 What's up everyone? Welcome to the Sunday night fantasy recap presented by FanDuel. I'm your host Simon joined as always by my co-host Jay, John Luke and Josh. How are you guys doing this Sunday? Doing fantastic. How are you doing Simon? I'm great. This is a good day of football. I'm still getting used to the Browns being like a competent team that take place in football games. Like I know this is year two of like good football from the Browns but it's a bizarre feeling. Like honestly, I'm just happy to be here. Don't speak too soon. Don't speak too soon. You know, even if they lose, this is not the Browns I grew up watching. To put two consecutive years of good football together. They'll have one like once every 25 years or so but... This is bizarre but it's been an awesome day of football guys. The 1 p.m. slate was absolutely unreal. We've got some great games here on the 4 p.m. slate as well. We started this morning off with a banger out in London and then we've got the epitome of Sunday night football tonight when the Bills and the Chiefs face off. It is an awesome day of football from beginning to end and that new fan dual music at the beginning had me jamming. Slap at the base. I just saw an update here. It looks like the Charger just scored a touchdown. I saw it right now. I see it Austin Eckler. I'm seeing it right now. Don't say well. Josh, I appreciate that. If someone's gonna score it, I'm glad it's Austin Eckler because man, do I love that man. It's always weird cheering for fantasy players and for your own team. What's up, Derek? Welcome in. He said, let's go fellas. And we got Kevin here as well saying bird up. Again, this is the Sunday night fantasy recap presented by FanDuel. We are live here every Sunday night at 7 p.m. While you're here, before we get started breaking down the game story, I want to remind everyone if you have not done so already, hit that subscribe button on YouTube for FanDuel. If you're on Twitch, hit the follow button. Go find FanDuel on TikTok, Twitter. FanDuel at both and make sure you are following them everywhere. There are so many great content creators putting out awesome content through FanDuel. You want to make sure you're not missing any of it and oh my God, did you miss the kicker? Yes, he did. Yes, he did. Woo! You're so much better. To tie. To tie. Oh man. Oh man. It's a great day. It's a great day for the band kickers crowd. I got to say with all these guys today I should wear my band kicker shirt. You have one actually? I do, yeah. What was the over and under on this Chargers Browns game? I can tell you, give me one second because I got a full up. 83 points. Oh, they definitely covered the over but it was 46 and a half points. 46 and a half. So the Browns have almost covered it by themselves. By themselves, yes. One more touchdown and they've covered the whole over under with only their own team and Tim said this Browns Chargers game is just electric. Electric. Good one, Tim. Get it, the Chargers. The Chargers, yeah, that's funny. They're saying kickers having a tough day. Yes, they are. But you know what, Crosby made the one that mattered. He made the only one that mattered. It wouldn't have mattered if you would have missed the other ones. The other ones definitely didn't matter. But it worked out. Guys, the first thing we are going to do today is break down or preview the Sunday night football game between the Bills and the Chiefs. I know we are all very excited for this game. So I'm going to go ahead and pull this game up on the screen for us to start talking about the Bills. Bills versus the Chiefs. The first thing I want to do real quick, just for fun, before we dive into any analysis, let's go through and pick our winners. JL, who do you think is going to come out on top in this game? I'm going to go with Chiefs. Chiefs? Josh? I'm taking the Chiefs as well. Chiefs? I'm taking the home team. I'm taking the home team here. Close game. J? Give me the Bills. I think the Bills are going to pull it out. I think they're going to show on Sunday night that they're forced to be reckoned with. I'm going Bills as well, J. We split last time. I think we did. And I think Simon and I were the ones that were correct. Probably not. Checked out. No, we picked Ravens, didn't we? Josh and I picked Ravens. No, I picked the Ravens. You and I picked Ravens. That's who it was. So I was correct. I was also correct. So J, either you're going to lift me up to your level or I'm going to pull you down to mine, but we'll see what happens after this game today. Joey said more like Viscanto. That's a good one. It's also shocking. Indeed it is. Okay guys, this Sunday night football game, there's the names that we know you're going to start. We don't need to spend too much time talking about them. Josh Allen, you're starting them. Patrick Mahomes, you're starting them. Tyree Carroll, you're starting them. Stefan Big, Travis Kelsey, you're starting them. It's not until we get down here to maybe Clyde Edwards-A-Layer. Josh, how do you feel about Clyde Edwards-A-Layer going against this Bills defense? Are you comfortable with Clyde Edwards-A-Layer in this matchup or is this, if you have better options, maybe play them kind of game? Yeah, I mean it was that going into the week. I think Clyde Edwards-A-Layer don't have a fine game, but you got a temporary expectations because the Bills defense has been fantastic all year. And they've been good against the run game, but I think I'll have a fine game. Yeah, I think I'm right there with you. He's not a high upside play for me this week, but I'm fine with putting him in your lineup if you don't have better options. And you know what, with the current landscape of running back, a fine play is almost a great play at this point. So Clyde Edwards-A-Layer has probably started for you. JL, I wanted to come to you because I know you since the off-season, since Mock Draft started, I've been preaching the value of Cole Beasley and just the volume of targets that he gets. So not just Cole Beasley though, but these secondary receivers for the Bills. Emmanuel Sanders, Gabriel Davis. Are there any of these guys that you are okay with starting tonight or even taking it a step further that you're excited about starting tonight? You think could be a value maybe in a single slate lineup on Vandal? Yeah, I mean, outside of Stefan Diggs, obviously. Yeah, of course. I'm excited to start Emmanuel Sanders. He continues to get targeted on the deep ball. And I'm fine starting Cole Beasley. The two games he hasn't done well, hasn't gotten many receptions this year, have come in blowouts. And I don't anticipate this is going to be a blowout. There's a chance that they target the other wide receiver options there more than Beasley, but I would rather just take the shot on Beasley, especially any sort of like PPR format or DFS format where it's PPR. Yep, I completely agree with you there. Mike's in here wanting to know if we think both QBs will be in the optimal lineup for tonight's single game slate. Do you think both quarterbacks are going to have to be in there for the optimal lineup? Yes. We'll be spending up for those and you'll have to price down at some of the other positions. Josh, you say yes. You think this is the kind of game where both quarterbacks are going to have to be in there? I think so. I think so. In my mind, this is going to be a shootout. So if that's the case, both of these quarterbacks are going to be the top two scorers. 100%. That's what I was going to say, Josh. If you think this game is going to be a shootout, which I agree with you, then I think you need both quarterbacks in the lineup. If you think this could be a sneaky defensive game, if you have the opinion that the Bills can maybe control the Chief's offense a little bit, then maybe not. But I believe both quarterbacks. J or JL, any different opinions on that? No. I mean, the Buffalo defense has been very good, but I think Mahomes is somewhat match-up-proof at this point. I think if it's going to be a shootout, or if the Bills get up and they start scoring, I think Mahomes is going to answer regardless of how good the defense is. Also, Fandle said, polls up for voting so you can pick who you think is going to win tonight. Are you on Team J and Simon with the Bills or Josh and JL with the Chiefs? Team Maryland. Team Baltimore. And Team Spread Across the Country. Team Lower than Maryland. In metaphoric ways as well. Got him. Whoa. So I will tell you guys real fast that the Chiefs are three-point favorites coming into this game. Depends what sport you're looking at, Fandle, three points. And it's a 56-and-a-half point over-under. So they do expect a lot of scoring. I mean, so it's basically a pick-up. The home team getting the three-point advantage in the lines. It's about as close as you can get here. So I'm excited for this game. I hope it's not disappointing. Kev said, hi, scoring. He thinks it's going to be high scoring. And we got Katie in here saying, Josh and JL, she hates me. JL, come on. What's your mom hate me? What do I do? What did you tell her? I don't know. She knows you. JL, tell them I see you. She knows all you hate me. Also, Chargers. Chargers at the ball back, by the way, Simon. Kev came in to tell us. Sweet. Just to let you know. Cool. Chargers. Cool. Come on, Josh. Be nice to me over here, guys. There are a couple more players I want to talk about here. Two more situations really, J. I'm going to come to you for the first one. This Buffalo running back situation has been difficult to decipher all season. Whether you're playing season long or trying to pick one as a value in your DFS lineups on FanDuel. Is there a running back that you prefer to start between Devon Singletary and Zack Moss in tonight's game? No. It's just, it's, it's take you, it's take your pick. It's basically a gamble. They're both getting similar work. It's basically who's going to, you know, break off a long run or score touchdown. I mean, Josh Allen is the running back one on this team. And it's, you know, whoever wants to get some goal line touches. Josh, what do you think? Do you have a preference on these running backs? It's Moss for me. Just because you brought up goal line touches. And I think Moss is the guy at the goal line more often than not. Devon Singletary probably has a little bit more past catching upside. So I understand it's kind of up in the air who could be the highest score, but I'm going Moss myself. And I like Devon Singletary's ability to break off a long play just a little bit better than Moss. So it's, you know, they both got their advantages. It's, it's, you know, flip a coin. Yeah. I, I completely agree with you guys there. It's a difficult situation to parse. But Josh, I like the point that you said it does seem like there's been more red zone goal line touches for Zack Moss. So there might be slightly more upside there. But again, Devon Singletary's got the ability to rip off a long one or just go in for a single touchdown and it changes the entire, you laugh and rip off a long one. Yeah. I kind of like a single touchdown while talking about Singletary. Yeah. Single touchdown. Single touchdown Terry. And I might rip off a long one tonight. I just have pizza for Terry. Albert in here saying bills, 35, 31. So he's on our team, Jay. And Jail's mom saying love you, Simon. