 Welcome back to Social Friday. I go by the name of by Moses or it's by one every social media platform And it's always a pleasure So we are back with our first segment of the day and today we are going to be talking about Yeah, the power of humor and politics So the saying goes the two kinds of men that can never be ugly a rich man and a man with a sense of humor I don't know if this applies to the Queens as well But I can only speak for the demographic that I represent So this has sparked our conversation for the day and in studio with me is a legal expert and aspirant for Nairobi women rep 2017 Karen and we have former J. Quot chair J. Quot Karen and aspirant for MCA Mama Hollywood in Kakamega Boniface curry bonisana if I missed anything in your in your credentials in the intro Your camera is number four to Tanzania the lady. I'm gonna get that's okay All right, your camera is number four. Look them straight into that So good morning. Thank you so much for having me here. My name is Karen Yammu Yeah, like he said I invite for Nairobi women rep in 2017 and in Nairobi. They call me the youth president because I champion for youth interest Thank you very much for coming through to buy in the morning. I'm gracing the studio I'm Bonfes Yolou. Mm-hmm. The other name is Alexander. I also invite for member of counter assembly for my money word It is in Matungu sub-county Kakamega County And also I'm a founder of the great youth women. We love my initiative a community based organization here in Nairobi Yes, and I'm an undergraduate but local mother. I'm an accountant. You're an accountant by profession. Yes, please. All right, so Your foundation is in the great Yes, my foundation right now is in the great north you ride in Kakamega. I ride in Kakamega counter I've stayed in Kakamega for many years Nairobi here is a place of residence and you've got to make impact wherever you live and even as a leader Yes, and even in Kakamega County. I've been making impact to my people In my mind word. So I believe I'm all round. You're all round. Yes I'm going for an office in 2022. Definitely. Yes, I'm still going for the same seat because I never cleaned the seat I'm still going for member of the count assembly. I need to be in the Kakamega count assembly to make to bring the change that people No, my need. I believe I'm the best candidate in the money. So money Definitely must be prepared for a whole contest and I'm a politician. I'm going for that seat. All right. Are you going back for office? Yeah, definitely. I'll be running for office. Not sure which office as yet But definitely expect me to run for office in 2022. You'd like to represent your people Yeah, I'd love to make I'd have to change the youth story All right To my talk and our leaders of tomorrow tomorrow is now All right So there are two kinds of politicians in the game the very rich ones and the populace the guys that can move the crowd and The guys that can move the crowd always tend to be used by the rich ones To to get the crowds if I'm not wrong you can correct me if I'm wrong Is this how the game goes what do you say the populace at the same time are the rich ones or All right. There are those guys who are very rich who will finance the guys who can move the crowds There are people who have a lot of money in this country and we are told they run things behind the scenes And there are guys who have a lot of money and they're in office as well And then we have those kinds of politicians who when they speak People listen and people dance to their tune and people respond to their chance Are we together up to that point we are all right, so We have this issue where We find these politicians some of them are not really qualified some of them don't even know The the the the roles of of a member of parliament or an MCA all they know is To move crowds and all they know is to make to be funny from time to time All right, what do you guys think about this particular issue first? What where is the problem is the problem with the voter? or is the problem with the system itself I Don't think I would not call it a Problem because you see if we set ways of how to get a leader and leaders are democratically elected That means you have to move voters and so it's that let the best guy win So if I will apply my the best way I know how to move voters and become a populist Then I must be the smartest among them You know there's there's book smart in the streets much And let me tell you in politics having a bit of experience behind for office before you need to be Being street smart really comes more than big books book smart So you have to give it to these guys who you're calling populist Easy to control crowds like that. It's not easy. All right But but what is it at the expense of because we take it to parliament to legislate to pass laws for us So we don't need somebody By the performance because when you talk about a populist population in Kenya in my mind I think about the rail because he really moves crowd I think about Mike Sonko because that's someone else who really moves crowds And you just have to look at these people and judge them against their performance. What