 Podcasters round table round 98 kids and podcasting we have actual kids on the kids and podcasting round I'm so excited about that. It has to be a first. I'm pretty sure we haven't had like sub 21 I guess is it 18? What are we defining as kids and podcasting because I know kitty works with much younger kids So we'll actually get into that, but you know 18 and younger we got him Daniel J. Lewis. Welcome back Thank you. My first podcast was a podcast that to this day still has a very predominantly young audience the ramen noodle Wow kids listen to that. Well, it is clean. Yeah, but you just they like your humor, huh? Apparently not sure what that says about me Maybe they're just really intelligent children. That's what it is. Yeah, we'll give them that tonight Dave Jackson welcome back. Yeah, Dave Jackson from the school of podcasting calm My goal has always been to be young at heart until I'm too old to change. So we'll see if that worked or not You fit in Dave. We're good here. It's it's family Give Dave a big hug All right our first Kid I feel we're saying kid that feels oh my that feels too young, but isabel welcome to the round table Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, I don't know if kid quite counts I'm 17 and I run up my dad helped me run a podcast called Isabel's bookcase and I talk about books and Hopefully other kids listen. Cool. Well, if you don't but don't say kid I think you're definitely the youngest and I think we have to get younger. Yeah, so far you're about to be You're out to be Isabel, what's your podcast? It's called Isabel's bookcase Very cool. So a kid with a podcast that is I think this is actually a lot. I think it's actually a lot less rare Then I would agree with that I keep I keep coming across people and they're using, you know, soundcloud and stuff just to put on their own stuff out there Because everybody can make videos with phones now. So it's gonna it's gonna come more and more popular You see the kids they like that soundcloud Not for long. Yeah, well see she's on it not for long. She knows for me. I hear it. Yeah, kitty your first round table welcome Thank you. Thanks for asking me. Yeah, I do a show called the book club for kids I talked to middle grade kids about books and uh, you know, I know we have one more younger guest coming up but I'm part of a group of podcasts for kids And some of them are also By kids and I think the youngest podcaster that I know is a kid named Nate who does a show about science He's six You know, it's I guess we'll get into this but it seems like a lot of the kids shows from what I'm hearing are Science-based which is pretty interesting. I wonder why maybe you can tell us why that is but we'll go there We'll go there for sure and this is kind of this round is inspired by kitty She went to podcasters round table comm slash guests She submitted and she wrote in there about Her podcast and the network and and kids and podcasting wanted to talk about that So that's what we're doing. So so much fun. And you know what? I had no idea how popular this was going to be I mean fairly full round table. It could have been more full There was a couple extra invites out But people email me and say hey, you know my kid podcast or someone else podcast about kids This is popular and we didn't know so that's what's so fun about the round table We surface these things Dave Daniel and I get out of our tech bubble and we find other great niches in podcasting, but uh Let's see. Yeah, but you see I listen in to learn all the tech stuff. So thank you guys for your expertise All right. Thanks. All right all the love. So wait, is it marty? Yeah, marty marty. Welcome to the podcast now the youngest Round table or ever now the youngest I guess yeah, i'm 15 My podcast is a phasing line podcast phasinglinepodcast.com. It's all about my favorite hobby, which is a ham radio And uh, it's great to be here My show isn't directed at kids per se um, but it's certainly clean. I mean, uh It's it's right. It's somewhat technical in nature, but it goes all over the place. So um Yeah, I'm not I'm not I'm not certain. I'm certainly not directing my content to you know, just for kids to listen to But it's kind of for all ages. Right. Well here we have another kid quote-unquote. We have a young adult who uh, podcast, so it's perfect and Bringing up the rear. He's been here before though. Patrick. Welcome back I've not been there before what this is my first. So you see this is how the internet works We've talked enough times where I thought you'd been on the show That's and I've been on your list forever, dude. So I was glad you let me um, but in Today you did so patrick did what you need to do when you see an email go out if you're on the list And the topic fits you email me. I would say like Everyone but kitty who I this topic Spends off from Everyone else email me. So you have to let me know that this is in In the zone for you. So thanks patrick Welcome, um, I have a podcast called the big seance podcast But really why I wanted to check in here was because I'm also a middle school teacher and I teach a course called music production and technology we call it mpt And one of the units that I focus really heavily on is a podcasting unit And that's probably it's no secret to my kids that that's the thing I get the most excited about and so we um about 10 times a year I get to lead kids through a two and a half Three week podcasting unit and it's the we just finished the second year that we've done it So, um, I'm still looking to improve looking for ways to make it exciting. And so really that's why I'm here Yeah, I you know, you sent a cool video that was like a profile done on you and your class And it was cool to see the kids doing creating podcasts learning about them But I'm curious or it'll be fun to see this evolution of Classes where kids are learning how to podcast. Let me start there like isabel I know your dad has a podcast and he's a friend of the round table for sure How did you start? Why did you start a podcast? How old were you when you started and why did you start? I think I was probably around 14. Um, and for me it was less I should do a podcast than more of my dad had been wanting me to do book reviews for like years I read a lot and he knows that and he's like you should you know tell people or write it down And he just wanted me to write my record of it. Um, but then finally he's like hey I I thought it would take time away from the reading So, um, it it was like I could be reading or I could be writing about the book I just read let's keep moving forward But finally he wore me down and then I saw he had this company I'm like hey podcasting that sounds cool and I don't have to write anything, you know So it was a little a little more hip. I guess and that's how I got to do it Cool. Well, it seems like once you started you liked it because you've been here for years. So Yeah, I mean for me, uh, it's a little on and off. I tend to get very busy when school comes around So we usually have summer seasons. Um, so the school it's a little a little more like crickets But um, I love doing it and I try to do it whenever I have the whenever at the time That's good focus on school because you know, there's tons of money to be made here in podcasting Oh, yeah, I can tell my dad's just Awesome. Hey, Marty, how about you you're 15? When did you start? So I I launched the phasing line in December of 2016 so almost a year ago, but I've kind of been in the ham radio media kind of Sighted That in the group of people that's been involved with this sort of thing Um, I was on I've kind of been on and off a couple shows for a while And then I kind of became more of a a co-host of one show and then that kind of didn't work out and we parted ways and then um I came on some other people's shows and I did some interviews here and there But then eventually I knew I just wanted to get my message yet there by myself Without any people to have to run my ideas by without a product without a producer without you know station manager without any of that and You know, I love what I do And I could just put my message out there without anybody stopping me without it What anybody telling you what I can and can't say so I have a good question for you because you said that your podcast your Your young adult who podcasts But your podcast does not focus at kids. It's ham radio. So it's anyone who has an interest in ham radio Right. Did you feel like coming in? You know, is anyone going to listen to you know, quote unquote a kid Right where you've got all these adults because it's it's not an unpopular niche. There's several podcasts about that How do you feel is being really young coming into something where there's already an established base? I mean, it's a it's a it's not a huge niche You know, there's I believe 600,000 hams in the us and out of how many of them are actually going to listen to a podcast And there's already the market is fairly saturated already Um, but I think I offer a couple a different angle because I haven't