 For NVIDIA users. Sorry. I needed to make our thought. Oh Okay, there we go. All right So Who wants to go with their first tip and trick first? Anybody have a good one that they want to start us off with I'm assuming that we will not Do this the whole time we'll kind of branch off. So Steve, why don't you take us off first? I'm gonna kick. I'm gonna kick us off with the best tip and trick ever and It is the fact that I just mentioned it earlier, but did you know that once That you first you can skip the profile section if you are installing Arch using the Arch install script It will default to the minimal profile which is backstrap basically and Then you can do anything your heart desires Intrude because at the end it will ask prompt you If you want a to root or not into your install system and when you when you answer yes, you can do whatever you want This is your basic your this is basically your install system without a desktop without anything cuz you skipped all that You can install desktop environment or window manager with the packages with only the packages you you choose and then you can set up your Samba you can set up your btrfs if you have chosen to use btrfs you can do whatever you want using the truth and once you're done exit reboot you're done so my favorite Tip and trick that I discovered recently and I'm using to my advantage Smart ass to me saying or you could just use open Suza Okay, we have another one they want to go with her It was a shit topic All right, here's one alias everything literally if you're gonna use a terminal alias everything you'll never need to remember anything hard Especially you're install stuff like if you install an update stuff alias that stuff You'll never need to remember the flags, especially if you're on Arch because nobody knows what those stupid stupid stupid flags mean Steve Okay, since you're talking about aliasing I Have I have a shit ton of aliases to install packages is installed to update it to update its update and To push packages to my repository. It's you repo update repo. There's a shit ton of aliases you can do I've seen aliases go as far down as Rip Recently installed packages rip Preston pieces, but hey You can you can alias anything to anything basically Aliases are a lifesaver and it's not arch specific. It can be done on any distro. It can be done on Zsh bash Go ahead Dennis when you are scripting a A command at least with bash and It's a UNIX Linux environment and you need to Decide on a condition To do something You test for a file and it can be an empty file But test for a file in order to Specify the condition That's a good idea Those test those tests are always good to learn Terminal for life when he was around was always doing stuff like that, but I'm horrible at bash scripting these days I haven't had any practice lately ddubs. Go ahead Yeah, just to add on to the excuse me the aliases I Excuse me. I put all my common aliases in a dot bash RC first dash personal file And then whatever distro I'm using I Use exactly what what Dennis just suggested. I checked to see if that file is there And then I just source it So that way I can just move it very easily From system to system whether it's a VM or physical server or what have you and you keep that in your git So as you learn a really cool one you just add it there. I Just found it's really handy even even in next I have it source a and look for that file and source it Yeah, that that's a good idea I don't I don't I source a file, but I don't check to see if it exists I just if it doesn't exist bash pops up. Hey, this file doesn't not found you know, that's that's my dad That's my test Steve well Another another tip I want to share with everyone is all the commands you learn as you go in Linux if You don't rely on your memory to remember them don't save them just in a regular notepad just save them in a in a script and You can echo out what each command does at the and you will see that quickly enough You're gonna end up with us with a automated script that does all these things you learn through time all you have to do is run the script and It's going to run Through these commands one by one. Just make sure to put a pause in between Each major command and and just know that the last ones are I'm dash RF. Oh Yes But As long as you know the commands you're running and you have tested them before and you want to keep them Just script them turn them into a useful script that you're gonna be able to run After a fresh install so it does everything you usually do on your system to get up and running quickly Worth under good I say leading off of that One of the other best tricks I've ever had is keep good backups If you're like me like you've used the DD command before and understand that it really does mean disk destroyer when you don't know What's going on? I have wiped out four terabytes worth of data DDing the wrong drive because I happen to have it connected at the time So whether it's your system with time shift or snapper for like butter if I snap shots or whatnot You should keep some backups of your data and some backups of your system because updates can really screw you over Exactly and specifically when you connect a drive that instead of another that The previous one was SDC, but the new one took SDC as well Because you unplug the previous one you will end up deleting the wrong drive. Yeah, you should be careful with that Ddubs I was gonna say in that case LS BLK space minus F is your friend What you're doing DD Show you not only the devices, but the file system like I run that Any time I'm doing anything like even just making you know making an ISO onto a USB stick Run it. Okay. Let me check it again. Just to make sure Yep Yep, I made a mistake that day and I will not make it again. The dash F thing is new to me I'm gonna use that all the time file systems. That's cool Dennis. Yes. It's very cool In an LS USB of course, but The LS BLK minus F is really really nice, especially like If you like you migrated file systems or whatever you've got a disk, you don't know what's on it How it's formatted it gives you the labels it gives you all of that It comes and if you're running if it's a part of a ZFS pool You'll see the pool info all that kind of stuff Invalium info too as well Yep, cool Dennis save to an NAS Most of your most important files other than what you're currently working with and Copy what a bunch of schools and companies do on a smaller scale And then you can have multiple NASA's Sorry, I call them NAS is a lot of times but their NAS is the proper term But have other ones in order to back up that one So that you never lose any information Yeah, that's the best way to do it back up a backup to a backup of a backup Also test your backups just make sure that it actually is there a lot of people that go halfway Oh, I got a lot of backups, but then they find out that half their Transfer did not work for whatever reason and they didn't they're missing half of their family photos. It happens a ton I just lost 10 terabytes because my 10 terabyte drive just died So Steve you need better backups, bro Well, those the data that existed on that drive was just legally obtained movies Also Just kind of as an offshoot since we mentioned raid again I was actually surprised how easy setting rate up was like software raid I had never done it before like ever and it was just a few commands and it worked fine Josh tuned in said I was doing it wrong, but I did it fine. I did it fine And so I bought so just to kind of harken back to a couple of lugs ago. We were talking about home servers I bought the So I ended up using the Dell I talked about that last time and then this time I got a eight Bay hard drive enclosure and I got some refurbished hard drives put in it. So I have like 40 terabytes of hard rest space now Yeah, I'm not gonna run a space anytime soon. It's good But anyways, I set up rate a rate array on that and I went raid zero this time just because I Don't care about any of the I mean I do care about the data But it's all backed up elsewhere. So I don't as we'd rather have that large amount of space, but it was very very easy So Ddubs go ahead Yeah MD ADM or whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, pretty reliable, especially the stripe the thing I'm worried about the most is If I have to switch to a different distro, which I don't foresee myself and do more If this computer dies and I have to put it on a new computer How I'm gonna get that to transfer over now What I think I'll probably end up doing is if I have to do that is to just Basically clone the hard drive and put it in the new system. It's probably what I'll do But if I end up having to distro hop, then I'd be worried about it. Um, I haven't really looked into how it traps Or I'm assuming that it's possible. I don't know yet. Yeah, make sure you save your MD config Yeah, oh because the drive should have some raid metadata on it so that as long as You've constructed it using labels not using devs DA's that sort of thing. It should reconstruct on the new system You may want to even test it. Well, I will test it But I'm also going to make sure that everything is just always backed up to multiple places Then if it then if it dies, you know, it'd be fine Steve go ahead Before I start with my next tip, am I the only one sending out tips right here? But before I start I want to mention that this drive I Ended up wiping with a DD command by mistake and it had open Sousa on it So open Sousa doesn't want to remain on my system for whatever reason skill issue Yeah Of course my my next tip is If in case you are using butter FS instead of using time shift use napper Definitely, it's it's the best solution, especially with a tool if you use a tool created by non other than the Garuda people It's called butter FS assistant It should be called snapper assistant But they called it butter FS assistant, but it's mainly for snapper and you'll be it's going to allow you to manage your snapshots from within a GUI GUI on your active system. Yeah, it's amazing Use it. Oh, yeah, but our fast for life Ddubs Yeah, just to add that it's also available on arc of the better FS assistant. However Be very careful on your schedules because the default Not only does like hourly snapshots of your route and so forth, but every time you do a package It's creating a snapshot Very quickly you can consume your space unless you happen to have a very large disc The second tip with better FS is Also create a schedule for your home partition because by default depending on how you install that home is not included only The root is included. Yeah You think oh, I've got a snapshot my home stuff. No, it's not No, and Just as a side a side note it took me Maybe three months until Eric was convinced to include butter FS assistant on on the arco repositories I Thought Steve's correct me if I'm wrong. I thought you were big on what XFS is that what done you're you're using? I don't use butter FS. I'm just I'm just adding to the topic of this episode. You said tips It doesn't mean that the tips we are using Of things we are using I was like, are you are you cheating on XFS? That's that's amazing I would never cheat on XFS The only caveat with XFS because it does copy on write When you copy files on a let's say on a usb stick and you try to eject the usb stick It will take forever to eject because it's still copying without the Because it's 100 done, but it's because copy on write That dialogue is useless And the activity is still happening in the background So just on the topic of of snapshots you can control by going into the the snapper config file How many snapshots that it keeps? Yeah, open sues that by default will keep 10. I think 10 or 15 One's not marked important. It'll keep all of them marked important, which is not the best thing because Zipper when it runs will mark every snapshot that it creates has important. So you got to kind of fix that And it's not as if I The biggest problem there is that most people install most of their software at the beginning of their soft their distro installation So you Go through this entire like wave of installing stuff and then you just use your computer Like most people once they have all their stuff installed. They don't install anything else for a very long time. So If you're going to rely on butterfs Don't forget to do a snapshot every once in a while and grown if you're not going to be installing stuff Don't rely just on your package manager to do the snapshots for you Exactly. So I would agree on that one Just put this out there. I'm going to make a proposal for all of linux. Let's make butterfs the default