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Let's go ahead, call the meeting to order and let's take the roll call, please. Councilmember Tibbetts. Here. Councilmember Schwedhelm. Here. Councilmember Sawyer. Councilmember Fleming. Councilmember Alvarez. Presidente. Councilmember Fleming, have you joined us? Councilmember Sawyer, have you joined us? Here. Vice Mayor Rogers. Presidente. Mayor Rogers. Here. Councilmember Fleming. I see her trying to comment because we can see her. I'm going to mark all council members are present for the record. Great. Thank you so much. For today's meeting, we do have interpreter services that are being provided in Spanish. Madam host, can you please explain how folks can access that portion of the meeting? I will do for those just joining the meeting live translation is available via Zoom in Spanish. And if you wish to join the Spanish channel, you can click on the interpretation icon in your Zoom toolbar. It looks like a globe. Once you join the Spanish channel, we recommend you shut off the main audio so you only hear the Spanish translation. Para los recién llegados a la reunión, la interpretación en español está disponible y las personas quienes desean escuchar en español pueden pasar al canal de español para cambiar de canal haga clic en el icono de la interpretación ubicado en la barra de herramientas de Zoom. Parece un globo terráqueo ya que según al canal de español, recomendamos que apagan su micrófono para poder escuchar la interpretación claramente. OK, we have some additional housekeeping just as a reminder for city council members to go ahead and keep your your audio on mute unless it is your turn to speak. You will be able to unmute yourself, so just watch and make sure that you've done so before you start trying to ask some questions. Staff will remain muted until they are called upon as well. 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If you are calling in to listen to the meeting audibly, you can dial star nine to raise your hand. The mayor will then call on the public who have raised their hands. Public comment will be limited to three minutes and a timer will appear on the screen for the council and the public to see. Once all live public comments have been heard, the meeting host will play voicemail public comments. If you provide a live public comment on an agenda item, but also submitted an email, e-comment or recorded a voice message public comment, your email, e-comment or voice message public comment will not be duplicated, read or play during the meeting. There are two public comment periods on today's agenda to speak on non-agenda matters, items 13 and 17. This is a time when any person may address the council on matters not listed on this agenda, but which are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the council. Throughout today's agenda, when the mayor calls for public comment, an interpreter will be prepared to assist anyone needing interpretation. Those using interpreter support will be afforded additional time for your public comment as required by the Brown Act. We ask that those listening on the Spanish channel, but wishing to make a public comment to turn off, leave interpretation entirely at the time you hear your name called so that you can join the main channel to make your public comment and translate it into English. This icon may look like a circle with an E S in the middle and the word Spanish underneath. You can then rejoin the Spanish channel at the conclusion of your comment to continue to continue listening to the meeting in Spanish. Thank you. All right. Thank you so much, Stephanie. We don't have any study sessions today. Sue, do we have any report out from our closed session? Yes, the council met in closed session and discussed item 2.1. The council gave direction to the city's risk manager and to legal council. Thank you. Great. Thank you so much. We don't have any proclamations or presentations either. So, Mr. City Manager, do you want to go on to staff briefings? Yes, we have one staff briefing this evening. Item 7.3 glass fire recovery update. I will be turning it over to Paul Lowenthal. The mayor Rogers, Vice Mayor Rogers, member of the council relatively quick update for you tonight. Following up on the mayor's request for any assistance needed with our abatement deadline set forth for all properties to be completed. We're at now looking pretty good. We just send another round of letters out to our parcels that are still in the cleanup process, but we'll definitely reach out and utilize council members if needed as similar to what we did back in 2017. Our first home is under construction now. We have another home into the permit process and we are up to eight private debris removals completed. So everything is progressing relatively smoothly on both the state and private side. Things are starting to clean up quickly. Two other quick items to note. The first one is regarding the CPUC, the California Public Utilities Commission. City staff did meet with the California Public Utilities Divisions Safety and Enforcement team. There was a tour that took place both in partnership with Napa County, Sonoma County and us that toured some of the areas to look to address some of our concerns. So at this point right now we're looking forward to future discussions with them. Also quickly with PG&E, we are continuing to work with PG&E and communicate with them. And as more information becomes available, we will share it with council. And that does it for us right now is with the Glass Fire Update. Right, council. Is there any questions for Paul? All right, I'm not seeing any. Thanks, Paul. Do we have any public comment that's on this item? Members wish of the public question to make a public comment. Please raise your hand now via Zoom. Star 9, if you're participating by telephone. All right, I'm not seeing any hands. Do we have any voicemail public comments? That we do one moment. Item 7.1, 0.2 and 0.3. Duane Dewitt from Roseland. The covid situation may be improving if people are paying attention to the guidelines. One would hope the city's community engagement program would be actively participating and explaining the guidelines to the public through traditional methods, because many people, especially the lower income disadvantaged residents in neighborhoods such as Roseland and South Park, do not use the internet or these things called smartphones. They use old fashioned phones, pero pueden leer noticias y flyers. La cosa sorprendente durante este año que la ciudad tiene una acción exclusiva para dar información a la gente, ha sido que muchas personas no pueden participar y entender lo que está pasando con la guía de covid, con la comunidad de la ciudad, si incluso es verdadera, realista, comunidad de engagement ocurrida. No hay muchas personas que participan en estas cosas que llaman Zoom meetings, que son una forma de exclusión virtual, manteniendo a la gente. Por favor utiliza las necesidades de la guía de covid que necesitan ser compartidas con el público y una acción auténtica de comunidad. Usa anuncios de publicidad en el radio, local de televisión y salga a los postres y flyers a los parques. Hay un board de bulletin en el centro de shopping en Roseland. Set up with taxpayers money. No es usado. You got all these people there in that little pop up outdoor taco trucks and the other things that are there. People not observing any kind of social distancing. It's all just essentially fake what's going on. People just doing what they want to do. And unless we get a handle on this covid, could come back before and stronger than expected. Thank you for your help. Mayor, that concludes the voice message public comments received on item seven staff readings. OK, thank you so much. We'll go on to item eight city manager and city attorney reports. I have a report. City infrastructure projects receive top honors. I'm pleased to announce that the city of Santa Rosa has been recognized as this year's top winner in the 2021 Outstanding Local Streets and Road Projects Award. Overall, winner honors were claimed by the Fulton Road Reconstruction Project, Occidental Road to West 3rd Street. Additionally, the flashing yellow left turn arrow retrofit was selected as a winner of the Safety Intelligent Transportation Systems Project. These honors were received from the League of California Cities, County Engineers Association of California and the California State Association of Counties. Counties and cities throughout California were recognized for creative cost effective programs that improve local streets, roads and bridges. This is the third award recognition the city has received for the Fulton Road Reconstruction Project. The project prepared 3200 linear feet of four lane roadway and bike lanes utilizing concrete pavement rather than asphalt pavement. Concrete technology is proving to be less costly, longer lasting and requiring less lifetime maintenance than asphalt pavement. In spring 2020, the flashing yellow left turn arrow retrofit updated 37 signalized intersections with 134 new flashing yellow arrow signal heads. The new flashing yellow lights assembly has shown to be much more effective in terms of response to the display, crash reduction, reduced delay in congestion and reduced driver frustration. I congratulate the Transportation and Public Works Capital Project Engineering Team, Traffic Engineering and everyone involved en these innovative and sustainable city infrastructure projects. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. City Manager, Madam City Attorney. I do not have a report this afternoon. Thank you. OK, councilmembers, do we have any statements of absentia? I'm saying none. All right, we'll go on to councilmember reports. Who wants to start? Councilmember Fleming, we cannot hear you. Can you hear me now? There we go. Great. I wanted to announce for the general plan update that I will be appointing Gary Weiss hockey to that group. Thank you. Councilmember Switham. