 third meeting of the Common Council. Click call the roll. Tell me to do the poll first. Sure, I'm sorry. That's okay. Every citizen of this country should be guaranteed that their vote matters, that their vote is counted, and that in the voting booth their vote has as much weight as that of any CO, any member of Congress, or any president. Thank you. Now the clerk will call the roll. Okay, press one if you're here. Please. Press two one day. John. There you go. Bill. There you go. 14 present. There is a quorum present. Pledge of Allegiance will have Alderman Carlson lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance, please. Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Looking for a motion to approve the minutes of the previous meeting. So moved. It's been moved and seconded to approve the minutes of the previous meetings. Is there any discussion? Any changes? If not, the clerk will call the roll. Go ahead and press one for yes, two for no. 14 ayes. Motion carried. We now have the swearing in of all the person elect, William Longamon. Bill, if you wouldn't mind coming up here please. Would you raise your right hand and repeat after me. I, William Longamon. I, William Longamon. Swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States. Swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States. And the Constitution of the State of Wisconsin. And the Constitution of the State of Wisconsin. And will faithfully and impartially discharge the duties of the office of Alder person to the best of my ability. So help me God. Congratulations. We all welcome you Alderman Longamon. We all welcome you here and welcome you back. Good to see you. Resignation from William Gutzucker from the board of police and fire commissioners. We need a motion to accept and file. Thank you Mr. Mayor. I move to accept and file. Second. It's been moved and seconded to accept and file any discussion. All those in favor signify by, I'm sorry. Clerk will call the roll. One for yes, two for no please. 14 ayes. Motion carries. First we'll have a presentation from the tourism and update on tourism. Good evening. I'm Amy Wilson, the tourism director at the Sheboygan County Chamber of Commerce. And this is the first time I've done with the screen over my head. So most of you who know me, I can't use my hands tonight. If you take out your packets, that's what we'll be looking at. I'm not sure on the screen if you'll be able to see all the numbers without the packets. So what we're going to review first is an update on the new economic model that the State Department of Tourism is using to calculate economic impact. And then we'll look at where the county is positioned and then where the city's positioned in relation to that. So I'm on the very first slide here, which is the new model and the switch. For 20 years, the Wisconsin State Department of Tourism was using Davidson Peterson and Associates. And after that time, they switched to Tourism Economics, which is a Longwoods international company. The Tourism Economics employs a cutting edge input-output implant model that profiles an economy by measuring the relationships among industries and consumers and calculating three levels of impact being direct, indirect and induced. And that's different than what we had in the past. The major differences that you'll notice in the new model, the major, absolute major difference is that Tourism Economics uses a conservative model that assumes 40% of sales within recreation industries are generated by visitor activity compared to 98% in the old Davidson-Peterson analysis. What that means is the old model implied that spending on activities such as movie theaters, bowling alleys, golf courses and sporting events were generated mostly by visitors with much less local demand. And everyone here knows local residents use bowling alleys, movie theaters and go to sporting events in their own communities. So 20 years ago when Davidson Peterson used that model, it was really the only one available at the time. There's more sophisticated models now. Okay. And basically that model works in communities such as Las Vegas where tourism spending is much higher than local spending, but in a destination such as Wisconsin it's outdated. So the data sources used for this model are actually more diverse than they've been before as well. Tourism Economics employs data from the Bureau of Economics Analysis, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, lodging performance data from Smith travel research, tax receipt data from the Wisconsin State Department of Revenue and U.S. Census data on seasonal second homes for recreational use. So you can see this is a much more dynamic model than we've had in the past. And just a reminder on why we even quantify tourism economy and who cares, people come here anyway, right? Well by monitoring tourism's economic impact, policymakers such as yourselves can make informed decisions regarding the funding and prioritization of tourism development. Can also carefully monitor its successes and future needs. And in order to do this, tourism must be measured in the same categories as other economic sectors utilizing variables for tax generation, employment, wages, and gross domestic product, which is typically how manufacturing and agricultural industries are measured. So tourism economics has now stepped up in that same realm. Now if we look at the first chart you can see that, and this is very small so hopefully you can see it on the paper if not the screen. According to the new model in 2010 Sheboygan County ranked 15th in visitor spending among all 72 counties. And in 2011 that ranking jumped to number 14. Now I should let you know that while this is the first year that we're using a new model, when they brought it in they went back to recalculate 10 and 11 so that we would have a comparison to start with because the old model would simply apples and oranges and we would have nothing to look at to see where we started as a baseline. So we've already moved up a point in one year. And I'm on the next page now according to the new model in 2011 Sheboygan County ranked 14th in the state in terms of number of jobs supported by tourism. Go to the next slide we see that in 2011 Sheboygan County increased the amount of state and local tax dollars generated by tourism to about a little over 3.5% or about 800,000 extra dollars that went to local and state government. And the next slide among the Lakeshore counties Sheboygan County ranked fifth in terms of visitor spending in 2010 and 11. Between those two years visitor spending in the county increased by about 6.2% or 10.5 million dollars and this is really our sweet spot because this is our market area and I'm sure I've said before and I'll tell everyone again if you haven't heard the I-43 corridor is the longest running three-way that captures the most tourism dollars in the state and we're right in the center of that so we're in a very good position here. And we're on the next slide there. In 2010 and 11 County ranked fourth among the Lakeshore counties in terms of number of jobs supported by tourism and with a 10.5 million dollar increase in visitor spending the county experienced of 1.6% decrease in jobs supported by tourism from the prior year that resulted in a 4.61 decrease in aggregated labor income or about 3.2 million