 Okay, we'll move to the previous month's minutes. Are there any changes to the notes? I have one thing, and I don't know if you know it's been, so at the bottom of page three, where it's talking about money for renovations at the rec center. It says that we'd hide from the recreation in half dollars, but I don't know if that's right or anything. What's the contract? It's the paragraph right above number six. Since money for renovations at the rec center will come from the recreation in half dollars, but I don't think those dollars can be used for that. There it is. Yeah, there has to be, it can't be those dollars directly as an update. There has to be use for something new. So again, if something helps, you can use it to all that for something other dollars. So I think it just needs to save money for recreation renovations at the rec center. We'll have to come from, I don't know, what? Or you could make it easier and just say recreation in half dollars cannot be used for renovations at the rec center. Because they have to be used for new construction. Anything else? That's definitely right. That's going to let you know what, Stephanie wanted to be here tonight. She has some childcare issues, so she's wanted to be here. She can be available for questions or anything else you can use to update. So she's just kind of hanging in the background. She looks great. There's no other amendment than the motion to approve as amended. I make that motion to approve as amended. I'll second it. All right. All those in favor? I'll use your hand to see. Thank you. Do we not have any public invite to be heard? No. Before we move to all business, I just wanted to recognize that this is Dan's last meeting. At least for now. On the board, who does he do the story of. But thanks, Dan. You were there when I started and whether you do it or not, I actually learned a lot from you about how we even found the new members and how we present and listen to your community and give them to all the patients since I really appreciate that. Thanks. All of your service. It's been fun. It's interesting that people come and go with you. It's a whole new group. So it's great. And I'm really disappointed that only two people, there's an empty seat next term. That's really, I mean, a couple of times that I've had to apply, there was like a dozen people had to wait in line to get, you know, there was like a pecking order, right? Really weird. Really weird. Well, you're going to help us recruit. Okay. We'll move on to all business recommendations for Fox Meadows. Steve, is that me? Yeah. So you guys are giving a list in your crab packet. We're not in the chair. There's less every day. I hope it should be heard. I don't have any formal presentation the criteria by which the ordinance is written is at the top of the spreadsheet. And Steve, are these folks were all at meetings or online or online? Yeah, meetings online. I'm going to take recommendations that were for the last couple of parts that we've received, that didn't get selected because there are still valid suggestions. Gotcha. So they may or may not be for this part? Yes, this is a combination of, I try to keep the ones that were like, the ones that took from Nino Gallo, if it was about that farmer, I didn't include them because there's not really any point to do so. But the ones that were about people that were, say, killed in action that lived in Long Island, that's still a relevant possible choice. And so I added those in the list. Okay. It seemed like a long list because last month, it sounded like the meetings we had were a smaller group of people. It's like, wow, that's a lot of food. That's all three. Yeah. We did put it out on the website and through Stephanie's work with our communications team, we did a little like nudging. So we got a bunch. Gotcha. Okay. Well, and certainly certain groups of people are probably telling their friends, hey, we want to get this one or that one. Yeah. I had one person said I should go and personally poll the whole neighborhood, which I wasn't. Can you clarify what, do you want a unanimous recommendation from the board or? I would say, we're looking for a recommendation to take to council when we take the master plan to council. Stephanie, I think we're looking mid-January, right? Yeah. It's tentatively scheduled for that. So not a choice of three, but one name. That would be preferred. Council really wants to spend as little time on this as possible. I'm sure. So if they can just take a name, that's great. If you can't reach resolution, we'd have to take a couple. We can do that and council can choose. That was part because I think it's been the working name. I think there was enough support for it. You know, I, I like the recommendations for, you know, not to the indigenous history, but I, it doesn't feel like there's been a real, like this, the design of this park or anything has been particularly involving indigenous folks or based on that industry. So it would feel a little weird to. Yeah, I feel like before you have that discussion, can I just bring this up to you? A woman at the third meeting brought it up to me, who lives there, that the name of the neighborhood is Fox Meadows, not Fox Meadows. Now, I don't know what their sign says. And actually, we've probably pulled up a Google order to blush, but the development plans that we went through said Fox Meadows. So it's Fox Meadows in my mind, and the city is my wishful party of color, but it might be Fox Meadows, the name of the neighborhood, one of the moment signs. Just putting that out there for you. Thank you. It's an awful name for a park, Fox Meadows Park. Yeah. Anyone having any other strong feelings that you need to throw out? I agree with you. I think Jim Wall is the largest number on here. Yeah. The person I don't know, and I don't know, I mean, he's a pickleball player and affiliated with hygiene. If we had a park in the northwest part of town that had pickleball courts, I'd be much more gung-ho. But I am, I also agree that Fox Meadows, quote, S would be better. I mean, it makes more sense. Originally, when we talked about this two years ago, I had a couple of different neighbors over there said they really wanted future park and they've been here for 20 years. But one of those people moved away, so I don't know if they really care anymore. I live a block farther from it all and every time I'm at that, I'm forgetting the name now, but there's the two smaller parks, and then Steve and I will all be talking about what's going to happen there. And it's either future park or Fox Meadows. Right, right. So, I feel co-actualism. I, the only thing I can say, I like foxes in there, but if it's named after the HOA, sometimes it feels like, then if you're not in that neighborhood, you can't use that park because you don't know whether it's a HOA park or not. So, you don't know whether it's a city park or not. So, so, I like, I really like Fox Hollow, Fox Tale, like I like the plot, the acknowledgement to that, but just to the point where it's just enough different so that you think that it's not a private park but a HOA. Because I, you know, as a, as a mom, I would look and be like, ah, is that an HOA? You know, different parks you'd find and things like that. Like, we don't want to play here, we don't want to play here. So, I like Fox Hollow a lot. I like Fox Tale. I like Earth Run. Well, they're my idea. So, I really like the idea of celebrating an impactful person in our community. I'm using one of the names that were called out. I was really drawn to a program here from former Mayor, Leona Soaker. Stacker. Stacker. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That seems like, you know, the history there that I'm going to celebrate. Obviously, there's Jim Wolferson and I also know who that is, but a lot of engagement on that seems well. So, that's kind of what I like to do here. So, you know, I like the words, the Fox Meadowpiece. I think I heard Aaron do, or it's, like, is it part of the development? Like, I would, you know, necessarily come along to go there. That doesn't really help. It's awesome. It doesn't really, it's descriptive, but it doesn't really do much for me. If there's an opportunity to celebrate someone or a community, you should take that. My other one was that somebody said it looked like a hollow, that a design. It does say, so when you name something, you know, nobody calls it lefty and party. You know what I mean? Like, nobody calls can of moto, can of moto, really, and they're like, we'll go to park, or whatever. You know what I mean? So, the theme you guys decided was the nature play theme, right? That was the name of the concept, yes. So, Fox definitely goes with it. Well, it's only hollow because it's a retention spot right now has been. Most part, yes. I don't know if that could be huge. The only concern I have is that they all sound the same over there. Like, there's Fox main things. So, it's only concern I have is like, sorry. The north side of Nandabia is quail crossing. Right, yeah, exactly. So, and then Wolf Creek is just to the west of that. So, just adding that, again, just that unique view that I live there and all the people I talk to about it, whenever we were just making fun of our kids and then trying