Never xfs as default. No, shut up steve. I'm meeting you. Um, butterfests is better This is this is why we're never going to do we're just going to we're going to be on exd4 for ever because we're never going to Agree on a future Which is going to be sad also drew We need to we need to contact the debbing guys and make it easier on on debbing to use butterfs Then I would have no channel so He'd never even have no video idea I watch every single one of those because it's just fascinating, but I really want a gooey system to make better Of sub volumes and stuff or just make better default sub volumes, I guess I think I think I have One video over 50,000 views and it's that one It's it's good stuff And I don't think we're going to have to worry about it because they're just going to stick with exd4's default for literally ever But everybody will there's nothing wrong with exd4. It's just you know, it's not better fast Ddubs go ahead Yeah, I I agree with you. I mean, I wish That they had basically kind of like what our pro does and does a pretty good job of a proper layout I do like the fact that with the advances all in debbie and you know, you can easily change to xfs which I also prefer frankly over butterfs Butterfs and raid has issues Other than mirroring, you know, it's I don't know for me the jury's still out on on better fs Overall, I I do like debbie is improving But thanks to drew, you know, we can we can we can fix the rest There was a Recent addition to the Linux kernel. I can't remember the name It was a it's a new it's not a new file system has been around for a while But it's a combination of xfs and butterfes It has the best of both worlds and they just got added to the Linux kernel. It's like bee hunk bee chunk Something like that Be cash, maybe that's it. Um I heard about on Linux mat Linux matters. You're one of the Linux late night Linux shows Um, and that's not very interesting, but I'm a little work I'm a little worried that we're going to end up having even more fragmentation in the file system A space and everybody will be using something different Steve go ahead Yeah, I wanted to add to that. I just uh, there was a recent article on phoronics about be cash fs Sees more fixes for linux 6.9 and I do agree with you. We're getting way too many file systems these days There should be the top three and call it a day This is never gonna happen everybody's gonna do what they they want to do and that's fine That's the way of open source, but it's just it makes things a little confusing but also it doesn't because Honestly, no distro uses any of these offshoots by default. Anyways, they all use the xt4 And that's just the way it is and we'll be ddubs. Go ahead Yeah, that's a strongly disagree with steve about limiting choices I come from a storage background Years ago when xfs was still pretty new we switched to it for video applications You know if if that wasn't there, I mean exe 4 was just incapable of delivering the performance You know and other people may you know like better fs or whatever comes down the pike or whatever and it also kinds of stifle innovation Because someone say well, let's say we're talking about this this combination You know of a better fs kind of xfs kind of thing Well, if there aren't anybody to test it and try it and find the bugs Because there's no corporation hired a large, you know qa team to do that You know, yeah, we're kind of guinea pigs, but we don't care. We're we're experimenters. We're You know, we want to you know, try new things and solve problems. So Now I I cannot disagree strong enough with limiting choices That then we're going down the microsoft path. You see the latest fix from them. I call it fix the The next update to windows 11 is going to literally prevent applications from being installed Certain applications for tuning the system. Excuse me from being installed Yeah, no no choice is the only way that litics continue my opinion continues to be As amazing as it is and grow So we don't just find oh you you only get this because I think that's the best file system right off Steve go ahead I just wanted to clarify that's that's the reason why I said We should keep a handful, but not way too many Because it might add to fragmentation. I didn't mean limit the choice as in just Have one and call it a day No, just keep the the ones that matter and the ones that are just hobbyist file systems or just passing by file systems Keep them at bay or just don't Make them Don't publicize them the way you publicize the main the main supported ones d-dubs I say let the market or the users decide So again, who's going to bell the cat who's going to decide which file systems Are the ones that are are included The use case Well adoption, okay Where do you get that information who's using it how many for what purpose? It's going to be exactly like it's done with distros right like void and ardyx and Aspen or whatever all the the minor distros that you can think of They all exist. They have user bases It's going to be the same thing with file with file systems. They're all going to have Use cases are going to have have file systems is there's not going to be have popularity because And this is true even of the semi major file systems like butterfs and xfs and You know, whatever, you know The ones that every people have heard of those are still going to be second tier because ext4 Is the thing that we know we can rely on and everybody knows that you can rely on it even if you know It has its own issues It's kind of The file system has to be the one thing that actually works and works well always and unfortunately Whether it's true or not butterfests has a reputation for not being as stable As you know, you'd want it to be now. I I've been using butterfests for three or four years now Like straight and haven't had any issues But it was just like two months ago Whatever that a a game breaking bug came down and it was keeping all the metadata Which was filling up everybody's drive Like in every that all this was had to push down a brand new version of the kernel in order to fix it And that was that was a kernel based bug. So that's still Happening and and that that stuff doesn't fix the reputation of butterfests. So it's it's going to be xt4 uh probably for ever And is there all right file and system there's is there an ext5 or is that like like the sequel or something Is that is that something that's ever going to happen if does it already exist or what I don't even know I certainly hope not There's just too many limitations with the the structure of ext I mean everybody knows ext4 is not a A new file system. It is a add-on to an existing one Yeah, it's it's not something that will scale both in sizes and number of files Yeah They found they finally deprecated Starting they're finally starting to deprecate ext2 in the kernel I wonder if anybody actually I'm I'm positive. There's still people out there using ext2 on some districts because there's some there's some Yeah, isn't like ubuntu 14 or 4 still being supported like I'm pretty sure Like yeah, they still have extended support So so so for some reason I'm per I mean I may be misremembering this but I'm pretty sure that ext2 was what 4204 used but maybe it maybe it's Maybe maybe it was three. I knew I knew that's that's 10 years ago so Still plenty of people using this kind of stuff. Uh sound bob good I just want to add on that whole idea Honestly, we got some Who's actually talking Okay, uh, go ahead sound no idea I just want to add on that idea of extend 2 because ext2 is still like a Supported option inside of the slacker installer to be, you know, to no one's surprise I'm surprised they're not still using dutch cars. I'm just okay Yeah, exactly You use ext4 though I do yes, I thought so I've actually been going on thinking of going on steve's boat. I've been thinking of moving my system over to xfs Just make sure make sure not to eject your usb drive when the dialogue disappears Yeah, use crusader it'll tell you crus crusader has better fast support and it will work well with xfs 2 The progress meter will go away But when you try to eject it just says this drive is busy. You can't do that yet Yeah, same with dolphin, but it's kind of annoying because some people think I've had people telling me I ejected my drive because the dialogue disappeared even though dolphin was telling me that not to eject the drive But I when the dialogue disappears that means that the file is Is copied I'm like no no no not with xfs. Don't be careful You guys know with uh, especially dunce dunce is great about like the dialogue will disappear But then I just wait around a little bit because then it says now safe to eject the drive Yeah, same with dolphin. Yeah, Dennis go ahead mine my system A lot of times for whatever reason It'll tell you it's trying something about trying to eject But it won't tell you That it's finished. So I just look at the usb's light and when it stops Working the light, then I know it's probably finished a lot of times Which no I love that's one a lot of drives don't have lights anymore Exactly Exactly what I wanted to say not a lot of drives have a light. Look at this one. This one does not have a light nowhere. Yeah, it's a Aluminum thing. Yeah, it's an sd card reader even some big ones now have just they've went the The apple pulling the headphone jack route of no lights because it's cheaper, right? So um the I don't remember what I was gonna say. It's fine the the With butter fs I think that my favorite thing about it is That it works so well on open susa I I had a good look with it on fedora fedora, but fedora doesn't set it up well out of the box I had a good time with it on um Arch for quite a while or arco I guess it was for quite a while as well And it just it just works So well when when when you have it set up? Right and you have the right sub volumes and you have snapper doing everything automatically in the background for you when you Install or do an update. It just works so well and it's saved Not only saved my my ass so many times when you like an update who goes wrong, but also Especially if you're like me who switches around and install stuff that Really shouldn't go together. Well, it's so easy just to roll back. So for for example, I installed plasma six and used that for a while I uninstalled plasma six so I can install gnom because Why not I I did it for like a half an hour And then I went back to I just rolled back to when plasma six was installed It was so cool and the fact that I could do it is just it just makes me happy d dubs. Go ahead Yeah, I'm just gonna say my experience with better fs is a little bit different not necessarily a system drive But using their mirroring I did that on a proxmox server And I kept getting alerts about corrupted bits And I would go and I would check it to be okay. It's fine Wait a while Get another alert and another alert. So I I've had a bit of a story passed with better fs Um, yeah, I don't think it I don't think it does raid very well But I've not even on the raid array that I just set up I used dxd4 because I knew it was going to work for well Yeah, um, well, no in this case mirroring traditionally had been deemed good with better fs And they were everybody was has been saying stay away from like a raid five or a raid six in better fs So, yeah, it was just once I switched that over Uh to basically what I for a while did zfs and it ultimately ended up on xfs With with like would you did md? in You know zero problems I think I I'm not technical Um enough to know this for sure, but it feels like the reason why it doesn't work well on A lot of the raid tiers is because of the way copy on right works Uh and the way that they implemented on butter fess. It just it just those two things don't really feel like they Go together well because of the way that things are laid out on a raid array, but It feels like they should have gotten Closer to it being stable on raid than it has been but maybe that's just not a bright a Priority for them. I don't know ddubs Yeah, just a copy on right. That's used by the way in almost every raid array Out there because of its efficiency And especially with snapshots, you know If your device supports snapshots the copy on right is basically Well, zfs is is copy and write too, right? Yeah, so I'm gonna write is they obviously have it working in some places, but but our fess hasn't got there yet Or apparently Again, it's It's more that's more of how you're sort of managing Your rights. Am I you know to reduce dfrag? Again to make it very simple on for snapshots instead of overwriting a block. I copy it to a new one So that if if