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. A couple of things. First, I want to start off by recognizing and complimenting the city manager for making a fabulous choice for the Santa Rosa Fire Chief. I know Scott has got some huge shoes to fill following Chief Gosner. But Scott, as I believe the right person for the position. So thank you, Mr. City Manager, and congratulations. Mr. Rustrup for your well deserved promotion. And then last week, I attended our Groundwater Sustainability Agency Board of Directors Meeting. Couple of things to update. First of all, we had a change in of the guard, change in of officers. I was selected to be the new chair and councilmember Susan Harvey from the City of Katari as the vice chair. I am filling the role formally held by Supervisor Hopkins. And I want to thank Supervisor Hopkins for leading us through the first couple of years of our existence. We also did some update on an outreach to residential well owners as part of our GSA outreach to residential well owners. The board received an update on input and concerns from rural residential well owners regarding groundwater management in the Santa Rosa Plain groundwater basin. Responsible participation was better than expected. And the board gave direction that multiple focus groups should be created to refine this input. We also did a review of the draft Groundwater Sustainability Plan Elements. The board received updates and provided feedback on the development of a projected groundwater supply and demand budget for a 50 year planning horizon and two sustainable management criteria related to groundwater levels and long term storage of the basin. I'm going to continue to update this body with the progress of this because the Groundwater Sustainability Plan needs to be to the state of California in January of next year, which seems so far in the distance, but it's moving rapidly. And as we've all experienced come the fire season, a lot of times resources are gone elsewhere. So we're trying to have as many meetings as we have to so that we get this plan on time. And also there is no leeway with a due date. It's actually part of the legislation has to be in. And lastly, we received a receipt en acceptance of the 2019-2020 financial audit for the joint powers authority. The independent auditor did not identify any deficiencies and accounting protocols for previous fiscal year 2019-2020. That's it for the GSA. And then regarding the continuum of care, we did have a meeting last week also, but we did not make any decisions. We carried over one significant item back in Governor Brown's last budget. They allocated what's called the HEAP funds and currently Sonoma County has approximately $570,000 of funding still available that needs to be spent by June of this year or gets returned to the state. So all of the service providers, including the city of Santa Rosa, have been made aware of that. And on March 24th, we will make those allocations for those funding. And that's it for my report. Thank you. All right. Thank you so much for the report, Council Member. And thank you for your service and for taking over as the chair. I'm looking forward to more updates as we get a little bit closer. Council Member Sawyer. Thank you, Merit. I'd like to echo Council Member Schwedhelm's congratulations to Scott, our new fire chief, and we continue to be in great hands. And also, thanks to the team that went through the interview process and congratulations, Mr. City Manager, on a great choice. I know we will not be disappointed. It's good to be able to to encourage and to respect the work of our internal candidates, especially when put up against a national search. So job well done. Secondly, of the Benevelli Golf Course, ad hoc committee met on Tuesday, March 9th to discuss how to proceed with evaluation. Of course, the committee unanimously agreed that given the significant public feedback and concerns, as well as the need to focus on more significant citywide issues, staff should not proceed with conducting an evaluation of the Benevelli Golf Course that includes any real estate transactions. However, given the need to hear a comprehensive report, the committee members were appreciative that staff aired this alternative option for considering, for consideration as the focus will continue to be on the long term financial stability of the golf course. The committee directed staff to begin preparing a comprehensive operational evaluation of the golf enterprise with a focus on presenting a financially constrained proposal to counsel in advance of releasing a solicitation for a new operator in early 2022. Key aspects of this operational evaluation will include the enterprise will pay for itself, evaluate the financing and prepayment options for the bond debt to incorporate all deferred and long term maintenance and consider the single operator for the golf course and restaurant. Staff and council member, staff and council member Tibbets, as the staff appointed council member Tibbets and he agreed to be our ad hoc council liaison and he has begun his work with the community action group to gain a better understanding of their concerns, interests and their recommendations. The next benefit of golf course ad hoc committee meeting will be at the end of the month tentatively scheduled for March 31st. And that concludes my report. Thank you. All right. Thank you so much council member. So I have a number of items to update folks on first. I wanted to start with a couple of congratulations. I too wanted to welcome the new chief who has been serving in that capacity in an interim role for a while, but even before that has been with our city for 21 years and is very well known and very highly regarded amongst our staff and amongst our community. So welcome chief. Thank you for taking on that duties. I also want to extend a congratulations to council member Tibbets and his wife, Ali, who are proud new parents here. And I hear from council member Tibbets. He's getting a lot of sleep these days. Pretty excited for him and for that. And we can't wait until the pandemic is over so that we can see Jack carrying around a baby at City Hall, which is something I think we all were able to picture even before this. Next, I want to update council on a couple of different meetings that have happened since we last met. First, the regional climate protection authority meeting last week. We did advance the climate mobilization strategy. It is a four tiered approach towards reaching carbon neutrality throughout our community. It focuses on decarbonization, carbon sequestration and ecosystem services, resilience and adaptation, and then equity and community engagement. Following that meeting, we did have our climate action subcommittee meeting where, among other things, we discussed additional items to be brought before that body over the course of this next year. We did prioritize having a study session on the climate mobilization strategy in consult with RCPA, as well as some of our community partners to really align our efforts with the strategies that are being rolled out regionally. We also advanced the foodwares ordinance that this council saw and needed a little bit of additional input on that will be coming back to us for approval. That was advanced unanimously by the subcommittee. And then finally, you might have seen that the city of Petaluma became the first city in the nation to ban new gas infrastructure, new gas stations. That is set to be discussed in our subcommittee at the next meeting as well. So they beat us to it, but it's something that we've had on the agenda for a little while. And I know folks are really interested in having that conversation and what that looks like. We initially we had Snow McLean Power. Snow McLean Power just launched a new program for Snow McLean Power residents to help get 200 folks on electric bicycles. So it's a new low income program to help folks with the costs of that eBikes. If you know anybody who's interested, go ahead and push them to the Snow McLean Power website where I'm sure they're getting a lot of interest. We also had long term finance where we had a budget update that will be coming to council in May. And we also had open government where we received an update on the implementation of our sunshine ordinance. And that will also be coming to council here shortly this month as well. Last things are a couple of appointments. I want to thank councilmember Schwethelm for agreeing to help lay out our goals into a timeline that we can bring to council for approval. I'm also going to be appointing Laura Fennel to the cultural heritage board. She currently serves and is willing to continue to serve as well as Logan Pitts to the board of community services effective immediately. With that, we'll see if there are any public comments on councilmember updates. I'm not saying any. Stephanie, did we have any pre-recorded public comments? Mayor, we did not have any public comments on item 10. Great. Thank you so much. We'll move on to item 11. It's approval of minutes. We have three sets here, council. July 21st, February 21st of 2020, February 23rd of 2021, and then March 2nd of 2021 as well. Were there any proposed amendments to those three sets of amendments, of minutes? Councilmember Schwethelm. Not really much of an amendment, but on the March 20 or the March 2nd meeting, there's a conflict between what time the meeting started and when you called the meeting to order. We just be consistent with whichever time that was. I believe it was 2.30 and I don't think you called the meeting to order at 2.04. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, councilmember Schwethelm. I will make that correction. Great, councilmember Sawyer. Thank you, Mayor. I failed to mention the need for an extension on the March 2nd regular meeting 11.3. I was not in attendance. OK, thank you, councilmember. And then I know we do have a number of public comments on these items as well. So let's go ahead and listen to public comment and then we'll bring it back. And if you're interested in providing a live public comment before we go to our voicemail public comments, go ahead and hit the raise hand feature on Zoom. All right, seeing none. Let's go to our prerecorded voicemail comments. Hi, my name is Katherine Dodd. I'm a registered nurse and I'm representing the Alliance of Nurses for Healthy Environments, Annie. I'm commenting on item number 11.1, Approval of Minutes for the July 21st, 2020 City Council meetings. I realized that Vice Mayor Rogers and Councilmember Alvarez were not on the council at that time and will not be voting, but I hope they will review the public comments in the minutes regarding item 3.2, wireless small cell development on city owned streetlights and joint utility poles. In that meeting, I commented on the importance of not signing multi-year master lease agreements because technology is changing so quickly and we're learning more about the dangers of wireless exposure every day already technology allows small cells to be changed a higher frequency without additional approval using more electricity and increasing emissions. Also, since that July meeting, Santa Rosa has signed multi-year master agreements. I want to associate Annie with the remarks of Safe Tech Santa Rosa members and with the national experts who took time to testify at the meeting, specifically Theodora Scarada from the Environmental Health Trust, who provided research documenting the adverse impact of 5G radiation on the environment. Kurt Cobb from SafeG, who explained that wireless technology is faster, safer and uses less electricity, which I might emphasize is very relevant today as the newly passed federal COVID rescue funds come to cities to build back better. It's time for municipal internet and Santa Rosa as a public utility to bridge the digital divide, save electricity and make money for the city. Lastly, Dr. Cindy Russell from Physicians for Safe Technology, who highlighted the health effects of radiofrequency radiation and urged the council to pass a strong urgency ordinance to protect the health and safety of the public by prohibiting small cell towers. All of these comments are even more relevant today than they were in July. Please pass an urgency ordinance that protects Santa Rosa. Please do not sign master agreements that are longer than three years. Please invest in municipal wired internet with the federal rescue funding and please act in the public's interest, not telecoms. Thank you very much. Hi, this is Teresa Amelia from Grayton. I'm speaking about item number 11.1. We really cannot have small cell antennae all around us. We're already getting sickened by the amount of electromagnetic frequency radiation that is inflicted on us. And the FCC does nothing to protect us, nor does the EPA. Even though there has been research done decades ago that prove that electromagnetic frequency is dangerous for health, human health, animal health, bees, birds, trees, all of us. So please do not let 5G be rolled out in Sonoma County anywhere. Please look to the research of Dr. Beverly Rubick, RUBIK. She has done huge research that shows that human blood, which is rich in iron, is badly affected by electromagnetic frequency and has the same electromagnetic frequency, has the effect on the blood that is the same condition of the worst covid cases. So blood clotting, low circulation, inability for the blood to carry oxygen and death. Please stop this insanity. I thank you so much. Madam City Clerk, are the rest of the comments about the minutes or are they about small cell? They are about the minutes from 11.1, July 21st item, the small cell item specifically related for on that July 21st agenda. OK, Madam City Attorney, just as a question, none of these comments seem to be about changes to the minutes. They seem to be relitigating the discussion that happened in that meeting. Should we hold these comments until the non agenda item portion of the meeting or do we just allow them to keep going on the minutes? I would recommend that you keep you allow them to proceed on the minutes. That's how they identified their comments and it does connect up with the the meeting. OK, would be my recommendation at this at this point. OK, we'll keep pushing forward. Thank you. My name is Jennifer La Porta with Safe Tech for Santa Rosa. My comment is for item 11.1, approval of minutes from July 21st, 2020 meeting in which there were at least 38 people, 38 people who spoke out against the unchecked permitting of wireless transmission facility. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 or TCA explicitly preserved to local governments the general authority to regulate the placement of wireless transmission facilities or WTS under subparagraph A of the TCA. If your municipal attorney tells you that your hands are tied, you need to get a telecommunications attorney who has done the research. The key preserving local control is to enact local zoning provisions that have permit requirements for WTS. Most local governments do not have procedural guidelines to understand how to comply with the five procedure requirements in which the TCA imposes upon them. Under subparagraph B, there are five procedural requirements which most local governments violate simply because they don't know what they are. In the WTS application that renown telecommunications attorney Andrew Campanelli has reviewed all over the U.S. 90% submits false or misleading information. For example, false propagation maps, false FCC compliance reports, false real estate prego reports, misleading visual analysis, etcétera. The problem is there's no guidance in the code to show the planning board how to recognize when an FCC compliance report is false. Mr. Campanelli has seen applicants from local governments and then when they get their approval, they snicker at how gullible the local planning board was. We need a telecommunications lawyer to look at the ordinance to best it with the maximum power for this city. Why did you sign the master license agreement with AT&T in the past few months while our telecommunications ordinance has not yet been completed? That's working to be backward. We need to project residential areas, schools, daycares, parks and walking trails from these WTS. Has AT&T or Verizon seen the draft ordinance? What about we the people? We are your taxpayers, not big telecom. We'd like to see the draft and be part of the team helping to write the best ordinance. Thank you very much. We do not consent to be guinea pigs in this massive science experiment of 5G, 4G and all the pulse microwave radiation that emanates from it. Thank you. Hi, my name is Tom Laporta and I'm with FaithTech for Santa Rosa. My comment is for item 11.1, approval of minutes from the July 21st, 2020 meeting. There were lots and lots of people who spoke out against the unchecked permitting of wireless transmission facilities, cell towers, including Theodora Skorado, executive director of the Environmental Health Trust, who provided research documenting the adverse impact of 5G radiation on the environment. Also, Kurt Cobb, program director for SafeG, who explained that wired technology is faster, safer and uses electricity. A lot less of it. This is the time for municipal internet as a public utility to bridge the digital, divide and make money for the city using fiber to the premises. And then there's Cindy Russell, MD, executive director for Physicians for Safe Technology, who outlined the health effects of RFR radio frequency radiation and urged the council to pass a strong urgency of ordinance to protect the health and safety of the public by prohibiting small cell towers. Or at least, highly regulating them. I know you guys have been working on this ordinance for a long time, but please finish this darn thing and bring it to the council for a vote before any other telecoms slip around the back door and get you to approve their plans like AT&T is done. OK, thank you. Hello, my name is Julia Ross, and I'm calling about agenda item 11.1, the approval of the minutes regarding the small cell policy. Very important to many of us. And we hope that you will give it the attention that it needs today. Thank you so much. My name is Sydney Cox, and this comment is for agenda 11.1, approval of minutes from the July 21st, 2020 council meeting. The agenda item for those minutes was 3.2, one of the small cell deployment on city-owned streetlights and joint utility polls. While I can appreciate the difficulties of condensing public record comments to only one sentence, I noticed several inaccuracies in the minutes that I think should be corrected. Please make these corrections regarding the summary of comments. The spelling of Theodora's, Scarado's last name, who is executive director of environmental health trust, should be corrected. And the summary of her recorded voice comment should more accurately state the following. Quote, Theodora Scarado, executive director of environmental health trust, submitted comments on the extensive research that documents the adverse ecological effects of 4G and previous generations of cell tower emissions, especially on birds, bees and trees, with additional warnings about potential adverse effects of 5G. And Cindy Russell's summary should include that she is a doctor and executive director of Physicians for Safe Technology. Her comments should more accurately state the following. Quote, Dr. Cindy Russell, executive director of Physicians for Safe Technology, submitted comment on the research that wireless technology is a proven environmental and human toxin and registered her opposition to the densificación of wireless tower and small cell placement in our communities, urging the council to pass a strong urgency ordinance to protect the health, safety and privacy of the public. And here it is, March 16, 2021. In the past eight months, we still do not have an approved small cell ordinance slash policy, although I understand one has been drafted as being reviewed. Please let the public know the status of this policy. That ordinance will affect the placement of small cells on city and light poles, as well as PG&E poles for decades to come. And once installed, telecom can upgrade them at any point with more transformers and higher emissions and no oversight. It is disturbing that there has been so much pressure put on the city by AT&T and Verizon during the past two years with hundreds of communications between these companies and the city regarding installations of the wireless technologies. I ask that you, the city of Santa Rosa, please take about 15 minutes of your time to view three short videos by attorney Andrew Campanelli. Can be found at SafeTechForSantaRosa.org. Number four. SafeTechForSantaRosa.org. Thank you. Yes, my name is Isatia. My I'm calling to in regards to agenda item 11.1 colon, approval of minutes from July 21, 2020 meeting. The public needs to know the status of the city's small cell policy. Needs to know the date of a council vote and needs to see the actual policy. Thank you. Have a good day. Hi, my name is Miss Anahar. I'm calling about agenda item 11.1, approval of minutes from July 21, 2020 meeting. The public needs to know the status of the city's small cell policy. Needs to know the date of a council vote. Needs to see the actual policy. Thank you. Hi, my name is Sherry Noonan. I'm calling with regards to agenda item 11.1, approval of minutes from July 21, 2020 meeting. I believe the public needs to know the status of the city's