 ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ  ස ස ස ස පි මි ස මි වළ පෝගසදු, හැ කික් බෛක් කික්, වහඅස්, වන කික් චොවතිකකක්, ව ලර් කහ්, ව ලබ් පික්තු කික්තු, වහකකක්තුමි, වහ ලක්තික කික්තු, � the state of the nation has continued to propel mass emigration of young Nigerians for greener pastures abroad with fear that the situation could further have dire consequences for the socio-economic well-being of the country. the max exit from Nigeria tagged jackpot or jackpot caused by high level of insecurity unemployment infrastructure deficit hunger and failure of the various level of government to provide opportunities for the youth to live their desired life and achieve their dreams is becoming a social epidemic. though a risky adventure as evidence has shown many young and elderly Nigerians are bent on leaving the country in which they have lost hope of opportunities to realize that they are to realize their life ambition a large population of or a large proportion of the population blame the government or Buhari for the state of things in the country so today we're asking is it to be blamed for this massive migration out of Nigeria now please let's hear what you have to say remember you can join the conversation send us an SMS or what's up to 081 80384663 can also tweet at us at waste your Africa one with the hashtag waste show all right so ladies let me quickly read something that I saw right they say that migration or what do you call it that people may choose to migrate for a variety of reasons such as unemployment or employment opportunities and to escape a violent conflict environmental factors educational purposes or just to reunite with families that are probably have left the country if I look at the country today right and globally right there are issues what we face in Nigeria is not really unique to us as a nation yes you're talking about inflation the UK everybody suffering it you understand it's not unique to us so why are we not having other people say oh they want to come to your country they want to come to Nigeria the only people rather than come to this country are foreigners that have understood where the money is and how to get the money because while you're leaving your country some people are coming into your country to take on your resources so this particular syndrome the japa syndrome it is this really a direct link to our president do we blame him for the movement or this is just something that people just need to just own up that no I think I just want a different life I want a better life you know and I don't want to be in Nigeria because if it is for opportunities to probably earn an income or whatever it is those opportunities are more here a friend of mine left Atlanta to Nigeria like they left Ireland to Nigeria what is left the UK to Nigeria I know a lot of people that have left this same first world countries back home to Nigeria because they say that come this money is here so is it fair on our part that every time things like this are happening we are quick to blame the government let me come to you when you say is it fair it's not like it's an emotional it's not emotional let's be realistic okay so bring so if you don't want to talk emotions bring facts to me please Nigeria is like a system it's like an organization and every organization there is the head and that is the reason why people cannot come and say this department when something goes wrong the first finger point at the head because people naturally expect that the head has that control that authority to put things in place to make certain decisions that we precipitate positive impact within that organization so that's why people are very quick to see Buhari and people live in Nigeria right the reason why they call Buhari is because he's the head of Nigeria right he's a figurehead so it has the ability to take certain critical decisions there are times when people are complaining of inflation and a person will come on national TV and act like nothing is going on so naturally people will say what is going on why is he behaving why is he talking like this we've had this countless times when people complain and you can see it's practical this are not just messages you can see prices of things are going up there's inflation and there's so many let's be factual here right if you're talking about prices of things going up prices of things are going up everywhere in the world that's the point I'm trying to make so for every time I see these kinds of videos can we just please put aside political conversations and stick to the facts if you're talking about inflation everybody in the world is suffering it if you're talking about the hardship everybody in the world is suffering it if you're talking about employment it's not all these first world countries that have employment I mean they have a perfect employment they also have employment deficits right so there are issues everywhere so if you want to leave the country say that I want to leave the country because you know what I feel I might get a better chance at some things that I want to do for myself not put the blame on somebody else because this person that is why I'm leaving you know the difference between this and that is the fact that when those things are happening there practical steps are being taken to resolve those issues and that is not the same case in Nigeria alright things are getting worse and see policies are being put in place which are worsening the situation and things are so that is the difference between so these other countries when things are bad you see them first of all there's a communication aspect the top the people at the top they feel the emotions of the populace the local populace but that is not the same here it's like we are in a different world like there's just this high class and this very low class and there's just this connection in communication so that's the difference and people want to feel like their emotions are being felt by the president by the top officials which is not what we are getting so naturally if you keep crying and you're crying to your parents and they're not listening one day you want to leave home that's just how it is may I speak now please go ahead first of all let me give you a drop knuckle glory