatest power creep well in the MCU, which is saying a lot considering Thanos with all of his infinity stones. That's been made child's play now because we've got a force that controls time and space to a certain degree. They can literally rewind, reset and look at the entire expanse of the universe at will. And they have bosses that have decided a way that's supposed to go. And infinity stones in their world are paperweights. So, you know, I guess what I'm addressing here is just that we've recontextualized the MCU quite significantly to the point now where you can't help but feel a little frustrated when you watch any other part of it. And that's not something that the MCU has done before, I don't think to this degree. Like Captain Marvel was annoying with how it like wrecked on some stuff. But this is on a completely different level. Yeah, this is, yeah. What Loki does to the MCU is catastrophic and irreparable. We're on, as far as I'm concerned right now, the only thing that could fix it is literally going, and Loki woke up, it was all a bad dream. Yeah. Like it's all, it's all fucked. It's all fucked. We've got a lot of people speculating on what it could all mean and the only one, as Rex just said, that I'm gonna be satisfied with if all of this was bullshit. None of this is true. Because it doesn't matter how you contextualize what we've seen so far. Things are in serious trouble. I've seen a lot of people say the season will end with Loki dismantling this, the TVA and that the world will re-engage with actual free will. It's just like, wow, thanks. So everything up to that point was just what the Lizards wanted. I don't know about you guys, but I can't. Nothing happened any other way. I don't know about you guys, but when I came out of the theater and just in 2018 and after affinity war on Mike Dam, if I know this is pretty powerful, but Owen Wilson would kick his ass. Oh, yeah. That's what I thought. Yeah. Well, they would think of him as a joke. They'd be like, look at him with a little good for you. Wrap it a little. Those paper weights. Yeah, the new stuff that we just, the new stuff we made up for our new show, this is the real power. That old stuff. That old stuff. Fuck that old stuff. It's almost like kids playing with toys. It's like, well, my T-Rex 5000 with laser beams is more powerful than your, you know, your kit car with the computer system is like, no, but my dragon with the flamethrowers is more powerful than your T-Rex. And it's like, you have to constantly just up the stakes to a point to ridiculousness where you're, yeah, like you're literally taking God stones and turning them into paper weights. Like that's, yeah. Yeah. So to reset a little bit and Mel's almost the audience stand in for those who haven't seen the show. I don't think it's the most low key teleports in end game, as you may remember, and he ends up in the Gobi Desert and the time police capture him and they tell him that he's gone off script, basically. And then one of the first, this is something that I don't know that we brought up in the stream, obviously we would have meant to the first major contradiction that a lot of people are talking about. It's like, so if he went off script but like, why are the Avengers cool, basically is the first question everyone has. And they do address that in the show that he brings it up and they're like, the Avengers did everything they were supposed to do. They were on the script. And like, oh, okay. But if Loki is off script when he picked up the cube and that directly led to the Avengers doing different things, then wouldn't they have to be off script as a result? Like, how could that possibly make sense otherwise? And I assume the TVA are exempt from the rule because they have to go off script to the Avengers. I know I was kind of bringing up its own thing. That's not a question I asked though. Well, yeah. So the fundamental issue is, so was it on script for Tony and Cap to go back to 1970 or was that off script? And then it was off script. Why is that okay? Yeah. I don't know how you could argue it's on script because it's the ultimate handle. It's the God works in mysterious ways thing with the TVA is like, oh, this is what the time Lizards wanted because because that's how it happens. So that's how it that's how it was supposed to be. There's no one at Loki then. They must. Yeah, they're because Loki can't like very at Loki is a necessary part of the Avengers going back to 1970. Though the one of the ways I was trying to think of it in my head was that no matter what Loki picking up that cube or not that Tony and Cap would have had to have gone back to the 70s or something. Though whether or not he teleported out with it that's the only way that they could potentially cover up. I don't think they're going to do that. I doubt it. I think that they're just going to say you were the part. For all we know the reveal might be that Loki was on script that all of this was planned and that the whole of the TVA don't actually have free will either they're all operating like I don't think they're going to do that though. I think that's the last that we're going to acknowledge it now. We're just moving on. Well, I think we have the issue regardless, right? Like the yeah for anyone again who's like what the fuck's happening right now. So the TVA work for three space lizards and those three space lizards decide what everything happens in the world. We don't have much information on them yet. We just know that there are things that everyone listens to. I'm just getting context on my fever dream that I had last week and it's still nonsense. Yeah, the entirety of the cosmos is it's on a predetermined timeline that three space time lizards have made. Yes, I guess it's more you know, more context when we bring them up. There I guess they're I guess they're basically gods essentially, but like god gods gods to gods at this point. The time lizards have set the entire cosmos on a predetermined set of events and everything. All of the Avengers all of the MCU movies everything in this universe happened because they said that was how it was supposed to happen and it's how they wanted it to happen. Yeah, whenever there is a deviation from that timeline in any way that's that's even particularly possible. The TVA swoops in melts you and they reset the timeline so that it happens the way it's quote unquote supposed to well not even quotes the way it's supposed to happen. There's no need for quotes there and then it carries on and that's that has but how do you how do you go off script? Well, yeah, pin in that for just one second is a little king just highlighted as well isn't Loki like super important to the point where if removing him and not putting him back immediately doesn't that like fuck with significant events being thought to in Ragnarok and thus everything like they're playing around with them right now but like did they did they reset the Loki that picked up the the space stone? So that means that there are copies of people in existence there were just they would have to be yeah but I thought that the existence of the duplicates created the alternate timelines which means you would have to be melt I thought the infinity stone is created. Why would there be a trial? Why would I don't know what the I have no idea why there's a trial. I can't answer that one. You have to melt them otherwise the timeline is screwed the trial I'll tell the trials there for lulls for the audience I guess it's totally meta. It's probably worth mentioning yeah everything that happens in this is for funnies almost everything even the animation people who love the animation someone in chat just mentioned like I saw so many people fucking commenting about how awesome the animation was like it's supposed to be funny it's like a this is a daunting realization but it's done in a really fun upbeat like 50 60s way it was like oh it doesn't make sense like what if the only point if the only purpose for you is to take a number so you can be melted why would they bother explaining fucking it and none of this makes sense it doesn't make any sense none of this make it's just totally nonsense everything is nonsense it's like the worst thing fucking ever it's awful someone just said the the Loki variant reality doesn't exist anymore they destroyed it is that what that device does it wipes out that timeline wow okay because it can't be local well here's the it can't be localized because the barrier between when it knocks out a timeline and when it doesn't like those things still have to interact with each other yeah yeah yeah what if you can just wipe out the timeline why do you need to arrest a variance just wipe it out there's so much to this that i wonder so i'm like that device then you've programmed it to take us all the way back to when you grab that stone and this time you won't question mark so why would he act any differently why would he act out of character you know if you do that how does the avengers how does that still happen there's only well maybe it's like that's what this this sure says maybe it's like what we were talking about with winter soldier and pulling out the gun maybe if there's a if there's a one it's technically possible right if it is if it's logically possible then it is inevitable give it enough tries so maybe if it's if there's a one in a trillion chance that loki doesn't pick up the tesseract and fuck off i guess they try it over and over and over and over and over until he doesn't that's what they're doing in this show i doubt that that's what oh yeah because they haven't thought about it um i i guess what i'm saying is like i don't understand how there can be infinity stones in a draw and then there are also just six infinity stones in reality if you took them out yeah where do they come from back where where where are they in that universe yeah how'd you get them how did they get here without how how can you duplicate them that's the thing yeah that's or does their little goop juice create a new version of reality that creates new infinity stones my thought would be they might have taken it from i don't know universes time things whatever the fuck it is that they destroyed but then why why bring them here if they're no use to you so what up and how was where i get really confused is there was one timeline there are not multiple universes the existence of variants may create multiple universes but there's only one universe yeah because we don't have multi-verse anymore this this kills multi-versus for as i understand presumably the multi-verse will be birthed in this season i what uh man because obviously so it'll be always assumed there was a multi-verse i was sure yeah i i figured as well but obviously the wait then so to give you a bit more info for metal and chat and just as a reset for everybody the universe began with many timelines and then they started to fight each other that's what we're told timelines battled for supremacy i have no fucking clue what that could possibly mean that they fought each other the cartoon has like ships fighting in space so yeah fuck it and so the space lizards decided that they would either erase all the others and pick one or like combine them up to just make one sacred timeline that is the timeline okay that's what we do that's though that's that's the baby and so whenever someone like Loki does a thing that wasn't supposed to happen and thus creates like a skewed off timeline they have to grab those people and melt them or reset them reset that timeline undo it so that everything goes back to the way it was supposed to be the thing is there's so many fucking questions that arise from just that little little bit of information they give in that cartoon you're just like holy shit so and they make it as clear as getting coming into to work late so Loki doing something in character is considered variant like he's created a timeline that has to be destroyed until and again we're going off theoretically here because like we got loads of episodes left hopefully this gets explained he gets reset until he makes the correct decision which means really nobody's making choices at all it's just you just reset until you done the one that the lizards wanted which is disturbing when thinking about everything that you enjoyed about the MCU because it's probably character based and thus who they are and what choices they make that was like the sort of the main concern and then just the mechanics of how any of this makes sense is it just blows your mind in one way or another first and foremost I guess there's so many different things to tackle and we've kind of touched a few of them but just if they've got a complete view of the timeline how does someone breach the script yeah that's that was my question that I was about to ask earlier like how does it even work you know if they're watching Thanos take over the world like all the Loki stuff has already happened and then they go oh Loki's done a variant and you're like wait why well because the stone landed in front of him why well because the Avengers went back in time and fucked with this whole thing and like ah so Loki is the variant like wait how did you know it's it would be the Avengers in that in that case it's like no they was they were supposed to do that and and like that already just just confuses the hell out of me because if your timeline is perfectly running but then some people go back in time and they create problems how was that Loki's fault couldn't be and so yeah we might get more context to explain the rationale here and they'd have to erase the timeline from endgame that we saw in the movie because Loki fucked up and in every other scenario where it when someone fucks up the person who fucks up gets melted but they also have to drop the time reset bomb so wouldn't they reset what we saw in endgame so that never happened does this decanonize endgame well I think some people may have mentioned in chat it's like when they exit in that opening scene in the Gobi Desert and they drop that grenade is it that that whole timeline that Loki just came from is now deleted and everything goes back to normal but we get to see him in the TVA office also isn't the fact that they show up at all gonna create a variant timeline because it can't possibly coexist with the current one like them opening up a portal and just walking in that already creates a variant maybe the idea is that it's supposed to be super localized didn't want to affect anything but I just mean the nature of like reality right like matter coming in that event can't coexist with how it existed previously because there's it's just a change and I assume it'll skew off I don't maybe but I thought they destroyed it anyway well I was thinking about like the they were in a church or whatever and they find out their guys have been killed so it's like they see they also don't solve that and even if they do a reset it would still be that they haven't found this look this is the thing these things will just be much easier to actually nail down criticisms of once we have more information on who the spooky Loki is and how the TVA work further I mean I this I'm sure the more answers we get the worse it'll become yes I mean really you guys should just think about it this is a movie about space lizards intended for children first of all but the only explanation is that that I can think of for this whole thing unless I'm really confused which you know could be so they're just basically creating a bunch of broken timelines and ignoring them I looked at the picture again they have seven time stones how is that possible unless they took a time zone from seven different entirely different dimensions right well so so to jump on that and I'll get a fast forward to those stupid checks they said in the comics the infinity stones are useless outside of their home universe if TVA is a multi-versal agency it would make sense why the stones are useless Loki sucks it would make sense the thing is that the stones are useful regardless of being in their own universe in we already know this for men game yeah so then if you want to tell me okay but the TVA exist outside of the universe I like I don't know how we deal with this the exist out of space and time you're like this is just infinity crisis all over again we in a place doing things yeah I I don't believe you like like how do you rationalize that they're outside of existence you're like oh okay they exist e you can't exist outside of existence yeah like that's one of those that's one of those phrases you hear and it's not coherent it doesn't work um not to mention the the so the idea would be that maybe they collect people who do invariant nonsense with their little stones and they pick them up and then they drop them in the draw and then reset that timeline with the grenades at least that's if that were the idea then they would have spare stones potentially and that they just don't work in this office it's like these are all um even even as ideas they don't quite work but I don't even know that that's what the show's going for the problem there's a lot of speculation for like how any of this can work but the ultimate problem is still in place of you know what every character is going to do and you correct them if they go off of it that's awful and um then there's the morality of the TVA you start to wonder about it's like wait did all of these people just watch all of the worst and most horrible things of history happen and they didn't change it because the lizards told them not to the sacred timeline that was you know 9-11 and the holocaust and all that sort of stuff that was all sacred timeline oh people brought up the the time stone worked with dolmamo and the dark dimensions like you don't even have to reverence that literally they take the stones to back to their own universe right yeah and they work so oh yeah all the dimensions that's right is the dark dimension part of the the same universe or what is that fuck if I know but the time stone worked there yeah because like multiverse I always consider that just dimensions you know a different yeah where spider man wasn't spider man it was spider woman or spider man was you know peter parker or miles morales or whatever like that's what I consider the multiverse so I don't think even that that really explains it this is something outside of space and time so how does anything work you know how humans breathe how humans animated whatever what you like why are they humans it's because yeah why are the humans no the great question but um yeah the space lizards who exist in an ethereal state that is so far removed from anything apparently they yeah the tva is created with analog looking technology that matches a human focused with human letters tva with human english letters everything looks like retro 1960s technology they're all humans they wear like ties and button down shirts and stuff okay no I get it it's cheaper to make for the show but you're marvel you're disney you have disney money it doesn't make sense why why that why why is that the way that the space lizard the space lizards made them it doesn't seem to serve its function you would think that you would have creatures who are almost well I mean who are alien to us in such a way because if this timeline is so fucking important why would you make a group like this why would you not make them better why would you not make them like perfectly designed to fulfill this task that cannot fail someone brought up they could just be from the one office we only saw them go to earth it's like it wouldn't considering their job it wouldn't matter what they look like it would matter that they're efficient yeah it wouldn't matter because they're gonna they erase all the timelines they go to anyway so it doesn't matter who yeah the argument that you could make is if they go to a timeline we'll just make them shape shifters for starters but if if they go to a time like the one in the church in the 1500s they just show up in suits and ties and everything and they like it would have been cool if they showed up in period proper attire and they so that they could actually investigate and find out what happened so that they could learn more and maybe prevent it from happening in the future but they just nuke it all anyway and they don't really seem to care that much yeah I mean this almost gets into prime directive territory kind of like when Star Trek where they go back in time in different places and stuff but they're prime directives that uh at least with other civilizations I think the prime directive applies where like they cannot affect their out their future like they can't intervene they can't do it to their own timeline either yeah so like they can't they have a rule that they can't interfere and change the past to such a an extreme that would drastically change the future or you know affect like you know pre pre Star Star pre spaceship civilizations so like that would make kind of some sense like yeah shapeshifters or at least some attempt at at blending in the society them because they're gonna erase the whole universe anyway yeah now if this was a show where you had Owen Wilson quirky space space time cop and every episode was them going into different places in time or every couple episodes they oh it's we're in the renaissance now so okay we we're speaking Italian or whatever and we you know where we've got our renaissance garb on and you know we we fit in and we blend in and we do our investigation and we don't cause a ruckus so we get get what we need and we get out and that's an interesting idea but we got low key yeah but they like they pay they want to they want to give the vibe of oh wow they're going through time but nothing ever comes of it it's pointless them being in a church in the 1500s it has absolutely no significance whatsoever so far granted it's only one episode but there's just it's just because ooh look is it ooh there's the 1500s so wow isn't that crazy either in this is this church set and it's wow who isn't that cool there's probably show isn't that cool the show yeah it's a cut like like like we said earlier like concept and and premise before logic like I it's not a great movie but I I have to compare it to time cop with the Jean-Claude Van Damme a guilty pleasure for sure but I wouldn't say it's well written but in that movie as far as I remember basically the premises is that in earth time machines are invented and they're basically illegalized immediately and the only reason the cops use time travel are when they when they get when they essentially fine I think it comes up in modern times when there's some crazy incident where somebody like came in you know a colonial America with machine guns and took a bunch of gold or whatever you know like something like that would come up in in history and they're like oh crap we need to send a time cop back there and undo that we know we need to we need to protect we need to protect time travel you know prevent anybody from misusing time travel for personal gain and so that that's the premise and yeah you could you could argue that it would have already been done so there would be no way of measuring if there's been a change they had some sort of machine or you know one offline to fix that but that at least makes some sense they're not preserving some mystical space lizard timeline that doesn't actually exist they're just making it exist they're just simply protecting they're they're chasing after any incident of time travel that they can track like that at least has some logical basis is as crude and as silly as the movie is so I can't believe that I'm saying this but I think time cop is more consistent with Sean glove you know doing the splits and kicking people and on his uh you know kitchen counter time cop makes more sense than Loki does is in terms of that's consistent with Sean called Vandam yes mm-hmm it's contractually obligated obligated to do that at least once a movie why do the TVA ever discuss anything uh why do they disagree on things like in terms of what's to be done next sort of stuff yeah if you created if you created this entity you would probably have them all agreeing with each other they'd all have the same directives like they wouldn't there's they're all essentially one hive mind you'd think they're all just extensions of one singular purpose and singular codified mission mm-hmm internally so I don't know why are these individuals who have different personalities and you bring opinions does a little bit of walking when you start to question more and more because you're like why do they disagree on what to do with Loki why does Owen Wilson say hey Loki might be able to help me with with my thing and you're like wait yeah wait wait wait you got your bosses control controlling like they control the everything of everything ever ever ever ever why do you guys even have limits yeah how come you only have you know how come you have two arms and two eyes and you're not crazy super duper intellectual practically robots that are the most efficient things that have ever been created because if the stakes are as important as they're purported to be then there should be no reason why it's just a bunch of people you don't know what fish are yeah that's and it's like are you guys birthed in like pods or are you created it's like I have no clue and and how are you guys like mental health wise like that your jobs are to just prevent people from making meaningful choices because you're existence you know clone or not mass murdering every single day has got to probably have its toll on a standard human being you'd think but yeah like but like there's really no limit like you could go 10 million years into the future snag children from a 10 million years into the future evolved version of any species in the universe or you know some incredibly advanced AI you know self-replicating AI species or not species but like you know type of robot or something like that like yeah like why why are 20th century humans the ideal vessels of you know time time policing that seems really far-fetched yeah do they have like do their lungs in their stomach like share a tube because that's dumb I would have made I would have made that not really defending Loki but in the comics the TVA workers are supposed to be clones so the show does a lazy untrue to the source materials it possibly can I don't even know if them being clones really like does anything for me in terms of just I'm just gonna have more questions I don't think this can work though the way that they have presented it and I I guess I just want to see the six episodes to know what the fuck they thought that they were doing with this because like first and foremost other spaceless is real are they actually a thing are they entities that control the sacred timeline or is that all bullshit I don't know I guess hopefully we'll find out pretty much the more that it turns out to be a lie probably the better yeah the more of this that isn't true the better it is unfortunately this is all bullshit we've already seen that they have the power to teleport anywhere at any time and they can literally like hit people with things that slow them in time compared to the surroundings like the power that these people have is insane okay I wanted to stop Loki how come they didn't just teleport in front of him why I don't know there's so many like I don't know why their method is like anomaly detected where is he now he's in the Gobi Desert he kind of looks like this oh we kind of found him excellent let's grab him even though had he used his illusions in that situation there's no reason for me to think that they would have been able to stop him yeah because because when they get into a fight later he just like beats her yeah um and it looks like they're susceptible to anything that normal people are like if you threw a knife at their neck it looks like they'd die huh um especially they loot they died a fire at one point so how can they die this is a great question I don't know how they will Blizzard people made them very vulnerable so they have to eat but I guess they had to die at that point then right or is it a variant I'm so confused I hate this well the time cops maybe are the time cops are they exempt from the sacred timeline because they're fixing the timeline so when they go to get variants obviously they weren't predetermined to go fix the variants or they would have known what the variants were and those variants wouldn't have happened in the first place well if we rewind to time cops are immune to the rules right well so the thing I think about that is like I need to know more about these lizards because if if let's say we were the five space lizards and we've made the sacred timeline and we go wait what is that what is that there's a little this little guy who made a decision now we got two timelines what is this and we go look at it real close with our lizard eyes and we're like yeah he like did a thing we're gonna have to create an organization that can go and travel to that and reset it's like why don't you just use your big lizard powers to just lop it off just be like no fuck you didn't know what they did originally with all the timelines they just made one well yeah they just made a timeline and if you took all of the multiverses for which I assume I don't know why there'd be a limit on multiverses I assume there'd be an infinite amount of them just an uncountable amount of multiverses if you could destroy all of them but one and that one is the sacred timeline that you've shaped to your wills I I guess that's like power levels I'm already brain herdy already and again it just makes you wonder like why is the TVA the way that it is why do the lizards make them this way what of all the ways you could have made them I don't know don't seem that really inefficient yeah it reminds me of that one line from Looper from Jeff Daniels where just kind of like lampshades all the time travel problems with Looper well this one was from Jeff Daniels he was like the crime boss but he said this time travel crap just fries your brain like an egg it's like a great way to just like put a cap on that and just not make you think about how time travel doesn't make any sense I'm like imagining a better a better take on this idea I don't think it works in the context of Loki in the and you know relation to Marvel MCU and Endgame but the one interesting thing I thought of was GLC minority report with Tom Cruise it's based on not the other minority report there's actually a TV show too but it wasn't very good oh really I had no idea there was a TV show yeah no I for whatever I've seen it's not went very good but something you've mentioned Mueller actually reminds me of that where you're talking about the the the three lizard the lizard triumvirate whatever right that was an interesting parallel to minority report where they have three three now used to be children now grown up people in a pod who predict time the things that are happening in the future and and roughly as they say it basically extremely traumatic things in the future echo in the past and they can essentially for the see these things as they as they happen before they happen and they like scrub through their their brains like a like they're editing a video find clips where they can identify where it's going to happen when it's going to happen who are these people get a positive ID and then try to rush there and stop it in time and prevent that traumatic event from happening now whether or not that is realistic because if the traumatic event didn't you know was prevented it wouldn't have happened whatever you know that's one of those time travel things but at least that that has stakes you can fail if you fail once you've failed forever you know you can actually get to the scene and something goes wrong you can't save the person from dying or getting attacked or whatever but that at least had some some sense of logic and and stakes at play but also the thing you mentioned where do the lizard people disagree that's actually almost the entire you know main conflict yeah that's if there are reports on lizards we might have a lot of problems we could have ties and yeah i guess but that's actually a big plot point in minority report is that the creator of the program who's now retired tom cruise asks her because he's actually he's found out to be you know potential murderer per their system she mentions that sometimes they disagree and that becomes a huge plot point where they have to find out you know the special report that suggests you know because there might be one of the one of the twins that didn't you know agree to the others whatever and that becomes a whole plot point like that's an interesting thing that i maybe loki explores i doubt it will but you know the idea of like a misinterpreting future events things like that so the problem loki's got is that it's an mcu show which means they got shit to do they got they got quotas to meet they got to have expensive sets and adventurous plot lines and fights they got to get their fights in there as well so a lot of the time code is going to be taken up by tick boxing things instead of actually trying to build something that makes any fucking sense yeah imagine every shitty fight scene in the mandalorian was replaced with a meaningful character conversation but you know that's just not star wars is it not anymore yeah um and so yeah the tva the uh the overall sort of will building serious damage and um it doesn't even look like by the time we get to the end of this that the writers have realized what they've said by everything being uh crafted by the lizards I don't even know that they know what what what they're doing I think by the time we get to the end of it we'll uh have a better idea I suppose um but this is not a good start and uh episodes come out well every Wednesday so we're probably going to be doing loki updates as we progress if perhaps at this point it'll be a different format than the other two we did but yeah this is a question go for it so is loki at the the top of the list for shows where we wish we could talk to the writers hmm I don't know how interesting that would be because if they can see like immediately that it's really hard to keep track of it all and yet time travel is kind of funny it'd be like the most fucking wasted conversation ever if you're like what about predeterminism and then just like you know the the characters still make their choices it's just ones that the lizards are okay with oh no that would be hell which is something I could literally see them thinking which is the sad part which is I mean I mean some people are only upset if predeterminism is in fictional media but we won't get into that done done done the other thing I wanted to bring up as well to make sure we cover the things if all of this didn't happen if if all the will-building fuckups weren't happening I still take serious issue with episode one for what they've done with loki himself probably got like three or four significant instances of being incredibly incompetent which is really lame a lot of people have highlighted he's like kind of a joke in the episode he keeps getting fucked over but the most important part being that if someone was to describe where loki goes from the end of avengers to the beginning of infinity war they might name a couple of significant scenes being the death of his mother when he fights with thaw and ragnarok when he's told by thaw that you know he's like a good brother and when he dies and stuff he might cite those as being like oh they're the significant bits Owen wilson just shows them to him like like in a machine already in the first episode he shows these moments and he's like this is you buddy this is the timeline you're supposed to be on and like people are celebrating the shit out of this they're like i was amazing to watch tom hiddleston like you know shed tears over watching himself deal with the situations on screen from his other timeline it's like incredible content like first