 And that of course is Tina Turner. Now there is a new book out called Twins, Twins. It's set in Donegal for the most part and it's written by Gemma Hill. Gemma, born in Donegal, now lives in Straban and when the first of her three sons was seven she returned to study at Ulster University and then when she completed her postgraduate studies she taught psychology and sociology and English at Northwest College where she specialised in adult education and special needs. Well she she's a published storyteller as well as a poet and an author and a blogger of short stories and you can find all those on her website write me write you and Gemma joins us now. Gemma do we get connected to you without any background interference and I need to need to brush up on my IT skills here but I don't know how Gemma hopefully you can hopefully you can hear me okay. Hi Gemma. Yeah. Can I hear you? Okay well listen your book is out now and I'm guessing that you're bringing a lot of your experience to debt at play here. Your experiences for instance as a counsellor and a care to your writing in general not just in this book but your writing in general. Yes I am John. I actually did I was a late downturn to teaching so I did a lot of things before I did that and so that's very useful for for writers and this particular book this is not my first book to write this is my second but this is my first this my debut book and it actually started off the twins twins started off and my lovely mobile home and knock out a caravan and camping and done it all. A great place to get inspiration. It was a great walk on that beach what is it I called it always called it just knock out a beach. We're walking from there to Port Salon and back and the many people you meet on that beach John. Yeah and the characters just pop into your head because you see the potential. So it went from just so happened I couldn't tell you why as you said I taught I did a lot of different stuff and for some reason this thought come into my head and this is what started the big off. So the thought was that not it's not women are abused but men are also abused and that was my thought that started that big off and then it just so happened we were going to Ozzy to say our son our mother son is in Ozzy and on the way you know how the plot kind of thickens in your head. So when we got there it was pouring rain pouring it was coming down and it is well been back in Ireland and so what could the character be called when you were in and you know the character was called raining because that was why it rained all the time you know and then we headed to Bali because we thought I'm bugger this we're going to Bali to get some sunshine get away from Iran and the character of Nathaniel he I went love all the beaches was something else but anyway there he was John doing his stuff his Pilate and stuff on the beach with this grip and so the character of he was born up as him. So that's just that's just a couple of ideas about how how things form when you're writing a book and the characters take shape but give us a brief outline because raining is a self-made business woman. Yes she comes from raining came out of a family who didn't love her basically and so she swore blind that she would never ever let any man but her or that she would definitely have no children and of course Nathan Nathaniel wants to have a child before he gets too old and so she's she's not going to be doing with that so she takes to him anyway when so when him and her come together she takes to him and that's when the trouble starts and she has to get out of Australia. Yes and then she comes over to Ireland. On the other side of the world at the bottom of Muggish Mountain, Amelda is loving with her twins that she that was her she had when she was a student at university and but she's a now reared and she wants to spread her wings and she wants to go to Australia so she does she decides you do a house swap and of course the other woman has to get out and Amelda wants to go and so they make the arrangements common comes and goes for a bit but they're finally rain and lands and letter Kenny and Muggish. Yes yes and then there's the two twins yeah then the fun starts because there's a 20 year old identical twins called Isaac. They're supposed to be they're supposed to be at university but they do come home and all their life they're absolutely identical but they're very different personalities but all their life they have played tricks on people one swapping for the other and so they play a trick and rain in and she doesn't know the difference in them all right for a good wee while to text her away and then what happens was she ends up pregnant don't give too much away now people are gonna have to read the book to find out what how it goes from there yeah okay she has a big problem then and the problem gets bigger and bigger and she ends up actually at one stage ends up on the top of muckish in a bad way yes and is it true that when you were searching that you weren't just that you know down walking on beaches that you actually headed up muckish as well. I climb muckish and I'm so and I have to thank Simon. Simon canning my nephew and his wife we were sitting around their kitchen table their dad's kitchen table and I kept saying I'd love to climb muckish and Simon said Kathy and me will take you up and I went seriously and so we headed to the top of muckish John. Well when Simon says you have to do it and we headed to the top muckish and you see when you get right up he took us up the miners trail which is which we could have end up in easier right but he said I should have no point in doing it the easy way. No the mine well the people have their you know have their favorite maybe if you do it regularly of how to get up muckish you can go from either side but the miners path but you made it up more importantly you made it down. Absolutely my god coming down with something else and thank God for Kathy Simon's wife she kept saying keep your back straight against the wall. We got down anyway and see when we got to the screen at the bottom John. Yes it was something oh my god I thought my legs just said that's it they're going no further right but the good thing that came out of that was when I came back and looked at what I had written about raining a climb in the trail I was able to put some meat on the bones of it then because I knew exactly what it felt like to be up there in the mountain and the mist coming down. Well there you go you're able to describe it as you do in the book. It was really a dream of a lifetime. Well listen a lot of your your workshop stories and poems and so on's on your website write you write me as an W R A T E and and the book is out now and can be found I presume online. The book is as can be can I just put this we've been on David and book a letter candy in the shopping center. Bookmark yeah. Bookmark and David very kindly he just took a look at the book and he said that'll sell and he said I'll offer you a table and he gave me good advice on when to do it and we did a couple of Saturdays ago about three Saturdays ago and you know watch on they just sold great you know and so I have to say a big thank you to him and to the local local shops McFadden's and Daley's and Lifford all the local people were really good to me great not posters and doing all that. So found in a selection of local shops as well as online and the book is called twins twins if anyone is searching it up and Gemma, Gemma Hill thank you very much. Amazon most people David will kill me for saying this but most people will order it on Amazon yeah if they don't get it and it's selling all over the world John. Oh look at the mass of beauty of the internet and you know the sites like Amazon love them or love them at least you can access them in any corner of the world so all right then well the best continued success with the book Gemma thanks so much for having a wee chat with us. Thank you very much for having me on. Take care. It's lovely it's lovely to be talking to Donegal radio station from a Donegal woman. Absolutely absolutely. Thank you John. See you Gemma. Bye bye. Get with the best. Virgin Media Ireland's best broadband with full fiber and speeds of two gig is now available in Donegal. Check your area on virginmedia.ie. It's playtime. Virgin Media sponsors of Around the Northwest. Santa Claus speaking. It's me Santa your trustee. I've got an urgent message from Cooney's Christmas.