 1996. Todd, I think you've been with us now for about a decade in these shows. It's been about a decade. Really? I don't think so. Sure. You were probably there on 1986. I think so. We got Todd Latoury. Maybe 87. Maybe 87. There it is. As usual, it's a must. We can't do these lists no longer without Todd. He's got to be participating in the big metal year of 1996. Not. Yeah. This is a rough decade. To say the least. Who's going to make it? Who's going to make it? I want to throw this out right at the beginning. Going over our list and seeing all these different bands. I want to know, I find 96 to be like the ground zero of a new heavy metal wave. I think it started in 1996 based on what some of the bands on our list and they were all searching. They all had their own unique style. They're kind of all searching to see what the next trend would be moving forward. So a lot of these bands that came up on our list, I was surprised to see how unique sounding they were. That's what I'm throwing out there. I think we're out of the grunge period and 96 is ground zero to build upon to where we are today. It's interesting. When did new metal start? Let's run this time, right? Or a little bit later. The Beastie Boy. I guess around this time. It was the Beastie Boy. No, new metal. Well, it was like rap and metal. It was kind of like the birth with the Beastie Boys and who else was it? Run DMC. And then it sort of transitioned into I did it all for the nooky, you know, and stuff like that, right? I don't know what you're talking about. Sure you do. It says new metal and you name four rap groups. All right. But Alan, I think you're touching upon something very important, right? We're seeing again, like you said, so everything's been wiped out and then the grassroots is slowly building up with a new genres and they're sort of growing, right? Mind you, there's still the traditional metal bands still out there carrying that metal flag, but yeah. Oh yeah. Todd, what do you want to say? Sorry to cut you off. No, just like limp biscuit. I couldn't stand that stuff. What about the Beastie Boys? I like the Beastie Boys because they were old school and they had like, even though they were sampled stuff, I mean they had Kara King play on Fight for Your Right. And kind of like Eric B. and Rock Kim in the rap world. They used a lot of like jazz, like jazz music and kind of like funk beats with like real, real drums and like real instruments happening, you know? But I don't know, the whole like, other than like Stuck Mojo, who I really liked, I don't know if you know who they are. So Rich Ward, who's in the band Fawzi, the band he was in way back was a band called Stuck Mojo and they were like metal groove music, like really cool music and but it was kind of more like kind of like a rap delivery, but it was was like way ahead of their time. Other than that, I never got into, you know, the limp biscuit stuff and that whole, I think it was a little later on. Yeah, but I mean, corn was out at this time and things were shifting and you were hearing, you started to hear more down like down tuned guitars. So I think this is around that time you start hearing them going from standard tuning of E and E flat, maybe drop D into C and B and A and like ridiculously low tunings. Yeah, my buddy Giles pointed out a big thing, you know, you had Black Sabbath who were dropping down all the way to C, the loosening the strings a lot and then you had the Grand Jira doing the same, right? They were kind of dropping the keys, so the tuning so much that had that really heavy depressing big sound, right? Yeah. Hey, real quick, you called this right from the get go. So our friend Pat, who's Greek says, so for today's episode I suggest we abandon the topic and Jimmy can tell us about his trip to Europe. Alan can recite some passages from the pop-off bubble and Todd can talk about his next album and Feta and somebody else said, Todd should write a track called Feta, please. Oh, it's a Tanvir. I saw Tanvir, by the way, I saw Tanvir in London. We had a nice little meeting right at Parliament Square there. So what? I think you froze, you froze, you froze. You're good now. Okay, you're good. All right. You saw what? Tanvir, where it says TMC, that's Tanvir, he's writing in, that's TMC, that's Tanvir, that's a guy's name. Oh, okay. Didn't know that. All right, let's rock. Guys, this is the criteria today. I want everybody to think about this as we're going through the list. We're going to put on our 90, 96 hat. Come on out. Come on out, put it on. I don't have no hat for 96. No hat for 96. This is the criteria we're looking at. This is the criteria you're looking at. I'm looking at. Critically acclaimed in 1996, when it came out, it was critically acclaimed. Stood the test of time today so you could put on the album and say, wow, this album is still great. Sales figures at the time, how it charted at the time, was a genre defining and wasn't an influential album. In other words, wow, this album was so great that so many other bands copied this band. And of course, the last one is, wow, that album was so great, but nobody ever heard about it. We could throw that in. Can we now throw that in? Yeah, and we'll have some honorable mentions at the end. All right, here we go. Number 10, guys, you're ready for this? I don't even know if Alan understands who's the number 10. Here he's already messed with the rules. I don't know what he's doing. All right. Okay. I see the list. I'm going to number 10 right now, guys. It's Manowar, louder than hell, and this is one of Alan's pick, sentenced down. So again, Manowar is not my pick. Okay, Manowar is my pick. Yeah, we're going to discuss this. So we're going to let everybody out there, okay, which one do you like better? Do you like Manowar or do you like Sentence Down? We couldn't decide which one we should put at number 10. So I go screw it. Let's just put both of them at number 10 and you out there decide and we can discuss. Alan, maybe you want to start off with your pick, Sentence Down. Why did you pick Sentence Down? Well, I think if Metallica and Kreuzer had a son who smoked a lot of pot, he'd be called Sentence. Okay, that's the feel I got. I mean, they just smoked camels. Go ahead. You know, doing this list, we get to revisit some of these bands that we didn't have the money, time or patience for back in 96. And this is definitely one that I would have probably purchased back then. So I was nice. I'm glad I came across it and doing the research for this list. And I think it merits to be on the top 10 list and not going with older, older bands that, you know, like Manowar that anything that they released, Jimmy's putting on the list automatically. So I'll let Todd weigh in on, I'm assuming you heard Sentence, just at least a little bit of it. I didn't. Okay. The brutally honest Todd Littori. Hey. So what are your thoughts on Manowar then? So, you know, I'm not into, I'm not a big fan of Manowar. I think they're exceptional at what they did. But people have to keep in mind. I'm not a fan of that type of power metal. The very, you know, I think it's the, I think it's the lyrics and just this like, we're brothers and we fight and that whole shtick. I just personally am not a fan of seeing bands like that live is, is fun in a big concert festival situation. It's a fun thing to watch. But