are they doing? Is the pop is the populism or is there whatever you're calling lack of qualification does it affect their performance in Nairobi? we have seen a Lot of people have been amazed by the by the performance of Mike Sonko That is because they did not expect him to perform like that. We have missed our dreams We have the national government promising studying year after year 10 years about to end. No single study Mike Sonko has promised about three to four studies He has started one is complete in an order and many other things Pumwani has been revamped a lot of things that he has done They cannot now come and Judge him against his populism manner in how he got into office or Or how popular he is Let us look at performance They perform the side shows I just side shows Raila also has been able to contribute immensely to this country's democracy ETC, so There's one thing being a populist and there's another how do you perform when you get to office? What do you do for the country? All right, you look like you have something to say on this particular matter Yeah, I really want to say something about you know the politics in this country. We know how it has been inclined or a rather confined to If you are a popular Many people perceive that you are the most qualified Why am I saying so? Just like you say we started saying you see these people politicians who have money Sometimes money has not been able to enable these leaders to bring out the idea the real idea Themselves so they are but what they are at some times now perceived to be let's say just Or a rather unqualified and they are just using using human to bring voters to vote for them into the offices Someone could say when they say a song what he does the governor for an aerobic County what he does most of the time What what he has done in the past? Many people will say that perhaps he's not A Academically or rather a technocrat you get into that office, but someone else will argue that yes We does what he does just to be able to relate to the people today the youth and But you're going on even getting into the office. You'll see that he's in a position to deliver While he is in the office. So you have to look at The two two different ways for example my governor of Paranya He's not I as humorous as you you might even relate to any other politicians. He's a He's a bit another politician Very serious one So buddy he has managed two times in the office and you can see what he's doing We've got the ground is now he has brought the national youth. I tried the national youth NYS has been developed in Kamega County. It has long the other time So you see it's actually like leaders there might be construed Or rather misunderstood in some sense because we are voters who vote for people Who just have ideas and opinions? But we have a kind of voters who just vote for people for politicians because simply because they've come with money And they are humanized and they have money. So what am I saying? The society we are living in Is what has made us to be in that position? That you find that a larger group of population which is the less said the you who are quite impoverished in this country and they They're able to follow a politician simply because you have money So in that case what I was supposed to do This youth or these people who are in this category would not follow the ideas of these politicians Or rather who are if I'm contesting for an elective city in my mind word This point actually the voters are they have to put me in a corner. They have to ask me questions They have to interrogate me very well whether I'm qualified for that position or not Because as my lawyer will tell you that we have three key roles of our member of count assembly or a national member of our national assembly to legislate to oversight and do what to represent So we have leaders who are in not even a position to legislate simply because they do not have the prerequisite Qualification to be in those offices. So going forward. I think what has also have a data They have a road to play Usually to play in this in this case to ensure that we have a little as well. All right I'm able to believe again. Thank you very much governor. Don't younger poor All right is undoubtedly the most popular politician as we speak right now on social media on the internet Can we underestimate the power of humor? In politics definitely not I think He's a very pleasant guy and Even being elected like ability has a lot to do with Just he's he's humor You just it is a pleasant guy and you end up electing the guy. So yeah, it does really have a role to play and It's it also has to do with someone's personality Sometimes yeah, sometimes charm and charisma. Yeah, you can't force You can't force such charm. You can't force you can't fake it sense of humor. You know, he's such a Natural he who's that thing? Yeah, you just want to be around him and he just looks like a funny guy So we have a clip of Right there on screen if we can Watch it and maybe listen to it Maybe As we line that up white 5 4 channel on Twitter white 5 4 underscore channel on Instagram and white 5 4 on Facebook Is the way to interact with us? We're going to get a sample clip and just get to talk more about this particular issue that we are addressing today Humor in politics and the power of it and we are we Counting on this at the expense of what leaders need to be doing in particular. Let's watch the clip No, you're not just kiss a war radio Leo beer Is sure a cuba elephant a hopper Kwanbaa for the first time National government policies by one as in Dulu and Nairobi kill a mohawk tango 1963 No, she messing Dulu always put code hopper And it's a summer. Yeah, Kwanzaa. Yeah, Kwanzaa in night. 