there is a snapshot, I don't have to actually move a block I simply have a pointer In the snapshot to the old block So for example, if I'm writing to a block location 5,000 and then I do another write that updates that I'm going to write it to a different block That's saying I'm going to write it to block 10,000 But my snapshot still points to block 5,000. That's how you're able to roll back It doesn't actually make a copy of your original data It writes a new copy copy on write And then does the pointers back to If you're writing snapshots back to the original data So that when you roll it back You're simply using the snapshot to point you to the data as it was at that time All the work that way So whether it's rate or not, it doesn't matter. I mean you see you can do it on the regular disk You know a single disk you can do it on mirroring. You can do it on teller Dennis If you are using timeshift and you're using ext for They really need to make that program faster at least on my distro Um because it it's great when it runs in the background and stuff like that but I think that unfortunately In windows system restore has us a little bit beat on speed itself Um, maybe it shouldn't work the same way as that ever works But um, they have us beat on speed With that That isn't doesn't timeshift just you For the non-butterfest part of timeshift doesn't just use rsync in the background Yeah, it uses rsync. Exactly. That's why it's slow. It actually has to do the copy Yeah, our rsync is just inherently the way it works is is is not fast Right and its system restore is basically the differential So it's a much less data that you're actually rolling back On that restore point That's why it's fast just like with a snapshot. It's only the delta Snapshots are so good. All right Anyway, let's let's move away from being file system nerds again We seem to get into the file system is way more Uh, uh, not been anywhere else. Uh, Steve, go ahead So you want tips again? Yeah, bring us bring us another tip Steve Okay, I got a lot of them. I got a center Sent us back full of tips one at a time so we can discuss Okay All right, this tip Revolves around How can how can I put it without moving To a shill area but plasma It's a plasma tip because I'm the plasma shill When you want to install or well, yeah, when you want to install themes on plasma Never ever install them from the aur or the arch repositories if you want to have a stable system install them straight from source And only install the ones that are specifically made for your version of plasma So you don't encounter the same issue as that user who had his own directory deleted Because he tried to install a plasma 5 global theme on plasma 6 Just make sure you're in the right section because if you go to store dot kde.org You're going to see new sections appearing for specifically made for plasma 6 And if you install from not the store directly just go to the theme you want to install there will be a link Up top under the profile of the user who shared it to their github and install from there Never install from from kde store or aur or Arch Linux repository if you want the stable system And if you do that if you follow the steps correctly, you're gonna have no issue Because I know that because I use plasma and I test And I'm a geek So I know how to do things how to test things and where to go and stuff So steve you're you're saying to download it from the website and then Install that download from the what download from github from the source directly because not most In most cases their Themes will include an install script That's gonna make your life easier. I want to rant for a second. Can I rant for a second? go ahead Boss, okay plasma Plasma has the built-in way of installing these things and steve just told us not to use it That that tells us everything we need to know about plasma Okay, and this isn't a plasma six problem. This has been a Plasma problem for literally the beginning of time ever since this was a feature Things Are not great when you use that and they break things all the time But the worst part about that whole system is that they allow you to upload multiple versions of things And you can only install one of them through that make that that interface where you go in and say add new themes or whatever You can only install one of them or if they are really different versions a lot of Dumbass developers don't put the version number in the file name So you don't know which ones is actually the newer version. So you just have to guess Which is not the way that it should it should be it should be done. It's just so It's infuriating. Also, they've had this stupid bug that's been there for at least five years Where every once in a while you'll get this pop-up that says error network error or something like that We can't find the thing that you're looking for Plasma I love you But you're a piece of shit steve I I just wanted to agree with you on that rant a hundred percent That's why I was telling I was telling I was using this as a tip Do not ever ever use plasmas dialogue as Matt said Because number one, it's buggy as heck number two They barely ever list the version number of the plasmoid. So, you know, which one you're installing They're getting better a little bit on plasma six because they now this dialogue only includes plasma six if you are on plasma six it will only include plasma six files, but Developers put out multiple versions of their plasmoids and themes and so on and so forth You don't know which one is the latest because they didn't put the version In them and another problem that I guess matt you didn't encounter yet and I wish you don't encounter it Is the fact that when you click install Most most of the time It's going to install the older version for whatever reason because the install button or download button is still linked to the older version And you will end up with incompatible plasmoid message So that's why I I keep recommending I will forever recommend that users do that from source Please do it from source until kde figure out the issue and finally fix it after I don't know maybe 30 40 years from now What they need to do is remove the feature completely just complete every single one of the so they have they have it for kwin scripts They have it for global themes. They have it for color schemes. They have icons all wallpapers Remove them all shove all that stuff into discover just have it one place And use it put it in discover make it easy for for developers and creators of these things to update that stuff and Discover already has a fantastic way of managing versions Like it's it's already built in all you gotta do is the problem with that solution Of course is that not every distro uses discover So because discover itself is also a pain in the ass So in other words the the moral of the story is just use good Well, there is this thing remember the days where discover actually detected updates for plasmoids and themes and Add-ons it doesn't do that anymore It doesn't do that anymore Why would do that dennis go ahead? Why can't we just start putting um the themes and stuff like that in like regular distro packages or something as far as what kde does And then to apply a theme you install a package And it can have a system Where where it installs the package in a special way Where it's still just installs the package. That's the whole command but um But it does it Besides your package manager the a u r is gonna The u r maintainers are gonna love the fact that there are 30 different versions of the arc theme They're gonna love that also If you're you're on arc and I have or if you're on arch and you have the special awesome theme You know, let's just call it grove box and You have that but i'm on open susa and it's not in my repositories I'm going to be very mad and very upset also the people who create the themes have to package it for every little distro and this It's just Much work. I think that's the reason why it doesn't happen. Steve go ahead I wanted to add that this is impossible because themes can don't function unless they are installed Don't function correctly unless installed into your home directory, which package managers will never touch So it's impossible to create packages out of themes and plasmoids and fonts No fonts. Yes, but uh themes and global themes and stuff like that Never because especially if you use flatpacks Because flatpacks only have access to your home directory. They cannot access files outside So if you want to use your system theme on flatpacks, you it has to be installed in your home directory Otherwise it will not function. So that's impossible. So install from source Yeah, see the thing is here is that katie discovered what ganome already knew is that theming is really hard so they katie has tried to fix the problem by literally throwing every solution at it possible So you have color schemes and global themes and appearance themes and all this stuff, right? So they have every setting you could possibly want and it's confusing It's broken Ganome says, well, we're just not gonna do it at all. You know, so so they will both went to the different screams so the extremes so the It's it theming is weird on Linux. It's something that we should we are One of the reasons why I like plasma so much is because you can do theming very well. It's very If you it feels integrated whereas if you're gonna try to theme ganome, it's very hacky but it's also astonishingly broken a lot of the times and One of my biggest disappointments with plasma 6 is that they didn't do a better job of changing anything regarding theming and stuff That is that is correct to a certain degree But that paved way to some plasmoids because now that plasma 6 has opened The door a little bit wider When it comes to widgets One of the developers created a widget that is so amazing and so well integrated into plasma That i'm i am never going to use my system without it. It's the quick setting thing Uh, it mimics the one that is on apple that gnome took and then now plasma but that quick settings Plasmoid is amazing. The the guy is continuously pushing updates and Now he integrated weather in it and he's integrating more and more he wants to integrate Kde Kde connect into it. So you don't need the separate icon for kde connect. It's gonna all be integrated into that Uh quick settings thing But in order to hide the one that is because plasma will always do plasma if you install kde connect There will always be that extra kde connect plugin icon in the system tray to hide it you just go to system tray entries You just hide it and just keep the one in the quick settings one and it's perfect The only thing he's trying to figure out now right now is the to integrate pipe wire and the audio Stuff in the uh thing currently you can only Increase or decrease the general volume of your system. He wants to integrate more granularity into it But other than that, it's an amazing widget and that was only made possible because of plasma six new Jason language I mentioned just one second Dennis Drew in the chat Arthur Thompson wants to know are you still using dwm I take it from the grin that he's he's back on bspwm is his his home No, I'm using dwm. Oh really you're still there. That's cool. Yeah Yeah, I'm actually using it right this second. Yeah, that's cool I I constantly go through and patch it for fun and then never use it. Um, because I'm a I'm a sea nerd Dennis you're first go ahead one more idea for the plasma developers Instead of Same idea, but instead of using system packages invent for specifically that purpose To still be safer though their own complete custom version of a package manager That's available that everywhere That plasma is available and then do the same thing that exists. That's my final idea for them for now But that's an idea they could use They actually they actually have it. It's that um, what's it called the opium store or something? um Oh something like that. Yeah, nobody nobody uses it by the way No, nobody use it, but that that is was originally a KDE project. It's just kind of Transitioned into everything. I think OCS url. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody uses it ddubs. Go ahead I just could briefly tail on to the the dwm. It's it's it's kind of fun And thanks to Drew's video. I'm actually I'm trying to do it on nixos if you think patching it A devion is fine. You should try it with nixos All right, explain to us why it would be different. It's doesn't have something to do with paths declare it In other words in devion or any traditional normal linux, you would just You know patch it and then rebuild Well in the declarative environment of nixos in the configuration for dwm. You have to declare the patches their url and The shade 256 to make sure that it's it's all good But you don't see you you then build it and he was like, well, I hope the patch integrated. Okay Okay, this right here is why my nixos of the reviews never coming Yeah, but again the benefit the beauty of it though is once you have it It's you don't have to go through the the issues that you do with dwm Every time you say, oh, okay. Well, I've been salty the other package. Okay I'm gonna go find my patches. Let me do my dips. Okay. Oh this patch failed because you figured it out once You now have the recipe So now you just play that So that once I have my configuration patch And I save it in my repository I could hand it to you and say look here's dwm with all the all the best patches or all the best patches I think and you wouldn't have to go through any of the pain I've done it for you But I'm I'm confused because you can do that. I like I have a whole Patched I have 27 patches on my dwm. I can take that file and just hand it to you when you could use it on any distro That's not a nixos has specific thing It's literally I've already done the patching. It's like it's done like that's not That hasn't been my experience with with dwm if you're running the exact Same let's say build of dwm the extra the source that's suitable But that's not always the case if i'm running, you know, 651 your patches could be against 65 That source code isn't the same. So I can't just patch it. There's going to be merge errors Well, no I've already done the patching. So I have my dwm. I've already done all the patching I just take the directory put it up on gets people can download it and build it. It's already there The patch the patching and all the merge conflicts are already done the only Problem you would have is if you're on a rpm based distro in which case you have to change some of the lines in A couple of the dwm. Like I said, you've patched. Let's say you're running dwm 6.5 The actual source version of dwm I'm running 651 I can't just take your patches Because they're going to be changes in the source code between those two Well patching so unless I use your version exactly how you have it or maybe I've got an older one Okay, yeah, you you would overwrite and use my version But that's the way that dwm has traditionally worked as you use the version of the code that you're that you did but This would be fair that they don't change. They've although they've been changing versions a lot have a lot more laced lately than they used to um Steve go ahead you you had your hand raised. I'm sorry This is going to be near and dear to your heart. This tip is going to be near and dear to your heart dear reader uh But this is to all people who who are bookworms and who read a lot of books like mad here He eats up books like I have lunch uh but If you want to organize your books I recommend a docker container called uh bookshelf There you can organize your books for categories or uh By artists, uh art. I mean not artists. What do you call them authors? Yeah authors and Stuff like that and to accompany that in case you are more of a audio book listener There's something called audio bookshelf Which I have I have every single Isaac azimov and star wars fan book and The entire dune series including the uh The off-shoot ones by his son brian herbert So I've been into that So yeah, I recommend those two applications for all the book listeners and book readers In case you want to organize all your libraries because I've been into dune for the past two months and my brain feels like It has had a bit of that spice melange Now that I have my homelab setup, I'm going to be getting into a lot of that docker stuff. I'm looking forward to it Dennis go ahead My old way of organizing books But I'll probably Try programs in the future like that But my oldest way of doing it as far as the non-fiction ones like Like that taught me basic computer skills and Uh, let's see other non-fiction books That are like textbooks sort of I um organized them in in a system I invented called tutorial order I had a label on each book That told me which tutorial order and that's how I knew if I was building The show from scratch because I moved how to set it up again Cool That's not a bad idea But yeah, uh, and I recommend people read dune It's it's it's wonderful. I've never Became a fan of any story that I read until I started reading dune and don't compare it to the movies Then none of the movies will give the story the books any any Any good It's gonna basically destroy the whole story, but it's it's not for the lighthearted It's for the people who are willing to put up with weird mushroom It's like it gives you the feeling that you have to be wasted and high as as a kite before you read them because Hey, guess what? Frank Herbert he was high as a kite when he wrote them. So he was high on mushrooms specifically Okay I'm reading the the miss porn series right now. Um, so here's another tip for you if you're going to use multiple window managers And you want to make sure That when you inevitably distro hop you have everything where it needs to be Back up your configuration files to get just do it. I know a lot for I've talked to quite a few people in the last like week and a half or so that have Two window managers usually it's not as bad as me like I have like nine window managers installed right now Nobody's like me my vast majority of people aren't like me, but um a lot of people still have two and they go and they Customize them both and then but they find that they like one over the other And then they spend a lot of time away from the other one and they forget how to configure that Because it's like in Haskell or something. Let's just say for example, and you forget the Haskell that you learned while you were configuring it Back up to your GIP page and then also As you're going through and making your changes Document what you're learning in a readme file Like anything that you think that you might forget later put it in a markdown file upload it as readme.md that way You can if you come back to that window manager later You can know exactly the things that you've done Uh, if you don't want to do that add comments to the configuration file so that you can know What you did and why you did it? I'm having this problem right now Because I came back to x-mone add And somewhere I know it's stupid I like I've actually learned to like x-mone add But when I was configuring it for the first time and actually learning how to use it Somewhere along the line. I made the change In the that bottom loop at the bottom That that basically tells it to execute everything as far as I can understand Haskell, which is still not at all um, there There's a section there somewhere where I put in something that kept Dual floating windows from not appearing in the correct order. So if I have say for example, I'm in audacity and I have the Export audio Dialogue up and then I hit You know export instead of the progress bar appearing on top like it should it appears underneath that window and it happens constantly And there's obviously more examples of this and I there's something in the x-mone add The x-mone add configuration file that is making it happen this way And I explicitly remember when I was learning how to to do the Haskell to make sure that dialogues and And file pickers and stuff were floating I remember on reddit someone saying you have to do this in order to prevent things from not being in the wrong order I remember that I can't find that reddit post anywhere. So I have no clue how to fix it. So Pro tip just always document your stuff as much as possible. Make sure you upload and have backups of everything Notes everywhere as much as possible steve I wanted to just add to what you said It's a window manager users problem Not a desktop environment problem. Steve. We just talked about 10 minutes about how buggy plasmids. So you don't have room to talk To she you saw my battleships Anybody has have us another tip that we can never talk about steve. You're gonna save us with another tip Yep, all right Am I the one come on pay pony up the cash? I'm the one with the tips here just a bunch of slackers Go ahead your bunch of slackers. Okay. Here's here's my other tip This one is a doozy. Are you ready? No, but go ahead Okay, well My my tip is if you If you love what you're using And you're okay with what you're using And you don't have any issues and you're happy as a child Do not join any Linux community right now please don't because you're gonna Meet a lot of a lot of guys and I'm not talking about the guys here here the guys. They're my brothers They're my brethren. They're they're my posse Steve Just be careful when you join a linux community because A lot of them are going to treat what they use as a religion So if you encounter such people just know you joined the wrong Community, there are some good communities out there. Don't get me wrong like Matt's community discord server. You're never gonna meet a better bunch of people. They're amazing Uh, why? So, uh, be careful which community you join. Save yourself the headache. Don't join any Until you really need it unless you really need it Matt, how much are you paying this man? I have a nothing. He's just my he's my cheerleader. Uh, silent bob go ahead No, no, I was just adding in that whole uh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, bob Steve Don't put on a costume. I don't need to see you in the cheerleader costume. Go ahead bob. I'm sorry Oh god No, I was just thinking that no Steve. I mean that there's no toxic people in the linux community not at all That was a subject. We can't look at specific distros communities and go There's totally no toxic people in here as I'm looking at arch and nicks No, but uh, that was a subject of my video for tomorrow. Uh, so Are you delving into the backstreet stuff? Is that is that what you're getting into? No, no, no, no, I'm not talking about the backstreet stuff that I leave to the professionals who know hyperland and know backstreet very well No, I'm talking I I found a meme on my server that somebody posted on my server and I used it as the subject of my video but suffice it to say, uh There's a lot those kind of people cause division and I was like, uh United we stand divided we fall remember that saying but That it kind of sucks and there's a lot of new to linux users that keep coming to me for whatever reason because they saw Is it a linux somewhere? Uh, but they come to me and they tell me I don't want to use linux anymore because everywhere I ask for help in the places I asked for help All I got was I'm using linux wrong. I shouldn't be using linux and they were pushing we are pushing me away from linux so I'm like I need to make a video about this Dennis go ahead. Um Use a cheat sheet um for I I'm specifically talking about permissions for now because that hasn't been Said that much, but like so you can remember the numbers like 777 what it actually means um, it's more for It's more for people who are just Learning but it can still help those of us who know Who knows some things about how it works? It can still help um, you'll save yourself time if you don't want to memorize it If you just use a cheat sheet for that I use a cheat sheet But the place I save it is kind of weird. I save it in telegram saved messages That is because telegram has this saved messages area where you can save a lot of notes For later use So I save them there because it's easier than having to use Joplin or this app or that app. I know that with telegram it's synced across devices On telegram and I use telegram with with family So I'm like, I'll save them there I even have serial numbers for applications for games on windows that I got from steam because I have the games on steam But I got the original isos. Thanks to war thunder and our classic collection stuff Unreal tournament for example 2k 2k 4 When you buy the game on steam, they give you the retail serial number You can use it on the retail disc or the game on steam So I save those serial numbers On telegram on say On save messages That is weird steve Dennis go ahead Related There's stickers you can get from Teemo, I think that's how the Chinese stores pronounce The stickers have keyboard shortcuts um And um by those stickers a couple of A couple of ones that look helpful to you or the mouse pad And keep them by your computer Steve's Nexus with mouse pad. That's an amazing one. I want to really buy that one War Thunder good I was going to say building up