it's, yeah, but it's not anything that I will ever buy or ever really listen to. And it's primarily because it's a lot of happy major chords. And it's that whole, you know, to the end and we're metal brothers and I don't like that stuff at all. So for me, I really, you know, that's all I can say. This is how I look at shirts. You have to take off your shirt when you sing those lyrics. You're going to need a bigger loincloth. Guys, Eric Adams, one of the greatest vocalists. He could have replaced Freddie Mercury in Queen if you asked me that that's how great of a vocalist he was and still a great singer. He's a, when you think about Manowar, you go, wow, this wasn't a platinum album, but you think of their influence. How many bands, a lot, how many clones have there been of Manowar? This album is just probably one of their strongest. They're anthemic. They bring in the crowds. They headline festivals in Mexico, all in Europe. They're headlining festivals in Europe. How many bands could even say that without even a platinum album? This is all word of mouth. To me, this deserves to be on number 10 because time has been very good to this band. You'll listen to this album today. You know, I get it, Todd. You know, the lyrics are not a little cheesy. We're talking 96. We're talking 96. We're talking about festivals in Europe today. No, but I'm just saying that their music was so timeless that today they're selling out festivals. Their music created such an impact around the world and this is a testament to their albums. And they were the only real metal band to be putting out a metal album in 96. Yeah. Like I say, they're great at what they do. It's just not my cup of tea. And to go to the Bible, I'm going to the Bible. Go to the Bible. Here we go. Yours is not even hot. I'm out of the sentence. It's not even hot. Five Manowar albums have made the top five hundred. This one didn't make it. So to say it's one of their best based on voting from other people now might be strong statement. Guys, courage to God's made heavy metal. What how much more heavy metal can you get than that? Return of the warlord. What number one outlaw outlaw. It's like a thrashy speed metal track. Oh boy. Guys, all right. Everybody out there. Alan, I heard your album. I heard the album you like. Okay. I go, it's okay. It's all right. Did it did it dent? Did it create a dent in the metal world? Did it create a dent in the musical world? It's more of a personal favorite, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Manowar one, I think you asked the listeners, the viewers, the question. Manowar one, but sentenced in the Bible. I'm just pulling up the Bible here. Sentence came in at what number? What number? Zero. 384 out of 500. Geez. Look at that. Crazy. Okay. It's in the book. It's in the book. Crazy, isn't it? No one's ever heard of it, but it's in the book. Yeah. I don't I don't know. I don't know it. You got another firm choice of nine or this is another either or. All right. Let's go to number nine. You know, and also like in 96, you know, I was still listening to like the albums that I liked from, you know, a decade, like the last 10, you know, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 years. So anything else that was new, that was coming out. It was kind of like, okay, yeah. And then I wasn't really digging. And so I was just going back into the stuff that I had been listening to. So I'm not particularly knowledgeable on albums that came in in 96. Strange enough, Alan, it didn't hit all the ticks on the boxes, except for one, critically acclaimed. If it's in Pop-Off's book, it's critically acclaimed sentence, right? There was some sort of critical acclaim for them fans and from the critics, right? And I agree with Todd. I was doing the same thing. I was listening to older material. I wasn't too interested, but it's fun to revisit some of these bands now. All right. Okay. Let's go to number. Yeah. I think number nine is also an either or situation. Here we go. You guys ready for this? Number nine. Let me see what it is. Okay. Oh, okay. I know my pick. Tool. Hanama. Hanama. Ahanama. I'm not even sure how you pronounce that. Ahanama. This binary you're doing. Number nine. Ahanama. Nine. Okay. I got a wrong list. I got, you must have a version 12 then. Ahanama. That sounds like a pain in the ass to say. And Virgin's Deal. So two very interesting names. Virgin's Deal, Marriage of Heaven and Hell, Part Two and Tool. I mean, Todd, I'll let you speak to Tool and Hanama. I don't know which one. Hold on. Hold on. Number nine. What are the options? Tool. Tool and Virgin's Deal, Marriage of Heaven and Hell. Okay. I'm looking at an email you sent me. Me too. And it says version 10. It's version 11. Don't say the other one. Don't say the other one because you're probably going to see it. I'm not going to. I'm not going to. I'm with you, Todd. I'm with you. He's got another list. He came up with another version, so. Guys, let's just deal with the version. We'll deal with what's in front of us. Look, when it's, you know, when it's the metal voice with Alan and Todd featuring Jimmy, we'll have the list. So, okay. So, are you asking me what I think? Yeah. I mean, if you were to pick one, Virgin's Deal versus Tool, which one do you want? I don't. I don't consider Tool a metal band. I think the Tool record is a better record than the Virgin's Deal one. But if you're going for more of that, you know, purest heavy metal thing, then obviously you're going to pick Virgin's Deal. But for my own personal taste, even though I'm not, I don't, I don't even like Tool. Like, I'm not a fan of, I've tried to listen to it and tried to love it. And they're, again, they're exceptionally great at what they do. Not my style. But I think for what they both are, I think that the Tool record checks those, that criteria more. That was a very big record. Huge record. Yeah, it was. Massive. And I think that that alone is a bigger record than that record was from Virgin's Deal. But maybe I'm wrong. And it certainly sold a shit ton. And the longevity is totally there because Tool is selling big numbers. So, that's my opinion. The Virgin's Deal, I listen to it and it's, you know, if you're into that, it's really cool. But if I had to weigh those, those two, even though I don't consider Tool a heavy metal band, I'm still going to pick the Tool one because I think overall it's a better album. Okay. Alan. Sorry. No, it's not me. It's you. So, you don't want any of them, Alan. You just, one or the other. One or the other. Everything tense. Well, I'm going with the Tool. I was surprised that I thought it wasn't something I was going to enjoy, but it was okay. I mean, a lot of songs sound similar, but again, going back to 96, this was huge. They were a huge band then. And I'm going to lean. Yeah, it was definitely something new to your ears, whereas the Virgin's Deal album, that could have been from 1986 and I wouldn't know otherwise. Yeah. It sounds like something from that era, from the 80s versus 90s to me. I would say. You had a very classic. I say Tool ticks. You guys said Tool ticks all the boxes. I agree with that. But I just find it's sort of like Jethro Tal meets Nirvana, right? It's always that sort of soft to distortion, soft to distortion, but I agree with your points. It hits the sales marks. It's a chart. It redefines