been doing it for that long And I also think that I'm fairly knowledgeable and I'm fairly technical and I Often I think ask the questions a lot of people don't want to ask or I typically have lots of, you know Engaging technical conversation or I explain something that somebody else doesn't want to explain And I think my show is different enough in that niche that it works Um, because I don't just do interviews and I don't just do I don't do radio reviews That's something that a lot of the other content creators do And I think because I'm unique Um, and I also had I think kind of answering your question I had some to some extent sort of a fan base. So some a number of followers um when I started my show and That's actually kind of one of the one of the reasons I did it lots of people said we want to hear what you have to say We want to hear what your message is and Kind of followers from ham radio. Yeah So they were hearing your message, but they wanted in a podcast format. What's the difference? They wanted it instead of being on other people's shows instead of kind of coasting here or there Or kind of being on somebody else's schedule per se. I could do what I wanted to do And that sounded really appealing um, but It just kind of turned into uh, the show it is now and it's I wasn't really sure what it was going to be when it started I don't think um, but now it's kind of just turned into everything I like to talk about I talk about Um, and you know, there's some shows that I think some listeners don't listen to Another group listens to and that's okay. Sure. So I'm gonna have fun That's you have to have fun or you just you guys you guys stuck around so you clearly are having fun patrick Does this sound familiar to you now? You're introducing podcasting to kids. How many of them actually take it up after the class You know, I've had a few most of my students relate it And I didn't expect this too because I don't have I'm not a parent of my own kids But I didn't realize how many of them had their own youtube pages. Yeah, and so A lot of my kids It's almost like they take everything they learned in the podcast unit and they're like cool. Mr. Keller I'm totally going to use this for my youtube Show or you know that intro I made for you. I'm putting it on my youtube show and I'm like cool I I'm as much a youtuber as a podcast. I love youtube. That's good. You know, but I'm also glad on youtube Yeah, I'm also excited that we have these two young people here that are so confident And well spoken because they are that is one of the biggest struggles that I have If every one of us thinks back to when we were an adolescent um Having the confidence first of all to just record your voice is like major And when someone just says, oh You can talk about anything you want to talk about and then they some of them some of them completely freeze up You know, and so it's a process to kind of work Up what they're going to talk about. I'm like, dude, you could talk about pizza You can talk about you know school. You can talk about middle school drama. You can talk about anything So getting them to that sometimes takes days. I'm like, dude, you need to be recording How many podcasters are you creating? You're not how many humans but you're creating one so far. Yeah, me too, but actually that's not that's not actually true You created a human which Patrick didn't create but he's creating podcasts. We don't know My kid's probably going to do nothing to do it But she's like she likes the microphone now, but I can imagine later. I don't know isabel You know, I mean you got talked into it. So It was it was a process Exactly. It's a lot of media Daniel. You'll get that Well, marty, here's a question I have for you because you started your podcast last year and Isabel when did you start your podcast? 2014 right isabel three years ago. Okay. So both of you started when You were in like mid or early teens. So I'm wondering from what Patrick said Do you feel like podcasting has given you more confidence? outside of your life or I mean other aspects of your life in school with friends and such You want to go first? I'll go first Well, I I don't know it was interesting because I started podcasting, you know Around the time high school started, I guess for me and with high school I also started realizing I really like public speaking and that was like my mom hated it And I was never supposed to like it and then I found I loved it. So I think it's sort of I don't know if it Well, here I am But I think podcasting sort of for me coincided with this realization that wait a minute I'm not a middle school anymore, which I hated and I can do these things I enjoy and I can get up in front of an audience and sort of express my opinions. So, um Did it give me more confidence? I don't know, but it certainly it certainly let me know that I can sort of Do whatever I want and put myself out there. So Oh marty You know, I'm I was kind of already a public speaker before I didn't really have Fright of talking to a microphone, but I think it certainly made me I think the one thing it kind of taught me if there's one that I'd take away It's the fact that there's so many people out there who are willing to listen to whatever you have to say Nobody's going to judge you on whatever you have to say And you know, I think like when you're in middle school You're always like am I saying the right thing? Do I you know, am I going to fit in and I think podcasting is a way to kind of express yourself almost Because you can put whatever side of you you want to put out there And you know generally the hate, you know, especially for me Maybe if you have like a chat room, it's a little bit different But the the haters typically don't come back and tell me how terrible I am So that feels good, you know Nice, so that's good. That's good news. So kitty your Your podcast your network you focus towards a younger crowd So I can imagine your target audience is kind of parents who are then going to introduce it to kids Right. Yeah, you know, of course I picked the easiest thing possible since most podcast consumers are between what 21 and 30 5 and I'm going for middle school kids who When I first started I had to explain what a podcast was And then I had to teach their parents how to download it because they weren't They were too old to be that generation. So it's like, okay, great. That was pretty stupid I catered to middle school. I love middle school kids. Patrick. I absolutely love them I found that I had one gift in life and that was the people talk to me And it's why I became a reporter and a talk show host But I really like talking to kids Middle school kids about books because I can remember being that age When if only an adult would treat me like I had a brain in my head, I would tell them anything And I treat these kids like they have a brain in their head and they do they tell me everything imaginable And so my show we start with a book I talked to three kids We start with a book and then just like every adult Book club except we don't have alcohol but they take a left turn and we follow wherever that left turn goes And that's where the conversation goes So we have an I just add can I add one thing to that do it You know, I think what you just said, you know Treat a kid like an adult and the lack like one and that's kind of my philosophy. I how I do this I don't care myself like I'm four I'm fairly serious and my goof off occasionally, but I think you know, I can I can talk like I know what I'm talking about I'm people to clear respect that And I think I think certainly in the in in media If you know what you're talking about and you sound like you know what you're talking about people are willing to accept that And age isn't normally a number for me I typically encounter this at least if I'm saying things that make sense to people and it's registering their head in their head is That's logical. I see no reason why they shouldn't be listening to me For sure. I you guys of you everyone here listens to podcast. Do you guys listen to anyone who's much younger? I listen to a kid named Rohan who has zombies heroes podcast What is that? I love it. I and I try to to get my kids to listen to it as well. He reviews Super hero and zombie and related films Nice. He's also very well spoken just like these young people Let me give you just sort of a taste of what's out there because there's really been an explosion in the last couple of years A podcast designed for younger listeners and as you said a lot of these are science podcasts like tumble science and brains on Even npr jumped into it with one called wow in the world, which is about scientific discoveries There's podcasts out there about ethics. There's a lot of music podcasts. There's Bedtime story podcast. So there there's a lot of stuff that's designed for very very young kids Some in the middle Some high school. There's some Adventure podcast, you know the alien adventures of fin caspy and was just picked up. They just got a tv deal the radio Adventures of ellen or