of all loki wouldn't do that shit he'd be like this is all bullshit i wouldn't do this i don't believe this happened i think you're lying to me like he even like says in the episode this is all clearly some kind of trick or illusion and then moments later he's like i guess it's real but oh wilson says it's true so you know he wouldn't lie oh yeah the god of mischief and illusion immediately accepts what he's told yeah and yeah it's really bizarre they're relying on us to sort of let that slip because we saw it happen in the movies like you guys know it's true so it wouldn't take much to convince loki like no no it would take more way more to convince him he didn't if someone showed you that shit i wouldn't believe it well yeah if let's say we haven't seen any of the movies these clips are from and they show this all out of context i should be like what the fuck is all of this like what what do you think you're going to achieve by showing me this like this just looks like you've made up a bunch of shit and he's like no that's the true you he'd be like yeah okay now interesting would that be if they uh if they showed all these clips like like they did but um something fairly significant was different from what we saw in the movies or something and then that suggested that the yeah but that would be clever the space lizards had some sort of agenda where they were changing something and he probably wouldn't believe it you know his character like having done tons of illusions and lies and stuff but that would indicate to the the audience that oh they're up to something this is this is different but um oh another the highlight i just saw someone mention it so in the elevator he's told that um despite being someone who thinks that he should be a king or he's destined to be king he loses a lot and this is after telling him that everything is fucking prescripted yeah i guess that's not my fault then this is like yeah what the fuck am i supposed to do about that this is like this is dumb and like destiny then and the second he goes off track to get a win by the way escaping the custody of Thor it's like it's that's is like well you lose you've been plucked out of existence it's like yeah i don't know that i could have stopped that i mean i guess he could have if uh he'd actually tried but uh yeah there's there's an implication of like he's basically been installed with Loki's arc and and and that's we're moving on now and it's just like you guys you did the thing this was the thing that we really didn't want you to do we were very against this you can't kill these characters and then bring back different versions but then install because this is the second character that's been installed with the memories of the vision that died um and it's crazy that Endgame is the example but they tried it with Nebula and it didn't work she literally watched her old Nebula's or new Nebula if you will her memories and then she was told by her sister that she's a good man and that she made the decision she made and it doesn't work because that's not how arcs work you don't get told what you did over the course of years that you just become that person that's retarded so once the regs predestination is the fringe position lull you think i was talking about predestination oh i thought you were talking about the movie or something the movie predestination no the concept the religious concept uh alert yeah the religious concept um yeah that about covers as far as i was uh i was gunning full with Loki yeah Loki's shit really disappointing first episode and i was people well i was gonna say as people were noting on our stream it was like is this a one then it's like pretty much this is this is what's required to be a number one yeah how much we can do about this solidly solidly and one out of 10 it's it's hard to overstate just how much this ruins kind of everything it's this is we're at damage control mode it was a good way to kind of describe how you would fix this you just have to make it go away i don't think you can fix this as i said before the more that we find out turns out to be a lie the better the mcu will be because right now it is totally fucked it needs rescuing it needs saving it's not just oh this sucks oh that's terrible no no no it needs rescuing it's in a it is it is flat lined and it needs to be resuscitated it needs to be just brought back with blood magic something needs to happen 10 out of 10 from angry joe yeah you know i've heard a lot of people really loved it and that's nice yeah some people are really really easy to fool um i don't know why like i can see someone enjoying it but like 10 out of 10 so holy shit yeah uh what for starters it means that your 10 out of 10 doesn't mean anything um if you give this a 10 out of 10 even if you think it's good and you're wrong if you think it's good but even if you think it's good like 10 out of you gotta save that i don't think i don't think we have a 10 out of 10 because 10 out of 10 is perfect like you gotta reserve a 10 out of 10 for perfection yeah we we don't award a 10 out of 10 for much at all it's very rare in the same way that one out of 10 is very rare it's really hard to be a 100 this is only two we only got two one out of 10s i believe it's this in crisis on infant earths and what's neat about that is that you and chalb now be able to probably better understand what it is that requires it and it's like you fuck with reality just yeah it's it's that's when you're getting really down to the nuts and bolts when you're approaching meta badness levels it's just oof um but yeah you know we'll see uh we'll see how the episodes progress we'll probably talk more about them as we go along um i'm gonna skip ahead a little too to one of these the the super chat just i just saw it i love that video coverage is being put on hold for efab to do mainly super chat catch-up streams where they still get further behind what a waste of time so zac you twat let's go back in time shall we um first we have the word all started with efab no more time travel baller oh i just i love it i love me some time travel efab 127 which is where we were trying to catch up from uh that was an eight hour video coverage and responses which we didn't get to the super chats for and then you fast forward again and we did the the wander vision one i think we managed to keep up with that one but that was still an 11 hour stream as well then i think 130 we had the same problem as 127 where coverage went to like eight hours um then there was the we first talked about zack's night as just asleep it's one that rags was unable to make um and that one i could only do for four hours which happened again the following time we did zack's night of stuff as well which if you guys didn't know four hours that's pretty much only enough for us to talk about what we're talking about rather than being able to get super chats then we did falcon the winter soldier that was 11 hours right and no coverage for the super chats then 10 hours of me fringing rags responding to videos 10 hours that's it okay then the meme fap and then you've been getting efab movies then we did the debate that was seven hours and like i so what else we got oh yeah the 11 hour discussion and breakdown of resident evil eight forgive us for trying to catch up with the people who've sent messages in via money like when you had so many they say zack wrote this uh well just a guy called zack it doesn't there's probably a lot of people called zack oh because we have one zack that's just trolling sometimes no it's not just one drink well they've got a goofy avatar i don't think that's the one you're thinking of there i don't know i don't know um either way you guys have had a lot of um non-super chat stuff in fact one might say that the ratio has been completely blown to one side and yeah we're just we're just trying to keep up with stuff and i figured that that was just two hours of us talking about writing for a while and one of the things was mainstream tv shows coming out so i mean does that not count that we have to be responding to videos i don't know but uh of course we will be there's plenty more for us to do in that regard trust me i've got a backlog that's got like 300 videos in it some kind of nightmarish i don't think we'll ever actually be able to empty that backlog until maybe we're all gray in the hair maybe they'll just all stop lying in my content one day and then we can can catch up um but yeah you'll be fine all right and to be honest with you it's like for those i figured you turn up to see us respond to the videos right not the videos themselves that's probably uh going out on a limb probably a fair thing to assume in which case a lot of the super chats will regard arguments from those videos or just arguments in general and we'll be responding to them so if you try and think of just oh sorry when i read out a super chat that it's coming from a video we're responding to yeah there you go it's kind of the same it's the same environment right you'll be fine you'll make it it'll be all okay but yeah um we had like three e-faps where uh it was like 10 hours of coverage without being able to get to super chats so we are going to have to do a bit of catching up guys once upon a time e-faps they were like done in like an hour and a half to two and then the rest was doing the super chats those those are the days the standard has been um changed over time and perhaps not to the the the cast's benefit because uh things have flew big around significantly um but of course we still got plenty of things planned things to come out and hopefully you'll be excited for it um but that's probably it for today in terms of uh talking about things that aren't super chats because now i'm going to jump into them um what you're a lazy cunt oh my i am offended and i'm gonna though i suppose we could do some memes first if you want it's just just a little handful don't worry and some fun it down on all memes like um like the tv a bit too many to two that's the same thing they saw a mega shopping that's sad that she's sad no fate but what we make as i said we will discover more as time goes on i am sure uh and look at that the meme was already made in our discussion but uh it's just just for show a space loser it's now that's right i'm sure someone has made that argument it's like you're not supposed to think about it that much it is meant for kids or something like that yeah reality bending bending shit let's say that it's okay i quite like this one ah there we go the things weren't working out properly they have to correct it they even had a little thing on the floor to let them know where to where to do it the spaceless is helping out it's like every single continuity area or just like on Wilson off the screen just like shutting things in there chief palpatine the proper timeline demands you perform a very specific maneuver when the time comes but of course there he goes i was oh man look at him approved yeah majestic is the word i would use oh yeah beautiful this one is just uh one of the new ones that relates to wonder woman i think oh was her tiara sanity made by the god of making things like this that was that was a thing right that they said there was a god of the god of things that got made by a god were just the god of making stuff and one of the lot of gods are very specific things sometimes and all of her her pieces of kit are thing of thing second kit okay the tiara of sanity like oh no what happens if she takes that off wait she throws that at people does it mean to be injured by sanity i make sense she had her tiara off when she went after that guy in uh wonder woman 84 so no sense if variants of people who commit actions that the spaces is didn't write down and that means they didn't write down our reactions to their actions making us variants that we should be melted well that's the thing you exist outside of the timeline so it's fine because when do i exist yeah you exist and don't think about it they just don't know so the Thanos getting the sounds on the pimp particle and going through time it's like yeah that's fine that's all part of the plan it's like okay you have an interesting perception of all that and see so the idea here is a lot of things can be explained like why didn't rosteco save the slaves well the tv i wouldn't have wanted her to would have reset her until she decided not to like yeah stop holding her accountable for these things it's cruel and um i think you guys might remember when this image was drawn in gothic phone meme is quite powerful i would say very evil do you remember the context for why that image was drawn was was that one of the speed the speed rounds no it was uh it was i think it started with like metal and a duck and then someone wrote that metal was oh no metal was violating the duck and so i drew a very close thing of him but i think this was the second vision of that oh no yeah the tva approved like to formally apologize to all ducks out there mm-hmm we cool right i appreciate all our dog viewers but i don't know if this this was made for e-fab or if it's just a bebe general but i like it your honor if everything is predetermined by three spaces then i should not be punished for my predetermined crime as i would be melted if i did not commit it their argument innocent you are supposed to declare him guilty the punishment is melting what you end off plan that's the thing how do you tell the difference between people who are or who are not on plan it's getting a little complicated to say the least and you know what i'm sure the show will answer that nice and easy for us as the time goes on i think it well i would even document the proper timeline like how many petabyte exabytes of information would you have to note down and who would who would write that well really good compression i was gonna say 60s tack man great it's like well it's not 60s tack it just looks like 60s tack man just like these on the outside why though because the space lizards who made this timeline as far as we know 13.5 billion years ago at the start of the universe essentially they really liked what would eventually be referred to as earth 1960s era american nationality technology they just really liked it or they knew they would like they liked it that they they know that they like a thing that has yet to be invented but they're the space lizards so they they're privy of that kind of information yeah i suppose they would have maybe space lizards visited them and said hey you guys are really gonna like this maybe they uh yeah maybe that was it they were they were told that they would like it and so well they do now as simple as that i guess it's always gonna work that way it has nothing to do with the fact that it's something that that can sell the show its own way oh thank you anybody who thought that was just being incredibly cynical they're just basically uh america 60s americana weebs you know they're just really into that hmm um but yeah we're not uh it's just not a great situation to be in and so the first thing i'm going to read through will be uh uh the the rest of the low key actual ones since that seems to line up the most right now from the little stream that myself rags and uh free did well we'll see what everybody had to say about that it for example if jacob kane doesn't find out what you bring me he would have been melted oh my god i have a feeling there's going to be a lot of melted super chats yeah you think you know everyone deserves their chance to tell their joke okay shouldn't stop anybody from having to do it um if biden knew what day it was he would have been melted i see or a guy um if crotos didn't grab him like a little clown boy he would have been melted if the eagles flew to mordor they would have melted crotos kratos i like to crotos oh how disembarrassing uh well his parents named them crotos and and they were melted so does that mean they shouldn't have called him that deservingly so we were meant to fucked it up um hi rags hello what are you just like about skyrim i'm a fan of the game but i still want to the future games to be better so where do you think the next es game could improve so the combat needs to be not garbage um even for the time the melee combat in skyrim was really clunky and terrible it needs a lot of balancing work that game is extremely poorly balanced it is easy to cheese and it is odd to it and it can in the game can cheese you um there needs to be a lot more variety in terms of tears of weapons and armor and the effects that they have um magic probably needs a total rebalance as well um there needs to be and it's not just the clunkiness of the physical combat it needs to be the the mechanically it needs to be richer and more how you have a game where there are chambers parries reposts um there is clashes there's you know the shields and kicks and there there's excels and drags and there's a there's not a huge list of things but it's all incorporated very very well so i would like to actually see a skyrim game where the combat is not shit honestly i i like oblivion's combat better because it was it seemed more as clunky and terrible as it was it almost seemed more appropriate uh for where it was a skyrim was just fucking disappointing as shit archery is crap too it's very rigid and stiff let me see there needs to be a lot more variety in terms of dungeons and the rewards you get for dungeons you need to make a there needs to be a much better aesthetic system Fallout 4 did this to a degree where they had all the external armor pieces that helped quite a bit i would hope that the next that you know they carry on with this into the future because that was a good change but everything needs to sort of have a purpose and a reason for existing instead of oh now i have the new thing and its numbers are just flat out better than the old thing so the old thing can be forgotten like in in this game you in this game in like skyrim right you will like iron weapons and and steel weapons you just you get over them so fucking quickly and they're never ever used again and they're just just what you dress bandits up in um i wish there was more of a i hope the game becomes so in um Guild Wars 2 is an example where you're not constantly chasing higher numbers it's not about power creep in that game it's not about number creep it's about you getting better and learning different things and learning your class and its abilities and how they synergize with one another and i hope skyrim or the next skyrim 2 or whatever the fuck it's gonna be elder scrolls what is it on six seven seven right six six elder scroll six i hope that it's i just it needs to be it needs to be less simplistic it needs to be rich and mechanically interesting and there needs to be god forbid an element of skill that is maybe involved in it for god's sake higher more than three voice actors that would probably help um there give me a reason to go places uh don't just have every dungeon and every castle just feel like the same fucking thing that i just did and give me rewards that i'm never gonna put to use like i i'm carrying around 497 health potions that it will never ever use because why would i when i've got all these other abilities at my disposal there's just so much that's worthless in that game give me a reason to rank up my alchemy all the way give me a reason to do all of these things and try all this stuff don't just have it in the game because i feel like there's a huge amount of bloat in skyrim when it comes to just items and stuff that you'll never use um don't just fill it with stuff that doesn't have a reason or a purpose have there be things that actually do stuff for me oh and especially if you go back and play oblivion the spells themselves give me more spells to use give me spells that are super interesting and that are mechanically a lot of diversity in terms of the spells that i can use and what they do give me a lot of cool little quirky options that i could play around with just all kind of kind of everything just needs to sort of be better the music was really good for skyrim uh but so much was just sort of meh it was so okay it was just so okay but there was a lot of it there was a lot of okay stuff in skyrim and it's scale once it's scale kind of it's definitely a quantity over quality game and i think that's why so many people it takes you so long to get through a lot of the content in it that kind of overshadows the quality of the content itself so it's a bring back spell crafting yeah that would be cool if there was a kind of spell crafting aspect where you could mix and match things or if you could make armor that was combinations of different armor like you know i kind of want to be a battle mage so maybe i could have like a mixture of light and medium or something like that maybe i could put two armor types together that give me sort of bonuses of both reward players for not going super big into one thing like do you don't have to be a pure warrior or a pure spellcaster you'll give people really a lot of incentive to maybe multi-class and things of that nature avoid tanky enemies if you want the combat to be a bit more high stakes where enemies don't have as much hit points but neither does the player you know that could be interesting give players options for damage avoidance and evasion so you know it's it's a reality that a player could get in and out of combat without taking a hit but hits are more punishing i mean that i think dialogue needs a whole shit ton of work from skyrim i don't really recall a lot of the dialogue being all that great i don't really remember much about the story either something about dragons and destiny or fucking something i don't know wow that's probably a maybe more maybe more of a focus on the smaller stories and not the weird overarching one let's see yeah i i mean that's just what comes to mind off the top of my head but i mean this and then and then there's the ui stuff and there's the is that the other thing a lot of the mods fix a lot of issues but yeah skyrim needs a lot of a lot of stuff so yeah i mean it often gets cited as like one of the most overrated games of all time right i would probably call it one of the most overrated games of all time yeah okay maybe i'm thinking of just using it but i i feel like it's relatively common i've heard that from a couple people i think but like the height for skyrim and its heyday holy shit oh yeah it was huge i did a whole two or one and a half hour video about the history of the older schools a couple years ago and my frustrations with the later games and what they could have even just pulling inspirations from their previous titles what they could have improved like like rags was saying some of the things that they did better and even oblivion or more wind you know and i enjoy playing oblivion more than skyrim there's something about oblivion that's just it has this older it it's clunk and it's everything it seems more it just seems appropriate like i don't feel like skyrim if you took if you put them all if you put both of those games kind of like graphically on the same level they're really like i think it'd be really tough to choose between one and the other for a lot of people if you just made the graphics the same on both because mechanically there was a lot more going on and oblivion in some ways especially when I'm spell casting that stuff yeah i mean they took out a couple things between more wind and oblivion they took out levitation uh i think it was probably because of the zoning issue memory limits on the xbox but yeah i mean i if if you sat me down it's like the greater place skyrim or oblivion you know unmodded I would definitely go for oblivion oblivion just has a lot more just meaningful exploration it seems you know I like the the kind of green forest and and the the demon portals and that's more interesting to me than just the kind of gray cold gray rock that you see everywhere in skyrim you know a lot of little things yeah someone said some of these are good suggestions some of these are fundamental changes to elder scrolls games though and it's okay to just not like them I'm curious what I mentioned that was a fundamental I mean unless what I'm wondering what I mentioned that was a fundamental change to elder scrolls that would be for the worse because I don't think anything that I said was fundamental the only the only thing I could I could see a little bit is like adding more skill to the combat and stuff but that's been a trend that's been going on forever I mean it started out with like skill checks where you know depending on your stats a hit would be like a 50% or 70% chance to hit but that's been that's been going toward you know just more just first person combat you know if you strike you hit kind of combat so I played literally every every single elder scrolls game combat is for brain dead morons then maybe it should change I played every single elder scrolls game except for the the ones you had to have a special Ikea or not I had no KIA phone for so from what you said I didn't catch anything that was fundamentally different from previous titles seemed pretty on par and I have barely any experience with them so I can't even comment yeah but I'm pretty sure you're wrong just so much change oh no I feel like Skyrim is just like this framework for what was supposed to be a much better game well things like like player housing and the ability especially Skyrim fallouts the same way where you really want to invest people in this world that they're in and one of the best ways to do that is to give players the ability to have a house or to make one and fill it with all kinds of stuff and that should be a really big part of the game not just oh I can have chests in this house I bought and fill it with all the shit that I found but to actually kind of make it your thing you've got man lot of stuff I'd change a lot of stuff I'd change oh they could put like some actual puzzles in the game that might be cool I feel like that's something that a lot of games could start to actual puzzle yeah some some actual puzzles what games do you think essentially Skyrim's done right I don't know I don't think there's a game that I am aware of or that I've played that comes to mind immediately but it's just stuff from it's stuff from every game like it every game has pieces everything from day z to seven days to die to witcher three to vermin tied to mordhau all of these things have parts you take away parts from those games and you put them together and make an elder scrolls game out of it and yeah that's the frustrating thing about elder scrolls is there's no game that quite ticks all the boxes it does but almost every box it ticks something else is done better it's one of those kind of Minecraft's more overrated than Skyrim no Minecraft is appropriately hailed as a masterpiece it always made sense to me that that's one of the most popular games I have a you look at minecraft and you're like I right now it's a video game lego yeah like it it makes so much sense why minecraft's so popular minecraft is not unweighted I think it is sufficiently righted minecraft is a blessing I'm so glad that we got minecraft is one of the best games ever made and it's one of my favorite games I've ever played I'm playing it right now I've played it for years I'll probably play it for years to come will you play it on your deathbed I've got these problems sure it's an it's a masterpiece minecraft's amazing fucking luck on craft wow what are you a child man when I sometimes I'm gonna play this game it takes me back and that's magical is magical I love minecraft minecraft's great minecraft is better than skyrim fucking fight me yeah I don't even know if you'll get pushed back for that I don't know I don't know I don't know if that'll help people is that right it's modded no I'm playing the fucking vanilla ass minecraft right now 1.17 and I'm loving it I've played my modded minecraft before but there's enough stuff in the vanilla where I just just play the vanilla game it's kind of nuts that uh the official release of minecraft was November 2011 and it was in like beta before then so it's over 10 years old now but it's still ridiculously popular that's because I wasn't holding it yeah I'm not a it's not an icon I gave my friends one of my best friends dad I gave him 15 bucks or whatever so that he could buy it for me because I didn't have a credit card or anything like that I just had cash because I was a kid and so he bought it for me what a shat extremely flexible replayable customizable a lot of depth just some insane depth sometimes people making literal computers out of redstone and stuff like that so it's definitely easy to see why it's so popular yeah that's it I love it if biden didn't steal the election and put immigrant children back in cages he would have been melted we don't talk about that edgy boy comments sometimes those getting through I'm even surprised YouTube would even allow it it's the same one as the other biden one I think Zach Gilber hates biden there's a good chance if the xenomorph queen hadn't taken the elevator she would have been melted if the sand was smooth and didn't get everywhere it would have been glanced yeah I mean it kind of creates problems wouldn't it so you become fucking not the very thing that put Anakin on his path and then what would be the point see in some ways TVA made sure Darth Vader happened and is that something that's bad I don't think so he's pretty neat oh so fucking hell just wiping through stormtroopers but they're in LEGO so it's that was something I meant to mention earlier by the way that um what the uh a lot of the scenes in that one Loki episode felt like were reminding me of the blaster scene in the finale for Mandalorian where uh you're like lol memes it's like do you know what you've done with your memes of any idea they don't know how could you've done this how could you if meltman had never gotten the power to melt he would have been melted you know I'm not familiar with meltman but that does make sense if oj simpson hadn't killed Nicole and the waiter Nicole and the waiter would have been melted are we just gonna get like every everything that's ever happened everything that's ever happened do you imagine how I was feeling on that day when that all happened I was like in my bed with two blankets getting wrecked by this vaccine shot and it's like why is everyone melting what's happening why is everyone melting you're starting to get what it's like wait a minute hold on don't tell me no is it the vaccine the vaccine's melting people it's making me loopy I gotta I gotta say the tda is made has improved one one character in particular we now know why Crilla becomes evil and has a scone puppies she would have been melted if she hadn't told them to bash the puppies heads against the wall yeah there's all these deleted scenes of these characters getting stressed the fuck out as they learn like I will die if I don't commit to these actions the space lizards want to see me skin puppies I don't know why but they do it's like I'm just doing what the space lizards command yep to deleted scenes where she's like crying it's like but I love dogs like you gotta skin them to skin them yeah whatever makes the lizards happy you know the lizards demand it yep if Mr. Freeze didn't say puns he would have been melted see I reckon that was he was on board with that anyway like he was just like yeah I'll do it and the lizards were like yeah this is on script so that's all good cap couldn't prevent 9-11 or he would have been melted plot hole fixed plus the thing there were people who were unironically fucking arguing that Loki is now repaid all of the MCU because everything was was orchestrated by lizards so that anything that you think is out of place it was them that made it that way I see that fixes the MCU doesn't it's just funny that all they did was boob all the flaws from one group of lizards to another group of lizards I don't know why they wouldn't spot the the issue that comes with it but you know what everybody's entitled to their own speed in which they discover things that's just fine if Chris didn't shoot fake Mia he would have been melted yeah so I can't really criticize Resnil way either if Krypton had its chance it would have been melted if the T-1000 killed John Connor would he have still been melted yeah he's melted either way it kind of sucks for him this has got to be something I can do it's like no if Peter stopped that mugging he would have been melted yep nobody can really act out of character I would say they're all just doing some self-preservation or rather this is not even self-preservation at that point let's just you get killed until you make a different decision don't even know that they're aware of it you know if that rock hadn't hit Ang's spine in just the right way he would have been melted yep well the rock would have been melted too oh no hi ol I'm trying to archive YouTube eFap but YouTube to mp4 says you're too big any tips on how to download 12 hours of Tism live long wait does it does it actually say that you can't download videos that are 12 hours long in before and like with websites that download YouTube files yeah they probably have a limit because they that's bandwidth on their server so I never encountered issues so I well that's the thing I was about to say like I didn't know that issue exists and I'm like have I ever downloaded a video that was longer than fucking 11 hours like I don't think so well I downloaded like a nine-hour stream of mine before oh wait yeah because that's how I used to actually yeah I must have because that's how I used to transfer the Molotov-Mula stuff so yeah the 4k video downloaded that should work because that's how I did it before yeah you might have some limits on on quality you know I but I a stream would probably be fine yeah 1080 probably fine but yeah I use that for a while I'm actually using a different one now slightly less buggy but I think it's a paid license Wondershare Uniconverter it's pretty good for downloads but yeah 4k use that for years problem I have with the 4k video downloader is that a lot of the times it seems like more times than not lately it just says it can't parse link or whatever yeah and I just don't you know why the fuck it does that the only thing I've concluded with that for me and this is hold held true for now it's whenever it's a video that's about five or six years old or more I can't download them it's kind of strange but that seems to be consistent that's the pattern I've noticed with mine anyway I I had that before and I think it was when the video was private it can't download it if it's unprivate if you put it on unless that it works you might want to try that if that's the case no these are videos I think yeah I think Ragsman just general videos oh okay oh okay okay that's just what I noticed at some point when the private the 4k downloaders like I that doesn't exist or something I don't know yeah it's public it's a public download so if it's not accessible by the public it won't work I did have that few times though Rags if it's a problem I could recommend use some software that I've got some alternatives that I use but it's just annoying that I have to use them that's got multiple options all right if Superman hadn't destroyed the metro melted if Palpatine hadn't died before he would have been melted if I don't super chat I'll be melted save me I'll try melting that's a good trick the melting that's right melting it's the melting era of EFAP I suppose if they did know what you sacrificed melted no one has ever really melted if John Snow wanted it he'd have been melted no fate but what we melt there is just so many some of those I got I don't have faith in what we melt some of these got put into tweets because they were just we were fucking having a having a blast at our stream if Luke stayed and fought the first order he would have been melted yep now we know why Movie Bob can never touch a woman so there's a couple reasons but like sure he'd be melted a woman would get