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Oh facility focus for facility improvement. Well, it's a sasa My In a to a facility improvement fund so All right, that is governor I can make very important announcements. Those are very, very important announcements, projects of the national government. If we were to translate this to, say, the United States or the UK or colonizers, it would be a very different kind of temperature, different kind of environment, if you ask me. When such things are being announced by a governor over there, the lingo is different. Do we agree? We assume politics, even if it's an official politician's time, it's not traditional, right? All right, so is this where we are taking it? Is this how we are going to be having our conversations in future, maybe in parliament and the Senate and whatnot? And is this how it's supposed to be? We can't talk about having such lingo in parliament and Senate because there are official languages that you can use in Senate and in the National Assembly. But when you're dealing with your people, because he's addressing his people, what to work with, I mean, he just needs to be himself. We need to relax and demystify leadership, so that your people can be able to relate well with you and not all the time make it appear like a serious business or with your people. I mean, just relax, demystify leadership, let people know what you're doing, as long as you're having a direct impact on your people's life, that is all should matter. And Professor Niniangapo, at the end of his term, because this is his first term, we are going to have to see what he has done for. Despite all these attacks. Despite making us happy and making us laugh, his people will have to judge what he has done. So at the end of the day, all roads lead to the top of the trail. What have you done? Despite all these attacks. What do you have to say about this? Yeah, I think it depends with the occasion, the occasion and where you're saying it. Because if you get to the National Assembly, you have to bring out that demeanour today, of the National Assembly, actually. You need to follow the other procedures in the National Assembly, you'll just do that. You'll not start talking like Lese Niniangapo is saying. Niniangapo has chosen an audience in his area, and they are very excited with what he's saying. So I think at that particular time, in that occasion it was just well with Niniangapo. Because people understood him very well. And despite, in fact, he's an intellectual and you cannot rule him out. Let's say you cannot say now, he doesn't know what he's saying. So many people have judged him that he does not understand, let's say, even what the policies are all about. But he's a professor of mathematics and he understands very well. So whatever he's saying here, even the technocrats and intellectual outside here, they will say Niniangapo knows what he's doing. So they will support him on that. They will not dismiss him that he's not qualified. Yes, we are living in the age of memes and vines. Are we together after that point? You guys know what I'm talking about? All right, these guys have ended up to be victims of memes and vines out here on Instagram. And people make a lot of fun. This became a phenomenon online. Let's picture separately. This video is separately and the other one is separately. So first, is this fair to the politician to be used like this on social media? I mean, once your life is in public, my friend, you cannot separate, you don't have private life and you cannot say this is fair, this is unfair, this is fair. I hear people in the public are complaining about what blogs are written. My friend, if you Google my name today, right now, you will see so many stories, some fake, some with 1% truth and then 100% all manner of things. So, I mean, we sign up for this. As a politician. Or any person in the public eye. So, I mean. We can't say it's fair or not fair. You cannot say it's fair or not fair. What I know is that a lot of politicians are not affected by those memes. They're not affected by those stories. They don't see them. They see them. Me, for one, I see my stories, but I don't care. All right, as a legal expert, what is to be done in cases of defamation, in cases where people have written articles, 1% truth, 99% fabricated? You see, when you go for legal redress, it all depends on how it affected you. If, I mean, if you suffered damage, emotional. There has to be damage. Yeah, there has to be damage. If you suffered some damage, emotional is part of it. So, there are people who, I mean, it's