dollars. Now remember this is a county wide number so it's not necessarily applies just to the city of Sheboygan. And the next slide. The nine counties along the Lake Michigan shores of Wisconsin capture 31% of total state visitor spending while contributing 32% of total state jobs supported by tourism that realize almost 40% of total state labor income generated by tourism. So tourism's Lakeshore economic impact is a significant force to the economic robustness of these communities and the county and the state actually. And we're on the next slide now and now we're going to kind of shift down and see how this calculates into the state and to city room tax dollars. In 2011 in Wisconsin overnight stays along with higher prices pushed accommodations spending up 7.8% so that means there were more overnight stays and the hotel room rates were slightly up. In 2011 in Wisconsin room demand growth grew 3.6% regardless of how many room nights there were or what the price for the rooms were. So now if we translate that down to say well how are we doing then? We have our how we measure our city success is through the room tax collected. So the city of Sheboygan has an 8% room tax that's added on to the room rate every time someone checks into a lodging facility and out of that 8% as you know 30% of that remains in the city budget and 70 goes to support tourism promotion and development per the Wisconsin state room tax statute. So if we look at 2010 and 11 by quarter between those two years in quarter one and these are hard city numbers not county numbers and they exclude Blue Harbor because that room tax for Blue Harbor of course is paying off the conference center. So between 2010 and 11 tourism increased 14% of room tax that it captured for promotion and quarter two the increase was 10% in room tax collection quarter three realized a 22% increase and quarter four realized a 37% increase with an overall increase for the year of 20% in tourism. So as you can see by our measurement relating back to the state numbers over night stays in the room rates and demand growth which averages about 6% we're really in a good position since we've already increased 20% in a year. On the next slide this is the room tax history for the city of Sheboygan that's come to the tourism department for promotion and development and it goes back to 2005 and through a projection of 2012 but if we look at 2005 through 2011 in 2011 you'll see the green numbers for quarter three and quarter four. They're green because those were the years in that time period that captured the highest amounts of room tax in the history that we have. The blue number for quarter two in 2011 is the second highest amount for quarter two that's been captured in the history that we have. And of course for 2011 total room tax was the highest amounts going back to 2005. If we look at what we're projecting now that we see the trends in its national tourism week starting yesterday and the state numbers were released we go back and look at the trends for 2012 you'll see that we're projecting quarters two, three and four to also be the highest quarters for room tax that we will realize going back to 2005. But as we look at these variables throughout the year we also have to pay attention to things that tourism travel is sensitive to in the market. So if we go to the next slide the economic impact variables that we'll be watching of course is that there were some slow down inevitable for inventory driven rebound in 2010 coming off the 2009 recession there's still some effect there. Obviously right now debt worries are driving government policy we all hear about that. High oil and commodity prices are a national trend that keeps affecting consumer sentiment. Household and corporate caution now compounded by financial market volatility mostly coming out of Europe but still impacts household savings and consumer discretionary spending. And nationally travel during quarter one has been trending down since 2008. That's not so surprising since that's January through March and it's very volatile that time of year if you can spend a dollar and you're not sure about the weather you're probably going to wait especially with the caution of consumers right now. Travel during quarter four is also extremely weather dependent. Holiday travel keeps it up but it's very weather dependent. And along with this study and telling us the economic positioning on tourism economics report also told us the top things that travelers experienced on overnight trips to Wisconsin. And if you look at this list we're still in a very very strong position. The number one thing they experienced was lakes and rivers. Well welcome to Sheboygan. And pretty much everything else on here including the small towns and villages, friends, relatives, rural farming areas experiencing the forest, historic areas and wildlife I usually don't see. All of those are things that we offer in the community so we're still in a strong market position. So overall Sheboygan's market position going into peak season 2012 remains very strong. Any questions? All of them born. Thank you Mayor. Amy do you have access to the room tax numbers for Blue Harbor? How they've been tracking since it opened and what was it 2006 or 2005? Actually no those are tracked by the city. I believe your finance department has access to them. Okay thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. The next presentation will be by the senior activity center. Hi my name is Wendy Schmitz. I'm a senior and I do it the old fashioned way pencil on a legal pad. I'm the supervisor of the senior activity center. Once a year I give an update on what is happening at the center. It's fitting that I'm presenting at the beginning of May as May is celebrate older Americans month. We have a lot to celebrate in Sheboygan. Despite a very tough year in the state and city, we had a great year. The staff and participants rose to the occasion and worked together to make us better than ever. With almost 24,000 visits in 2011. Something is happening because 94 new people have joined the senior center since the beginning of this year. So far we have seen an increase of 389 visits per month. I also like to remind you that we're only open Monday through Thursday. Who or what is responsible for the growth? It could be my staff who have worked for the city for 17 and 29 years and still describe their jobs as fun. Really, they do. They set the tone of energy and enthusiasm that is infectious to others. Our senior participants are changing. They come to the center wanting to stay active and engaged in their community. Our seniors are the people who work at the hospitals, the Stephanie Wild Theater, John Michael Art Center, Salvation Army, Saint Vincent de Paul, Make Braille Bibles, our foster grand parents, the list goes on. When not volunteering in the community, they come to play at the center. However, Sheboygan has a history of a strong work ethic. 