that if you don't know your key bindings Perhaps going through your system and setting key binding you will remember is a great way to learn some things like I use flame shot at least on my known Wayland systems and uh knowing That had a keystroke, but I could just pull that up and whatnot. It's great. I'm sure there was a default key binding I thought it was jank. I prefer just hitting screenshot And flame shot popping up and then I could just take a screenshot if I need to do full screen or something then you know, I've got a different app for that but Just being able to do that at a keystrokes notice is just nice to have Also, if you're gonna if you were going to customize your key bindings Do it phonetically like don't try to be clever with yourself and then forget that you were how clever you were Use b for browser or w for web. Don't use p or v or whatever some weird letter like just I mean That's for suffering You use the thing That's going to be the most easy to remember in your brain because you're gonna forget especially if you have multiple key bindings for multiple things and I didn't take my own advice but I'm used to it now but And it goes it goes to show every time I try to switch to a different keyboard binding Or do to a different keyboard layout None of mine are phonetically stored like except for like web browser the W for web browser all the other ones are weird like I have all a For volume down all d for volume up. Whatever reason I skipped s. Don't know why I did also all of my Um scratch pads are along the bottom row, which I suppose makes sense But they're not saved to anything that makes sense for what those scratch pads are They're just random like in order, but I'm used to them now, but it's just it's weird uh drew go ahead I was just gonna say I think matt you shamed me into changing key bindings at one point because I don't think I was using like super shift c for uh closing Uh a window and you and you're like what the heck just do super q or something I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was just like oh And then and then it was like light bulb moment That's that makes so much sense and just make it as easy as possible super shift c is A default on a lot of window managers, but also it's been perpetrate Perpetuated I'm a writer. I know words. Uh anyways, it's all d t's fault is what it is d t's uses super shift c and uh He's been using it now ever since he started his channel and he says that stuff over and over again And every time I want to do I just want to take him and just knock him on his bald head And what are you doing? That is not a good That's not a good key binding for clothes. Nobody's gonna think that's not intuitive That's not what you want to use just use super q and the most Infuriating thing is that some window managers now use super q to quit the entire window manager And uh, if you're used to super q and you accidentally do that in the middle of compiling something If you're on gen 2 like I did at one point. That's not a good experience Um, just make sure you check your key bindings before you start actually doing things in your window manager because that happened all the time Super q is is my favorite. Welcome. Um Uh Dennis go ahead Even if you take the advice that was just given Um, and even if you make it super easy The moment you know, you're gonna stick to your key bindings for a while Make your own sheet sheet For the key bindings you decided you like Whether it's logical or illogical and again Put that in a notebook or somewhere where you can access it And then You'll be able to use your computer Really easy from that point on um With both between the key bindings and the mouse And all that I should have done it years ago even using windows But I didn't So but I would be I would be really efficient And would have saved tendonitis A few times if I did that drew I was just gonna say I Here's a tip. I I set up actually a key bind for a super h for help And it's just a script That says these are the most commonly used key bindings for this particular Application or for this particular window manager rather, you know, it's just like and it just shows up as a List in dunst on one side. It stays there for 10 seconds and oh, okay. That's how that's what that is, you know um, so that's a that's a tip they in case you're In case you're interested sxh kd. I think matt you did like a um A video on xxh kd like a while back, but that is like That's that's the shit right there, you know, so good Just being able to move your key bindings from one to another It's unbelievably unbelievably useful So pro tip there if you are moving on to wailand or just in general There is a wailand version of sxh kd called sw hkd. It's not Quite as good yet, but I think it will get there eventually Assuming I get to wailand ever Yeah I I have I've abandoned wailand again Um Hyperland is just too buggy d dubs go ahead I'm gonna say another way to do what what drew was using with dunst is yet I don't know if you guys are familiar with that yad of yet another Dialogue dialogue. Thank you And it's very easy to script And it gives you a nice little window That you can put in all your bindings or whatever whatever you want And then it will go you can set a time report to to collapse But it has a very nice, you know, like a gtk or Or qt frame around it because it works pretty cool. It's very easy There's the first the sorry matt. I should have raised my hand, but The the very first version of the zero welcome tool on zero onyx was using yet Yet is amazing, but it's got a lot of stuff to learn All right, so there's a couple more ways to do the cheat sheet thing if you want to do it So first you could just use awesom wm. It has it built in I believe actually xmonet has it built in as well, but don't quote me on that It might that might just be dt's version of it Um, but so awesom wm has like if you hit super s will bring up a cheat sheet But if you're not on awesom you can do something similar if your window manager supports If it supports the scratch pads You can actually create a scratch pad that just opens up the a script like drew has It instead of going to dunce it opens up in a terminal so it can be scrollable And it just kind of opens up in a scratch pad. You can go through and do it that way If anybody knows the linux dabbler he has a youtube channel. He has a entire Video on how to create a script for that will basically extract all of the key bindings from Whatever window manager using I think he did it for dwm And it will just do that He did it first and then I copied him then dt copied me So you have your choices on who you want to want to watch make that exact same script because it's literally The exact same script all three of us did the same damn video one right after another So Larry's Dennis go ahead This one is a question. I have to ask about About um that script Does that particular script? Actually work in desktop environment window managers as well or no no because it searches through a configuration file But I think it wouldn't be too hard to do something similar with Probably kde because I think kde will store all their stuff In various places where you could easily extract it gnom. I'm not so sure about i'm not sure Gnom, you'd probably have to use something like decomp editor or something to extract that kind of stuff Because gnom is Yeah, you know, it's gnom. That's exactly what it is I don't know enough about gnomes to be able to tell you but I believe with with plasma You'd be easily be able to pull that out of the configuration file somewhere because Kde has configuration files everywhere. Uh steve go ahead I wanted to just add to the To the key bindings the thing For kde. Yes Kde has one configuration file where it stores that everything but here's here's the thing with kde It has this configuration file, but it follows another configuration file as well But that the second configuration file you will never find I could never find it. I've been using kde for five years Um, but as far as gnom gnom stores everything in deconf and they do not advertise deconf enough at all they like Or at all basically because There's a lot of things if you open deconf editor Which is included on kde for whatever reason but doesn't work on kde very well It crashes until you open it manually via Via terminal But if you launch it from the app menu it crashes, but whatever that's nor here nor there but With the gnome. There's so many things that are amazing once you start Digging into deconf. There are things you never thought possible on gnome, but they hide it They they give you the thing They never talk about it. Is there hidden little? Thing it's up to user to the user to discover. I don't know why they keep it that way Maybe because they don't want people to mess too much around with it and cause their system to crash, but Whatever I discovered so many things in there that made my life liveable Part of the reason why they don't is because they don't want people to break things They want think they want people to use it the way that they want they have set up But also because they have experimental stuff in there So if you right now gnome doesn't support fractional scaling outside of 100 and 200 that's the way they do it So if you want to use Incremental fractional scale like if you want 125% you have to use deconf editor in order to do that now that's gonna That's gonna change, but that's that's been there for well over a year And that's where they've tested it is with it with that deconf setting Same with vrr. Yeah, so so that's where they do a lot of their their testing For stuff and it's a lot of that stuff's just not stable So that's the reason why they don't because they want gnome to be as stable as possible Which I admire but it also Obviously limits gnome to You know just being the way the gnome is which is fine. Um, I I think that When it comes to key bindings my favorite Thing to do or my favorite tip is to especially I always have to remind myself that I'm not normal in this regard that I use multiple things and that not everybody Most people just use gnome or they just use kd They're never going to switch back and forth between them usually At least not as often as I do But if you do switch or you think you might switch in the future Always use the same key bindings like everywhere. Don't ever Ever change your key binding Going to different places just just just it will Seriously confuse you and ruin your muscle memory Especially if you've been using the same key bindings for a while Like if you if you're like you said if you use super c super q to quit Use that everywhere. Don't Use super shift c here super x in other places because not only will confuse you and ruin your muscle memory But some window managers do weird things with those key bindings already existing So if you use super q to quit stuff And then you go into another one and use super x because you have that bound to something else You might end up quitting your window manager Um, you know by accident, which I'm from those people not going to be a big deal But you might lose work or something so just use the key bindings Same key bindings everywhere and also make that the first thing that you every time you switch to something just go in there Make sure your key bindings are exactly right And exactly the way that you wanted to do don't do it over a period of time You know just the don't don't oh, yeah I haven't set that key binding and the only reason I know I didn't do it is because I just spawned, you know Random thing in the middle of a stream, right? You know just brought up my porn directory in the middle of my stream I don't want to see that There you go matt you just you monetize by just kidding Um, anyways, you just just make sure your key bindings are in the way that needs to be So, uh, Steve go ahead He yells at me not Not to demonetize him and it was gonna be one of us too. You knew it was You know, it was gonna be one of Yeah, what are you talking about? We're all saints over here at least at least I can only blame myself this time Anyway, I just wanted to add to your uh recommendation here Just uh FYI Eric Dubois beats you to it. He uses the same key bindings on every single window manager includes and arcolemics I mean he kind of had that too. There's only like 4 000 of them Yeah, well now you can install or 4 000 using a single iso instead of a 4 000 iso the way that it should have been all all long um, but yeah I uh I don't know so I've been using xmonad for a little while now and All right, I guess I'm back on xmonad now for a little while and I have Problems with what the