amplified You know, I could go on and on I I was recruited to be part of a the board for this group of kidcasters as we call ourselves the groups called kids listen And in fact, we're going to be launching an ios app In august so parents would like to find appropriate material for kids Can go to the app and just have a whole selection, but you know, all of our stuff is available out there wherever you get podcasts and It's just amazing to me how much it's growing and you know We even did a survey of our listeners to try to find out how different is our audience than adult podcast consumers And there's a lot of differences For example 80% of kids listen more than once to an episode and I can't say that about Like I don't listen to episodes more than months. I listen once and that's it And some kids 20% listen 10 times to the same episode. So if you want to talk about Listener loyalty, you couldn't ask for a better audience Yeah, that's what I hear because you know, you if you have a kid You're going to watch that disney movie Until you know every single line And I'm hearing this happens with podcasts too where kids want to hear the same podcast And I recently heard an episode where they actually just On the pub they talked about this and they they said well, why is it you just make one podcast a year? And you'll be fine, but it's the parents who need new episodes, right? Like I need new episodes, but so I'm curious So I'm also curious I was thinking about isabel and marty when you guys started Well, is about your your parent urged you into it or had you gonna marty were your parents concerned About you getting out there and being public, you know, were there any of those thoughts? You just old enough at that point. I think it wasn't my podcast that I think Um Scared my parents first. I think the first thing was that um, I'm fairly public on social media I love this the first thing that scared his parents Uh, oh well, I think the first thing that scared them was probably drilling holes in the side of the house for ham radio Telling them nice that was the first thing But if we're talking about this, you know, I have a fairly big for ham radio I guess I mean I connect with a lot of people on facebook and whatnot and do facebook lives there occasionally Stuff like that And when they could google my name And see my stuff on the internet, I think that freaked me out I freaked them out, excuse me, but after um, you know, I've been to a fair number of International radio connect conventions and after they they kind of met the people and realized that they're not all seven year olds Living in their in their basement and uh, there's a lot of you know, nice people And they felt that they could you know, trust the world when I started a podcast they weren't Terribly afraid um I think I think they're totally okay with it now Um, I don't think they liked how much money I spend on it because I'm certainly not making money Um, but that's okay because it's not I'm making where is the money going? Uh, you you like your gear I I like I like my gear um But I've acquired it over time somewhat cheaply. I don't have that much money in gear um paying libs in every month adds up You pay that or your parents pay that I pay that my parents don't pay Nice So, um, I have a truly owns his own podcast. I have a patreon which Occasionally does something but I probably don't I don't produce enough content and I don't hit it hard enough Um to rely on that but that's okay because I know I'm doing this for fun Yeah, so money. Are you you know? Do you have a paper route or where you get the money to pay for a lift? I do tech stuff. I Install VoIP systems and you know That's the that's the new mowing your lawn, Dave. That's it. Do you set up computers for the neighbors? Damn, can you be over here in 20 minutes? Uh, you know, that's nice It's a tech stand not a lemonade stand isabel Isabel, um Are there any limits on you and being public your parents for me? Well for I had a little bit of a different experience than marty I think because I am not a huge social media person My dad had also convinced me to get an instagram and stuff like that And I remember in middle school. Um, my friends wanted me to join like their youtube channel You're just talking about youtube and my mom was very against that so she didn't really want my face anywhere So I think part of the allure with podcasting for her at least because my dad was behind it was This is not going to get her face out there, you know, because nobody's going to be seeing her Um, because she was concerned about that. So for me Not that many limits, you know, half the time the podcast is in the basement of our house, you know, I mentioned them, um They but again, I mean my dad runs all this stuff. It's through his website podcast village He pushes the social media. There's a separate account for the podcast. So I don't know. I think as if that's out there. I'm not freaked out about it I don't think I have enough followers on any account. Um to be stalked or anything I'd say I get the most interest from teachers at school who want to know about it. So that's kind of weird But it's good. Well, that was going to be my question What do your friends say like is there any street cred in saying I'm a podcaster or do they Sporn you or so much? Well, I run I run with a lot of the the film There's a film class at my school and I run with a lot of that crowd and they think it's very cool One of my friends is like really into it and I've tried to get her to my dad's studio a couple times So they they like it. Um, and the teachers are always behind it because especially the English teachers They're like, oh you talk about books and that means you read outside of English class But I I don't know. I don't advertise it a whole lot So, you know, if I tell my friends, they think it's pretty cool But it's also because not a whole lot of other kids have a podcast thing there's youtube There's vine, you know stuff like that but we'll find not anymore, but you know, so it's it's different Okay, Patrick, do you see a barrier the kids think it's nerdy or is it like easier because it's required in their class? Or do you see any of that? Uh, I was surprised and again, I come at this as a middle school teacher who Learns what's coming up by my students because I don't have my own kids And so I expected a lot of things like I expected them to teach me about a lot of the technology Which didn't happen as much as I thought especially in an iMac lab and I also expected that they knew about podcasts and a lot of them especially two years ago did not and so Just like kitty was saying I had to we had to go through. I mean we always every time I start the unit We have to what is a podcast and the first thing I had to do is for about two days I we open up iTunes We talk I give them, you know Ways they need to make some wise choices because you know, it's all open to them on iTunes And I give them some suggestions and we just listen to some And I had to get them to quit saying oh mr. Keller. I'm watching a podcast. That's what they say About five times a day. I'm watching a podcast and I'm like, oh really? Where's the picture? Because I think you're listening to a podcast but uh the other thing that um I often don't know I struggled when I started this because I'm like, well, what's appropriate for kids to talk about Is you know, how how brave am I being by suggesting kids? Put themselves out there and share with the world. So we talk about appropriate things to put in your podcast what not to say for your safety Um, what should you not say for your? um I don't know your your future if you want a job or a great do you do you All these podcasts go to do they get submitted to podcast directories or where they go? No, we um I to me that makes my head explode. I would love to go down the route of having a feed for Various podcasts that I maybe get parental permission to put up on the feed could also be parents parents It's probably a liability for you to just post their kids Right So I'd have to have some kind of permission thing and then we could always integrate like school podcasts and stuff Uh into that too, but right now they host their files on google drive Which I know is like a way big no no in the real podcasting world But in my class, it's perfect because they can in google drive They can really be specific about the security and who they share it with and Who's allowed to see it and so they They can open it up to share with just staff members just teachers They can share it we use google classroom as well So they share it with the the class and get feedback that way Or they can you know change the security settings if they feel safe enough they can throw it up on facebook You're gonna let everybody see it, you know, I I generally throw up when I go to facebook That's that's what I I just said I generally throw up when I go to facebook Well the kids don't I don't think so good security is really facebook Go ahead kitty But security well, I was gonna say that when you're dealing