29 of our programs were developed and are led by senior volunteers. In the last few months new participants have approached me and asked if they could start Canasta, a book club, a music jam session, a greeting card club, orchid growing presentations and most recently a conversational Spanish class. Starting tomorrow we're offering Reiki and Reflexology 2. Last year our volunteers with the help of students from Tower Academy worked to create landscaping with a grant from the Home Depot. The commission worked on improving our energy efficiency as we replace ballast and bulbs and qualify for focus on energy incentives. This year we received a $2,000 grant from Alliant Energy to develop a new program collecting stories and sharing memories with the community. Our seniors are a talented, valuable resource to this community. Our tax preparers gave up three months of their time to go through annual training and work two days a week to offer a free service to the community. This year the program served 193 people. We participated in the Pat Graney Chair Spectacle and House of Mind performance at the John Michael Kohler Art Center. We taught children and families how to make stepping stones that above and beyond Children's Museum. We continued to walk children to school on Wednesdays and now we are helping to train Navi the search and rescue dog. I use the royal we. I don't do these things. They do these things. The friends of the Senior Activity Center hires our volunteer manager which makes all of this possible. Last week she and a team of our volunteers worked at the Wisconsin Volunteer Coordinators State Wide Conference held for the first time at Blue Harbour. The Senior Activity Center was responsible for all of the hospitality. 300 conference participants received bags promoting local businesses. The friends are also responsible for all of our fundraising. We are able to offer a wide variety of programs to a diverse group of people because of our fundraising efforts. As well as all the usual brought fries, baked sales and small fund raises last year, we were given the opportunity to do something unique. In November we set up a factory at the Senior Center and 22 people volunteered to work to raise money towards our renovation project. That turned out to be so successful that in February and March 20 seniors went to RCS every Friday to help with a rollout project. The money that they earned as volunteers was donated back to the center. When added to a memorial fund from one of these volunteers, the total raised was $5,754. The Valrath Company also donated all of the kitchen supplies. The theme of Older Americans Month is never too old to play. Our hard working participants are just as passionate about their play. Last year our TV show which focused on our fitness programs earned a silver award. Five of our table tennis players earned medals at the Badger State Games. We can still boast that we have a state champion and two of our members represented Sheboygan at the Nationals in Texas. We have challenged the mayor he came to see his competition and as yet has not played. We will be going on our third annual skydiving trip in July and our artists are busy creating canvases for the small works auction with Sheboygan's visual artists. Last year 12 of our artists and photographers went to England for the St. Ives Arts and Music Festival. We rented a house right in the town and they were able to walk to the classes and events. This year we have 23 people so far going on a cultural exchange in Cuba. For all those people who still think that they are not old enough to come to the senior center, don't wait too long. Your seniors do Sheboygan proud and they are having the time of their lives. I would now like to introduce Scott Johnston who is one of our friends board members and when he joined the board a year ago he learned that the organization was responding to a community survey to improve the image of the center and to accommodate our ever increasing number of active seniors. Thank you. Thank you Wendy, I appreciate the introduction. Yes my name is Scott Johnston I'm a retired executive from Thomas Industries and about two years ago after being retired about two years my wife kicked me out of the house and said do something. So I decided to get into the volunteering world and I headed up the initiative to begin the volunteer center of Sheboygan County under the direction of the United Way and it's been a lot of fun. Also about a year ago Wendy approached me and said we'd like you to become a board member of the senior activity center and I kind of declined but she's very tenacious and I finally joined and I'm glad I did. I thought I'd go there and it would make me feel older but every time I go there I feel much younger. That's a lot of adrenaline pumping in that building. So I've really appreciated that. Approximately six months ago we pulled the trigger on starting to raise funds for renovation at the senior center. It needs it. As Wendy said the growth rate at the senior center is growing by leaps and bounds. It's double digit and I would say with the renovation and an aggressive marketing campaign that will begin this year the membership is going to continue to grow and grow and grow. So we need to make the renovation happen. We're neophytes at raising funds the first time we've ever had to do it. It wasn't a great success but it was a good start and our key initiative this year is to really renovate and rejuvenate our fundraising campaign that's sustainable long term and it would be a yearly type of event. We've decided to pull the trigger on making the first phase of the renovation happen. We raised $38,000 year to date most of which comes from the membership of the senior center. The gap that exists for the phase one that Joe Clark will present the friends has decided to fill the gap and backfill as time goes on. So we need to make it happen. I'd also like to say that we've yet to really make the community fully aware of the senior activity center initiative of ours even though the membership exceeds 600 members right now I think it's going to continue to grow all the more reason for us to proceed with the renovation project. So I'm having a blast at the senior center. I feel young every time I leave the building and I'd now like to turn it over to Joe Clark who's a member of the growth design group out of Cedarburg, Wisconsin who will describe exactly what we're trying to do. Thanks. As long as my easel doesn't fall over here. Joe Clark from growth design group, it's a privilege to be here tonight and a lot of fun working with the friends of the senior activity center trying to realize the very clear vision that they had for the new dynamic life they wanted to breathe into their old and very solid building. The first part that we're focusing on while we do have some additional phases, the first phase we're concentrating on reworking the two kitchen rooms that they have currently and the lobby space right at the crossing of their two main courtyards and we'll be turning that into a more active cafe environment with a little coffee shop sort of feel, open seating and great sight lines so that everyone can see what's going on and those wonderful smells can spread through the space. So this is what the new lobby space, the hub center of those crossroads would look like, a lot more open and visible and hopefully encouraging the activity that's actually happening down there so that everyone can see it. The cafe space is still small given the requirements of what they've got to work with but we're trying to make it lively and bright and a fun space to be in and another view looking out at the sight lines that connect you to the rest of the center