way it does key bindings out of the box So I switched over to their easy config And then I remembered that q-tile has an easy config too So I went into my q-tile build and I was like, you know, I'm going to switch away from my Uh, the traditional way of you know the standard way of doing key bindings, which you know xk underscore whatever and then moved over to the easy config and It's not as I really wish they just used the easy config to begin with because it would make it so much easier. Um Because I mean it's easy right in the name, but it's it's not Unfortunately doing the switching away from around in tags the way they have it Requires quite a bit of python knowledge if you're going to switch over to doing the easy config, which is Disappointing uh, steve go ahead Uh, this this is another tip Dude I have so many um This is a tip for everyone listening or watching this um Please call a love of god. Don't do anything matt does What I do Don't go installing a million window managers and desktop environments on on your system unless you want to suffer like matt is Uh, that that that explains where he's mad all of the time where he's angry all the time I was the last time we saw steve ever again. I'm perfectly happy with the way things are. What are you talking about? You are happy that doesn't mean everybody will be You can install as many window managers as you want Don't listen to steve now Where you'll end up with problems is if you decide to install the gnome and kde side by side Then you'll have some issues don't do that Um Surprisingly though if you want to install plasma and xfc together doesn't seem to be an issue ddubs. Go ahead Yeah, I was gonna kind of agree with you matt you have to be careful about which you choose But I run quite a few Together sometimes yeah, you can run into some issues, but You can install a kde plasma and hypo land together Of course Sometimes it is just well the one reason for example is I like having an x11 backup to to a wayland system There's some applications or even running, you know discord until discord gets there Their stuff together, you know things like that, but honestly like I say I watched your video drew I was like man, I haven't had dwm. It's so long. I've just always kind of hated it as a I'm just gonna throw it in. I'm gonna do it the hard way. I'm gonna do it the xls one And but it challenges you It gives you a reason to get out of your comfort zone It gives you a reason to go try something and learn something at the same time But arch does that without having to install anything on top. No, no that you have to learn how to repair things Same with arts. Yeah. Well, no. No. No. No no no Exactly No, no, no, it's not arches 911 Arch is not 911 It's, uh, it's okay, it has its 911 moment, but whatever you install Uh on it, it's your building stuff on Top kind of so you learn as you go. That's why By maintaining a distro like XeroLinux for a long time, now it's dead. Don't ask how to get it because it's gone. By maintaining a distro, for me at least, I felt I was digging myself a hole because users would rely on me to fix their problems and which I didn't want. I wanted the whole idea was to teach them how to be a surf reliant. By doing everything for them, I wasn't teaching them that. So I decided to call it quits and to force their hand in a good way to learn and to be self-reliant. And by being self-reliant, you're gonna be learning a lot and you're gonna thank me for it. DWM definitely is the window manager that you'll learn the most on on how window managers are going to work. If you're going to use it, you're going to learn a lot about how it works and you're gonna learn way more C than you ever thought that you would because there's situations where you just kind of have to finagle things, especially the more patches that you decide you're going to install, the more you're gonna learn, not just because there's more patches, but because they conflict with each other more, which means you're going to be delving into DWM.C more and more and more. Excuse me, Dennis, go ahead. Bless you. I remembered something I did years ago when I was a lot less experienced if your particular Linux is being installed on a router and you access it with the command line to do some work, never as part of your troubleshooting. People will probably know this, but I had to say it anyway for those who might not, never bring down your network with your command unless you're immediately bringing it back up in the same command. It's something I did years and years ago and it caused problems. It sort of kind of created a semi break. Worth under, go ahead. Yeah, to lead on to that, and I did this fairly recently. I wish I had video of it, I would have totally posted it. On that note, when you're SSH'ing into your server, if you're trying to do some maintenance and whatnot and you're trying to make sure your firewalls set up correctly because I installed Debian, realized two months later I didn't have a firewall. Well, for a server that would be kind of nice to have, I installed firewall and I enabled standard profile and I was like, okay, I need to shut down the ports I don't need. I had a list of them of the ones I did need, except I neglected to remember which port SSH was on. And so while blocking all the firewall ports, I also blocked my own SSH connection and partially bricked the server. So then I had to have my wife help me hold a portable monitor off the front of the server so I could have a wireless keyboard and unblock the SSH port. So I could get back into my own server. So pay attention to when you do stuff like that to not absolutely screw your stuff over. Here's another tip as well that's kind of similar to that, although it doesn't have anything to do with SSH. If you're going to have an external hard drive that is going to be automated through FSTab and then you disconnect the external hard drive before you remove the FSTab entry so that you don't have to boot into emerging mode and then remove it that way. I actually, because I moved my external hard drive over to my new home lab setup and I forgot to do that. So it was my system was running fine and then I did one of the updates for open SUSE which was actually smaller than the five last week last week with the whole XZ thing. They literally redid the entire repository. So it was like thousands of fucking upgrades. But I did an update this time, came back and it just sat there in Plymouth for ages and ages. So Heskey was like, what's going on here? And it had a start job of like two minutes. It was looking for that UUID which no longer existed because they had looked to drive. I was like, oh, I did this again. Just if you're going to do this, remove the entry from FSTab and you won't have problems. Also, I've been told that you really shouldn't use FSTab for external hard drives, but I do it all the time anyways. So Steve, go ahead. To add to what you just said, that's another add-on tip, bonus tip to what Matt just said. Never ever mount your other drives or external drives into your home directory. Just mount them into MNT. Never mount them into your home directory because if you mount them into, especially external drives, you mount them into your home directory, you eject the drive and you reboot, you're in for a hell of a lot of trouble because your system won't boot. Because it's not able to mount it into your home directory. So your home directory is unmountable by that extension. Also, it fucks around with your permissions when you mount it into your home directory because all of your stuff in your home directory belongs to you and you only. And most of the times when a system service is running, it has its own user or it mimics the way the user would work, but it's not you. So it doesn't have permission that you have. So I'm actually experiencing this right now on my home lab is that I mounted my radar in the home directory because jellyfin is perfectly fine. You use the jellyfin server flat pack you can go through and just give it permission through flat seal works fine. But I decided I was going to use Plex and Plex has the problem. It has its own user, it has its own group and those things don't have access to the home directory. Even if you give them permission specifically to the one directory, it has to have permissions all the way through the file path. And I'm struggling with that right now, which it's just mounted in M.M.T. or mounted in your root directory, whatever you want to do just don't mount it in home. Excellent tip there, Steve. Dennis, go ahead. This is only a problem if in some places, like right now I don't have that problem anymore, but if for some reason you're using Windows to access Samba servers, but you need more than 26 network drives, for some reason, like these Buffalo Nasses that I use that the best way to work with them is use more than 26 drives. But you're trying to access them from Windows, create a server with Linux that is another Samba server separate from your Nasses or whatever that's sharing the drives and basically mount behind the scenes all those drives on that one Samba server. At least you could with older software, I hope you can with newer. But, and then, and then share the directory you've mounted them in, reshare it with your Samba server and then you have one master drive for all your drives. Yep, because the drive letters on Windows. Also, ProTip, don't use Samba. There's my ProTip, don't use Samba, use NFS instead. It's much, much, much, much better. Or, I mean, if you don't mind a project that's not being maintained anymore, SSHFS is still really, really good. Again, not maintained anymore, but it still works great. Just, Samba is a pain in the rear end on Linux because it's a Windows protocol. That's the reason why it works better on Windows than it ever will on Linux because it was meant for Windows. It's not meant for Linux. So, I always have, there's one Samba tutorial online that works every time. It's the Ask Ubuntu tutorial for Samba. It works on any distro, but for whatever reason, you find any other tutorial, none of them work. Steve, go ahead. I wanted to agree with you on that one. That's why I'm following my own tip. I scripted, I turned every, that guide that I found on Ask Ubuntu into a script. And I included it, and I turned it into a, what you call it, install script in a package, a meta package that I created for Samba called Samba Support. And now whenever you install Samba, my Samba meta package, for example, is gonna install everything necessary for Samba. It's gonna start the services, create the directory in a share, the Samba shares directory, add you as a user to the group and then run that install script that I created following the Ask Ubuntu guide. And now it works flawless. I'm using Samba right now to share between my two Linux boxes because I'm constantly downloading on one machine, copying to another machine, and Samba just works that way. Just like Matt said, don't follow any other guide because none of them work. That's the only one that does. It's really weird. It's really strange. Arch, OpenSusa, Artex, you name it. Well, not Artex, sorry. Artex is not SystemD, but anything with SystemD works. Yeah, yeah, and it's very, it's not like it's like six or 12 pages long. It's just like a couple. A paragraph wrong. Yeah, it works really well. It's very surprising. Of course, Samba still has its own problems. But also the default configuration file for Samba is broken, has been broken for a long time. So if you want to use a regular configuration file, just go grab Arco's because Eric has it working fairly well. Why did you uncover my secret? That's the way you always do. When in doubt, you need a configuration file for something. Literally just go grab it from Arco because he has configuration files for everything. Like you name it when a manager, he has a configuration file for it, okay? Just go grab his. It's all on GitHub. And you don't have to put any work. And you don't, like, I love DT, he's a great guy, but all of his configuration files are written in org mode. So for us non-emacs losers, not very useful for us. So don't, also, here's a rant that's going to make a lot of Nix OS users happy. People who use Home Manager, they all do things a little bit differently. So grabbing their configuration files, not always the easiest for the rest of us who use real distros. Just gonna put that out there. You've been seeing this a lot on Unix porn because a lot of the Unix porn guys are using Nix OS these days and they all use Home Manager, which means their .files are all weird, just weird. Steve, go ahead. Another tip from a bag