to do something else. And it always ends up as oh yeah, what's happening with that Future Park thing? What's going to happen with that Fox Meadows Park thing? Just again, just to hammer in, that's the colonialism there. Everyone's already kind of named it. It's kind of like trying to figure out what your kids are going to call your parents. Your kids already named them. It doesn't matter what you say. Yeah, interesting thought. So calling it Fox Hollow while I like it almost is like a slap to wait a minute, don't they know this is Fox Meadow? You know, if I live there, I might have that reaction. Now it's like what are they thinking? I don't know. I don't know yet. I'd say I totally hear you on people and I felt that way in the process but then after discussion it becomes really complex, I feel like I'm prioritizing what people and it's that person because we've had this discussion in the past part is that person really relevant to that neighborhood? Does it mean anything to them? You know, and I think you know, a guy will fit right in. That was a really easy call. But that was even a lot of discussion. There was. So and just in general I find that a lot of organizations are moving away from just kind of me after people get out to know I don't know any of the people on here. Right. Yeah. I would love to see Leon on his Twitter account. I've been here for 25 years. I'll be like yeah. So I don't know what's wrong but I do think SIP Warner is best and it is simplest to keep it named similar to Neighborhood rather than trying attention. I think the Future Park idea is kind of cute and interesting. Yeah. But maybe they've gone with the name after the name. I think that's not the name I'm totally thinking of. Yeah. I missed that discussion. That would have been a slim dunk. Yeah. Right. Well, and that's why they considered that option because of the name. Right. Yeah. I think what about Fox Den? Because that makes it seem like it's kind of clubby. Fox what? Fox Den. Somebody put it in there, the Fox Den Park. Because Warner is not Fox Meadows. It's like the residents will say that we did wrong. Yeah. Except for the problem is is that then they're on the park. Does that make that sense? I don't know I really the whole making sure that other people move like the country club without many HOA parks and things you can't do. Yeah. There's a lot of HOA parks. Well, and Southwest are they Yeah. So every every neighborhood that's been developed since the mid 90s has some sort of common open space in it that has play equipment and things like that. Those things typically have access easement over them. It's not necessarily clear whether or not those access easements extend beyond residents. They're really meant I went and broke my arm. I'd probably be suing the HOA and they don't want that. So they have the right to kick you off. But this will be a public park. The one thing I can say to your concerns Aaron and their good concerns but is we would have a park sign that says the city park with the city branding and the city logo or that sort of stuff and throughout the site all the signage would be done to pull it in. So there is that but I understand your concerns. That would help. Yeah. I would not to use the font but the neighborhood park is in. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good idea. The city is kind of standardized. You know I'm picturing yeah I don't I don't get to choose font. The font is with the font selected. It's the city logo font. Yeah. There's no change in that. Yeah. Does anyone want to make a motion? I move that we name this new or we recommend to city council the Parks and Rec Advisory Board recommends to city council that we name this new park at wherever address it is Fox Meadows Park. I'd like to second. I'll do some favor. I'll get behind it. I'm sorry. Boom. It used to work. I'm not sure if you saw on the chat Stephanie did confirm that we're going to council on January 22nd. Oh yeah. I feel like a former mayor is pretty excited. Okay. Yeah. I mean I like Do we have names in here that you can city employees names like We don't make a thing out. We don't make a thing. I'm sure she would like I don't know. Oh Leona. Yeah. She's a really interesting woman. She's the mayor of Longtown. You want to take a note to the council is that what you're going to do? Yeah. That's like the package you're going to do that. Royalty of Longmont from 20 years ago. The office changes. Alright. Let's go back to order. Move on to new business by the potential open-space acquisition. I just wanted to I just want to be able to meet with you. I'm just going to bring a map up this Daniel's where there's a map in the packet actually. Yeah. They're different whom though? Yeah. So you want all that green So we have a chance to buy this property again, we tried to buy it in 2018, and that opportunity fell apart, so we have one more chance at this, so it's pretty exciting, and if you see it on the map and then also up here on the aerial, it's a really important piece of property for the city because it's up here in the northeast corner of the city, and it's close to our boundaries with other towns, so it helps kind of make our boundary clear with other municipalities around us, and so when we didn't buy it in 2018, a company called Western Equipment and Chuck bought it, and they are selling it, and we would like to buy it, and we would like to just hear this board's opinion before we take this to council, if there's any discussion around it or any recommendation that you would like to hear before we present this to council tomorrow night. What happened last time, where there was, were we short on our pricing for them? Yeah, I think the negotiations fell apart. Okay. Yeah, negotiations. Okay, all right. You know, there was no buyer there, so that's one of the things you're kind of always waiting. You know, a lot of times when people throw it up, there's no buyer, you're like, do we have a buyer, or do we have another buyer? And that was Western Equipment or whatever, and then there was no sort of pricing issue that came up, other than they just had a higher number to give, like do we know if we're just paying again this time, or? I think we had it too far down the road with negotiating, you know, which is negotiating is negotiating, and it's risky, and we were doing a partnership with Wonder County, and it was a little bit complicated, and we were trying to cut out some acreage, and you know, do all of these things at once. So, since that time, the minerals have been retained by the family, the water has been sold to other buyers, so now it's just the land, and the facilities, you know, we don't want to let this opportunity, so the way again they're actually using other interested buyers. And so I'm going to follow up, because I might ask you a question about the minerals on the water, and you know, it sounds like there's active gas development on the property, and say that that still will be owned by the? Yeah, that will continue to be, the minerals will continue to be owned, and the well and gas company there that has an active gas well pad there is 1876, the Mill and Cup Creek. So yes, that will be. On your map in the packet, there's a little outline, but there's also hash marks through it. I can't tell, is it included or not included? Yeah, it's two parcels. I'm just delineating the two parcels, and we are looking to buy the entire, the entire acreage there. So this sits on that, and so you'll, so how does that work that they rent to this, or lease from the city? That's correct, they lease it out from the mineral owners. From the mineral owners, so the city's not involved. That's really weird, we own the land, we would own the land, but they get to use it anyway. How does that work? So we would own the surface, the land or family retained the minerals, and then the well and gas company comes in and leases the right to access the minerals. So they pay a rent for the surface, for the fact that they have a bunch of stuff on the surface. Does the city have any options to do that? Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out. There's no revenue to the city from the leases when you're asking me. And they get to use it because they get to drill on it. So why bother to buy that hunk of property? Well, because at some point that will be over. So we want to own the surface, we want to own the entire parcel, we want to shore up that. Okay, thanks, that explains it. Someday they'll leave and then you get it back. In the meantime, you start with them there. So just to continue with the question. So you don't have, what is the potential for additional well and gas development beyond that site? And then also what are you thinking around the water? So to go to the water piece first, we want to, we want to take advantage of this opportunity with the land. And so we want to close on this deal and then see what we can do about getting water back on the property. There used to be water on the property. So some of the research we've done as part of looking at buying this land this time is to look to see if the lateral ditches are still functioning, the ditches that will carry the water to the property since there hasn't been water on it in a little bit of time. And all of those are intact and ready to carry water. So what we'd like to do is close on the land and then have conversations about how we can get water on the property. And it's currently being farmed right now as is, is that correct? It's currently being farmed as is. And the sooner we can get water back on the property, the better shape it will be and the longer water stays off, the harder it becomes for people who want to farm using water, just getting it back in shape. So that's a goal. But it would be a separate conversation started after we purchased the land because the landscape has changed. We haven't got the ability to buy the water with the land at this time. And Danielle has a couple of different paths to go down as far as looking at water too. Right. I've initially spoken to Boulder County. And so I'd like to pick up that conversation after this deal could go through and then as well speaking internally to our own water resources department to see what are the possibilities for getting water back on the land. And then you asked another question. That was so interesting. Is there a substantial part expanded? I mean, I can't say, but I don't think so. All the wells are in that path is developed. There is an existing surface use agreement. There is an existing surface use agreement. And that is something also that we are going to continue to negotiate after we would buy the land. We have Jane Turner, an oil and gas specialist at the city who has a relationship with 1876 and a contact there and is speaking with them about negotiating some points on the surface use agreement to get it to be up to the standard that the city likes to see. And they're open to that. So those conversations would occur after we purchased the land, but have been started. I think one of the things that made us feel better about this is the fact that with the spacing units and where that's at right now, it'd be hard to, as you saw what you were developing, and all the setbacks and stuff like that, it makes it hard to figure out where they can go with some of those additional pieces if the surface use agreement didn't meet our full criteria. But again, I think that surface use agreement in place and are willing to try to make it able to strong, but I think we feel comfortable closing at this point and then continue negotiating that surface agreement. Yeah, we feel it's not perfect, but it's adequate. And the fact that the conversation is open to be had to be continued is the thing and the fact that the oil and gas wells are already there and they're existing and producing. And we'd be in a different spot if the surface use agreement and the oil and gas had to run there and we didn't know where they were going to put roads and everything, but it's already done. So it's pretty minimally interesting as well. It's just average right there. Yeah. And our concerns about their mineral rights, like aggregate strength, that was very powerful. Nothing else is in the title work other than, you know, we've reviewed all the title work and we're comfortable with everything else that's producing. Is that the Olander farm that's on these mills? Yeah. It's not a clue. It's literally this belonging to the Olander farm. So that is a piece here. Yeah. Those are correct. Those are cutouts. Those are house blocks. Who owns this case? You have had it? That is already, the green is already, no, it's the white. That's an actual existing agricultural tennis that uses a block of land. Sure, it's one of the pieces that the city, as we talk about open space in the future and all those pieces that you've done, there's always those pieces out there. Gochups right now have at least another generation of farmers and their families. So I think we're always willing to work with them to do conservation easements. We don't have those pieces at this point. Is there any nails that we don't have a willing seller? But I think Olander will be ready to present themselves. That's the last one. I know. I'll lay around that. Yeah. You're not the only person who has noticed that. Well, I wonder how. But the Gochups. Right. Like it's still at least, you know. Yeah, they do good tenants. That was my, I think one of my asks was, is there anything else nearby that would contribute to the invisible or contrast like a trail master planning kind of process? As I recall, that's all taken care of. You own that property to get that done. That's not necessarily needed. Okay. The question I had was, you mentioned the potential of pursuing conservation easement with the county. Are other properties in this area also unreasonable? Are all of them? You should assume they all are. And that was just ownership, I think. Some of them are, yes, they are for different purposes. A lot of them are under conservation easement for reservoir expansion in the future. This would be a conservation easement to protect the open space and agriculture values of the open space. So that's what I think. And when you buy the work of the county on that, is there usually a fee exchange for that? What's it like for the easement? Well, I mean, we don't have a conversation about it because we're talking about other things and we're talking about water, but often, yes. We do reciprocal conservation easements, too. We've held them for them, they've held them for us as well. And we did have direction from former councils that they really didn't want to see us having conservation easements on the open space properties that we purchase. That's practice. What I was going to say is that, I'm not sure the map that you're seeing, but the city owns a lot of land around New York. That's not open space. We own it as water properties. So those properties don't have necessarily the same protection. It's just open space. You don't know if there's an easement or not. The title search shows. Well, even looking at that, that's not all. Some of those are water properties. That's a separate case. Small though, small less. Yeah, the purpose of this map is just to show you the hole in the puzzle. Yeah. You're thinking that Boulder County wants to be involved, and this is clearly involved. I think Boulder County is... It's interesting. They did the Boulder County. They purchased properties in Jersey County, Lettermore County, Well County. Now, sometimes it's in partnership because if it's riparian corridors and agricultural lands, those things don't really follow geographical, political boundaries. So they're willing to participate in these completely larger ecosystem agricultural pieces as far as partnerships. How much of the available funding is available for purchase in this season? So is the... So I did break down the funding in my... So how much of the available funding is... So 3.0 million for the space fund. How much is in this fund? I guess that'll use it up for the time being, but I mean, there'll be only 24 million there. Well, I guess 1.0 million will be filled up again as well. Is that 1.1 million in morality? Is that about how much you get in a year? Is that five years with 1.0 million? Oh gosh, I don't know. And it fluctuates, and I'm not the person to ask. No, because for me, the deal that I'm seeing is that this removes the chance to buy a different property that might be even more important to the city if you can avail what the dealership did. I don't know if that's going to happen, but this would limit the ability to be reactive for a couple years, it sounds like, by drawing down that fund. You know, we had money coming back to us from the Adam Farms sale in Comfam 2, which is allowing us to have the funding to buy this. So I would say it's fortuitous that we're in this position to put together this amount of funding in a short amount of time. I mean, we started this deal in late September, and we... That's right. Yeah. So I think it's... Go ahead. No, I'm sorry. I was just going to say, the piece on this that I've been hearing on this is going on my eighth year. This is a property that you know too that previous mayors and councils have all been wanting to acquire this property. Maybe that's just maybe a little bit apprehensive now because we were negotiating and we lost. It just feels like that one last flight of the apples. So I think that's a piece of each other. It's a piece of the priorities prior to bigger Daniel sitting here. This has been a city council kind of desire for quite a while. And I would also say that opportunities like this are scarcer and scarcer. The city limits. The city is what it is. And so this is an opportunity that we were really desperate with. Yeah. I think the thing that I'm commenting is that one, I don't know as well what else is out there. Not on the shopping list, but what might be available or you thought might be available or could be out there. I have no idea the pricing or the sizing. It's just to use up a lot of money for one thing as hard. And second, it doesn't really provide any parks or recreation benefit as an open space property where I believe there are other properties like the north of the city that are in the long-term planning of trails and access to parks or access to water. This doesn't really provide any additional access to the public, which is by design. It's conservation property. It's very intended to be that way