melted by him and then consumed those are the people like we can't let that happen like come on we're not that evil we'd never do that to an innocent dude I construct an ATST and then this fucker just jumps in didn't belong to him I will be right back so rude was he dead oh he's out that's good enough how do you think about the people that uh Wanda enslaved and uh Wanda vision they either had the choice of being enslaved in an eternal pain for however long she wants them or melted pretty pretty rough yeah it sucks that those are these decisions but those are your decisions what are you gonna do I hate this because it's directly implying that fate is essentially written in stone on people's decisions in the universe don't actually matter because things need to happen in X way this is the thing as soon as this the show is cleared and they don't do much of anything else to explain what the fuck is happening we can just confirm that that is how they want the MCU to be viewed now and that fucking sucks no that's fucking suck I it kills any amount of investment that I could possibly happen it because I know that the only reason these things are happening is because the lizards wanted it yeah and like this will be one of the first like we we we talk about this with stuff like TLJ or whatever but like legitimately we have to pretend like Loki is in canon to be able to consume more MCU content we have to be like no fuck that when someone says like hey this isn't really that meaningful what you consider it's like no no no just just look we don't talk about that yeah we don't want to let's just leave that alone did you read they might uncannon the sequel trilogy I'll believe it when I hear it yeah I I highly doubt that I think the the closest we would have a get is they would have a multiverse should you guys hear about that sorry we can cut you out there did you guys hear about that lawsuit where somebody completely unrelated to Star Wars but he was talking using coming with examples of acquisitions that led to poor products and he cited the sequel trilogy the Star Wars and he actually he actually won you rightfully won like it means no nothing about Star Wars but it's just funny that he used like you know TLJ and things like that as examples citations it's just it's just nice that the truth comes out you know yeah it's nice to get you know a little bit of extra verification on what we all know that each year yeah and it sets a precedent that you know it's a bad movie going forward in further court cases obviously I will be taken to court over the long one day and be good to be able to cite that case I just love to be in that the jurors room it's like yeah we're kind of thinking about you know going with the other you know but after they mentioned that to in TLJ that movie fucking sucked this guy's right oh I can push him out with the force that makes things a lot easier all right if rag snow got out of the fridge it gets melted that's true yeah that's true yeah especially now it was it was hot and over here it rained for like two days and then when I had to go it was it was yesterday I had to go out and do stuff all morning outside as I do in Friday and it was bright and sunny and fuck me it was insanely humid and hot oh you wanted just snow whatever oh I wanted it snow yeah do you have any pocket snow please no no I didn't have any pocket snow I couldn't it would have would have melted it would have yeah would have just what's the thing about snow it's kind of helping melts real easy that's a shame yeah wait does this mean the TVA let Captain Marvel assault the dawn they're monsters yeah that would be the main issue I'd take with them actually you know there's only a trial so they're allowed to happen and with the show I don't know if they're trying to set the TVA to be villains or not well I can go either way you know we could get that last scene in the last episode where Owen Wilson is like I'm actually way more confident than you thought I'm way more aware than you thought and I've been orchestrating all of this you're my puppet Loki and then Loki's like lol jokes on you I did this this that in the background and now I control the TVA you know just bullshit basically yeah like we're not gonna enjoy it I already know that like it's just gonna be the odd job is gonna be to try and fucking unravel what they show us and it's gonna be hard because it's already a disaster we haven't even gotten to their own twists and turns like this this woman Loki who's fucking everything up I don't know what that's gonna be about I mean as far as I'm concerned I want her to win I mean she's murdered TVA agents which for me is she's a hero in my eyes if anything I will agree that it's a win that the TVA destroyed by the end of the season like I'm on board with that I just fucking hate that they exist to begin with yeah like we've been saying Loki woke up it was all a horrible dream that's how you fix it and make it go away but they're still doing and remember they said that this the guy who wrote this show wrote Dr. Strange 2 and he said that they directly connect to one another so that movie is probably gonna be I man I fucked yeah probably I feel like that's funny you look at the the upcoming slay that's like so what's gonna be like the best show that they make it's like probably like Hawkeye because it's too grounded to just grow up yeah fucking girl Hawkeye doesn't have the power level to fuck with the cosmos that's wow we say that but again we add on Hawkeye creates Hawkeye invents an arrow that splits atoms and begins a chain reaction that blows up the Milky Way Galaxy I don't know I guess not again maybe Moon Knight will be cool I hope Moon Knight's cool but otherwise I just I don't know you look at the upcoming slay you just get super concerned it's like the stuff I'm excited for is it's like well I know it's about Spider-Man and Guardians is two years away and so it's for well I thought it's like a year away or something now but still I'm kind of worried about that one too and it's to a certain extent I mean what can I what else can I do to Thor at this point wow don't ask that question why would you ask that question yeah no don't ask that question some writer some writer some writer at Disney it's like Chandra accepted yeah he's listed to the stream like oh you want to know yeah I don't who knows what we're fucking in for I just with with the combo of the three shows it's like fully this is the thing rewind when we just knew that they were coming out and someone shared this on the subreddit where Rags and Fringier talking about it in the Cosmoronic podcast and you're both very happy it looks like this is gonna be great yeah that's right you had told us they're going to fully assassinate wander falcon winter soldier destroy the world building further of just how things work in terms of the countries and how they interact post end game destroys reality onto occasions yeah more than one year and then just the final notches make every decision ever made in the MCU meaningless you'd be like how the fuck is that possible and you're like how are they gonna do that and in six months like I guess that's the concerning thing is that it's like a lot of these a lot of the people who wrote this are like continuing to have a role in the MCU I think that's the part that concerns me yeah is it's like they have been told what you did that was really bad was actually really great and we want you to keep doing that and in fact we're gonna give you more freedom to do it that gets me very concerned we just have like a team right now that doesn't instill me with a lot of confidence and I I do one audience that instills me with a lot of confidence wow yeah there's that too the fact that they've been rewarded like everybody's saying oh look at how unique and cool it is but it's not I don't know it's not I don't like what we're getting at the moment no did you hear the Reeves Batman maybe delayed until 2023 I don't believe that 2023 didn't they rat-fill me great they've already rat-filming it was meant to come out this year and I got delayed because of covid it's coming out I don't know why I keep hearing things about films which are already finished production and people telling me that they're gonna get cancelled like people saying oh eternal's might get cancelled it's like you know honestly at that point I'm not sure that I would listen to your perspective on anything related to like news in the media for a while like you'd have to earn that back if you tell me stuff like that that's kind of how I feel it will be on you for anyone yeah the joke will be on me when it comes out on the date that it comes out on because the film's already been shot and it's well yeah eternal's is like is eternal's this year eternal's is in yes it's in like November it's coming out real soon but I remember somebody saying they thought it oh it's probably gonna suck like don't tell me it's gonna get cancelled it's not gonna get cancelled Marvel stuff doesn't get cancelled look it'll be shit but it's not gonna get cancelled it'll be crap instead of want to be in crap that's that's enough maybe uh Loki just going completely off the rails was meant to pad the uh effect that people will have with the eternal's the thing is um I can't see the eternal's doing more damage than Loki no I thought eternal's would be the one to do all the damage but yeah you know let's just say worst case scenario they're like yeah they're a bunch of heroes who have really good upstanding morals and they've just watched the universe crumble around them for you know millennia they just don't give a fuck like that's really bad but it's still not as bad as Loki but the lizard people told him not to do it so it's okay I feel like eternal's is still gonna be it's still gonna have that like sort of catastrophic yeah um it's just that Loki rushed ahead to be like no no no I'm the worst and he was like okay all right yeah if you want to well it feels weird to just have all of this content competing to and then yeah I think the problem that I have now is that I I am I am past the points of being able to look at anything and say oh it won't be that bad like I can't do that anymore because it may well like I didn't expect Loki to be a one yeah assume the worst you won't be disappointed which is unfortunate because he used to be excited Marvel stuff yeah that's three for three guys and like they just kept getting worse too if you remember like WandaVision was the best performance out of the lot in terms of how much we were enjoying it at the beginning anyway yeah lasted the longest that it was only till episode around four I think well Winter Soldier and Falcon pretty sure the three of us were already just fun yeah we would what was the episode four was the one that we were like really fucking angry at but I think it wasn't like two that we were already like okay this is shit yeah we were worried after one we were like mentally checked out after two for igniting this fire in our spirit two was when John Walker came along and helped them out and then got shit on for it and I think we realized what the agenda was now he's the bad guy we were like yep they're just doing the thing and we know where this is going and then episode four happened and it made us fucking angry and then seeing everyone's reaction to it made us angrier and then it just got worse and worse in the first 10 minutes we were already clocked out so who knows maybe like in the next show of Miss Marvel like maybe we'll clock out in the first 30 seconds though again I can't see how many I can't see how that could be worse than this I don't see that happening because with Loki he like lands and his cuffs are off and he takes his mask off and we're already just like you can just take that off I guess you can I guess you can just take that off and he's like nah he was just really lucky it all got broken on his end tree and you're like why oh look at Han killing Greedo Lego says he shot first Sam? On erotically Lego is more badass than the movie at least the final card of the movie this is kind of why I want to play the Skywalker saga I want to see the Lego versions of the sequel trilogy see if they're better they could be oh if you have high damp resistance can you be melted I feel like damp resistance really isn't going to stop being melted you know I just that's that is my opinion I wouldn't want to force that upon anybody is an idea I'm just saying this is a really weird YouTube bug let me show you this so I have our video that is playing right now but the comments are from a different video oh weird that's very strange if Palpatine didn't get melted he would have been melted true that Brian Johnson redrafted TLJ he would have been melted if metal finished the movie bob challenge he would have been melted true if fortnight had just had been just a survival game they've been melted cap gets melted because he didn't jump on the grenade I guess who's a if he didn't jump on the grenade would you rather guys jump on a grenade or be melted jump on a grenade jumping on a grenade implies that I'm saving other people being a melted implies that through absolutely no possible reason or understanding I'm being executed by some insanely powerful omnipotent space time Nazi faction that true but at least one of them applies that like I could die a hero and save people's lives and they could get any living and that I've done some good for the world I thought you were gonna go with the grenades because it would probably be a I mean just in terms of likely the melting sounds horrifying so like it is an experience I imagine you died at the grenade faster than you would melting probably the melting looks very awful and painful oh if we yeah if we go on by the melting in the show that's pretty quick but I'm pretty sure the guy was like yelling as it was happening right yeah plus when you melt someone like that this always bugged me about like being vaporized and like fall out and stuff how does the vaporization know to vaporize the clothes you wear but it doesn't stop at the ground you're standing on and things like that why doesn't it keep going um it's programmed to know these things transfer yeah well solve that yep writing one on one because you you should have said because the time lizards won it that way see that was implied by what I said you see I'm very pro time lizard I don't like your arguments wow these guys are immune to shots the cantina band that's probably good but that's the case well it's probably because they've been drinking all day so at this point they're just you know um wait can I go oh blaster shots okay I got you I got you oh see I didn't even realize how far I spent all day in that cantina maybe I just developed an immunity to shots to do wait why is that one oh they're playing that one song is the cantina band I've got music off because of copyright oh okay yeah but I think that that band whatever they're called let's call them let's call them somebody in the somethings uh that's their their one hit wonder band that's their um claim to fame this is their past the duchy that's that's all they're known for this is their who let the dogs out baham in I mean so I'm gonna chat name us name two songs by the baham in yeah I can't um right I see that you've posted an image of the population of uh Australia why is this surprising to you or uh well I wouldn't have known what to think really um someone posted it in my my chat and said Fringy has some explaining to you well I mean one fifth of Americans live in California is that really does it surprise you that people tend to congregate in certain locations no I think it's the amount that they're congregating might be surprising um how many people live in the east coast of the United States versus the the rest of it I don't know like 100 million people don't know even all the east coast states but you don't look at that map oh boy I'm pretty sure that was well Fringy's schooling right now well it's just you know that election map of America that shows like you know basically just the split so you have all the red but it doesn't really matter because like there are these few parts on the map that are just totally blue because it's just like yeah these are the cities this is where most people live really a sizable chunk of people live it's the same in Australia most of this is just a desert like why would anybody live in that two percent you've got on the map it's like inhospitable I hate deserts maybe that's the real quiet why are you bigoted against geography no water there that's all I'm saying like it's just yeah it doesn't surprise me at all looking at this map I'm like yep that's true because there's a lot of water looks like there's a lot of water by the coast there where people tend to live so that does check out so well so you see there on the the southeastern part is the Murray Darling basin the Murray is the biggest river the Murray Darling it's like two connect into one and that basin is yes where most people live it's just because the parts for the yellow are yellow in real life is that worth it I think I think all of this is a diversion from the real reason I think that the yellow zone I think that's emu country oh yeah yeah that's my thought I think we got him I don't know that's because I've seen emus in the the areas that aren't yellow as well oh you're probably scouts yeah well you know it's it's hard to say since the truce we haven't really had any issues but you know yeah I'm sure Australia don't keep track of them at all I'm sure that's totally it's a real good piece hey look we're investing 900 million billion dollars into our defense budget which I actually hate but ironically if we're memeing it you know it could be who knows why that's happening they don't want to don't want to repeat you know we don't want to repeat I think it makes sense yeah I'm not sure we'd be prepared to deal with it if emus hadn't won they would have been melted this is true if jay wasn't kicked he'd have been melted damn if camp stuff oh wait go ahead sorry I was just gonna say uh speaking of deserts without googling what's the biggest desert in the world uh Antarctica yeah there you go yeah I didn't know that I was like what it's a desert definition most people probably say the Sahara but it is a desert based on its precipitation Sahara idiot Sahara Sahara there there's a free fantasy name for you the the the Sahara and they it's the uh they're a nomadic desert dwelling people called the Sahara yeah and you put a it's a just take a normal word and put a not Sahara is a normal word that's a that's a freaky foreign word mm-hmm but you put some put some air commas in there and boom they're like regus regus rug unto all of us all sudden it's fantasy name grogling time roglotaw um the MCU the melted cinematic you know hey just a little bit overcooked you might even say I mean this is a thing a lot of I've seen a lot of people saying like yeah you know what the MCU ended for me at end game like that gets repeated a whole bunch and I'm just like it's pretty good and ended at infinity well if you're gonna like just end it there like we don't like a couple like a couple of the payoffs and end game like when Tony meets his dad and stuff like that like yeah that's that's really infinity war was really where the the quality dropped after that can't really beat that one I mean obviously there's better entries probably but if you think infinity war you get to drop captain marble no way oh yeah that's true right yeah yeah that is true yeah they added her right in between like people brag about how they made a million dollars but you just freaking stuck a movie in between infinity war and one of the best selling moves of all time of course it had to be successful like it could have been ant-man movie and it would have been a but you'll need a billion dollars well there was an ant-man one right the night man and the wasp yeah it was it the those are the two i'm starting to forget my timeline those are the two that came out between the two you have nobody cared about any man the wasp i made money but it wasn't i remember i know i went to see it but i don't remember like anything about it quantum there were some lines that made me go but that's i think it's all i remember oh they had the suitcase building yeah but i'm not even gonna try and figure that one out i don't think uh i don't think they would want you to was right as they be like please don't just don't think they're gonna thinking about it's not gonna help anyone don't worry about it frustrating crap hitleston is charming but loki himself is a joke predictable and undermines everything that's gone before dumb show pretending to be smart uh lechid da mola cumry and beef i i i i just fucking else been a million years since i've seen welsh in a super chat my god what i always say do you mean apostrophes no no no air commas they're definitely air commas they're and i'm talking about they're definitely not apostrophes they're air commas stop stealing my money i'm so low i'm gonna hop off here but uh appreciate you inviting me for the chat yeah no problem uh for those listening this was indigo gaming who's been on a couple of these things now find the link in the description what do you even get up to do you talk about like movies and tv shows and books and music is that the main thing you talk about all of those um primarily i used to be nothing but gaming but my new series that covers all sorts of stuff books video games movies tv shows music comics all kind of stuff so it's just a broad overview of the cyberpunk genre starting back in like the you know 40s 50s 60s 80s up to the 90s now so that's what's primarily what i've been covering recently i mean i started with that video game that came out last year yeah yeah literally it was the the first cyberpunk thing ever i think it was great uh it's perfect that they really uh the qa in that game was was excellent no bugs um no books i haven't played it since are you none of us everyone you've been enjoying cyberpunk right you started playing it again i haven't played it since like came out wow so it's been six months i think hateful so that is just hate i never even bought it yeah well that was your loss i don't know i don't ever would call it a loss it's like your opinion bro yes my god i've got layers here this han solo i don't know what to make of this can i get past security protocols i said that i hope so uh but yeah well uh we'll we'll catch you around dude thanks for thanks for hanging out yeah thank you so much like a leader dude thank you guys to the blue if thanus didn't murder any of the people that he did he'd be melted thanus was a victim true the whole world is full of us are wearing accessories by the way i've got my sunglasses metal and indigo have their headphones fringy has a mask unless that's his face who knows we'll never we'll never know but you wouldn't want to go there you go and then you have your mask as well so we're all we're all accessorized here on e-fan does that make us better people true and two of us are naked so yeah i'm gonna confirm which those two are just to leave it up to the audience imagination right i mean there's not i i don't leave much to the imagination but yeah that's for you that's that's for you guys to worry about lego star wars is playing at 830 oh my god oh wow really i can't get in there unless i'm r2d2 that is fucked up what is that like our local theater is playing lego star wars like there was a movie for it hell yeah i would hope so fuck there's like i guess they're still making like um the lego ninjago movies ninjago movies uh i guess so yeah i don't really i haven't seen them i don't think i've seen any of the lego movies i heard that the lego movie was pretty good yeah i like that right i like lego batman as well that was a cool movie ninjago was kind of shit though wow wow wow by because it's because they're it's about the yellow people all lego people for the most part yellow yeah a nice sneak in you did there for the most part and wow i can't believe you just ask a simple question any rags like oh it's about a particular kind of people it's like yeah most of them are about anyway do they live in the yellow zone in australia probably is that where all the lego people are is that why they color it yellow because lego's don't need water i feel like lego's probably do need water what are you basing that over here you're doing research that's good enough for me i haven't done any research on it i'm disappointed you might be satisfied with this lack of research ranks but i wanted to know more about the yellow people yeah i was that well i was asking fringy because he said in ninjago ninjago movie was not good he said it was he said it was terrible he said that it was he said that the lego the ninjago movie needed a great reset i think is what were his exact words that he i think those are your exact words no i think we were all here and we heard it but that's all i think if you replay the um i think if you replay the audio of the podcast you'll hear you saying it will be found guilty you have to check no i don't i don't think so probably some slurs in there too maybe yeah because yeah the three of us heard you say it but that's all right um tell us why was why was the ninja why was the ninja go movie bad and like a movie good because i haven't seen either i remember and avoid the racism please i can barely grasp on to ninjago that movie they're they're foreign language so little about it a value i remember it was just a really lame sort of standard story that didn't really have much going on in terms of like death or or anything i remember so i think he could have confused me because they just didn't seem like real characters unlike in the other movie i don't really i feel like you could have done a better synopsis that didn't involve the slanny eyes and the ching chong words um we can call it that seemed a little that seemed a little over the top for me i see that that's really important to you with the fact that you just invented it as a thing that i said but no i didn't invent it that's what they look like we don't need to dive more into your deep-seated racism towards particular types of lego people that's okay no no i'm on the edge of my seat otherwise he could reach the keyboard yeah yes no mostly because i want to leave but also that but no i i don't have to sit on the edge of my uh seat here so uh not for me i got uh it's all here here we go here it is tap tap tap tippy tap tap oh no the death star people are all sleeping uh um jet fuel can't melt steel beams but i know what can oh no yes it's really that's just the straightforward vision if this if the steel beams weren't doing what they were supposed to they would have been melted wait fort nine canonically saved Thor from melting begins filming at the mouth and sees it Jackie Chan was in the Ninjago movie yeah it was that's good that's i'm proud a lot of people wouldn't be proud of that i i feel like he should be well i was in it i'm so excited Dave franco was in it olivia munn uh olivia mum was in a predator movie jeannie yes she was well yes she was yeah there was the lego movie too and i remember really being very disappointed with it so i'm looking at some of the people who were in the cast of uh oh michael strahan was it um but like this guy here this this this gentleman named zack woods he looks he doesn't he looks like so someone who's just drawn poorly let me tell you you're supposed to 2016 he is in silicon valley he plays jarrod and um he is the best character in that show he is like an incredibly talented comedic he's in the office so i will i will not accept any besmirching of zack woods he isn't he is an extremely funny character that's an interesting there's that's an interesting looking character right there he's so he's he's uh he plays dinesh in uh silicon valley another great character from that picking on his show right so here's the thing was there anyone who was in silicon valley who wasn't in the lego ninja go movie so well i feel like the more interesting thing is that a lot of the people a lot of the people who were in um silicon valley have now cropped up in marvel stuff so the teacher uh the teacher on um the spider-man movies he played gilfoil it's a totally different character in the show oh my god fringy you're right look yeah yeah how do you know a lot of them get into marvel you know much like everybody is which they're building their their careers brick by brick that's why well i don't know if it's building because like silicon valley is great well spider-man stuff's good so there's that so that's kind of like a lateral move but uh like as far the stuff out of there all right then uh for every low-key episode the end game script increases by two hours i'm so sorry i predicted the show would destroy everything have fun boys hmm yeah well yeah in the other way uh you guys need to see game theories video on the sniderverse and how the snider cut is the good timeline and joss is the bad timeline lol it's bad um how unless like in terms of events joss's was clearly the one with the happier ending mm-hmm like oh yeah because sniders essentially sets up the fact that there's going to be a mat like an invasion tomorrow by an intergalactic army that can make a portal that just destroys all of earth in joss's it's sort of the implication step and wolf yeah so um but maybe they're talking about a different kind of good bad dichotomy there i don't know uh each show breaks a different stone wander broke the red one loki broke the green one which one did falcon break i like this midnight streams high um i don't know that loki broke one stone why would you say that loki broke the cosmos and all the stones in it yeah as for uh wander breaking one stone it's like wonder uh i feel like she broke more than one stone she broke the mind stone as well in a certain sense she broke my mind stone and definitely the reality stone she broke that yeah oh that the last episode of that that's our that's a one out of ten so we got three that is one out of ten yeah i'm happy to hold out a one yeah we did talk about it we boosted up so well so this was the thing uh we said like there is a significant difference between the end of one division and this beginning of loki in terms of the impact yeah and so could it be said that loki is a low one and that the end of one division was a high one yeah because the thing is i don't think i'm happy to give one division a two because i feel like batwoman this standard episode of batwoman is better than one division episode nine yeah i feel you're right um yeah so loki yeah i'm safe saying that loki is a low one and one division finale is a high one yeah and so was like so what is a zero and it should be like so the point of us never reaching a zero is the even with loki's situation we are still able to understand some form of linearity even if it's the thinnest ever yeah crawling is still technically moving forwards um and a zero means that it's just not even a story yeah it's like it it just doesn't even apply um it's possible for there to be a 10 out of 10 however i don't think it's it's not it's not possible to be zero out of 10 story because it wouldn't even like qualify at that point unless you want to say oh this this i don't know door hinge is a zero out of 10 story we're on a gas in a way it it is in a way in a way in a way has to go been through some shit dude that's not fair i feel bad about dropping all these guys into this pit but it has to be done it has to be done it's either of emory you meld toward meld hood oh wow that counts okay i can't believe i told you that loki and wanda are both one we knew that before you said anything we knew that before today i was gonna say like it was just i think what we said i just had to be reminded of it it was brought up yeah it was just you know we always have to reaffirm the scale to make sure we know where things are placed yeah wandavision sort of slips from my mind sometimes yeah for what it some things just stick and wandavision isn't one of those things that sticks it's not a sticky show it doesn't stick in my memory doesn't give you the big stick and as em light shaman said it needs to have a certain stickiness all right that was a have you not seen that interview do you think we'll ever have an em light shaman i probably that sounds like the kind of thing that would be in a yms clip of or something it was in a yms clip it was um all right because he was doing an incident he's like oh whenever i'm working on a story it has to have a stickiness to it and if it has a stickiness i can throw thousands of ideas at it and it was just like i don't know what you're saying all right the weird one did any of you guys ever see lady in the water no i did there's a character in that film that's a film critic and he gets horribly murdered she feel like that i think it's a didn't read loads of media cover that i think that's why i saw that uh i'm not sure that they covered it i am pretty sure i first heard about the existence of it through yms and then i watched it and it's fucking funny is that doesn't does this shaman lawn does he play a character in that movie yes he's like the prophet or something he can see the future oh he's neil green something like that it's um i think it's the worst of all of his cameos in terms of what it tells you about him well remember there was another interview where he was like i don't know what's going on with the critics in north america and he was then going to say like oh you know in europe they get it like my films have better reviews in europe because it's just you know they're more used to like slow-paced stuff americans want to be fast and quick i have more it's actually sensibility to my it's really just a um it's an insult to europeans that they rated your movies higher than americans i don't know i don't know that's right higher though i think that's the problem is he like i don't even think that they're making it higher yeah the shaman lawn movie you've have arc one day so many arcs to come um i can't believe they removed daredevil from canon but are keeping one division in this show i don't know that we know yet whether are the netflix stuff is like canon or not it seems like they haven't made up their mind yet and there's so many people who are like making canon everybody thought it was great for the most part yeah there is absolutely no fucking reason that they wouldn't there is not even at least with tlj there's so many complaints from so many people but this is pretty fringe on the internet and people will automatically assume you didn't like it because and then insert stupid reason mm-hmm you're the like little woman with the big characters like i don't like look either it's like don't uh hmm you don't like contemplative shows that a character studies and there you go don't make sure you get them into a box of some kind yeah character detention character it's like the the wall the subtle imagery of the kids being put on the conveyor belts and the school and they come out that's what characters that's what they do with characters they put the character on the conveyor belt and it goes to the machine and it just turns into a different person i feel like that conveyor belt would match what they're doing with the mcu now everything we liked about it it's on a conveyor belt and one by one towards and you could say like one by one but loki just wiped out it's like well look what loki wiped out still felt like one thing that it did it to it's just that it was the biggest chunk of the pie and everything's kind of one thing it's like the pie you know it's not individual slices it's just the pie i just went into a sacrifice room and had three chests and they had all troll bombs and i lost a lot of health and i'm very upset about it should have had a fuse cutter that's that's all i have to say but i had to go in there otherwise i would have been melted right that's how it works wow relinquishes responsibility she viewed it um with each reset everyone in existence gets a