of tips. Like Matt said, if in doubt, go over to Arco's. You're gonna find a shit ton of configuration files. It's so much fun digging through his configuration files. And if in case you didn't know, maybe 45% of the configuration files I used on zero Linux for the entirety of its lifespan were modified versions of Arco. Just putting it out there. Some of mine are still modified versions of Arco. Like my i3 configuration file started off as an Arco config, it's way, way different now because I've sourced everything and put everything into smaller files and removed all the nonsense. My PolyBar configuration file started off as an Arco configuration file. I've removed obviously everything that I don't need and have created separate files now because I don't want every bar in the same config file. But yeah, that's exactly the way I've done it. D-Dubs, go ahead. I'm gonna get dropped by a Nix OS user right now. This is gonna happen. It's not dropped. I have just a clarification and a slight defense of Nix OS. Home Manager is simply a template and I think you know that. So how you use it is completely up to you. So yes, it is not like, oh, Home Manager does this. No, Home Manager is a framework. And I use it in many pure Nix OS users would like blackball me if they saw what I did because I don't do everything the Nix way. In other words, I don't declare everything Nix. Sometimes I just say, you know what? I have this really working, really good Tomo file for Starship and I have this really good config for this. I'm just gonna have it copy it. I'm not gonna actually declare it in the Nix language. So yes, absolutely. It's hard to transplant because you're taking how someone decided they wanna build their system and trying to make it work in your own. Unlike a traditional thought files where I config hyperland. I mean, you've seen even with hyperland, some people break it up, some people love. No, I want this one big massive hyperland config file. No, I want a bunch of small ones. So again, there's always a little bit of adjustment but yeah, I'm not gonna let a dig on Nix go, undefended, but it's not deserved. I knew it was going to trigger you when I said it, but I'm still absolutely right on this one. Just troll through Unix porn and find the NixOS users. They won't be hard to find. They'll all usually put NixOS right in the title. But every single one of them, well not every single one. The ones that use Home Manager all do it in a little bit different way, which is fine and it works great with NixOS. But if you're a non-NixOS user and you're looking to steal those configuration files, it's not necessarily always easy. Tyler's, for whatever reason, usually work pretty good because he has his all separated out fairly well. Other people don't do it that way, which is fine. There's no reason why, that's fine. It's just, I prefer them not to even share the dot files to begin with because I get my hopes up. I go, oh, I see this awesome rice that I want to steal for X-Mone Ad or for Hyperland or whatever. It's always Hyperland, by the way. I don't think I've ever seen a NixOS X-Mone Ad user. I don't think I've ever seen that. Now that I think about it, that's weird. I'm sure there's one out there somewhere. I'm gonna hear from someone. Very lonely. Yeah, I'm gonna hear from somebody. I don't think I've ever seen it. But anyways, you want to steal the Hyperland rice and you go to their dot files because they're very nice to share them and you realize that their configuration files not in the traditional format, it's been home-manager-y and it's not something that you can just, oh, there's the dot-comp file. Or I can steal it, which is fine. That's fine, but that's my biggest complaint with Nix is that it's kind of walled gardening, if we can call that. Once you're in and you do all your stuff the Nix way, it's really hard, or at least not really hard, but at least more effort than it should be to take your stuff and take it somewhere else. Especially if you're going to live, if you don't use home-manager, you're fine. It's gonna be great. You just abandon your Nix config, whatever. But if you use home-manager, you use flakes, all this stuff, it can lead you to doing things that way and learning that way and stuff and it just makes it hard to transfer between distros. It's not a big deal because most people aren't gonna transfer between distros. They're not just, most people aren't, you know, the huge distro hopper that I am or at least that I was, so. But what I will say about that is, again, it's a choice because you could use home-manager like I do on many of my configs to literally just copy that hyperlend.config, for example, or literally just copy whatever the config file is. So you could simply go and grab those. But the Nix way, this declarative way, if you accept that as this is how I wanna build my system, says that is, you know, not as efficient or not as desired, but Nix is a programming language. That's the one thing you just have to accept about it. Like we were talking earlier with DWM. You need a little bit of C knowledge to really get into and modify and make DWM your own. So there is, without a doubt, I will wholeheartedly say Nix OS is not for everybody. 1000%, I will never say, oh, Nix OS is the distribution. It should be way, everything is done, of course not. But if you like that kind of construction, if you like the benefits you get once it's built, then you're willing to put up with a little bit of the pain of love learning. Yeah, Steve, go ahead. You had your hand raised. Oh, yeah, sorry, I forgot. I'm so drunk, I forgot. Hey, I'm having Jack Daniels. But anyway, I have another tip. Okay. Do you want more? Yeah, bring it on. I'm here for another 10 minutes or so, go ahead. Okay, okay. When using Linux, this is a tip for everyone who is considering coming to Linux. Keep an open mind, keep an open mind, and I'm gonna tell you this, and some people are gonna fight me and they're gonna disagree with me. But when you come to Linux, you have to accept the fact that terminal is your friend. So a tip, when you encounter issues with an app that's not launching, that's not giving you any error message, run it from terminal. Because terminal is very blabbermouthy. It will show you every error in case of any and it's going to be very verbose and show you where the error lies. I'm gonna give you an example. Recently, for us NVIDIA users, and Matt will have a smile on his face or a smirk on his face because he's an AMD shell. Just kidding. But for us NVIDIA users, for the better part of 12 days, OBS was giving out an unknown error message if and when using NVENC and Goder. And any flatback that you use that requires NVENC like Caden Live, for example, because yes, I install it as a flatback because I'm a flatback person. I'm crazy like that. But hey, there's Matt. He beat me to it. He's more crazy than I am. But when you run anything that requires NVENC and Goder and you try to encode or record or go live or whatever, you would get this unknown error. We couldn't find the root of the issue until we ran it from terminal. And we got the exact error message which is never represented in GUI mode for whatever reason. It ended up being FFMPEG being the culprit. That's why FFMPEG received a major update on Plathub. So now everything works, but without terminal, we wouldn't have known. So accept the fact that even though you hate terminal, if you really hate terminal, don't use Linux. That's basically it. A little gatekeeper with your best friend. What? Just a little gatekeeper-y. You can, I agree with you that you probably should learn terminal, that you should learn. Yeah, I'm not saying not that I have to. You don't have to, but what I'm saying is terminal is your best friend when it comes to issues like that. Troubleshooting? I'm not saying you have to use terminal, but accept that it's your friend, your ally. Yeah, I don't disagree that it's a good tool. D-Devs, go ahead. Also, another really good thing to learn is some people don't like it. They realize this is system D. I would suspect that same error that you saw on the console was in the system D journals. Yeah, logs, yeah. Journals at DL, yeah. Look at the logs. If you're on OpenSUSA, Yast has access to all the logs. That's very true. I will give them that. I will absolutely concede that to you about OpenSUSA in Switzerland. Yep, Yast is the best. It's so good. You can concede that. It's the best. It doesn't look the best, but it's the best. From years and years and years, it should have been what other distros have included. I agree with you. I just wish that they paid more attention to it. The problem is OpenSUSA, I love OpenSUSA with all my heart. I'm never leaving this distro ever, but there are a couple of things that just really truly bugged me. First off, and both of them are the exact same problem, they don't put effort into the important things. They're always creating something new. So they always have a new distro spin. They have a new immutable project that they're working on, all this stuff. When Zipper doesn't have parallel downloads, they've been working on it since 2016 or something like that, it just doesn't exist. And they're not working on it. I've been told explicitly by the Zipper developers that it's no longer, well, I really have weird problems today. It's not something that they want to work on anymore for reasons, like because Zipper is not the future. So they're not working on it anymore. Another thing is, yes, yes hasn't had a significant update in 15 years. It still works exactly the same way that it did in 2004. It still works basically in the same way as it did when it was introduced in 1996. It hasn't had a significant update since now. They've added features and stuff into it, but the interface has basically remained the same. One of the reasons why Yast has so much guff against it is because it opens up everything in a new window. Like, God, that bugs the crap out of me. Like, I don't want to have to deal with 12 different windows every time I want to install something. Have you ever heard of some, don't you swallow? I mean, come on, it bugs the crap out of me. And the fact that they're not working on it bugs me. It feels like a lot of the things that have made OpenSUSA, OpenSUSA, are being left behind because they have something new and shiny to pay attention to. Steve, go ahead. My last tip, my last tip for today, I've given so many and they're not free anymore. You want to know more? Coponia. But my last tip is if you're a newcomer to Linux and you want to enjoy your time on Linux, Linux Mint Debian Edition. Most wonderful distro I've ever used in my whole entire existence for when I wanted stability. And when it comes to people asking me, oh, I want to get into this thing called Linux. I would like Linux Mint Debian Edition. I'll install it for you, enjoy yourself. You want Facebook, open the app store, click Facebook, install, done. Be happy, enjoy your time on Linux instead of having to murder animals after every update. But yeah, this is my last tip of this episode. So take it, enjoy it and be happy. Okay, we'll all be happy. War Thunder, go ahead. No, to play off that honestly, the way I've always done it is if you want a good place to start to try and figure out where you want to be as far as the way Linux and that works, if you've got, if you need drivers, basically if you've got NVIDIA, if you've got some weird Wi-Fi drivers or whatnot. PopOS. The Ubuntu edition of Linux Mint is much better at doing drivers than LMDE. But if you're Intel or AMD machine, you don't need any drivers or anything, LMDs. Maybe I would call it a little more advanced than Linux Mint, but it's a good place. To me, if you want something advanced, you're gonna go to the open SUSE tumbleweeds, you're gonna go to the Arch Linux, you're gonna go to the fedoras of the world anyway. If you're just wanting something simple to start out, like Steve said, Linux Mint, LMD, PopOS, those are very simple distros to get started with. Yep. Also, thank you for the win. And me, as an Arch user recommending LMDE, some people find it weird. They would think that the only distro I would recommend is Arch, because that's what I spend most of my time in. I'm like, no, I'm a realist. I'm not a guy that would recommend the thing that he uses to everyone. I just recommend the right thing. Sorry, Steve. But I do always recommend LMDE because I spent time in LMDE. I never, and as an NVIDIA user, never had an issue. They, okay, granted, they offer old versions of drivers. You will never get the bleeding edge, nor will you on any other WM base unless you add explicitly, go