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. I'm the only one that's Jail's mom just doesn't like and also I realized what was going on. She was saying she was on Josh and Jail. Yes, for the chiefs. I took it personally because I'm sensitive. And that's what happened there. I love you, Simon. You and Dan Campbell. And Derek coming in saying for a single slate lineup for the, if you're going into a big GPP tournament, he's taking both Buffalo running backs tonight as the differentiator. You know what? And I don't hate that strategy. If this is a high scoring game, both of them could find the end zone. That could happen. Derek, I like that. I'm curious to see how those rosters work out for you. Hopefully come back and let us know because you will differentiate yourself with that right there. And Jay, we got the update. Love you, Jay. Thank you. What's up, Jail? No, I was just going to say, yeah, never mind. Never mind. It was about the running backs, but it doesn't add much. Go ahead. The last player I think we need to talk about on this team. We talked about the secondary receivers and the running backs for the bills. Sorry. Two more options. There's one that I almost forgot that we have to talk about. But first we are going to discuss Dawson Knox, who has been playing quite well recently. Josh, we'll come to you first on this one. How do you feel about Dawson Knox? Are you excited or are you just okay with starting him? Is he someone that you think will be in a winning lineup for tonight's showdown? I'm not excited to start him. I think he has the touchdowns upsides there, but all these receivers are capable of scoring touchdowns. Yeah, Dawson Knox is a little bit of a taller guy, but he's not necessarily that big body tight end. He's a little bit more athletic, I would say. Yeah, he's a thrift for a touchdown every game, but I don't know if I'm throwing in my fandal lineups. There we go. Jail, what about you? Yeah, I'm fine throwing Dawson Knox in there. He has a 13.2% target share in this offense. And in just the last three games, it's gone up 2%. So I think that they'll still most likely target him. And if it is a high scoring game, then there should be a lot of targets to go around. Yep, I completely agree with you there. Guys, one more thing before we move on to the last game. There's one player we need to talk about. He's hiding. He's not even on there right now. Is Josh Gordon playing tonight for the Chiefs? Do we know if he's playing? Is he taking the field? I think he is. OK. We need to discuss Josh Gordon a little bit. Is anyone plugging Josh Gordon in? It could be worth a shot. I would have to see the cost. I know Joey was looking into it earlier when we were on our call earlier. And Joey was saying he would like to throw him in there. So it's the upside there. Sure. I'm trying to avoid it because he could just as easily have a zero point game. Yeah. Not again. Defense. I think a zero point game is more likely than any. Josh Gordon is active and will make his season debut. Yeah. I think a zero is more likely than a blow up game. So I'm avoiding it as well, Josh, but there's always that possibility in the Chiefs of Defense, but we haven't seen Josh Gordon play competitively in a little while. So I'm curious. I'm more watching him tonight to see for future weeks than I am trying to plug him in anywhere. Guys, we are going to move on to our first game of today, the game that happened this morning across the pond in London, the Atlanta Falcons versus the New York Jets. And JL, you know what I want to talk about first, the points leader for Atlanta, the day we've all been waiting for, the Kyle Pitts breakout game. Is he here to stay or was this just a fluke? I think he's here to stay. I mean, it's certainly got, I think, more targeted than he maybe normally did with Calvin Ridley being out. But this, this is finally how we wanted Kyle Pitts to be used. And so the fact that it went well, hopefully the coaching staff there looks at that and realizes, okay, let's start using him for where we freaking drafted them. Yeah. No. Not good. Not good for the Cleveland Browns. Touchdown for the Chargers. Real fast on Kyle Pitts. He's got an eight target, six targets, three targets, nine targets, 10 targets. Titans don't typically see this kind of target share, especially rookie tight ends. And he's getting it. He's a talented tight end. He's, yeah, he's here to stay. Yep. This was, this was what was coming based on his target share, Josh. Unless something else changes where the target share drops. I expect more games like this in the near future. Outside of Kyle Pitts, we had another great game from Patterson on the Atlanta Falcons. Jay and Mike Davis had a great game. This running game for Atlanta, I say great game. A startable game. Mike Davis. That's basically what Mike Davis has done all year. Yeah. He had a Mike Davis game. This Atlanta running game, how comfortable are you with after five weeks? I know we've talked about Cordero Patterson week after week after week after week. And we keep saying it's going to come down. It's not going to, it won't continue at the same rate, but he keeps on coming out with these pretty good fantasy performances at this point. Is he someone in season long, maybe you're starting every single week? I'm never going to be comfortable starting Cordero Patterson. It's just not going to happen all season long. That being said, I don't think he's a sell high because you're not going to get the value that he's giving you right now. I think it's a situation you should just ride it out and enjoy the free lottery ticket. You know, you scratched off a dollar lottery ticket and you got a hundred dollars. Like just take the points. You know, he's, he's been absolutely phenomenal for you. He's, you know, a guy that you probably only have to start in a flex and you're getting high end RB two production. Maybe they do keep using them. Um, Mike Davis, I was not very high on all off season. He's, he's okay. Like if you need 10 points, you're good. That's about it. I mean, he's getting a touchdown. He's the one thing I do like about Mike Davis is he is getting a lot of targets. But with Patterson being involved so much, it is upside is really limited. Yeah. Completely agree. And Michael and you're saying he is a Falcons fan. Well, congrats on the win today, my man. And I bet you were excited to finally see pits involved a little bit in that game. That was a, that was a fun game this morning. Um, the only other thing I think we need to talk about on the Atlanta side is Hayden Hurst's involvement. Um, four receptions. It wasn't anything spectacular, but he did have the touchdown for receptions, 40 yards in a touchdown. Um, jail. Is this a product of Calvin Ridley being out his slight increase in involvement? Is Hayden Hurst someone you're ever comfortable plugging in as a bi-week tight end or are there just better options out there or a value tight end and, uh, in like a GPP? I, if I would want to see it with Calvin Ridley back in, um, I think that, of course, like he's going to be in that bottom tier of tight ends where you can plug them in. They're going to have games like this. Four receptions on five targets is promising, but I would like to see that like a sustained trend versus just one game before I start trusting him in my lineups. I agree. Tim's saying you guys don't have to talk about the Dolphins game if you don't want, just skip it or whatever. Okay, Tim. Oh, yeah. Didn't the Dolphins just skip the game? Is that what happened? Um, guys, as you can see from the Jets fantasy scores right here, it was not the best fantasy outing for the Jets, but we did see some signs of life from rookie Michael Carter out there who showed up, had himself a touchdown should have had to tie Johnson stole the other one from him, but seeing him get in the end zone 10 carries 38 yards, three receptions for 20 yards. It's not a super high volume stat line over there. Josh, I see you shaking your head. I was one. I was going to come to you on this one. Um, are you comfortable starting Michael Carter at this point? Are you still worried about the volume and the splits that it looks like are going on in this Jets offense? I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed in the volume that Michael Carter received this week. I know they were down pretty early in this game and that probably affected a little bit, but, um, he has given the most carries in this backfield, but they're going to, it's a three headed monster, a three headed, I don't want to call it a monster. So three headed something, but I don't, I'm losing faith in like any of these options going forward to be honest with you. So, you know, unless there's an injury to someone, I'm not starting any Jets running backs jail. If you're plugging one of these running backs into a, uh, into a fan to a lineup, which one of these running backs is it? Michael Carter, is it Ty Johnson? And maybe a lower price. It has to be, it has to be Michael Carter at this point. Um, Ty Johnson is interesting. He's got like slightly more targets on the season, uh, but not, not by much. I'm sorry. That's, that was just the last three games. Michael Carter, Michael Carter has more targets out of any running back on this team. Um, so I would rather have Michael Carter. Yeah. I think if I have to pick one, it's Michael Carter. Josh, did you have something else? Yeah, I'm just, I just wanted to say that I want Michael Carter on my fantasy teams, you know, on the bench and just waiting for that one blow up game because it could happen any week where they give him 20 carries. He has over 100 yards of touchdown kind of game. Then I'm ready to plug him in there, but I'm willing to miss that game and write him on my bench for the time being. Yep. Completely agree with you guys. Anything else on the Jets side? You guys want to talk about the wide receivers were rather disappointing. Corey Davis, James and Crowder, Keelan Cole, Denzel Mims, every single one of them was, uh, was a bit of a disappointment. I don't think there's too much else to talk about on the Jets side here. If you started any of these guys outside of Michael Carter and Ty Johnson, you were probably pretty disappointed throwing them in there. Yeah. There we go. We're going to move on to our next game up next. We have the most confusing team in the NFL going up against the Washington football team. The New Orleans Saints faced off against the Washington football team and came out with the W 33 to 22. James Winston looking like classic James Winston out there with the long bomb touchdowns and the interceptions. Jay, does this game, you've been a, not a detractor, but a realist about what James Winston has done so far this season. Even in the five touchdown game, it really wasn't that impressive of a game, uh, from like a football perspective. Does this game give you more confidence for James Winston going forward? It does. The way he started this game is like up. Here we go. This is a James that we all know and love, but then, you know, he's getting a deep ball going and, uh, he's starting to develop some chemistry. He's with, uh, was Deontaharis with Marquez Calloway, dynasty wide receiver one. There you go. There it is. I'd throw that out there. You know, Michael Thomas is supposedly coming back sometime. We don't know exactly when, but before the end of the season, and he gets some more weapon. Yeah. One day, maybe it's next year. Who knows, but, uh, it's starting to get, I like that they got Alvin Kamara involved more in the passing in than they have so far this season. That is what makes this New Orleans offense tick. So I have to say it's for me, it's arrow up for James Winston and where before this, he was unstartable for me. I would, in the right matchup, I would start him as a QB two and super flex or, you know, as a cheap play in, uh, in, uh, tournament. Yeah. I, I think I agree with that, J. This game did a lot for me in regards to how I view James Winston right now. I just, I just needed to see something like this. I needed to see him have the passing volume throw up at least close to 300 yards and, uh, a couple of touchdowns. But Josh, do you disagree on the James Winston take? I do. Let's hear it. 15 completions, guys. It reminds me of week one kind of, uh, to be honest with you. It's, uh, pretty efficient, but we know one of those was just a Hail Mary and he got a little lucky. Very lucky. I, I, I think he's James Winston. Um, he's going to have big blow up games, which is great for, you know, a fandal quarterback, like you said. Um, but otherwise I, he he makes me nervous. Okay. And guys, I don't think too much needs to be said outside for Alvin Camero outside of what Jay said. It was really nice to see him more involved in the passing game this week. And if that's what they're going to keep doing going forward, then, uh, Alvin Camero has got great days ahead. JL, I want to come to you. I know Michael Thomas is coming back soon. I asked Jay if, uh, this game helped change his perception of James Winston and fantasy. I'm asking you the same question about our boy, the preseason height beast Marquez Callaway. Oh boy. I don't know about all that. I was saying as a collective industry, they all lost their minds from Marquez Callaway in the preseason. Everyone was his ADP shot up unlike anything I've seen in recent history. Um, I saw him go in the fifth round in one. He went from undrafted to fifth round. That is absolutely insane. Is this an arrow up for Marquez Callaway for you or