and be in helpful use. But I think purely from the proud perspective, that's a few comments, I guess, is that it would certainly be a benefit to the city for all the reasons you've listed in the resident residents, but it's not a parks and rec priority. There might be other persons I don't know about that could be contributing to that. That's why I asked about the trail, for example. Well, in terms of the timing of it, there's nothing competing with it at this time. I don't want to piece out there for you. If that property that's... Again, I can't think of a higher priority that I've heard about in the city since I've been here. It's something else to come up like the Do-Chep Jerry. There's one thing that really is nice with Daniel's relationship with the county. We've done something in the past where we can be creative with the county and they've funded us some dollars on new projects and then we have revenue coming in. So partnership is just things we can look at. Rancher is things we can look at. We've bought properties over time. Over time. So there's creative ways that we can try to... We're going to come up all of a sudden. That's good. Yeah, I was just going to hear about the new team, but I don't know if you want to be able to make other choices. It's going to go all the time until next week, right? Right. Is this the one... This is the one that we went by. Like on our field trip, we went by this. I can stop there. I'm pretty sure. No. It's further to the east. Because you had a view of this thing before. I mean, this is like your last, yeah. Right. I don't know if I'm sure I guess... I feel like it was, but... Okay. But, I don't know. There's like a hill there. And then... There's a hill. Let's go back. I'd just like to begin for this group again. You know, we have parts that we don't recognize, but we really do come with that open space piece and that open space sort of spectrum of things that are really to make community buffers and buyers the agriculture piece, the scenic views. There's lots of pieces in there that really aren't that recreation piece. It's a wild corner that just has some edge effect too, but I think historically, we did more that community separator. And just so you know, one of the reasons this came to us influence so fast is this was really me calling us because there's a developer calling me to say, can we get permits to build houses? I think they were going to build them. So again, for a long line, having that sort of driving into our community, you know, with that management sort of look along there, I think is a piece for the community that is outside of the parks and rent, but I think we'll be using our open space advisor group as soon as that need to be titled. So just a minute. I'm going to make a motion to endorse this as a proposal. I move that PRAM recommend city council that buy this property. I don't know if it's safe or not. Probably some favor. Here we struggle to sound official. I'm like, what? I'll keep our move. Like, I'm really bad. You're at it. You're at it. Yeah, you know. I was going to ask that. I didn't know. We're just out there right now. There's a lot of things that I'd like to go back to these board we talked about sometimes. The last couple, we're going to get an appraisal. There's a lot of hard things. You start looking at comps and stuff. You look at prices. There's really nothing else you could buy another 150 acres out in well counters. It doesn't do what it does. I think people know that assemblage piece has a value to it. One, my other piece here, having watched pieces go away in 10 years when there's houses there, people are going to care that you've spent an extra X number of dollars and say, why didn't you buy as we had the chance? I mean, yeah. I keep it just by bike alone and hard corridors and stuff. And it's a good thing to be there. It's a good thing to be there. Okay. So our next item when we planned for this meeting, I asked Jeff and David and then Jeff passed on to Ben to just kind of share some reflections about the past year and since we're kind of at that end of the year, I thought it would be great to just stay away from them. What felt good to them? You know, I mean, I'll start because I'm going to push back on page a little bit because I really do ask staff to put together sort of end of year reports what kind of their accomplishments and achievements were. A lot of times that requires getting data in from the end of the year and pulling it together. So they have a little bit for the deadline. So they'll be coming probably the February meeting because they'll won't have time to get done in January but they'll pull together all the data. So I'd like to just kind of get that higher level piece of look. I thought, well, I think this group probably more than anyone probably recognized what I'm saying. I think it really is councils and our leadership team to get additional staff to do our parts and trail development. You know, Stephanie and the team that she's brought out. So having Stephanie come on as a manager, I think it's been a massive to happen in one year, which then goes back into kind of something hoping for coming up with the 8 and 5. So having that position in the parts and trail design group, Danielle in the open space piece. I think, you know, I mean, Dan here and Dan had a lot to do and for Danielle to register focusing on the open space piece is a huge benefit and then that also position Jim Kirk's pieces who's the ecosystem manager. So Danielle can look at open space manager plans and then Jim can come implement it. So you know, I had one person that is always down in the rabbit hole trying to do the strategic planning but also the tactical pieces like doing it. So it gives us a lot better look at how we look at opportunities, look at budget, look at future manager open space properties. So I think that was meant as a starting piece because that's also for your time with me. So we were looking at starting strategic planning for the for this partner resources group and again have a great team to do that which really gives us a great opportunity to look at what we're going to be doing in the future. Another piece I went on a little bit of radical but I saw people understand it but significant amounts of grants from the state county and federal level to really protect the watershed if we're on button rock and we've done an amazing job doing that we just got to notice that we got some more grants coming up this coming year so we got an additional I think right now we're over $300,000 and we've already got the horse manager there. And then for me to take on projects that you would have to say no to because you cannot have the capacity so for me as it really was that capacity being desperately that capacity building piece that really took I think people like you to recognize it councils and others who really do this that ability and then goals for next year as we're actually having that capacity would really be the completion of the new senior ranger out on our wing weights which will allow again more capacity of button lock and union we'll have a new park supervisor which will be able to help us do that maintenance and I'm going work within our parks I've also been asking the group to start talking about the question we get all the time was it was it cost to manage of the space was it cost that long term piece how much money do you need as we've had dollars we spread those across the acreage was it really cost to manage a park that has a rose garden versus a park that has a playground it was it cost to manage an open space that had a form of oil and gas you have to do restoration work versus one that was agriculture and intense management so I've been really pushing staff to come up that and it's been a land building to that that goes back here again I want to steal the thunder the kids in nature the growing partnership we're doing is exciting sustainability will be built until all of our master plans and all the things we're working on for me personally and I think Danielle said next to me is the increased opportunity for volunteer capacity within our organization something I'm really looking forward to and then even these little pieces where you may not be a trail right through something you're given the seeding business but we have a lot of our companies come for regional trails and using the open space program to help facilitate some of those regional trail opportunities which I think may be a huge benefit for our community overall does that work for you at a high level? there's a lot there and there's a lot of great people but we don't have great work for you guys so I'm super excited about it you run your separate data so Jeff gave this to me because it's actually my stuff it's all folks at work for me 2023 was a very challenging year in our creation so all of our accomplishments are related to challenges really that we had you know I had one down and then David talked about staffing getting staffed this year was a huge challenge and we became fully staffed we have somebody designing right now so we're going to move on but that's the nature of the business but we were to start the year probably you know six or seven staff at various times a full-time variety plus