with kids really privacy is a major concern and permissions are a major concern And we of course get permission slips from parents before kids go on the show and we only use first names We usually take pictures of the kids with them peeking over the top of a book just to kind of protect their face That's a good idea Yeah, so it's just you can find all kinds of ways to get around it But again, it's just trying to keep those kids safe and it is it's it's a concern that parents have and I completely understand it You know, I've probably been really bad about you know any of that But at the same time you search my ham radio call sign. There's a database with my address public on the internet Yeah, um, and I you know, I've come I've I've I've never been too worried about it I probably should be more um, but you know, I'm living my life and I haven't died yet. So that's kind of My attitude and you're well, and you're not a girl quite frankly, you know There is a difference. I mean, I would imagine But you know, I don't do stupid things You know, I don't I don't say where I live in my show But anybody who knows how to use google probably could find out but that's that's okay um Because I I try not to I try and be as open as I can with my audience because I think that makes it makes me be able to connect With them more and it makes them feel like they're having a real looks, you know A genuine conversation with me and I think that probably enhances the show But I certainly understand, you know parents who are uncomfortable with that And I think I'm pretty lucky that my parents are comfortable with that. Yeah Daniel Dave anything any questions? Well, one of the things I'm thinking of with this privacy concern is With with our own baby and privacy I think is more of a concern If you f have ever been controversial and it seems that and I'm gonna get a little political here But it seems that if you lean conservative, you're in more of a risk than if you lean liberal As far as threats go because I've received certainly I've gotten I've gotten things in the mail that I've been concerned about um literally and and you know, you probably have to and That's scary marty Yeah, that's too far man. I people don't send me mail. That's that's too much. I get retweeted. That's about I think the thing actually what bothers me more are when people Um, you know, I think I think uh, he's been on the show before gary of ham radio now Um, he's been on the show and his odd. I've been on his show probably a dozen or two dozen times Occasionally somebody's like ditched the kid or they say, you know, and then they they ramble on it's an easy way to get ditched themselves I know that's what I'm going to gary typically steps in and says something I I take more offense to you know, the the meaningless I don't like him because he's a kid and don't give any substance behind it You have an issue with me. Tell me why you don't like me He's even maybe that'll actually make my show better If you just have an issue with me being a kid that I really just don't want to engage with you or have a conversation Because you're not willing to have one Well, that's certainly you don't want anybody to have an issue with you being a kid and I I don't experience that but what I do like about my show is it's from a kid's perspective You know, I'm reading oftentimes very Informative deep books and then but I have a kid and how why am I reading this and what would you know? Could it's a 16 year old girl to read this book and I think for me at least nobody's insulting me Obviously, that's very different but for me being a kid. It gives me a different perspective one that adults are gonna You know pay attention to Have either of you had a one star review yet I don't think so. Have you Dave? Of course That you take that in stride. That's part of it. Not everybody's gonna love you and that's okay There you go You can't make everybody happy and if all you're concerned about is making everybody happy you're you're not gonna make good content Look at this Dave ray. I think we're we've got some competition. You know, let's say 15 going on 50 I mean, I've always said make I make the content that I want to make and if you want to listen to it That's great. You don't want to listen to it I mean it seems to be what other shows you can listen to it's a chicken and egg What comes first the smart kid or the podcast it's sounding like the smart kids are coming to podcasting at least a host I mean, I'm curious about listening. So I my daughter is five now and I Try to podcast and she she liked it. It's probably I would have to keep at it I mean, obviously you're competing with things like iPads and stuff or just video um So I am looking to get her more into podcasts, but you know kitty What's the you have parents probably pass it on but How do you get parents to have their kids listen to podcasts? What's the I don't say sales job But what's the you know, what's the pitch there? Well, it's teachers parents and librarians or who really I mark it to and it's a lot of face-to-face stuff I go to library conferences and book festivals, you know the kinds of places That people who love books where they hang out and quite frankly I come from 30 years of public radio background And a lot of the parents who are public radio listeners those children unfortunately have been Um brainwashed into listening to news in such this you're smiling isabel. I can see you're one of those kids indoctrinated into public radio So those are those are the easiest kids to convert but um, you know, I have found Reluctant readers are my favorite kids kids who are not like isabel. Um, who are just would Inhale a book when you pick it up someone who you'd have to actually persuade And that's kind of what we try to do and that's maybe one of the selling points is trying to get parents who would love their Kids to be reading more the parents who are aspirational about the kind of child They'd like to have not the one they ended up with so sometimes podcasts are a sneaky way of Indoctrinating children into something you'd like them to enjoy and quite frankly the way the show started was I was at a I had a talk show in los angeles for almost a decade And we would go to the la times festival books people would come up to you and say Oh, I love your show and they'd be dragging this kid with them and the kid would say yeah I listened to your show too and I go why would you listen to the show? There's nothing for you on it It's all politics and world affairs and they go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I know there's nothing on it for me And I thought well, what would you be interested in and because we were at a book festival? They said books and so that's why we did book club for kids But in los angeles what happens is a lot of kids are stuck in carpools And they're stuck in their mom's carpools And those are the kids that got stuck with public radio and quite frankly Those are the kids who are now getting stuck with podcasts and hopefully they fall in love with them and start requesting them And you know again just from our survey results the kids love to listen to it over and over and over again It seems that it's hitting the right audience. That's why I'm so familiar with wilson phillips Yes being stuck in my mom's car Sure, that's the reason patrick. We believe you I live in one part of boston and I go to school in a different part of I live in the suburbs and I go to school in one part of the city And you have to take the train all the way into the city and then go all the way out of the city A natural podcast listener You know, I've learned having a five-year-old and over the years I've learned not to underestimate kids and when you have a you don't if you don't you grew up as a kid But then having one or dealing with you know interacting with kids You don't really know what kind of level they're at and I just constantly surprised and I was at camp but we went to we went camping uh this last week and I had a podcast t-shirt on it was pod save america my personal favorites right now and This kid he couldn't have been more than 14 years old. He says hey Let me see your shirt. I turned around. He's like, oh, I love that show. I was like, are you kidding me? Like why are you listening to a politics show? I mean and it was amazing So it was just again another example like just don't underestimate kids. No No And sometimes you don't even realize you're doing it. It's just just they they're they amaze you and you're like, wow so I Yeah, you go go for it more I know in my I know I've probably gotten four or five emails from kids and my niche was a really small saying Can you help me spread a podcast and the answers always? Yes, and it's uncomfortable for me Because I don't think I'm that good at it and then somebody's Looking up to you and it's a really weird feeling to feel like people look up to you as somebody who does this and So far none of them have taken off yet, but I think that's going to change but it's It's kind of And it's uncomfortable