 morning okay I would like to request anyone on the call right now to please lead in prayer yeah yeah go ahead go go ahead brother thank you no no no you carry on okay thank you so much good morning ma'am yeah am I audible ma'am yes yes I've been asked yes okay okay thank you ma'am so let's pray our gracious heavenly father we thank you for this beautiful time and beautiful day Lord Jesus this morning we choose to praise you we choose to honor your Lord Jesus we choose to glorify your name Father God thank you for this time Lord Jesus as we are going through the session Lord Jesus we ask you your presence Father God we want to be in your presence Lord Jesus still the end of this glass Lord Jesus and we ask you more of your revelation Father God we ask you more of your understanding Father God help us to in a deeper way Father God so that we can learn your word Father God and so that so that we can apply in your word Lord Jesus not for ourselves but it's for your kingdom Lord Jesus we submit pastor Nancy to your mighty hand Jesus Father God as he is as he is speaking Father God speak help help us to speak to 85 years Lord Jesus to comfort us comfort us Lord Jesus thank you Father God we submit all the fellowships to your mighty hand Jesus and we ask this prayer in Jesus mighty name we pray amen thank you ma'am thank you amen thank you thank you Abhinash welcome once again some more friends have joined so glad to have you in this class and excited to learn about the next topic in this course which is the apostolic we have seen that the Lord Jesus has given gifts we call the five-fold ministry offices as the gifts of Christ in Ephesians 4 verses 11 and 12 we see this one is the prophetic the other is the apostolic okay and we have also seen with regard to the prophetic we've seen the progression we've seen how prophecy is a gift of the Holy Spirit and someone can exercise it as a believer someone can have the grace gift of prophecy thereby their ministry is marked with prophecy and then there are people whom the Lord Jesus has appointed in the office of a prophet and the apostolic is very similar so we will try and understand it the best way to understand you know biblical truth is from scripture I know that there is a lot of content out there there's a lot of teaching out there there are you know many references to this word apostolic apostle so our tendency is that you know we we want to get a hold of everything that is available I understand it because we are hungry and we want to find out more but the best way to get a hold of God's word is always through scripture so even when we studied the prophetic you will realize that we began with studying passages in God's word about what it meant to hear from God then how did people hear from God in the Old Testament so every incident in the Old Testament where people are connecting people are picking up the communication of God we studied it and then we went on to the New Testament and we saw there you know how was it that that the prophetic looks there and the progression of the prophetic so every conclusion that we came to was based on God's word you know then we built on it we came to the practical aspects and said that in the in the interpretation of personal prophecy in the application of personal prophecy here are some practical things that we must bear in mind in the leading of a church as a prophetic congregation or a ministry so that you know we are prophetic in this ministry how do we do it so you see that there is a good foundation of scripture and on that we have understood the practical aspects of applying what this entire anointing is about and another thing that you know we saw is that over the years the the truth about the prophetic has become clearer and clearer and the same applies to the apostolic we will build from scripture and then we will come to the practical aspects of it and you know the truth about the apostolic once again it's becoming clearer and clearer as the church is experiencing more of this anointing and we said that we will see more of the manifestation of the prophetic and the apostolic in the in the church or the global body of Christ and so you know it's something for us to keep our eyes open for and also pray that we will be able to release this anointing to whatever extent God wants us to so let's begin with our first chapter here I have posted the notes for the google classroom students on your classwork page so if you have I mean if you've if you've gone there you could just download it and follow along yeah all right so chapter one here and I am on page two it's just an introduction of the apostolic and that's what we have for today so what we see here is that the apostolic you know the age that we are in right now we know that God is restoring the five-fold ministry offices and I also touched upon the fact that we are beginning to see more of it and our understanding also is deepening as far as the anointings of the five-fold ministry offices is concerned so just looking back at church history a little bit I know that this is there you know we touch on this on many courses in many courses in the bible college so we've seen that in the between like 400-2400 AD the church was a spiritually feeble entity during the dark ages and post that the the revival and restoration of the church began to come through so then we see the emergence of the Protestant movement where people had an understanding of salvation through grace we then see the Puritan movement where people understood the importance of water baptism and also the separation of church from state in the 1700s there