small cell policy. And we need to know the date of a council vote and to see the actual policy. Thank you. Bye bye. Maynard, that concludes public comment received on item 11. You're muted. We'll bring it back to council. So I heard one correction from council members wet helm regarding the time of the meeting starting. Anybody have any additional corrections? Councilmember Fleming. Yes, thank you. I need to abstain from the march to minutes as well. Sorry that I didn't notify you earlier because I was not present at that meeting. OK. Madam Vice Mayor. Eddie, and I need to abstain from the July 21, 2020. Minutes. OK. So what I'm hearing is showing the minutes adopted with the correction from councilmember Schwethelm with the vice mayor and councilmember Alvarez abstaining from item 11.1 and councilmember Sawyer and Fleming abstaining from item 11.3. Without any objection, we'll show that adopted. Great. We'll move on to item 12, the consent calendar. Item 12, Resolution, approval of the use of state of California Calnet contract for continued purchase and use of Verizon cellular wireless equipment and service. Item 12.2, Resolution Authorization of the examination of taxation, sales and use tax records. Item 12.3, Resolution, approval of agreements with the California Department of Tax and Fee Administration for the administration of ordinance number O.R.D. dash two zero two zero dash zero one eight dash a. The extension of two quarter cent general sales tax known as Measure Q. Item 12.4, Resolution, Courthouse Square, Ballard, Scope, Addition, Approval and Contingency Action. Item 12.5, Resolution, Resolution of the Council of the City of Santa Rosa, authorizing a request for an estimated two hundred and five thousand four hundred and twenty seven dollars in low carbon transit operations program, LCTOP, annual formula allocation funding for 2020-2021. Item 12.6, Resolution, Resolution, authorizing the filing and executions of an application for funding from the Federal Transit Administration Low or No Bus Submission Program for fiscal year 2020-2021 and committing any necessary matching funds. Item 12.7, Resolution, Resolution of the City of of the Council of the City of Santa Rosa, approving the project list and authorization to apply for the annual formula allocation for fiscal year 2020-2021-22, State of Good Repair Program. Item 12.8, Resolution, Transportation, Development Act, Article 4, and State Transit Assistance, annual formula allocation claims submittal. Item 12.9, Resolution, Contracta Award, Weed and Rubbish Abatement Services. Item 12.10, Resolution, Approval of the First Amendment to the Agreement for the use of modular temporary fire station between the Menlo Park Fire Protection District and the City of Santa Rosa, approval for an additional two year extension and authorization for the city manager to execute all documents. Mr. City Manager, Council, do we have any questions on the consent calendar? OK, seeing none, we'll go to public comment on those items. If you're interested in providing a public comment on any of our consent calendar items, go ahead, hit the raise hand feature on your zoom. All right, seeing none, Madam City Clerk, did we have any pre-recorded voicemail public comments? Consent items 12.6, 0.7, and 0.8. Duane Dewitt from Roseland. Congratulations to the bus drivers of the Santa Rosa bus system for their steadfast work during the one year of the pandemic that we've had them helping as essential workers. It's an important thing to keep a bus system operating, but at the same time it needs to be cost effective and efficient system. Currently, the Santa Rosa City bus system uses massive buses that only have a few people on them at any given time. And I don't think the pandemic is going to go away soon and traffic is going to return to the bus systems. Essentially, rather than just trying to purchase new large buses and go for more taxpayers' money, yet would be prudent and fiscally frugal to go after smaller buses with shorter routes. You have a bus system that is far flung with few people traveling long distances for very little money, all pretty much supported by the taxpayers. Taxpayers need to be treated better, please. In these items that you're seeking taxpayers' money for, begin to make a plan for smaller bus system, shorter routes and more frequent on the important routes where you actually get a lot of passengers. An audit needs to be done at just how much passenger traffic is occurring and where those routes are and what's going forward. With your help, we could save taxpayers' money, actually get a better bus system out of it, keep our good drivers employed, moving forward in a progressive manner. Folks aren't going to go back to the buses that quick. They like having their social distance in their own cars. All the best to you. Mayor, that concludes public comment on item 12. Great. Thank you so much. So, council, we cannot start our next item until five o'clock. So we'll go ahead and take a temporary recess. We'll come back at five o'clock on the on the dot for item 14.1. Mayor, we need to vote on the consent. Thank you. Jump in the gun a little bit. I apologize. Madam Vice Mayor, go ahead and make your motion. I move items 12.1 through 12.10 and wait for the reading of the text. Second, second. OK, let's go ahead and call the roll. Can you clarify who seconded? Was it Council Member Schwedhelm? Yeah, yes. Thank you. Vote. Council Member Tibbetts. Aye. Council Member Schwedhelm. Aye. Council Member Sawyer. Aye. Council Member Fleming. Aye. Council Member Alvarez. Aye. Vice Mayor Rogers. Aye. Mayor Rogers. Aye. That motion passes with seven ayes. Great. Thank you now, council. We will recess and then we'll come back for public comment for non agenda items at five o'clock and then we'll do item 14.1. All right, Madam City Clerk, it's five o'clock. Let's go ahead and resume the meeting. Do you want to call the roll? Yes. Council Member Tibbetts. Here. Council Member Schwedhelm. Here. Council Member Sawyer. Here. Council Member Fleming. Council Member Fleming. Council Member Alvarez. President. Vice Mayor Rogers. Present. Mayor Rogers. Here. Council Member Fleming. Have you joined us? Yeah. OK, thank you. At the record show that all council members are present. Great, let's go back to item 13. It's public comment for non agenda items. If you're interested in speaking, go ahead, hit the raise hand feature on your zoom. We'll start with Alex. Can you can hear me? There you go. Hi, council member, sorry, I'm just stepping out. I'm working right now. I wanted to make a comment here really quickly. Mayor Rogers, a couple of weeks ago, you had said, asked the city manager for an update on the wireless telecommunications ordinance so you could get back to us, but we still haven't heard anything. And I just want to say this whole experience has been kind of frustrating for me. Really doing a community grass work, grassroots kind of work to raise awareness. Y y no, you guys have heard hundreds of comments from the public. From the vast majority of people who are going to have a cell phone tower put in front of their house or their school didn't want it. Mr. Tibbets, we had a meeting last year, which I had never heard a follow up. But you told me personally that you would chop it down if they put it in front of your house. And clearly the sentiment from the council has been to create as much local control as possible. And, you know, it just seems like the city manager, who I don't know who he's accountable to, a nonelected official, and from my perspective, he kind of treats you guys as just a formality. And I get a condescending tone and I hope that that's not inappropriate to say it. Probably doesn't help my cause, but it's just very frustrating. And it seems like this is just like a kind of democratic, you know, farce and he just gets to go back and do whatever he wants. So hopefully we could hear something. You guys approved the minutes from our fourth study session on the topic that was back in July 2020. Hopefully you can go back and read through some of those for the new council members as well. And, you know, I just hope you guys can can do the right thing. You know, Jack, you also told me that I think Verizon sends you a campaign check every year, right, in the mail. And you guys are our business partners. We've gotten a couple updates here and there doing a public records request. AT&T and Verizon has had hundreds and hundreds of communications with the city and their staff. You know, there is a policy draft I hear. We have no idea what it says, but guess who has gotten a copy of the draft and seen it? AT&T and Verizon. So let's just try to make this for your constituents. And I promise you, I'll be back on the street. Once you start putting these things up and raising awareness and letting people know what's coming to their neighborhoods. And, yeah, anyways, Mayor Rodgers, hopefully you can give me an update on that policy like you had asked the city manager for a couple of weeks ago. So thank you for your time. All right. Thank you, Alex, and I'll comment after we finish our public comment here. Madam City Clerk, do we have any voicemail public comments? As we do, Mayor, one moment. Hello. My name is Amanda Hopkins. This is a comment for Agenda Item 12 on the meeting for March 16th for Open Comment. And so I want to comment regarding the Ninth Street Overpass in Santa Rosa near Ninth Street and Davis Street. There is an ongoing homeless encampment there. I have been in contact with City Council members as well as with the Catholic Charities. Y I was surprised to hear that the Catholic Charities shelter just about a block and a half away has shelter beds available. And their team has been going to the overpass and speaking to the folks that are living there and offering them shelter beds. And many of the people have refused to accept this offer and don't want to move. I also know that there are several people in RVs and I've, you know, excited to hear about the legal RV encampments. And so I'm just wondering since there are options of shelter beds and places where people can legally camp with RVs, why aren't these people being asked to move and given some kind of penalty or fine or some kind of something for them to make sure that they're not living there because they have other places to be where they can receive services and receive help and receive better care. And so I'm just I'm really concerned, you know, this group has brought in, has