for somebody who has just got into this for somebody to say, you know, how can I do what you're doing? And I think it's a nice feeling to know that, you know, I'm probably a little bit more approachable than 50 year old man who's been broadcasting for 30 years. That's us by the way None of you are 50 Who you know puts his puts his talk show on the podcast and uh, you know, that's the nightly news But I think I think that's kind of cool that there can be these relationships between You know kids who all have something in common and right now. I don't know there might this might exist I don't know if there's kind of a community, but it would say I I'd certainly It's certainly interesting to you know, I've never met somebody else my age. She's podcast Marty it's called kids. Listen. You need to you need to become part of it. You can look it up online It's adults and kids who have podcasts. I don't think there's any quite your age, but um, there's some younger and there's some a little bit older Yeah, that's certainly cool Have either of you started thinking about maybe starting a second podcast I gotta keep up with the first. I'm not I'm not as regular as I need to be This is where Dave recruits you to our niche. Well, you know That's usually what happens if you co-host a podcast. It's easier I certainly have thought about it. My issue right now is I have no issue recording the shows It's all the post-production that takes time. Yeah, right. Um, you know, if I had an editor, I'd pump out a lot more shows The I you know, I record a bunch of shows and it's like, oh, do I really want to edit? You know, you ever write yourself write yourself an outline and just forget the edit I I never write myself an outline. I never write a script. But you know Once you put on the intro and add the outro and Hey, this show has no intro. It's recorded right here when it's done. That's why I want to do live If I do live, you know, my whole show Do it will be done. That's right. Do it Patrick, were you gonna say something? Oh, I was just gonna ask either of them if they ever experience burnout with the demands of also, you know, being a student And keeping grades up and things like that or if you, you know, when I was At that age, I changed my mind on what I was gonna do every two weeks. So I wondered if you ever think Is this really for me or Anything like that? Well, that's why I don't I'm gonna go first. That's why I can't keep up with it during the school year You know, I have a modest amount of episodes out there, but it's really summer seasons of my of my show And it's just because I read all the time But I don't always have time to spend half an hour and talk about it What are we going to do and how are we going to finish it and get the picture ready? So um, and for me podcasting is great for me right now because it's a hobby I'm not making it. You know, I'm not planning on joining my dad at this point in time. It's out there It's for me. It's for fun. It's a way to keep track of, you know, what I'm reading what I'm doing But I definitely I don't have the time to keep up with it It's certainly not as a junior and I'm not anticipating having more time as a senior so For me, it's it's You know during the school year during like the end of a trimester you won't see a show for a couple weeks Um, and I've just been away for a few weeks. I haven't put out an episode in over a month Which is kind of embarrassing on my part. Um, but when I when I record shows I typically, you know, do two or three in a week or two and then I you know edit them and release them slowly um, because I get like energy and spurts and then I'm like, oh I really don't want to be doing this right now And you know, it's part of me says, you know, I want to keep giving my audience content because if I don't then they're going to go away Or you know, they're not going to be as engaged and it's it's this this struggle inside of me You know, sometimes I just don't feel like doing it Um, but I feel like I have to so it sounds like a podcaster pretty much anyone has been doing for a long enough You're gonna everyone's gonna have those weeks for sure. Do you get where do you both see your podcast going you graduate high school? What happens to the podcast? um Well, my dad and I've been talking about that We're trying to see if we can you know figure out how to do it over skype or whatever Um, I I see myself being able to come back to it. I'm already basically doing it over the summer So I don't see why that can't continue. I think it's it's fun to do I now have gotten he's gotten me into the point where I enjoy talking about what I'm reading and it makes me think More about it. So I'd like to continue in some form. Maybe I'll just record myself talking about books and no one I'll hear it, but in some form. I'll probably keep doing it I think I'll be doing this for a while Um, maybe the show I'm doing now. Maybe a little different show I'd like to I'd like to do a show completely unrelated to him radio at some point Maybe maybe, you know, maybe politics. Maybe tech. I don't really know Um, but I certainly need to make it so that I can produce my shows easier Uh, and still I I'm I'm kind of I'm always hard of myself Not as much as talking at us like as somebody who listens to a lot of podcasts and always picky, you know Is the audio good, you know, can I can I listen to it? And I think I'm I'm a techie. Um, I think and I've made that kind of obvious tonight. You know, I like my gear I want to know what you guys actually want to be what do you want to do? Do you know that? No, no idea. Uh, I got you know, I'll I'll do a social studies. I might do some music. I don't know It changes every two weeks I know I want to explore. I know I want either like electrical engineering or broadcast engineering probably behind the mic actually uh, or business or startups or somewhere somewhere with them We're the money is right marty I mean, maybe I'm not too not doing so well with that right now I have so much fun doing this. This is this is my favorite. You know talk talking about podcasting is so much fun and You know, I I don't see my I don't see myself making a living out of it But it's certainly a lot of fun to do Nice, so we need someone to tear the torch the how to podcast torch She needed someone who knows how to do it right. All right, and then You know, then then we can us three can stop and we can go do our other podcasts But timothy I have to make a correction I made a mistake earlier I had said a different podcast had gotten picked up by tv and the one that actually got picked up is the Unexplainable disappearance of mars Patel So I turned that into like a kid show I believe so. Yeah Uh an ad update. Yep. Mm-hmm I'm looking at it right now seems to be the thing these days. It's like the it's like the one percent of play Yeah, like let's go to the podcast. I mean, I guess that's good for our uh our medium is that bigger media quote-unquote is is searching the podcast and scraping what they can Unfortunately, none of us are doing podcasts that are going to get picked up by you know, amazon or netflix Timothy in the chat room said he's excited because martin is about concerned about production. So You know, it is a double-edged sword. It's good to be concerned and you can see it hold you back a little bit as well, but Yeah, I don't I see I feel like if I'm spending the time to get my message out there I want to do it in a way that's gonna be enjoyable and the microphone halfway across the room Isn't gonna make make it fun for my listeners. So why should I bother? one of the things I think about with um a couple of my podcasts have a larger Younger audience like our once upon a time podcast and the comedy podcast And there's this thing in the united states that it's supposed to be that no service on the internet can Get information from children under the age of 13 or there are certain restrictions on that So that's why you really all social networks instead of trying to enforce those restrictions They simply say no one under the age of 13 is allowed to join twitter facebook All of those places they say that in their terms if you're under 13, you're not allowed So considering that and that legal issue in the united states one of the things I think about is When we receive feedback from someone who is either obviously under 13 or they do actually say they're under 13 Where do you see our responsibility with that? I mean obviously we're not going to publish their name and say hey everybody here's their email address But do you feel like We can still use their feedback as long as there's no identifiable information with it Or maybe it's only a first name or something like that Or do you feel like it's something we should not even use? Well, how do you think use it? How is how are you using it? so like We have a tv show fan podcast and if a kid sends in some feedback that they have a theory about something Or they make a really good point in their email and we want to read that portion of their email in our podcast That's