is the holiness movement that we talk about you know names like John Besley are all very popular with regard to the holiness movement how the church understood that you know along with along with our committing ourselves to God you know comes this this requirement for us to live a sanctified life and so a believer has to have a holy life and therefore God poured that out on the hearts of people and then you know globally you see different parts of the world people had this this emphasis and holiness was was something that the church was pursuing then in the 1800s you know it's a time where there are many many you know occurrences of healings divine healings and you have notable men and women of God who were anointed by God to minister healing and deliverance to people and so the church began to understand that yes you know this is also something that God is demonstrating in his body and people had that confidence that you know the way the Lord Jesus spoke in his word that yes he is somebody who heals the physical body of people 1900s 1900s we see the emergence of the pen movement the baptism in the Holy Spirit you know Azusa street revival all those all those things took place and so the understanding of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and the gifts manifestation of the gifts of the Spirit now that is something that people began to accept and teach all around so following the Pentecostal movement in the 2000s this is where we've been saying that there is I mean it's not that when we say that you know all these truths were restored to the church it's not that they were non-existent but it is more like the understanding became deeper and the work of the Holy Spirit in all these areas became stronger and and so you could say that the church or the global church was kind of fortified in a way with these truths you know in in a in a very strong way so that's what we mean so from the 2000s this whole understanding of the five-fold ministry offices and the anointings pertaining to the five-fold ministry offices is being restored back to the church more and more and you know many things could have all the manifestation of these anointings has always existed not that it hasn't existed but you know when we say understanding it's more like we now have in a way language to explain you know what what exactly God has been doing so uh that way many people understand what the apostolic is about or the what the prophetic is about and of course you know God is pouring out more of a spirit greater works are being performed so that's what is happening and thereby as believers we should understand the importance of what God is doing so now that we have touched upon the prophetic we know the importance and we also realize that as an individual or as a leader we have to move in that direction and similarly the apostolic we will understand the importance and we'll know why for us as believers we need to have that apostolic mindset so our best example always even when we talked about the prophetic we said that Jesus was a prophet in himself and so you know there were scriptures we looked at where people where Jesus said a prophet is not respected in his own among his own people so he was calling himself a prophet and we saw how the prophetic anointing worked through him Jesus is somebody who has the anointing in all the areas of the five-fold ministry offices and that is why in scripture we see that you know Jesus is said to be someone who had the spirit without measure spirit without measure is all the five-fold ministry office anointing where in one person now that is unusual you generally don't have that among you know regular people may be a couple of anointings manifest here and there but the Lord Jesus is somebody who's appointed in all the five-fold ministry offices so Hebrews chapter 3 and verse 1 could somebody please turn to that scripture and read it for us in this course I will be asking us to read passages of scripture so please be prepared if you have you know your Bible's open online then that would be good just keep a copy of the Bible with you so Hebrews 3 1 if someone can read that we can explain it and move ahead thank you Hebrews I am reading please yes yes go ahead Dilesha go ahead Hebrews chapter 3 verse 1 I am reading from the ESV therefore holy brothers you who share in the heavenly calling consider Jesus the apostle and the high priest of our confession amen yes thank you thank you so what was the ESV English standard ESV okay thank you so I'm looking at the same scripture NKJV version and again you know it says the apostle and high priest of our confession Christ Jesus so clearly the Lord Jesus is an apostle and there is reference to that in the scripture that we read but more so from the life that he lived and the ministry that he performed so what is this word apostle if you just look up that word apostle the Greek it stands for apostolos okay apostolos means sent one or a delegate and I know that because of you know studying believers authority we know the meaning of delegated authority somebody who has been sent in the name of a person of authority and somebody who has been approved to carry that person's authority and thereby you know they all they exercise that same authority through whatever they do a good example would be let's just say you know there is a school and there is the principal of the school who is responsible for the administration of the school but maybe for a season he is not there in the school what happens is he might assign a teacher you know one from the existing set of teachers to to function with his