neutral? Just a great game. Uh, it's just a game. I think for Marquez Callaway, I'm not, I'm not putting a ton of stock into it until I see it sustained. Right. Just like Josh said, James Winston was hyper efficient, which he won't be able to sustain. Um, Marquez Callaway has had not really the greatest target share, uh, even in this offense with no real other options. I mean, eight, this is the most targets he's seen all season by almost half. He had five. His next closest one was five and week three. Uh, so I'm not super excited about it. And then even add on the aspect that Michael Thomas is coming back. I'm not even trusting Marquez Callaway in a single lineup and not picking him up, not doing anything with him. Yeah. I, uh, I agree with you there, Dale. It is, uh, it is a wait and see for me, but what I did like seeing was that this is possible, that he can do it, that that connection with James is there. It was nice to just see it on the field and you can take that home run shot with Marquez Callaway until Michael Thomas comes back in my mind, whether it's in a fan to line up or in your flex spot. He's got that upside. Okay. We are moving on to the Washington football team. Antonio Gibson. I know we had big worries about him. So in my mind, that was my favorite thing about the steam scene in this game. He wasn't hyper efficient, but he looked okay on the field out there. I was super nervous about that shin stress fracture, but Antonio Gibson gave me the confidence to keep starting him this week. Um, or in weeks going forward, whereas this week I was a little bit nervous to even plug him into my lineup after that news came out. Um, anything else you guys think is worth talking about on this, uh, on this Washington football team side? Anything else that stands out to you? Terry McLaurin will have much better days ahead. Uh, 11 targets for receptions, 46 yards. You're, you're going to look at the fantasy points and not be very impressed, but he, he's a plug and play every week. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Appreciate you saying that, Judge. You should not lose confidence in Terry McLaurin after one bad game like this. Guys, this was one of the weirdest football games I've watched recently. The Green Bay Packers versus Cincinnati Bengals. Totally weird. Before we get into that, we have a couple of questions in the chat. Derek wants to know, Jay, this one is directly put to you. How can Jacksonville's or Chanel and Marvin Jones and both of them get one reception each? What's going on in Jacksonville with those receivers, Jay? I don't know, but Urban Meyer really seems to grind my gears. Um, he, uh, sorry about that. Um, so you saw the one catch that LaVisca Chanel had, he broke like three or four tackles, one for 58 yards. It was beautiful. You saw why people like me and Josh are so obsessed with the upside potential of LaVisca Chanel. I just, I don't get it. It's the same reason that Carlos Hyde was in there for the last goal I'm carried to win the game. Like it's just, it doesn't make any sense. I don't understand it. It was Tavon at Austin Day, apparently like we talked about earlier. I just, you saw last week with LaVisca Chanel did like it just, I don't get it. It's a poorly coached team. Yeah. It's baffling that they don't use him more. I'm just absolutely shocked. Adrian in here, saying, Saquon Barkley won't be getting picked by me no more after that injury today. Very unfortunate. It's so unfortunate. We, that was so sad to see. I, I hate that for him. He just wants to get out there and ball like the baller that he is, but he can't. He just keeps getting injured. So hopefully this isn't anything long term. It was a freak thing. Well, we'll get to that, but it was, it was a freak injury. It wasn't, you know, people were saying, oh, he's going to be injury prone. Like it was a freak injury. Justin Herbert. I am a little disappointed, but again, I'm just happy to be here to be in the conversation. Just happy to be here. I'm just here and you can even find me. I'm okay with that because I'm pretty happy about these games. Guys, the first thing we need to talk about is the kicking situation in this game. Just kidding. We don't have to spend much time on that. It was bad. It was the best part of the game. They just kept on missing. Mason Crosby couldn't get it through the uprights. Devonte started with three miss P. A. T.'s. Absolutely insane. Oh, weird. Devonte Adams did what Devonte Adams does with 11 receptions, 206 receiving yards and one receiving touchdown. We don't need to talk about him. He's the guy you can spend up on in the right matchup on Fandle. You plug him into every single lineup you have if you have him. But the secondary receiving options here did not do very much. Randall Cobb, the next high scoring wide receiver, JL, a secondary receiving option here in Green Bay to start throwing a Fandle lineup as a high upside play. Which one of these guys are you starting? Is it Randall Cobb, Alan Mazzard, our boy, Mari Rogers. That's my answer. It's Aaron Jones. That's not an option. It is an option. He has the second most in on the season. Devonte Adams is 38.1% of the target share. Oh, my gosh. 38.1%. The next closest player is Aaron Jones at 11.9%. Aaron Rogers had 344 yards passing and Devonte Adams had 206 of the receiving yards. It's absurd. It is absurd. Devonte Adams is the receiving part of this offense. The only thing you're doing with any of the other wide receivers on this team is throwing a Hail Mary for a touchdown. You're throwing the Hail Mary and then you're hoping Aaron Rogers does the same thing because Devonte Adams is the passing offense. Him and Aaron Jones. Outside of those two guys, I think the other thing we need to talk about here is the split between AJ Dillon and Aaron Jones. Josh, I know you were looking at that a little bit during the game. Joey, we were talking to him earlier. Joey, right? He was a bit concerned about the usage here. Wanted to dig more into it. Are you concerned for Aaron Jones going forward based on the usage today? No. As long as he's getting at least 15 carries, I mean he got into the game. He's such an explosive athlete and a really good running back in this great offense. So I'm fine even with this split that we're seeing. Jay, J.L., any dissenting opinions on the AJ Dillon Aaron Jones splits or are there of you more worried than Josh's? Not at all. Yeah. I think he's getting involved, which is kind of what you want to see. I mean, it isn't great, I guess for Aaron. It does cap the ball that's going to, you know, open the offense up for Aaron Jones. Well, like you said to J.L., Aaron Jones is the, not only the running back one, but he's the wide receiver too on this team. Aaron, Aaron Rogers loves to throw in the ball. So I think he's going to be perfectly fine. It's, you know, with the extra game this season, I think you're going to see backups get more and more involved as the season rolls along. So I think Aaron Jones is going to be perfectly fine. I completely agree out of all the teams in the NFL, the one where the quarterbacks preference of receiving options matters the most is probably the Packers. Aaron Rogers throws to who he likes. And he likes Aaron Jones and Devontae Adams. So it helps out there. Guys, before we move on, go ahead, let's do it. We'd be dropping Robert Tanya if you haven't already. Like can we, can we just bury all hope on Robert Tanya this year? I think there's probably better options on the waiver wire. If you can pick up a Dawson Knox, Dalton Schultz is probably already picked up. I hope so. But if he's not, that's a better option. But I think you're fine. Tight end is a, it's a, it's a bit of like a hellscape after the top five guys. So. One of seven for eight yards on two targets this game. I don't think he's had done much better in the season except for against Detroit in week two, where he got a touchdown. But his target, but he had three targets that game. Yeah, I want no, no piece of him. He's basically a low end Hail Mary play. You're open for a touchdown. He's got a lot better options out there. Like you said on the waiver wire, I want no, no part of Tonya. Josh, you're making some faces like he might have a slightly different opinion. What do you think about Robert Tonya? I think he's just as good as a lot of these back end tight ends. You know, in this, yeah, he's kind of a dart throw, but he's on the field a lot and it's Aaron Rogers as his quarterback. The touchdowns will come throughout the year. I think I get that. I threw that, I think in there please. I think he'll be a top by a 15 tight end by the end of the year. I was about to say top, that is a hot take, Josh. Top 15. Yeah, I agree with you. I'll buy that line. That's a good line. Put that fandal and put that out there. I say, Josh is the top five tight end for the year. Tight end. Not top five. Guys, before we move on to the Cincinnati side of this game, Charlie had a question for us. Trade value of Will Fuller. So I'm guessing redraft. You think he can become that offense? Say, trade value is probably half eaten ham sandwich. If you could get a ham sandwich, I'm happy with it. Yeah, yeah, full one. I think he can be, but he's somebody you're going to, if you have some room for on the end of your bench, like, you're not excited to start him. He's a stash to see if something develops, but I'm not excited about, there we go. I think we're going to clip Josh's handle. But yeah, I think he's a fine stash, but I, I wouldn't give up anything for him. No, not at all. And what's the wide receiver to him? The dolphins going to do really in fantasy, you know? Yeah, I agree with you, Josh. That was the point I was going to make. I don't think he can get to wide receiver to range being the wide receiver to on the dolphins. He would have to be the wide receiver one on that team. And I don't think that's happening with Jalen Waddell and Devonte Parker right now when we were set in. I don't know what you're going to be able to trade him for. High volume enough passing offense to support, you know, that many weapons. And two is going to, when he comes back, he's going to spread it around. You know, they saw they got Gaskin involved today. Gisec, he's still there. Like you said, Simon, you got Waddell. You've got Devonte Parker. So he's, he's going to be a flex play that you're hoping for a long touchdown. Yep. Yep. Well, same stuff, y'all his favorites. We love you to do. Well, thanks for joining in and watching us today. And Joey coming in with a little more info on Tanya and saying Tanya's rest of season schedule is rough. His remaining matchups give up on average the fifth least amount of fantasy points to the tight end per game. So it is getting tougher for Robert Tanya going forward and we haven't seen good stuff so far. So keep that in mind. Guys, we are going to go ahead and move on to the Cincinnati side of this ball. And Josh, whatever you got on to our call where we were watching games together was, did you see that chase catch? We don't have to talk about him too long. He's great. But just talk to us a little bit about what you saw from Chase today and what you think it means for him going forward. I mean, so far throughout the season, he hasn't necessarily been a high target guy. He got 11 targets today, which is beautiful to see. Six touches, 159 yards and a touchdown. This is awesome. And I mean, he looks, we knew he was going to be this deep threat, but if he's going to be hyper targeted as well, he's just going to be a fantasy stud the rest of the season. And I think he will be. Yeah. Anyone else hate that take? Any Jamar Chase haters here? No Jamar Chase. Not at all. We all love that man. Josh, I'm actually, or you know, we'll go to J for this one because you like Joe Mixon a bit too. Was this split between Samajia P. Ryan and Joe Mixon, just due to the Joe Mixon injury to him being banged up or are you worried about this becoming more of a committee going forward? No, I think it's definitely just because of the injury that, you know, he got the touchdown. I think it was encouraging to see him out there, you know, being banged up, not practicing this week. No concerns for Joe Mixon. Somebody is, you know, like you said, Josh and I are both on the Joe Mixon bandwagon. I think I think this Cincinnati offense by the end of the year is going to be firing on all cylinders. I want any piece of this offense I can get. And