one step beyond and add the NVIDIA PPAs and you force it to install the latest drivers. But no normal beginner user will do that. They will just click on whatever's there and install. And the fact that those distros have a big community behind them, a good community, behind them a solid community and a lifetime of knowledge behind them, they shouldn't encounter any issues. So that's why I will always recommend either, as you said, worth under POPOS and MDE or Ubuntu itself. I apologize, I don't know who was first. So Drew, go ahead. No, I'm just gonna, I think LMDE is a really solid choice for beginning user, not to mention the fact, well, I will say this, Cinnamon, okay? Yeah. I don't necessarily, I mean, let's put it this way. I like, I put LMDE on our community laptop that sits in our, like in my kitchen that my wife and my son uses, you know, I am not gonna choose to use that. But to your point, I think it is more of a beginner type distro. I wish Cinnamon was better. But it is real, if you are transitioning away from like, let's say, let's say Windows or Mac, it's probably the easiest transition point. You know, it just is. I will say that I, this XFCE has not gotten the love I thought it would get on this particular, in this particular user group, Matt. I mean, I've got some XFCE systems running around. I've got one I used earlier that is the Linux Mint, but the XFCE version, and I think it's pretty good. I'm having a fight with XFCE at the moment, so I haven't been giving as much love as possible. So, but that's more of a. I've been watching, I have to say, I have been watching their, like, they have that one thing on their wiki that talks about their transitioning into Waylon, or to be able to use Waylon, and I'm like, fascinated by that, because I thought, I mean, they're clearly one of the last to adopt as far as major desktop environments. But I mean, to me, I think XFCE, as far as X sort, is the gold standard. I just, that's just my personal opinion. I know that I am probably in the minority in a big, big way, but. I mostly agree. All right, we got a lot of people here. I think Dennis, you were next. So when you are installing Linux with any fairly decent installer, or I'm sure you can do it if you do it from the command line as well, because that would be more advanced to do, but I prefer installers, but when you install it, you are able with Linux to split your drive, your file system up into multiple physical drives that would be that definition of drive. So physical drives for people who didn't know that. And that can be useful if you've, what I use it for recently is a tablet that had an SD card reader. But I wanted the tablet to function without plugging in a USB device so that it's still portable. So I split it between the internal storage and the SD card. The downside is if I take out the SD card, who knows what'll happen to the tablet in that case, but it was easier to reinstall than it was to, than it was to move the user directory over. But yeah, I thought people should know about that too, if they don't already. Some people here will already know about it, but I thought some people might not know about it too. Good tip, Bob. I just was gonna elaborate on the idea earlier that like, there's no XFCE support. I mean, that's literally a lot. I always have as my fallback DE when I need, like a DE for any reason. I'm always in DWM, but XFCE has always just been that solid. It never breaks, at least in ways that I use it. I wish I could say that, but I don't think I'm having an XFCE problem. I think I'm having a display manager problem. Cause whatever reason, I install XFCE through gas and I get the extra applications and it works fine, installation looks like it works fine. And then I go into, I reboot or whatever and go back out into SDDM and select XFCE session and it just kicks me right back out to the display manager. I tried it with GDM and I'm having the same problem. I'm 100,000% that it's going to be a display manager problem. Probably having to do with something with defaulting to having too much Wayland taint on it or something. I don't know. Possibly. There's something weird going on there. I haven't had the interest in actually solving it and looking into the logs. Eventually I will, but XFCE is- I know that. Just to give it a test, make sure there's an XFCE problem. Just jump back into a TTY and just do a start X on XFCE. Yeah, I just haven't been interested enough to fix to figure out what's going on there. But eventually I will. Steve, go ahead. I'm sorry, making you wait. Go ahead. No, it's okay. I just wanted to add to Drew's that there, Drew's thing that where XFCE doesn't receive love. Zero Linux had an XFCE and I enjoyed customizing XFCE more than I did Gnome. And I would know so much about XFCE that I consider it as my secondary, second best favorite desktop environment. I even use app menu, the app menu. And I put, of course, I mimic my KDE setup on everything. So I like to have my app menu at the top and the bar at the top. People were surprised that XFCE even had that capability. So I was like, no, it's easy. Just you have to know which packages to install. And there you go. It's right there. So XFCE is, yeah, it's so easy to customize and it's so freakin' stable. And I agree with Drew. I hope one day we get the Linux Mint XFCE as the main, not as a secondary whatever. Never gonna happen. That's never gonna happen. I know, because I know Clem. Cinnamon is their baby. Cinnamon is their baby. And Clem, I have talked to Clem on occasions. We speak French because, yeah, he's French. And I'm French educated. So, but Clem is not with the idea. He was like, the sentence he mentioned was, drop the subject please. It's not up for debate. So, but XFCE is awesome. And Matt, you told me that multiple on multiple occasions. Yeah, I'm sure. You used to love customizing it. I still do. If I could get to run, I'd probably be using it right now because I'm having a problem finding something that I enjoy using. Didn't enjoy Plasma because it's Plasma. I didn't enjoy GNOME because it's GNOME. I can't, I'm in my next monad right now, but I don't like Haskell. Hyperland, they introduce three bugs every week that are show-stopping like the latest one is OPS just crashing the entire system for no reason. They're taking you right back out to the STDM. And when you, this time, like normally when you get into the Hyperland issues and you make an issue or you comment on an issue or whatever, it's usually pretty good. Like they'll go find it and they'll go fix it. This time, several people were having the same problem. All those people had NVIDIA cards. So they said it was an NVIDIA problem. I do not have an NVIDIA card who's having the exact same problem. But when I said something, well you must have an NVIDIA problem. I don't have an NVIDIA card. So I gave up on that. Anyways, Bob, go ahead. Well, that's your problem though, no NVIDIA card. Yeah, I should just go get an NVIDIA card. That's what it should be doing, yeah. Bob. Yeah. And I was just gonna elaborate. I was just gonna basically add a little short jab on Steve's point because I mean, does any sane person really enjoy customizing GNOME? Do they really? No. No. Exactly. Extensions break. I ran GNOME back when I first started and I remember it being such an adventure or just plug in for this, plug in for that, plug in for this, like what the fuck? Yeah, it's not, when I used to customize, when I first released the XeroLinux GNOME edition with MyRice, guess what? One of the GNOME, not developers, but contributors, this is the better term, contributors. He had only three followers, but he was nonetheless a contributor to upstream GNOME. He attacked me and he immediately linked me to Don't theme our apps website or something like that. He was like, see, send this is, you shouldn't encourage people to theme GNOME. I'm like, oh, thank you. Thank you for letting me know that I should drop GNOME. XFC is great and I love the bar. It has the best bar of any. Barn on. Hands down. Yeah, it's just, it's so good. And if you wanna get really technical in it, you go in there and do some CSS work. If you know some CSS, it just, it works so good. Every little applet that you add can be customized with CSS, which means that you can make it look exactly the way that you want it to work if you want to do that kind of work. Or if you don't want to, you don't have to. The only annoying thing about the bar is centering it is a bitch. Yes, you have to do that manually. And it works if you're doing, it works if you're just doing it for you. If you're just doing it for you and you're using it for your screen resolution. So if you were doing that for a distro like you were trying to do, that's pain in the ass. Drew, go ahead. Now, I was gonna say that the one problem that I have with XFCE, and it might be just me, a me problem, is that it doesn't work very well on higher resolution monitors, as far as scaling is concerned. The other thing I was gonna say was a positive for XFCE is I don't, I think if you want to make that transition into a more keyboard centric, shortcut type or key binding type of just, sorry, desktop environment, XFCE is fantastic for that. You know, that's how I learned as far as being able to transition from a purely desktop environment to a window manager. XFCE provided me that kind of like muscle memory assistance. My issue with the key binding thing on XFCE is that they have it bifurcated into two different places. So they have the one for applications and then they have the one for the window manager and it's two different places. That bugs me, but I got used to it. And it's not the only thing they do for that. They have a whole bunch of stuff that is just kind of in weird places. But once you start using it, it's fine. This XFCE was where I learned XML, XAML. Where I learned XML was from a virtual box because if you want to do anything in virtual box and you don't want to mess around with their stupid limited options, you have to get into XML. All right, that's gonna, you guys are free to continue on and have a good time here. The room will remain open always. This link shouldn't ever change actually so you can carry on without me if you want to, but I got to get up out of this chair. So thanks everybody for coming. It was a fantastic discussion as always. I will do a similar poll for the next one. The next one will happen. All right, Matt, where's Discord? There we go. The next one is on... 25th? The next one is on, yeah, the 25th. That's it, yeah. April 25th, 8.15 p.m. Eastern time. Looks like, yeah. For whatever reason, Discord ended the event on us. We're not still here. You didn't know that. Okay, thank you Discord for being a piece of crap as always. But anyways, April 25th, 8.15 p.m. I'll do a poll a week beforehand just like I did this time for the next topic. Some of them will be retreads of the ones that lost here, the ones that did poorly I won't reuse. If you have ideas to go on the poll, either ping me or DM me or email me or whatever and we'll add them on there. There's no limit in Strupphole as to how many options I can add. So we'll just add them all if you have options. So we should talk about the Hyperland Vaxree mess or whatever else it is. I'm gonna stay as far away from that. You guys are so smart. As possible. Just of no interest in getting Delvin... Brody's very brave, but I think he was right that he had, because he's been such a Hyperland Waylon fang boy, that he had to make a video on it. He's having Vaxree on his show. And I think he did a very nice job covering it without feeling too biased. He didn't take any personal opinion whatsoever. He just said people agree on it. Yeah, he did a good job as it was possible to have and that comment section is still fucking toxic because fuck, welcome to the Linux community where we just decided to just eat each other, you know? It's so stupid. Watch my video tomorrow and you'll understand what I'm talking about. Yeah. Anyways, that's it for me. But anyways, everybody who tuned in live, thank you guys so much. So very, very much for tuning in live. We did a fairly good job of not getting too demonetized. So that's good. You demonetized yourself. I did. But anyways, thanks everybody for watching. Steve was a good boy. Thank you. We do do this twice per month. So if you wanna join us, join the Discord. That's where the link will always live or I'll try to share it during the log, which I always do. So you can join us live if you want to. And yeah, that's it. So thanks everybody for watching. We'll see you next time. We'll see you on May 9th. See ya. Have a good day.