slight degree of more tizmic after a while they're in a pool of their own drool and it has to be reset you the old drool pool the more it gets reset the more they need to reset it oh no this sounds complicated uh stop stop the mcu is already dead yeah i know officially yeah it's it's definitely a zombie now definitely a zombie i mean it was a major trouble after end game and look what all this shit we just went through it's like um this literally ruined every marvel movie for me i literally cannot rewatch any of the movies i love knowing this so that's the thing you have to just not know it it has to be something that's just not true because you need to convince yourself that this is meta level meddling by someone in the universe and it's not real do what you can do what you can so every time when a single wrong person was tested they melted i don't know who knows what i'm fucking who knows yeah being a racist doesn't make tlj any better that is true that is true i'll be the response it seems like a very roundabout way for us to try and make tlj better but well they have to try right i have to see if it works does it make the show or the movie good if everyone's racist it's like well we'll give it a shot oh those sound effects like the end of sphere let us forget so that works for that would work for us but even if in universe loki made a wish like in the sphere the movie good morris fish spring um that still wouldn't fix what actually happens which is the issue keep thinking how will sam ramy's film work hi rags hi uh i have no idea i have no idea how any of this is gonna work i don't know if all these scripts are being written with this in mind but um we're gonna see am i the only so am i the only person who confuses sphere with event horizon they're both science fiction quasi magical laurence fishburn starring uh adventures in inhospitable environments and claustrophobic places so you can see the connection i could i could see how you might confuse those yeah but just does someone say laurence fishburn yeah that's laurence fishburn sphere with sam ramy oh it was yeah yeah i thought it was see i confused the two as well not the two black folks i mean the two movies just so we're clear wait is laurence fishburn and samuel jackson in sphere no i think it's just i think samuel jackson's in sphere also i haven't seen this movie probably over a decade and fishburn is in event horizon and someone had said i confused them a lot the movies and clearly i have confused them as well so you confused the black people you are racist i might have done that as well but didn't it wasn't there an interview where someone was interviewing samuel jackson and the interviewer called him laurence fishburn i think so there's there's something there's clearly so clearly this phenomenon is not restricted to myself because you're there's reminding me of something to do with that yeah there's something i don't know maybe it's i don't know what it is oh no maybe it's because they both have the sort of no change to them or no oh if you if you're if you're saying they're easy to mix up i completely disagree like they fucking completely different but that could be because i know them so well maybe because i would because it's people these people never mix up samuel l jackson and like cuba gooding jr right more tiger woods but i think i think it's i think it's more the fundamental thing of like people are not going to mix up like scarlett joe hanson with angelina jolly you know like that's not a mix up that's going to happen so like you're interviewing samuel jackson so laurence fishburn it's like yeah it's weird when he's in front of you and you're talking to him and you've supposedly prepped all these questions for an interview like when you were called in forest whittaker or something it's just like yeah yeah it's not like i'm remembering a movie that i saw like a decade ago if not longer because i don't know who else was in the sphere or it may be just fear i don't know who else was in it except for laurence l jackson i like how when you put on the hat as jubacher doesn't fit and it just sits on your head lego lego for me you put this silver hat on and it just fucks up and sits on your head all weird but it still works someone called samuel l jackson the black guy from the matrix i like it uh wait i just realized every plot hole in contrivance in the mcu can be explained with the time lizards made it that way yep that's just what we wanted everything was a script they wrote that are you kidding me they really want to destroy everything don't they i don't think they see it that way they see it as fun it's whole thing is a load of fun makes a shit on the money and people enjoy it because yeah yeah do you think people mix up daniel radcliffe and elisha wood i think they that was somebody brought back horsemen it was a joke in brojack was it yeah it was um oh yeah do you remember that one more it was the it was the game show that was had a really funny name celebrities what what do they know do they know things let's find out i don't want to remember that i'm just saying things about bojack people won't like and then yeah the joke was that bojack deliberately called daniel radcliffe elisha wood because he was making fun of him because daniel radcliffe didn't remember bojack's name because that's how much of an asshole he is and then because of that a hundred thousand dollars was meant to go to charity got set on fire because that's how the game show works okay that's terrible to set that money on fire yeah but see it's funny yeah that's pretty nice that's that is why i laughed yeah well we had we had that happen not long ago so we were talking about the dalmatian movie i think someone said or asked wasn't it meryl streep who played um uh yeah cruella when it was glenn close so yeah you're i can understand that one yeah i can understand that one which means the racist white people is what that kind of yeah that's the oldest sexist like if somebody mistook meryl streep the hell in the mirror and even though i think that one makes less sense i guess i could see somebody doing that i oh one i've done i have i have access even though i don't i confuse their names not the actors but uh chris evans and uh chris evans and chris pine chris pine yeah how do you like are you syrup because it's well because they're both reasonable freaky quad isn't reasonable evans like i feel like you could mix them names this small all right mix up the names maybe and plus they're chris they're both chris and they're both attractive gentlemen chris do you mix up chris hemsworth with chris evans um they're both in the 30s they're both attracted i could see how someone would i could see how someone mix them up i don't but i could see how somebody would wow he disapproves right we gotta do i mean so i just so this is like a total sidebar there's oh they got released for black widow where there's like her and the sister character they're getting chased by a bunch of other black widows we're trying to kill them uh and then they they jump onto a pipe that they can disconnect by pulling one nail out and then the pipe starts falling towards another building and then one of the evil black widow people jumps nat catches her for some reason and says i got you and then that black widow starts trying to kill her and my thought is is this like what's happening in the mcu where obvious bad guys are allowed to live because like i don't know we just don't know who the good guys and the bad guys are i guess why would you try to save them i was gonna say like black widow kills the shit out of all kinds of people she must really not want to kill these guys i guess so maybe maybe there's like maybe it's because the oh my god evil black widows it's a bit easy i bumped into a twitch stream in the game oh god look at that wow is it a naked woman in a hot tub oh my god and you're ripping their arms off how could you well i don't need them oh fuck this game all right oh what about what about mark walberg and matt daemon i don't mix them up i'm pretty i'm pretty sure i mix them up in the past all right carry on all right um have we reached the limit of believability yet considering us you know on every individual some people didn't even notice you know they were like wow this is great uh but um i don't know it's too like for loki i can't i think it's become i can't separate what's happening and like the bigger picture in a way like it's too it's i guess it's just hard to describe how my brain like i i'm really good at rolling with it you know mentally just to be in the film like i'm i'm but it's i don't know it's all a mess anyway i hope you make it rags i really do no um well so here's the thing it's it's like it's given me like it's it's like um the chain has been broken right i've been unleashed i'm no longer tied to the mcu anymore um i'm like i don't i feel like free in a way like it's so it's both thoroughly had strings now and well like i just don't care anymore and it's kind of liberating to not give a shit about the mcu anymore because now it's all just ruined on a core fundamental level universally so it was just that final little push that my brain needed to just let it go i wouldn't call it a little push yeah well it only i guess i was teetering and it only would have taken a little push you know they decided to give you a shove because i'm falling off of the cliff of caring and i'm and i'm like glorious descent into other things and maybe guardians three can swoop in and save me superman style um and be like no no no there are things worth caring about in this universe but it'll it'll be tough what i'm what i'm basically saying is i hope the lit this the space lizards have a really good plan for the guardians yeah i agree with that uh some of you of cool don't be late for work tomorrow yeah well what if you need to be late though how are you supposed to know how you're supposed to know i think being aware of the tv a that's even more terrifying really yeah because you're like you feel helpless how can i possibly distinguish between what i'm supposed to do and what's a deviancy from it i there's no it's mysterious ways it's there's there's no distinguishing aspect between the two one of the holocaust is good and well i'm and period in it there mm-hmm i mean that's the part that's those space lizard plan so how could you possibly know what you're supposed to do or not there's no there's no like uh criteria for what is the correct way in the incorrect way you can't figure it out you're just supposed to play along with a script you've never read that's not scary at all and plus it's not just for you right it's not just you getting melted you know if anyone else fucks up in there and then there go through of life you're gonna get reset yeah yeah you could get melted because someone else went off track expose which i assume is the whole universe but i don't like it would have a lot quoted many many air quotes logically so many finger quotes i'm making right now um i look like a i don't even know what i look like but a dog making air quotes at his desk alone in his room but logically you would have to erase the entire universe right you can't just erase up you can't just reset a planet well it's still has to interact with other heavenly bodies picture the sacred timeline and then a variant timeline begins because of Loki doing the thing and they literally cut off the variant timeline at the at the root being the sacred timeline so they have to destroy the entire thing with those grenades i guess which by the way holy fuck those grenades they're so tiny too well you think that this would use a grenade the use grenades to get rid of the timeline thingy i don't know i assume so that's the reset thingy and then evil low key well i'm not gonna i'm gonna stop calling her evil low key good virtuous low key steals one of the time bombs which i don't know why that would do anything they would just use the time bomb somewhere else it doesn't matter where you set it off as long as it's somewhere in the cosmos it resets everything so what wait unless that's the only one and it gets reused but that can be the case right because then they have to come in after it resets the timeline and have to pick it up i feel like the script is a little messy oh a little bit yeah a little bit i'll give you that he's the shea guvara of low keys what shea guvara did everything according to the time lizards plan all right every time shea guvara used the n word that was the sacred timeline oh no i'm gonna say in a way we all submit to the timeline i think that's beautiful in a sense it doesn't make sense in some other senses it's some other things so because of the timescale is bucky suddenly couldn't walk or smash the chip in tws yeah that was them that did that you said it things do make some more sense now uh constant south park and simpson's references rye w rye why zero fucks given analysis of everything ozzy's this isn't an efab podcast it's a british friendly geordies also high rag hello british friendly geordies i'm on board with south park and simpson's references yeah yeah what if thanos was dusted right after he snapped his fingers in infinity war so considering what happens in game that would have been the preferable thing yeah fuck yeah that would have been yeah and he's totally fine with it he smiles uh but and yeah we would make bullshit with thanos thanos it's obvious that time started with the formation of america and proceeds forward thanks to freedom powered by bald eagles on little treadmills oh that's true i knew it uh hitler was stopped more the man who ended him as a goddamn hero and i won't let you slander his name that's fair absolutely the guy who killed hero is a fucking hero guy who killed hero the guy who killed hitler they need to make they need to make a bunch of statues to that man yeah a documentary going over his heroic deeds documentary documentary i remember that he succeeded were so many others failed yeah very impressive rags get drunk on stream and invite j-tech tv oh fuck that's a name i haven't heard in a long time i don't want to get drunk on stream because if i get because if i get drunk on stream then i am miserable afterwards even though it's very funny and you might have a borrow mirror afterwards i cried for i will cry for i'll go lay down on my bed and i will cry for boromir have you guys tried pretending it's what you wanted also high rags hello well i can't say that that hasn't crossed my mind as a possibility though as was the case when we first covered the video that said that i don't think it's a fantastic way to deal with content that you find to be shit you know like oh i didn't pretend it's what you want it's like wow i don't give you my coins you see boromir had not died he would have been melted as true undeniable um no one's ever really gone vision l baggins certainly not in the mcu now which is great by the way adding to the the other issue i guess we touched on it but just i really don't like the loki isn't villain loki already i was fucking fast um but does he know what a dog is or a mootle but the guy who didn't know what fish were does he know what dogs are or what mootle is suppose we'll have to find out in future episodes the exciting to find out there i hope james gunn doesn't reset gamora and treat her like a new character and pete will have to accept the fact his girlfriend died a new gamora can't replace it this is the thing i think that's what i would try and do if i was right and i would be like these two are going to be friends they're not going to have um the other relationship because uh all i suppose it just depends on how you you believe things would turn out and that can be complicated because honestly a lot of different things could happen it's just the the fact that i think in a casual sense i don't know that viewers should just get back what we had already it would be like why not try something new and there's no reason why you can't but holy shit if gamora gets reset to where she was as well we're in for a fun ride uh open the ramen packet spider inside please help me that's not much we can do i think we've already gotten to that point you know we can feel bad for you hmm are you like a real fast character to do that or can you not have any keys if you all cooperated with me i'd be able to do it right now bastards uh this is piss on the casket and fire it into the sun i think that's in reference to just the mcu at this point can't be sure though fish we're like playing is why are you playing as chubaca instead of the others why wouldn't i play as chubaca instead of the others well i i don't i don't know i the there's four of them so i was curious why why him of the four um because i like chubaca i think he's neat did i pass or are you just are you just fulfilling the stereotype that he has become a glorified chauffeur just leading the other characters around well if he's leading these guys around that's a pretty good role to have oh this can move yeah but ray was really amazing well yeah she is obviously better than all of these characters put together but i still feel like it's worth something to be putting these characters in their place wherever you want to put them put them in a pocket also who doesn't love using the crossbow uh well bowcaster when you push wait wait go go back to the thing you were pushing a moment ago the green thing with who uh i guess anybody so you were you pushed it with leia so when she was like backing into it pushing it with her back does every so chubaca pushes forwards she was pushing like with her back do the oh so she pushes differently what about luke oh wow they all kind of pushed differently and he pushed oh he's got a little different animation too yeah it's neat yeah they are so they all pushing differently neo little uh fish were like the first things on earth an apt quote for someone from a fictional place fun fact first fish are closer to us than the bag of earth oh beginning of it the beginning um yeah they are of course uh um yeah it's baffling that they wouldn't know what fish is uh fish references yeah i'm baffled i changed time cops to agents to allow that's all that says all right all right i agree um how did superjail do time police better than marvel i can't remember off the top of my head the specifics of it but basically the warden gets accused of a bunch of a of time crimes charged with all many many counts of time crime because see like i think the thing is the warden in some future like takes over the world and fights against the the nations of the world and there's this big earth-wide civil war and it's just destructive and a lot of people die and so the time police they capture him before he does it and they convict him of time crime so like even that is so these these space police or whatever at least they're like oh you do some something horrible and terrible in the future so we're gonna try and stop you from doing that which already makes them better than the space lizards in a way so ain't it neat to see Chewbacca driving this thing around me looks like he's having so much fun so if they push the same they'd be melted that's very true that's cool but you can write around and you look cool guys i couldn't super chat cop what the fuck youtube and then someone else says call lyre oh i guess you can get exposed well the fact that they super chat cop oh it was it was spaces between it i suppose all right oh that's weird that they only say cop well the other guy got it um so everything i thought he had it well the two of them sent it but one of them had spaces yeah so everything in the mcu is because of scaly's what the fuck i i didn't write it you know i i don't know um biggest jigs time agents or captain allow 9 11 well they did too so they were their way was they allowed all kinds of horrible things to happen what are the helmets let you do i can get through stormtrooper security checks with this that was a pretty convincing disguise yep it's more sense than mando do you have a face yes okay here's your data do you have a face this is unironically you're right this is better than security man though see look it works these guys aren't even bothered by my existence i mean you're one of them yep how could they tell the difference hi ana happy to see you yeah she did pop on for a bit she uh did not enjoy the episode they deserved a time crime don't see something even more disturbing i'm going to clean a window that you never seen this in children's game uh hey rags question does this mean that world war two in germany is the proper timeline according to this show yeah yeah holocaust in world war two and all that's that's part of sacred timeline wouldn't want to change that 11 sacred timeline uh seems we've been delivered another oh go ahead oh no i'm quite i was just going to name off some other horrific atrocities but i think the point is pretty it's pretty good um seems we've been delivered another dung sandwich from the mcu phase bore i have zero interest or hope in anything post endgame yes i know endgame is bad um there were nice things about endgame though i would be curious if they have no interest in guardians three that seems to be the one a lot of people still hang on to hope for i'm pretty sure dr strange two is doomed yeah not yeah so we should see hi rags please say funny australian mountain out loud oh i don't know if i'm allowed to say that one probably not but there's plenty of other mountains you could you could yeah like kill a manjaro yeah that's a funny one do it in australian accent kill a manjaro yeah that's not how it's said wow all right yeah climb that mountaintop hop on there with my kangaroo near power p9 we're gonna just hip hop right to the top i said it was a picnic so i see from twitter loki is bad not surprised toby lads while suffering are doing good also hi anna i mean yeah i guess it'll be the next wednesday assuming we're just we just happen to be in a coal and we're free we'll probably watch it as it comes out but i don't think there should be any expectation that we'll be streaming like every time or anything that first episode was just catastrophic it was so bad we had to say something yeah and you know if it was like the next episode i picture is just going to be an adventure of some kind through time they go back to a time they have a fight la la la like i'm sure it'll be fine in terms of it'll be bad but it won't be episode one bad because they've already set the stage with all of that bullshit so you know it'll be great um are they making a what if series yes i think they are yeah i thought the affiliate they were asking is like is that what loki is there's like no should be should be yeah you know what loki should be it should be what if the writing was catastrophic and we're like uh-huh it's a fun little little deviation there we don't live in that world yeah it was nice to see it nice to see it as a cautionary tale a warning we'll just move right along you know we wouldn't want to consider ourselves with that being reality i'm drunk all right drunk super chatting is a dangerous wow this feels very dangerous uh those lizards sound like in uni in uni fan fiction writers and yeah i mean the whole these shows feel like they're written by fan like say that yeah maybe not maybe fans wouldn't write this i don't know you'd think that the fan wouldn't want to undermine the entirety of the mcu i mean they call themselves fans obviously so yeah i mean maybe maybe that's the thing maybe if you call yourself a fan and that's what you write like fuck off is that all it takes to be considered fan fiction it's like i guess so like if someone said i'm a huge fan of wander max moth when making that show i'd be like are you nuts why would you say this and do that to her and that goes the same for all the other shit too so many storm tropes i am it's technically legal disney to do star wars mcu crossover uh i don't know what would be involved with them getting that to work i'm assuming it is possible but like would it be nightmare in terms of contracts i don't know maybe i wouldn't know is there any way to make existing outside time and space work in a story they did this in adventure time with the time room i don't have to watch that again but i guess you've got to be incredibly explicit on how the fuck this thing that you've established as possible is possible because it yeah just sounds so fucking insane if you want to establish that there is a place in your universe that does not exist in your universe it's like um um haven't seen it it garbage is it tross uh is it greater or trot is so is it worse or better than the riser skywalker it's like well it'd be worse it's worse yeah i stopped watching marvel stuff after far from home guess i made a good decision yeah if you stop there you should have avoided the that's just the three tv shows right so uh yeah that's it yeah i wouldn't recommend any of the three so far so i want to see a long man lizard boss also high rags i think rags has gone to the toilet nothing um hello rags and gang i live in japan so i really catch you live also youtube is racist they won't take my japanese money oh damn they don't want japanese money that is so fucked up oh attacking me while i'm trying to do this this seems kind of fucked up jeez molly you've been one crazy busy drink a friday night tights catch up bbc also can you get dank and saugh gone for gothic phone i'm on board with that if we can get that oh yeah we will totally and i feel like that could be lots of fun hey there we go all right what is pulling these two oh i've already done that earlier i feel like i'm not going to get the true jedi in this one doesn't mean i won't try hello berbik uh-huh oh my god ifab at work yes yes yes this would have been for the stream time i assume hello molla g'day fringy high rags hello glad i stopped watching marvel halfway through wonder vision seems like the writers didn't even watch all of the movies well if they did they only remembered the parts that they wanted to respect that um boldness yeah there's always some way to compliment it i swear hi rags i haven't seen the episode yet but i've heard it's very tizamy yes might have gone a bit more context for that by now also is this a stormtrooper yeah it is thank goodness i could go back if any of you find gentlemen checked out bo bernam's new netflix special it's simply amazing extremely emotional and brilliantly written i have not i don't know if either of you guys have no i don't think so i think it was cool it was inside i've heard of it but i haven't seen it so now we have captain marvel and the eternals and a quantum time police who could have stopped than us got it these writers at marvel astounding last thing um not clear that they want uh that to happen also that superjump by the way that was sent in by great cthulhu at least that's what the name says wow um but yeah we don't know that the tba would have wanted to stop than us yet we'll we'll see about that we don't know what the fuck's going on with them really um so out of wilds finally now that moodle loved it you know whether metal liked it or not was never going to be the deciding factor it was always just interesting to know and he told me that it was terrible so they're not supposed to know that and you know i'm just not enticed not enticed that was hi i hope you uh would you guys would love it if you guys checked out the fan film predator dark ages for nifat mini would want to see what you think if it's better than the latest movies i would assume it's better than the latest movies because my god the predator it's just another yeah yeah bone is a bit of the most movies these days there you go um would love to go away that's a death damn luke just fucking these guys out reference though i like it i have nuts uh was the tally tubby influence pronounced in episode one um the tally tubby influence uh if we may have mentioned having politicians in their torsos was that was that did that reflect on loki perhaps the show i mean i i am can't remember because i do remember springing up tally tubby's at some point it might have been that the writing in tally tubby's was really better which is true by the way um but yeah as for that uh predator fan film thing i mean i might check it at some point no guarantees you know how how it goes i can't remember if i've been heard of that before though it sounds vaguely familiar but i always mix it up with that darth mole one that a lot of people uh spread around this just says evening evening to you evening mola i'm sorry i'm so sorry i watched army of the dead and why also high right yeah i mean you know we try to save people from watching army of the dead um i i don't know i've only seen drinkers coverage of it um and he thought it was terrible i did anyone love it out there did it have a single fan i'm sure it must have i said it before a friend of mine said it was all right that doesn't count he's not human oh okay i'll i'll let him know next time i'll see him they're probably gonna ask him why because he's german yeah all right yeah need more studs i know right screw spoilers we come here for your thoughts if i wanted my thoughts i would talk to myself in public oh don't do that don't do it in public you're gonna look at your weed ah true jedi uh it's 4 30 in the morning at a gas station drinking coffee having a cigarette mola's live fuck yeah well i assume you wouldn't have seen the Loki episode at that point so you probably got a spoiler or two about just how incredible it is great go down and uh and the last one of that stream is the lowest of the keys that's what someone said sounds to me yeah i got nothing to criticize on that one makes sense now i shall begin going through the ones of this stream the fist is hi rags hello the second is hi mola hi rags hi fringy hi indigo not hi to you metal well let go focus on hi hi i didn't say hi what's that about hey you hate coffee i'm so done with the mcu only thing i'm even remotely interested in is guardians three because of gun can't believe people eat this crap up well so the interesting thing for that is how far do you think you could go with a show before they would uh they would actually reject it because of its bad writing now i think the game of thrones season eight kind of proved that it was like there is a limit because it seemed that fucking the general public hated that too like my family didn't like it my dentist didn't like it like it was they managed to actually push it hard enough the normal people were like this is shit so what if loki that episode was exactly the same except loki actively acknowledged or no one wilson actively acknowledged and said explicitly that all the things the avengers ever did and all the stuff was you know predetermined it couldn't have happened any other way if they ever deviated we melted them you think that people would have turned on it if they were just explicit about it um so there's two possibilities for me that come before that one happening one they go no that's not going to be true like if you wait for the series to unfold i'm sure they'll explain what they actually what actually happened and then the other thing would be that they think that's kind of cool like oh wow think of the whole mcu all of that was being orchestrated by these people like how does oh wow that's so interesting i guess we're all here like what but it's not interesting no it's awful i don't know how do i just stop being i don't want to be you anymore c3bio but yeah i would like to really test the limits on that one and if game of thrones season 8 is something to go by it's like you have to assassinate everybody and build up something for it before a decade and end it bad it seems to be the requirement but you know it's pretty easy um watch invincible please it's very bad oh no put that on the pile on all the things people said about it yeah well should we get it should we get an update from chat how are we feeling about invincible these days chat you can you can use any singular word like good bad great okay mediocre you know what do we what do we got we are cut god we got uh invisible is not bad it's okay fun it's big oof okay pretty bad always bad four or five moist good lame overrated slower slower chat it's not gonna go slower if you tell them to do that it's woke oh my god meh okay entertaining nor i like it it was great good unknown not like that bad characters risk plot meh meh blood good unknown i'm just having to be here meh it's just so many different opinions about invincible chat we need you to be singular okay and decide that metal fuck you i saw you oh shit it's casually announcing it's better than metals like that it's a pizza wine pizza that's pretty good though yeah i'll take the woke is low but the rest is meh all right can we start using woke as a fucking yeah because i don't care i don't care it's work i care it's gonna be anything about it well that's the problem these days depends who you talk to it's like woke to some people could be like the craziest of batwild in this nonsense or it could be but there's there's someone in there that ain't looking quite the way i want him to um where are we had to run over here from vox's channel he tried to make me watch the panty sniffer again oh that like that's a good thing right i don't i don't know um hey oh everybody butt rags also hello ragu you massive flag it hello oh uh demura morison confirms robot rodriguez has returned to direct multiple episodes of the book of boba fat well great great great great great great action scenes more knee rockets fuck yeah what else is it to say really though it's just gonna be like a boat you just wanted to put that out there book of boba fat will probably be like that episode episode six of manager season two but just every episode he's gonna be blasting don't be blasting how do i get into my ship give me oh i gotta kill some people first for this um freedom isn't free no there's a half difficult thing yeah that's the thing man like you know all those people who fought for freedom they never had it the lizards had it that's right if only they knew if only they knew uh also playing god of war again man i love the story and the dynamic between atreus and kratos want ragnarok now looks okay we can wait all right last lights go next year now isn't it that's fine with me as long as it ends up being pretty good don't make me happy mc was the problem of x has been there the whole time but didn't do anything until now syndrome captain marvel turnals time lizards agatha yeah um this is the fucking problem when you didn't establish these characters earlier uh you you have to this is the kind of the interesting thing i suppose you have to adapt them to account for this in terms of it's almost like how will you guys introduce captain marvel and it's like maybe you have it so his star his story starts you know post in the morning day yeah i know yeah like how all of these other heroes their stories were starting and going on you know they weren't just oh the whole time turns out i was here and doing all this stuff and i was the real hero and did to do yeah because you don't have to deal then with the fucking bullshit of you know i was here the whole time you guys were named after me how about that wow thanks you're my favorite captain marvel oh did anyone ever say that there's there's probably someone out there who think captain marvel is asked queen stuff yeah wow there are people out there who think that mera is awesome and it's like who is she she's nothing character it's just that you think she's hot all right mirror fans and cat you you gotta go yeah hold on i know there's a lot of you but he's enough uh hey mola been a fan of yours for one sec it takes way longer than it should all right pretend that you've only just seen the meme now no no right they will do fine right they will do fine no they won't 705 dollars it's shipped around the world three times three times shipped to a different planet they shipped to mola's handbag oh my goodness i'm doing a vehicle level let's hope it's better than the last one we did uh