trying to get fully staffed and temp staff post-killer which has done such a challenge and we're there we got there in the summer late in the summer in the fall we did a real work related to that we had to reorder it was in internally it was in aquatics that put a focus on the maintenance side so kind of building up the maintenance side to allow the programmers to really focus on programming and not quite so universal which I think has allowed them to really focus on programming and has allowed now two maintenance folks instead of one with the same line of one may have been also looking towards the future and at some point we'll have another so having another maintenance person you know will be helpful so that's it's really a cool one this year that I we're all very proud of and within the memorial building with my adjustment and duties kind of made a couple of changes there the staff just focus letting people do what they're really good at and straight up accomplishments getting the pools open the summer the two activity pools we go to our aquatic staff they spent I'm sure we can count them so they're not countless but it's a lot of hours those about have been open in three years almost for the way that happened and to start up a pool that has been dry like that was I forgot to close the valve like a day before opening and losing out in the water if we were ready to go on time that's it was pretty pretty awesome we got rhythm on the river moved to rhythm at Roosevelt that was a big change for us very satisfied with the outcome the feedback from the public was great on the event it was a lot of fun it was a great day feedback from staff and realize that event is not this recreation we headed up but that's a lot of different groups helping the whole organization really loved the way it was set up it wasn't as much of a burden to some of them that's a good thing you know it's jobs can be tough and even with our folks splitting the day instead of having you know two 12 hour day having split into two was everybody on our staff who I got their halfway through I got their halfway through from my chef and to a person everyone of them said do you need me to stay you know do you want me to stay because they were having a good time so it was really cool and no concerns with the neighborhood parking ended up being great it's a great event and we'll pull the future with it um another it's another accomplishment for sure getting the feasibility study done and prepared related to that we certainly want to thank council everybody here involved helping to get us on the ballot and we're more successful but I think we learned some things we'll be jumping back into that that's a challenge for the future that we're already looking into what the next step will be and being ready when that comes around so um it was a big deal to get the study done um I hope we're able to utilize that information when it comes around again when we develop an update didn't win but that's okay we'll be back again we've got a new therapeutic recreation board that started this that was a huge deal for us something I and Michelle Ray that senior services fought for for a couple years and it was the first time recreation since since Jeff has been very well for me that we were ever given a position in this case having a position without having the supporting revenues so that meant a lot to us to get that because it's so important to the community the programming for special needs is so important and something we just couldn't get part of in use we just couldn't get at the staff and how to have somebody who this is where our job is she loves it she's a professional in that really exciting and she's doing some great work and we're already growing so very fun talked about the reorganization and we will top 4 million this year so that was a that was a bit of a I don't want to say stretch goal Jeff was very dubious about it for a long time and I kept saying I don't know what's going to happen it's going to happen we're going to end up about 300,000 over budget for revenues expenses are another story for another day something that we you're struggling with because staff costs they have everywhere but revenues have been on the move I'm looking forward we're working on master plan right now programming master plan so we'll be back with you guys in February between January and March we'll give you some updates where we're out with that looking for some feedback so that's exciting getting into next year and I can tell you and I can tell you that we've got a really excited staff going forward really good groups that now that we've got our really experienced folks we've got a lot of fresh fresh new younger people that have new outlook come from different experiences excited for the future how are you doing? and I can keep talking for about an hour that's awesome thank you guys I really do appreciate you taking time to put that information together that's great does anyone from the board have anything any reflections on things that felt like accomplishments from the year? I think if you notice I was thinking about it as I listened carefully of course I had to look back this is the end of my first year I started in January I couldn't remember where it was it's been a long time but I was thinking you just have learned so much about how much time energy takes to get things done in the Parks and Rec area and how much effort that is but also amazingly how the city gets those things done is like that challenge I think that's a really good view of that I only had one percent of the view of that as just another public this is a chance to appreciate that and share that with my best friends and people acquaintances both of you guys mentioned the increasing staff support I think it's really noticeable in the meeting we've had this year just going from you covering everything to having working as a people covering everything every question for a while and I know that was a good episode that's great I was like about the trails that were coming in the future as well just hearing I think some of the plans the city has for future areas and investment that may be 25 years away or even more out there I also didn't really understand that and I appreciate the thought that goes into it I'm especially excited about the both East and West Greenway extensions and the double I think the double access to the same Grand State Park Union too is like a really thing for that part of the city and I just think we're at the back says the Greenway is already amazing and it's like double the amazing to think of it being longer I think it's a unique thing that I knew about not living here but I knew too it was part of that drop also to say the last thing was two of things one I think I thought the city has really good instincts and responsiveness to honestly good things like the open space is an example where they act typically on that but even the YMCA proposal right out of that field and challenging random new thing that just kind of dumped on you that the response to those things seems to always be very genuine very intentional and my opinion they'll write kind of response and so I appreciate that the response is not well that sounds complicated we've got to go down and we can't deal with that it's like let's mobilize people when they can happen which is not however you can municipality reacts to those things and last thing I just got for them amazing the breadth of offerings the type of things that are in that program for every different resident of the city for me with all the kids for my mom was visiting as an outside visitor for exercise things there's so much more than we're doing there I just keep finding more things and that's like a lot of effort for sometimes only one class that's one day there they kind of do that but it would be easy to do a simple version of that and it's really impressive so I would appreciate that I appreciate that we get excited about it and it's nice to hear appreciate it thank you just a really short quick note that they're really new for 2023 I think I really like the style that we have in these meetings and our structure and our ability to have free-flow conversations but we still have some structure in order where it's not complete chaos all the time I think we find the right balance in dialogue I think you'll hear but yet we're still getting things done typically and at the right time which is great I think it really is a testament to you Paige and your when you've got a meeting so thank you no talk about this last couple of days no but guys it's a new thing I'm gone to pretend I was never here unless a year from now I show up again I still haven't Jenny never left well you can plan for it because my seat will be up so hopefully it will be 16 people applying this is just a live year you guys just elbow to mouth is that what happened yeah yeah just sharp elbows I wanted to add a couple of things just to recognize one was the button rock management plan that was so much work and hard decision in the end and hard thing to take a stand where you did but I really appreciate that and admire that and I think having gone to button rock recently it just felt so much more peaceful and I know not everyone loves that but I