and signage that helps to give people a better feel for where they need to go when they check in and how to get to the other parts of the center. The other pieces of the puzzle that if fundraising continues we'll get to eventually are looking back to the hospitality room which will open up to be a much more multi-use type space with a lot of flexibility we have several different layouts possible for this area and the other piece eventually that will be developed is the art room which just needs to be modernized and made more practical for the users of the space. It's being opened up so it's a much larger space and a lot of built in storage to get the clutter out of the way so it's a much nicer work environment and another view of that art. The focus of the first phase is just that cafe area and the central hub but there are visions for the future and I was nice to keep this as short as possible so with that if there are questions for any of the senior activity center people Any questions? Thank you very much. City Clerk is there anybody for the public forum? Yes we have one person this evening, Greg Lee. If you wouldn't mind coming on up to the microphone. And Greg can I have your home address please? W1981 Mayberry Road. And that's where? In the town of Schweger. Town? Okay. You will have five minutes or? Thank you. First off thank you everyone for being here tonight. More importantly thank you for allowing me to speak. My name is Greg Lee. I'm the owner and operator of Schweger. It's a new Greek food truck that I just recently opened three weeks ago. I've born and raised in Schweger but I spent the last ten years in Los Angeles and while I was there I noticed the boom of food trucks and I really liked the business model and this idea that I wanted to open one up in Schweger and because I love Schweger and my families here and so I just recently moved back and started that. So having only been open three weeks, just an overwhelmingly positive response from everyone. So when I read about the ordinance there's definitely some issues in there that I just questions about mainly I guess I would like to start with the fee increase from $100 to $500. I would just kind of really like to know why such a drastic increase. I did a little bit of research and for instance New York City, their food truck permit is $200. Philadelphia $150 and in Schweger definitely the potential for my financial gain is obviously not that of such a larger city. And for me my business is all about my location in time and the patrons and voting members of the city dictate what they want. So I guess my other issue is the time constraints about my hours of operation. When opening this truck I wanted to be able to provide food for people that are out on Michigan Avenue to create a location for people that are leaving the bar to get something into their stomach if they're drinking or what have you. And I think that $2.30 really would affect my business and the other food trucks. So I guess I looked into Milwaukee and during the week they can stay up until 3 and the weekends they can stay up until 3.30. And with all this I really would like to know if there's documented complaints that would cause these issues that would cause this ordinance to come about and what they were for if it's about selling the same items as a brick and mortar location and this has to do with parking within a certain distance and why is it different that I'm a truck? If I wanted to open up a pizza shop next to a pizza shop it's a free enterprise and I could do that. I'm offering a service for the patrons of local bars for their customers to enjoy alcohol and they have food in their systems so that they aren't drinking on an empty stomach and not getting as intoxicated also promoting patrons of the bars to hang out longer and spend more money and buy more drinks helping the bars make more money. And on another note since we were speaking about tourism, just in these three weeks that I've been open an overwhelming amount of my patrons have been tourists because they recognize oh it's a food truck, they identify with it so they're spending more money in Chewboygan seeing the truck and again with the 2.30 in the morning if people didn't want food at that time they would try to be open but that's generally when people would like to eat rather than forcing them to drive across town what have you to other brick and mortar locations that are open at that time I just really puzzled as to why my hours of operation would have a restraint on them and putting these kind of restrictions on a possible growing sector of the food industry in its infancy you know I could see really being harmful I would like to see Chewboygan have more food trucks like a lot of the other big cities I would like to create these locations of sorts that were a lot of food trucks line up together and people will come from other cities and they'll spend more money in town and that brings more money to the city through sales tax so me being Greek a Greek man 80 years ago started a food cart and later his family went on to open Jooms which you know is a staple in Chewboygan Excuse me Greg would you like an additional minute No I think that's pretty much it Thank you all for hearing me out Thanks Greg Thank you very much That would be it for public forum Alright Thank you To amend the zoning maps to change the use district classification of 1305c Clair Avenue Is anybody here to speak on the hearing Anybody here to speak Anyone here to speak on the hearing Alderman Hammond Thank you Mr. Mayor I move to close the hearing It's been moved and seconded to close the hearing The clerk will call the roll If you vote one yes tune it all please 14 ayes Motion carried Consent agenda 3 1 through 3 11 will be referred 4 1 and 4 2 both communications Alderman Hammond Thank you Mr. Mayor I move to accept and follow all our O's Accept and adopt all our C's and all resolutions and ordinance to be put upon their passage It's been moved and seconded to pass all our O's Our C's and all resolutions to substitute resolutions be put upon their passage Is there any discussion The clerk will call the roll 1 for yes 2 for no please 14 ayes Motion carried 4 1 and 4 2 both will be referred Report of officers 5 1 report of officer submitting communication from Chief Domagalski stating the police department does not approve the request of Shabuigan JCs to extend their hours of serving beverages in the 2012 Broward Stays celebration Alderman Hammond Thank you Mr. Mayor I move to accept and file and approve the request It's been moved and seconded to accept and file and approve the request Is there any discussion All those in favor The clerk will call the roll 1 yes 2 no 3 abstain 14 ayes 5 15 will be referred 6 1 a resolution lifting the hiring freeze in order to temporary hire schedule X employees in the building inspection department Alderman Brasler Thank you Mr. Mayor I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Second It's been moved and seconded that the resolution be put upon its passage Is there any discussion The clerk will call the roll 1 yes 2 no Bill Thank you 14 ayes Motion carried 6 2 resolution lifting the hiring freeze in order to hire a community service officer in the police department Alderman Brasler Thank you Mr. Mayor I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Second