the kind of thing i'm talking about using I don't have any problem with that, but i'm not a lawyer Yeah, I was about to say i'm not a lawyer and make make no mistake about that, but I know i've been that person before um And I think it's a double edged short to some extent I think there is responsibility as the adult the responsible adult that everybody pretends to be in this world um That you know, we should be careful with that But at the same time I think if the kid is making I think if the kid is competent enough to be writing something intelligent to you They're probably also understand what they're doing, but you that's not legally. I don't think I don't think that kid should ever be responsible for that to some extent We had a young lady who approached us about wanting to be on the podcast And I realized in the email that she was a minor and so I wrote back and said, you know I'd love to have you but I have to hear from your parent You know, it's just our rules and that's sort of the way I put it and she did and when she was on the show So I you know, it's almost like I would if if you're have nervous if you're concerned about that I would go back and say And you just run this by your your parent, you know, just say it's okay for us to use on the air and that way you're covered If you're nervous about this Yeah, I think I think first name Only in reading it is perfectly fine with no other identifying information You know, there's people in the the audience can assume this person is 27 or 47 or seven But I like that. I like the parents, you know, I mean in an email I don't know how you actually do that because any kids. Yeah, my parents. It was fine, right signed But that's fine. Then at least you have that, you know what I mean, they may be lying, but right But from your point of view, you're not liable anymore I think it's very different for me because You know, all of us hams have call signs and that's very public and that's you know And from that call sign, you can get in public databases all the information you want And people are very very nobody ever hides their call sign ever never seen that happen So I think it's kind of different for me because We all kind of know that we're out there and we all kind of know that We're exposed to some extent and I I've talked to a couple kids and you know, I typically typically You know, I always ask you your parents, okay with this, you know I'd hate to cause some sort of harm Because I put something out there and some kid thought it was okay and their parents And their parents had an issue with it or you know, I think I think it's a fine line to walk I'm not really Wanted to talk about it much because I know I've never asked I'm not I put out stuff and my parents really don't listen to my show Oh No, my parents listen to my show occasionally to be like nice But it's not like they're like listening to be like Marty. You can't say this Marty. You can't say this, you know, and I think I I think it's you know fine line to walk and especially I feel like 10 years ago This would be a very different conversation But the way social media and the internet is today It's just I feel like this is such an issue that's changing every day and there's there's no right answer That's true And to me if somebody said if I said, hey, you know Marty wrote in in an email and said Which one do you think is better the atr 2100 or the at 2005? Nobody knows if I'm talking about a 50 year old dude or a 15 year old kid So I don't it's it's cool to say if they say something like I'm seven years old and I listen to the podcast. That's cool to share But then again, that is sharing some I'd go I'd go with the parent round at that case. Yeah On the other hand if if they happen to understand microphones that much they're probably They're probably okay with it, but yeah So what else when we think just broadly general the generic kids and podcasting Title of this round What else comes to mind because obviously I'm out of my I'm out of my zone here I think you've all touched on one thing which is I think there's a hunger out there Especially in the educational and library world to know how to do this. I've gotten so many requests Yeah, you've gotten those marty. You just talked about that a people approach you I was gonna ask isabella question and I think um Do you do all of your own production by yourself and if so, how did you learn how to do all that? Oh, no, not at all. Um, as I said the whole the whole reason I got into this is my dad at a podcast companies Like you need to do the show. I think it'd be popular. So I'm responsible for a lot of the up You know, I do the research or read the books He interviews me I do the podcast and then usually I help him a little bit on the back end with You know getting the picture ready. How is this going to be distributed over social media? But I am fortunate and spoiled in the fact that I don't do a lot of the editing and I don't put it up So all I really do is you know, I'm in charge of the social media page and I'm in charge of the actual content But for the most part, I'm you know, I'm running off his success. So it's great for me It's great. It's terrific. Um, these I always wonder, you know We can we can have all these online resources where this person says I use this microphone and this headphones This software and but there's a lot of little things and I think Um, I look at people like podcast answer man Who's done lots of like in-depth tutorials about how to podcast and how to set up your studio and all that stuff But there's a lot of like I think about like some some editing stuff and and I use a dish and I pay for software Um, like how do how do people who learn how to do that? There's there's a lot of learning curve I always wonder with people my age, like how do we figure that out? And how do I adjust the compressor on my microphone and you know, things like that Patrick's class I that's what I'm hoping. I'm hoping this happens more at that level, right Patrick I mean, what do you from an administrative point of view like is just a piece inside your class, right? So you probably get to decide that right? I mean, you don't have to ask The administration. Yeah, it is it is curriculum in our district that I helped develop But um, you know, so and I made sure that podcasting was a unit So this is happening throughout your district not even yes, there are five total middle schools and we geared We kind of based it off of a few high school programs that we saw we took a field trip and But I mean really there aren't I don't know of too many middle school programs like this But I know for sure the high school programs are starting to pop up whether it be um, you know audio engineering more that route or Kind of the production thing and so I'm excited to I've had a few people contact me asking for You know curriculum, you know, we're interested in getting this started at our school And and that's kind of cool. I know it was a it was a big investment for my district to um to do so I was frankly I'm still shocked that they that they went with it and they were the ones who actually said We want to do something along this route Figure out how to put it together and what you're gonna do and it took us like two years to um Kind of put it together and there was a lot of education on our part too to figure out What to do? I mean as a podcaster that's that was I had a lot of background but still I had to you know There's a lot of tech stuff. I had to learn just put together a curriculum for you I don't know if that answered your question You know, I think I've never seen a school that has a podcast curriculum I think that's super cool to be honest. Well, it's a music production curriculum But I'm like a podcast nerd who insisted on putting it in there But again, I've had so many librarians who would love to school librarians who would like to do this And there's actually you don't have to invest in a full studio. I mean you can pretty much do it with a phone and You know editing software on a laptop. I mean, there's really cheap ways of doing this And not have horrible production quality Just to make it accessible to as many people as possible. I really think that there's a there's a hunger out there right now for it The cool thing today is podcasting is cheap. I mean, I like spending money on it But you can get an atr 2100 for what is it on amazon these days 40 bucks Somewhere between 40 and 80. Yeah, it fluctuates so much and audacity and you can have a really good sonic podcast Um, but I you know, the thing I always tell people is first don't go buy gear Get your message figure out what you're gonna say get content and content always has to come before gear I think Tony this Take We've had we've had the all women round table, I think I'm gonna have the all kids round table I'm gonna party and Isabella come back and you can just Co-host the whole thing man. It's gonna be you do need a part two of this I think The thing is like I see people all the time who buy all this gear and then they never