hey mola been a fan of yours for a very long time and loved your game video essays i'm currently in the middle of making a lengthy video essay explaining why shadow the hedgehog was a good game oh no no come on really are you a man not entitled to his opinion free shadow the hedgehog is not a good game oh did you do an extensive breakdown i have played it a few times there's a long time oh a few times well it must be great then if you played it a few times must be an expert i guess well you're gonna substantiate your outrageous claim one of the things i remember about shadow the hedgehog is that it kind of had the problem that a lot of 3d sonics had around that time incredibly flupy controls being the biggest issue a lot of those games had flupy controls and mechanics and like the the inclusion of weapons was weird because from what i remember just spinning and hitting stuff like that was the most effective way to play that game using guns was just stupid but it's just because they're like hey wouldn't it be cool if edgy the hedgy had like a m4a1 or that is cool what the fuck is wrong with you how do we always end up as solid liable platform that's adaptable to the reason why we end up with shadow the hedgehog is stringy why would you ever need to pick up this gun if you could just spin and hone it home attack on things and then that does it anyway but quicker because how could that be quicker than the gun because the bullets just simply don't do as much damage like if you hone attack on stuff from what i remember you like blow it up instantly or like if not instantly at least after two hits and that the guns take a lot longer because they're robots let me look up some shadow the hedgehog gameplay to remind myself of that i remember the story was really stupid as well just saying you disagree with this person's assessment yeah yeah it is exactly what i remember it being just really bad mechanics really wonky but like you would agree it's pretty cool like the game was pretty cool i don't think there's really anything cool about it when i was a kid i probably thought it was cool but like not there's really nothing cool about it well you know what they can't say i didn't try to defend shadow the hedgehog i tried oh yeah the camera was really bad in that game too as i just look up this footage yeah um well funnily enough the thing ends with any tips or comments oh don't do a thing defending shadow the hedgehog well as long as you have it clear if you have the arguments that's all that matters yeah well i was gonna say whatever their foundation is for what makes a good game if they make that clear and then they clearly define the shadow the hedgehog fulfills that then uh yeah you know but shadow the hedgehog doesn't fulfill anyone's standards for a good game so you know damn i'm feeling it free are we getting a video for shadow the hedgehog i'm not i know it doesn't deserve it damn guys end game earned it but shadow the hedgehog couldn't i feel like i am i am very much not interested in ever having to play shadow the hedgehog again so how much would we have to donate to you to get you to play it live on stream to completion oh boy that's i mean that might be fun well you know that might get a good idea get a get a some kind of goal on your stream and see if people are interested i don't know that i need to set a goal that might just be something i do because it's just a nice guy is that game available on steam let's see um is it oh no it's not it's just getting q ps2 and xbox okay all right well dolphin yeah dolphin don't it's a it's a thought all right okay sonia thought calm down i got all the stuff to do like the end game video playing halo what wow yeah and then playing halo yeah that's me now he's played um resident evil eight i played titan full two a little bit and i played um civilization once yeah there you go um but yeah you know good luck with the video and thank you rags froggy make penguin play bf4 and the new one yeah what i think more than the new one i think they want rags and for you to make me play battlefield four and the new one all right oh no you should the new one being 2042 oh okay you don't need us yeah i'm assuming the new one being 2042 what if it's terrible though ah i mean it might be who knows what shall we do soma is 80 off on steam go get it well if you folks haven't picked up soma and we're thinking you might apparently it's 80 off right now which that's a steal get in there all right something i just realized while we've been doing the e-fap there have been a couple of e-3 things happening here soft and stuff um i just i'm just looking through this it takes two wipes to know you need two wipes to know you need um that's a good name is that meant to be confucius um that's that's good um so it looks like well uber soft brawl howler and teenage mutant ninja turtles okay rainbow six extraction i think that's meant to be like the co-op zombie thing for honor oh my god you're five i didn't know that game was still around in fact the only thing here that actually seems noteworthy is they're making a sequel to the mario and rabid's game that's like the only thing that seems oh and an avatar video game okay which avatar app you know avatar the james cameron one that you know it's that to coincide with the the movies then or i think so but it looks like a legit proper game because it's it's got like super duper beefed up graphics like this is like an actual video game instead of just weird i mean i uh but it's like just there's no gameplay or anything it's just showing landscapes hmm man e3 off to a really great start the most notable thing is mario and rabid's everyone's favorite i will look honestly that first game was pretty good summer games festival already had elton ring e3 oh yes that's right well e3's got all the microsoft stuff right and then and then we're very next right and who else oh well nintendo is nintendo is probably the one i'm looking forward to the most i'm pretty sure right now i don't know of any upcoming games that are like that we know anything about at all so i'm hoping there'll be lots of new things maybe do mario maybe we'll find it when zelda is coming out metroid prime 4 that'd be nice please but probably not hmm a man can dream though and can dream um has anyone read the mistborn series that's a big no from me and from the silence i'm guessing that's a no from everyone i haven't read it no i would watch the st snider cut any abram's films literally any bad film that efab covered then watching an episode of reality tv show rtv is a mental disorder bomb that was thrown on mankind but i mean reality tv can be really funny it can be oh you know like kitchen nightmares is kind of like that right yeah kitchen nightmares super fun i suppose it was just a pen on the argument because if they were going with the argument of like they dictate how you can feel about it like baked into the content itself and it's filled with a horrible people because they're all day to make money and stuff i don't know but well kitchen yeah but like host kitchen that's really funny i love that show i also why are you get out take your jacket off and get your house it's raw and now i'm just doing all the quotes fucking raw fucking raw what the fuck is going on chimichanga more like chimichak in the bin you fuck off out of here you donkey yeah i see that in chat there's the classic of like uh you know this is fro this isn't fresh and they're like it was fresh but it was frozen yeah fresh frozen that's all right it comes in fresh and then you freeze it's like oh so it's frozen unless i'm to assume that you have to beat off of the cow while it was frozen in carbon night like everything's fresh until you freeze it there was a there's so many funny words just for that there's over a guy put i think it was put raw onion into like a french onion soup it's just like you know what's the matter with you you gotta scream i don't want to clip the audio and hurt everybody's ears yeah that'll be racist um i think tf2 started with the crates thing with random drops um i don't know who we can trace it back to i don't know whether where this starts but uh tf2 would be an early one i suppose um i know a lot of people uh remember that dead space threes in game microtransactions were the first significant ones yeah that was the beginning of the end and that was when i was starting to figure out it's like oh i can't do this bunch but if we dial it back up i was a little i now this might be worth talking about i saw someone in the comments say that they part that they partly blame total biscuit for this because he said cosmetic microtransactions are okay and i feel compelled to defend him a bit i'm sure he total biscuit i mean you know yeah i i think that's the important thing it's like our microtransactions inherently bad the answer is no um because the easiest way to think about it would be here's a game we want to support it for ongoing like we want this game to be ongoing we want to upkeep the servers we want to keep updating the game so that people keep coming back what if we had a system where you could buy skins for like 10 cents and you can buy any skin you want for 10 cents you don't have to engage with a loot box system or microtransactions i think that's a pretty fair system that'd be incredibly fair that is like the most fair that i would expect a lot of dimes your way yeah that would be cool and then it's like you dial it up a dollar for each skin it's like that's still i think that's still pretty fair and it's like five dollars uh ten dollars it's like oh oh also it's loot boxes so you can't pick the skins you want oh no also battle pass so you have to keep playing time well yeah it's like there are degrees of bad the way they would often do it in like free to play games would be like you can pay you know twenty dollars for this top level amazing animations and particle effects skin or you can buy the fifteen dollar double like random of that high level skin like if they all count as legendary skins for example so you can get the fifteen dollar loot box it gives you two random ones for two champions so you get that and you end up with two champions you didn't really want then you're like you know it's better value though than buying the skin outright maybe i'll just buy a whole bunch of these it's like it begins there we yeah it's already over i think i think it's just fundamentally micro transactions it's not binary good or bad it's by degrees so like the worst would be loot boxes for game changing items at incredibly high prices like that's the worst or maybe the worst would just be being able to buy the best items in the game outright um and then it dulls back to like so cosmetic micro transactions are definitely better than game changing i don't even think that's up the debate but there's degrees to which you can have cosmetic and i think yeah like total i don't think total biscuit knew that it would get like this i'm sure that he would have lots to say about all of this total basement is like one of the i get frustrated when people take shots at him i think that the amount of good he did for the gaming industry is pretty tremendous yeah it is and um let's not forget the amount of people that were more than favor that he had to like deal with as a as a pushback to like it was because you know i just remember a time it was just him and jim stealing over and over again videos about how it's like he's getting very bad everyone problem is it was too late we didn't stop it quickly enough so now people make videos about it but if over looking back i kind of think like maybe there was never any stopping it it was always gonna happen yeah i don't know i feel like it taps into there's that crook cat video where he just has the story of narcissists being played as you're watching people unlocking i feel like the clearest one was i don't care what it looks like it's a knife this is not we are the whole point of these cosmetics is that you're meant to be buying stuff because you appreciate the aesthetic yeah and literally we reached a point where you don't care what the aesthetic is you just glad that you have it this is a fucked economy in terms of you know in terms of products and then you know videos of people unlocking like a thousand boxes screaming so loud that they're clipping their mics about how they unlock skins and like cs go or overwatch or something it's just yep i i i hate it and yeah i really hate it you know how do you not done what he did we would have just been we're out but faster i think so i think it's just i think micro transactions tap into really shitty aspects of the human condition that we just haven't overcome which is a desire to be special and stand out even if that means acquiring an aesthetic that you're never going to be able to appreciate because it's a first-person game but you don't care because you want other people to see it i think that's a very human thing and of course just the dopamine hits every time you unlock crate loud noises flashing lights give you a little bit of dopamine but you don't have to earn it you don't have to do anything for it and then you have a bunch of people who are just basically addicted to dopamine just unlocking things over and over spending thousands of dollars in FIFA ultimate team or whatever it's called which by the way FIFA ultimate team made more money last year than all of the game sales of every EA game including FIFA combined like the physical sale of games means nothing at this point when EA are making more money from just one live service game why EA would keep doing live service games that's where we're at pretty much yeah so battlefield 2042 after initial patches or battlefield 3 4 battlefield 2 until they shut down servers i'm not sure battlefield 4 is good i like 3 a lot like why would um why would battlefield 2042 be in this when you haven't been able to play it yet you know it's not out yet yeah yeah it's kind of a weird choice to make give it time hello Mola can't wait for the house of ashes slash a machine for pigs play through for halloween yeah i'm still on board with doing that i don't know what a house of ashes is though do you know what that is anyone that's the um isn't that the new dark anthology pictures things oh yeah yeah well yeah like i said i'm still not a hundred percent on board with that if we have to do remote play like it i hated that so yeah remote play is basically unusable fucking annoying as hell i'm not even sure how we managed to do it to be honest with you because our input is connected to my pc no i'm saying i don't know how we managed to do it in terms of like patience oh yeah i mean we're like oh it's because we were playing a game where your inputs don't matter that's probably true in that case yeah we the way we could do it is the i buy it and then you guys have the stream up or something i don't know well the thing was when we all connected to my pc like my stream was stuttering like crazy like the stream did not like that at all so i don't know if that's gonna impact your stream as well no machine or creature enjoyed that yeah no every the cosmos was cringing no like guys why are you playing that it's like we didn't mean though so are we oh grandma's talking just got beat oh no yes look at all those lego bricks oof on solar just got beaten up bing bing bing um ringy thoughts on china allowing families to have three kids now hi rags hello i don't have any thoughts on that damn no thoughts on that all right our comedy is exempt from some objective criticism like it not making sense but that's why it's funny like airplane top secret monty python comedy makes it a bit more difficult to figure out um but i don't know that you can use it as a outright defense for instance if you are trying to have meaningful states like bojack can't then excuse the jokes for undermining how the world works loki's doing all them yes like it's not the pure i think if you're not really going for those types of payoffs then it becomes less significant because the the intention is purely comedy yeah i was gonna say the payoffs tied to uh airplane top secret monty python are all non like drama yeah it's all comedy so they're just trying to get a subjective reaction out of you which is why it's in bojack they want meaningful stakes like for instance having the episode after the most significant moment in the whole series b oh no a bunch of spaghetti that's getting heated up by a bunch of mirrors from two ships that crashed into each other is falling on the city if only there was somebody who just recently established a rideshare company who also bought 10 000 spaghetti strainers if only there was someone like that this is just front i don't even know how to describe that so it sounds so indebted sounds hilarious and you know you're nitpicking a little bit i'm gonna say got him fucking got him dude good job i can't play any of this music game i told you no music pretty sure the first game did this better this is like the sequel and it's fucking up on that but that's fine 15.2 percent of the game complete guys nailed it more more uh the lizards are white black with it 52 percent of the original trilogy done uh no of the game of the game that includes how many episodes yeah i'm a little confused too really i don't want to give you guys the answer like what do you think it is well i don't know out of why have you heard what i was listening what is what was the percentage just i'm at 15.2 15.15 well i guess like all the all the 15.3 that makes perfect sense we thought you said 50.2 yeah yeah i thought you said 50 so it's if it's 15.2 of all content in the game well yeah all unlocks or presumably all things i can collect or unlock yeah well but i better be honest is more than i would have thought i'd have at this point because i haven't done i haven't done much well a lot of games are like that in a sense that when you go through the story you could get you know 70 80 percent of all the stuff are 90 and then it's that last 10 percent of going through and finding the little collectibles and getting all the secret stuff that it isn't a lot of things but it could be time consuming and they could they could be you know big rewards well i have 352 000 studs i need like a million to buy invincibility and two million to buy times two studs so so what's the point so can you actually have a fail state in this game depends on how you define fail state because you can get killed you can lose your money and you cannot unlock things if you play badly oh you lose that much um yeah i mean if if you lose enough studs and enough like blue ones fall off the map and stuff you'll have to redo it to get true Jedi i think i failed that one or two times in the air not typically i'm not like a chat you'll appreciate the um i'm kind of an expert this game i'd say pro mlg i've set a few records while we've been streaming this i think well you do have 15 percent of the game done so which yeah i mean named one other person who's done that level that's that's a true jedi right there what other unlocks are there apart from invincibility um you can double up your damage on your lightsabers your whoa last tours it cuts through everything better yes can you unlock a desert eagle though yes fuck yeah well yeah that's true because the main hub is the is on tattooing so there's probably a lot of desert eagles there yeah i got one million percent nice that's lies and slender this leg of stars pay to win yes the more you pay to unlock the better that your characters unlock things uh the lizards are why black widows womb is destroyed true they're responsible for everything have any of you seen barry it's one of my favorite shows and i'd love to hear your thoughts heart uh-oh here we go it wasn't this meant to have at some point so it's not it's not like this is new news right well maybe it is remember that i know could be new for this person yeah um well you know what bring you you really like the show at one point right yeah so i watched the show and i was like hey more you should check out barry and then you did it's also rewatching it yeah it's not good it's uh it's actually it's actually a pretty good example of the bojack issue where like the comedy completely undermines the stakes and the comedy is also not very good so like he kind of just doesn't function at all on any level um barry is significantly hurt by its comedy there are some great scenes in it and like bill haters really good in it but yeah yeah no it's no good the material he was given was more consistently drama focused because yeah because that's the best part of the show well yeah like i was so impressed by one of the scenes i showed rags it out of context and i was just like look at this scene in the car is excellent yeah i really really like this scene but um then it immediately sort of moves on after that because we got no time it's only eight episodes and they're half an hour long so like there's no time in this show and you remember that episode in season two that was just like this weird bizarre one where he fought that dude and then there was that crazy kid do you remember that episode mohler yeah she's on like the rooftop right yeah and she's like weird she's basically just like an animal or like a rabid dog or something but like a human being yeah it's really bizarre i'm pretty sure i was testing my limits on keeping watching the show at that point yeah but then we pushed right through the uh to the end because it doesn't take long because the show's so short yeah again i think i think i kind of had a big realization with with barry and bojack after that was just like man i don't know i wish that there were like that there were these dramas that could balance like black comedy in a way that works really well and i still got to believe that there's a way that it can be done like media like what's that sorry drama the idea it's black comedy oh sorry drama i think i said drama is the balance black didn't i or maybe i didn't like i want drama is it can balance comedy and it's just like i don't know it's it's yeah um barry's not good i wouldn't recommend watching it there there are scenes that are cool but i feel like the best i could say is you could watch those out of context but like don't let it trick you well there you go which is probably not what they wanted to yeah yeah uh i was i was just like yeah i'll check it out and i think i think it was just you you described the premise and i was like yeah this sounds pretty cool i want to see it now and there's a cool premise by the way uh firstly uh the things chat for but i think the i think uh i said oh because your joke died i get points for what it did that's all right itself that's okay it ran it went for cigarettes and never came back but my favorite i think my favorite it well not favorite the movie that i laughed at more than any other for whatever reason was death at a funeral which is um i i just i don't know what it was i just fucking laughed a lot of that hope you were high you don't know the british or american one uh i think the american one fucking hell i just laughed i i here's the thing i don't remember any of the jokes or any of anything from it i just remember laughing about it's sad because the british one is considered the superior and i think they're both fucking terrible like the it's so weird that you bring that up because i like wouldn't surprise me yeah it would surprise me at all if it was terrible and i wouldn't laugh at it now at all but i know when i went see it the first time i just laughed at it a shit ton i don't know maybe i laughed like someone in a straight jacket i don't know i laughed more than my black friend that i took to go see it there's um when i saw i was just like it's just filled with like basic stereotype humor lots of it um like oh man we got to get the old angry uncle onto the toilet oh no i put my hand on his poop oh no i accidentally hit my face with my hand now the poop's on my face oh that's gross it's like i wanted to die when i was watching comedy like that it's like it's like well a lot of people just accuse family guy of being which is true significant degree but yeah rags laps at funerals omg so yes i've only been to a funeral i didn't laugh maybe it's because the person didn't die in a really funny way maybe this is like a subject times when you've laughed where you really wanted not to i've got one well it's a school in general isn't it i don't remember it's gonna be a school yeah for example i'm going harder because you're just not allowed to yeah you know i couldn't even tell you any jokes that happened at that time but just trying not to burst or laughing because you know you're gonna get in trouble yeah literally the fact that you're not supposed to is what's fueling the desire yeah that's why that's why i love watching those i don't know if you guys are aware of those uh batsu games from japan where they have like a group of people actually i think the same group of people uh at least some of them uh did these silent library things i think those are more well known where they not allowed to laugh and if they love they get like punished they get get get get slapped or something and they have like every year they have like a whole day with like a theme and they have like a whole production where they rent out like a huge building and then they have like a i don't know a reporter theme and then they have like all these japanese comedians and actors going around just making skits and they just try not to laugh because otherwise they just get slapped it's uh it's fucking i love that i love that show it's so funny i think it works so well too because it's in japan because japan is mostly like super quiet with everything and then you have like scenarios that are like outlandish yeah i like the idea of corporal punishment for expressing joy outwardly moly you sound like you had a story what what's the story yeah so um like i said high school and um it was uh whenever the remembrance day it would be there was like a particular thing that would always happen oh yeah yeah this is gonna be flashback the uh the song they would play with you know like trumpets and stuff the final yeah last part isn't it that's what's good um i forget the specific part there's just a part that i guess it's like a single instrument doing a creating that kind of sound and my friends before going in they made this idea where they were like sometimes it kind of sounds like a big fart and can you imagine like if that was the ceremony like someone farts but in a musical way and everyone appreciates that and it's like very meaningful to do such a thing like that and so when that part came and i saw them and they were both fucking giggling i just remember being like this is how the fuck can i not laugh right now and it's like a yeah just just you know a thousand people pay respect you're just like jesus christ yes i just find this so interesting because one of my examples was i think i was six years old and um it was the last post that was playing and there were parts that did just sound like weirdly similar to that and then you just start laughing and you know you're supposed to which is what makes it harder to not laugh yeah um i remember one of them was uh i went it was like a church camp and um on the drive there we were listening to a it was like a stand-up special or something where it was a dude just making prank calls and i remember finding it really funny and then there was like oh a group prayer and then i just started thinking about the bits from that uh from that dbd that were really funny you try and get it out of your head but it's like don't think of an elephant don't you know like it's got a hard knot to and i'm pretty sure people noticed because how could they not it's silent and you just hear yeah yeah when you cover it up with like coughing coughing yeah the laughing there is one i guess the only example i have of that is i went to church a lot um when i was younger all everything i did was when i was younger but when uh when i went to like elementary school and stuff it was a catholic school and so every like friday or something go once uh once a week we would have mass so i would for up until high school i had mass twice a week once for school and once for the proper time um and one of the things that me and my friends would do to try and get some enjoyment out of that fucking snooze fest was we would open up the hymn the hymnal books and we would add in the bathroom to the end of all of the hymn name titles and for for like you know if you're a young kid if you're a grade and younger that's fucking hilarious when you take some of these hymn names and add in the bathroom in christ alone in the bathroom i love to tell the story in the bathroom for all the saints in the bathroom and that would just make us giggle and laugh and we would point to him if you would have to say anything we'd know what we meant when we held the book open one of us pointed to a song title and i remember one time where i just i cracked up i don't know which one it was i don't know what i don't know what which song it was but i laughed out loud in the middle of mass everyone's being quiet and i just burst out with this laugh but i think i was able to cover it up with a cough sort of um i like i pretended it was a cough out of nowhere and i think that i think that saved it but i know my friends started cracking up next to me but i when i was so loud with how i laughed in church like that but just think it back on it man i am uh yeah that that's probably my example i can't think of any of these good times i think is that it for the the lot of us? yeah i can't think of any specific uh memory to be honest just like schooled stuff random shit you just say i guess oh yeah yeah just no specific memory just lots of them happening i guess that's just how it goes there is a fountain filled with blood in the bathroom i noticed you mentioned speed racer 2007 in your tlj critique i grew up with that movie and was wondering what you and the cast think of it um i can't remember even what i referenced it for anymore and it's been so long since 2007 which is probably when i saw it that i don't really remember much of anything about it what do you remember about herbie fully loaded lindsey lohan yeah she was in that did you play the herbie fully loaded uh gameboy advanced uh video game i don't know if i was that lucky it came with uh it came with a mini movie poster well i mean i'd hope so did you know that michael keaton was in it yes i did know that good for him i don't i don't know who played herbie though the owen wilson i mean wow okay yeah maybe if owen wilson was a car i could see him being a bug well all right so you just have you not watched cars i think you wanted to make a joke all right do you think so yeah right do you know did you know that owen wilson played lightning queen in the 2000 yeah in the car yeah but he doesn't he just doesn't give me race car vibes he gives me like beetle vibes he gives me roadster kind of like maybe like a like a bug or a or a i don't know maybe uh maybe a like one of those old pt cruisers that still has the wood paneling on the side he'd be one of the dukes of hazard drive right i don't know about that right did you know that he was a duke of hazard no i didn't well i remember that movie vaguely i know that ben still wasn't it they were in so many movies together i'm pretty sure they were buddy so yeah do you know that owen wilson was supposed to be in tropic thunder that really yeah but matthew mcconnell he took his position when he i read this on reddit and i might be mixing up two stories but these two things are true i just don't know if they were connected um i think he attempted suicide uh owen wilson and it made it sort of he couldn't um oh you have to recover to get to that position again or i'm mixing that up with another celebrity so wait are you talking about um dukes of was he in what what like the original no i i don't even know what i'm basing it on i i was just fucking around like a hazard um the the closest reference i think i even have are you talking about the johnny noxville wasn't he in it yeah i think you yeah oh that's the jessica simpson one right yes i don't know yeah i yeah that's right the the thing that i my brain would have been referencing more so is i think star skin hutch maybe yeah that was him yeah owen wilson and ben stiller were in star skin hutch that's right yeah now it's all stoneman yeah it's all coming together yeah it was included it was a double featured where you had star skin hutch which was still earn wilson with the dukes of hazard which had johnny noxville jessica simpson and uh shawnt william scott we had two ends in shawnt that's shawnt with two ends i remember shawnt william scott where did he go he probably died in a car accident oh i don't think that's not any i'm pretty sure he's still around just not doing much he was in goon did you guys see goon goon yeah i saw the goon ease i'm not gonna know what goon is different are we talking about the 2011 movie i would guess that's probably close enough yes it was hockey i have no idea i liked it maybe we should watch that at some point because shawnt william scott's last movie as far as i'm aware it's just the last one i saw it but he was in final destination he had a really grim death oh yeah those was that was a movie series yeah well let's see shawnt william scott let's look up his end and the uh let me see he was in welcome to flash it's a tv series that's currently running he was on lethal weapon from 2018 2019 uh super troopers to goon last of the enforcers that was 2017 oh ice age collision course ice age the great excapade nice it's always sunny in philadelphia oh i oh he's the voice of crash from ice age that's why which one yeah i don't remember which one is that the the raccoon possum one is that the possum one i don't know is the one with the acorns no that's that's scrat ice age collision course is a 2016 film when scrat's acorn sends an asteroid to earth oh the herd must find a way to stop the asteroid from hitting with the help of a returning friend so here's the thing i'm not certain with ice age level technology i want to see this movie now have some faith we were talking about power creep earlier yeah remember when the first ice age was about getting a baby back to its and now we're stopping asteroids i feel like that makes sense what when you were describing the synopsis i was like it's probably going to be asteroids and then you said it and i was like that just lines up i need to know how scrat's acorn sends an asteroid to earth what horrific series of events has occurred probably is more so tied to the lizards oh is it speaking of power creep we're gonna keep the audience interested ever do wow you dumbo should play doki doki literature club i i i see you're still going points for effort love uncut gems what do you guys think of it i still haven't seen it i meant to see it but never did i imagine that's the same more similar to the other two lands i also still need to see fort versus ferrari that's supposed to be pretty good too ah you should yes right this car's in that movie oh it's past furious oh it's past the ferrarius for a dammit you're a pastor oh fuck yeah i'm gonna make you make sure for our list of movies are we gonna have an ice age arc i'd like to maybe we could do it like side by side with the the shrek arc maybe we could that when it starts getting cold sorry for you but when it starts getting cold why i didn't say anything but i was totally silent uh we can watch the ice age movies and that'll be our winner winner is coming and that's a reference to of course ice age um that's the tagline famous tagline of the ice age movies winner is coming so it seems appropriate yeah the ice age please coming you know those ice age movies were actually pretty successful there's one of the things well yeah they made a like they made like a five or six well i just remember the first movie was it came out and it was you know it did all right and then um the the second one came