authority so though this individual is a teacher you understand that they have been vested with delegated authority from a higher a person in a higher position and so when this teacher carries on the administration of the school for that duration of time they have the powers they have the rights of that principal to whatever extent it has been it has been listed out and within that boundary that teacher is allowed to use that power so that is a delegate so you're able to use the powers which are given to you the authority which is given to you we've seen that isn't it we've seen exosia or authority that we have in Christ Jesus to do the works that the Lord Jesus did so now that we have an understanding of authority and being sent and being delegated apostle simply means someone who has been sent or that person is delegated okay now in the case of the Lord Jesus it's it's quite clear for us that he was sent from heaven from by the father to fulfill his work of of his mission of redemption so that's how he is an apostle he is a sent one he is a delegate and therefore you know we we see him as an apostle so the word apostle okay if you also kind of break it up we know that it is sent the term stallers refers to from okay so apostle sent one from God from heaven and he became a representative of God for us here on the earth and we have seen his authority and power and everyone who looked at the Lord Jesus you know remarked and said oh what authority he speaks with great authority and the disciples were also amazed when they saw him do the works of the kingdom so you know he demonstrated the authority and the power of the kingdom of God or the kingdom of heaven and in that manner you know he he showed that he is a sent one apostolos from heaven and the Lord Jesus you know very simply put you know he is an apostle and his life and ministry talks about it now in the writing of the new testament obviously words of that time would be used isn't it so if you go back to the language the Greek language and the usage of the words people had a certain understanding of the things around them and that is why they used you know that kind of terminology so coming to the word apostol in Greek apostolos apparently during the times when this word was used that is the New Testament times you had a very strong Roman Empire you had the the Greeks and the Romans who would send out envoys to go and carry out these these invasions or you know they would they would conquer regions around them and they would try to establish their own kingdom so when they would send out these envoys you know they would they would call them apostolos okay so when the term apostle is used in scripture the people of the those times understood in a in a way what it meant because it was referring to you know somebody like an ambassador somebody like you know a conqueror who would be sent out as a representative of the you know the Romans or the Greeks they would go and they would take over a land and not just that they would they would establish the kingdom or establish their own kingdom in the new region so that would involve you know subduing people that would involve conquering if there are opposing voices conquering those opposing voices it would mean let's say you know they have taken charge of the place and now everyone is is is in line with what they want to do from that point on there's some amount of equipping training you know and and establishing the new subjects of the land according to the the the government rules that they have so if it is the Romans then they would have their their rules that will apply to that region so in a matter of time like if you if you go to that place and you look at the place you would see you know like a small Roman kingdom established in in that place but earlier it was a completely different land a rule by somebody else having different principles values standards and all that but an apostle or you know an ambassador sent during those times had the responsibility to enter this place and establish the kingdom that you know they represented so for the new testament believers the word apostle brought that understanding okay somebody who is leading the changed in a new territory okay so that is the understanding of the term apostle and they obviously sent from a kingdom to do this and so when we apply it to ourselves you know we now have the understanding of the kingdom of God and so as representatives of the kingdom of God we here who are living in the world we're not of the world and we represent a spiritual kingdom we are not talking about some kind of a literal kingdom which exists in on the earth right now that's not what we're talking about it's a spiritual kingdom the kingdom of the Lord Jesus the kingdom of the Son of God the kingdom you know that has the light of the Son of God so you know we are citizens of this spiritual kingdom and in the way we approach the things of this life and you know new doors that open to us or new territories again in a spiritual sense that are given to us you know our responsibility is to see the kingdom of God come upon that so that is why Jesus also taught us to pray thy kingdom come thy will be done you know that's very apostolic prayers so what are we saying we're saying God you know let your kingdom take over the kingdom of righteousness peace joy justice you know all that whatever the kingdom of the Son of God represents let that take over and here we are as representatives of that kingdom so you know when we use the term Apostle apostolic that is what should come to our minds and that is what we see you know in the usage