 Hi everyone, welcome back. We're here at DEF CON 30 and we've got tiny mic interviews. Today we have Max Bauer from TOOL and we are currently at the lockpicking village. So you were telling me beforehand you've been doing this for a really long time. How long have you been coming to DEF CON? It's been about 10 years coming to DEF CON and volunteering in the lockpick village. I feel like the lockpicking village is one of the most hands-on villages here because you're really getting into everything. I see that you have some demos that you have here. I would love for you to walk us through what's going on. Yeah, so this is one of the training models that we use sometimes and it just shows the basics of the inside of a lock, how you've got kind of the shell on the outside, the plug on the inside and then a pin stack made up of three different parts and you kind of have multiple of those and trying to figure out how you can manipulate those individually is how you learn to pick a lock and if you want to know more, you should definitely come down to the lockpick village. What we do is we have stuff all over the tables, training locks specifically designed to make it easier to learn and lockpicks for people to use and people at the table wearing these shirts to be able to walk you through learning how to pick your first lock and to get that itch of like, oh man, wait, I can open these things without the key? There's another way to do this? So yeah, that's really what we're all about and we're trying to like bring that fun to everyone and we got stuff you can purchase to take home as well to support the organization and help bring volunteers here to do this again next year. That's awesome. I remember my first Def Con, the lockpicking village was like the most memorable because it was so hands-on and so fun and it just felt so much more approachable and I'm super glad. It's definitely one of the reasons I came back. My bag I actually have this clear lock on it because I thought it was so cool and I buy, I'm just like super excited to be able to play with it here. So if you had one person walking into the room and they're like, I have time to do one practical exercise, what is the one exercise you recommend them doing here? Just learn to pick the basic one or the basic two padlock to get a feeling for it is what I would say. And I'm super curious, so like how long have you been picking locks? What got you excited about doing it? I really doing it was about like 10 or 12 years ago but it was just like a thing since I was going up that like the stuff around us wasn't quite what we thought it did. So like you had those locks and they came with a little key to unlock them and it was like a privacy lock and I was like, wait a minute that's just a flathead screwdriver. I can open that with a flathead screwdriver. I'm like, okay. So like what else is something where we think of it as doing more for us than it actually does and that kind of like psychological thing of like, oh culturally or societally we think of like it's locked so we're not going to mess with it. You know, but it really isn't as hard to open as maybe we're predisposed to think. That's awesome. And do you have any like last words where people are coming to DEF CON for the first time? What's your like knowledge, your 10 years of knowledge? What do you want to tell them? Don't try to do everything at once. Try to enjoy like getting some of the hands-on stuff rather than just picking out talks and know that you can come back next year. And where can people find you online if they want to see more about what you're working on? So tool.us is the website for tool and that's got our educational mission, our instructional slides as well as you can purchase lock picks and learning locks as well. That's awesome. Thank you so much. Say bye. Yep. Thank you so much. Bye guys.