out did better but still it was like decent and then the third one like made about a billion dollars just out of nowhere dinosaurs yeah that one just made so much money well here let me look up i think it was at the time one of the highest grossing films uh animated films ever okay we oh there's going to be one in 2022 all right so we've got wow ice age ice age the meltdown ice age out of the dinosaurs ice age continental drift yeah then we have the aforementioned ice age collision course and in 2022 they're making ice age adventures of buck wild wait are they i thought that um blue sky shut down i thought blue sky uh had shut down they're the guys i don't know um i don't think well it says it's the um on the possibility of a potential that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's i stayed around the two pairs but while i was building the pro okay so uh on october 25th 2019 after the acquisition of 21st century fox by disney of course the project was confirmed to still be in development for disney club on december right 20 thank goodness the project was confirmed to have been redeveloped as a film and to be titled ice age adventures of buck wild centering around buck going on an adventure in the dinosaur world with crash and eddie the film is set to release in early 2022 and will feature simon peg reprising his role as the title character all right simon peg yeah yeah i want to i'll see that there was that thick-ass mammoth played yeah i was like my right i was thinking of the race guy walker ray romano was the oh he's a thick-ass mammoth too i yeah i can see why your mind went to him first yeah that's fair enough well i don't remember the girl but that's fair enough that's fine that's fine what are you implying rags what what is your issue he's a more famous actor it's just interesting that you went on it i kept repeating like oh yeah he's fair enough and then you like did his head he said fair at all the way that he said fair enough was a little bit weird that's all no it's always how we say fair enough except right then when i referenced me saying fair enough like i usually do including that time but ray you know sounds like you sort of confused there no i wasn't i actually was it actually sounds it doesn't sound like you were clear at all all right now do you need to listen better i guess i don't know you need to speak better i don't know what to say you know everyone else got it maybe you and australian two percent yellow wow backwards australian wow wow rags wow you are literally geographically you are literally backwards from me right now based on your point of view but from my point of view the emus are wrong well i would hope that you would say that it would be very disconcerting if you were sympathetic to those conquerors well it's not it's not really a choice that i'm making i don't want to get melted i can't that's true that's true the emus sympathizes you know or anybody who ratted out during like any war you know they had to otherwise they would have been melted that's just how it goes um as for that question in chat i do know what the gimpy gimpy plants is i don't know that i want to i'm sure it has and i'm not sure that i want to scare people the shit out of people by uh recounting exactly what that is it's horrifying yeah it is should be called the no plan what just no don't touch it just please for the noble move away do not question it no this shouldn't exist no this is god made a mistake one of many what a better year i don't know this was just feels like an out of season april fools joke yes like of all of his mistakes you like this one though i don't know i feel like this was a mistake if it was a little bit delicious if i'm being honest but he's and he's like what no that that's just as like yeah i left the the cooker on or whatever when i was making stuff and yeah and you know i it was burning and i had to run and fix it and then i just sort of put it on autopilot to figure out that particular plan it's like whoa you could just delete it from existence it's like i could but i'm perfect snow i don't make mistakes i don't want to get melted you know i don't want to get melted by the yeah god is afraid of the space lizards i would be yeah i would be if i were him i would be right i don't if i'm not afraid then that's how i was supposed to feel about yeah i guess no okay in case in case people don't know the gimpy gimpy plant is and highly i don't know if you describe it as poisonous or it is a highly painful plant that has been likened to being on fire when you touch it like it feels like your skin is on fire that's the gist of it you don't and it looks like a normal plant too so you got to be careful and the big takeaway was it is long lasting near permanent effects of touching it of like if you ever come into contact with cold water it will feel like you're burning um and there was there was a man i believe it was shortly after world war one who went out into the forest and he was found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound and his pants were down um so that's that's why it's been likened to the suicide plant that's that is your brief history of the gimpy gimpy plants be careful if you go to the tropical regions of this country so there you go see yeah that's your your brief recount of the the gimpy gimpy plant so if it was so it doesn't sound like calling it the gimpy gimpy plant it doesn't yeah it doesn't really sell just how cautious you need to be if you encounter this plant the guy who discovered it did that on purpose he's like i want to make sense i i don't know why it's called well his name was his name was john does his name was jonathan gimpy why did he call him gimpy gimpy oh because his brother discovered it yeah yeah him and his brother jonathan were out in the the out in the bush country and they discovered this plant and their their aboriginal guide um touched it and i was from the town of gimpy that's why that's called the all right i was telling the story i know you're telling the story but there is a real story not your fake story oh yeah but sometimes the real story is shit and lame and the lie is much more entertaining the light well yeah because it's i guess it's not as apparently it's still it's just from the language of the gubby gubby people who are from you shouldn't laugh at that that's just the name of this that's the fucking watch me laugh at that when we laugh when we're not supposed to the gubby guppy people found sounds like a fucking star wars thing i remember when the first villager gumby gumby well i mean if it's well remember there were i think i was mentioning waga waga is a real place we have some very interesting names for uh places here waga waga these are these are wamp names you can't be using them yeah not wamp names that's offensive that you would describe them as wamp names why why are you upset by the concept of wamp names i'm not upset by the concept of wamp names i just find it weird that you would call something that is not a wamp name you said it was offensive not weird yeah it could be offensive that you would be describing something that isn't a wamp name rolling it back fringy oh yeah is that what you reckon debate tactics fringy slippery spineless slippery fringy i like all these references that a lot of people aren't going to get non-efat stuff i think so it's an in-joke okay it's very special it's very much an in-joke yeah you need to be watching the right kind of youtubers but i yeah so that that's to answer your question yeah that's what the gimpy gimpy plans is be careful yeah so don't touch it don't touch it yes that's the last thing don't use it to your god don't use it as toilet paper out no don't do that don't do that i can't imagine what they must have thought when they went out there and discovered that scene like i don't oh yeah there's a lot of things you could have thought you know um i'm working on a really in-depth critique of halo 4 and you just really inspired me thanks a bunch fringleton you guys are my inspiration oh cool i'm right with talking about the i hope you're talking about how awful it is but you know if not that's still cool this regards when we were talking about the right and stuff at the beginning of the yeah i think oh gotcha gotcha five hours ago right yeah well i don't know maybe the object that causes horrific pain when you touch it maybe that would inspire you to make a halo 4 review so who knows mm-hmm through that um did you guys like the ending for no country to no country for old men i know a lot of people haven't watched it i have not watched it not the second one be careful wait does the second one yeah he said he said no he said no man oh i thought oh if i were to okay i thought this is a sequel i hadn't heard of but yeah i've seen no country for old men and yeah i haven't so um yeah be careful i do the chat said i know some people find the ending blue ballsy um without saying anything i would well you know i'd rather just watch it again before i would talk on it but um i really liked it so that's that's my strong i've only ever heard good things about it it's a good one yes um hey i'm the guy who made the post currently on chapter 69 of my first draft it's awesome have the post be featured thanks for the advice no pro blame yeah no worries yeah so good luck on your future writing endeavors yes oh more in-game tracks damn you wow the empire laughing as they destroy these cut scenes look at them so cruel so detailed bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum oh look at the romance too oh she's blushing you can tell they make it very clear oh there we go cancelled we get cancelled for blushing yes no han would get cancelled for catch here he should have let her fall yes i agree with that my ankles why didn't you catch me i don't want to he just holds up his phone with the twitter app have any of you experienced playing mega man games experience one on the game boy advance it was all right i think i played the demo of mega man 10 i think i've played more switch fan game of mega man than actual mega man i think mega man x was the one that i played a whole bunch of no sorry i think i think x2 x4 there's so many i don't know which x it was but it was nice one i played i played a non-official one that was really fucking good um i don't know what it was called anymore though but yeah my number nine i find that game so amusing the anime fan thing it's like what were you thinking it's a mega man who do you think the audience is clearly anime fans such a funny i remember i remember there were videos i've seen where people talk about capcom see look at mighty number nine you should have been making more mega man games and look at how successful the kickstarter was and the mighty number nine came out that's like oh yikes yeah i don't know what the fuck happened with that one though there's probably plenty of videos that have gone over it at this point i'm sure they have been and i'm sure a lot of them feature that anime fan on prom night pot in their video yeah i imagine a lot of the videos open with that yeah this is the story of mighty number nine anime fans uh so if you guys go off rags of script how do you get melted or do you get melted or does rags get melted for not enforcing it well enough i'd say we all do right um yeah everybody gets melted yeah something like that who knows who gets melted everyone gets reset anyway it's just you get melted and you get melted maybe getting reset more painful than getting melted we don't know wow yeah wow wasn't there that little girl though in that that would they be so evil to painfully melt just an innocent bystander well yeah because well yeah they are evil that's true they are yeah they're evil because like moments of consideration that they are just normal human beings it's like oh well they can't be with all the stuff they would have seen and enabled uh but will the show address that probably not uh play hades you massives it's great it is great that that's the stuff great cthulhu i've honed my craft for 12 years mohler i don't even know who you are that has had a lot of funny lines he really did yeah part one in relation to writing insecurities i don't think being demoralized by sheer scrutiny is the main issue what seems to be the big issue for me at least is not knowing which objective element in my story can be considered a flaw in the first place i get so caught up in e fapping my own work that almost everything in it can be seen as a flaw hmm i don't feel like that's what the process should yield that everything could be seen as a flaw i'll be able to identify flaws well it's gonna say we know better than anybody because of the people around us unfortunately that false positives are totally a thing um and it's it's only a matter of like there's not much we can do about that in terms of helping people because uh i feel like we don't come up with false positives that much we're pretty we're pretty solid um at least we really really try to be so but like if you are yielding that for example you're like um what's the example i used to go to the the fin one in in tlj pretty sure this is gonna come up in tfa part four actually where um the conversation begins at it's not a flaw it's fine everything's running great that's a great scene and someone goes well it is a flaw because he says um he doesn't know about the uh fucking uh the hyperdrive thing but then uh isn't it like a scene later he describes how to get to it because he knows about the breaker and then you're like so it is a flaw and then someone else says well no that's not a flaw because every single large process on the ship has a breaker he's just saying he knows where the large breakers are so he would know um you know about that that doesn't mean that he knew that there was a hyperspace tracker you just made that up you go oh so it's not a flaw and someone goes well no he knows where the specific one is he shows it on the map he's like this is exactly where the hyperspace tracker breaker is how could he know that that's where it is unless he knew what it was about which would be the hyperspace tracker besides why the fuck wouldn't he know that when he's worked on that ship this thing wasn't invented fucking yesterday and yesterday he was on that ship why did a naked guy die in the corner and get frozen in ice rags the world is another one over there the world is harsh and rough i don't know why you would even question it like this stuff happens all the time it's fair enough so my point was that you'd eventually conclude it is a flaw is my point with that um but you had to go through a bit of a process there lots of new information coming in this happened with a hold-up plan for fucking as you guys knew for like two years people being like nah she knew he was a mole now there was this now there was that now until it finally was like conceded once you get enough of the argument and but like you could argue in that process that both people are being very objective it's just their information is lacking on one side sometimes and that totally happens you can conclude something is really well-executed because you don't have all of the information and vice versa and so if that's what we're talking about where you're yielding false positives or false negatives and they keep flipping flapping all over the place and it's causing you huge distress because you just don't know when the process ends or something i should be like that's just something you've got to keep getting better at i suppose because i mean you know without being too um big gay that's like critical thinking right that's all that comes down to as well as just your perception of events like you've got to sometimes it sucks you've got to really really pay attention and especially if it's your own work you've got to really scrutinize and be like is this making sense or is it not hopefully that was what they were going for they said the is specifically not knowing which objective element in my story can be considered a flaw in the first place because if if they're just wondering what the core sort of detector is usually just breaches and cause and effect is kind of what we do yep does a connect to b connect to c basically if he won those awards he would have been melted yeah that's you could have got nominations he would have been melted yeah he had to get those two star reviews that he was very upset about yeah like don't blame us blame the fucking lizard people dude well we did wow yeah exactly they wanted this from uh if i was oppressing the upper writing class it's quite possible yes uh but i think we're gonna be fine with that you know we'll oppress you all day long baby god leo just taking them all out and then she dies uh like said um oh they went on to say part three so can they be a process or a piece of advice you can share that will provide some form of clarity and what to look out for hmm reporting facts i mean going more specific than that it's like does it make sense in terms of like the you know establish rules of that universe or it's attempts at appealing to reality um be on me all right yeah i wouldn't know what um if you're asking for like what things should come first over others it would just be a matter of like impact then if someone has the right costume on in the right times as long as that doesn't mean the difference between life and death it's not going to be a huge issue yeah hopefully you know because we gave a selection of answers there that hopefully cover that um you have a plan by default when you write something you're crafting a story of course you have an idea do your best and spend time figuring it out it's a long process believe in yourself i am on board with that believe in your idea with my own writing i will spend what feels like far too long rewriting a sentence for me to end up just saying he looked at the door but i think it's worth it um yeah i can do the same and this applies not just the writing and editing like re-drafting but also editing like the videos can be um you really want some kind of like grander idea and you need to experiment with it for a while before realizing actually it can be simple and that's fine yeah i don't think i think i don't know if we talked about it earlier but like um try not to consider anything wasted even to the point of losing files that one's a little harder to rationalize but yeah just think of it all as the process it's all important to leading to that finale whatever it may be just in in those highlight videos i make sometimes so they oh i'm just gonna finish this up today and then there's like one thing it's like oh shit i actually have no idea how to do this and then you just spend like fucking an hour or two to just figure out how this works and the next time it's just a thing over a couple of minutes because you know how to do it and you'll learn something and that's not wasted at all yeah uh i've been a subscriber of wolf before he met moeller i've been here since the start and seeing efap grow and the audience get bigger it's been funny to see you argue with new members of chat all people that don't understand what a standard is well yeah well we're doing it for well we're veterans of this shit now the times of tlj are over game of thrones is over riser skywalker is over dc arc is technically in progress but it feels like that was like something that's behind us in a sense right now i'm sure it'll restart yeah hope you hope you're having fun there are a lot of og people from when um i think it's in the first efap that i say like wolf will have to re-upload it and or or like something will have to happen to get context from his podcast something that's like yeah talk about all them kinds of origins so i think i guess c3p on here this way right theories hey moeller if you consider playing super mario galaxy during super chat catch-up i am on board with that i think whether or not it'll work with um what is it really not gonna stand on there dolphin can be a bit of a dingus with that oh he has to do it himself okay um yeah so if it runs well on dolphin i'll be on board with that we'll have to see i recommend everyone to watch the mitchell's versus the machines it commits to its absurd premise while also being consistently funny and having some hard hitting emotional payoffs i've seen in an animated movie well if that sounds tempting to all of you the mitchell's versus the machines they ever heard of it neither have i actually uh i uh curious if y'all have played dead cells thoughts on it have a great weekend i have not played it but i've heard it's very good instead of the horror game no it's a roguelike that's one of the games my chat uh keeps annoying me about to play what um drag your maybe you're thinking of spacecrunk it's a spacecrunk i don't think i was thinking of spacecrunk but i could see how you'd think of that from what i said what about gimpy gimpy space i careful for you might be back and then you'll you'll be upset at you fuck you to save on the gimpy gimpy space oh yeah i recognize dead cells but i've not played it um well metal you play it and then you can tell it's just good okay i can i did the thing with outer wilds kill that to death one first no have you finished outer wilds now it's all right like you or are you just obsessed with isek as i was having do it wait what's the question before isek uh so without a wilds i give you finish playing it or oh yeah a while ago uh i finished it in like two or three streams must be a pretty long ones i was pretty good actually i liked it a lot no if you can finish the game two to three streams it must be terrible oh yeah it makes sense oh man bad oh i mean definitely my obsession with the isek ends i'm uh gonna play helblight but right now i just i just need more isek i need isek in my veins yo you don't put games in your veins fool i need it put them games in your veins i've never like decent runs while i've been playing offline these days so i can't wait to just fail continuously next time i stream yeah you you don't want to waste all that failure by doing it alone oh the failure is always shared online my good my good runs with all the good items and the impossible to lose runs those are all offline do you guys remember that part of empire strikes back where Han and Leia have to do forward rolls down a sledge little i can't think of the word that i'm looking for here but press buttons this this part of the movie was always really weird to me always felt like it it stayed like it kind of stuck out but in the game it feels really at home you know i i like the way he rolls he really commits to that yeah he's good at it this is indiana jones after all you'll be okay mel we're here okay roam wasn't built in a day if 100 stories you write a sub 5 out of 10 and the next to 10 out of 10 because you learned from the mistakes of the first 100 they were worth being made right learn right again yep i'm bored with that guy that guy for present i say if it push you don't succeed give up the way they made time travel work in the mcu kang coming back won't change the future so what's the point now who's kang kang the conqueror kang tits is he's gonna be an ant man three he's like a big old big bad what is he uh whatever it's like powers do you know i don't know that much about him i just know he's a big bad let me look him up anything well i was just gonna say like yeah because it was like oh if he's just guy who does you know shoots lasers someone i'm like yeah i mean it probably won't matter um an opponent of the avengers generally he is a he isn't time traveler uh-oh oh no another fucking time traveler he'll be right at home you guys remember the villain of iron man one was just fat iron man a guy yeah he was chung the siren man and the villain of captain america was red flute guy yeah he's i don't red hit what are they i don't understand what they just went from this huge threat and just go straight to space lizards that control all of reality it's like do you just not want to chill for a bit and just do like normal people it's funny right because one of the things kevin foggy says is oh we're trying to slow down you know avengers end game that was like the end and it's like oh and so what have we scaled up to breaking reality twice space time and the multiverse i mean oh man i really hope they don't screw up dr doom but like i don't know because he's coming dr doom is coming he's definitely going to be showing up eventually yeah and people will get really high but then it'll be shit well like i said i think it's been put out for jim carlo esposito he should play him it's like yep i would happily take goss uh dr doom wow is that ray swapping though i feel like i i feel like it doesn't even like that's not really the important part it's it's always about like you know getting the best oh you well maybe that yeah maybe that's naive but like i'd be cool with that well it's swapping it the right way it quotes well you're picking an excellent actor so if that means switching them yeah whatever no i just meant that um say for example you really though if you cast a white guy as blade it would cause a fucking shit storm but if you cast a black guy oh yeah you know that let's cast a black guy as blade and say he's the first black superhero and everyone will love it someone suggested brian cranson i'd be up for that they passed an inflex luther so yeah you can get him for dr doom do it do it coward that'd be yeah that'd be great actually i'd be i'd yeah that'd be cool have them both and then they make a reference to cooking Elijah well yeah maybe he could handle that made the mistake of going to the marvel subreddit that takes hit my spirit also someone called fringy and owl an owl an owl is that because i was talking about how there were owls on the last stream that looks really cool maybe well you have the beak and maybe the yellow eyes yeah owl like owls don't have owls don't have massive protruding like beaks owls have really short beaks well you know you don't wear clothes either yeah there's that too yeah but also i owls have yellow eyes so maybe they plot that you know you like your bird like you have yellow eyes so you like an owl and there was a bird element to it it's one of the things i like about the design but yeah you can't even fly no i know i can't but i got goo that i could have said i don't know that that's true i could have said that but no this is an established thing fringy cannot fly so in in the lore of the comic that's something that you can remember it's like rick and morty rick can't kill death which is true he never has when you objectively rate full metal alchemist brotherhood i rank it almost equally with lord of the rings i'd have to rewatch it i have to rewatch it yeah i'm saying it i sure did like it though but it's pretty good Loki is worse than batwoman however morally repugnant batwoman heroes and themes are they do not technically harm the universal story they inhabit to the same degree as loki not even close yep yeah i agree yeah at least when the characters are shitty and batwoman they just it's localized it's localized tizm whereas there is no i wouldn't want to go into state that fuck me batwoman is funny like with how stupid and horrible everything is batwoman is very funny like loki wasn't funny it was just annoying hey maybe this is news apparently um the creator of five nights at freddy uh is kind of getting cancelled because he's donated to the republican party oh no that's not allowed you can't donate to one of the two political parties in the fucking country i think i think it's public record isn't it who maybe we need to rethink that that's public record do we want to rethink that if it's politically like if you can make campaign like if a company makes campaign contributions that might be some people would want to know about right um so the i don't know the problem is i guess people are getting cancelled for it's like uh oh well i guess you could it could be one of two ways either you just ban campaign financing or i don't know i don't know yeah you're right it might be a little more complicated it's a little bit worried that um you know that's a that's gonna be first to many you know the interest somebody said oh well he's not quote-unquote just a republican because he donated thousands because he's donated thousands it's like but he's wealthy right like he five nights at freddy probably made him a lot of money but also like why does it matter if it's if it has nothing to do with the uh with um with the game well why why would the game even come up i don't know yeah like yeah i don't know well why do i have a taunt on i don't remember i just have one i guess i can jump real high look at that taunt on look at him go oh that should do it yeah there we go you can help me get the money that's what he's for yes uh rest assured if but hurt creators weren't but hurt they would be melted oh well um since chaswick bowman chadwick bowsman passed away i'll bet a big mac that they bring back kill monger as the next black panther please don't melt me time wizards elizard sorry uh i don't know i think it'll be a little hidden one guy it'll be her i think that would probably be where i put my money but the thing is it would have been sure what i would put my money on is i honestly don't know what they're gonna do who i i just like if you told me it was any of those fucking options i'd just be like well there you go and that's what it is i i feel like it's just deduct like a coye or something is getting her own like little show now so i guess she's out and sure if the actress was anti-vaxxing stuff so she's probably out um which i guess leaves lupina nwango and plus i guess i i feel like that makes the most sense if you had to pick someone who was already on the cast instead of a brand new person that um not that i care about black panther law but like is it is it feasible to get her to take the role well what is the line of secession yeah well actually maybe if they had it so that they got married off screen or maybe he wrote down in his will i pick you yeah they could do it that way theoretically i want red skull to become black panther i doubt it will be kill monger i don't i thought i thought for you was gonna be like i doubt it'll be red skull rags i just totally disregard that obviously though i know that isn't the isn't the rumor that goes that like namor is going to be in it and so at lancis or whatever is part of it namo will be black panther that's often something that i say when i go to waffle house and they're putting syrup on my pancakes and they say is that enough and i say namor and they're pouring and pouring and pouring and then it's just syrup everywhere it floods all over the plate and it goes all over the table and it starts to drool down the size of the table under my lap um under the person across from me and then it seeps down to the floor and she's pouring and pouring and pouring and i haven't said i'm done yet and then the syrup just spills out it goes further and further and it hits the back wall and it starts filling up the kitchen then it clogs up all the drains and she's still pouring she's still pouring all that syrup and i'm just watching waiting because i'm not satisfied yet and the syrup slowly but surely it gets higher and higher and higher and after a few not gonna lie this is pretty weird up to our shoes and she's just pouring that syrup and pouring and pouring and then it gets even higher and it starts to fill up the whole waffle house and it gets to the door and you can't open the door anymore because of all the syrup it gets too thick and you just you're trapped inside and she's still pouring and then by the time i mean maybe he's waiting to be cut off i don't know everyone is just soaked in this sticky when they're just gonna they're gonna have ants but that's all right because you know but then i'll i'll call it and i'll say that's enough that's enough syrup for me and then she'll say all right and she'll go back to where she was at trying to refill on my tea by then so anyway name more um i got nothing actually someone said do you even know who name or is yes he's marvel's aquaman he's yes he is marvel's aquaman that's that's he's a bit more of a of a mean a bit of a dick yeah um he's like the sniders superman i guess uh yeah kind of um but maybe maybe name or maybe name or could be played by um what's that guy's name uh will him defer fuck what does that adam sandler and they could just call him water boy i guess i don't even believe that you three have seen that movie water boy yeah i haven't seen it i don't i've seen that one a long time ago i saw that i saw happy madison happy madison is the production company is it more and gillie madison uh fucking corrected right so i saw billy madison happy gilmore dodgeball why would you why don't adam sandler is possible why did you drastic that's been born why don't move on i i get how drastic cock fits in but i just do not see how dodgeball fit in yeah you can dodge a wrench you can dodge ball yeah bring those three's on the same wavelength sorry i'm a little tired i'm also a little tired we're only a fucking five and a half hours damn it can't be true though only five and a half hours i know but that's how it will bitch that'll be like only five and a half hour only six hour podcast with the fuck this isn't what i didn't pay for a little nicky yeah i remember that movie i was the rightest drunk no i'm not drunk i'm tired i've had a long couple of days oh i'm in the asteroid pot you guys remember the asteroids yep just says the time police with musical notes like the time police they're coming out of the portals the dream of the police i love that song i know it's a good song now it's about the time police so i don't know it's kind of tainted they live inside of your head that i keep blowing up so i think i can blow these things up once and they give me money but then they respawn they don't give me money so i want to make sure i blow them up at least once uh why couldn't they let Loki go back and bring the tesseract and restore the timeline but cap was able to go and restore all the stones because that was part of the plan seriously though that could be the the twist that he was never a variant and that they only they just wanted him for a job or some shit it's not going to fit in at all but i could see them doing it pulling out the old switcheroo cheers to james more best mod out there cheers to any of the uh mods floating around in this hair stream thank you very much for slapping anybody who may be doing a naughty can't be having that multi-verse war was something long and complicated from the comics that they have dumbed down for the show like they did Thanos for the movies um wasn't Thanos doing it to impress death in the comics i don't know that he's he's dumbed down by uh wanting to rid the world of like his plan was kind of silly but i don't know if that's dumbed down compared to wanting to impress a girl you know the things some guys will do for a shot at some tail yep i'll kill half the universe sure you will uh-huh well the death of that one is like whoa it's pretty hot dude Thanos i wouldn't date you if half the guys in the universe just disappeared when he makes it happen she's like i said i wouldn't wouldn't that i wouldn't and then he shoots a guy one more and she's like okay baby now now uh Zeiborne clock made more sense than this imagine four balls on the edge of a cliff say a direct copy of the ball nearest the cliff is sent to the back of the line of the balls and takes the place of the first ball what happens set one more time balls four balls on the edge of a cliff say a direct ball four balls on the edge of a cliff they're they are aligned parallel with the edge of the cliff or perpendicular it doesn't specify i assume parallel right it doesn't specify okay i'm gonna assume for this that they are parallel to the edge of the cliff so four balls on the edge of a cliff say a direct copy of the ball nearest the cliff is sent to the back of the line of balls and takes the place no so they are perpendicular because if they're