in the law. You have a right to go ahead and sue if you feel like. But a lot of people let it pass because they view it as inconsequential and for lack of a better word, as nonsense. Nonsense. You can say it out loud. So, do you think it's fair to the politicians to wake up in the morning and end up on funny clips? And we are going to be showing some of them. I think our president made a child cry in a video that I saw. And this was a fabricated video. And if you're watching it for the first time, you can believe it. I think in this era, we are living in. Side things are going to be there for longer than we expect. Because it's politics and Kenya, we're playing politics all around. So, if you say such like a thing or such like a mockery, it's political in nature. And it's sending a sound message, a very loud message to the opponent. It is a criticism in one way or the other. So, I don't think we can rule them out where they are saying, someone is not communicating by himself, but he's letting the person, the person who is supposed to be criticized or rather criticize himself. So, in another way, you can't say that let's say the president said that, but you let the president say by himself. So, the technology has come in hand just to play that. All right. So, we're about to watch Raheela A.K.A. Baba's funniest moments, some of his funniest moments, and then we'll carry on the conversation after. Let's watch it. I'm good. I'm sorry. Let us... You said you look alike. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Allah, maga full style. I would have maga full it ah. We have a Catholic center in Kenya, in Kenya, and in Kenya, and in the clouds. When I'm elected, I will not be watching the Formula Four in Dubai and do not know the word when, not if I'm elected. I don't think it was meaning a whole route to understand, feel guilty. I don't remember ever saying that the whole route I mean, what kind of stream I'm coming in. But that basically means that the kitchen is too hot. So, if the kitchen is too hot, get out. There is shout out to hashtag debate K.E. So, we have another issue arising. Some of the funny moments are when I'm doing a Ruka story. Kipetero Kies. Kipetero Kies. Yes. I'm doing a Ruka story. Those are some of our funniest moments. Is this, like do you have to have this trait to be a politician? Like in nature, where is the Ruka story has to be part of you, has to be in your DNA? The Ruka story is very important part of damage control. Come on, it's this part of distancing yourself from a mistake, you know? You made. But sometimes it backfires because we have clips. Just the internet doesn't forget. We say, we know what Moses Kuria said and he said, it's Gushi. I wish you had a clip like that. So, Ruka's story is part of the game. Do you agree? Yeah, it's a skill for politicians. Yeah, it's a skill for politicians. Yeah, it's a skill for politicians. At some point you are put to a corner, you go to, you are misquoted, misunderstood. Yeah, such like study. Misquoted, misunderstood. Those are some of the words you can use. Alright, let's get a taste of the deputy president, William Ruto. Some of his funniest moments as we proceed to give you what you need. How did one this to happen to anybody? If you don't get the one you love... Okay, we are back. And that is the deputy president, William Ruto. One of the funniest, by the way, and one of the most popular, and one of the most charismatic politicians, and one of the most skilled we have ever seen. So yeah, his video in particular, I'd like to address the issue of Mchungo Anno. Mchungo Anno is part of being a politician. Let's see if you can tell us. I'll show you around. Yeah, Mchungo Anno is Lazy Ma. Like the human... The human is very important, and Mchungo Anno is part of it. So, if you say Rai Lord Inga, using too much of Mchungo Anno, he's targeting a certain group of people. Those people who like Mchungo Anno. So, like even the Mutu of Itandaweli has used most of the time, and he has been branded that Mutu of Itandaweli. So Mutu of Itandaweli, it has come a brand, he's been helping him very fast. If you say the other day, Mchungo Anno, Tanga Tanga, Tanga Tanga became a movement. So, if you... Mchungo Anno, how you use it is what matters. It could just make someone popular, it could just make someone get what he wanted. So, be very careful. So, you'll be very careful with Mchungo Anno as well. And it's a chungoam to kumbe umjeng. Exactly, you just met him. Like rap music. Yes. Alright, what about you? Mchungo Anno is a very... It's a very good way of handling your opponent. You don't need to sound bitter, you don't need to sound angry and what. So, with Mchungo Anno, you have hit him, and you started to shout. But now, when you start complaining, and you've been hitting him all the time, William Ruto is a master of that Mchungo Anno game. And Rayla is... And I follow closely. And most of the time, they're doing it to each other. Ruto to Rayla, Rayla to Ruto, you know. Alright, so it's a source of entertainment for us as well. So, Mchungo Anno is part of the DNA. Kuru ka story mouimu. Skills. Skills, those are top skills. Alright, let's