of that Greek word apostolos and obviously our best example again about someone who established the kingdom of God kingdom of heaven on the earth who came from Stolos came from heaven is the Lord Jesus okay so we always look to the example of the Lord Jesus as an Apostle so in scripture we see that the term Apostle is also used for the 12 disciples of Jesus in the book of Revelation Revelation 21 and verse 14 refers to these these disciples of Christ can somebody turn to Revelation 21 and verse 14 please you can read it out to the class 14 the city yeah the city's wall was built on 12 foundation stones on which were written the names of the 12 Apostles of the Lamb thank you Anita so it's quite clear there so we're talking about the the heavenly city that you know everyone is looking forward to and over there there is a reference of the 12 Apostles okay who on whom does it say the foundation stone can you please read that again it says of the 12 foundation stones that's correct ma yeah yeah 12 foundation stones and also notice here it says the Apostles of the Lamb yeah okay the Apostles of the Lamb so then it's understood because in the book of Revelation the Lord Jesus is the Lamb of God who was slain for us so the 12 Apostles of the Lord Jesus and they are called as the Apostles of the Lamb so obviously you know we will see further we are going to look at scriptures and passages from the New Testament to see the the function of these 12 Apostles now some of you may have the doubt okay what about Judas is he also considered as you know one of the Apostles of the Lamb but you know we know that he he denied his calling so in the book of Acts you know Peter calls for the selection of a new person in the place of Judas so Matthias is the one who is you know appointed by God so they they do this lots thing and then they pick Matthias as somebody who has been selected by God so there is a replacement that has already taken place and there are these 12 Apostles of the Lamb so they are known as Apostles so Jesus we saw he's an Apostle there are there is something called 12 Apostles of the Lamb that refers to the disciples okay before I go forward say did you have a question I saw you raise your hand yes you answered it already was pertaining Judas thank you very much yeah that's great thank you and Elisha has posted here on the chat does this list have the name of Apostle Paul you mean the Apostles of the Lamb Elisha no yes ma'am yes ma'am okay no Elisha it doesn't have um simply because you know Paul was not one of those disciples of Jesus during his earthly ministry it's very clear that you know he he was somebody who emerged on the scene later on so if you study the life of Paul um he was impacted by the um the martyrdom of Stephen and it is said that he could have been roughly about 25 years at that time but it's you know a few years later that he had his own encounter while he was going to persecute the the children of I mean the the believers in Christ Jesus he had his own encounter on the road to Damascus he gave his life to God and so you know Paul's story is completely different and you do see that in some places he also talks about the fact that he never physically walked with Jesus or he didn't learn some things firsthand from Jesus so some things came to him by revelation okay so yeah he is not considered as the Apostle of the Lamb and that's very very clear but he is included in another set of apostles uh this reference is Ephesians chapter 2 and verse 20 could someone turn to it please Ephesians 2 and verse 20 yeah I'll come to you Louis Ephesians chapter 2 verse 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets Christ Jesus himself being the cholesterol okay wonderful wonderful so thank you Elisha so we see you know the the context here about the believers and the church we are built on the foundations of the apostles and prophets so if you look at most of the New Testament it was written by apostle Paul so there are these foundational truths that have been established by apostles because obviously as we have seen the meaning of what an apostle means you know bringing the kingdom bringing the the values and the standards of the kingdom God empowered certain men apostles to give us the scriptures okay so Paul is one of them so Paul is considered as one of the founding apostles okay so today we will look at this hopefully later as well we have people other people in the apostolic office yes very much like the way we have people in the prophetic office we do have isn't it and none of us will deny that so other do apostles exist today they do but can today's prophets be can today's apostles be apostles of the lamb no apostles of the lamb is you know reserved or restricted to the disciples of Jesus founding apostles are those who have given us the scriptures so today we cannot have founding apostles so the apostles that we have today their function is different but the scripture has a reference to founding apostles that would include people like Paul who have given us the scriptures and so you know someone can't come up with a new epistle and say hey come on include it in the Bible because I am in the office of an apostle no that that can't be done anymore but can they be an apostle with a different function very much so okay so that is our understanding okay yes Louis had I saw Louis raising his hand so I can answer try to answer his question and then come to you say Louis did you want to ask anything okay let's go with your question say please go ahead my mind is just an observation that just you know according to me when we read Ephesians 2 