music in a sense. They're still relevant today. They were relevant back then. People love the band. They sell out. But why Virgin's Deal? For me, first of all, number one, they're keeping the metal alive, right? They're playing straight ahead metal. Second of all, I think their influence has been missed. These guys started in the early 80s, probably 80 or 79. They were the first prototype of symphonic metal. And what symphonic metal is playing metal, heavy, power metal, power metal singing, adding a lot of keyboards, a lot of different sort of changes, key changes, and all that stuff that goes into Prague Rock. So I think they were and they were popular in Europe. And then from Europe came all these other night wishes and Tarion and all the other bands. So I think they played a bigger role in terms of defining a new genre and that was symphonic metal. That's my opinion. They did not tick off charting. Could have put it in the 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91. That's the case. No, I think they were they're breaking a lot of ground back then. They were breaking a lot of ground and they kept going. And you know what? Manowar, even though they're cheesy with the, you know, we're brothers of metal, these guys were tackling big subjects. And this album is the relationship between humanity and divinity. So I don't know. I think for me would be Virgin's Deal. You guys would be tool. So we'll ask everybody out there. There's the bait. There's the bait going on that it was even released in 96. Okay. So just a little sidebar was in 80, 95. Just a little sidebar. You know, I think most people are going on on the chat with Virgin's Deal. Some saying tools shouldn't even be on the list. They're not metal. You know, so I think Virgin's Deal wins this one among the listeners and feedback that I can read anyway. You know, and look for heavy metal, sure. But you know, It's a tough year guys. It's a tough year. It's a tough year. It's a tough year. Jimmy's going to keep going until you both give in Jimmy Fulabuster. All right. So let's go to the Bible. I stocked the deck. I stocked the deck. Go ahead. Yeah. Check it out. Virgin's Deal didn't make it. Jesus. Cool. I'll let you guys guess. 500 where they come in. This particular album comes in. 50. It's in the book, right? Yep. It's in the book. So somebody considered metal. I'm going to say 35. 128. Wow. Okay. That was way off. It's all right for number eight. Carlos has said Virgin's Deal five times. He was Virgin's Deal, Virgin's Deal, Virgin's Deal, Virgin's Deal. So that I just want to point out. Don't make fun of people that stuttered you. That's not, that's not, that's cruel. All right. Let's see what's next on the list here. Number eight. Oh, I just had it. I see we didn't come up with a list. Yeah. So Jimmy, you got to tell the list because we're shot. And the duh. Okay. Actually, this is another either or situation. Oh, geez. This is. You get 20 albums of the top 10. O-Path or October rush by a type O negative morning rise. O-Path, O-Path all day. This isn't even a conversation. Not even a conversation. Okay. Now I'm getting one because I'm agreeing too much with Todd. So I'm starting to get worried. So the Venmo went through. I had to check that. I can't. O-Path morning rise, morning rise. O-Path morning rise and what do you say? Virgin steel. No, not virgin steel. Type O negative. Oh, type O negative, October rush. Yes. Go ahead. It's type O-Path every time on that. That's not even a question. I mean, yeah. I don't even know what else to say. I feel stupid that I have to exaggerate or expound on it. Again, this is my first listening to O-Path. And I'd rather eat razor blades and listen to those vocals, but the music is unbelievable. I was surprised at how strong of an album this was. But I mean like O-Path does also sing. Sing. It's not all gutter rolls. Well, it's like 80, 90% gutter roll on this album. You see, for me, O-Path, they come into their own later on on future albums. And I could say, wow, that's amazing. But I just find it's all scattered. It's all scattered, the musical stylings. Like, oh, some folk. Oh, some death metal growls. Oh, so pleasing. It's definitely, yeah. They're very eclectic and progressive. And there's a lot going. There's a lot of different stuff. You cannot pigeonhole O-Path. But I just find that they're just kind of, is this their second album? They're not there yet as a band. Like they're still growing and learning their craft. And they're getting better. And I just find that this album just doesn't do it for me. Whereas October Rust by Typo Negative, I think it's probably their best album. And I just love his singing. Peter Steele's singing on this. It's just, wow, he just puts so, it's so precise. And he puts so much effort in. You can hear it and you put on headphones. You can hear how precise he is. And I just love the guitar tone. It sounds bizarre. And it's like, wow, this is something new. This is a new genre he's just created of some sort. So there's somebody with the name Gas Masks and Hand Grenades. Says, Todd's wrong. October Rust is killer. Morning Rise is one of O-Path's weaker albums, to be honest. First of all, I don't know what I'm wrong about. Because all I did was say that it was, I thought it was hands down better than Typo Negative for what we're talking about. Now, if you're saying, if the person's saying I'm wrong about that, you know, then they should have said that. But unless they, if they want to comment and say, yes, that record, while it might not be the best O-Path record, is better to them than the Typo Negative record, or do they think Typo Negative record is better than the O-Path record? So I'd be curious if that person wants to respond. You know what's amazing? These two bands kind of use the same sort of sounds. They're very folk sound, a lot of acoustic stuff going on. The singing, when he does the clean stuff on O-Path, it's sort of very similar to Peter Steele. So there's a lot of mood going on on both albums. Do you think that, do you consider Typo Negative metal? You know what, I think they're a metal band, but this is less of a metal album, right? I think they've had more metal. They're more doom, if anything. And they're alternative metal. So do you consider tool metal? And I don't know where I sit with tool. I'm just wondering if you can consider one metal and one not, because I don't consider either of them really metal. But then again, it's a hard thing to define as we've done over these shows, where you say, well, they've got the distorted guitars. They've got the, you know, you start checking off those elements, right? And you go, well, how can you say that's not metal? And so even that's a subjective thing, very subjective. But in this era in 1996, this is what the metal heads were gravitating towards, right? Or this was being played. This was, but was, yeah, sure. Right. All right. So they were grabbing for any kind of lifesaver that would get them into the metal community, I guess. So the good news, guys, boys, both albums made the top 500. There we go. I'll let you guys decide which one placed higher based on the voting for this book. I would think type of between who open and typo negative these two albums. Oh, I think typo negative is higher. Okay. You're both correct. Type or negative. October, this comes in at number 