watch another clip right here. We have a clip, Ferdinand Waititi to governor for Kiembu County. Kama iyo wa apu anna support iyo ubumu haji. Mimi apu anna support iyo. Mambu iyo anga liwe. Kama kuna yubayako inakari biya na namuto. Wewe wambiwe. Nikaramayako kubuhakikisha iyo mutui mesonga kidogo. Rekini kubumu wa inyuba is not a solution. Honesty speaking. It's such a big loss. Na tena mujuwe, na irobi beleni. Yilkua ni mashamba. Na irobi beleni kuru kua na mashamba. Freehold. Na diomeo na juzi. Ule muzea mesi kua na drama kubu asana ule mburu. A moa chiliwa. Kusapu taito didi ake di genwin. Iyo usi haba idikua ake 96 ekasi. Wadu wa lipega buemue ati Corruption, Corruption is aia vesisi kua. Kusapu wadu wa mewa na makaratazi ire genwin. Ni inataka ni wambi e. Kama sa ire biya munapigana na Corruption wale aku. Onafanya iyo kazi. Kidogo muende pohre pohre mutonguze maneno sasa. H אז般 ekimbia papapapapapapapapapapaprapabapapapapapapapapapapa Ati ni Corruption korrept Missionertirikova mua manino p合a di mua Hundabopo mani N'ba Kusababu, sa ingina i chkama ii likua asama. Ii likua asama n'ba ien me pipita muto. descendants. Hakoo k awake milia. Idikua taito didi knee amutume星 ya lile muto li nuni waino. Hakoo molite skin abon pantana. Herz woriding. Nasasa manener…. colleague Barrian nye rabbits. We weak iye kualikatu nye shuki akua molike gelil. Oh yes, that is Governor Fadinand Waititi to Kiambo County. And this is the New Age Moses, the 21st century Moses, moving waters. All right. The reason I play this clip, is it politician, like, I mean, we trade to Kuambia, I took it to Anataku, Skiya at the expense of looking down sometimes. Is that also part of the DNA? I think out of what Governor Waititi is saying. Because it's just telling people what they want here. But what? Yes. When the water bubble in Yumba and some of the people, as much as it's fighting for his own interests. At some point, also, these leaders need to be very careful with what they say. Yes, what he said, he wanted to defend some, a certain group of people. But I don't think even most of the majority of Kiambo residents are owning apartments or their houses are being demolished in this. Kiambo is the richest county in this country. Yes. They just come from Kiambo County. They own apartments in Nairobi. Yes. But I think that is also being stereotyped. And it's now making, it's coming to make even the Kiambo residents, all of them, look like they are billionaires. Yes. I'm telling you, there are several people in Kiambo County who are desperate. So when they hear such, like, such statements, they also get to wonder what kind of a governor has become to be. But again, he just wanted perhaps to defend something. He knows that actually he was the next to be targeted or some individuals were to be targeted and he just wanted to put a, let's say, a halt or to face it on and tell them with the other option or if to change the flow of rivers in Nairobi County. It is a message he sent to a certain social class of people. Yes. All right. The question is, let's not move away from the question. Do you think politicians sometimes just tell people what they want to hear and at the expense of looking, you know, for lack of better words, don't? Yeah. We have politicians who do that. But you see, you say certain statements at the expense of the marginalized or rather they were not to be able to defend themselves. So it is quite a consequence in that case. You just say it because, you know, they will not say anything in return. But you see, politicians need to be very careful. That's what I'm saying sometimes. Thank you very much. What do you think about this issue? Do you think sometimes it's necessary just to tell people what they want to hear at the expense of looking, you know? Yeah. In this case, I think the amount it was imagination was just running on overdrive. Back to your issue, like you said, politicians say what the people want to hear sometimes. You have to do that on time, depending on the mood. The latest victim of this issue has been Jaguar. When you are telling these people that they are going to beat foreigners who are trading in Stereo and they are going to cut them to the airport and all that, and they are going to be in trouble. Because you cannot talk about Tanzanians and other people who we have, East African, are packed with. Matters of international relations. Yeah. And regional, because we have regional relations with Tanzania, for example Uganda, we have a pact. And I remember the president said that there is going to be free flow between us and Tanzania. So if you start making reckless statements that you are going to beat Tanzania and send them home, not forgetting that a lot of Kenyans are also working in Tanzania. Tanzania and the rest of the world. We are enjoying this relationship with them. I mean, he was just saying what his people want to hear. He didn't think it out. He knows that it can't work. But we do that sometimes in a campaign. You admit it. All right. The big question is, out of all this, same what the people want to hear called Roka story, ending up in memes and vines, is publicity, publicity, negative