verse 20 just to say that Paul here actually acknowledges the teachings despite the fact you know most of all that he wrote us by revelation direct revelation of what Christ had revealed to him but I see here that he actually kind of acknowledges the teachings of the apostles who were with Jesus Christ so it just goes to show again that again not not every not not all that he wrote to the churches were exclusively his revelations but also in harmony with the teachings of the founding apostles I just wanted to raise that up just so yeah excellent observation say yeah that's that's so wonderful isn't it those who were with Jesus and those who came after they were in harmony so praise God only the Spirit of God can do that across you know time across years so you know we praise God for that integrity thank you for that Louis your back you had locked off and then now your back did you have a question just a bit of concern yeah the timeline was kind of quite long between when what his name was appointed as the 12th Apostle and when Paul came on the scene but Jesus Christ was the one that picked up selected his 12 apostles is it is he reasonable to say that that space was still vacant until Jesus himself appointed the 12th Apostle not by lots but by the election of grace so if you want to extend the hands of an election by grace we'll have said that Paul was the one elected by grace to fill up the 12th position not what was done by lots considering the sequence in which the first founding apostles were were selected so there is a different school of thoughts with different preachers to say that the one that was considered by lots did not stand spiritually as 31 that was done by election of grace i agree with shea that most of the conversation that Paul had were based on the the the foundations of the founding the founding fathers but those revolutions also he said i went up to arabia by revelation such that when it was time for Christ to be revealed he separated himself onto that revelation so i don't know where we can have to put that that balance i'm not negating the fact that the 12th was selected by the 11 apostles doesn't stand but in terms of the election of grace considering the fact that Jesus was the one that hand picked his own apostles so do we so extend that that paradigm or protocol to Paul or we just leave it the way it is in terms of um historical sequence okay thank you uh thank you louis for that observation and that concern um so you see when we when we think of this is again you know my interpretation and i'm sharing that with you you can definitely have ask another person as well or you know research more and then come to your own conclusion but see from what i see if you go to ax chapter one and versus 20 onwards we see that you know Peter kind of comes up with this request and he says that okay you know we don't have there's one person missing uh and we have to we have to elect somebody in the place of Judas all right so uh but there is a prerequisite or there is a criteria that that they put in place and that was that somebody who had been you know with with the Lord Jesus so verse 21 therefore of these men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us verse 22 beginning from the baptism of John to that day when he was taken up from us one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection so you see it was not random they were uh in fact the 120 people that you saw gathered in the book of Acts for the output of the Holy Spirit they were all people who were with Jesus and uh though it's not mentioned you know 12 were close to Jesus and you know they were uh day in and day out with Jesus but then you see here in the selection of a person they are looking for somebody who has been around who knows the teachings and who is you know well versed and uh and my assumption is that obedient not to the teaching of God's word as well so that kind of an individual they look for and I'll just read for the verse 23 and they propose two so they selected okay they selected Joseph called Basibus who was surname justice and Matthias so according to the apostles they picked two um you know suitable candidates so these were not like random people that they they put a lot for and picked so they were selected by the apostles there were two people it was 24 and they prayed and said you oh lord who know the hearts of all show which of these two you have chosen to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transmission fell that he might go to his own place 26 and they cast their lots and the lot fell on Matthias and he was numbered with the eleven apostles okay so we see that it's very very clear that a replacement for Judas is um sought for and two among you know two were picked by the people but they prayed and asked God God who do you want to put you know in in the place of Judas and the lot fell on Matthias now coming to the casting of lots you see in the old testament uh we we saw the practices isn't it we said you and the spirit of the lord would come upon a prophet so one would go to a seer to know the word of the lord but the old testament believers or under the old covenant people had the practice of casting lots and uh if we call you know Jonah when when they had to throw somebody into the sea for the sea to come down they the the people we don't know you know if they were devout Jews or what kind of Jews they were but they had the practice to hear from God let's cast lots okay so it's a it was if you want to call it so it was an act of faith on the part of the apostles here so they used that same practice of casting lots but