152. Ouch. And open morning rise comes in at number 403. Wow. That's a big, it's not like virgin steel numbers. At least they got some numbers. Yeah. All right. Number seven. So I guess it's, it's, has it been decided? Does the people, do the people watching out there, do they prefer typo negative or opeth to be our number? I mean, they're saying, some people are saying, you know, typo is definitely metal. I hear opeth. Oh, now opeth to make it come back. Oh, here it comes. Here it comes. Typo. Okay. Lucia, Lucia, come on. Yeah. Come on, metal. Either say typo negative or opeth. So we can decide. Yes. Don't write neither, please. It's, it's, it's a, well, maybe we'll go at the end. Oh, you know what, I got to say, you know, Carlos, who wrote again three times opeth. I'm not sure if that counts. No, it counts as one five times. Take it easy, buddy. Okay. Well, I don't know. It's pretty split. Okay. So yeah. All right. This is pretty split. Like I'm, I don't know what's going to happen here. Like I, I see. Oh, let's go to number seven. I'm surprised that there's a split decision between typo negative and opeth, but that's, that's crazy. That's why we do these lists. Everybody's entitled to their opinion. But only ours. Oh, Carlos. Okay. I would say opeth has a slight lead if I was going to base it on what I'm seeing here. Because Carlos just basically stuffed the ballots. We stuffed them out. Okay. And by the way, listen to Cinnamon Girl, the cover by Neil Young on, on a typo negatives album. They do a great job. They just take it to another level. It's like, it's not, they just take that song and just take it to another beautiful song. Okay. Here we go. What do we add Alan? What number? Seven, but you let us know what you put. Yeah. I don't even know what it is now. Word number seven. Yeah. I mean, I don't even know what that is. Rage against the machine, evil empire, empire, empire. Here's one that I say is this metal. Because I listened to it a few times. I'm like, I don't know. I know they get lumped in, but man, I don't know if this is a metal level. Again, it goes back to, you know, they have the attitude. They have aggression. Yeah. They're not singing in a metal style. I never considered rage against the machine a metal band. But there are elements that one could argue. You know, I mean, just looking at this album cover, takes me back to 96. You saw this album cover everywhere in 96. This was huge. And that was a, what was the charting on that album? Oh, it did well. I got to look it up. But it definitely charted. It definitely sold. We're talking about millions here. So people are saying rap rock and rock. Cami rock. Come on, dude. Somebody goes, Cami rock. Cami rock. Actually, that was the, that was in hip rate, at least to call them Cami metal or something like that. I mean, I threw Jimmy a bone. I know he's a huge fan of rage against the machine. I like rage against the machine. You gotta put it on. Just so I can hear Jimmy tell us how great it is. What does Cami rock even supposed to mean? Socialist rock. I guess, I guess, or I guess. Fuck yeah. All right. So let's think about it this way. They released three studio albums of original material rage against the machine. Yeah. They had, they were big back then. And they are bigger than they've ever been today. Right. I don't know. It's because they stopped playing for a while and they just kept building and building. I don't know. But the songs resonated with people. If you're on the left side of the political spectrum on the right side, you still could find something there to make you pissed. You could still use, it's kind of like we're not going to take it the song. It just connects with everyone. And I don't know, man. I just probably one of the greatest frontmen and the singer there. And I know he's rapping, but there's an aggression. There's a certain style. There's a certain. You know what? They're, they're lyrics and they're message. Is, is great. A few, I won't do what you tell me. You know what I mean? That resonates with everyone. That's a common message. That's a, that's a global message. You know? Yeah. Isn't that what Donald Trump pretty much says all the time? So everybody says the right to argue for that. And then people on the other side could say the same thing to the other side. So, you know, not, not to, you know, without letting go that Tom Morello has a degree in political science. He's not just some guy that plays guitar and just says whatever he wants. Like the dude is very intelligent. And, you know, I think he got a great, you know what? And, you know, he also took the guitar to another, you know, and I wouldn't say another level, but he brought it to another. Yeah. Interesting. Interest interim, I would say. An interesting, you know, sort of, you know, he plays around with sounds a lot in his guitar. Right. Great guitarist, great guitarist. So I think they deserved number Allen seven. Seven, yeah. Does everybody agree or disagree? Hey, just do your thing. It'll work out. Evil Empire. Empire. All right. All righty. A lot of people are very upset about this. Spoken out, yeah. It's 96, man. We're grasping at straws here. People are dissing Tom Morello. You know what's funny about Tom Morello? He was a yellow Harvard. He was rebelling against the system. Now he's part of the system. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. But anyway, so I digress. Okay, here we go. Number six, Jim. Number six. By the way, that, that album Rage Against the Machine made it in the top 500, but not for that album. Okay. Here we go. Corn. Life is beachy. It's a really good album. Okay. Well, I'm not going to say much about this album. Go ahead. Yeah. I think that was my, I'm the one who told you to, that was one of my picks. Yeah. You know, look, you can't deny that when they came out, you know, they were really doing down tunings. He was doing vocalizations that you really kind of never heard before. They were not doing any guitar solos. But it was a very unique thing. And they introduced something new and a style and a sound that was new, that whether you like it or don't like it, nobody can say that, you know, they didn't, they weren't part of create, of a band, you know, they created a sound and a style that was totally fresh to our ears. I think it's a really good record. If you're into that style, if you're not into it, fair enough. But I think it, and I don't know what it sold. Maybe Google how it charted, what it did, what was the reception? It did very well. It did very well. I'm going to look it up. But Alan. Shoot me right friggin now. That was my takeaway. Okay. I'm kind of like, I can respect what they've done. I could respect that people enjoyed the music. And they're still popular today. But I got to tell you, I can't get past the second track. I've tried so many times. I don't know. I just kind of like, I like singing, you know, and I find that this is more, as you would say, percussive singing, Todd. Yeah. I don't know. It's kind of. He usually will do that. And then it's weird because sometimes they'll do that on a verse and then open up on a chorus with a bigger melody. And then there's times where he'll do the opposite and he'll do something like that in the verse. And then the chorus comes in. It's very staccato and choppy and percussive. I mean, I don't know what the numbers are, but