start start their show Are they? You know, they they buy it doesn't have anything to do with age because No, the worst part is the adult who has way too much money Money to spend and they blow, you know, 5000 on their podcast I got somebody sent me an email saying do I need a AXIA odd ip audio system to record my podcast which There are radio stations do in there, you know the power station unit alone that drives the things like 20 grand And then the more gear they buy the more they obsess over every single knob Oh, and then all the knobs are turned the wrong way and they sound worse Yeah, and meanwhile you're going what's so what's episode one gonna be about? Yeah, I haven't figured that out yet I've seen I've seen it probably so many times you've probably seen it more than I have where people buy all this gear And then they never do a show. Yep What else uh Go ahead kitty. No, no, it's all right. Uh, uh, let's see. What I was gonna say, um No, I don't know. That's right. Patrick one of the things I'm wondering is What can we do to get more kids listening to podcasts? What's the best way to go about that? Yeah, this is this is uh, we know the numbers somewhere. I don't know. They are officially but uh, you know This is a age group that we would love to grow I mean, you don't see kids generally turning the radio to npr So talk format is probably a challenge, but if it's stuff that's aimed towards them, that's good So yeah, good question. How do we get more kids listening podcast? It's it's a chat like everybody's trying to get somebody to listen to their own podcast But we feel so fortunate Um For a long time apple on their front page or they had categories for things they would lump together podcasts for kids with In a category they called kids and family. So you were competing with dr. Laura reruns and What to expect when you're expecting things that are not appropriate at all for small years And we met with apple representatives at every conference We possibly could to try to make this point that there is a you know There's a bunch of podcasts that are much more appropriate for young years And they should be able to be able to be found on just about a month ago finally if you look on the front page of iTunes they've got a for kids category and It's not by all means all the The podcasts for kids, but at least you've got a place to start now. So that's gonna help ability has helped a lot Yeah, I'd say it's all about the content. Uh, you know, my friends, I'm not gonna listen I'm not gonna watch something unless I'm interested in the topic and right now There's lots of lots of people are more interested in politics right now But I'd say, you know, whatever you're gonna do you just have to make it you have to make it appealing You have to make it interesting and I would almost say for my demographic is you got to make it Somewhat short my shows aren't really longer than like 12 minutes and that's a little long But we have short attention spans. That's why snapchats taking off make it short and make it engaging If you don't catch one, you know, if you don't catch me in the first 60 seconds chances are Yeah, you they're gonna skip to the last 10 minutes. I'm not gonna listen to us and say that I do long shows My shirt shows in like 45 minutes That's too long and again, we did a survey about this and asked kids, you know How long do they listen and it's you know 15 to 20 minutes is the sweet spot for kids younger than you guys Yeah, because I understand, you know, there's less patience once you get to be a teenager Where are these kids are these kids listening at bedtime or in the car? Where's the what do you think most listen a lot of listening at home and in the car? And we didn't ask it was at bedtime or not But those are the two big places that people listen car trips are really big We get a lot of car trip listeners. I'm not big on the Alexa the wave this whole podcast are going to do amazing on these devices that sort of lured out into it Because I think podcasts they're pretty personal most people put them right here But I do see maybe kids at this is a good place for that where kids come home And you could say Alexa start, you know what I mean? And and the kids can do other stuff like play While the podcast is playing out loud and of course the parents they're don't mind they're used to that But so I used to listen to adventures in odyssey while playing with legos Wow And look how you turned out It's good I mean, I think this is this is the same thing where I know I the reason I know for me I don't do a video way on because I don't really want to put so much effort into producing it But it's also because I don't want to be watching the shows I consume, you know, especially video shows that Don't target audio and I rarely listen to because if I can't understand what your video show is Without without seeing it then, you know, there's so much productive things you can do while you're listening to a podcast But if I have to be staring at it, and that's what I'm doing It's it's you know, it takes something away instead of add add something to some extent to some extent I think if we if we um just ask kids that they know what a podcast is and ask if they want to be interested in podcasts or podcasting That's not going to necessarily work as well as showing them on their device where they get a podcast Because they love any excuse to have the device in their hand And my kids Love to shove earbuds in their ears. I mean they're they will walk. It's almost like a this weird status thing They they will love to walk around on the halls with earbuds in your ears and you ask them what to listen to And a lot of times they're not listening to anything Might not even you plugged it in their gang pocket, but it makes them feel it's the cool thing Yeah You know when I when I try and tell my friends to Um listen to a podcast I don't the first thing I do I say give me your phone And I say in a minute. I'm going to need your password and I download a podcaster Um, and I put in a couple shows that I think they'll listen to them And then I don't say anything more I say listen to these in your free time and then get back to me These kids must not have iPhones because you you have to Download an app because it you know if you open a by-phone you just put them right on a podcast So I'm thinking I'm thinking there's a lot of android phones in the in the middle school There are but also a lot of kids don't know what the you know, they've seen the purple button But it doesn't mean anything to them So they just don't touch it But I just like what uh what marty said what I'll say is what are you interested in and some kids may say La Crosse and I'll go watch you type in la Crosse there comes the podcast about la Crosse And the kids are watching it that way. I mean are listening to it that way One other thing we've done was a podcast petting zoo at a library I didn't do it one of my colleagues did it buttons and figs They went to the local library with 10 tablets And they had them all set up at different podcasts with headphones ready to go And the parents and the kids together would make the rounds of this petting zoo listening to a little bit of a podcast As a way of discovering It's the new tower records dave we used to go Oh You guys are dating yourselves I don't know what that is They don't even know what a record is We know what a record is Oh, okay, it tastes nothing like pancakes I think it's important to understand that I might like listening to podcasts and you might like listening to podcasts But we don't have to listen to the same thing didn't Do it Andrea, you know, it's so cool because there's so many there's somebody who's making every every time I don't think there there can't be a show on that. There's a show on that, you know Well, what's your favorite podcast that you listen to? What do I listen to? um I listen besides outside of the ham radio podcast realm and I kind of listen to everybody because I think it's I've actually seen the show a number of times and it's always really fun to watch. Um, I listen to um It's kind of a longer show and it's really a radio show. That's also a podcast But I listen to the tech guy, which is leo the ports Um long long radio shows on the weekend. It does a ham radio show too. They have on that network network does a ham radio show not on it, right But I listened to a lot of twits contents content and uh, I listen still does that's good. Yeah, I wasn't so sure um and I listened to podcast answer man and I listened to um kind of A little bit of everything, you know, um, but I generally listen to technical things Do you have friends that would listen to a lot of gamer stuff? Do you have a lot of gamer friends? I I do. I don't have that many gamer friends Um, my take from talking to gamer people who are gamers is they want to see, you know, the guy playing the game And it's hard to be twitch at this point. Yeah, right Isabel, what are you? What are you a couple of your favorites? Um, I'm I'm certainly not as technical. I listened, you