It's been moved and seconded that the resolution be put upon its passage Is there any discussion The clerk will call the roll Jody 14 ayes Motion carried Resolution confirming the exercising of police powers for making an assessment for the benefit of property against which an assessment is proposed for water lateral replacement at 1322 North 13th Street Alderman Alderman Brasler Thank you Mr. Mayor I move the resolution be put upon its passage Second It's been moved and seconded that the resolution be put upon its passage Is there any discussion Hearing none The clerk will call the roll Jody 14 ayes Motion carried 6 4 through 6 8 will be referred 7 1 The report of the committee by law and licensing and recommending denying taxicab license 9503 Alderman Vanda Thank you Your Honor Is Simon Rodriguez here tonight He is not here I move that the RST be accepted and adapted I move and seconded that the RCP accepted and adopted Under discussion Simon Rodriguez was asked to come to our meeting two different occasions and he did not come to either so we had to deny his license Is there any other discussion The clerk will call the roll 1 yes 2 no 3 abstain 14 ayes Motion carried Report of the committee from public protection and safety Recommended filing communication from the Shiboy Gignac Club requesting the city organize authority for fireworks on the Harbour Fest 2012 Alderman Van Ackerman Thank you Mr. Mayor I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted It's been moved and seconded that the committee report be accepted and adopted Is there any discussion The clerk will call the roll I just want to make sure I'm on the right one Thank you 14 ayes Motion carried 7-3 report from law and licensing recommending the 9 beverage operator license 9502 Alderman Van Ackerman Thank you Mr. Mayor I move that the RCP be accepted and adopted It's been moved and seconded that the RCP be accepted and adopted Under discussion Alderman Van Ackerman Is Leah Mason here tonight She appeared before our committee with a long list of violations since 2008 and the committee voted 5-0 to deny her license Thank you Is there any other discussion Hearing none the clerk will call the roll 1 yes 2 no 14 ayes Motion carried 7-4 report from committee of law and licensing recommending denying taxi driver license 9522 Alderman Van Ackerman I move that the RCP be accepted and adopted Second It's been moved and seconded that the RCP be accepted and adopted Under discussion Alderman Van Ackerman For this gentleman Tyler Metzner he Called us and said that he no longer wanted to pursue his license So we denied it Thank you Is there any other discussion Hearing none the clerk will call the roll 1 ayes 2 noes Motion carried 7-5 report of committee from law and licensing recommending amending chapter 78 of the Sheboygan Municipal Court to create article 3 relating to mobile food vendors Alderman Van Ackerman Thank you Mr. Mayor I move that the RCP be accepted and adopted and passed the ordinance Moved and seconded that the RCP be adopted and the ordinance be passed Under discussion Alderman Hammon Thank you Mr. Mayor I actually was a little surprised to see this one I guess I wasn't aware there was an issue with with food trucks I happen to think it's kind of neat to have them around but that Be as it may to go from $100 to $500 seems Rather extreme and I guess I just like to know what the impetus Was was there are we getting complaints is there a public safety issue You know what the concern is that prompt the Extreme measures that at least I think that this is taking so I would be interested to hear what the impetus for this was Alderman born I would wait until somebody wants to answer Alderman Hammon's questions if somebody wants to answer them and then I've got a follow up Thank you Alderman Van Ackerman Thank you Mr. Mayor We really didn't have any complaints actually what it was was There are certain things right now that technically are legal At this point with the food trucks so we needed to clean that Up and at that time we decided to do the entire ordinance since we had Heard that there's also more food trucks that would like to start a business in Sheboygan Alderman Hammon you want to follow up on your question See the look in your eye and I am all for you know If there's things cleaning up the ordinance but if there's other it just seems to Like we just looked at this and said well it's a hundred dollars we know other people are coming in so we're going to take it to Five hundred dollars and that just you know doesn't seem or at least to me Seem right and then the two thirty a.m. thing again You know I don't know if we looked at other municipalities and what they were Doing or talk to the people that are operating these vehicles to find out You know what their prime times are and things like that but it would seem To me like maybe we need to think through at least those Two parts and a little bit further before we approve this Thank you thank you Alderman Hammon Alderman Thank you Mayor I would agree with President Hammon Being a former small businessman myself in this community for 33 And a half years and always being an advocate for small Business issues I have a problem when local state or federal Governments want to impose what I feel And some of these are quite a burden to this gentleman who's just out there Trying to make a buck and make a living for himself I would definitely agree with Alderman Hammon that we should take another look At modifying that fee and I see older police chief Domagalski's in the audience tonight I don't want to put him on the spot but I would suggest maybe a six month trial to allow the gentleman to stay open Maybe a half hour to 45 minutes after bar closing On a trial basis and just would get chief Domagalski's initial reaction to that Thank you Alderman Born can you wait one second chief we've got two other people that are going to Come in here first Alderman Reisler Thank you Mr. Mayor I guess one of the things that I look at it is from my Experience in law enforcement and the chief can look at this it's some of the congregated that may happen Because of this and in response to that I'm working on an ordinance with the police department And attorney Adams for a loitering ordinance That would probably alleviate some of the problems Of people congregating if they weren't doing business With this gentleman or another food truck Thus putting the onus back on The individuals who are causing the problems not necessarily this small business person Who's just trying to make a living So I mean we're working on that so I guess what I would ask if worse comes to worse is we kind of hold this Until we can get that ordinance in place and maybe that would make some of the other People that are concerned about The congregating a little bit more at ease and maybe loosen up the hours a little bit And not have the hour prerequisites Thank you Thank you Alderman Reisler You want to come first you should we have the chief The issue as I see it is that if you look At crime in the city between the hours of 1.30 and 4 o'clock In the morning all of that crime is centered around the taverns in this city That crime considers disturbances, assaults Vefs and criminal damage The police department has worked very hard over the last two years to partner with the