Jail, on that note, there's another piece of this offense of you love the talent. You've been hyping him up quite a bit. T Higgins had a bit of a disappointing game today. Are you worried at all with with all the receiving options in this offense that he's going to get forgotten? Or is this just part of the T Higgins cycle? Are we going to see boom games in lower scoring games? I think he's still fighting that shoulder injury that's been bothering him would be my guess. He, you know, Jamar Chase, as I said before, he has 10, he had 10 targets today. T Higgins has seven. This is a high passing game. I'm not that worried about T Higgins. He he's going to be a big part of this offense. And I think a lot of that injury just hampered him a little bit this week. Yep. And then Josh, one more Bengals player we need to talk about Tyler Boyd. Is he the man left out or are you a J where you just kind of want pieces of this offense? No, I've been saying this all year. It's like one of these either T Higgins or Jamar Chase are out. Tyler Boyd is a great play. If they're both playing, Tyler Boyd is a great receiver. He's going to get he's going to have his, but he is not. He's the third option. He's a third option. Yep. I agree with you. I think with both other receivers and the only times you're starting Tyler Boyd is if you can recognize and identify a team that is very weak against slot receivers specifically. Like if you are going up against a team that has a weakness against the slot receiver, you can throw Tyler Boyd in otherwise the other two receivers are going to be a safer bet for you. Anything else about this game? Nope. Detroit, Minnesota, the Detroit Lions versus the Minnesota Vikings. We got a heartfelt post-game press conference from Dan Campbell after this tough, tough loss for his team. A shot, a couple of tears for his boys, his hardworking boys out there on the field that didn't come away with the W, but it was a fun game to watch. Another one of these awesome 1pm games that came down to the wire. Excuse me. Josh, on the Detroit side of this ball, DeAndre Swift and our kicker there were really the two high-scoring players. There wasn't much going on outside of that besides St. Brown. Are you comfortable or, sorry, let me back up a little bit. Yeah, go ahead. For this running back situation here, we know Williams has been involved quite a bit throughout the season as well. Does that worry you for DeAndre Swift or was today the top ten guy, top five guy the rest of season? DeAndre Swift? Yeah. He's the top ten guy going forward. I'm not putting him in the top five, but he's a back-end top ten running back for me the rest of the season and it's because of his past catching upside. Jared Golf loves to check it down. We're seeing just ample targets every week for DeAndre Swift and, you know, Jamal Williams got more rushing attempts, but DeAndre Swift is getting enough if he's going to continue getting these targets in that week out. The other big storyline on this Detroit side of the ball, TJ Hawkinson had a disappointing game. You would think that he would have been targeted or a bit more involved in this offensive game plan. Jail, was this due to his injury? I know he was questionable. Was this an injury concern or was this just a bad passing game for TJ Hawkinson? Can he be game scripted out? I don't know. Honestly, we don't know at this point. Hawkinson has just targets that he's seen after the first two weeks has just gone down. He had, let's see, week three through five, he had two targets and eight targets and three targets. I think that they're just, they're mixing up their game plans and probably the injury has something to do with that, but I hope that they start targeting him more going forward and we get this sort of Hawkinson that we wanted to see at the beginning of the season that we were all expecting. If this man gets everyone excited and then just the rest of the season, I'm going to be so upset because I really love TJ Hawkinson. And then, J, are you starting or plugging into your Fandal lineups any of the wide receivers on this Detroit team? Honestly, no, not a single one of them. Jamal Williams and Deandre Swift are the wide receiver ones and wide receiver dudes on this team. Like, just, I want no part of them not even as a punk lay, honestly. Just so to side, we got a couple comments. Tim Burrow is going to get injured again. He said he got absolutely salt hate on that run. I'm surprised I didn't see his lower half run into locker room without his torso. It was one hell of a hit. I was impressed when he came back out on the field. That looked like it hurt. I was afraid of a concussion, but yeah, it did not look good. Fingers crossed that dude can stay healthy. Slide. Joe Burrow slide. Please Joe Burrow and then Michael has a question. He wants to know, do we think the Raiders will go to the playoffs? This year. It's a no for me. Probably not. No. I just, I quickly looked it up. 538 has his chances of going to the playoffs. 30%. Yeah. This isn't great. They've looked really bad the last couple of weeks. I know they came out hot to start the season, but I don't know. I don't like what I've been seeing lately. And I just don't see, I don't see it happening. They're in a really tough division. Yeah. There's too many good teams in the AFC. I just, I don't see it happening either. Yeah. But the answer is no. They can. Like it's still possible. It's within the range of outcomes for this team. It wouldn't be shocking if they did by any means. No. If I had to bet money, if you said a million dollars right now, do they make it or not? I'm saying no. I'm saying the Raiders do not make the playoffs. Wait, you have a million dollars to bet? No. No, no, no, no. I got three. And no, you cannot borrow one. Maria said, bet you all thought I wasn't here. Surprise. I'm ready to recap. Let's do this. Okay, guys, on the Minnesota side of this ball, one, I don't know if you saw the intensity with which Kirk Cousins was shaking his hammer after they won the game. He grabbed that man, screamed in his face and shook him. And he moved up three spots in my rankings because of that intensity. That was unreal. That was so fun to watch. But Alexander Madison had himself a game with Dalvin Cook out. I know in the past, we've seen this before where Dalvin Cook goes out. Everyone plugs Madison in and he doesn't show up, but he shows up. Today, Josh, if Dalvin Cook is out again next week, is Madison a guy you can plug in and expect something similar? 25 carries and seven receptions. No doubt in my mind. You could have done that this week. I mean, after seeing week three where Dalvin Cook also didn't play, Madison had 26 carries, 112 yards. It's pretty much he had the same exact game when Dalvin Cook was out last time. So, absolutely. He's a must start in my mind if Dalvin Cook stopped playing. Yep. I agree with you there. And then the receivers here, J.L. Justin Jefferson. Wait, Josh, you're saying that was week three, right? Against Seattle? Yeah. I think I said week three. Yeah, because I guess Dalvin Cook did play a little bit last week. Okay. Makes sense. Before we go on, Charlie said, my phone died and I totally missed your answer to my question. To recap, Jay said half a ham sandwich, but in all reality, unfortunately right now with Will Fuller being injured trade value is almost zero. You're going to have a hard time finding someone to trade you anything for Will Fuller. And I believe the consensus was that if he's the wide receiver two on the Dolphins, it's going to be tough to find wide receiver two value in fantasy. He's not a bad bench dash, but that's about it. Yeah. He's a guy you throw on your bench and see what happens. But I wouldn't be, you're not going to get anything trying to trade him. Can't burden up again just in here with all the bird ups. Sorry, Justin Jefferson, so earlier in this season, I wasn't poo-pooing on him, but saying a little bit disappointing and you were singing the praises of his consistency so far. Is this just more of the same as this kind of game what we're expecting from Justin Jefferson going forward? Almost 16 fantasy points without a touchdown. Yeah, absolutely. You know, he is the target share leader on this team 24.5% on the season. I think he is the wide receiver one on the scene. And a disappointing game from Adam Thielen, but Jay, are you comfortable with Adam Thielen going forward? Is he a kind of guy you would want to be throwing into some fan dual lineups is the cheaper receiving option? Yeah, I think he's I think he's solid, but you said it right there. It's Adam touchdown Thielen. It's touchdown a bust form, although he has had a decent amount of targets this year. He hasn't scored over your double digit fantasy points in a game that he hasn't scored a touchdown. He doesn't have a single 100-yard receiving game. So for me, he lacks the upside of the Justin Jefferson. You know, when the running game is going to be so involved, you know, I don't see Madison just going back to the bench and not being involved as good as he looked when Cook comes back. So you're going to have Cook, you're going to have Madison, you're going to have Justin Jefferson. It's going to be touchdown or bust for a big game for Thielen. I think he's a rock solid wide receiver too, but I just think that his upside is capped. A little bit of trivia here for all three you guys who has more receiving touchdowns on the season? Thielen or Jefferson? Probably Jefferson. They're tied. I'm not Simon. I'll just go for it. It's a trick question. I'm still going Thielen. Simon? I guess. I guess I'll go. I'll go Jefferson. And Josh? Jefferson. Jefferson. It is Thielen. He has four compared to Jefferson's three. Jefferson had one week with two. Sorry. He went off week one. I think it was week one, right? Yeah. Thielen. Yeah. He went off week one. Yeah. I thought you were trying to trick me there. The double trick. The double trick. Yeah. I thought you were going for the double trick right there. Guys, anything else on this Minnesota game before we move on to our next one? Then up next we have the Denver Broncos versus the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Steelers won at 27 19 and it wasn't as close as that score says. That score makes it look like it might have been a close game, but it was not. Well, the Broncos came down at the end of the game and they kind of drew it through an interception, right? Right. Yeah. Sorry. Most of the game it was not that close. It wasn't. I remember you saying at the end of the game week, are the Broncos trying to make this a good game? Are they trying to match the other games? But they just couldn't quite do it. Yeah. Adrian. I'm so sorry, man. He gave him a third place of a four man. This week you got it. You got it next week. Yeah. The Denver Broncos versus the Pittsburgh Steelers in this one. Teddy Bridgewater back in Cortland Sutton with a hell of a game. Josh, is Cortland Sutton the only receiver you're starting on this team right now? Or are you okay with Tim Patrick as well while Jerry Judy's out? I'm okay with Tim Patrick in a deeper league and he, you know, he has an he's an upside play in a fandal lineup for sure. He's not going to be very expensive. He's not a big name. I love what I saw this week. Start for me in normal fantasy leagues. Completely agree with you guys on that one. The running backs in this game, sorry, Williams with eight carries, 61 yards, Melvin Gordy, nine carries, 34 yards, more of the same. They just keep on pretty much evenly splitting that backfield. JL, is there one of these backs that you prefer on this team between Javante Williams and Melvin Gordner? Is it a 50-50 crapshoot for you? It's Javante Williams. He's looked fantastic. Both of the last two games. He outperformed or out-efficient. Efficiency. How do you say that? More efficient. Out-of-efficient. There you go. There you go. More efficient than Melvin Gordy this week. The eight carries for 61 yards compared to Gordy's nine carries for 34 yards. Better in the receiving game today. Better in the receiving game. Javante Williams had three receptions for 25 yards on three targets. Melvin Gordy had two points. Anybody disagree? Anybody prefer Melvin Gordy? Hell no. I wouldn't say I prefer Melvin Gordy. Jay's the only one who's going to push back. It's not that I definitely think it's not it's not saying anything about Williams. I just still think that Gordon's