I have to think that was a huge album. That was a massive record in 96, as we considered the climate. Yeah. If somebody could type in, because I just can't find the list with all the information. If someone could just see how many albums it sold, I'm pretty sure it hit a million. I'm pretty sure it did. Oh, sure. Yeah. But like I said, I'm like Alan, I just, I can't get past song two or maybe even half a song one. I tried. I really did try. But I'll tell you, my younger cousin, he picked up the bass because of that band. So it spoke to a generation, right? Yeah. It was very inspirational to a lot of people. Yeah. Charts. So, okay. While you're looking at it. Sorry. Yeah. Oh, it peaked at number three on the Billboard 200 and then peaked at number one in New Zealand. The album sold, wow, 106,000 copies in the U.S. in its first week of release. It went platinum in 97, January of 97, the same year. It was certified double platinum in the U.S. in November of 99 and it has, as of 2019, it's sold over 6 million copies. Oh, there you go. Yeah. And I'm sure they can play stadiums. Well, I wouldn't say stadiums, but festivals, right? They can talk, you know. Yeah. It says that it, it says that it, it says that it received mixed reviews from critics. Anyway, Alan, you were going to... Two corn albums made the top 500, but this was not one of them. Really? Really? Wow. The other two for the information was the eponymous album and the second one was Follow the Leader. Follow the Leader was really good. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. So, it didn't even make the, didn't make the top. What is that? It made the Bible. Folks, what do you think of corn being on the list as number, I don't know what number it was. It was number six. So, what do you think about number six? Corn, yes or no? Good or bad idea? Let us move on, shall we? Number five. Number five. Now we're getting into it. Unless you guys don't know what we're going to be talking about. We don't know what it is. We actually waited to hear what you came up with. There's two actually. This isn't either or a situation. I figured we'll take two power metal bands and pit them against each other. Stradivarius episode at Impilatary Screaming Symphony. So, I added Stradivarius because if we're looking for that vein of music, they're both good at what they do, but I kind of prefer this album episode to the Impilatary. Okay. So, same here. I agree with Alan. Look, I love Rob Rock's voice who sings with Impilatary. Obviously, Chris is a smoking guitar player. However, and I encourage anyone that wants to fuck with me about this, go listen to the Impilatary album. Song, individually, the songs are really good. When you play it as an album, I think the first four or five songs, literally, they're almost the identical tempo, same kind of intro, and back two and eight, I think, are almost the identical riff, which is very similar to Stand Up and Shout from Dio. So, if you listen to those, there's really no separation of the songs. It almost sounds like kind of the same song, with the exception of a couple of them. Again, if you just heard one song on its own, awesome. But as a full body of work, I don't know how they didn't catch that almost every song starts with the same kind of guitar, tuning the same sound, a lot of the same style, almost the identical tempo. And I was really blown away at that. And for me, that alone is a deal breaker. It's so amazing because you're saying the same thing I feel about Strativarius. You know, it's the same double bass drum. It's the same vocal line. It's the same tempo, it's exactly identical. And I find the songs a little more unique within Pelletieri. I like his guitar shredding. I like listening to it. It's very melodic in the way he plays. I like his neoclassical kind of feel when he's playing. So, if I was going to pick one, I would definitely lean more towards in Pelletieri versus, but I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying. But I find Strativarius very generic, if you ask me. I do get tired of the, you know, that I don't want to start naming other bands, but I don't think that would be moving professionally. But there are bands that are that constant, you know, that double bass the whole time. And it does get very monotonous. And look, visually, I really like the songs on the in Pelletieri album. I just thought when I listened to it, that stood out to me more. And maybe it's because a lot of them, you know, just started, would sound like the same kind of chord or tuning or, you know, this intro. And then the drums came in, but I don't know. It, you know, we're having to like rip shit apart that we otherwise never would. Like in our own personal lives, we wouldn't be, I don't want to say chastising, but this critical, but because we have to like try to make a show out of it. Somebody has to do it, Todd. Somebody has to do it. Yeah. And it's today. Well, say hello to a bad guy, you know. Tanvir says in Pelletieri's like Feta made from cow's milk. It shouldn't happen. First of all, gotta go for the goat. Gotta go for the goat. First of all, there is no Feta with cow's milk. That's just fucking white cheese. So, but I get your point. I mean, two bands that were more in the classic sounding metal, carrying the torch back in 96. And one of these bands, one of these albums, I should say, made the top 500. I'll let you guys guess which one. I would say Strativarius. I'm going to say Strativarius, too. Yeah. Strativarius comes in at number. Yeah. I don't guess. I guess. I was going to say 418. I'm kidding. There you go. He nailed it. And Pelletieri didn't make it. But I bet you in the Japanese version of this book and Pelletieri is like number one. Way up. Way up. Yeah, for sure. Good album. Both good albums. Yeah, yeah. Actually, you know, to me what I like about it's kind of, it's got a little tint of Boston, you know, meets Van Halen meets Randy Rhodes. It's got all that same Pelletieri for me. But Strativarius to me is like, oh, is this Halloween? Well, I get it. I get it. That seems bad. I think I like, I prefer the music of Chris and Pelletieri more. Yeah. But again, for me, it was the things that I said before. Gotcha. It was just, it was like really like, just kind of a little off-putting. I think from the people who are watching, the consensus is Strativarius episodes. Or is it episode or episodes? Episode. Episode. Episode. So I think that is the consensus from what I'm seeing. I do not see as much in Pelletieri love that I'd like to see. But that's what it is. Okay, Carlos. Carlos, you can rate it three times. Let's get to number four. Let's get to number four. Alan's hungry. Alan's hungry for supper. Let's get to number four. Jimmy, how long are we going to be? 45 minutes? Mine. My chicken is cooking. Get mine. Get mine. All right. Number four. Number four. Guys, do you remember what number four is? Nope. Yes. There it is. Halloween. Halloween. The time of the oath. Darker and heavier than his predecessor, Master of the Rings. But hey, Hello, Weed is back. Two consecutive albums. This one's concepts based on the prophecies of Notre Dame. Intro, Yuli Koush on drums following the tragic passing of Ingo Schwatenberg. It was such a strong album. Actually, the Double High Live album was based on the tour. So they were back stronger than ever after the