parallel to the edge of the cliff then there's not one that's closest i mean so perpendicular there are four balls that are arranged perpendicular to the edge of a cliff and you're saying the one closest to the edge takes the place of the one in back all i can do is read it out to you rags i don't have any more information all right one more time four balls on the edge of a cliff say a direct copy of the ball nearest the cliff is sent to the back of the line of balls and takes the place of the first ball what happens so a direct copy of the ball closest to the cliff goes to the back of the ball line so now there's five balls but it's closer away from the cliff it just extends the line is just grown by one ball going towards the non-cliff side um it says it takes the place of the first ball no i'm not i'm confused they said i'm not mixing up perpendicular with parallel because if they were parallel then you wouldn't have the ball closest to the ledge they'd all be equal so perpendicular is the only way that makes sense because if they were perpendicular if they're at a 90 degree angle to the edge of the cliff then you would have a ball that is closest to the edge someone said i'm pretty sure that's a column not a line i'm pretty sure that you're a prick so there oh wow you have yeah i want you to take that to the bank and smoke it so you have four balls and then what a direct copy of the first ball closest to the ledge goes to the back of the ball line uh-huh no so now there are five balls oh it takes the place of the first ball the first from which was the first well that's the thing i can only read it out was the first is the first one the one towards the cliff or away from the cliff i can either way either way if it took the place of the first one with the first one being towards well it would just take its place and so now what do you do with the ball whose place it took where does it go is it to the side of or question to the sky i feel like if yeah i do ball talk by the same space even for split seconds something horrible happens in terms of physics yeah yeah i feel like if it takes the place of it it implies that it that that thing gets moved so that they can make space for the new ball so now we have an errant ball that just needs a home and it could take its place at the back of the line but it can't go in front of the other ball because it would fall off a cliff and you'd be one ball short or you'd end up with the same amount of balls that you had before which is four because we haven't discussed how you mean in a pitfall no we have yeah how how does one obtain a fifth ball i guess it's a clone it's a it's a copy of the ball appears as if by math but how does it get attached and where do you put it well here's the thing i think that it's in the wording of takes the place of which i assume because which i assume with i think reasonably so is the the ball whose place it takes so i have to go back on how it could fit in like in that space you know how how how well i mean balls fit between that well i i assume that the ball whose place it took gets moved to make way for the new ball that it's taking its place so now we have a fifth that that original first ball is now one of five that needs is possible to replace balls um i assume so well it's in the nature of the question it is the the question assumes that you can would you like me to read it out again yeah go ahead and i guess i know i waited actually before we go to further what was the question i'm sorry i can read it out again all right imagine four balls on the edge of a cliff on the edge of a cliff ah all right there we go yeah but honestly i don't well yeah just we're just pausing it there just so that we can establish that i don't feel like the right the cliff hasn't entered into the equation yet this could be in the middle of like on the top of a plateau or a ditch the cliff has not yet entered into the equation in any way maybe it's just to give this hypothetical question a sense of danger and drama but proceed imagine four balls on the edge of a cliff so you don't have to restart you could continue from where well you gotta have a restart now i can read it out again i'm like no that's fine no no no i just wanted to bring i just wanted to bring to attention that the cliff has been hyped up it was in the the opening sentence but it doesn't seem to factor into this question statement thing in any way i just think it's a more of a narrative device than anything i can read it out again yeah go for it imagine four balls on the edge of a cliff say a direct copy of the ball nearest the cliff is sent to the back of the line of balls and takes the place of the first ball what happens okay so i think the big thing that we missed is are they are they perpendicular to the cliff or are they like running from the front you know so that's one that's on the cliff and then it doesn't specify because i think here's here's my my my thought process springy if they're parallel the cliff edge none of them will be closest to the edge yeah one so they clearly have to be perpendicular but no at first time we'll call the thing right though the first one is closest to the edge the first one gets copied takes the place of the back do that read the copy part out again imagine four balls on the edge of a cliff did you know what the hell you don't have to restart the whole thing i just think moller likes reading it yeah i can read it out again sure you enjoy it i wouldn't want to stop you imagine four balls on the edge of a cliff say a direct copy of the ball nearest the cliff is sent to the back of the line of balls and takes the place of the first ball what happens so how does it go to the back of the line and simultaneously take the place of the first ball because the first ball is still there it just gets cloned and copied and goes to the back so now you have a row of five balls in the and the clone is in the back and it's a parent exact copy is at either side of the line now so so what's the yeah what hat that's what happens you can't carry yourself again i'm gonna tap out on this one because i i can't yeah i feel like we solved it we just but it's not a solution it's not something to be solved i feel like we're just describing what was said yeah i feel like there's a lot like where does the cliff come into the equation is it just established it is it just to establish which side is first but it doesn't matter which one's first because it would work it would be this name both ways because it's just a line of four balls all of these five balls like above the the water i don't know water or don't add new things please the question doesn't specify water well then i don't know the question is flawed well i think the question is just so simplistic it's just wanting us to restate what was described because the statement sort of is the answer what happens well what you just described is what happens all right yeah i got nothing sorry i think that was a good answer exhausted now in infinity war how does strange see all the different outcomes none of those scripted by the time lizards they don't exist that's right i have no idea what he saw maybe you just see in a bunch of variants is he an unreliable mario is he is he an unreliable sorcerer maybe maybe an unreliable or is he an unreliable wizard let's suppose we'll find out in doctor strange two the multiverse of madness uh what if holkeye is a terrible archer so they have to reset the timeline 10 000 times for every shot oh well yeah i i guess if you yeah i don't know how that works if every time black widow misses a shot every time tony stark doesn't hit a laser every all that stuff i guess just you remember it's as simple as a guy not being on time for work so they must deal with this all the time all these kind of shitty ones whether it's like oh no fucking they got that question wrong on the exam in the high school you know old jimbo it's like we have to go in there and fucking melt him great like that i just uh it's gonna be it's gonna be a fun job let's just say that again i'm concerned about the mental health of the people who work at the tva this is in conjunction with me hating them too i can do both the mass of those time cops slightly altered the earth's orbit was the thing the introduction of any mass would mean that it can't coexist with the timeline as it existed before they altered it so presumably they create a variant timeline however i think that's what we're supposed to understand is when they drop that grenade and they escape through the little portal they kill that timeline just uh oh gosh man that's just nuts yeah then they melt people because like what what exactly you know like the idea of resetting low key at that point it's like well there already is the correct low key back there now because you got rid of this errant timeline or variant one so you know when they say reset him they do mean melt him right so no what else you're gonna do with him yeah guess i pretty fucked up maybe doesn't destroy the timeline but rewinds it doesn't really save the show at all it's still crap so destroy it versus rewind it until it stops being an alternate timeline i feel like there's just no difference not a difference yeah imagine say like i won't kill you rags i'll rewind you to before you were bored to prevent it from happening you'll be fine i don't even know which of those fates is worse probably rather be blown up uh where's the time stone go if Loki's time is deleted having no clue these are not questions one can answer with just one episode of Loki you see uh technically they time traveled without changing dimensions with ant-man's mini-verse then they returned the stones not diverging apparently so this is something we wrote in the uh in the stream as well but do they bought it to people at the quantum level i guess they do like oh man there's an anomaly in the quantum realm again it's like oh no gotta get the quantum suits greetings all except metal that's fair i'm disappointed that loki has actual time cops and not even a cameo by jc vd oh jonkord bendam yeah such a wasted opportunity also high metal oh hello no it's jesus christ vampire destroyer oh i thought you were gonna say vampire detective oh that too like and you don't know if he's a detective who's a vampire or he detects vampires well geez yeah and jesus is just a vampire he did like to drink blood apparently so who knows yeah there are theories there are theories that he could be a vampire i think those are totally totally fair but guys this show absolves cap he didn't let 9-11 happen the lizard overlords forced him to let 9-11 happen or he'd be melted yeah that's true any issue you take with anything it should go to elizabeth people um if show was smart 60s version of tva was what loki imagined tva to be this being the only way loki can comprehend super godlike beings sadly show is stupid i don't know how that would be better this the 60s vision of tva is what loki imagined the tva to be why why would loki picture them being the 60s but i mean they might try something like that toward the end who knows because if they can explain why there's a 60s aesthetic then they might be able to get away with um changing it next season you know maybe when loki was pretending or was db cooper he developed an affinity for earth aesthetics um maybe they'll tie that in maybe it is all in his head you know it's it's not too late to rescue the timeline right guys no sounds pretty fuck to me wow you lack ambition not really defending loki but in the comics the tva oh wait we read that one uh wouldn't be surprised if the trial thing was a setup to steve roger's show him on trial in the tva for staying with peggy altering time i doubt it i don't think so uh the tva is supposed to stop nexus events loki's getting free there would have led to one free will exists if you don't cause nexus events what what i got nothing for that one what the fuck what does it mean to cause a nexus event yeah doesn't happen yeah free will exists as long as you make all of the right decisions exactly how it was predetermined for you to make yeah yeah it would be like no you wanted to make this decision you're like no i didn't go yes you did like okay i did well i don't want to get melt please don't melt me please don't melt me time people um lord longbowed of mewpschlington abbey have you given any more thought to a kong fap kong o five uh ps hello wags these squishes for the good boy oh hello um he can jerk off with his feet right kong yeah i assume he would have think of the things you got to do on that island you're gonna get bored try some stuff out i guess i mean fighting t-rex and stuff would be cool but i assume that would get boring after a few centuries means he could jerk off four people at once yeah i mean you know humans can do that in the right circumstances yeah probably three because you probably use both your feet for one of them i guess if you have people who would easily stimulate it you might be able to get away with many stick a toe up their ass yeah i mean it sounds like you have all the answers already i mean i i got a reputation to keep uh as for a yeah kong o five i have the weird thing is that we've got king of the monsters done in efap movies form so it's like i wouldn't mind doing kong o five and then also kong skull island and then also godzilla 2014 and then also kong v godzilla but we're probably gonna do kong v godzilla on its own at some point soon so you know we'll figure something out um wags these would you say it's tlj's mc i guess they're trying to say do you think it's the tlj of the mcu loki it's worse yeah people often they're gonna have trouble with that one with us i think yeah tlj is really bad guys but but it so loki ruins everything it breaks the entirety of the marvel cosmos yes this is what we call a disaster of everything that is and everything that ever was is broken and we will be lucky maybe we can save stuff that is going to happen but i don't know and i don't know how much i would care at that point yeah like don't worry every decision from now on is true free will have you like yeah okay thanks i guess uh favorite zelda game and why also hyrax hello i haven't played enough of them to pick one really you uh probably a link to the past i liked phantom hourglass a lot though i think we might have had the same four sources damn half was really good uh i didn't like twilight princess um i never played twilight princess gosh we we're bad the out of the four of us we don't have that much to say about zelda you know yeah i yeah i think those are the only ones i've played so i um i completed phantom hourglass i remember really liking it but i was really the days dds so i i don't know if i was easily pleased or if it was really good i i can't remember um then yeah link to the past i remember i think it was awesome um i actually played and really enjoyed the original zelda um on the nas emulator i thought it was actually quite fun talk about retro retro i'm personally it's probably still uh ocarina of time is that game about orcs yes orc arena of time the orc arena but yeah link to the pet link to the past is that's awesome so the sequel is called a link between worlds right i think that's not i don't know that that was a sequel i think that was like a remake it'd be right i'm actually not sure i think that one the one on on uh the ds or the 3ds i think that was a remake or something like that have none of you played major's mask it's possible i have not no uh i you're too successive i don't know why i never played that one i think i played as a child that didn't understand how it works like i don't know what the fuck was going on and i wasn't able to grab a grasp but i guess i don't know if i ever got to play it again not again play through it i don't know if i'm interested enough if they demand you play it what are you going to do i consider it well there you go chat so yeah hopefully that suffices vaguely i have notes on invincible because it angered me would any of you be interested in my thoughts and how would i send them i think it's a four out of ten at best well none of us can do anything with those because none of us have seen it so obviously just well maybe if you've got a friend who liked it see what they think you could share it on the subreddit see what um people think um i i don't know see if i've just not been in on this invincible discussion you know yeah not at all not even metal yeah and i watch everything as everyone knows you watch is all of the animu yeah totally watched uh strikers colony recently didn't you that's a what now oh i guess not no i what would you say strike as colonies one of the newer enemies i don't even know if that's real i don't know if you made that up but no not yeah it's close enough i'm sure there's someone in chat who googled strike as colony oh man must be really good then what's it about set in space is a bear one of the main characters and it's about mining minecraft colony outpost um leaves with a lot of love of god kill this lazy content podcast and put the work into making your good videos damn no well i mean uh if it were a lazy content podcast i probably still wouldn't kill it it's really fun but um unfortunately you actually have to to work a bit when you get to them breaking things down and stuff that's waste of two bombs because i pressed a wrong button twice i'm very smart the um i remember the prep for falcon the winter soldier took me a whole bunch of time i even made your your wonderful little 22 bingo remember remember those wonderful days um also i'm still making videos unless you think they're all bad like in which case uh there's not much i can do to help you later but um the big uber red pill for a lot of people is the um i ran podcasts years before i even started making videos if only people do miss mold ms paint face you should he only comes out when uh he feels safe so never pretty much yeah um i'm afraid the ether podcast probably going to be around for as long as they keep releasing both shitty and good media at least a few more weeks yay i don't know um do any of you else wanted to to feel that one i don't know it felt pretty biting but um i don't uh a little bit no each it there go well was it a meme comment though or an honest i like memes oh i mean well i i i i don't i don't think so i think they would have included an emote of some kind if they were being all nice about it but i think they were being a mean one this isn't lazy content that's a lot of content podcast and put the work into making your good videos it's not lazy content he paid you for this though well i guess that's the way they think it'll get through i don't know it's an interesting idea it's so unusual i don't know um i would i would i guess at that point i should be like what are the um what are the high effort podcast compared to the low effort podcast and uh yeah all podcast low effort in which case we should be all right then because we're just a normal podcast at that point by their own view are we're high effort or everyone's low effort or we're no less low effort than everyone else mm-hmm do i still not have the force oh man yoda give me the force and usually i just i just found a room with six pills in it all the same one is like i'm gonna check one out if it's a good one it's super gonna be worth it it's six are your wizard pills no i can rags and free don't know what that means that's why i talk to you specifically yeah it's a reference to the harry potter film when hagrid comes in and asks are you a wizard harry and harry is like are you a harry wizard and then they laugh and then harry kidnaps uh he's actually yeah harry kidnaps hagrid is a version of expectations oh it's the new version into a sex dungeon yeah it lures them into a sex dungeon under the staircase i wonder how hagrid fits in there if you get my drift i i understood that reference because yeah because under the stairs it's very cramped very tight space driftwood driftwood stop it um but yeah i suppose it would have been higher effort of us to have gotten through all of uh something like how can the winter soldier in under an hour right because like a determinism of of of um effort and consciousness we would have been melted if we hadn't yeah wait can i just say that at this point everything you see from us is as a result of me avoiding meltation that's what i call it oh my god fucking bats man they're just preventing me from learning all about my force stuff that shit crazy yes um adding to the super chat backlog well that's just been removed from the backlog damn got him uh this all reminds me of the adjustment bureau i'm gonna go watch that instead i remember being decent can't be worse than this um i saw that when it came out i really can't fucking remember much of any of it you know that matt daemon's in it i'm in it um well yeah a lot of people like it's better than loki and i'm like fucking hope so jeez it'd be hard to be worse magic rule is an unread super chat wait a minute if i didn't send the super chat i would have been melted i'm so sorry we will not avoid the melting memes for a long time i think um rags you have long hair right how did you get through the leon kennedy phase it's so annoying i want to scout myself i shot a bunch of spaniards oh no i i just i used hair gel i used uh got to be glued that was the brand i used i've got the really strong stuff and i use that in my hair and i put it into the morning before i went to work and looked nice all day looked really nice and that's how i got through that and that's what i would highly recommend to you that stuff works really really well keeps it out of your eyes off your forehead and out of your hair bone i remember when i had long hair that was a long time ago i'm galaxy far far away oh i can drop knock the snake into the swamp and it like dies i think i can't tell vermentide two on sale and game pass got it cuz rags so oh sorry but yeah i'm glad you're really uh i'm glad you got it i i've been playing it quite a bit recently so good stuff holds up pretty well lots of like uh e-fap what shows or movies do you consider 10 out of 10 oh no i wouldn't go far as none i don't know of yeah i don't know any that i would rate 10 out of 10 i think you have rated one 10 out of 10 before ranks recently uh get dimming oh many times don't have to strike this snake not batwoman that's a 12 out of 10 yeah i was gonna say don't dismiss your name with a measly 10 out of 10 yeah um i thought anyway were you were you did you give uh the father a 10 out of 10 ranks i don't know i feel like i gotta be i feel like if i'm starting to go into 10 out of 10 territory i need to be really sure about it um i'm trying to think if there is a is there such a thing as a high 10 and a low 10 i feel like once we get there like we need to go into high nine and then it's like high nine and then it's just straight up 10 hmm but like if it were like 98 out of 100 that's close to you'd agree right to a 10 out of 10 than a nine out of 10 yeah it's closer there numerically yeah i'd still say high nine because of that that 10 out of 10 has this kind of perfect sort of connotation to it you know the father might be but a lot of that might be because of the nature of would you even be able to identify an actual objective mistake in the film because it's being pulled from a certain perspective um i don't know i don't know maybe but none come to mind it might be one but that's like it would be like saying um i'm thinking of ending things like how do you even point out a flaw in a in a movie like that where it's all just allegory and it's all artsy fartsy boring slog bullshit you see the description rags has for the father versus i'm thinking of any things is different so a little different yeah watch the father um but yeah uh we we don't really give out 10 out of 10s it's a it's a really tough one because even in the father there's um so there's there's a moment i think that i actually spoke to jay about after you'd seen it um so if you remember when he first meets and uh she's obviously uh colman and then when he sees her again it's played by the other actress and she's not recognized and she's holding the chicken and a little bit later we see uh colman talking to uh james and she says he didn't even recognize me earlier when i was bringing in the chicken it's a little bit of a clunk that line because she would normally just she'd any normal person would just say he didn't recognize me earlier the reason she says he didn't recognize me earlier when i was bringing in the chicken is to tell us oh that part lines up with when uh okay and uh so okay uh that that is a good problem to have though is a story i don't think it's unreasonable for to specify i'm not yeah i don't i don't like having an issue with that i i just consider it a tiny clunk um i don't know i i think it's such a i i think that's just something somebody would you know reasonably say it's not impossible for them to say and it's not really even unreasonable i just think it felt a little unnatural and the not only does it come across as unnatural there's a easy explanation for why they would have had that in there which i think matches more than simply having to say what she would have said because i was almost thinking that line would be to denote it was once i walked in or that when he first saw me once i came in like that was the first thing like i hadn't been around yet and then he saw me again it was when i first came well he was in the scene the one she's talking to and she handed him the chicken so it's just weird to me that that would be specified but it would make more sense because we see it out of sequence and it helps connect those two scenes together because they don't have the same actress because it's obviously from his POV also this snake is kicking my ass every time i fight it makes me sad it's a strong snake no i don't want to all right this this we're not getting true Jedi all right i've made peace with that wow have you though yeah it doesn't sound like you have how would i say it you accusing me of lying i'm not accusing you of lying i do so just you're not being honest with yourself that's liar i'm your clear as a liar don't believe you go that far bringing i trusted you i see now that was a mistake one of the basic marks of tes is power fantasy the elder scrolls i guess what elder scrolls is it i mean i'm maybe but if the if the next elder scrolls came out and it was a lot more survival focused and i wasn't insanely super powerful just annihilating everything around me which i think is fucking lame and boring uh and i had in every fight i had to be concerned with my positioning and my you know my my you know my combat mechanics and my items and stuff i don't know if i'd have a problem with that at all like i'm fine with being having to constantly you know i'm fine with the idea that every fight is potentially challenging not oh i have reached x level or this skill or i have this ability now so the game is on just easy mode for the rest of it like i don't i don't like that what if that's the idea of power fantasy then i don't like that i want to feel like i have to be smart and i have to keep my skill and i can't just roll through everything in my path this is not fun for me is doom not fun for you doom's fun but i can die in doom like i have to i can't just i kind of phased out power fantasy did we just define a power fantasy as something you can't die in in this well that might be part of it it depends uh now i'm confused in a sense that a power fantasy is you being as powerful as possible and becoming extremely powerful compared to everything around you i don't know that i would define a power fantasy no like hallows that's why i brought up doom doom doom is power fantasy yeah but you can still die yeah of course you can it was a power um i mean loads of escapism like video games are a power fantasy really fun to play as something that's way larger than yourself in terms of abilities and etc that's almost every video game then no well i think a lot of video games have power fantasies but they're different types so you can have a power fantasy like in a stealth game of that the fun part is being better at sneaking around than the average person is that's still a power fantasy even if you're weak power fantasy i think so yeah like the power fantasy of stealth is oh i'm somewhere i'm not supposed to be this is you know intense doing a sneak yeah okay what did you think power fantasies were then i i thought power was generally when people talked about power fantasies they were referring to being an extremely powerful character yeah i think that's the most obvious time yeah so specifically what kind of stuff you're thinking about and a power fantasy uh i think other scrolls would fit the bill pretty well i thought you just become incredibly strong and you start it you just extremely powerful character who has a just a huge array of different things that you could do and this big arsenal that you control and the way that it interacts with enemies and how strong you are compared to enemies and you can't die in in like elder scrolls yeah because i thought that was one of your requirements no so why did you cite that you can die as being something that would take away the power fantasy i think it's it's how easy it happens like like tech sure if like in skyrim it you can you can die your hit points can be reduced to zero but it's difficult for that to happen a lot of the times because you just steamroll through everything i guess the qualifying point would be you just can't die it's more of a it's just probably not going to happen yeah but i mean doom is really hard but that's it's still a power fantasy sure um sure so then i guess the operative element wouldn't be that it's that you can't die like there's got to be something else to it i really just clarified this i think really well just a moment ago like i um i like like it's it's not just that you can't die as i just specified it's how easy it is to keep living and how difficult it is to die like the amount of like if i play vermin tide on e on normal that's like a power fantasy but if i play the same game on the hardest difficulty that's dead that's not a power fantasy in a in a way no i think i get what you mean but like i still feel that you can have a power fantasy and something that's quite difficult well yeah because like because you get into skill flows and skill ceilings like yeah someone who's amazing at doom in the game maybe but like pictures someone who just played doom the whole life they play on the hardest difficulty and they considered a power power fantasy because like none of the fucking enemies have a chance against them that would still uh qualify i'd imagine well so i don't know what i was supposed to do with that tractor but i destroyed it and i feel kind of bad maybe you needed it probably but i'm hoping i can just do it in free play training yoda's like you fucked up like well i mean i don't know how to use a fucking tractor okay what you used to this oh here it is maybe this is where it's supposed to go rags lover of minecraft and mashed potatoes yeah that's me have you ever eaten a potato while playing minecraft no i i don't eat and play video games i mean apart from just snacking some peanuts or something like that but that's that's really it i don't eat like that i don't i don't have meals or anything larger than just a light snack when i'm when i'm playing a drink and play all the time i got my would you consider a potato in your hand to be a meal or a snack potato in the hand hands on the kind of honestly it depends on the kind of potato or the size of the potato so if it was um like if you had a small uh like a small russet or a kennebeck potato right those would be a lot more bite size maybe a melody potato as well but if you had a big old laura potato or a big yukon gold right though and you had just chow down on those and those were big or russet burbank maybe those would be really there's a lot bigger um and i wouldn't have it raw i don't like potatoes raw so if you wanted to have it where it was in your hand but not raw you could have a big you could bake a potato and it could cool down enough so where you could sufficiently hold it and then you could bite into it and eat it um but that would be messy um probably the best way to eat a potato in your hand is probably like tater tots or fries um something like that um or maybe like a hash brown and a napkin perhaps but that would that but that that takes a hand to use you have to hold you'd have to hold it so you don't have a hand to play the game maybe we can devise some kind of like beer hat type thing but for potatoes big potato hat oh speaking of beer um i had uh beer cheese flavored chips the other day um they tasted kind of like um kind of like Pringles Pringles did you like them uh they were pretty neutral pretty they're fine you know five out of ten they're all right all right and i had some i i have the rest of the bag around here somewhere it was like lime and black pepper uh potato chips those are pretty good lime chip generally chips with lime flavor i like those tend to be pretty good um ever got interested in modding minecraft yourself the game is incredible but there's lots of stuff that could be better like the height limit um sure yeah i i i've i've done a little modding for the most part the game is complex and full of enough enough stuff in vanilla um that i enjoy it thoroughly just as it is um i will i'll i'll have cheats on and i'll really just use them for building materials so i'll play survival mode as normal but i'll just give myself building materials so i can build all kinds of different stuff and i don't have to spend a lot of time just going and getting all of the all the stuff um but yeah i've done some mods before the the the height limit has never bugged me i don't build really high stuff so that's never been an issue that i've ever run into myself but yeah there's tons of great mods for minecraft tons of them i've played minecraft on my vr headset there's a pretty good vr mod out there wow pretty impressive yeah yeah just show off don't you man showing off the little community i got my high tech vr uh i want to talk about my privileged goggles as much as i want no oh wow weird hearing someone calling someone the size of a boulder talking about privilege goggles hey man he doesn't have thin privilege does he oh i guess he doesn't have how did that happen it's a mystery let me guess he's got a thyroid condition yeah uh so is the one time where i was just following orders a legitimate defense well the thing is they wouldn't be aware of it they would have yeah they wouldn't be aware that they were orders they would they would i guess when you're like why did you do all these things and then they were like well they would think that they did it all for their own reasons but they wouldn't necessarily have done that that way yeah if you told them the space lasers late lizard lasers lizard i'm getting tired based lizards told them to then i don't know i don't know how that would work out i don't know how they'd feel either uh look i'm sorry but you get back in there and get griped all the space lizards are gonna make me melt you and reset everything until it happens oh no yeah that's uh you got a lot of ugly situations when uh people aware of the situation yeah so i've died so many times in this map if i get true jedi this game will truly be broken i know you probably don't remember but i showed dirty dozen for the first time to my friends on discord they loved it wonderful it's a classic for wow yoda just fucking try to kill me that was my now that was my stage name back when i worked at the club wow yoda oh you made okay yeah fuck me unless unless you meant that my stage name was yoda death scream well i went with wow yoda but i think that could be the sound of it you know that's how it's expressed uh ah it's the game where luke skywalker and Darth Vader share a death sound with like 40 other characters including torn way love it i don't know that is yeah i was