going to be plenty involved to cap that upside for Williams. He will. Definitely if you're looking for the home run play it's Williams no question whatsoever. But I just think that yep on the on the Denver side of this ball guys anything else that you think is important from this game that we need to discuss Noah Phant not very involved three receptions 20 receiving yards any worry about him or just a bad tight end game because tight end games can be bad. Yeah, pretty much that's where we are. Yeah. You keep starting Noah Phant. You keep plugging him in your lineup. He's one of the better tight ends to start. You're going to get as much as you can do there. One thing I did want to say about Denver Jared Judy could become a back soon so check your waiver wire see if he's available. You know you can stash him on your spot if your league has that or even throw him at the end of your bench because Teddy Bridgewaters look pretty decent and Judy I think is going to have some late season value. Yep. Completely agree on that one. We're going to move on to the Pittsburgh side receiving yards and a receiving touchdown and then Deontay Johnson saved his day with a touchdown two reception 72 receiving yards one receiving touchdown. Josh is Deontay Johnson still the wide receiver one in this offense. This was just a clay pool game. Yeah. Deontay Johnson is going to get the most targets going forward in my opinion. He's going to I mean Ben Roffelsberger still is having a shoot Schuster got hurt. This game I don't know the extent of the injury Deontay Johnson is definitely the fantasy wide receiver one in my opinion. The fantasy wide receiver one. Not the on the Steelers but he's a great option week in a week out he's going to get so many targets of receptions. Yep. I completely agree with you there. Deontay Johnson is the one and then with Juju out I'm not seeing and I'll I'll do a little looking but I think it makes you a little more comfortable throwing chase Claypool and you know Claypool's been more of a boom bus guy but if the targets are going to go to Johnson Claypool and Harris then you know just having that one less player and in there and take targets away I think is a safer floor for Claypool. Yeah. Smith Schuster he got his shoulder injured and it says right now yeah. I completely agree with you guys there on that one anything else on this Pittsburgh side of the ball the wide receivers were the big thing that I think we needed to talk about here. Just to sum that up like if one of these wide receivers is out the other two guys are great options just because Ben Routhelsberger loves just chucking it down to them in PPR leagues they're they're going to be great. Yeah. That's what I say Najee Harris is a every week start period. Very terrible. Yes it's terrible but fantasy football volume is king he's only had one game under double digit points this was a very tough matchup and he was still able to get over a hundred yards of touchdown the Broncos have given up the fewest fantasy points to running backs this season so far before this game you're starting Harris every single week no questions asked he's either going to get it done with a touchdown the rushing production or he's going to get it done with catches this is a game now I think that is a little bit inflated from that 19 19 target week week week three but but he's still involved right still involved in passing game so I completely agree with you Jay. Yes there we go okay guys we are going to move on to our next game the Tennessee Titans vs. the Jacksonville Jaguars it looked like for a minute this is for the Titans in a row but they ended up putting it together a little bit and the Jaguars were back a little Trevor Lawrence took a step back again this week compared to what we saw last week so on the started that load over there yeah we got it on the Jacksonville side of this ball is where we're going to start Trevor Lawrence with 22.72 or let's move over to FanDuel scoring 22.72 fantasy points from Trevor Lawrence any comfort in a season long format starting Trevor Lawrence or do you think we're going to get some of this up and down from him in this Jacksonville team in a season long format I still don't really have a lot of interest in starting Trevor Lawrence we talked about it earlier this team is poorly coached in my opinion and Trevor Lawrence kind of I'm not going to say saved his day but I'm going to say that's enough and he's got a big body that he can throw around but I would rather avoid Trevor Lawrence if I can I completely agree and then James Robinson with 18 carries 149s and a rushing touchdown I know people were worried about Carlos Hyde at the beginning you had some concerns because of his connection with Urban Meyer are those concerns dead for you is this James Robinson's back field yeah no we adapt based on what Trevor has found his sense at least in some ways how's he though he found sense in one thing giving James Robinson the ball over there and then we talked a bit about these receivers earlier guys Marvin Jones need to be more involved in this offense for Jacksonville to find success offensively and they're not so hopefully Urban Meyer pulls his head out of wherever it is and starts ahead for Viska or is this a hands off situation while Urban Meyer still the coach there I wouldn't say hands off I definitely think better weeks are ahead but you can't be comfortable because this you know everybody was thinking with Chark out that Viska was going to get a much higher target charity just didn't happen I don't understand why you saw he was you know he broke a couple tackles he made a big play with the one catch that Urban Meyer and Tavon Austin getting five catches for 54 yards so you just don't know what's going to happen with this team you know I thought Trevor Lawrence looked the best he did last week when he was you know targeting Marvin Jones and I thought he looked fantastic and he looked solid today but didn't look good by any means no absolutely not and Michael and his team doesn't help D soldier has a question for us before we move on to the Tennessee Titan side of this game he wants to know should he trade Keenan Allen for Cordero Patterson Jay you're shaking your head you hit this one for us now absolutely not no question Keenan Allen is the wide receiver one on one of the best offenses you know I love Mike Williams but Cordero Patterson the bottom could fall out at any time you just there's no chance I would ever make this move yeah I agree there's some part of me that wants to like he say man if you're running your running back situation is horrible you can put Cordero Patterson as you're running back but yeah Keenan Allen's too much if that was the case you could get a better running back for Keenan Allen for Cordero Patterson a general tip when a guy's been blowing up like Cordero Patterson that's probably the worst time to try to trade for him his value is the absolute value on your team okay guys we are going to move on to the Tennessee side of this ball Derek Henry 29 carries 130 yards in three rushing touchdowns just doing what Derek Henry does this is a guy that could be worth paying up for in your in your fan to lineups every single week he's a stud anything else to add on Derek Henry no he's good and then outside of Derek Henry Tennessee Titans offense that was pretty much it and you know what I think you're going to see weeks like that Derek Henry can be the Tennessee Titans offense almost to a whole are you guys concerned about Ryan Tannehill rest of season this is a couple weeks in a row he hasn't looked great John Luke we'll come to you on that one how do you feel about Ryan Tannehill going forward he was a pretty much consensus QB1 preseason whenever people were drafting I mean he let's see in PPR looks like he's QB 20 I'm glad he's catching a lot of passes yeah I guess it doesn't matter it doesn't matter at all I'm sorry I'm sorry I had to do it to you the thing I was looking at didn't satisfy and I was like why isn't that the thing there I didn't even think about yeah you know he's QB 20 so I think at this point like that's right where we need to expect right like he's not going to be he might give you QB 1 weeks QB 1 every week next week he plays Buffalo I'm not going to be super excited for that but then Kansas City Colts Rams so it's kind of a mixed schedule but yeah I think QB 2 is right where he belongs QB 2 right where he belongs in JL's eyes that is disappointing though for people that drafted him they were expecting a QB 1 as far as I as far as I know I think most people expected QB 1 performances out of Ryan Tannehill gosh you love AJ Brown he is one of your favorite players in the NFL I know at least before the season he was your dynasty wide receiver one are you concerned with the way this offense is running right now with Derek Henry getting all of these carries that AJ Brown is going to continue having these like disappearing act type weeks or is this more him coming off an injury and needing to be eased back into the offense I'm going to be honest I'm glad you came to me because I wanted to talk about AJ Brown just for three receptions I saw some reports that were saying he really was only going to be active act as a distraction somewhat and he was on the field actually more than I even expected um AJ Brown I really do think will be fine and I think Tannehill could be fine once he gets all his weapons back does that mean he's going to be a quarterback one every week now he doesn't do you think when Julio comes back you think he's going to have that low end QB1 high end QB2 potential or you think he's going to be more where JL was talking about yes and I know like week one and week two we had Julio and AJ Brown but you know he was throwing a lot more Derek Henry has got a lot more involved and I think that's I mean they they're when you know they lost against the jets last week they won this week but I don't know it's going to be hard for them to continue especially like I keep saying it that extra game but you know that's extra hits on these guys' bodies I don't think that Derek Henry is going to get 29 carries every single game through this year I think they're going to have to you know air the ball out a little more so I'm a little I'm with you on that I think AJ Brown is going to be perfectly fine Jay I should agree with you everything says to agree with you about the Derek Henry workload then agree with me except what I've seen from Derek Henry he's a monster he said makes sense he's a great god basically he should apply Derek Henry's the exception and I've been done trying to apply the standard rules of fantasy football to Derek Henry he's a guy who can handle 400 touches two years in a row he can do it not many running backs ever have been able to do that Derek Henry breaks rules I agree with you maybe harbor some caution but if there's one player that can maintain a workload like this it is Derek Henry and if it's working they might just keep on going back to it second season is he running back one overall for you guys the rest of the season yeah Yeah he's back yeah man yeah he's been the only thing that worries me is his lack of involvement in the receiving game but we have seen a little bit better this year yeah it's been a little more this year but man I think he has to be your RB one rest of season in redraft I don't see how you trivia for you. Yeah, that's I had to feel love trivia. So the the player with up until now, so including all the week, five games up until this point, the second, the running back of the second most rushing attempts is Alvin Camara with 94. How many, how many does Derek Henry have? Oh, God, 150. I'm guessing I'll say I'll say 142. And J. 143. You price is right, my God. What? I haven't got it. 142. I am 100 percent convinced he looked. I didn't I'm scared right at the same screen. You are what you're almost you're in my house right now. Don't turn around or do I'm 142. That's insane. That's absolutely more attempts. I was only one off. You were but you also cheated because you were right above it. I'm out of your window. Josh is the Josh wins. Yeah, I was furthest away, but I win some out. Let's go. We're all close. I'll give you guys anything else on the Tennessee Titan side of this ball before we move on to our next game. Yeah, there was some talk in the offseason that Ferxer with myself included might be a decent tie then play. You don't want