do think it was a good decision a well set out decision so thank you for that I also was have been super happy to see the increased capacity because we've had a year we've been like okay why don't we just have one or two project managers and the same people and so just to see the folks that you brought lots of time you know just having you know having Stephanie joining us and I think it's been really great to have a capacity and see things starting to move hopefully a little bit past the case feels like they're going to be past the case on the recreation side I do think you guys have done done a really good job of digging out after COVID I mean that was a hard situation for all of us but I think particularly for recreation and indoor recreation and getting people back into that and so having the success that you're having and you know I think revitalizing your staff and bringing in your energy speaks really well and is exciting for the future and I'm super excited about your partnership with Farm and where that's going and that's kind of the kids' energy and the focus on and equity and others communities I think it's really great so thank you I was actually not thinking of a yearly Calcumet but I was too lazy to write it to write you guys a note but I had a I just went to button up as well and you know I go during the summer and I went on I went tracking over Thanksgiving the new plan is working there's a there's a lot more wildlife right now I don't know it just seems like there's a lot more wildlife than there was and then having a really wonderful interaction with the arranger up there Daniel I believe his name is and just you know he's taking pictures he's enjoying itself which is also really nice to see arranger enjoying their work right when he was doing his work but he's taking some pictures and you know had no ideas you know on a park's court or anything and had a conversation with him and my brother and about like the animals there and what like what's appearing and how well the plan is working and then I let him know you know but you know I talked to him about being on the board and about that decision and everything you know it was tough with people but it was really good it was a great interaction with them and what was great if you don't mind wait for maybe price when they present it February but I think it was the board wants to really think about a field trip coming out that part of Button Rock to see the Forks should work up there because I just don't think there's many people in our community who realize what a significant project we're doing up there but I have friends in the National and the Forks are like how did you do this because we're doing cross boundary projects where we've ignored property bonds and to say the manager of the Forks is the important piece yeah it's very cool yeah the mountain line has no idea that there's a city and a county boundary and oh this is Lyreford County exactly yeah and the fire doesn't carry there no huh oh thanks everyone I just I thought the question was a diagram to the crazy question so next item it's items from the packet does anyone have questions on things in the packet so a few things on page 16 um so first Thompson Park great the neighborhood love it the question is tumbling with Thompson Park in July 4th activities sorry come up five times step are you ready for these I'm sorry yeah it was Thompson Park and July 4th celebration people were like I was so excited to like Thompson Park but is that going to impact July 4th activities in the park I would assume so since the schedule is I would yes construction time so whenever we get that construction schedule we'll have more information on that because later on the place there's a lot of patients to some of the pathways and minor renovations to the restroom compared to the fixtures and whatnot so it just depends you know which shelter is it did Jeff call him that question immediately the first the first one was somebody from the PTO she was like you do park stuff or neighborhood stuff what's the deal it's like I don't know the day after week convinced simply to not try to do a Roosevelt and stay at Thompson we got that call so we were working with that monitor here okay so one of the meetings they discussed closing just in the area around there and buffer which I think would be a couple of slot in the event there but maybe it's better try it not knowing what these guys would be happy to try it so that will be fine great in the dry creek one path there's a reference to a CMO I think CMO I don't know I don't know there's a special project manager for that Stephanie the city manager is not this oh okay so it's not a question about ownership of a property or future use of the so that's why we came to build a trail there is that there is this trail is this try it go ahead no it is possible trying to work through some of the challenges with regard to where the trail goes on the property and the future development of the property and then who's ultimately I'm sorry who's ultimately responsible for that trail at that point and so I know already on with our the PM that's running that project is working with Krishna and our team and others to kind of work through and then just to remind me I'm sorry I couldn't remember on safe ring 13 is the plan going over or under under okay alright so someone challenged me that was going over it's under okay underpass okay cool thank you thank you any other questions from the other items from the staff I don't have anything it's a I did want to say we did bring some refreshments from Dan's last evening and left over from what me no Veronica Fresh oh wow so please feel free to have the exact lines we're not personally like thank you thanks wow I enjoy it I do think we started by talking about last time before that happens it was a little confusing my rancher Singh복 present it has had one bullet in the updates of their rules rights the new school changes going to make and the input and give some heads up so we will get was across the road and we're out. That is a city easement on private property. So we have very limited ability to do much outside of that as far as keeping the trail clear. I can't remember exactly what the question was. On that one, I know the brand trail, there was a question, did Scott need to bring that up? Yeah, I guess, someone I know talked to her and she said that it was hard to maintain it. She's getting older or whatever. There's a question of who's allowed to maintain it? So that's a good, so the maintenance of the trail service itself, we can do, we do have that right. So if there's things out there, they'll be able to give me a call and say, well, half of me, this is called a first service, we'll request it, but we do maintain that trail. It's a little more challenging for us to get equipment in and out or do stuff like trees alongside of it because we just have that trail easement. I'm right on property. I believe that is in an appropriate goal for us, so. Okay. Dan, your last one, you guys looked backwards, is that correct? When we did the pickleball course, they were like 9,000, they have doubled since then. They're like 18. Pickleball course, what? We did the back course at the pickleball. I didn't know they had back course, okay. I was thinking of the one in cars is the one I know of. Is that where it's at? Well, that's when we did, maybe that's what it was, but the last one we did was like nine, timber check on it, and they're up to 18 now. Yikes, okay, thanks. Per court, so 18 per court. Very sluggable wood. I know, it is kind of crazy. Going to that rules and rights piece, this is something that will really, will not be in this rules and rights update, but it'll be somebody looking more long term, it really is the e-bike rules and rights and it's something that, again, I think there's lots of pieces with e-bikes that I would say that my personal philosophy has changed on that as far as equities and other pieces, especially talk about now trails potentially go from I-25 for winds in the future, how you incorporate those. So we'll be working on that and there'll be something that hopefully will be incorporating this group in that conversation too. Court lights for the timers and tennis courts. It may be the daily savings time, but they are on timers and they go from 5 a.m. to 5 p.m. or 10 p.m. But they don't come on now, for example. You can push the button, but nothing happens until after 4.30. And for about 4.30 p.m. So they won't come on at 4.20 or 4.15. This is for Pratt Park in particular. And so it gets pretty dim, the sun goes down at 4.08 or something, it goes behind the mountain. Oh, yeah, so that's what it is, I'm sorry. It is, they're supposed to be able to be pushed the button and come on from 5 p.m. to 5 p.m. It's better than 5 p.m. It's now it's 4.30 right now. Right, so that's great. 