gonna say i don't know what torn way is star wars nerds who's that um he's wookie pedia what am i in nerd yes wow vader attacks luke and yoda runs away immediately how is i'm out of here oh my god it's like vader maybe it's like a new hope and he has to go in his arc to find his courage like courage the cowardly lion from the hit film the wizard of us got to do it luke and he's like you just not doing it because you're lazy he's like no why would you say that very rude that is very rude um watch white light's minecraft video minecraft is not a masterpiece not a game bad but not a masterpiece um i guess i'd be curious what is the the thesis statement that minecraft isn't as good as you think it is or something like that i'd be curious how that unfolds as a video all right yoda you gotta help me up here buddy um rags snow melt there i have achieved hilarity man it's as simple as that great yeah pretty great i was less frustrated watching efab 84 than loki well that's how you know that they've gone too far if they've officially fucking tested the audience's patience it's locked it up um support beyond the pale on patreon it's free wait a minute how can it bloody be free so people are f-ing yeah it looks like the stream died for a second that you fuck up i don't i shan't want us to be melted that would be inappropriate i think it's back maybe there we are yep there it is we're back just as the space lizards have designed i'm glad they took time out of their busy busy timeline creating this to you know to make it so where the stream died for a few seconds then they came back that's that was nice i like that well i want to know how they construct these scripts i want to know why they made it stop for a bit what was the point of that why do they need that to happen answer me space lizards don't question me no the space lizards work in mysterious ways i'm sure they have the reasons well you know what that's not good enough i demand more i am a lowly human and i wish to know more of the universe and the space lizards that occupy it or i guess they occupy the outside of it which totally makes sense by the way um but yeah i have no idea what beyond the pale is but excellent uh look up the donagle mika scandal i don't know if any of you guys are donagle meekle scandal uh don e g a l and then mika m i c a scandal uh me i c a m i c a so crumbling house homeowners want new support scheme uh bbc news uh for 17 years kareen robinson has put all put her all into making the county donagle house she and her husband bought in 2003 a home uh blah blah we fell in love we had kids but now it must be torn down like thousands of other houses in the county it's literally falling apart uh kareen is one of a huge number of homeowners in donagle and in county mayo whose homes have been crumbling over the years because of blocks containing high levels of the mineral mica she and a number of others are calling on the government to revamp a two-year-old support scheme which she said has left property owners both out of house and out of pocket so um well okay i hope that turns out well for those involved yeah i don't know what to say about that one yeah i hope they get compensation or i don't know if you know who should pay for that if it was a building problem or if that wasn't allowed uh to use at the time or if anyone's even at fault and it's just something no one knew about it's unfortunate maybe yeah so hmm uh sounds like i should watch low key to take notes on how to not do multiverse slash time travel it's it's definitely a bad example um as for this funny multiverse and time travel it's like fucking wait because that's going to be the minutiae of the season those things being really bad right now all we've got is just like the sort of overview and it's horrifying so yes hello rag chivalry two or mordhow mordhow not even a moment's hesitation yeah also i haven't played chivalry two so i played lots of mordhow though mordhow is great i was gonna say it wasn't surprising to be because i was like i don't even know though you have you ever talked about chivalry two i was like i don't think so didn't it just come out as well i don't know yeah does anybody know anything about it is any good i have no idea it is a game and confirm this of the video variety i can confirm that it is allegedly a game oh we got that far that's not bad no a german man had just gotten rejected from art school and thought oh shucks i'll try harder next year but then lizard people showed up he didn't want to do it but he would have been melted they uh they just gave him a little push in a different direction if tywin lannister wasn't the apex homosexual he'd have been melted i think that was always gonna happen though you know he he was ready for that he knew about that they were like oh we need this to happen he's like yeah it's already happening so no need to get all excited oh no i think i'm at the end of this level and i came really really close to uh getting true jedi i didn't even think it would be possible oh wait i'm putting a motorcycle inside a washing machine i'll do it i did it already stop me geez i'm making it i don't know if that doesn't seem safe i want to do that other things are happening now i don't anyone remembers but in february of 2020 i sent a super chat because i was in a pretty low place due to my mom having a heart attack while she is still in the midst of treatment she's doing a lot better now our landlord is selling the place we live and i started a gfm to try and offset some of the expenses if anyone can help uh go fund me oh i got you got you um if anyone can help even just share the link please search help my mom pat move on go fund me sorry for such a twatty super chat i love you guys if i was one of the rare things in this world that brings me a bit of happiness again sorry for asking here well um i was about to think like uh what could be precedent setting with that i don't know um obviously if you're trying to look after your mom it makes sense that you probably want to throw that in and of course if anybody is uh looking to find out what that was about you'd obviously use that i just hope that you guys end up all right um yeah i'm sorry to sorry to hear it but i mean from what you said it sounds like she's uh as you said doing a lot better yeah that's definitely good to hear um if adolf didn't shoot himself he would have been melted i mean yeah you know this it seems that the second we found out about how the melting stuff works a lot of people want to clarify a lot of things about hitler and i just i you wonder it's like why is everybody jumping to that i don't know i guess it kind of says something about the time people in terms of what they made sure happened interesting setup set of peeps if the hulk if hulk's pants didn't expand they would get melted i mean i i just think it's pretty neat that he's uh he's designed something like that you know i reckon if they do another hulk origin movie they probably will have someone design incredibly special gear that well maybe that'll be what she's about because there's no way that she's gonna be oh dude she can be a fashion designer no she's a lawyer that's what she does maybe she does fashion design in a spare time there's no limit fighting for our clients we're in sexy mini skirts and being self-reliant hey i'm pretty good i know that was awesome single female lawyer having lots of sex well weird for me with that is i'd watched like all of alley mcbeal before i saw a few trauma and i was just like oh my god i hadn't so i that was my first exposure that alley mcbeal was through single female lawyer the fact that it's like it took an hour to write i thought it would take an hour to read yeah i'm sure that was a really good TV show do you remember what that episode was about how like she lila goes off script she's like i'm giving up being a lawyer and i'm giving up big single uh like judge will you marry me and then i immediately noticed this oh shit we can't do this it needs to be nice safe and unchanging we're not in that era anymore well no we aren't in that era um everything you know you'll get props for outright in the text acknowledging that you're uh that you the things change even though shit writing also fringy i just got true jedi by 180 studs almost lost wow here i was close added around dagibus oh is this are you playing elden ring and this is the promise swamp level oh nice dude wait why can't i open the fucking oh i gotta do a yoda look it won't work if i look what you gotta do with the owner why would it work with luke because this is lego fringy this isn't the fucking movies it might as well be the movies no lego very different look at yoda go see he's not a puppet he's lego to go to completely different did whoa you just dropped that on our to detail you know new new new new new wow we just skipped to ending my training nice hang out with yoda mall yeah oh hey look it's ghost kanobi wonderful somehow epstein killed himself po dameron yeah i'm sure that's one of his quotes sounds familiar uh if the ossees didn't lose a water flightless birds they would have melted yeah we got that one already sorry if i didn't poo my pants i would have been melted oh if the southern states didn't succeed they would have been melted i think at this point people are going to just start using it as an excuse to want to do horrible things made us a wood like it was the lizards like the idea the confederacy you know like they're sitting there they're like but we don't want to go to war it's like yes you do we're waving the sticks at them and again if john wilkes booth had missed he would have been murdered they're melted sorry oh i mean he was still a bit murdered you're right yeah that's true it's just melted no let's not let's not mix up our time let's not mix where it's melted and murdered a very specific in this context uh thoughts on fireman sam what i don't know who that is it's a classic children's show about a fireman yeah i feel like i've heard of that yeah i know about that vaguely quite the chat not as good as postman pat though oh he's better you're saying that because fuck original languages were well that's why you're saying that fuck postman pat fireman sam put out fucking fires yeah because it's originally from wales you put out fires because he's from wales that doesn't even make sense yeah he lives in the welsh that's i see we have fires just like everyone else i know you have but i'm just saying i think that there's a little bit of bias here guys can we just can we just check out this prejudice right now for he's like oh it doesn't matter he puts out fires he's welsh all about being prejudiced he's fucked up dude i think he's just as valuable as anyone else i don't care if a fire is welsh a fire is a fire it's just interesting and a welsh is a welsh yeah he lives in welsh is that what i was gonna say yeah welsh one i think i said he speaks welsh or the original language it was in wales but you know wailish yeah yeah you're kind of welsh is to draw that back you know especially when live you don't want people to go like postman pat is stronger though maybe it's delivering male but who the fuck is right without male how is anybody gonna know what's going on in the world with unyielded fires i think things will be worse yeah but remember without the papers without letters there's no reason to live you just let the fires consume your home at that point you want fire yeah you want fires that's right you just be you'd be there like there's no male just kill me in the flames no male only death yeah um so christopher lee didn't pass away to the lizard people would have melted him true uh bay when he is ended and became a time lizard i should say so yes bay when should draw zack woods nothing me me added just draws he looks like it would be funny uh i think freeing would be very upset by that i mean if you just draw him as he it's it's fine just don't he's a just funny funny actor that's all but like under the context of making fun of his looks you wouldn't you wouldn't like that right i wouldn't no i wouldn't like that at all yeah you're fending for me by choosing to do that so you know just make sure you understand that uh the tv a might not be so bad after all seeing as they melted the snider cut out of canon yeah something to consider yeah but then again they made it so the water brothers gave him those three movies so that's true and they can't just only reap the benefits of the results of this timeline uh e3 is showing gaming is dead minecraft does not deserve to be in super smash brothers i disagree i think it's a totally apt why not because you can totally make a lot of unique moves with it i well it's funny i'm more concerned with the unique mechanics than i am simply a reference to a thing i like well i think i mean at this point the idea of like what cano can't be in smash it's like well if you can have like cloud from final fantasy seven a game that was released on the playstation one like to be in in smash i don't see how minecraft a game which is on nintendo switch couldn't be in in that in uh smash but what that has to do with e3 is weird because i'm pretty sure steve whatever is called has been in smash for months still so uh because the the the smash that they're all getting into is um is it ultimate yeah yeah it's just ultimate now yeah so they've been adding a bunch of dlc they added some people from castlevania they added street fighter characters right yeah yeah i'm doing i don't like i don't know who because i i find that uh the adding of a bazillion fire emblem people more frustrating than adding steve from my yeah exactly like i definitely would prefer to have and that's what they've kind of been doing with a lot of the dlc well some of the dlc i'm pretty sure they did add people from fire emblem in the dlc and people who pissed off about that um yeah because they've added they added the character from persona five the guy from that fantasy quest or whatever it is um the the one that's really popular in japan then banjo kazooie which is like yeah that's a really good one um and then terry from some uh i think it was like fatal fury or final f*** god man and then blithe it's like no it's a fighting game um and then blithe which pissed everybody off i think um and then min min from alms which seems fair and then steve which is cool sephiroth or sephiroth which everybody knows is it sephiroth or sephiroth it's sephiroth isn't it yeah yeah i've never heard sephiroth that's so funny to me yeah well i've i've seen people call cloud come on one of the big ones that always bugged me was people would say zlot instead of zealot oh that's the thing i would have thought back in the day when i first started learning english yeah this looks like like it's like that's how you say it yeah we got some dumb motherfuckers though zlot it sounds like yeah just like a bad pronunciation that could end up being some kind of villain there are two more dlc fighters to be added crash bandicoot maybe please that'd be cool why not big daddy i mean we could put well remember remember remember when big daddy was one of the fighters in that uh playstation all stars battle royale i do like a game that originally came out on xbox 360 of pc yeah and i was like i guess the only person and i may still even be the only person that was just like a lot of people like what the fuck is big daddy doing in there i was like i don't know i know it could be cool think of all the what i mean if you're gonna pick someone my shock i feel like that game was um the problem was it's like everybody was like so crash inspirer right it's like nope no oh well yeah there's all kinds of fucking they had loads of like licensing and rights issues there's i watched a video on it it was like almost sad for the people who made it in terms of um yeah it was something to do with how a lot of those games were getting newer versions and yeah updates and stuff and so they didn't want to tie themselves to like some kind of multi-game thing they were like no no no we're doing we're reinventing right now well yeah because they had Dante but they had him from the reboot devil may cry not the original and for metal gear they had ridin from metal gear rising revengeance rather than snake and the disease weird and i remember there was like fat princess it's like what is going on like can we not have more like representative characters well i think that's like different stuff that's cool i think that having a big daddy is one of the characters gives you potential for a combat distance you know yeah yeah of course it's um from what i understand that game is actually like mechanically a lot deeper than smash brothers but um that might have been the issue it's meant to be like a big party game but it's actually kind of a complex technical fighter they never made like a second one or anything to them no they didn't the shooter got shut down shortly after it released riparuni terrible name playstation all stars battle royale could you have not done better than that super generic but what would you call it for me um fuck it's tough because i don't think you want to call it because imagine if it was called nintendo all stars battle royale it's like that super smash brothers is a cool name yeah it ties into like mario brothers and it's just like yeah it's it's neat you can tell that smart like a nintendo thing he'd bring you would call it gimpy gimpy deathmatch no i wouldn't because that's not that's no i wouldn't that's not a good name to sell something you need something i would buy the fucker how about you could it be i'd buy a gimpy gimpy deathmatch gimpy gimpy brother or something gimpy gimpy brothers brothers gimpy gimpy brothers melee gimpy gimpy fight frat so much potential just to pull away from the last of us two and smash oh yeah good god holy crap should have a hulk smash move it'd be cool if they got like a marvel character in there if you could play a spider man that could be neat maybe fireman sam postman pad rather yeah i mean if you want to throw a minion smash rivers that he gets his cat to like just beat the shit out of you sam's would be that he puts his hose on reverse and it fires flames at people is that what reverse is you accidentally had it on reverse let's put out this fire why is this a function jesus it's out of control oh no it was just in case we need to light a fire you know yeah in case there's a crazy water storm and we need to fire put it out like an ice dragon attack so this you know yeah you'll never be too careful to be prepared we can go live for this um clearly nintendo sold out with such move and no one calls them out that was the end of that oh they didn't sell out i don't know why would i don't know why that would be why do you have this opinion why like also i imagine that nintendo had to pay microsoft to get the character in their game so it's the opposite of selling out because they probably had to pay for it oh they bought out wow i'm like they bought out yeah if he is mechanically interesting and he's representative of minecraft being crossed over and he can combo up with people do some cool things or bring in minecraft into the game cross promotional i don't see any fucking issue at all yeah you get another character to play the idea that it's like oh great minecraft you saw even if there was like a fucking fortnight character if there's just the one i think it's fine you could do the mine you could do the fortnight dab the what is it called um flossing that's the one right flash i don't know what it's called it's when you do the the thing that's the fortnight dance i'm hip i know what i'm talking about i mean it might be that i'll add like a fortnight character into it maybe the generic fortnight photo maybe that'll be the next one or i don't like that as much as if it was crash well you would if you loved fortnight and you are just minutes away from loving it i wanted a special attack would be a spin that'd be cool beat him up with archer d2 what beat him up with archer d2 d2 could be this the character yeah let's put out your d2 and um what was it called bash danky danky bros or whatever you'd be gimpy or something gimpy danky danky gimbroth what a waste of two euros oh i agree uh loki makes iron fist an okay show yeah it does because iron fist doesn't break reality yeah you're right what was the worst about iron fist is it just there's like kind of shitty well i remember iron fist felt weird in terms of its place that it fits into the world because danny got his powers by killing a dragon so it's like oh dragons exist in the mcu i remember it was um it's hard to remember that there wasn't i think the don't remember iron fist being like awful i feel like it was just a four you know like it was it was fine maybe a little bit flimpy and just not that much about it that was great um that's that's all i really remember about it maybe that maybe there was no i remember season two being really stupid like you could transfer the power through this weird blood transfusion of course i mean it thought this has this ever been done before and also was so like i remember that they danny was like oh see i don't deserve this it's like well yeah you do because the person gets the fist by killing the dragon you killed the dragon so you deserve it but he was like no maybe i don't maybe i need to give it to colleen like what was what was the name of the no that his sidekick um time and time hold on i need to i can't remember um yeah colleen wig and then they transfer the power over to her but somehow he also has it still it's like oh so you can just duplicate the iron fist power um so yeah i i just remember that it was um it was less flimpy than jessica jones season two jesus i remember being really upset when i was watching that it was so frustrating because like the best part of that show was um was was purple man david tenet and he was gone someone is telling is someone saying that we should play gimpy gimpy literature club bring you'd know about that what's what's the deal is it like an i don't know about that like a roguelike the point and click is a survival survival horror or survival like adventure bring me i don't i don't know anything about it did you keep asking me but i already told you i don't know absolutely useless all of chat said you would have known but i guess you don't sorry chat disappoints you for another day where am i supposed to go i'm completely little i don't have to help me out here buddy need a maybe a mask is up here um yeah i do wonder about those shows if they were really oh that's what i need is if they were really well written do you think we will still be going like what like the marvel stuff all right the netflix ones if the people love them like adored them well i i guess the problem is like i'm not i'm not actually sure what i would cancel i'm pretty sure like daredevil was still doing well but it got i think the weird part was they were all cancelled around the same time like yeah like i can believe that they they decided like oh we want to kind of reset what we're doing right now and that those shows are kind of getting in the way of our overall understanding of the plan or something but i wonder if all of them were as beloved as daredevil that they would have been like we can't just nuke these like people love them way well that's the awkward part is like i'm pretty sure that like jessica jones and luke cage were critically better received but it doesn't really matter because more people like daredevil and also daredevil is better than all of them so it's uh you can tell from like conversations that daredevil lasts where the others don't yeah and that which i think is the interesting part because there's so many rumors that charlie coax's daredevil is coming back there's so many of them but like you don't hear it about any of the other ones i think jessica jones has been rumored for like the she-hole show but otherwise you don't really hear anybody else coming back makes you wonder if what their plan is i feel like you can slot those shows in and it's not going to be too considering how the mcu is now in terms of its canon anyway i don't think you lose anything yeah like what the all of those shows in what is stopping them from just doing whatever the fuck at this point right i think legitimately they're sitting they're like no it doesn't fit into the canon to which my life it would be the canon sucks and they do fit in more so i don't i don't know they fit in way more than fucking like toby mcguire spider-man can fit in but they'll probably throw yeah that's i don't know it's just yeah i think punish is better than daredevil you are wrong my friend you are quite wrong on that one fring is gonna beat you up chatter if you mean you like character more that's fine but if you're saying the punisher show is better i remember the punished show being super flimpy i was set to watch it and i never did and what i've heard that was probably you know yeah i remember it being super more gartham high i like a lot of people think we're in control of gartham high we're really armed no um we recorded all in one go like 10 years ago it's really fun um day long bones doing all kinds of projects and just whenever one of them comes out just fucking enjoy them as they come yeah they they good yeast wait am i having a deja vu haven't we had this conversation before confusing uh samuel jackson for fish food i i don't know did we i don't remember i'm getting scared because i don't remember my own memory too much content too many things uh the tv a want the timeline to happen with tony fucked up and low key escape so the tv a can court him and want to erase the time with tony fucked up dude let's let's just let more episodes come out and then maybe we'll have the answer to that question um ed sheeran and whatever the fuck ron from harry potter's act his name is group at grint look look alike i guess so yeah um group at grint i think his name is yeah look very similar i wouldn't be surprised if people mixed up those two yeah could happen was watching something else passed out woke up here unexpected but not all together disappointed love the work you all do hope your weekends are going well turning 24 tomorrow so have some beers on me lads cheers oh hooray it's nice okay buddy here's on you um in lowkey i thought that owen wilson was woody harrelson i also thought mark wolbig was not matt daemon and planet of the apes um yeah that was mark wolbig in that movie um your own wilson was supposed to so uh you know matthew mccanae that was going to be owen wilson i think i mentioned that right for tropic thunder mm-hmm yeah he did i find that interesting because you know i really like math mccanae and tropic thunder i think he's awesome so i wonder if i'll be like you know what it's fine that it turned out the way that it did um but also mixing up owen wilson with woody harrelson i don't know some of these ones just feel weird to me because like they just don't connect them at all but i guess it's you you know yeah it could do what about what about oprah winfrey and um queen latifa whoopee got hurt i mean i'm pretty good with actors and stuff so i like these ones don't i just don't like not for me but maybe for other people metal you mixed up um what's the name dangavita with uh the guy who placed off fader right you get some weird ones here yeah why did you come up with this of course not oh no no no that was you saying the nose is kind of yeah and i know it's a little bit embarrassing i didn't i know you didn't want me to say that i'm sorry like he didn't do that chat he mixed up two other people who look just just so similar you just slice the slander i'm very offended that's good uh so as logie closed off the idea of a possible mcu off the same way you guys cover the dce you no no no we can we can still do that it's just that we know where it goes which is really sad yeah um would you get would you get melted for being aware of the tv a you just i have to imagine like being aware of them is against the plan then again well it's up to the lizards right yes and if you were supposed to know about them then that's okay i guess but if you're not supposed to know about them then that's no good yeah don't ask me ask the lizards they know all uh does owen wilson at least say wow at any point wow uh he has not yet but we've got a whole season to go so have faith everyone they could still redeem it in that way hey rags quick question what do you think was called wet first water or things covered in water i don't know um i would say things covered in water because if we're gonna go we who want to go back old school to like caveman days they would come to a stream and they would notice that the stream would make things wet right because stream would just be the stream it'd be water and stream and then maybe the word wet would come by to describe the effect that those things have on other things but i don't know this is me guessing i'm tired as fuck so there you have it why cavemen do the things they do who know i'd like to meet a caveman someday ask him what he thinks the stalls uh what's up smog dog frog and metal hello if you haven't seen it please watch Loki reacts to his own d-plus show by warp zone it's a marvel executive explaining to Loki in his office why his show is being made it's brilliant all right check that out if that sounds interesting i might just do that myself uh couldn't Loki have taken a bunch of stones from that drawer and then stolen the teleporter from that lady yes um i was down a lot of things part of what i thought his plan might have been but the thing is you can't really judge that yet because we don't know what he's actually planning he could be planning something big for the whole season for all we know but yeah it's not over just because the infinity stones don't work uh in the tva like you can just you know go to a timeline and then you can use them to his heart's content which is quite a bit you know they're powerful little boys you know i've completed started over scratch five times if this relates to uh writing a review or a story um yeah that's a that's a tough one to deal with you can be your own worst enemy for restarting scripts but if you truly believe there is nothing of value i suppose that is the the thing you'd want to do yeah don't don't don't rush into just destroying the entire thing you know assuming that's what that's about i'm not sure uh doctor strange just visited the tfa to ask what to do i mean he's gonna have to bump into him right surely they'll have to turn up in multi-verse madness unless they really are destroyed by the end of this season i don't see how you can introduce something like that and then they don't just fucking turn up over the place they go you know all the shit that's happening in the cosmic portion of uh the mcu right now like kind of pales in comparison to the tba doesn't it you guys seen the screen rent article that says rey is stronger than vader because she trained with a sword-like weapon that explains that to be fair from what we've seen she probably is more powerful in vader she's the most powerful there is she fucking beat out palpatine when he had all of the sith on his side apparently even anakin was like yeah do the shit that i didn't do the shit that i couldn't because i suck also you could beat me easily gotta go to work hope you lads have a great day wow you too sir uh currently catching up but on the subject of gengis kahn and his opinion on climate change in civ six he actually killed so many people that the resulting reforestation and reduction in bio emissions cooled the planet i don't know that's silver lining yeah you know some things can come out of things where you don't expect those things to come out of those things mola how does loki get nabbed by the time cops but cap doesn't but when he goes back to peggy an end game because that was what the space lizards wanted they wanted cap to have his happy ending they're a sentimental lot those lizards except when it comes to 9-11 they're uh they're just like you know what bro there's a holocaust a good deduction those lists so really i yeah take the bad with the good um do you guys know about the 11 dimensions more than just our 3d there's a short video on youtube that explains it all but we never live outside 3d oh this is like one of the best examples when lego vader shows him a polaroid of his family that's great this is what i mean when people say like oh they prefer to win lego did not voices i think this is why it's like the creativity they had to cope with to do certain things yeah plus i already know what vader and luke sound like i saw the movie i know what they're saying yeah i think in the newest stuff they actually take like dialogue from the movies right and it's like oh seems like it's weird it's just not as charming i think it's the problem you just sort of like yeah yeah um i think i'm gonna take my leaf now i'm getting uh yeah um oh i'm getting there too i'm tired i'm a sleepy dog well we are at seven hours which i think is use the one that's not bad reasonable yeah i think so um you're here calling seven hours not bad yeah i can of course save the remaining's i mean i didn't want to break everything off here it's okay well now you're breaking up the breakup so yeah now you just keep fucking up what you're doing gotta commit i'll do it again i have to do it and melt melting and stuff you know i do want to read one more actually mootl you have the big gay in your dangus is flimpy when you do in a hot tub stream people read also high rags hello yes and no that's not an answer mootl that's offensive is what you just said listen i'm not gonna put a fucking tub in my living room just fucking stupid coward everyone knows it metal um yeah we'll probably stop there because i'm also um go run on them fumes where you know you ran out of the main the main tank that's all you all left um so yeah well uh more to come i guess that the quick some funnily enough i should be like by the way i i did release a new video the father the unbridled praise if anyone didn't know what existed and thus angry at me if not releasing stuff more so it's refresh page right this is the one there go nuts um there's also more efat movies coming i am currently sorting out 101 dalmatians it's three of them all in a row we watched three movies it was horrible but um i'll edit it all up have some nice fun flumes um and then yeah some other editors getting some other things underway as well as i think oh yeah and of course fringy has a new video out about yes little box transactions are here to stay then little boxes and passes that i hate and still working on the end game video and also the comic which is going up on sweater you can take a look at it new pages every week so find those things in those places um metal still streaming every single hour of every single day over on yeah i'll start back up tomorrow uh i have survived my first vaccine shot uh was was a rough night uh i didn't expect it but there was uh i was quite yeah how do we know you haven't been replaced with a clone uh that's melting the melt melt melt melt cheesy melt melt the cheese in a good way though no uh go right there and back to the general video uh the notes are basically done so the script writing is gonna start up soon so it's that's exciting and um what about you rags everything everything running well things yeah things are running quite well i get really close to finishing a finishing one here quite close so hopefully soon excellent yeah and so other than that that pretty much covers it uh you'll find that we will return for another catch upstream keep doing them until we fully caught up could take some time but you know what we'll be time well spent be time well spent and your fun to be had and uh more e-fap episodes on the way like i said and movies too also i'm currently gonna do a little play through a bio shock not sure what days that's gonna pop up but they will pop up yes for the fun of it all very good yeah and so until next time that's a good bye from us all bye bye everybody good bye toodaloo