him. He's that one. Yeah, I was right there. He was going to perform. It was going to be without these guys playing and he just. Right. Right. The reason I like them was before, you know, Corey Davis was gone. That was before they got Julio and even without Julio, he's just not not involved. We forgot to consider that the Titans literally don't need to pass the ball to have an effective offense. So if their two main receivers go down, it can just go all through Derek Henry. Guys, this next game we are going to talk about is the Philadelphia, Carolina game, Philadelphia coming on top 28 to 18. So we can talk about them first. Jalen Hertz, 22 for 37, 198 yards. No passing touchdowns, but then he had two rushing touchdowns in this game. Josh, Jalen Hertz, rest of season. How do you feel about this guy from a real NFL perspective? You look at that stat line. It's not not super impressive, but for fantasy, he's getting it done. That that's pretty much sums up what I want to say. He did not look good in this game. These rushing touchdowns both came late in the game. And I don't know, I mean, like it's good that he's involved and he is running the ball nine attempts for 30 yards. Not great, but two touchdowns. He's still a fantasy play weekend and week out, top 12 quarterback the rest of the season from a fantasy perspective. He's got a lot of upside every week. But from a real life NFL perspective, I was disappointed with this game and I've been disappointed with a few games now from him. Yep. Now, Jay, I'm going to ask you a question and then proceed to answer it for you like I did to Josh right there. I'm just kidding. Miles Sanders and Kenneth Gainwell, we mentioned a couple of weeks ago. We mentioned last week, we talk about it every single week. These running backs just aren't as involved as we thought they would be. But Miles Sanders with 11 carries this week. What do we do with these Philadelphia running backs? That's the only question I can even ask. There was some excitement about Miles Sanders in the preseason. People were drafting him as a high upside kind of guy. Gainwell, there was excitement as a talented rookie coming in, but it's just been a bit disappointing. Yeah, I was one of those guys who was really high. Miles Sanders, I believe in the talent. He's had it this year and last year. He has had a great yards per carry. It's a little lower now over these past two weeks, but he's been consistently in the top five, top 10 and yards per carry. He's been extremely efficient. He's had some breakaway runs, but just similar to LaVisca Chanel with Jacksonville. They just don't get him involved. I don't understand why he's shown what he gets the ball in his hands. He's electric. He can make things happen. Right now, honestly, you've got to bench Miles Sanders until you see some consistent usage. If you've got, you know, I started Damien Williams over this week and I was the right decision. He got 11 carries, which is a little more, you know, it's better than two. It's better than seven last week. But right now you just you can't trust it. He's not involved in the passing game enough. No, they were using Kenneth Gainwell on the in the red zone. And he's only getting 11 carries. If he doesn't break away a long touchdown, you're not going to get what you expected out of Miles Sanders. So for right now, you can't start him. It hurts, but I think you're right. You got you got to venture in jail. You disagreed on there or just have something to add? I mean, I think last week, the whole conversation was OK. Kenneth Gainwell is is getting like basically half of the opportunities in this offense and Miles Sanders, you know, there's they're moving away for Miles Sanders. We saw that switch this week, right? Miles Sanders got more work, both in the rushing and the receiving game. What I think really happened is the matchup, right? They went against a Carolina, who was very good, or at least has this year has been very good against the run. And I think that that they just didn't run as much. They are fewest fantasy points allowed to run backs. So it's definitely a match up. Yeah. So I think you can you can hopefully start Miles Sanders going forward where you drafted him. I would want to start him, but. You might need to adjust and move him down to like RB to flex value. Right. Yeah. He's not a must bench, but if, you know, like if you have a Damien Williams, Josh Jacobs, somebody, you know, somebody that would you have started Chuba Hubbard over Miles Sanders this week? I don't think I could have done that. OK. So that's about where the line is. Yeah. Yeah. As somebody who is pretty much guaranteed, a pretty solid workload is going to be the line for me. And I do think Sanders, I think what JL said, the usage today was encouraging. I believe in the talent. I think he's a good by low, especially for redraft. I think he's somebody you can probably get pretty cheap from a frustrated manager who could really pay some dividends by the end of the season. Yeah, I completely agree. Then Devonza Smith is a baller, seven reception, 77 yards. He didn't get a touchdown. But with the way Jalen Hertz is throwing the ball, that's about as good of a game from a wide receiver on that team as you can expect. You keep starting Devonza Smith. You keep plugging him into your lineups. He's so much fun. He's a fun player to watch out there. I love watching Devonza Smith. Anything else you guys want to say about this Philly team before we move on? Let's do it. Moving on to the Carolina Panthers in the name I just mentioned. Chuba Hubbard with 15.9 fantasy points. And, Jay, I am very proud of you for not just saying you would have started Chuba Hubbard because he did better. You took that retrospective take out of it and said no, you wouldn't have. But he had himself a decent game, 24 carries, a hundred and one yards, five receptions for 33 yards, 15.9 points without a touchdown. While Christian McCaffery is out, is Chuba Hubbard someone that you're starting every week or is it matchup dependent? Josh? Oh, yeah, I'm willing to start him if Christian McCaffery is out. But I do expect Christian McCaffery to be back next week. There were reports that he could play this week. He did end up being out, which I expected. I think he's going to play next week, though. No more Chuba Hubbard if he's back. Christian McCaffery? Yeah. Yes. I just want to make sure sometimes coming off an injury, but Christian McCaffery is the kind of player you're starting if he's playing. Uh-huh. Absolutely. Josh, you're J.L. and J. Christian McCaffery could go out there on crutches and I would still. We were we were asked this question a little bit earlier in the week on one of our shows. If you're if Christian McCaffery does play this weekend, are you playing him? And I said, no, I would want to see it. Now that was when, you know, we got that report on like a Wednesday or Thursday, a little bit later in the week. He gets a full week of practice. I'm confident, but if he doesn't practice first start of the week or first part of the week and he goes into the weekend and being a game time decision, I'm fine sitting Christian McCaffery. I didn't do it. He's the player for me that and, you know, I could. It's definitely been the wrong call plenty, but he's just the type of player that if he's playing, I can't risk having him and blow up on my bench. You know, unless they come out and say he's only going to play 30 percent of snaps, that's a different story. But yeah, if he's active and outside of, you know, playing, reduce snaps, I'm rolling with him. Joe, I like what you said, though, and something that gives me confidence to start him next week if he does end up playing is the fact that he was probable or possible to start this week and they decided to sit him. I think they're they're doing this right. They're giving him the time to heal. That extra week means a lot to me. And it gives me a lot more confidence to plug him in my lineup next week than if they would have rushed him out onto the field this week. Yep. Guys, the receivers here at the top top scoring receiver was a tight end. Tommy or what's his first name? Tremble Tommy Tommy Tommy. I said that and it sounded too much like a cartoon character. And I was like, there's no way that's his real name. Right. Tommy Tremble. Tommy Tremble with his first touchdown of his NFL career. Is this the beginning of the next tight end sensation or just a good game for this guy? Josh, what did you say? I said, well, well, yeah, I just saw people freaking out on Twitter saying lots more where that came from. Yeah, I'm in a good game. He called a touchdown. He gets this from Tommy Tremble. It's 12 yards. Yeah, I'm not starting to me trouble in any of my lineups. I guess you 12 yards and one touchdown. You could throw him into a fan duel lineup hoping for a touchdown. But what you're hoping for is nine points like you got today or eight points. You're hoping that would be your professional wrestling name. Tommy Tremble. Tommy Tremble. Entering the ring, Tommy Tremble. I'm sorry, outside of trouble, your other receivers, DJ Moore, Robbie Anderson, Terrace Marshall, all with pretty disappointing games. And that came off the back of a fairly disappointing game from Sam Darnold. Josh, of these three receivers, I'm assuming DJ Morris first. Correct me if I'm wrong right there. Yeah, absolutely. Of the other receivers on this team, who are you most interested in maybe throwing into a fan duel lineup trying to catch some of that upside at a lower value? I mean, it's Robbie Anderson. He keeps getting a lot of targets. They're just not they're just not connecting. If the targets are still there, one of these weeks, he's going to have a big blow up game. Now, so that like that's from a fan duel perspective when I'm just going for upside, trying to win a big, big lineup kind of deal. But I'm not starting Robbie Anderson otherwise in a normal fantasy league. And in a redraft league, are you still starting Robbie Anderson over Tarris Marshall weekly? Yes, week to week. I am Josh and Jail or J and Jail. Too many damn J names, guys. You guys got to stop. So somebody needs to change their name. I'm in jail. Are you starting a Marshall or Anderson? No, that's a good answer. You can leave it at that, honestly, if you really wanted to. Not how I meant it, but I guess you're 100% able to answer the question like that. OK, guys, it is time to move on to our next game. It is the second to last one PM game. New England versus Houston battle of the rookie quarterbacks in man to Davis Mills have himself a day. Jay, can we expect more of this from Davis Mills going forward? Or I mean, he did it against Bill Belichick, who's known for stopping rookie quarterbacks. Or was this a flukey game? Do you have interest in Davis Mills? No, I have no interest in Davis Mills. Yeah, 300 yards, three touchdowns. It's nice, but I just I want to see it more than once, you know, more than twice, three games of this. Then maybe I'll consider trusting them. But I just think it was just a flukey thing, to be honest with you. And then the receivers more and calmly put up pretty good fantasy games. But Jail, is there anybody else on this Houston team that you're starting or plugging into a fan to a lineup on a weekly basis? I mean, Brandon Cooks was for a little while. I don't I don't know what is going on now. He's his target shares gone has definitely gone down after this week. He's still the target leader there, so I would probably still start Brandon Cooks going forward, depending on the matchup and that you don't have someone better to start to throw in there. But apart from that, probably not. Yeah, it's Brandon Cooks and Brandon Cooks only for me. Anybody else have interest in starting anybody else? Then you know what? Let's move on to the New England side of this ball. Hunter Henry with six receptions, 75 receiving yards and receiving touchdown. I think is the most important thing for us to talk about here. Jay, is he a tight end? You can confidently start going forward. You really can't comfortably start either one of these guys. It's basically you're hoping you get the guy who has a touchdown. I think, you know, as a low end tight end, you're throwing in there, John Oosmith and Hunter Henry are fine. But it's basically the one that catches the touchdown this week. Yep, there's there's not many players I want to start at all in any format, whether it's daily fantasy, GPP, head to heads or redraft. I don't want to start really anybody on this team. If I can avoid it, maybe Jacoby Myers is the only player and that's just due to target volume. Maybe one day he'll fall into the end zone. Guys, I don't know what else to even say about this New England team from a fantasy perspective. Anything else to add for them? Is Brandon Bolden worth worth rostering going forward? Damian Harris did, I think, have an injury in this game. He almost had two touchdowns. He got it got knocked out right at the goal line. They had to review what they called it a touchdown at first. And that really affected his fantasy game. Brandon Bolden is worth an ad. For sure, especially in Harris's injuries long term. Yeah. Michael coming in here, saying Texas, Davis Mills is a flash in the pan at QB. I tend to agree with you. I think this was just a great game for an average quarterback. He had a great game. Don't take that away from him, but don't get don't project this kind of volume going forward. Guys, we are going to move on to our next game, the Miami Tampa Bay game. One second, we're going to have to switch sites to pull up the stats for that one. So give me one moment. I was going to say calling Davis Mills an average quarterback. That was actually a compliment. That was pretty nice to say that. So who does he want to mention that Tyra Taylor will be back? Eventually, I don't they still might have a smells to Rod Taylor. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Also, Tim, right? If you're still watching avert your eyes, I know you don't want to talk about this game, but we have to talk about it a little bit. Tom, no, you promised 4517. The Buccaneers beat the Dolphins and Tom Brady. Goodness gracious, 411 yards, five touchdowns. This man is a monster. What is Jay, what are you doing with Tom Brady going forward? Is he a top five quarterback rest of season, even without that rushing upside with the receiving options that he has here in Tampa Bay? You can't start Tom Brady. No, I'm straight. He's in every single week, no matter the format. He's like, that's the one thing. Jail and I did a video before the season started about Tom Brady, where he said Tom Brady was top five. And for me, I didn't agree because of that, the rush, the lack of the rushing upside, but if he continues to, you know, to click with all three of the wide receivers, you know, Antonio Brown and Mike Evans, both had big games. He's very easily to finish his top five. And if they can, you know, he did all this where they were up big, almost the entire game. This was a Tom Brady, old division rival, spiked game where, you know, they were up 21 points and he's still throwing touchdowns. So if, if he's on, you know, the Tom Brady with a chip on his shoulder and he wants to go out and break records, you can't put it past them to finish in as a QB one, if they continue to throw the ball like this. I completely agree with you there. And then Jail, you're smirking down there. So you volunteer, just off of this next one. Ronald Jones and Leonard Fournette, it's starting to look like Leonard Fournette might have taken over in this backfield as the lead running back. Do you think Ronald Jones is just dead in fantasy? Is this Leonard Fournette's field to see the back you want to start? Yes. Yeah. Out of the two of these guys, yes, it's Leonard Fournette. He is a far greater target share in this offense. He's getting more opportunities. Yeah, I'd rather have him. Ronald Jones is I was just doing like an ADP analysis, just looking at where players are drafted versus where they're currently at in the season. Physitionally, Ronald Jones is one of the worst busts so far on the season based off where he was drafted. Drop them. Zero RBS. I'm I think I said that a week or two ago that I think at this point he's he's droppable. Yeah, guys, I really don't think we need to say too much about these receivers and Tony O'Brien and Mike Evans, each with two touchdowns. But but Tom Brady thrown in the ball, the talent that these receivers have, you're going to get huge games like this from all three of the big receivers here and Tony O'Brien, Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. Start up all of them every week and pick your favorite one for what's that face about, Josh? It was the mic. You mic out loud. Oh, J.L. I always look at J.L.'s face when it happens. I wanted him to do it too. So we always do the same thing. It's fun. It's a fun little game. On the Miami side of this ball, there's really only one player that we need to talk about, and that's Miles Gaskin. I believe, Josh, how do you feel about Miles Gaskin going forward the rest of season as a running back? I like Miles Gaskin. I know everyone was disappointed with what happened last week. He's not getting the carries, which sucks. As long as he's getting these targets, he's going to be fine. I like him. I don't love him. He's not necessarily a top... He's like a borderline top 24 running back in the landscape currently. So he's not a must-start by any means, but he's got the upside every week. I mean, 10 targets, 10 receptions. Do you think that kind of volume is going to continue, J.L.? You've been you've been hitting us with some volume numbers. Do you like the target share that Miles Gaskin got this week or is this just a fluky game? Let me quickly pull up. Oh, here is. I think it's somewhat a fluky game. I mean, I'll just quickly go through the weeks here. Week one, five, two, five, week three, six, week four, zero, and week five, 10. So that's targets. That's targets. Sorry. Yeah. OK. You know, he has... I think he's leading the running backs here in Miami. Not that that's saying much. I mean, who's who's next? Salvin, the mod. Now, yeah, I don't think he's going to get 10 targets. I mean, he's certainly not going to get two touchdowns a game. Yeah, that would be preposterous to project. Then we'd be talking about him as the running back one instead of Derek Henry over there. If we could project that. Not much else on this dolphin side of the ball that we need to talk about. So I think we can go ahead and move on to our first four p.m. game. We've got the Cleveland Browns versus the Los Angeles Charges. And this was very high scoring. The Chargers hit the hit the over under on their own, right, Josh? So the winner of this game hit the over under all by themselves. Lots of points scored. We'll start with the Cleveland side of this ball. People were celebrating the death of Baker Mayfield after that Vikings game. But the rumors of his death were greatly exaggerated. He was back 305 yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions. Still not a guy I want to start week to week in redraft Baker, but you can if you need to. And in Superflex leagues, he's a fine quarterback, too, in my eyes. Josh, these running backs, I asked you during the game, is Karim Hunt, the goal line back because he's been getting quite a few goal line carries, both of these running backs. I assume you still want Nick Chubb over Karim Hunt rest of season, but how close is that in your eyes? There's they're super close at this point. I know I do not think that Karim Hunt is the goal line back, but I don't necessarily think that Nick Chubb is either. They're going to rotate these guys pretty evenly. Teet, Nick Chubb is going to get more carries on a weekend week out basis. And Karim Hunt's going to get more catches and catches typically have a little bit more upside in value to them. There's they're super close. Nick Chubb's a better runner, though, all in all. I want to talk about the receiving options for a little bit here, Jay. David and Joku, seven targets, seven receptions, one hundred and forty nine yards. This is what I was hoping for from him two years ago and then for it to continue, but we finally got a big game like this. Do you have any reason to believe that we're going to see more of this going forward or is it going to be more of the tight end roulette that we've seen within Joku, Bryant and Hooper? I think it's going to be the tight end roulette. I like in Joku when the Giants drafted Evan Ingram. I've said this a few times. I wanted in Joku. I think he's got the talent if they were ever, you know, similar to the Loviska situation, if they were ever to focus on him and give him the opportunity. I think he could do this on a week in a week out basis. But, you know, he almost half of his yards came on one play where he broke a few tackles. He looked good, but it's, you know, Jarvis Landry still wasn't back yet. You got the other tight ends that are going to be involved. It's just it was just one of those games where if I saw our buddy Dan Turner talk about it earlier, congratulations. If you were one of three people in all of fantasy football that started David and Joku this week, absolutely. Yeah, I agree with you there. I don't know that you can read too much into this, but congratulations if you did start them. Jail, I want to ask you, Oda Beckham, Jr., what with Jarvis Landry out the passing volume in this game, you would have expected a decent game from him. Does this worry you going forward? This trend of underperforming by Odell Beckham, Jr.? No, we were talking a little bit about it earlier in the week. The Chargers are one of the best defenses against the past. And so we sort of expected the receiving options in this game to struggle. We expected Baker Mayfield to struggle a little bit. He definitely performed better than I would have expected. But OBJ was certainly, I think, a casualty of this really good charger secondary. Yeah, it's unfortunate. Two weeks in a row now. OBJ last week was the casualty of a really poor Baker game this week. It seems like a really tough matchup for receivers, but I'm with you. I expect better things ahead for OBJ. Josh, I see you nodding your head down there a little bit. Do you agree with us or do you have concerns about Odell Beckham, Jr.'s involvement in this offense going forward? I would have liked to see more still from him. I completely agree, Jail. I didn't expect the world from Odell Beckham, but more than three targets for two catches and 20 receiving yards. I feel like they could get him more involved in different ways, but they scored, they were scoring. And maybe it's the fact that the Chargers defense was so over focused on stopping him. There was just other people open. They should have done the New York move, the Giants move, and just hit him on a bunch of slants. New York, Newt Alarm. Eli Manning had some pretty good seasons with Odell Beckham that way. I think this could also just be an issue of trust. Like Baker and him don't exactly have the best or the most experienced playing together. And so there's a level of trust there. When you're going against a really good defense, it's probably harder to trust your receiver throwing into coverage. It's one of the best of the league. Well, Baker started playing better when Odell went down last year. And from what it looked like in Simon, you can probably talk on this better than I can. But he didn't feel like he had to force the ball to him. So he could play the field versus feeling like he has to force the ball to OBJ to keep him happy. Yeah, it wasn't that Odell made the Browns offense worse. It was that they were trying to force feed Odell and the chemistry wasn't there. Now, I was expecting a slightly better chemistry between the two players this year and for some of those problems to be ailed. But they need to eat some fettuccine together. That's what they got to do. They got to go on a fettuccine Alfredo date. Guys, we're going to move up. We got to run through some of these last teams. We're going to go over to the Chargers now. The main thing I want to ask Mike Williams, eight receptions, 165 yards and two touchdowns. Is Keenan Allen still the wide receiver? Do you want to start on this team over Mike Williams? Or is Mike Williams sneaking into that territory? And Mike Williams also had 16 targets. They were hyper-targeting this game after last week. He kind of disappeared. Keenan Allen, in my mind, is going to be the more consistent option every week. Well, Mike Williams has more upside. So it's like, pitch your poison. I think it's a, we say this a lot, 1A, 1B situation, right? I think it's kind of turning into that. I'd rather start Keenan Allen over Mike Williams, but they're pretty close now. Jail, with a little head bob down there, are you starting