attracted drug dealers. I hear shouts and screams and cussing and people having mental breakdowns on a regular basis because I live very close to this overpass and it's just it's not acceptable. And pretty soon I know that the schools will be going back to in person. We have a school, an elementary school, less than a block away from this overpass. So I don't think that having these folks here as well as the drug dealers that they attract and the mental breakdowns that they go through is safe for. Item 13, public comment on non agenda items Dwayne Dewitt from Roseland. A big thank you to the recreation and park staff, the maintenance people who've been coming out and helping at Southwest Community Park and Bayer Farm, the two newer parks, if you will, in Roseland, the small park on South Davis has also been getting their attention. It's been there since Highway 101 was built. The thing that's really important here is to give recognition to those employees who are going out and actually doing the work to make our public facilities better for the taxpayers. At the big storm that occurred about 10 days ago, maybe two weeks ago, large branch, easily six inches in diameter, big, thick one got knocked off of a tree and was blocking the sidewalk. It was too heavy to pull to the side while trying to do that, one of the parks workers came to help me. We got it off the side and he said he would call to get someone over to take care of the rest of the debris. Within an hour and a half, they had a person out there cutting up the big branch and the smaller ones, getting all chipped up and cleaning off the area. That was wonderful work. It was so great to see that quick response. It's really important because just to the West on the dirt parking lot at Southwest Community Park, where we were told in the community 20 years ago, it could not be used for any improvements because of California Tiger Salamanders. The city has been staging construction from there and allowing others to rent the area, perhaps. At least stage the smart trail work near the Herne Avenue rail crossing. So it makes us wonder what's happening with that whole thing on California Tiger Salamanders and the public involvement. Secondary to that, we can't get responses from the city's millionaire bureaucrats at the top of those departments, the recreation and parks people leave numerous messages, hear nothing back about the permits for doing that work, for allowing work on that California Tiger Salamander area. It's really important to hear back from those highly paid management people. Numerous calls get us nowhere. So right now I am going to leave my telephone number. Five, seven, five, five, four, nine. Perhaps I can get a call back from somebody at the city so we can find out what's really going on with the California Tiger Salamander permits with the city and the way it's handling permits, the cutting down of trees without permits, the activity that occurs on city owned land. Give us some news to use. Again, Dwayne, five, seven, five, five, four, nine. Good day to you. Mayor, that concludes voice message, public comments on non-agenda matters. Great. Thanks, Dina. And just to answer the question that was presented in public comment here, we do have in the coming months, the next few months, the ordinance coming forward. We don't have an exact date yet because we haven't finished our work plan for this year. That'll be finalized here in the next couple of weeks as well. But it was not listed as one of the tier one priorities for this council when we did goal setting last month. So we'll be figuring out how to fit it in along with all of the additional work that we have asked staff to do. Mr. City Manager, did you have anything to add? Nothing to add. I just want to make sure all the city council saw the email providing an update, a very thorough update by Mr. Osborne, back on 212. I will re-send that email. It's a very thorough and an informative response, but I will make sure that gets a recent to council very, very shortly. Great. Council Member Tibbets. Thanks, Mayor. Hopefully this doesn't weigh it into Brown Act territory, but for the benefit of the public, I wanted to ask the question because I do see them coming to our public comment periods time and again. We are not currently placing 5G towers on our poles until that ordinance comes back. Correct. I will have staff answer that. We're not prepared. Obviously, it's not an agendaized item. I'll get the response. And then we're taking down your question, council member, and make sure you get a response. Yeah, I think if we can't do it today, maybe at the next council meeting, if it's the will of the mayor and you, Mr. City Manager, to just bring that one answer, it might it might be helpful because I think some folks are worried about what's going on. I understand the desire and we will we will try to address it. Hey, thanks, council member. Any other comments? All right, let's move on to item 14.1. Good evening, Mayor Rogers, Vice Mayor Rogers, members of the council, my name is Paul Lomenthal, assistant fire marshal with the fire department tonight. I bring forward to you a staff report that pertains to our proposed fuel mitigation pile burning, although it is a relatively short presentation. It does have long duration impacts that are positive for our community moving forward. In August of 2020, the city council approved our community wildfire protection plan for our community here locally, obviously, and as a result of that plan, nine objectives were identified and 42 actionable items came with that plan. Over the last several months, you've heard from myself and other members of our departments about funding needed to accomplish a significant portion of the plan. We've been pursuing both discussions regarding PGN settlements, as well as grants. However, there are some items that we're able to work on utilizing existing staff, and this is an item that is included in the plan and that we are working to bring forward to you now. Next item, please. Our next slide, please. So property owners and and around the city of Santa Rosa are continuing to work on taking measures to mitigate the risk of wildfire for our community, primarily through fuel reduction. We've been doing a significant volume of outreach directly with community members and HOA members and open space HOAs throughout our community, primarily both in Fountain Grove and in Oakmont, to continue to work to figure out ways to mitigate and make recommendations to reduce the threats to our community by removing fuels. However, as easy it is to accomplish in some parts of our community is proven to be very difficult in other much needed areas of Santa Rosa. Primarily, we're hearing the most of the concerns is in Fountain Grove, where organizations like their Open Space Management Association have and need to do work. However, based on the topography, they're really limited to how they can mitigate the work in some parts of the city. It's very easy to bring a chipper in. It's easy to remove the fuels, especially when they're smaller vegetation, plant types or limit of trees. However, in areas like Fountain Grove, there are very difficult and inaccessible locations where they physically can't get the debris out. In some cases, the only area or options they've had is to physically fly it out by helicopter, like we've seen utilities or other organizations do. However, that's not feasible here locally. So that's kind of where the recommendation to move forward with a power burning ordinance came from. Next slide. So this is an example of work that is done and it's although it's relatively deceiving. This is a very steep remote area on the backside of Fountain Grove that dips down into the Rebley Valley. So not only is it difficult to access, but cost effective cost also discourages property owners and HOAs, in some case, from actually being able to physically do the work because of the need to actually remove the debris. So this highlights an area where they would benefit from the power burning ordinance. Next slide. So our goal truly is to continue to use the community wildfire protection plan to continue to assist with treatment of vegetation throughout our community. The treatment of the vegetation primarily, and I say primarily because it has happened outside of our wui and in the county, within the wui can reduce the threat and risk of wildfires and ultimately the loss of property damage, so on, so forth. So as mentioned earlier, the actionable item from the CWPP to mitigate that threat is by establishing permitting protocols for the use of prescribed file burn piles within our community. So in the straight out of our plan, it states that pile burning under appropriate weather conditions can rapidly eliminate fuel and manual after manual or mechanical treatment activities. Pile burning is cost effective way to address the elimination of hazardous fuels, but requires permitting from air regulators and the Santa Rosa Fire Department. With any prescribed fire, there is a risk of potential escape from burn piles to nearby vegetation. That risk can be medicated through a permitting process, should the city adopt to move forward with adoption of the program and the permit. So I mention that because it's important also note the narrow scope of this program. We Sonoma County residents are very used to seeing multiple control burns issued throughout our county. That is not the intention here. The intention here is to primarily target our larger parcels over five acres. Within our wild interface, the truly would benefit from this program. It also gives us the opportunity to designate other properties if they choose to come forward to us to be allowed to permit to burn under five acres. But that is primarily because there are some parcels that are under five and landlocked by some of the larger parcels. So for reality purposes, it was easier to include them. Y also in our plan, we've identified very specific areas where we do need to do treatment to protect our community from fire. In fact, we just actually had a meeting with Cal Fire last week about a potential program to help offset costs of our communities to reduce the threat of fire by paying them to remove vegetation and dead trees. And that's going to be targeting actually the north side of our community. Porque, as we've seen the continued threat to our city is from the north. It sounds like we are one of the only, if not the only city in recent years to be impacted directly and