Michelle Williams you found it shiny to be I personally think with the experience of having lived in a second country that as you see me sitting down here I have an option to japa and until I secured it I didn't feel comfortable about coming to sit in Nigeria I want you to hear me well because I don't speak about it because anything can happen but it's the reality of life I'm a mother first and my life is important for my children so what did I do I secured an option B so that if I come to Nigeria to test the waters and things don't work the way I want I can japa without waiting for a visa so I too am a japa a waiting kind of person when 2023 comes if things don't flow I will japa no I haven't finished why do I japa in a country that I'm coming from like you said the government the people in charge are sensitive to the issues that the citizens are going through we've never gotten the social welfare system working we don't have a database completely right so we don't even have the right amenities to cater for people when emergency comes if I live in Ireland and I don't have a job or my job doesn't cover my bills I can go to the department of welfare and tell them I earn this but my expenses are this they will augment my salary those are the options people are going to fight for they will augment my salary and not leave me hanging they believe that everybody should be able to afford conflicts everybody should be able to afford milk when you are able to buy candles when you buy Tesco value that's the difference between this country and the other country not everybody is there conflicts should not be luxury some drinks should not be luxury they have grades of different things that everybody can taste it is not only the rich man's child that is eating hot dog do you understand it's not seen as a luxury or something for the rich man the one I wouldn't be able to afford is top of the brand but we eat hot dog when a country or government starts thinking of things that way that everybody can find their level they say London is the level but it doesn't mean that everything the rich man is enjoying the poor man will enjoy and the quality will be different that's why people jump I am peaceful I am peaceful right now because even we are trying to humble me because I stand my ground so now the question is I like how you have laid the foundation based on what you said and that's the truth it's a welfare system in this country I know people that even when the Covid pandemic hit people that were out of job for that period they were giving some stipends I mean my sister didn't work for a period of Covid she was shocked when she got a call that you know what because you have not worked because of the pandemic and all of that they credited her some euros in her account she was wondering if we would ban this they would not ban this so we are getting somewhere and I like where Gloria landed when she talked about the systemic issue so now I will still fall it back to the question is this the fault of a Buhari is this the fault of a Buhari and the answer for me is no not so is this the fault of a Buhari the answer for me is no Buhari is not the problem and that is why I would always say as Buhari is not the problem so is a Pitta will be not the solution Jigemore point as this is to this that is how that is to that as we say because you see the reason I am emphasizing this is because when 2023 happens and someone like a Pitta will be comes into power you know when someone like Pitta will be comes into power you know what then will happen there will be something like this happening and guess what Nigerians will do again ah Pitta will be the problem no Pitta will be the problem Pitta will be the problem whoever sits on that seat will be the problem will be the problem because for as long as this continues right the system is what's called not properly structured we will always have massive migrations like this so that's what I'm saying to you that let us isolate the human being from this problem Buhari is not to be blamed he has yes he's not to be blamed we cannot but go ahead let me let you speak when Bababa Sanjo came in having experienced military rule coming in as a civilian I realized that he went around different countries trying to get our loans patent to first take us out of debt get our reserves high that is a leader Buhari hasn't done that for us he's cost us more money to come in debt that he knows we may never come out of you are a mathematician you don't understand what I'm saying the reason why we are blaming him I think you made a mistake by saying he's a figurehead not meaning to say that but I see he's a figurehead because he's not consulting with the right people whenever he takes a break medical break Anoshibajo comes in you see an improvements in prices of oil and everything we will blame him but Nigerians have this thing that they always do benefit of hindsight when somebody goes we say if we had known that one was better than where we are today where Israelites in the wilderness always complaining about let us go back to Egypt because this thing is not okay it is our way Buhari is your turn to take it on your head now but when Bababa Sanjo was there he preferred solutions that made us have an improved life you complain about him and say Bababa goes slow Nigerians cannot be satisfied okay so let me come to you Gloria you are an accountant right and you know when a company takes out a loan not every loan is a liability to that company some loans are actually assets to the company because guess what you are using those loans to acquire more assets that would give you capacity to build so I was at an event today they give funds to SMEs they give funds to businesses and one woman that amazing business she does recycling and all of that in fact we had amazing businesses today in that forum they pitched nice businesses and all of that majority of them kept on talking about funds you all know that when somebody introduces fresh funds into your business that fund is supposed to be used to scale up your business so you then have more capacity to do a lot more generate more income employ more people and all of that so you see I hear the part of Abbasanjo taking us out of debt opening our reserves and all of that and