taverns Create a tavern safety coalition to try to address those issues The biggest factor in those issues is what Alderman Reisler mentioned And that's the tavern closes and everybody wants to go And hang out outside the tavern so we've tried to actively engage the tavern owners Into taking responsibility for that and getting people to move along I think one of the things that we have to understand is people when they're under the influence Of alcohol don't think rationally are more aggressive than they tend to be Normally and aren't Afraid of sanctions and all those other issues So one thing that I would not like to encourage is people leaving Taverns hanging out in those neighborhoods where those taverns are And I think it's very important that we do not forget the other stakeholders And that those being the residents that live in those neighborhoods That don't want people hanging out in their neighborhood at 2.30 in the morning Making noise, getting into fights, damaging their property Littering their property and all the other things that come along with it So in my opinion at this point it's a good business practice To limit that and people that are at those taverns that want something to eat Are free to leave the tavern at 1 o'clock, 12 o'clock 1.30 in the morning and get what they want and go on their way Any questions of the chief? Alderman LeSard Thank you ma'am. I don't have questions of the chief What I'm concerned with is the parking of these food trucks in front of Restaurants during the operating hour Our operating restaurants pay taxes And if they break this fee down to 12 months it's 41 dollars a month And we have taxpayers that count on their business We don't want the food trucks blocking their business I know that there's something in the ordinance about 100 feet Drawn not to vote for this because I don't want to put the small business owners that are operating In brick and mortar out of business because we have food trucks in front I do think they'll be excellent in the industrial areas and the lakefront areas For servicing those people but I think if you're writing an ordinance You need to make sure of all the precautions and when the precautions would be Not running our small businesses out of business Alderman Koth Thank you ma'am. We had looked At a few ordinance and some of those fees were 800 even A thousand dollars on the fees and we looked at Establishments that are taxpayers and then food trucks that are driving Around and parking you know anywhere Also the hundred dollars that they're paying they're not paying that to the city Not paying that to the county and the state I think that the hundred dollars that you're referring to Is a different license that is offered by the city which is a transient merchant license It's dealing with door-to-door sales And has included push cart Things that's what you're talking about it's a hundred dollar fee And the fee that we're looking at is a permit fee not so much the transient so it's a whole different fee All right thank you Alderman Carlson. Thank you mayor One of my biggest issues with this is the fact that it essentially came out of nowhere we have one food truck Essentially operating So this $500 fee just came out of thin air That's an issue and hopefully we can address that the second issue is the hours of operation Let's be honest here besides festivals that's when they're going to make their money It's around bar close Maybe not letting them stay open until 6am but at least past bar time 3 o'clock 3.30 I forgot who suggested it but maybe have a trial period We haven't had them long enough in the town to actually see what's going to happen If anything we already have a couple outside of ours We already have the congregation but maybe in coordination with the Lowering ordinance that they're working on We got to see what happens We can talk about what ifs all day but this is all new to us So just a slap on a $500 fee just because we can And to limit the hours I think is doesn't make much sense to me Alderman Bourne Thank you again mayor I checked with the city clerk this afternoon And I believe this gentleman is paying almost $450 He pays for the county I forgot what it was called so what is it called That fee that the gentleman is paying to the county it's almost $450 What was that called? It's called a mobile restaurant permit I think That they have to get from the county health department And just for another point of information from my fellow council members the gentleman Who owns Sparky's hot dog stands which have been an excellent addition to the community I believe that gentleman and that is mobile I mean he has different locations But I believe that gentleman is paying a fee to the city of $150 Now I realize this is a little bit different business But it's still not a brick and mortar Business like Alderman Lassard was talking to and by the way I agree with that Of having some restrictions on how close that he could park as far As close to Rupps or Fulton Park restaurant but I think and I Go back to what Alderman Hammond said I think the other gentleman is paying $150 per hot dog stand I think it's quite a jump to go from A proposed 100 up to 500 in this community Thank you Thank you Alderman Bourne Any other discussion Alderman Bourne Thank you Alderman Hammond I don't know if you had an amount in mind As far as a fee is concerned if you'd want to make a proposal Or I can make a proposal and see if the council would go along with it Thank you Mr. Mayor and I do have a number in my head but one of the Things that strikes me is you know again back to the Chief Domogoski's comments I think there's a couple things that need to be worked out here yet the fee being won And this hours of operation thing being another and instead of hashing it out here I think maybe it might be best to go back to committee and let them Hash out some of those issues at that point because Again I think $500 is at $100 or $200 considering The bulk of the permitting comes from the county because they need it for the health issue What do we need it for? You know we're not Looking at it from a health issue standpoint other than that they're parking on city roads So I think it needs to go back in my opinion back to committee and have them Take a stronger look at it and really look at this hours of operations thing As well Alderman Hammond Can be Before you make a motion Yes sir A couple other vendors that have asked for these licenses And they're kind of waiting to see what we're going to do so I'd hate to put them off too long Just to get them started they're ready to roll Based on whatever our decision is tonight So if you do have a suggestion on the It sounds like the only two things that people are concerned about is the operation time And the fee so if there's some way to work that out That could be done today or if you want to send it back to me that's up to you Alderman Van Akron Thank you Mr. Mayor I guess I will offer up some amendments to Section J in reference to the fee I would offer the amendment to lower that to $200 and then I would offer the amendment to strike The hours of operation altogether at this point I think At a later date if we feel that that would be necessary that certainly could be Something we could look at I too have a problem with the hours of operation On a couple different