indirectly by four fires and since 2017. So we're taking that obviously very seriously. That was relatively interesting information to have shared to us by Cal Fire and really highlights the importance of why we need to work towards developing these fuel breaks, working to reduce the fuels in these specific areas. Next slide. So, ultimately, it is our recommendation that we do adopt the ordinance under city code, allowing for landowners to obtain a permit from the fire department to perform the power burning to reduce the wildfire hazards. That item will come back to you as a consent item next week, which time we look forward to potentially implementing the program. We do have heard from some of the property owners and HOA within Fountain Grove that are ready to go. One thing I want to make very clear is, again, that this is much different than the county and other districts processes where they do issue permits very regularly. Because of the narrow scope of this, we will physically be doing inspections on these properties to ensure compliance with our requirements and that they are being handled under safe conditions. Really getting our eyes on it and working directly with our property owners. We're also working on a communication strategy. Should this move forward? One of the concerns we've heard is obviously people concern when they see smoke. It's important to note that this is not a burning ordinance that would be allowed year round. This is would match up with essentially Cal Fire's burning authorization for our area. It would be limited to our, essentially, our off season. So we have our weed abatement season during fire season and now potentially this burning within our winter months. When the grass are green, the brush is relatively hopefully more damp than it has been now with a little bit of lack of rain, but that is again, that's that's ultimately our goal. Sorry, and following up the we've already put together the ability to monitor our burns. So as residents call in their burns, if it is a permissible burn day, when that address is registered through our dispatch, that address will now populate on our fire department's main web page. So residents, if they see smoke, will actually be able to look on our website and see where the burn is located within our community and confirm that it is a burn pile and a control burn that has been permitted by our organization. And that is it, unless there are any questions. Great. Thank you so much, Paul. Councilmember Tibbets. Thanks, mayor. Paul, yeah, I've got a couple of questions for you. And I'll just say right off the bat, you know, I grew up doing burn piles. That was definitely, you know, a way of life and a way, easy way to get brush off your property without hauling it to the dump or something like that. But, you know, the struggle I'm having with it as a policymaker is it's obviously kind of an archaic process in the sense, one sense that, you know, we've got a climate action plan. We have carbon being released in the atmosphere in a city that said that we want to curtail that. And then, on the other hand, we have fuels management ordinance. And we know that prescribed burns are going to be pretty important in our fire strategy going forward. So I'm kind of having a hard time reconciling the two a little bit. But I guess a couple of my questions are, you know, what's the permit price going to cost if I go to you and I want to do a burn? How much am I going to pay? So I'll sorry, I'll pull that up. We do have an existing burn permit fee associated with it. Our goal was actually not to charge cost associated with it because, again, this is a pretty narrow scope targeting specific properties where they really do lack the ability to easily get the fuel out. And so the the goal is, although we have a permit associated with this type of activity, we will not be charging for it for at least the first year to see what the impacts are on our organization. OK. En this this ordinance, this is not because, you know, looking at your picture was a powerful thing. You know, you see all those felled trees from the fire from subsequent chainsawing and taking them down. And you are kind of looking at that going. There's no way to get those out. Helicopters is not only cost and efficient. It's also a GHG contributor, so that's just not going to work. But but I'm wondering, you know, is what I'm trying to find, I guess, is, is there a way to, you know, that the option for that homeowner or that HOA to get rid of those logs by any other means other than chainsawing and hauling them out with a helicopter is obviously going to be really expensive and a permit, you know, even an expensive permit is going to pale in comparison to the cost. And I'm just wondering if a permit fee could help us set aside a pool of funds that does more climate savvy fuels mitigation. And I'm sure the fire guys get tired of hearing about goats. But, you know, could we help a program where goats are going out there and in doing, you know, grazing of those fire fuels? Because you can't get a brush hog out there or a mower. But, you know, we have that kind of supply. I'm just wondering about things like that. I'm prepared to I'll listen to the public, but I am prepared to support this tonight. But I just I hope we can set it up smart so that our carbon footprint that we'll be creating with this can be offset through other feasible fuels management programs that I know your office wants to promote and pay for somehow down the road. Because I because, you know, when you look at that example in that picture, you probably have to clear that property of those large tree trunks once, once every 20 to 50 years or 30 to 60, right? Between that time, the question in my mind becomes, how are we going to keep that grass down? And who's going to pay for that? Or what's the the penalty going to be for a homeowner that is not engaged in a good weed abatement practice in the Louis zone? So those are my thoughts. I, you know, I appreciate what you brought forward. And yeah, I'll be curious to know what you think. So I will tell you right quick. And the reason I turn around is I actually have a stack of of requests on my desk right now for for the use of goats there. We actually I personally I think that we could use more in this county. I think it's become very clear that there's a desire for them. I'm looking at requests right now from our Cress Ridge, Oakmont, Meadowstone, as well as Bennett Valley, all with all with plans they've submitted for how they choose to use goats this year. So goats are actually being used. We are working directly with a lot of homeowners and helping encourage it because it does it does benefit not only our community, but the environment as well circling back real quick. The cost of that permit for the burning, if we choose to move forward with it after the first year is one hundred and forty seven dollars for that permit and then regarding the comments regarding the trees. So the area that I took a picture of is actually probably the easiest of the locations that I've been asked to tour and look at and the wood issue is a much bigger issue. And part of why we've given you some of the brief updates in some of the council meetings, but in areas like we're seeing primarily and not only the tubs, but now the we've had the nuns, the tubs and the glass fire. It's a much bigger issue that we're working to actually figure out moving forward. Our goal is to bring forward this ordinance to you first. And then we're actually going to be shifting years and switching over to a dead and dying tree ordinance primarily for our burn scar. It has become very clear myself and our chief building official, Jesse Oswald, actually just participated in another phone conversation today with some residents in the Fountain Grove area that are expressing their concerns about the decay of those fuels. So the trees that you're seeing in the picture were dropped because they they have they did not make it through the fire. The reality is a lot of those that wood, those sticks were dropped. They're dropping up for two reasons. One is they're mitigating. They're trying to mitigate that long term fuel load. Sure. And they're also trying to do their part to clean up the environment. You drive down into Cross Creek right now and you see the results of what happens when they don't try and take some of those proactive measures. And a lot of that wood is essentially rotting and dying with the lack of our canopy in Fountain Grove. It has changed our ecology up there. So where we once had oak grass woodlands where goats could do their job. It is being drastically replaced now with evasive species and scotch broom and other types of brush that are proving to be much more difficult and expensive to maintain. So the ordinance is is an attempt to work on some of the negative impacts of what we're seeing in that area. I keep our community safer, but yes, there's a much larger conversation that we're having. We are actively pursuing, in addition to the PGN settlement funds to mitigate some of these long term issues. We have three different grants for different grants we're working on right now. Two of them are for totaling five million dollars and therefore fuel management along evacuation routes. And then defensible space and home hardening all within our wildlife interface. The another one to assist with some of our GIS components and education and shipping to offset shipping costs. And then that fourth one, which is probably going to be the one of the more beneficial ones for what you saw in that picture, is going to be that potential grant that we're going to turn in with Cal Fire to mitigate that risk primarily on the north and northeast side of the city, where we have the dead fuels, the dead trees and the brush that is growing where there once was seasonal grasses. And it will be hopefully a reimbursement program will be able to reimburse up to 75% of the costs that we determined per acre to those property owners to really, truly start doing a lot of good work within our community to prevent repeat events of what we're seeing. Yeah, I'd like to tell a quick story to the council really quickly about the goats piece. You know, we were Tom, Victoria and I, we were touring of the glass fire burn scar area and we walked up into Oakmont. And I remember Chief Gossner pointed, you know, we asked why why did the fire stop right here? And he said, well, two reasons. One is a dozer went through right here. But to Oakmont, I