yes this government I don't know how far they've done with our reserves I know it's really poor the numbers are poor I'll let you respond because you are the accountant I'm sorry I can't be part of that not all the time our loans meant to be bad things because they are loans they can actually create loans I mean take loans for infrastructures but let me hear your thoughts quickly then we'll go on and break you are right so liability financing is very critical for the growth of an organization there are levels which you get to and you need that injected in your company to balance of the equity but the problem is you are rightly mentioned about returns on investment or returns so when you are taking this liability fund in something which has no capacity to bring this adequate return so that you are able to net off the interest that is being yielded by the loan you've taken and also even draw your own business then that's where there is a problem so that's where I raise the question the monies that have been taken as loans to finance different projects where are they, where is the track record I hear things about embezzlement people still in funds we are yet to see it's almost how many years now eight years I mean it's enough it's a long time for us to see those things the loans that have been collected start materializing and even as I said now for something that has been up to eight years by now we should see some considerable level of return on this investment these things that we can start paying off some of this debt but why are we taking why are we still taking and taking and taking when do we repay there's a time when you take this liability and it's not it becomes so it's a balance alright when you keep taking this liability there's a time you sink in it because you're unable to repay and that's the point where we are now in Nigeria we've taken too much and pain is now an issue okay you know what let's go on a break I want to hear your thoughts I beg you now with God I don't want any insult we just want to ask a question then if you say Bwari is to be blamed I want you to back your answer with proof tell us why we're going to break when we come back we'll open our phone lines stay with us alright thanks for staying with us if you just tuned in it's our ladies night out we wait to find trouble is why the course of massive migration out of Nigeria is here to be blamed that's the question we are asking tonight please let's hear what you have to say remember you can join the conversation send us an SMS or whatsapp to 081 80384663 you can also tweet at us with your africa one with the hashtag show now our phone line is now open the number to call please people should call early don't wait till the end of the show first time call it call us dial it now please turn off the volume of your television so we don't get any feedback so I mean lady you will speak don't worry today is for you people I'm with you all the way but I just want us to so I hear you Glory so the issue and that's where you see you are falling into my trap deeper and deeper yes so there is a systemic issue of lack of transparency there is a systemic issue of corruption where people take funds and they do not tell us where these monies have gone but you know what let me take our very first call and I'll come back to you later Loma from Abia thank you for joining us good evening I'm begging you all citizens all citizens in women's lives but it is a shock that brings the bad men a lot of factors have contributed people migrating out of this country but if we I think a retrospect in 1984 our president entered December in 1984 that was when he established his government our president made life his administration made life so difficult the same migration people were living because of his leadership side and the thing has replicated itself in this president's administration so it is his leadership side and the people that surrounded themselves I would not blame him a lot but the people that surrounded I'm not giving him good advice so my great leaders of this country a lot of factors the environment is no longer conducive so look at it it is one of his people look at it he has not handled his strike carefully and that is why the thing has been lingering so you will not blame but the people that he is using for some reason now have to go through it because my solution is that because to surround yourself with people who cannot change in 2015 that make also especially to say you are the one that make people to migrate thank you very much so in long and short Buari is to be blamed so I was saying that because I'll come to you I was saying that the system it is history repeating itself well 1984 they never born me that time so I don't know I was born a year after we suffer I was not born at all but I remember that in 2015 my parents get to us saying that these people want to go out of both all our parents won dollars of us but we have to change this country we have to do all of that but I was saying to you that the problem is not so much of an individual it is a systemic problem it is that there is lack of transparency it is that there is corruption happening and all of that so why do we still need to now point a finger at one person you have to quickly respond to that the light will come in before we respond I just want to remember the words of the prophet fella when he sang once and he said how about the other presidents hold on let me take a call this is where we are this is where we are Steven from Lokoja thank you for calling yeah good evening hi good evening go ahead your life yeah Steven from Lokoja go ahead Mary is the good name if you listen already about the submission of the wife since she got married to him what he has been treating him on this is a man who went to war and he had challenged even as a military head of state he wasn't really well he never would well he only had this question to become president so and that's why he used all means whatever is to cause Nigerians to come to power so ordinary when you look at me as a person he doesn't have that memory to lead Nigeria so it is quite unfortunate those around him are creating more problems for Nigeria so if you look at the problem raised on him if you have a good leader Nigeria