it was an act of faith we would say so why did God allow them to cast lots you see it's only in the next chapter that you know after a few days that you would find the Holy Spirit being poured upon the people you know baptism in the Holy Spirit and then coming the the manifestation of the gifts of the spirit one of which is prophecy you know through which they could they could they could just prophesy and say you know and of course it's if the Lord were to reveal that to them they could have prophesied or got it in a dream or something like that and then pick Matthias but this happened before the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and that is why the casting of the lots is not negated okay so um as far as I'm concerned Louis I think uh from this passage uh it's quite clear that uh Matthias was a unanimous choice of the 11 and was God's choice in place of Judas and so I wouldn't even consider Paul to be put into this list of the apostles of the Lamb but yeah he will fit into the founding apostles category and I mean I would just let him stay there and not worry too much about apostle of grace and all that so I mean does it make sense or yeah pastor you are very you are very correct I understand your your thought is valid I understand that very valid um by just doing it for academic sake and the the thing is that Paul what he wanted is seen uh when this choice was about to be made Paul came about years later so they worked with what they had at the point in time and now but we have it in rest in retrospect that um they they they didn't know that Paul was going to come on the scene but we know the sequence of history now so we're trying to just oppose the the loopholes as they were quote the loopholes as they were so I'm saying that you are very correct I'm saying that just in retrospect that we have history to work with based on because even Peter had to consider say they think that Paul wrote were very hard to understand so they recognize that they have recognized the apostorship of of um of Paul but the choice already been made even before they are pouring out the Holy Spirit so if the spirit was there maybe they have not have used lots they will have used the the concept of the the the witness of the spirit so we are very I'm saying you are correct my point just that because we have the the patterns of history we are trying to see where they fit and if the choice is if you hold you know if you hold option now that's what I'm saying but you're correct my own that's not what you're saying okay yeah sure Louis uh so okay I have an echo of my own voice okay great um so I mean what I'm saying is uh uh you know the apostles of the lamb or whether it's Paul or you know other apostles will see some more names uh they're all apostles in their own right the way God has appointed them and so uh I mean I wouldn't I wouldn't want to worry too much about you know whether they fit into a certain category apostles of the lamb of founding apostles so everyone is an apostle of a certain type so you know I would be like okay fine you know let them be so uh what was their function I would probably be more concerned about that so that I can understand the outworking of the apostolic anointing what are the things that the apostolic anointing brings to the the uh family of God what does it bring to the world so you know that that perspective anyway nice discussion there and thank you for that question we'll move forward so I've just been touching on categories of apostles and I said okay there are the apostles of the lamb and there is the list of founding apostles who gave us uh the you know the the scripture that we still follow uh and then you know we we see that there is something called as the ministry gift of the apostles so remember I said that we can't uh we can't write out a book and say okay come on include it in the bible because we will never uh be one of the founding apostles but if God is called people in in the body right now to be in the office of the apostle uh yes that is acknowledged that will be affirmed uh just that the outworking of that anointing will be very different from the the out go outworking of the apostles of the lamb or the founding apostles so there are people today in the body of Christ who are appointed as apostles let's just read once again um you know uh Ephesians chapter 4 versus 11 and 12 a very familiar passage uh good to reread reread it once again Ephesians 4 11 and 12 please anyone Ephesians 4 11 and 12 yes and he himself gave some to apostles some prophets some evangelists and some pastors and teachers for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry for edifying of the body of Christ amen amen amen so you see that you know there is there is appointment of certain people in these offices okay so uh we we do accept people as prophets apostles pastors teachers evangelists uh in today's time God gives the anointing he gives the grace and you know there comes out the release of that anointing through people's lives uh now there can be you know we we will see uh later on that as you look at scriptures in the new testament there are many names mentioned as apostle so and so and apostles so and so and apostles so uh there can be um uh there are apostles you know across the board uh there can also be apostles uh of both the genders so there is a reference in roman 16 7 of um a lady by the name of junior who uh paul comments as a notable apostle okay so uh what we are saying is similar to what we said uh under the prophetic prophetic anointing is both for men and women uh the prophetic office can also be for men