Keenan Allen or Mike Williams? Which one do you prefer? I'm starting both. If I have both of these guys, I'm starting both guys. That wasn't the question, Jail. You cheat every time. You said no last time. You said both this time. But you know what, you're right. It's a good end. If I'm facing a decision where I have to start one of these guys and not the other, then my team is amazing already, and I probably don't even need to be seeking fantasy advice. But both of these guys, let's see, 26.9% target share in this offense on the season for Keenan Allen, 24% for Mike Williams. They're the two guys in this offense. Yeah, those are the guys. And then the running game, Austin Eckler, 17 carries, 66 yards, two touchdowns. And then he was involved in the passing game as well, five receptions for 53 yards and a touchdown. He's a monster. He's involved in the receiving game. He's a great back. Keep starting them. Anything else from this Los Angeles game? Yeah. Then let's move on. We've got Chicago, Las Vegas up next, the Bears versus the Raiders, Justin Fields with the start, going 12 for 20 for 111 yards and a touchdown. And all of the receiving options disappointed. Again. Again. It's not going good. But you know what? We did get a touchdown for the receiver. Everybody started. Jesper Horstead. So congratulations to everyone who started. Jesper Horstead for the one reception, two yards, one touchdown game that he got over there. And he bailed Justin Fields out on that pass. It was not a smart throw by Justin Fields. It was a great catch. Justin Fields has been very disappointing this entire season. I can't start him in fantasy. I was going to say, on that note, Josh, you're not starting Justin Fields at all going forward until you see something different. Yes. The rushing floor isn't even there. Three attempts for four. What's going on? Let's say you have them in redraft, Josh. What are you doing? Dropping them, probably. You're dropping them? Well, it depends on my options. Yeah, most likely, though. Yeah. And then, Jay, I know you've been, you started Damien Williams in a lot of leagues. You've been hyping them up, going into this week with David Montgomery out. Fandall said, hoomst. We said Jesper Horstead. That sounds like a fancy horse name, doesn't it? It does. It's 100% a fancy horse. Come along, Jesper. Jesper, come. Would you like an apple? It's an apple, Jesper. I'm glad we've got like three minutes left and we're using it to talk about a hypothetical horse named Jesper Horstead when we've got two more games. That's what you come for whenever you come for the Sunday night recap. And Michael's saying, I feel like Beckham will improve over the season. I'm in agreement with you there. I sure hope so. If he gets worse than, oh, my gosh, we've run into some real trouble. But, Jay, you've been excited about Damien Williams. Damien Williams was not the running back with the most carries this week. Khalil Herbert, the rookie came in, 18 carries, 75 yards, slightly more efficient, 4.2 a carry, but did not get the touchdown that Damien Williams got. Are you starting Damien Williams with the same confidence next week that you did this week after seeing Khalil Herbert's usage? I am. I didn't have, Williams was more of a foreplay than a ceiling play. I think he's a rock solid running back too. He did still get 16 carries. He got three targets, so they want him to be involved. They had him. He didn't come out when he came in the, I didn't watch the entire game, but every time I saw them in the red zone, Damien Williams was the guy that was in there. So for me, I think he's a much safer option. He got the touchdown, he got the passing work, so I think he's a rock solid RB2 or a FlexBlood. Yep, I'm agreeing with you there. And then guys, anything else on the bare side of this ball before we talk about the Raiders? Not much else to say about those receiving options over there. Sorry, excuse me. On the Raiders side of this ball, leading the team in receptions and tied for targets was none other than Hunter Renfro himself. Your boy. He targets six receptions, 56 yards. And I don't know if this is my bias, Jail, maybe you can back it up with some data. It has seemed like as the weeks progressed, he's gotten a little bit more involved in this offense, not just third down Hunter Renfro, but he's a startable player in my mind every single week at this point. He's targeted heavily every single week. He's going to be a piece of this. Josh, do you think Hunter Renfro is a startable, wide receiver? Yeah, startable is the perfect way to put it. I still prefer not to. Would you start, okay, on a weekly basis, Hunter Renfro, Henry Ruggs, Brian Edwards, which one of these guys do you prefer to start? I'm throwing Henry Ruggs in my Fandal line-ups over Hunter Renfro, for instance, but in normal league PPR, sure, Hunter Renfro's got that baseline that I feel comfortable with. Yep, I completely agree with you there. That's what I was going to say. PPR, you're not shooting for upside. You just need a floor play. Hunter Renfro's got floor play. If you need some ceiling, throw Ruggs or Edwards in your line-up for a little bit more ceiling. Jay, so Josh Jacobs came back, got 15 carries for 48 yards and a touchdown. Not his most efficient game, but he got enough volume for us to be happy about it going forward. Is Josh Jacobs a running back? You're just plugging in, even after this injury coming back? Yeah, at this point, I think he's a rock solid running back too. My concern with Kenny and Drake was that he was going to come away with the passing work and takeaway. That from Jacobs, and that didn't happen. He had five targets to Kenny and Drake's one. Drake only had two carries. So yeah, I think Jacobs is still locked in with the volume. He had a decent day when this offense did not look good whatsoever. Better days ahead for Josh Jacobs. And I think that if there's anybody, I actually just traded for him in one league. I think he's a really great option as a by-law. If there's a panicking roster manager, whatever you want to call it. So Jay, this week you said that you started Damian Williams over Josh Jacobs. And it was probably due to Jacobs coming back next week. Are you making the same decision or are you starting Josh Jacobs over Damian Williams? From here on out, I would probably start Jacobs over Williams unless Williams had a much better matchup. But it's mainly based on matchup. If it's all things equal, Jacobs is the guy with a slight edge, but matchup is gonna be the make or break. Yep, and then I think we have to talk about it. My favorite player in the NFL started hot with 19 targets, but Darren Waller has been fairly disappointing since that week one, just not what we thought we were promised with that week one target share. Jail, are you worried about Darren Waller? Is he still in that top tier with Travis Kelsey, George Kittle in your mind? Or is he knocked down a tier a little bit based on the past couple of weeks? I mean, I think you have to knock him down a little bit. I do expect them to target him a little bit more. I mean, he had the 19 target week in week one, and then weeks two through four, he had seven targets across the board, and then two targets this week, which isn't super promising. You know, I would much rather, I guess I would rather have those other two guys, but... Well, Kittle's on the IR. Sorry, not Kittle, yeah. Travis Kelsey's in a tier of a zone, it might be. Kelsey's in a tier of a zone, yeah. And then I think Waller is right there in tier two, still. Yes, I agree. When the season started, I had them both tier one and a tier by themselves, no one else, and now Waller's downgraded to tier two. All right, I got a question for you guys. After this week, Kyle Pitts or Darren Waller rest of the season, redraft. Waller. I'll still take Darren Waller. Waller. Yeah, I think I started to go wild. You've seen another week of usage like this with Pitts. The thing I've liked with Pitts, the production hasn't been there, but his target share stayed basically the same. That's what I was going to say is the thing that almost like it's the positive for Pitts, that his target share is staying the same, but also just because he's getting this target share, doesn't mean we're going to continue seeing weeks like this. Right. I'll take Darren Waller, but yeah, the Raiders offense is looked pretty bad, but so is the Falcons. Guys, before we jump, we are wrapping up here. I know Sunday night football is getting going, so everyone, you're going to be able to go watch that game in a minute. We're going to go watch that game. Enjoy the rest of our Sunday night. We've got a question from Jay Wilde, 28. He needs some advice. Should he trade Najee Harris and Marquis Brown for Deandre Hopkins and Deandre Swift? Stop what you're doing. Stop watching this. Go accept that trade right now. I'm doing this trade as well. It's a, Najee and Swift are same tier for me at running back. And then Marquis Brown to Deandre Hopkins is a jump of like four tiers. I do have Najee a little higher than Swift, but I mean, it's neck and neck. Like you said, they're the same tier. Marquis Brown's played great. So like, he's jumped up, you know, and Deandre Hopkins is disappointed a little bit, but Deandre Hopkins. And Bateman's coming back too, so you don't know what Marquis Brown is going to do. I still think he's going to perform, but that's something to take into consideration as well. Jail, are you taking this trade? Or are you going on the Najee side? I am taking this trade. Okay, real quick, before we jump off, Maria wanted us to give our Super Bowl picks. So let's go ahead and give our Super Bowl picks in week five. John Luke, who is going to win the Super Bowl? You're going to wipe your own first. No, I'm the host. I get to pick who goes first. Fine, I will go first. Who's going to win the Super Bowl? I want to say the Browns, but I'm not going to. I will go with the Rams. You got to do the matchup. Do the matchup is what she's saying. Do the matchup? Yeah. Like, what's the Super Bowl matchup? Who versus who and who wins? I can. Well, then now I need another second. I'll go Bucks Bills and I'll say Bucks win. It feels like you almost have to throw the Bucks in there in my mind right now. The Rams are playing really well. Maybe you could throw in the Rams, but it's Bucks and Baltimore. Baltimore, I like it. I'm going to say, I'm sorry, go ahead, Jail. I was going to change mine to Bucks Chargers, actually. Oh, well, if you still want to mine, I was going to say Rams Chargers with Rams winning at all. Or you can do it. I've got Rams Chargers with the Rams winning the Super Bowl. L.A. matchup. Yep, that would be so much fun. That would be in the Super Bowls in L.A. The two L.A. teams playing in L.A. Suck it, Tom Brady. Is it actually in L.A.? Yeah, it's in L.A. That's crazy nuts. That's why we said it's in L.A. OK, all right, let's see how it is. J, what teams are you picking? Mix and match, what you guys said. I'm going to go Ravens, Rams with Lamar Jackson, hoisting the Lamarti. The Lamarti is what we'll call it. Lamar, the Lamar. The Lamar. OK, guys, that is it for us today. Write it down. Check the receipts at the end of the season. See who got it right. We can maybe update these as the season goes on every couple of weeks. I was going to say a different matchup every single week. OK, run one. Yeah, yeah, we'll get it. Guys, if you've not done so already and you've enjoyed watching this show, hit the subscribe button on YouTube for FanDuel. And head over to Twitch and follow them there as well. There are a bunch of awesome content creators pushing content out to help you win your leagues and win some money. So make sure you are tuned in over there. And we are live on the FanDuel YouTube and Twitch channels every Sunday at 7 PM Eastern time, breaking down these games for you. And then on Fridays at 6 PM Eastern time, we are also live playing some games. So if you just like our faces, come on over and hang out with us Fridays at 6 PM on the FanDuel YouTube and Twitch channels as well. That is it for us today, guys, though. We got to go watch some Sunday night football, the Bill's Chiefs. Anything else before we hop off? Hey, Josh, do you have anything you need to say? Trading makes fantasy fun. And Kansas City is winning three to nothing. Let's go get some trades in. Let's let's make it happen. We'll see you guys next week. Adios, everyone.