will not find herself thank you so much Steven thank you what does quickly say something in QMS for those quality management system right the top management are responsible for certain standards let me put it this way it's part of the top management he has capacity to set some standards so that's the reason why I'm blaming him I know there's a system issue but he also has capacity to set some standards and make some things work is he doing it I'm not too sure about it so that is where the song is called the reason why I refer to it for me that's where I learnt a lot I'm not just saying it for the sake of the things Fela spoke about in the 70s even before I was born with the same players still in government today are still happening in overtake don't overtake overtake he had said that President Shagari came and they were blaming him that the money in the treasury is gone and that Shagari had said he met an empty treasury and then he said is it only Shagari we will blame how about the ones before him which is I think the point you're trying to make Buhari alone cannot be blamed for the jackpot it started somewhere and it started from our time of independence believe it or not we've been messing this country up systematically, small by small at times we give a few bones to the dogs like we're doing something by the end of the day what we're actually keeping from the table is much more than the few bones that you're throwing at us the peasants okay let me take Solomon from Anambra said I'll come back to you Solomon, you're live yeah Solomon go ahead yeah okay my contribution how what your people have are the same I may say that it is a major problem that let the vote to be great in their country to another country because we just like a people that are supposed to and have the right positions to put everything in order yeah Solomon, I can't seem to make sense of what you're saying but let me take a comment great and competent ladies let me tell that people started living in Nigeria when Buhari was military head of state in 1984 let's not be sentimental and emotional about this topic nothing is working in our motherland hardship, hunger, starvation impunity to name a few do you know that statistics and Congo has the largest population of four people in the world PMB should be blamed he blamed GEJ2 before so he took over without the knowledge of governance and so he is to be blamed so he says remember this Bobby Kennedy from JALINGO I think we have a caller Osita, thank you for calling yeah thank you good evening good evening your live on this topic Buhari being blamed for massive migration Buhari to be blamed for massive migration I want to reply in this way that if a home is good if your country is good I can't see Buhari I can't see anybody travelling or living in the country if your country is good I can't see anybody travelling I'm happy one of you one of the presenters there said Buhari sorry let me talk if the country was good people wouldn't live as America has experienced all sorts older than us bad presidents, shady presidents Americans wouldn't live their country for anywhere else in the world most of them don't even have passports they have no desire to see anywhere else which is what we are talking about let's take more comments this from Ade good evening ladies Buhari is not the course of Nigeria Migrating Nigeria started migrating before Andrew don't check out don't check out Buhari's blame is that you don't get to office or a leadership role you can't perform he is born and bred as a military man to engage in external war all our military men are not supposed to be in governance but stay in barracks however why you laugh I don't think I should read out of that's the company use wisdom let me take Michael from Lagos go ahead your life good evening yes your life go ahead go ahead please I have to say that Buhari cannot be blamed for that I rather blame Nigeria you cannot have the part of governance where you want a good people Nigeria majority of Nigeria is Buhari and Nigeria you learn how to put the right set of humanity into power not to put it based on the right kind of religion because through all that I think I'm beginning to learn how to do it now that's all I have to say thank you Michael you said we should blame ourselves God bless some people that are coming to my side because I thought I was outnumbered today Buhari obviously is to be blamed for people living this country because we do not have two precedents but one and it is Buhari he ran the country to the ground with the kind of people he surrounded himself with Buhari is supposed to fight insecurity for us he's supposed to fight it in total but insecurity is all over the place if I have opportunity to run away before 2023 I will do so now because 2023 many Nigerians will not be alive things will things will get real bad and even worse Nigeria environment is not conducive for anyone to live in I am Sanctious also one of the reasons why massive jackpot is the system of education is poor I saw a tweet when a student in the UK said that there are about 68 students in the class of which about 51 are Yoruba sorry let me take from Lagos Andrew from Lagos Andrew you are live go ahead let me explain something employment Nigerians are employing politicians and these politicians that you are employing are not qualified look for somebody that has the knowledge we are employing tribalism which does not work what we need is people who can make this country good we must have a plan that we must begin to work on Japan or no Japan is not our problem but the problem is repaid the country is such a way that everybody will be comfortable and Buhari is not our problem thank you when we were about to vote for him we were told that he was not qualified but we refuse we voted for him based on sentiments what do we want now people are talking of OB not because he is an equal man but because of what he can do because when you can do a job you will have people who can work with you but if you vote picking people from the gutter to work with picking a carpenter to be a mechanic thank you my brother let me finish my point because you see some people are understanding where I am going with this conversation they are going ahead of me and this is the point