levels one I don't think our city government should Be getting into the habit of restricting business If this gentleman can sell euros until five in the morning I applaud his efforts I think the market should set his hours I believe the police department Can handle issues as they arise if there are people that being unruly At his cart I think they need to address that but if people can handle themselves in a professional Development manner and order euros at five in the morning I think they should be allowed to do so The other issue I have is that we restrict The sale of food from food carts until six a.m. If A food cart would want to open up in the south pier district or Down along the boardwalk here to sell food to fishermen that leave On their boats at four or five in the morning I think we've restricted that access So I really feel that we are overreaching I think the business should be allowed to Sell their product as the market Demands and we should move on from there so I would make the motion to lower to Two hundred dollars and to remove the hours altogether Moved and seconded to Amend the resolution to Change the ordinance I'm sorry change the fee to two hundred dollars and remove the Hour restrictions Any discussion on the amendment Hearing none we'll vote on the amendment first All the roll please Okay and I vote would be voting for the Amendments 11 eyes three nose Now we'll look for a motion to approve the ordinance or the Committee report as amended I would then make a motion to approve the committee report as amended Second it's been moved seconded to approve the committee report And pass the ordinance as amended is there any discussion Hearing none the clerk will call the roll one yes to No thank you 12 eyes two nose motion carries Seven six from salary and grievance recommending changing the annual Rate of the mayor's salary effective the period of the first payday of 12 From to April 12 May 12 Through April of 2013 to read 150,000 all in favor 50,000 pass yes tax salary Alderman Raceler It's been moved and seconded that the Committee report be accepted adopted in the substitute ordinance be put upon its passage Alderman Raceler Thank you as far as discussion goes there's actually An error in this and I need to amend it to June of 2012 We met on the 30th of April and it was decided that we were not Going to be able to get this in place in time for May and at that point in time If the committee reminded me if I'm correct it was moved to June It was amended so. In the substitute document it says June It does say June okay. Just on here it says the original. Okay I was looking at it in the other And I thought it said May too but just so we can make sure that it is June Let me check. At least on the computer copy it said May yet So just so we're all clear that it's going to be June I'm happy We aim to make you happy. Thanks. You're happy I'm happy So you want the substitute to read from May of 2012 through the end of the term in 2013 No I'd like it to read the first page of June 2012 through April 2013 That can be a typo I'll change it. Yeah thank you Any other discussion? City Attorney I'd just like to comment that this is contrary to law and it's not enforceable If somebody is to challenge it the issue would be They are agreeing to a lesser salary but I want to put that on the record Thank you Any other discussion? Clerk will call the roll One is yes, two is no. Kevin thank you 13 ayes and one abstention Will be referred to the committee of the whole Alderman borne Thank you Mayor I would make a motion to refer this back to public protection and safety Second It's been moved and seconded to refer this document back to public protection and safety Alderman borne Under discussion Mayor I appreciate the work that Public protection and safety committee has done on this issue so far by hearing The some of the constituents that they're meeting last week I would much prefer and I will Refer it to the committee of the whole at a future date however I wish That the committee would get the input from the DNR and also from the sheriff I'm sorry The police chief over in Kohler Alderman versey called me when he was Home over the weekend and I guess he was working with his constituents on this Petition and he said that the Kohler police chief Would like to come and talk to the to the committee about His experience with the deer population over in Kohler So for those reasons I would like the committee to do some further Work on the issue and then come back with a recommendation Either to the committee of the whole or the council and if it at that time If there's a referral to the committee of the whole I would gladly schedule it But not at this time thank you Thank you mr. Mayor just a little background on the referral To the committee the whole we did have quite a few citizens Come in and talk on this issue it was decided at that point that We would seek input from the DNR and rather than trying Myself or other committee members trying to summarize what the DNR had Explained at the committee we felt that considering there was going to be another meeting anyways It was best that everyone here with the DNR had to say that way if there was any questions For the DNR they could be asked from the floor Another issue that was I guess at least in my mind Why I thought it was appropriate to go to the committee the whole is that I believe only one member of the committee represents the area that was being discussed So I thought it was appropriate that everyone here from the DNR and that the Two or three other alderman that represent this area Hear that first hand information from the DNR and have a vote on that It was appropriate to send it to the committee the whole the vote at the committee was Four to nothing to send it to the committee the whole that way we could hear from the DNR decide What options are available in reference to dealing with the dear situation And then decide what what happened we wanted to take if any again From my understanding there's a permitting process there would be costs involved We are seeking the information from the DNR I felt it was most appropriate to hear Everybody hear that at the committee the whole again The motion at the committee it was a four to nothing vote there Alderman Carlson thank you mayor just to add to David is we were told that by the police department that it's not a public Safety issue it's more of a nuisance and it is a citywide problem so once again That's why we wanted to bring it back to the whole body thank you Thank you mayor I appreciate Those comments but for a little history for some of the newer alderman This issue was brought to the council I believe two years ago Maybe three years ago alderman Hannah was the chairman of Public Protection and Safety at that time and That committee did extensive research at that time on the issue At the committee level and I don't believe it ever came to the committee of the whole That committee looked at all of the data from whoever they got it from And made a recommendation and I guess the recommendation at that time was to do nothing But that would be up to this committee but I you know with our standing committee System I would much rather see the informational Work be done at the committee level and those alderman who wish to attend the Committee meeting can certainly