know, I'm looking um, I One of my podcasts was you know cpg gray He does a youtube channel and I listen to his podcast So I go about it much more content based and I try to find what's out there that I like and how can I connect that to it? All that's a good question. Have you guys is about do you have you been Have you found youtubers? I find young people are probably more likely to follow youtubers at least first and now You're seeing more youtubers start podcasts That's how I did. I branched out. I went I because I started youtube because everybody knows youtube and then I found out All these guys have podcasts. I want to hear about this I want to be able, you know, I want to be able to walk my dog and still be able to listen to something because it's not as Cool as the youtube and walking dog Doesn't work very well. I know I don't like you. I post my audio show to youtube um And nobody ever never ever listens to it there. I was gonna ask what your audience is for that Terrible absolutely terrible. Um, probably less than 1% of my audience And it's it's weird because it's a different demographic um analytics tell me that the the average age of my listener is probably uh 18 to 36 or so But the demographic on youtube is More in the mid 50s to early 70s range Really the way I I think that I think that is because they're the people who can't figure out how to get an rssp. Yeah Well, it's easy to discover. I mean if you watch one video on ham radio is a good chance you say it's a small niche that they're Going to be introduced to your content, right? So you that's my theory and it doesn't hurt me that posting it today So I keep posting it You should use that ira glass Very funny video where the 90 year old woman is showing him how she downloads podcasts It's like, you know podcasts for dummies, but you don't feel dumb because you're thinking I know more than she does It's so cool. This is such a such a special community I really it excites me to see other people who We who share a common interest Nice, we're gonna turn it over. Well, the kids are who we're turning it over to so you guys just run with it And blow it up make it better than we have for sure Do whatever we want that that's podcast do whatever you want You know as long as your parents say it's okay Don't give me a trouble you guys my goodness. All right. Hey, we've been here for an hour Patrick thinks we should do a part two clearly. There's probably a lot more to be said so he's probably right Maybe I'll let the kids take over. Yeah, let the kid. This was a blast It was so you guys are awesome everyone, but especially isabel and marty you guys You guys are you're killing it. I love it So Daniel you have anything else to add feel free to jump in otherwise Let us know where we get your podcast and of course, we'll see daniel and dave next time I'm daniel j lewis from the audacity to podcast.com noodle, baby doesn't have his own podcast yet But oh someday Well, you know just like isabel these you're you know noodle, baby They have well they have quite an advantage I don't know if it's good for us because that means we're just gonna be editing another show But if we want them to podcast, you know They they they have a little huge start in that that tech curve and editors Yeah, no, she's gonna have to edit her own. That's for sure. Dave Jackson. Thanks for joining us once again And this was cool. This was a lot of fun. Uh, Dave Jackson from the school of podcasting.com I love it because There are these little podcasting bubbles and it's nice when you go into somebody else's bubble I found out last night. Did you guys know there's like a I'm gonna probably say it wrong latino Podcast, there's a latino podcast awards. There's a whole other thing. There's like a Juan Lee Dumas kind of guy. There's all sorts of fun stuff Juan Lee Dumas, amazing. Yeah So it's cool in fuego. Yeah, so when I uh, yeah, so it's cool when you get to see another Uh podcast bubble that you have no clue Existed so very fun School podcasting.com. I'm gonna say thank you. Did I say that or not? Find me at the school of podcasting.com Wait for it. Wait for it. Yeah, you know what that is single The single best part of starting this show has been uncovering All those other podcasting Nishes and being exposed to that that and this is another amazing example. So again, yeah lots of fun isabel. Thanks so much for joining us Thank you so much for having me. This has been a great first round table for me. You can find my stuff It's isabel's bookcase at podcast village.com. Check me out. There's a there's a couple nice ones. Very cool And I think I already saw a tweet coming from your dad. I think he posted He's literally right next. I know it's perfect Just give me a sock in the arm, but he kept he kept quiet. Isabelle. He did a good job Well, I've trained him well Like pimp the website pimp the way she did. She got it in there. I she did get in there It was a good job. No dinner unless you do Yeah, exactly. Kitty. Thank you so much for inspiring this topic and joining us. Thank you Thank you for having me on our show is the book club for kids and we're at book club for kids.org Got about 50 something episodes up there And if you have a young reader at your house who would like to be on the show You can find that information about how to get your kid on the show At the website book club for kids.org and thanks. Thanks I'm so glad you got excited about this topic because I think it's I think it's a really exciting place to be Right now in the podcast world. It does seem like a very up-and-coming niche in podcasting. So it's definitely exciting I will let me just add one more thing. I'm sorry. You'll send you'll send this hand with a semi daughter your way pretty soon She's just learned how to read so we'll get okay next year the year after me again But there's one other place if you want to find other podcasts designed for kids It's called kids listen. There will be an app released on ios in august There's an app on the website right now and it's kid uh kids listen.org Yeah, I'm gonna check that out because I definitely need to find More and then you know, hopefully let them choose here's like if you the key is to have like just a whole basket and be like Go find something you like And know that it's okay to sort of sift through because yeah, and if you're like me and you don't like science You don't have to listen to science right to listen to the story ones or if you don't like storage You can listen to science or you do the music. There's lots for everybody. Very cool. All right. Hey marty Thanks so much. We look forward to your how to podcast show, but appreciate you joining us in the round day Yeah, thanks so much for what having me on marty sullaway phasinglinepodcast.com. Yeah, check it out. Thank you All right, I know there's a there's a couple hams. Yes. I ng Thank you. Yep. The hams will send the hams your way for sure and uh patrick not your second time Thanks for joining us for your first time And thanks for being so patient that is the key here if you're patient. I swear we'll get you on It's just it takes a while I'll still like you. I promise. Thank you Patrick Keller my podcast is the big seance podcast the website is big seance.com and I just want to encourage educators to figure out a way to incorporate podcasts into You know, they're they're school or they're subject I think there are even if you're not teaching the kids to be podcasters. There's plenty of ways or Um, you know students to Uh enrich I guess they're they're learning with podcasting if they know about it For sure. I mean, that's one thing I've seen a lot with podcasts is teachers Bringing the content one way or another working in the curriculum somehow Um, you know, I'd produce for a science network and it gets used in universities and schools all the time at all ages And so I think That is a great resource and something we're seeing so I'm definitely looking forward to getting more Podcasters out of out of that group. So that'd be very cool as well. All right podcasters round table Dot com slash guest if you want to pitch What what do you want to talk about? You know, what are those things that podcasters deal with on a daily basis? That's what we do here a little less how to more like what for what's going on You know, what what is the issue that you are facing and we'll help you through it Hopefully you'll join us Subscribe if you're seeing us on youtube subscribe to the audio only podcast Or if you watch if you watch the whole thing on youtube, thanks so much because that that is an engage Engage viewer as we know Oh Wall tube that is That's a big trick. So we will see you next time for 99 Don't know what that topic is yet, but if we're getting close I need some diploma music, Dave All right, I'll stop that's just going with that joke. Hey once we pass 100 you don't have to hear anymore Still on our way to a thousand All right. Thanks everybody wave. We are out of here. Good night. Good. Bye Thanks If I could get to the stop button, we'd actually