 I'm talking with Cindy Bennett in the Duet booth. Cindy, what is this all about? So Duet is an acronym that stands for disability, opportunity, internet working and technology. And we're in office within the IT unit at the University of Washington. And we do a couple of things. So just in summary, we manage several grants, a lot of them from the National Science Foundation, which supports students with disabilities pursuing STEM, so science, technology, engineering and math careers. And the other thing we do is we publish a lot of literature to help teachers know how to infuse universal design considerations into their curriculum. So helping to make mainstream curriculum more accessible for students with disabilities. Oh, that's fantastic. One of the ways I found CSUN was actually through some guy who's a professor at Santa Monica City College where they've really done some great work at infusing, helping the scientists and engineers in school to understand how to infuse the technologies at the upfront end. And that's the real key, right? Right, exactly. So if we can encourage teachers to have some universal design considerations in their curriculum, then ideally we can have less of a need for specialized programs for people with disabilities. Ideally they could just register for the course and take it as is. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I think about that also in the development of products, too, is that you don't want to have a separate program, a separate group that does security, or a separate group that does accessibility. No, it needs to be the underlying security and accessibility. It needs to be the underlying principle in everything you build. It's like saying, okay, we'll add ethics to the company later. Yeah, and I really consider accessibility an ethical consideration, right? And we teach students just thinking about computer science, right? We teach students about ethics and about how to code well so that people can understand your code at the very beginning. And I think that's exactly where accessibility should be fitting in. Yeah, I agree with that. So this is specific to the University of Washington, is that correct? Oh, our programs are far-reaching, so we work for the University of Washington, but we have programs that anyone all over the U.S. can take advantage of. Okay, and this is, let's see, on Twitter it's doituw, and we've got a QR code here, maybe Steve, you can zoom in on that so people will get a screenshot of that for the show notes, people check that out. And I just encourage any student with disability who is even thinking about pursuing science or engineering to get in touch with us, we provide mentors with disabilities. For Washington students, we have a summer scholars program where high school students with disabilities can live on campus for a few weeks and learn about college life and advocacy. Our NSF grants can support conference travel and internships for college students with disabilities, so I'm here because of one of the grants being a disabled engineer myself, so I really can't say enough good things about what we do and there's support, financial and mentorship available, people just need to get in touch with us. That summer thing sounds like a party. Yeah, you know, I wasn't a high school student in Washington, I wish I was because I mean to be able to have that exposure to not only other students with disabilities, professionals with disabilities, but also just that exposure to get used to campus life and learn a little bit more about what it's like to be in college and how to advocate. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so this sounds good. So this is, what about the, how would somebody find the national if they're not going to Washington or going to be in Washington? So everything can be found through our website, we have several programs and so if you're not from Washington, you might think about, we have grants called Access Computing for people pursuing computing careers and Access Engineering for people pursuing all other types of engineering careers and there'll be links on our website to information about how you can sign up for a listserv and then once you kind of get involved in the listserv, you can hear about other program opportunities and how to get financial assistance. Well, thank you very much and we appreciate you taking the time. Yeah, thank you.