disappointing Chameleon and Pink Bubbles go ape. So I think this reestablished infirmly as the band in the Halloween. Halloween is the band in the middle community back in 1996. So that's my thoughts. This is featuring Andy. When did Kiske leave? He left after Chameleon. Yeah. So Master of the Rings. Well, this is the second Andy Darisal. Master of the Rings was the first Andy. Unless I got like, unless I was listening to a bad audio, the mix, the vocals are buried. They're buried. If the mix sucks, you can't even hear the singing. It's like you have to really concentrate. They need to be. So whoever mixed that was. They were happy to go back with the. Was it Tommy Hansen who mixed that? Or recorded? I think it was done on purpose, Todd. I shouldn't say, hold on. Let me let me retract the statement. Sorry, hold on. I shouldn't say the mix sucks. I should say the level of the vocal was buried. I don't want to say them. I don't want to trash the mix. I want to say I shouldn't have said that. I think the vocal is just buried and it makes it really hard to listen to. So Tommy Hansen did produce it and he did mix it and they were happy at this time to be back with him after after going with Chris Tangarides on some of the previous ones. So they were they stood by him on this. And but I didn't I didn't notice. I listened to it before we got on. I didn't notice that. I got the CD here. As it was like. I got to tell you something in 1996 with Tool, the sort of thing that they did when they were sort of mixing albums, they bring the vocals back to the same levels as the guitar. So they pulled back the vocals. The 80s was very that the vocals were up front. Then they pulled all the vocals back. If you listen to Tool on the headphones, it's just as loud the guitar as the vocals are. So this is like a mixing. I wouldn't call it a technique. I would say sort of a fad where the vocals are in line with the rest of the music. They don't pop out. They just in line with it. So if you listen to music in the 90s, that's what they were doing. Not all the bands, but many bands, right? So Lucia says, blabbermouth headline tomorrow. Todd says, Halloween sucks. I don't think so. He never said that. He never said that. And I misspoke and said the mix sucked. The mix doesn't suck. The vocals are just too quiet. That's why I said. Yeah. I agree with Alan. I don't hear it. I think this is one of their strongest albums with Andy. And I think the rawness that people hear was done on purpose because they were so polished from the chameleon album and that whole kisky sort of thing that happened and the band broke up and they had to start over again. So they wanted to start off as a sort of raw, powerful, and they wanted to rebuild that sort of from the grassroots up again. So I think that's what they were after. They were after sort of like a very raw sound. And I think they achieved that and there's great songs. And I'm not going to name the songs, but I think, you know, 100,000 units sold in Japan. An interesting side note, Steele Tormenter, at that time, like he was listening to Ripper Owens, Judas Priest, because Ripper Owens was in the band and he wasn't digging as much as the earliest priest songs. So he said, I'm going to write a song called Steele Tormenter in the early Judas Priest vein so I can listen to it at my home whenever I want and get into what priest was, the priest that he preferred rather than the Ripper Owens year. So yeah, yeah. But you know, me and Alan were fans of Halloween and even in this era here. I remember buying it and I thought I was really impressed at the time. They were kind of like one of the few metal bands that were like raw, like real. This was heavy metal as we know it, right? As we loved it. This is like the Paul Deanna of Iron Maiden, heavy metal. And then did it make the top 500? Yes or no? I think 450. I think it made it. I don't know. This Halloween album did not make the top 500. It's in another book, the top 600. So I'm wondering of all, you know, like what did make it in 1996 into that book? You know what I mean? That's what I'm curious about. Yeah. Yeah. I'll get you. I'll get you a list at the end. Okay. Okay. We're up to number three. Three. Okay. All right. Number three. You guys ready, Todd? Yeah. What's number three? Sopaltura Roots. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's a very well-known album, a coveted album. I think it was the last record with Max. Was it the last record with Max? Yeah, it was. It was on vocals, yeah. Yeah. Went to like this, you know, tribal-y thing and it's a big record. It's talked about a lot still today. Here's one that checks all those boxes. I think you mentioned at the beginning, Jim. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was relevant back then, just as relevant today. And it sold and it sharded, right? And this is like the first album that they were really concentrating on putting their Brazilian musical influence or the sort of their traditional Latin influences into the music. And you can hear in the drumming and, you know, like Joe's drum patterns and I don't know about the vocals, but they were more aggressive the vocals. It peaked at 27 on the US Billboard 200. Yeah. It certified. It certified as gold in the US. It had 500,000 copies. Yeah. You listen to a song like Breed Apart, you can see how unique sounding this band was at that time. So, yeah. Yeah, I mean, they're still a big band, but yeah, I think it was definitely a worthy album to go on the list for sure. Look, not one of my favorite bands, not one of my favorite albums, but I get it. You know, it's just a big album, you know, and I can respect that. I can definitely respect that. Yeah. The four Sepultura albums made the top 500. Is this one of them? Yes. Absolutely. 75. Not the highest placing. Let me take a guess. But let's come in at number 170. That's high. That's high album. Yeah. At a top 500. Virgins still didn't even make the book. So, and Halloween didn't either, right? No, Halloween did not. Okay, there you go. And neither did Manowar. But six Manowar albums did. They go back to your point at how popular they are just. Okay. Let's get to number two. Number two. I think this got Todd's name all over it. Oh, yeah. I don't know what number two. You don't know what number two is? Pantera, the great Southern Treadkill. Yep. I want to see what the, what some of the stats are. The G-Notes? Hang on a second. Yep. Yeah. Pantera. Like, I'll start off. First of all, I don't get it, but I get it. I get it. I remember to Alan's point how Evil Empire was all over the record store. So was this album cover. You can walk into any record store without seeing this album cover. Dude, it reached number four. All my friends love this band. I don't get it. I can't listen to it. I can't listen to it. I don't see what everybody says. Dimebag is one of the greatest guitarists. I don't hear it. I think he's a good guitarist. I just don't think he's no Eddie Vanuent. But that's just me. He was, he was very creative. But I can respect what they've done and I can respect their legacy. He was very creative, very unique, cool style, very groove oriented. You know, it was a powerful record. It went platinum, sold a million copies. So you can check that off your cute little box. And, you know, again, in 1996, there wasn't like a lot of what was really going on. This was a big deal in 1996. Well, I think we established that in, I think, 95 or one of the other lists with Bulgarian display of power, right? We, you said that it was a different generation, the upcoming generation, that that's, that's all they had to grasp onto it. Boy, did they ever grasp onto it. I mean, even today, there's controversy about touring without the members and going out there. That's how passionate their fans are. And that's how passionate their fans were back then. Yeah. I think it's not going to leave Jimmy hanging. I think it's the vocals. I agree with what Jimmy said, but I won't leave your hanging, buddy. Thanks. Thanks, Alan. I'll get Bill up. You know what, think of how many singers sound like what Phil was doing back then. Everyone. It's so many. Like he, you know, he was influence. He's the guy. He's one of those guys. You're going to blame a guy, it's him. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody says no, no overkill, no list. Hello. Listen, I respect Pantana. If that many, so many people love this band. You can't say I'm wrong. They're right. Or sorry. I can't say I'm right and they're wrong. My point is I don't get the vocals. I don't get the aggression and everybody keeps saying, die bags the best guitarist ever. I'm like, okay, he's good. I don't know. I mean, I'm supposed to like him because everybody says he's the greatest guitarist ever. I don't hear it. I don't see it. Yeah. It doesn't appeal to you. It doesn't mean that he's not regarded as a great guitarist in the guitar world because he is. But that doesn't mean that you have to particularly like it. Or even if you don't see that, you know, some people say, I mean, some people are like, oh, you know, Eric Clapton is like, you know, the greatest guitarist that ever lived or Jimmy Page. And, you know, there are people that like, and they would think about it as a technical thing and be like, not even close. But then you look at him as a songwriter and you're like, okay, close. You know, it depends on the criteria of what you're even saying makes a great guitar player. Some shred guy or somebody that plays like David Gilmore. Because I would take David Gilmore any day of the week over a shreddy speed guy. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. But I wouldn't tell you that 20 years ago. You know, so even that has, you know, as it's, you'd have to define what it even means as great. I like power metal by by Pantera. That is an album that I do like. But after the growling started and the screaming started, I don't know. It works for me for one or two songs. And then it sort of becomes like, it comes like Opeth, you know, just the grunts and the grunts and the grunts. And I find that artists are limiting themselves when they kind of do one thing, you know. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I agree. I mean, there's only there's only so much you can do. It's just like having just a distorted guitar channel and going. Good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good. Like everybody calls you a genius. Yeah. Well, you know, when you have other colors and things to play with with your instrument. Now, you know, there's, you can, it opens doors that otherwise you wouldn't be able to do, you know. So like when they did, what is that? Planet Caravan and he sang on that. But if you listen to like, I mean, we love Rob Halford's voice, but if you listen to songs like Heresy and stuff like that, I mean, he or Shattered, the song Shattered off Cowboys from Hell, if you listen to Shattered, dude, it's, it's like Rob Halford, painkiller style vocals. I mean, he's, he's vibratoing like you like, he's hitting really high stuff. And he's like singing like a real, what we like metal singing. And, you know, then when Vulgar to Sway of Power came, then you kind of forgot all that he quit doing some of the higher things like that. But so what number do you think this came in in the top 500? Okay, I have a question. Yep. Is that so that book? I don't have that. There's no Bible in my house. That, that book, it gives you, it's the top 500 of, of like, like how far does it span? Well, it's whoever voted. I mean, people voted Uriah Heap back in 73 into this book. So we're Queen. Okay. Okay. So we say we have to take into consideration this book, it was published. That's because there is a cut up. It was originally published in 2000. So we're going to say, well, we do 2004. So 2004 we got to stop. Yeah, yeah. This is of all time or just of this year that it does that. This is, this is, he did, what are the top 500 albums of all time? So you know he did, Todd. Todd, he did it statistically. He sort of went and he- Yeah, it was a big consensus and he, yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to say 95. Jimmy, do you want to guess or? I would say it's up there. I would say 65. 149. Wow. Yeah. I thought after I said that I thought, okay, of all time I'm being a little high. Look at this. Jimmy, Rachel here, myself and my parents are at the lake until the 29. What is that code? What is it saying? All right, let's get to number one. I don't know what that means. Someone's at the lake. I got to go to the lake apparently. The thermometer just popped on his little turkey cooking, so. Todd is the guy who saves the show every time. You're like Superman or something. All right, are we at number two or number one? I don't remember. Number one, just to say it. That's what your fingers are for, Jim. Okay, guys, you ready for this? Alan, do you have the album in front of you? No, I don't. Okay, so I have to just show the graphics. That's what it is. You go ahead. Is everybody ready? Boom. Ice, earth, the dark saga. Did it make you a list? Everybody out there, did it make you a list? There's your number one. Yeah, quite controversial because John Shaver and all the trouble he's in, but Matt Barlow. Okay, that's not our voice. It's not even, we're talking 96 here. Yeah, we're talking 96. Don't need to bring up anything else. But he was just starting his chapters. All right, 96. You know what surprised me about this? They're mostly all three-minute songs. He was able to tell a whole story with only three-minute songs. Yeah, this too. Yeah, and when you have few people that are singing like that, you know, Shaver is like one of the greatest rhythm guitar, metal guitar players to do, you know, he can do that all night long. And it's, it always amazes me whenever I see him do that. It's, yeah, I mean, what can you say? My wife plays this stuff in the house constantly. This record is played at our house very frequently. And it was recorded in my own backyard at Morissan in Tampa. There you go. And this is a concept album. A lot of people forget that, right? This is a spawn and songs like I Died for You, The Dark Saga, Violate, The Hunter, you know, they, what, when Iron Maiden dropped the ball, Ice Earth picked up the ball and they sort of carried on that sort of tradition of this is a heavy metal, bad, big concepts, you know, a big, I wouldn't say big recording, but, you know, more complex record arrangements, killer vocals. And like you said, Todd, this rhythm guitar was great. It's just, it's just, yeah, everything's there. Everything's there, man. A question of heaven. He's brutal. I mean, and he's hybrid too, Matt Barlow. He's brutal, but he can do, he