4.15 being better, but, and it's a tricky thing, I understand. It almost needs a darkness sensor instead of a timer, but I don't know what's possible. You know, all like this, the lights are, right? And it doesn't, nothing has to happen unless somebody pushes a button. But at least it's enabled when it gets to a certain threshold of darkness. Yeah, I'm sorry, I just understood, but I would be, is that gap between one, when you push it at 5 p.m. and it'll come on, that's what I control, is that it's getting dark. It gets dark before five, right? I'm gonna say, I don't know, I think at Quail it's also 4.30 right now, which is almost fine and will be in a month. Right. You know, we're on the downstream swing and it will be back up again then very quickly. It was almost two days ago. Is that what it was? Okay. So, you know, maybe it's not worth worrying about, but in the future, even better would be a light sensor type enabled. That would be stupid to say those are, the light sensors are hard for some reason, I'm not sure that he tells that, but it's all in timers, and I think that's something we'd probably look at. Yeah, what's the rest? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, we'd have to pay electric bill, but nobody cares if they're on it, it's bright. It's nobody notices, you know, but we're paying electricity. Yep, that's great. They don't know who to press the button until. That's true. That's true. Does the Quail have a button press one too? Pardon? The Quail one also button press? Yes. Does it go by there or not? Like, I swear, there's nobody, like, playing. Oh, it's interesting, in Quail, you push the button and they go on and they stay on until you push the button again. At every other park, you have to repush the button every 15 minutes, or if you don't, it turns off and there's like a 10 minute regeneration period because of the mercury vapor lights. So, you have to know what not to do or do correctly. I didn't know. So, let's say you're playing at 9 p.m. in December, so you're probably moving forward or not. Yeah. Yeah. You can play, you know, I think it's really cold by like 6, 5, 30, I mean. I'd be impressed. Yeah, man. Oh, we play. We play today. That's why I see those lights on, though, because they need to have, they need to turn off it. Like, no, 15 minutes is ridiculous. Look how half hour or something, I mean, it's like my office. Like, I'm like, no, I'm working. Yeah, we're at the right dance room. I'm working. So, thank you, Ralph. We'll clarify that at the time for now. OK. The next piece was, I kind of committed without Daniela Taylor that we'd be happy to do updates on the Kids in Nature, Nature Edward program as we hit kind of milestones again to that commitment. Taylor will be coming in February to give lots of details about everything that's being planned for 2024 and just the details of all those, OK? And then, yeah. Yeah, just make sure to remind her to click the link on the list in the vicinity for the kids, for a while, and if you think I'll get, you know, visiting and like, what you're thinking about. Absolutely. And we're at a great, perfect timing for all of that right now. So, she'll be here at the beginning of the year. She'll be putting more detail in her written updates as well. OK. And then the last one was, I did give with Adriana, who was the stepdaughter of former Workman Park, which is now a Nino Park, which is actually Nino Gallo Park. So, her, no, she says, I'm a poster. It's the closest I could get is, you know, you know, Placmina or the Gallo, which she says Gallo Lo. So she's from Argentina. It was a very Italian area. And it was a piece that they had, they kind of struggled with people wanting to put that either way. But it's Gallo. And she said, when they ever named it, she would like to actually have to put it there to help people with pronunciation of that. Well, I'm working on a button to press the button. Oh, but not Gallo, Gallo. Gallo, yeah. So, you guys are most welcome. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it. I'm sure. And then, again, those pieces that a lot of people only understand is that our space program with the agricultural piece, there's a lot of stuff on local food. That's going to be challenging just because of the way markets are and everything else and pricing and work things were more sufficiently. But Boulder County and Longmont, now, with Montgomery Farm Property, which is on 66th and Conlang Road, that long property that's up there that will be a huge park at some point, is farmed by Dave Asbury, who is the largest organic farmer in the state. And he has full circle farms. He does farm stands. He sells the whole food. There's Rockmont Pumping Ranch. We just renewed the lease with him. So he'll be continuing to farm that property up until we decide to do a community park at that point. There are still 46, 48 acres, I think, in the southern portion of that that have to stay in either ag or natural areas that cannot park and park. So he has said that he would like to continue farming that even after the park goes in. And he's doing a center pivot down that property for water conservation as well. We're taking up his lease renewal to see the council tomorrow night. All right. OK. There's nothing. I think that's what they're on if you want. But I just wanted to mention, you know, agricultural lease management and renewals or something that the Oakland State program does. And this is one that we're taking to the council tomorrow night. What's the timeline for a statewide or a regional park, or you just called it? I mean, is that five years? 15 years? If you look at what we have, like in the eight and five, we have eight parks in the next five years. Our CEP plans are basically for five years. So it's not on the five-year plan. So then we can go into, yep, sisters out there. Yep, there's a lot of stuff out there still. So those are things I do think keeping input from is important. But Stephanie is really starting to look at, you know, as things get completed, where is the next project that's the project manager going, how's that work? Other pieces that we have two of those positions are termed at about five years. So we, there may be some slowing back, slowing down at that point as well. So not within the next five years? Not within the five years. It's not on any five years yet. That was one of the site plans for my career. Yes, right. Yeah. But within the next five years, we are trying to work with a lot of our agricultural plans on the infrastructure and to support them being the center for it. So those are the types of projects. Oh, instead of the ditch stuff? Yeah. Ah, okay. I didn't see that. Oh, I moved. I have one response to the bike thing. I wasn't here last week and it was brought up, but in my other work with the county, we had one again study sessions several years ago and just kind of like introduced a lot of different perspectives on the bikes from transportation and mobility. And it was really helpful to have like a chance to talk about it without some kind of decision being proposed. So if we can have a chance to do that, would you recommend it? I think here at Transportation, you brought up the last meeting that our new council member was on transportation. And because of the conversation, they probably had more conversations about it than we have. So I think making sure that the city's alignment on this is something we're trying to meet all those overarching goals. So I think there's definitely a lot of happy housing with the conversations. I think part of that for the county is that the municipalities all have their own roles at that time. So if we're confusing to know what could be done, I think trails that cross county and municipal boundaries. So be good to note, I guess just how that's evolved outside of the city to know when we might end up kind of lining up this time. So just so you know, one of my previous positions as a leader agent for Boulder County is one of the pieces for me that you want to set people up for success. So if they leave on their e-bike with their dog on a leash and they start getting different property ownership and the dog is a lot of it, the bike is not going to be the dog is a lot. So yeah, it's all those pieces, your quest for ends, all those pieces I think that, you know, sometimes we start having these regional trails. How do you make it so successful for the user? So I think we definitely want to talk about it. Script. I'm sorry. Hey, I just went overboard. So Ben, two Saturdays in a row, Centennial Pool didn't open on time. Did you hear about this? The Saturday after Thanksgiving, there was some kind of chlorine alarm. So they wouldn't, they didn't open. And the next Saturday, something else, I didn't go that day. You go to the studio. In any case, you need to document this, Centennial Pool is dying. Or how well, okay, I mean, we need to, yes, we discussed this, the failure of it. I mean, I think a lot of the swimmers are like, yeah, the pool, they'll just keep fixing the pool. You need to somehow get that word out would be my thought as a, I mean, this is the stick end of carrot and stick. You know, hey, we're not going to have a pool soon because ABC, it's going to cost us this many bazillion dollars to fix it or redo it or these are just two examples, but it reminded all of us at the pool, the master swimmers in particular, it's like, oh, this pool is old, because here we are at 7 a.m. on a Saturday and we don't get to swim after all, you know, that kind of thing. So it was just a simple reminder. So, you know, for four years from now, let me try this again or whatever it is. You know, we do have