can certainly attend and I'll try to attend if I'm Available but again I would much rather have that done on the committee level And right now I don't think this is a committee of the whole Issue thank you I think the committee of the whole is a committee level Alderman van Akron. Thank you Mr. Mayor Just something that I'd forgotten and I appreciate Alderman Born bringing this up. The notes that we had gotten from Assistant city attorney Adams indicated that in 2008-2009 In the December and January the matter was actually Referred to the committee the whole which then decided not to hire an outside sharp Shooter at taxpayer expense and decided not to deal with the issue at that And again using that reference back in 2008-2009 Considering that it was handled in the committee the whole was another reason That we looked at sending it to the committee the whole as Alderman Carlson indicated The police department was there they gave their input they don't feel that This is a public safety issue there has only been one car Deer accident in the area that's being discussed and that was out in the LS and black stock area which actually borders the county The way throughout that area they're not having incidents Of car accidents they're not having problems with deer running into houses At this point it was the opinion of the police department that this is not a public safety issue Again going back to the other reason as well as the fact that the last time This was here it was handled in the committee the whole again the committee felt it was Important to send it there. Thank you Alderman Hammond I guess I'm just a little confused We're spending 10 minutes deciding on which committee we're going to send this to When you know I don't necessarily know if we're going to have a committee The whole meeting anytime soon but if it sits and waits until the next one You know again is it really this big of a deal To spend this much time and energy determining which committee something is going To go to you know if it goes to committee the whole and Alderman Born the chairman doesn't have a meeting for a month or two it'll wait For a month or two I mean again I don't know why We're wasting this much time and energy on this. Thank you Alderman Wankerman. Thank you Mr. Mayor I agree with Alderman Born I think this is a problem that should be referred back I happen to be on that committee Back to our committee for a little further discussion I was involved in them A couple years ago when we discussed this whole matter and what's always struck me Still does is it seems to be a lopsided issue There's just as many deer on the south side of town and we get no complaints from the south side of town They always all come from the northeast side of town. I don't know if the deer on the northeast He said a town or more ordinary than the ones on the south side of town Or you know what it is but is it really that great a problem I mean this is causing a danger to life and limb It was stated that these deer carry Lyme disease Doesn't grow on the deer to Lyme disease comes from ticks and things that are on the bushes I mean your dog can carry Lyme disease so is it really That great a problem I think we should get it back to the committee where it started And the decision should be made there I think this calls for some leadership And look at the problem and instead of referring it Or kicking the can down the road let's Try and settle it where it is now and that is In public protection and safety Thank you I couldn't have said it any better than Alderman Longamut Any other discussion Motion to send it to public protection and safety The attorney said is the motion that's on the floor Current I made a motion to refer it to back to public protection and safety And somebody seconded it Alderman Venakren Just to again go over some of the background This is not by any means an effort to kick anything down the can or a lack of leadership I thought it was important that people hear from the DNR rather than myself Or anyone else try to summarize what the DNR had to say In an open dialogue with the representative from the DNR I thought it was important to hear their options to hear the process to hear the permits to hear the fees All of that for everyone that was really the emphasis behind this I think it's appropriate to send it there I guess we'll leave it at that Any other discussion Motion on the floor is to refer it back to the committee of Public protection and safety All in favor of calling on Alderman Thank you mayors. I represent that area If it gets referred back to your committee Dave I will be there and see what the DNR has to say Or if the police chief from Colder would come and I'll make myself available Any other discussion Any other discussion No. 3 would it be abstained Don? Sorry Thank you. 9 ayes to send it back 5 noes Motion carried back to Public Protection and Safety 8-1 through 8-7 to be Referred. Other matters City Attorney 9-1 is an RO by the City Clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30, 2012 and June 30, 2013 There's 9-2 also It's going to law and licensing 9-2 is an appointment by the mayor, honorable members of the council hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration Jean Kittleson to be considered for appointment to the board of police and fire commissioners to fill the unexpired term of William Gotzaker whose term expires 4-25-2016 signed by the mayor will be lied over, Alderman Bohr. Thank you Mayor Van Akrem Attorney McLean could you read over the makeup of what the fire and police commission is supposed to be as far as the breakdown of the members, do you have that with you? As far as the what party is Republican, Democrat or independent what the makeup is supposed to be Statute says that there will be no more than 3 members of the 5 member committee from the same party That's what it says I think our ordinance says the same thing 2-4-8-8 No appointment shall be made to the board of police and fire commissioners which will result in more than 3 members of the board belonging to the same political party If I could just follow up Mayor Is there a litmus test or how do we determine whether a person is a Republican or Democrat or independent they have to be a registered Republican with the local party or the same with the Democrats to be considered party affiliated or what's the how is that determined? Well it's a good question I don't think that there is any statutory criteria at least in the past we've not based it on card carrying membership because frankly I don't think many card carrying Republicans or Democrats or any other party anymore I think it's been based on self-reporting and sort of recognized affiliation I think a couple of the members have expressed that they are Republicans or Democrats and on the current board there are two people who have declared themselves as Democrats there's one person who has declared themselves as a Republican and one who has declared themselves as an independent I think Jean Kittleson is going to declare herself as an independent but even if she did declare herself as one or the other there still would be no more than three well I don't think that will lie and we now need a motion to adjourn thank you Mr. Mayor move to adjourn the next slide clickers clickers push one push number one that's right alright