and women uh similarly talking about apostle office of an apostle there can be women also in the office of an apostles so roman 16 and verse 7 can somebody please uh turn to that a roman 16 and 7 can i read yes yes elasha thank you roman chapter 16 verse 7 greats adrenicos and joania my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners they are well known to the apostles and they were in christ before me so yeah there is a um you know that scripture also tells us that people junia was a woman and yet she was uh she was recognized among the apostles so uh what we'll do is i think we will stop with this and then we will begin with a study on the scriptures in the new testament that give us an idea of um you know who what the apostolic is all about you know from scripture so then we will try to build our understanding and then come to the practical aspects of you know how it is applied in our day and time uh so tomorrow we can begin with chapter two for now i'll pause here uh if at all you have any comments anything else that you want to share with the class then we can do that now can i say something ma oh yes yes louis please go okay um it's an observation i don't know if it's if it obtains in every any part of the world but there's a soft tool um conversation among the apostolic community that suggests that christ has to appear to you physically before you are authenticated as an apostle i don't know if that is correct or i don't know if that is um obtainable okay yeah uh thank you for sharing that louis so you see i mean that's the reason i i began by saying that um there's a lot of theories and philosophies out there about the apostolic so uh the best and the right way is to go from scripture so as we look at scriptures i think tomorrow uh we will have the answer to your question uh in short that's not required that's not necessary you know uh an encounter with christ doesn't make one necessarily i mean a lot of people have encounters with christ does that make them an apostle no right so uh anyway the answer is no you don't have to have an encounter okay all right yeah thank you louis and shikumar has a question here yeah i'll come to you say shikumar has a question here he says how can one someone come to know whether he is and called as an apostle or a prophet or a pastor so um two ways shikumar from the example of paul we we know got very clearly right even when he was having that encounter jesus spoke to him about you know you will go you will represent me to to leaders and things like that so at the very outset god can give a person clarity on their call so that is why sometimes to see like little kids they may be in school or you know i've heard of so many preachers who were preaching at the age of 10 at the age of uh you know 15 16 because the calling was very clear to them at the beginning so uh that way one can know that they are called to a certain office but it can be the other way as well which is one has no idea that they are called to be an apostle like peter is a good example you know peter he walked with jesus he was a disciple he knew he had to represent jesus and do the works of god and all but you see his his graph right it was like up and down and pretty chaotic but uh after the death and resurrection of the lord jesus something just came upon him you could say that because he was so different from the person he was when he denied christ you know during the trial but after the resurrection he was a new man and you know he was a completely new man after the baptism in the holy spirit and then you know he is he's he's very focused single-minded and going about his work so uh my inferences he probably did not have a good idea of what what god wanted to do through his life only later he realized so i i think both ways uh it can happen uh but for the second category what i say what i would say is just be obedient you know at this point in time god has called you to do something be obedient just keep being obedient and then you know eventually you come to recognize oh this is what god is doing this is where he's positioning me okay so yeah that's my answer and i hope your doubt is cleared thank you pastor thank you yeah sure thank you shri kumar oh we've run out of time with two hands raised and one uh okay so uh rose is um providing some clarification here she says uh peter was personally commissioned by the resurrected jesus to feed my sheep sure uh rose and you know you see again you know this came a little later right in the in the journey of peter that's what i meant in the beginning he didn't know but eventually he he knew his role okay so thank you for for sharing that and say elasha please hold on to your questions don't forget it we will we will take up your questions tomorrow and continue all right so let's okay mouth yeah yeah thank you thank you let's uh close with the word of prayer uh anyone yes elasha i'm guessing you want to pray father we thank you oh god okay louis go ahead no problem thank you mom uh father we thank you god we pray sincerely that everyone here finds the grace for which they were called oh lord in the name of the lord jesus we also pray for the boldness and this skill and understanding to work in this grace as we had thought in this class we thank you for our pastor and thank you for the utterance that you're giving her to speak the word of god with all boldness and not clear understanding thank you for everyone that today is blessed and we prospered dearly in lord in the name of jesus amen amen thank you thank you louis thank you everyone god bless you see you tomorrow we'll pick it up from there