can, yeah. He can go a lot of places. Yeah. For sure. He did a great job on this album, particularly so. All right. And there you have it. Does everybody agree that this should have been Ice Earth 1996? Our choice for number one is the lowest in the Bible, the lowest charting Ice Earth album. But it does come in at? 70, 378. Wait, what are we doing? We're doing the, what the Bible says about this album. The Dark Saga. It ranks. Oh, I'm going to put that in the 60s. 264. Wow. Not even halfway. Here, let me show everybody the album here. Oh, sorry, wrong one. Oops, sorry, oops, sorry, wrong one. So I think we've established that bands from amorphous all the way through to nevermore neurosis, they're all trying to sound very unique sounding bands throughout our list, I think proves that. We've got the historic Halloween as with other bands like corn and typo negative that might, or there was one Rage Against the Machine, but not even considered metal. So crazy, crazy times back in 96. So what else are you saying? Somebody's saying if you have Ice Earth, you should have had Manson, not even close. No, I don't, I don't see the connection. You know, here's a call with Marilyn Manson. I don't hear the connection, but. Marilyn Manson was more image driven than he was song driven. And he, you know, the other bands thought that, that made the ground 500 from that year. Amorphous. I would say Cradle of Filth. Carcass, Swan Song. Carcass, Authority, Wise Blood. But I would have put that, but it's not weird. I don't know, it doesn't sound too metal to me. Edge of Sanity, Crimson. Neurosis through Silver and Blood. Nevermore the politics of ecstasy. And what else? I think we covered the rest. Was Cradle of Filth there? Oh, Angra. Angra. Angra Holy Land. Yes. Thank you, John. Can you hear me? Yeah. Can you hear me? Yes. Yes. Cradle of Filth. Okay. Cradle of Filth, yes. Yeah. Was that 96? Well, I didn't make the book. It didn't make the list. Is that what the question was, if it made the book? No. No, it was an honorable mention, and then yes. Oh, there you go. Well, I mean, let's look at the texts here of other. Sorry, you've talked. Cradle of Filth, Dusk and Her Embrace did make it. Came in at number 271. Okay, there you go. There you go. I hear Gravedigger, Toons of War. I don't know. Yeah, it's okay. Okay, Rushes, Test for Echo by Tanvir. I don't know Tanvir. Had some really good songs on it, but it lacked. There was a lot of filler there, too, at least in my opinion. Merciful Fate into the Unknown. Look, I'm the biggest Merciful Fate fan here, and if I'm not putting it on the list, I think it kind of lacks. It's good, but it's not great. It's not No Melissa. Is that it? Yep. We're not going to please everybody. We're not going to please everyone. It's not, we're not talking 87 here. Overkill, their album. Look, here's the, I think it's, which one is it? Killing Kind, is that it? I heard it. I've heard it many times before. I find that half the album is fantastic, and the other half it kind of loses me a bit. They've done way better albums than that. Corrosion of conformity is what parents say. I don't hear it. Joshua is saying Angry Machines by Dio, probably Dio's weakest album, in my opinion. Alan, what do you think? Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't disagree. Motorhead? What do you think about Motorhead's album that came out in 96, Alan? You're a big Motorhead fan. I know, you're the one that had it on your list, original. Just put it on my list originally, just so we could talk about it. No, no, no. Somebody's asking if Soundgarden is considered metal. I wouldn't say metal. I think we covered that with super unknown. Overnight Sensation, now it's a Motorhead Overnight Sensation. I don't know. It's got some, it's got its moments, but is it considered one of the best of 96? Eternity by Anathema? Never heard it. Deep Purple perpendicular, it's okay. And Mike is saying the last song on Angry Machine is amazing. Yeah, it is amazing, but I mean, are we going to base? Dude, I feel like we're the old guys up in the balcony in the Muppets. Just like trash everything and we're throwing popcorn. And I think symbolic acts 95 missed the beginning of the show because that came out with sentence with one of the suggestions. So yeah, that was Alan. So somebody's saying Annihilator and then In Flames. And look, there's a bunch. Demi Borgher. There's a bunch of bands, but you know, you got to cut it off somewhere. Yeah. Well, the old guys. And we'll get today. Here's the good news, everyone. You can build your own show too and have your own list. And I encourage you to do that. Put your top 10 list on a t-shirt and mail it to us, please. Oh, we forgot. Do we forget about this one? Oh, this one. Man, I work. I really cover that one, Mike. Get about this one. Look at this. Look how cool that is. That's the coolest. Toddlatori, your next album. I want something like this. Toddlatori, too. Toddlatori made of steel. Something like that. What do you think? Just take your shirt off. You have a hammer and just, I don't know, maybe that. Dude, instead of being waterboarded or something, you have a wrench. Instead of being waterboarded, there's going to shove a brick of feta in my mouth where I can't breathe. You break the feta like this without your shirt off. Instead of bathing in a tub full of baked beans, you'll be bathing in a tub full of feta. Olive oil. What's up with that? Olive oil. Guys, it's been a pleasure. Oh, this one is like, hold on. Guys, guys, guys, they didn't realize this. Oh, no, there you are. It's a poster. I can hang in there. I can sleep in it. You better put that on your bedroom wall, Jim. And the lyrics were Todd. Hey, where do you think you got it from, Alan? We're not judging anybody. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, if you read one verse and you'll kind of say what I'm saying. Anyway, all right, guys, before you go, what's new in your world, anything you want to plug, anything you want to get off your chest, everything you do, an exciting tour schedule, next solo album. I'm working on new songs for my next solo record. I just got back from playing in Seattle, Washington. And I think our next show is Sturgis. So I'm doing things around the house. And with my wife, she's been organizing a bunch of stuff. I'm kind of helping her a little bit here and there and soaking up the AC because it's hot as hell. And then she's going to help me organize my studio and clean up out there. So I'm just doing home stuff and saw my mom spending time with Vader. And that's kind of it. Yeah, a little downtime coming up where we have like every weekend for like the next couple of months. So I'm only going to be home three, four days that I'm gone, three, four days that I'm gone. So it's my last kind of hurrah for a while at home. Any big tours coming up yet? There's some really great stuff, but I can't talk about it right now. And it'll be announced, we'll be announced later. We have really exciting stuff that's that's done right there. That's a teaser. That's good. That's good. We have good stuff in the works. Yeah, for sure. Let us know when you're ready. Okay, I will. All right. Stay well. Have a great evening. And good to see you, Alan and Jimmy. And I guess that's it. All right, guys. All the best. Thanks for tuning in. Yeah, and thanks to everyone for