I am trying to make tell yourself that you so you see we have this problem in this country where we try to push blames on other person now because of this person I make me they do am no we need to get to that point where we own our mistakes do you understand we have been very poor in selecting the kinds of people that lead us so they say that Nigerians deserve what they get is that a true statement the answer is yes because Nigerians are not ready to do what it takes to get great leaders on that seat so my point is be it anybody that is seated on that seat we are very quick tomorrow to say ah is this person in that constate no let us begin to hold these people by the jugular and say you have to be accountable to us right and force themselves to create systems of transparency that reduces a bit of corruption and all of that and put sanctions to some of these things then we are ready for life but we can't keep waking up and saying it's because this person that did this to me that's why I am going we will continue to sing that song come 2500 let me take a color please no vest then I will come to you then we finalize this show how much you have called you are calling your life go ahead ok on what I will have to say on this go ahead I wouldn't entirely blame it on him but out of 100% I will say it's 40% blame as a leader you have certain rules to play you are a leader for a reason the more you keep blaming for a role you chose to take you are no longer a leader you are more like a sheep bohari decides the governors and people who were elected alongside with him voted he appointed some people definitely to do certain things to work with his government now do you select people who are going to do certain things for you that will work for you or you select people who will work for things that will make the country move forward those are two questions then are we asked those people who are working I hear people say you are not aware because you are not aware of what is going on in the country you are a president of a particular country and you are not aware of what is going on ok if you are not aware why can't you sit back in your country and be aware you can't sit back whatever it is that is going on wherever it is you need correction but I know that yes there are presidents of people who have been traveling out rulers who have been traveling out that is common but a point where you can remember of times the president has been in the country and the times he has been out of his particular government and the times he has been out of his mother and the times he has been in his country is an error because when you are in your country you will know certain things to do you might not complete it 100% you will be able to know where to do things and as people in the country we make a lot of error because you want people to be perfect quite alright you can actually do things to make our own lives better but when the government does not make economy better for those who are actually trying to strive they will have to jack back thank you so much for the change let me put it in that way we have to thank for themselves in other ways but when this government people, presidents, governors and countries thank you thank you if you make health okay for people you don't make that available okay so you cannot stay thank you thank you so much please let's keep our calls very short go ahead this is from Austin he said I totally concur with the submission by the two ladies by the two ladies there that things are handled differently overseas than here if not that I'm already a grandfather why can't I consider the option yes there is global economy crisis but how do we get out of the woods our government run by Bwari will politicize it blaming PDP government no sincerity even as I'm watching this program I can see one of the stories scrolling I inherited a country with bombs going off in cities Bwari so he said is it not annoying he is telling me that security is too much too much or something so anyways the answer is yes if these things are happening under his administration then he is I don't think that if Nigeria is good people will waste their money to buy tickets and travel out to whom much is given people expected a change in his administration but he failed to deliver we are very poor in selecting our leaders that is another point my name is Daniel Ilew way is regular fun thank you so much let's take your final comments quickly so yes the reason why I said Bwari is to be blamed is because as a leader he has authority to effect some changes and it's from that aspect I'm saying he is to be blamed absolutely go ahead let's switch to the pitel last week we told you also that only one person can be there so when he gets there if he gets there he is the one we blame not because it's a messiah but we won't know until we have tried something else alright so let me take one final comment one of the reasons why massive japa is the system of education is the system of education is poor I saw a twitter a tweet when a student in the UK was saying that there are about 68 students and 51 out of those students are Nigerians so any parents that see an opportunity that will favor their children and future so as far as I am concerned Bwari both Bwari and his administration are to be blamed were you looking amazing thank you very much I have to take that someone said Bwari is not to be blamed what if there was no covid or the war in Ukraine for us is the best thing that ever happened to us I encourage any of you to visit the deep sea port and the new airport I hope the people in the south east will be happy with the second Niger Delta bridge when they travel we are so sorry we can't take more messages but thank you ladies I think we had a fantastic conversation we did we will do a part let's go to you register let's go to Bwari before we go I sure you follow us on instagram, twitter everywhere, tech talk follow all our engagements on social media like, share and invite your families and friends to watch and follow the conversation now if you missed today's quote here it is again no one leaves home unless home is a mouth of a shak think it's clay enough we'll see you guys at 8pm tomorrow as we bring another great conversation to your screen enjoy