think they were doing some goat grazing out here. This looks like goat grazing. And sure enough, you know, I asked the OVA and they had been. And so I think it's just going to be a way of life going forward. And to the extent that the city can help offset the cost of associated with goat grazing and other forms of fire, fuels, management. Right? Not just the the cute novelty of an efficacy of goats. But, you know, to the extent that we can offset that cost and help people financially access those methods, the safer will be. And so I think, you know, where I'm coming from, I'll throw this idea out there for you and for the council. This year I think, you know, this these burn permit should be free to help just create, reducir todas las barreras para que se sienta tan peligrosa. El fuel de la fecha, lo que está pasando. Pero a algún punto, si es un año de ahora o dos, espero que no se vea más de eso. Me gustaría ver el Departamento de Recuerdos de Recuerdos para crear websites, monitorar websites, respondiendo a calles, porque sabemos que lo vas a encontrar cuando algunos de esos peces grandes van a ir. Pero también considera, una carga de pérdida de lo que piensas es necesaria para crear un pequeño fundador para ayudar a las comunidades a obtener algunas de estos peces y mitigación y estrategias de fuel de manejo. Pero, yo creo que es algo increíble, Paul. Gracias. Sí, una cosa que quiero reclamar y realmente clarificar, es que sé que hay discusiones sobre el actual fuego prescrito, donde lo ves primarily en el norte de la ciudad ahora mismo, donde están trabajando con organizaciones voluntarias y en realidad, abren y tratan el pecho. Eso no es el intenso de esta orden. Hacemos un montón de espacio open de ese tamaño para hacer eso localmente. Esto realmente es una orden de pioquete muy específica para eso. Hace años que han sido prescritos locales aquí locales. Yo me lembro de que no estoy estudiando, pero en el 90, cuando era un poco más joven, cuando usamos a hacerlos en Anadol State Park, pero esos tipos de actividades no han ocurrido localmente. Pero continuamos a coordinar y comunicar con los parkas de la ciudad de lo que podemos hacer para mitigar las cosas en ese lado también. Y eso es lo que creo que las calles para el servicio van a estar altos en el primer año. Y hay una costa con eso. Yo sé que mi viejo hombre y yo salimos de una buena en West County y Great and the Volunteer salieron un día. Así que espere que eso va a suceder aquí también. Presidente de Bumper Sawyer. Gracias, señor. Así que me pregunto, he tenido una comunicación de uno de mis constituciones sobre usar un chipper. Y he escuchado que mencionas un chipping como un potencial donde puede ser usado para mitigar el problema de la fuga. Entonces, Paul, ¿puedes decir que el chipping es el último esfuerzo para reducir la fuga? Y es por eso que esperas ser limitados en esas áreas donde no hay otra alternativa. Sí, y hay sólo 32 parcelas dentro de nuestro entorno que son más de 5 años. Así que las parcelas que vemos que hemos visto y investigado cuando empezamos a asesinar las necesidades para este orden son bastante remotas. Están realmente viajando a la parte de la parte de la fuga donde estás tirando abajo y mirando hacia el canón de Rieble. Las áreas donde han sido principalmente accesibles, donde estamos viendo eventos de chipping, hemos hostido eventos de chipping aquí localmente. Así que, sí, no puedo garantizar que es 100% de esto. Y creo que es parte de nuestra inspección y nuestra procesión y nuestra asesoría del programa moviendo adelante. Pero el objetivo, sí, es estar hablando con muchas de las inaccesibles locaciones donde realmente beneficiarán de esto y no, en algunos casos, afortunadamente tenerlo abierto por 11 años o 12 años. Esto se mantiene inobtenible a través de los costos. Y si no lo hacen, no nos ayudan, no nos beneficiarán de la comunidad. Así que, es una acta balanceada ahora mismo. Si nos decimos que no podemos proceder con la incertidumbre, no va a funcionar. Estoy seguro de que hay locales en nuestra comunidad donde no van a financiar y poder mitigar ese riesgo para nosotros. Así que en este escopo narrow, sienten que los beneficios de permitiendo alguna de las incertidumbre se afortunan de algunos de los otros factors. Gracias, Paul. Y me aprecio la importancia de comunicar con la comunidad cuando estas incertidumbre van a ocurrir y ser tan claramente posible con la dirección. Y no estoy seguro de lo que va a parecer, lo que las noticias van a ver o las noticias van a ver. Pero ser tan específico es muy importante. Y sé que he compartido la conciencia de su conciencia sobre los GHCs y parece que estamos intentando hacer el right thing, pero teniendo un poco de impacto negativo, pero yo creo que más o menos 32 smaller fires que una montaña que va subiendo. Así que entiendo la necesidad, pero estoy contento de escuchar que va a ser una aplicación limitada en este caso. Así que gracias. Sí, el intento es, como dije, el intento es realmente capturar ese pequeño universo. Y eres correcto. Y creo que es donde muchas de estas recomendaciones vienen de nuestros consultores para realmente mitigar lo que se ha ocurrido un par de veces de lo que nos ha ocurrido de nuevo. Y estamos absolutamente haciendo todo lo que podemos para ayudar, incertir, hacer removimientos. De nuevo, estamos aplicando para esos grantes para ayudar a los costes. Espero que tengamos el PGE Settlement MONEY para que podamos instalar programas de chipper y no solo lo que hicimos en el pasado, para que estuviéramos el lugar pero en realidad miramos a llevar chifras en las neighborhoods y realmente ayudan a realmente hacer un diferente. Así que estamos convidados en hacer todo lo que podemos. Entendiendo que esto es, como dije, el último esfuerzo en algunas áreas específicas donde el intento realmente es para ayudar, mitigar ese riesgo. Gracias. Presidente Alvarez. Gracias, Mayor. Paul, en cuanto a no estoy familiar con las órdenes de la ciudad cuando viene a Palburn, con los propósitos que estarán vinculando en la ciudad de Palburn, ¿sabes el aire? Uno de los días que no permitirá que haya un desplazamiento. Sí, finalmente vamos a seguir en nuestra área en la ciudad de Palburn, el Ejercalidad de Manajmenta. Así que sí, hay días en las que el desplazamiento no es permitido a partir de la calidad de aire y vamos a adherir a las mismas líneas. Así que tendrás menos desplazamiento en las líneas de la ciudad que tendrás en la ciudad. Y vamos a adherir a las mismas regulaciones de aire que el resto de las jurisdicciones en la ciudad de Sonoma permitan. No, por lo que he visto, yo definitivamente veo que el peligro de tener un truco con los ventas empiezando y también en las hembras ha sido el aire más fácil. Ahora, lo hicimos, estamos deseando desplazar las líneas y dejar las desplazaciones en la propiedad. ¿Qué es el desplazamiento de desplazamiento y de desplazamiento contra el desplazamiento de desplazamiento y de desplazamiento? ¿Has visto posible que dejemos el desplazamiento y dejamos el desplazamiento durante la fronción. Entonces, cuando el desplazamiento viene, eso ha sido bastante, la madre de la naturaleza ha sido cuidada. O, al menos, no tenemos estas tierras en las que el aire puede mover estas hembras por miles, si no más. Sí, un par de partes de eso. Entonces, nuestra intención no es necesitar el desplazamiento de cada desplazamiento dentro de Santa Rosa. Sin embargo, las víctimas están más frecuentes y comunes a nuestro estado. Hemos desplazamiento por varios años y han now tomado una bastante magnífica desplazamiento desde 2017. Así que, los desplazamientos locales no son algo que nuestra comunidad ha sido accionada a la escena. Cuando se desplazan a través de el El Dorado de Ubu County, la L.A. County, ves los desplazamientos literalmente en todo el mundo. Y en algunos casos, es natural. En algunos casos, es como un resultado de un fuego humana. Pero el objetivo es mitigar los desplazamientos donde hay necesidad. Entonces, en algunos casos, los desplazamientos estarán eventualmente desplazados y ser un fuego que tendrán a algún punto de desplazamiento. Pero ahora no son la prioridad. La prioridad es los que presentan la preocupación significativa. Lo que estamos viendo es exactamente lo que estoy intentando describir en esa zona de la cruz que se lleva entre Marcos, Spring's Road y Thomas Lake Harris. Eso es un buen ejemplo de lo que no dispone de tus desplazamientos. Ahora se es un adicional desplazamiento para nosotros. Así que, si tenemos los desplazamientos que están cortados o nuestra especie evasiva o brujo, cuando el fuego trae a esos desplazamientos se va a encontrar un montón de los desplazamientos que estuvió en la prioridad. Eso se va a un adicional desplazamiento. Entonces, nuestro objetivo es reducir ese desplazamiento para reducir el desplazamiento de los desplazamientos. Muchas gracias. Presidenta Fleming. Gracias. Paul, vamos a hablar de 32 desplazamientos totales. Hay 32 desplazamientos sobre 5 años dentro de nuestra interfaz de la wileland. Sin embargo, hay un número indeterminado de desplazamientos. Probablemente si tenía que estimar menos de un par de docentes que están potencialmente desplazados dentro de algunos de los más grandes desplazamientos que pueden beneficiar de eso. Así que por ejemplo, Open, Fountain Grows, Open Space Management Associación, podrías tener un área que desplazan 30 más desplazamientos que están desplazados de un par de 11 y un par de 9 y luego desplazados dentro o al próximo de ellos es un 2.15 desplazamiento que fácilmente si no es más inaccesible que los otros. No queremos limitar legalmente. No queremos limitar ese par de dos desplazamientos porque no es más de 5 a base en su ubicación y en cómo se le han desplazado. Así que decimos adentro el orden para darles la discresión en un de casos a casos de péssaros a ver otros de los de donde el tratamento estará beneficioso y o linha en nuestro plan donde realmente tenemos que hacer un de incertor reducción pero no se puede hacer porque asesabilidad de los Bueno, lo entiendo, la política publica necesita hacer esto en las ramificaciones de no hacerla en una mano, y yo creo que se acuerdan de la forma de las conferencias, pero voy a esconder las conferencias que he escuchado aquí y decir que estamos tratando, cuando dices que la gente es un parcial más grande que cinco aca, para tener un parcial, y entonces dices que se podría aportar a cuidar de eso. Obviamente, el riesgo de la acercación de la policía y de la resta de la ciudad es muy significativa, pero creo que a más de nosotros es inimaginable tener un parcial de cinco aca dentro de los limites de la ciudad, y entonces, para no solo poder aportar eso, pero luego venir a la ciudad con la mano y preguntar por ayuda para adrecer este issue, cuando, yo creo que se parece que estamos tratando de cuidar a los públicos primero, que es para remover el riesgo, el riesgo y el riesgo, pero luego, para tener una discriminación por el riesgo de la strangulación de la ciudad. Es una semana y un día que es un año, y un año y un y un día, y un año, y un año, y un año, y un año y un año más. Y eso, entonces, también está en sickness o coma. Ese punto es que tenemos un protocolo que no está en el Cenario, el proceso que green house gas. Y es just. You know, we got two really important goals, which are in conflict. One is to not like the city of fire and other is to have a city in the future. And so I just want to really strongly voice my my concern and that it has my very soft support. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member. Any additional common questions para Paul, Eddie. Looking towards the future. Are we looking to implement animals as we brought goats? For my experiences, I believe goats is one of your best deterrents. After all, they do stay on the hind legs and reach as high as they can. And nothing burns anywhere where a goat has been. We've seen it right here across the street on Sebastián borod, where there's plenty of goats there. And we also saw them being effective off Calistoga Road underneath the 2020 process feet from Maria Carrillo. So really taking account that our goal is to reduce the carbon emissions. It really feels that we're going against our long term, but also it's been clearly said if we don't want to bring down Santa Rosa. So I understand why we're moving this direction. But I'm thinking maybe not in 2021, but looking towards 2022. Can we look further into alternatives? So we'll say that the city has utilized goats before we used them in Howard Park. There is additional work that needs to be done in Howard Park, y eso es definitivamente algo que podemos explorar. I was kind of joking, but also at the same time relatively serious in the fact that we actually, in my opinion, don't seem like we actually have enough goats locally as silly as that sounds. We have actually heard from community members that they couldn't get them fast enough and it actually was causing an issue for us last year where property owners and HOAs that submitted their plans to utilize goats in lieu of landscapers. Actually, we're out of compliance or a weed abatement ordinance because there was such a backlog locally within our county for moving goats from a project location or project location. So it has been kind of a fine balancing act. There's like he said, technology, I believe now has goats on their property full time. That's what that's, you know, their commitment to doing their part to again reduce the gases. But that ties up one corp, you know, one potential business. So there's a lot of, there's a lot of need for it. There's a lot of desires for it. And we continue to help educate people about their uses. If I may, maybe if we do think or consider a fees in regards to the permit process, maybe this will motivate the property owners to look towards the implementation of goats. And that's more of a comment than a question. Thank you. And then circling back to one of the earlier comments. So the vast majority of these five acre plus lots are open space lots where it is neighbors actually or residents and homeowners chipping in and being assessed to do the work that they've done in there thus far. I know for me personally, it was a little frustrating after the 17 fires where I saw how much money that community, especially in Thaten Grove had chipped into their HOAs and their open space associations to mitigate the fuels that they had thus far. I remember the today's show setting up their studio on Thomas Lake Harris by Paradise Ridge Winery and making a comment to us about how this community should have and could have done more to prevent it and us being able to physically turn around and say, you see that hillside, this community's neighborhoods have spent millions and millions of dollars over the last year out of their own pocket to do as much good as they could have done. And it was frustrating to see all that work. They did, didn't pay off. We're hopeful that this will give them the ability to get a little bit more done than they've been able to over the last several years. All right, any additional questions? We'll go to public comment then. Folks are interested in speaking. Go ahead, hit the raise hand feature on Zoom. We'll start with Bruce. Can you hear me? Yep, go ahead, Bruce. Okay, I'm Bruce McConnell, the president of the Fountain Grove II Open Space Maintenance Association. And a lot of this does involve us. We have about 220 acres up in the Fountain Grove, pretty much running from the Montecito side down close to Chenete, all the way up to Parker Hill, and then out Parker Hill and around Crown Hill. So a lot of acreage that we maintain. I will, I'll just touch on a couple of things that were mentioned and I think right now I'll just say that if anyone is interested in coming up and taking a look, Paul Lontal knows how to get ahold of us and we could put something together so you could get a better idea of the challenges that we've been facing. And I do wanna thank Paul for sticking with us and getting this to this point. It's been talked about and worked on for a long time. About 90% of our property is in a wooey area, which means undeveloped land butts up against developed land. It's where the fire comes in. And we have spent, and just as an example, last year we spent close to $700,000 and that came out of the homeowners pockets. And these are people that are trying to rebuild their homes. To clear burned area, to clear Chaperral areas, to clear weed abatement. It starts in the spring and last year ran all the way until the first rain. And we cleared probably close to 150 acres. We still have some more and we'll be going after that in August when the nesting season for birds has ended. And that's one of the things that we have a problem with is trying to manage not hurting the environment, not hurting the environment, nesting season. We have sensitive plants. We have looked at goats, well goats don't, they're not too discretionary. They'll eat everything. And so you end up putting up against out of time here. Yep, thank you so much, Bruce. We appreciate it. Okay. I'm saying no other hands for this item. Dina, did we have any voicemail messages? We did not receive any before the piping cutoff yesterday. Great, and I'll bring it back for council members. Are there any final questions or final thoughts? Council member Fleming. Thank you. And I wanted to say thank you for clarifying that a lot of these laws are not fully privately owned, that their communal spaces are communally cared for. I think that makes it a little bit more understandable. All right, and I wanted to say thank you too, Paul. I know you've been working on this for quite a while. I've shared some of the frustration that I think I'm hearing from council members of our competing interests, our competing goals, on meeting our greenhouse gas emission goals that we've set for ourselves and that we know that we need to hit, as well as our fire safety goals that we also know that we need to hit. For me, that just means that we need to be bold in our greenhouse gas reductions where we can, as well as getting our carbon sequestration program really ramped up so that that way we can try to achieve both of those outcomes. And so I'll be supporting this here tonight as well. Council members, what, Helm, I think you have the item. Yes, I do. Thank you, Mr. Mann. Thank you, Paul, for that presentation and going along with what the mayor just said, y, you know, it's clear the trauma that this community has received since 2017 and a lot of people are going, what have you been doing to prevent this from happening in the future? And this is what it looks like. Is it perfect? Absolutely not. If we could do something that wouldn't have any negative impact to the environment, I think we're all on board, but I really appreciate the time and energy that not only the fire department, but also the residents of this community have come together to come up with something like this. So with that, I will move in ordinance of the council of the city of San Rose, adding chapter nine dash two eight to title nine health and safety of the Santa Rosa city code pertaining to fuels, mitigation, pile burning and way further in the text. Second. So I was a motion by Council Member Schwedhelm, seconded by Council Member Tibbets. Let's go ahead, call the roll. Council Member Tibbets. Aye. Council Member Schwedhelm. Aye. Council Member Sawyer. Aye. Council Member Fleming. Aye. Council Member Alvarez. Aye. Vice Mayor Rogers. Aye. Mayor Rogers. Aye. That motion passes with seven ayes. Great, thank you so much. Thank you Paul, good work. So that was our last item on the agenda for tonight. We don't have any public hearings, no additional written communications. I did want Council as we adjourn for tonight to just mention that we are now one year in on our shelter in place. It's something that's been very devastating to our community and I hope you'll join me in adjourning tonight in the memory of the 308 people who have lost their lives due to COVID throughout Sonoma County. It's something that I know a lot of us are thinking about each and every day is how to get our hands around the pandemic and make sure that life can resume safely and obviously 308 folks, 308 families in our whole community has been impacted. So on that note, we will adjourn. Mayor. Yes, Stephanie. Are you going to do the second public comment period? I thought we were out of voicemails for that already since we started after five o'clock. We did play the voicemails but I don't know if you need to take public comment again, live public comment. So do you want to make a ruling here? Sure, no, there's no need. If we, the second listing for public comments and non-agenda matters are for folks that were not, that did not, if we had people who were not able to speak during the first period, then we hold the second but we don't have to reopen at the end of the meeting. Okay, thank you. Thanks. Great. So on that note, we are adjourned. Thank you everybody.