 With the degree of misinformation that is going around today, I mean it is amazing that you know the Prime Minister of the countries has things which are contrary to what the President has said and so on. So this misinformation, well the two ways of looking at it. I would commend the establishment for thinking on their feet so that as people, you know the urban noxals like us point out as we point out flaws in what they are saying or untruths in what they are saying, they change tack and what is said yesterday is no longer true today and so on. There's a new truth. Now again I mean I will come to that in a little more detail later but let's remember what the policy of Herr Gebelz was some years ago in a central European country. Now the other problem is that in the darkness of the evening or the night as we saw in Maharashtra and as has been pointed out certain advance steps have been taken administratively which in fact are precursors to the CAA and this has gone, whether it's the Reserve Bank or whether it is the refugees from Pakistan coming in, this has gone unnoticed. I will take the liberty of reading out briefly from the jury's conclusions after the people's tribunal on what happened in Assam over several years and I, whether or not Assam itself is replicated I do believe that we need to keep this at the back of our minds to understand what could happen. I will read out briefly. They noted it is not just mental distress which is killing people, there are inhuman processes involved in the whole NRC which is forcing people to die in most unfortunate ways and this is not just like people like me who are generalists and not very educated in these matters but this is the view of two among others of two former judges of the Supreme Court and the judge of the Delhi High Court and other distinguished citizens and lawyers. Literally millions of people were asked to appear before the verification officers in far away places multiple times to prove their citizenship credentials. In most cases the verifications were held outside the home district. People died in the NRC queues in vehicle accidents attending arbitrary long distance hearings on very short notice and of heat strokes. In some the jury would like to emphasise that in the context of Assam as well as in the country citizenship as the right to have rights is one of the most basic fundamental human rights in modern societies. Deprivation of citizenship must follow the most rigorous procedure available. The overriding concern must be fairness not quickness or efficiency. Now of course after all these after people spending months and years and dying in detention centres which we are told do not exist. Now after all this when the results did not tell you with what was expected which is millions of illegal Muslim immigrants in Assam then the whole thing was terminated. It didn't happen. When you think of the cost I am not talking of the financial cost of a few thousand crores but of the enormous human cost that was paid by people in Assam in pursuit of this Shabera. Now I will digress a little here in the case of Bangladesh now I have no authority to speak on either the people of Bangladesh or the minorities in Bangladesh but having spent many many years there and also spent some years in Pakistan I think I should share some of my views on this. I cannot stand here and say that minorities in Bangladesh have not suffered certainly but it is completely untrue to claim as is being done that it is a systematic persecution of the minorities in Bangladesh that's a false suit. There have been periods there have been ups and downs but if we look at the recent past I would like to share just some figures with you I can remember them. The decadal increase in the Indian population from 2001 to 2011 was I think 17.7%. That in Bangladesh was 17.1 so the increase less and even if we translate that to figures it does not lead to millions coming into India but here let us also note that the fertility rate of women in Bangladesh is lower than in India. The annual rate of growth of population in Bangladesh is lower than in India. So what the precise figures would translate into I cannot say but I think when we do as unfortunately our Supreme Court did under the pressures of the Sonowal case some 15 years ago we have to get over this idea that there are millions and millions and perhaps tens of millions of Bangladeshis populating various parts of India to our detriment most of them being Muslims. Now and on the subject of minorities I also need to say that in 2015 a gentleman by the name of Saladin Khadir Chaudhary socially extremely prominent politically powerful an advisor to a former Prime Minister he was hanged for his war crimes against Hindus in 1971. There have been other instances of Muslims accused of communal crimes being suitably punished in Bangladesh. Well what can I say when we look back at our record beat 1984, beat 2002 or what has happened subsequently. Now talking of the NRIC that has asked me to speak on briefly individually if we look at the CAA, the NPR, the NRIC each one can be in some way justified perhaps except in terms of there being illegal in some cases but the problem here arises that the new NPR of 2020 is not the NPR of previous years. This NPR has certain clauses relating to our parents and I'm sorry but I don't I am I am not able to accept any any assertion by the government that this and that will not be mixed up I think there will be and having completed this NPR having acquired this information people operating the NRIC will have the authority will have the authority to pick up names at their discretion for further investigation and I hardly I hardly need to tell you what kind of names those are going to be. So the entire objective and here again I mean let me state my view I think it's probably shared by all of you. This entire exercise is not about refugees it is not about Hindus and Muslims and who is coming and who will be given sucker. In fact in Bangladesh the Hindus are saying that look for God's sake what you are doing will simply give further and to further and to use people like the Jamaat to come after us. So it is not because our concern about the minorities in Bangladesh and in Afghanistan or Pakistan. The objective is to create laws which can be held as a sword of democracy on the Muslim citizens of this country and I think that is the danger before us I think that is the challenge that we have to face in whatever way we can. I was looking at what happened in Germany the 1930s I mean you had the Nuremberg laws of 1935 which started what concluded the process of disenfranchising the Jews and there are other similarities we all know that the founders of this current way of thinking in India took their took their saw what's happening in Germany of their fatherland our Petri Bhumi not Matri Bhumi though we believe in Bharat Mata as their icon now it goes further and I think this needs to be studied by us in some detail somebody in the establishment has when I see this tirade against love jihad I am reminded of the German laws against sexual relations between Germans and Jews so there is an antecedent for whatever we are doing there is a thought process that is going on and I think we need complete clarity on what the objectives are