publicity, positive publicity. Is it still publicity in the world of politics? Yeah, in the world of politics, publicity is publicity. Either way, it makes you stronger. Now it depends on how you look at it. Even if it's corruption. Corruption has made some politicians in this country now more popular. They have masses now. They have several following on their Twitter, Instagram and Facebook on social media. And that is what is most Google search. Exactly. So you find that if you come up with such like even a propaganda, you have to be very careful on where you are directing that propaganda and if it will work out. Tanga Tanga, just like I said, has now become a movement. Yes. And it's something the opponents created for the Tanga Tanga, for the Deputy Ruto's team. And it's going to be a battle with the Tanga Tanga with the other movement that will come along. So it started that way. So even corruption as a tang, because even if there is a corruption and you see that person, you've no persecuted him. You've not taken him through the illegal processes. Headlines are there. Headlines are there. You're making that person popular over nothing. If he is corrupt, let us hear that the DCI DPP have taken the initiative to take that person to court. And he has been prosecuted. And find OJ. Find OJ. But you see, there has never been a conviction. For instance, in this case, the Deputy President is a victim of that propaganda. Let me not say either propaganda or no propaganda. Because even all along we've not seen any convictions. So we can't say corrupt or no. You cannot say he's corrupt or not. Because the court has no proven name. Yes, the court has no proven name yet. All right. Thank you very much. Publicity is publicity. What do you think about this? Yeah, publicity is publicity. And most of the time we see that negative publicity works much better than positive publicity in politics. Yeah, it's a fact. I remember in my own experience, this guy, Senior Kunji, he's a bully. So when he just joined politics, he used to write articles about me, about me, crazy things. Have you ever met him, by the way? I've not met him. Would you like to meet him and confront him? No, no. You don't care? He made me, he later admitted. He did an article later when he saw that I had taken office. He wrote, I made this password famous. So you see, maybe he wanted to bring me down or he had been paid to bring me down. But you see, it worked to the opposite. The effect was opposite. So he just sat down and wrote another one and said, no, he wants to claim to not make me famous. Tell him to make another you then, if he made you. I'll take this if we get him. All right. Thank you very much. I'll give you one at only 30 seconds each. Talk to your people, the guys who you want to represent in 2022 and talk to your people, the guys who you want to represent in 2022. Let's start with the lady. 30 seconds. Your camera is number four. I do politics in Nairobi. So obviously I'm talking to Nairobi residents. I'll say thanks for the support that you gave me last time. It was immense as a beginner. I didn't expect it to overwhelming. But this time, this time we are together. Let's take it to me. Let's finish to my leisure because I have this vision for young people and I want to use legislation and working together with the national government and county governments to make sure that the youth are getting empowered and they're building a nation and this way the country benefits because the youth get to take part in tax pay and the youth are the majority in the country. Thank you very much for coming. Good morning. All right. Thank you for this opportunity. Let me take this opportunity to thank my governor weekly for Beth of Paranya. I know he's a legal dispute with the National Assembly for initiating county youth and women development program, empowerment program, and I thank him for that. For my residents, I thank them for the opportunity they gave me. They have been very supportive in my endeavor going into politics for the first time. And going forward 2022, I think I'm the right candidate for that position going forward. I wish also to say that there's been security in Matungo constituency. I know KDF is still there and we still pray that there is going to be tranquility that we all need for us to continue developing our county. All right. Thank you very much for coming through all the best in your endeavors. I wish you guys all the best and thank you for what you're doing to your people, the people that you represent, even out of office. Santin Sana. We have come to the end of the first segment of the day on Social Friday on Why In The Morning? I go by the name of Barry Moses or it's very more on every social media platform. We still have guests from county 042. DJ Matrizzi and Oteno Matino is a comedian on social media and he takes advantage of these politicians sometimes. So be sure to tune in and interact with us on our social media handles. I'd like to find four channels on Twitter, I'd like to find four underscore channels on Instagram and I'd like to find four on Facebook. Don't touch that. 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