 President Obama's hopes for an up or down vote on the Pacific Trade Accord were brought back to life by a 60 to 37 vote in the Senate on Tuesday. For more on this, we are joined by Ralph Nader, whose new book is Return to Sender. He's also the host of the Ralph Nader radio hour, heard on KPFK at 10 a.m. on Saturday. Also joining us is Steve Scrovan, who is the co-host of that show. Ralph, is the Pacific Trade Accord going to be passed? It can still be defeated. This was a procedural move to tie members of Congress hands with handcuffs. So they cannot, when the trade agreement comes before them in September or October, they can't amend it. It's limited debate, and it's an up or down vote. So that is a step in favor of the big corporations. However, if there's enough rumble from the people, if they demand town meetings in the August vacation that Congress has back home with your senators and representatives, the ones that voted with the big corporations against workers and consumers, we can beat it. The more people sense that this strips our country of control over its own environmental consumer and worker standards and exposes them to repeal by countries who export to this country and don't like to meet our standards, taking the U.S. to secret tribunals in Geneva, and either we have to pay billions in tribute or repeal our standard, like the country of origin standard, which we're in the process of repealing, so we no longer can go into supermarket and see where our meat products are coming from, what country in the world. If we focus on that, I think there will be a huge wave of indignation. From left to right, it doesn't matter, at this subversion of American sovereignty and self-determination to commercial imperatives in secret tribunals in Geneva and elsewhere. People should go to tradewatch.org to find out how you can get angry. It's one thing to be angry, but if you don't know what to do with your anger, it's worthless, so go to tradewatch.org. Ralph, to help illustrate this, I believe that in Australia they were going to put really grotesque warnings on cigarettes and the tobacco companies couldn't do anything about that, but because they had some kind of trade deal in a foreign country, they almost tied Australia's hands when it came to regulating tobacco. So if this passes, could you speak to how crippled our regulations in America would end up being? First, these trade agreements prevent America from being first. We could never have gotten airbags years ago because we were first in the world with airbags. Airbags would have been attacked as non-tariff trade barriers had NAFTA or the WTO been in place then, and we would have had to be hauled to secret tribunal in Geneva by whatever country that exports cars without airbags to the U.S. and we would have lost. We would have either had to repeal our airbag rule protecting people and cars and crashes or pay billions of dollars in tribute to the company who beat us in these secret tribunals. They don't even have to go to U.S. courts to beat U.S. standards. I mean, the more you know about this, the more you realize why I call this economic treason and I mean it clinically. Ralph, it seems like the Obama administration was trying to sell this as a geopolitical necessity, that we needed this trade deal in order to stand up to China in Asia, and it seems that might have appealed to certain senators. It was militaristic almost. Well, yeah, they made it like it's a national security thing in our battle for supremacy in East Asia with a rising China. My answer is very simple, have a trade agreement. You want to reduce tariffs, you want to reduce quotas, you want to reduce the obstructions in Japan and China against U.S. exports. Have a trade agreement, but do not subordinate to the imperatives of corporate profits in international commerce our right to set our own consumer protection, health safety, environmental, and worker protection standards. There's no answer to that from President Obama, in part because he hasn't read the agreement and doesn't want to read the agreement. TradeWatch.org, if you want to know what to do with your anchor. I had Congresswoman Marcy Captor on last week. She represents Ohio's 9th District. She said she was only allowed to read the 1,000-page trade deal in secret. This reminds me of the invasion of Iraq and the corporations are allowed to see what's in it, but our own legislators aren't allowed to see this. You're right. The corporations see it in draft one, draft two. They got their lobbyists all over the negotiating teams between Japan and Vietnam and the U.S. and Canada and other countries that are part of this trans-specific agreement. It's so demeaning to Congress. What President Obama did is he said, we'll show you a draft senator's representatives, but you got to go to a secret room in a house in the Senate and you cannot take notes. You cannot take photographs of the pages. You cannot discuss it with anybody in your office unless your staff has a similar security clearance. Imagine the Congress standing up for this. I mean, if I was a senator, first I would blockade. I would pick at this room and then I would publish the agreement that I would have had to sign giving up my rights of freedom inside Congress. Folks, you're going to lose your country if you don't spend more time on your citizen duties and you don't have to spend that much time. And when people think in majority that something is outrageous and bad and wrong, all it takes is one percent or less of active, engaged people back home to turn the country around. Go to tradewatch.org. You're not only going to get information in clear English, you're not going to get the arguments against these trade deals so-called. You'll be shown what you can do back home. You'll be given the culprits in Congress that voted against you on behalf of big corporations. You'll get a lot of details all done for you, folks. All you got to do is put your values and your muscle as a citizen behind it back home. And when they do, you watch those culprits in Congress run for cover. Ralph Nader's new book is Return to Sender. He has a new museum opening up in Connecticut, which we'll talk about hopefully in the not too distant future. Bill Murray calls Ralph Nader the greatest living American. He teaches us what to do with our rage and our anger. And if you're angry, you should be. Go to tradewatch.org. As always, it's an honor and a privilege, sir. Thank you very much, David, and thank your listeners. Be active. There's no other way to the good life. Thank you.