Sarah on a lot. Okay, well, we somehow, we need to publish this. You know, we spent X amount of man hours and money, you know, just keeping this thing running and you know, that kind of stuff. I don't know, you know, you brought this up. It's like, hey, we're just not, people don't believe that it's falling apart. Right, yeah. And that's very true. People don't believe it. They're users there. Yeah, well, and that's what Jeff has been saying that for years. Yeah. I'm trying to be helpful for the board. Yeah, right. And thanks, I've had a fun time in this group and it's a very different set of people in good ways. And you know, it's, you know, you can cycle through. It's kind of cool. I don't know if I'll try again next year or now. We'll see what happens. What's up? Oh gosh, I can't believe this game. He did two stands. Oh yeah, he was here when I started. Right. That's embarrassing. He was really good at word smithing. I think he was super good. Yes, word smithing particularly. Steve would remember. Doug. Yes. Right. So I think, yeah, I have one item before we jump out. And I have been talking with Sarah on Ben's staff just about the ice civilian and the ice programming. I think since we don't have any sort of new ice facilities in the near future, I'd like to see the city really think about how to show around that program and, you know, expanding the programming. The programming has kind of decreased over the year. So there used to be drop-ins, skidding, and language. I will gently disagree with that. Well, I'll finish. And then, I mean, there used to be a drop-in for adult, youth, and teen. And then now there's just adult and youth and the teens are left out. And so I've been talking to her about like, can we create some flexibility so it's more open? There's also no stick and puck. There's just drop-in hockey, which is usually a scrimmage. So there's no time for people to actually practice skills. And I've been on a lot of, like, the Zenfones have a lot of problems. So I just think it's a real pressure of a program. And it's unfortunate that we don't have an opportunity to provide indoor rink. But I'd really like to see the city think about how they can continue to invest in that and ensure that there's as much opportunity there for the community as possible. And Sarah has been super responsive. And I know they're trying to be flexible, but I think there's a few small changes with your really helpful in terms of the program. I will disagree with that stuff is decreased. We are maximizing the entire length of time that we can for that. So that hasn't. And programming changes, it changes over the year. That's the nature of our business. So we're loving to hear different perspectives and perspectives, and we will continue to look at opportunities to make those tweaks and make those changes. But it's a facility we do maximize. We want to maximize as much as possible. And like all of our facilities, it's how do we serve as many people as possible with the limited amount of resources we have? And it doesn't fit everybody every time, but we try to fit as many as we possibly can. So we'll keep making adjustments, keep making, looking at people. So I've talked to Sarah and she's, I think looking at opportunities based on your input. So we do appreciate that. And yeah, it's another one, a lot like Centennial, that the Zamboni is the new lifespan. What was it? The day before Thanksgiving, a what I'll call stereo just broke. And so we were searching the staff for their amazing job of tracking, physically tracking down the guy we go to who happened to be at his shop, he thought it weren't open. And found him, he came out Thanksgiving morning at Weldon so that we could be open the next day. And we had a plan to do it by hand. Half open, half closed. But yeah, the facility is, you know, it's aging, the Zamboni, the Chiller, which I know you guys know well. It's a million dollars. It's another plan we've got to come up with now. It's something we're going to do with that on board or we're going to invest in it, for what it is. It's unique. I've heard James spread a wide proposal to conduct a new plan by itself. It's done once everyone was, why don't you guys talk about it to me? Why is it asked, why don't we take to do a special one? So I'm assuming that is part of their question. Is that possible? Is that a special one? I'm sure it is. Yeah, it's a cause as far as the cost. You have to put the cost in the city, you have to. They think strongly people that have voted for their and by itself which they're helping to fund a bit of a study to survey. Or I don't think that's true. I think people haven't voted everything down. So I think that was kind of the thing. But I think they need to see the numbers here on the people and figure it out. So going to see A-Z, they're not going to leave necessarily. I thought that they were like, they didn't want to share this long line otherwise I didn't leave. I've never heard that. No, no, no, they are still interested. So, yeah. I mean, just think about the, you know, facing these persistent problems with Centennial and I've divided it and it's like. There's lack of opportunity in other facilities that they own to do the same thing. And I think there's the same vicious people who want to accelerate their career and the why that this helps as well as helps the community as a whole. That facility has the same problems as Centennial. And there is other problems. So there's some things that go on there. Any other items from the board? I know some mowing, a lot of mowing on the trail, along the trail. And that's, I get it, because we haven't had a fire, you know, it's a fire ecology and you can't have fire along the trail, along Lahtan. And I'm assuming that a lot of it was due to thoughts about people living in that grass. Though a lot of it was just a really large swath that now kind of looks parky and it's not habitat anymore. There's a lot of small animal habitat in there. And there's a definite decrease in small animal habitat in there. And so if what's done is done, it was just kind of late season to have that mowing, have things not be able to like regrow a little bit or anything like that. Weirdly it was like not where people actually stay, got mowed, like everything but where people stay, but you wouldn't even be able to, that's a difficult place to mow along that. But it's just this really long stretch. And in the future I was hoping if we, like when we do mowing that it's a little more spotty instead of mowing for a mile, and then like a ton of mowing, that it's mowing 15 yards of mowing and then grass is left kind of, and then maybe another 15 yards. I know it's hard with contractors and things like that, but it would be good just to leave some habitat out there in a very, very species rich area that's really habitat stressed with the mining that's going on, the gravel mining is a real stress on the habitat there, and then Costco and all that, so. That's a partnership we, that's managed, we have a navigation to deliver water, so let me tell you an option, actually like everything else in our city, carries water for water rights. So we have a navigation, keep these clean and moving for that. We have to have access for that. We have public safety needs as far as people camping down there and having buggers. We have environmental issues, so we have a very collaborative team that's going on there saying, what can we do to, one roof would like to keep all the habitat new nothing, one would like to say, if you mow it all down, we can drive by and see what's happening there, I'll be okay, and others like, if we slip it all down, water can vary really easily, so what you're seeing is really a result of a very deliberate conversation on different groups, working on how you address multiple city challenges in a place that doesn't have one really good solution. So I'll carry that forward, but what you're saying is actually what we're doing, we're seeing now that multiple groups are saying, what do we need to do to achieve these different objectives? And maybe the new ranger, instead of being a drive by ranger, can be a mountain ranger with a little bit of slower going like me, so I'm a pretty slow runner anymore. Our rangers aren't down there all the time, they're talking to people, it really is that constant vigilance, so we have police officers have other things to do, for them to be able to drive by and see things and get down there, it's a partnership with them too, that the rangers are down in there trying to figure out where the best places are to contact people, get them servicing heat or try to get them to move out, and again, just talk about habitat, having humans and human, species of human waste and litter and trash and garbage and fires is really not great habitat. Oh no, it's not, I get it, yeah, I mean, one minute, I get that, it's not great either, but just there's certain areas that weren't human habitat or no, but they're long now, and I think it was just because it was easier to do that, and just moving on to that point, anything else? I have another question about habitat, but I don't want to speak to you. Did they do their items? I'm over the germ. What did you get to say? I'll set things. All those in favor, all right.