 And now I want to move on to a few reflections on things that were particularly interesting or surprising or exciting that a couple of folks have heard. And we've asked today, Jessica de Villa. Rob from the Claremont Colleges. Rob Hilliker from Roan University, and Allison Hitchens from the University of Waterloo to share some of their reflections briefly. You know, really just a couple of minutes worth of reflections on things that caught your attention. I think it's probably just as sensible to, to just do this in alphabetical order is any for want of anything that is more involved so perhaps Jessica you could Yeah, I'm happy to thank you for inviting me great presentations I really enjoyed all of them. I made it through the entire day and I'm so glad that I did without any multitasking. So, some things that really caught my attention that you know they really excited me because they're things we're grappling with that Claremont. We're grappling with them on a smaller scale than some of the R1 folks but still they are challenges for us, you know just the same. I really enjoyed hearing the projects, in particular the digital borderlands. I love that the folks talked about. We've learned the digitization project planning. For me, we've grappled with that digitization project planning but overall digital digital project planning. With a lot of our faculty who have these really interesting digital humanities or digital scholarship projects. And oftentimes where we see that there's a need for additional guidance or support is in that part the project planning helping them to really think from beginning to end, what you know is especially outlining what their expectations are for long term access and preservation, and thinking about that early on, because how they approach the project would have implications for the end project, but also something else that caught my attention, just highlights everything was very interesting, but the talk in the morning this morning from the Montana State folks. And I say morning because I'm on the West Coast, but the Montana State folks that was really interesting to me. So this idea of a need for a shared language and the two talks together helped me really think about future roles. And this is a nod to Robert Robert's work, these future roles of librarians are librarians in the throughout the research life cycle. Not just the digital but also the, like the work of translation and, and you know advocating for that shared language and making research accessible. So those are just some of my takeaways. Thank you for, thank you for those thoughts though, very, very helpful. Robert. Yeah, I think I picked up on a lot of the same threads that Jessica picked up on but the frame that jumped out for me and I'm trying to remember if it was Jonathan who used this word in his presentation about preserving new forms of scholarship was ecosystem. And that really you know what what where there's a concern about sustainability. There needs to be attention to what is the ecosystem and part of what we saw today is whether it was a presentation from a vendor like Elsevier right, you know, for private corporation, or an institution or funding agency or you know body like the Council on money that sits in between a number of these bodies that there was a focus on data sharing on right sharing of code and models for doing things. And that all of that openness around that facilitates a lot of the other healthy behaviors of distributing costs and effort, and also awareness. Right. And so, you know, the entire idea for example of you know translating the abstract I loved the fact for example that they're working with the schema dot org micro data, which I think again is one of these standards created precisely by people operating between, you know, for profit court right so you see where I'm getting at here when we work together to build a common infrastructure that is shared. If it's open, then we have an opportunity to create, you know, economies of scale that promote sustainability and cultures that scale right and interoperate with each other. And so for me that's the biggest takeaway because when we start to think about I mean what have we talked about today right we've talked about issues of compliance, you know, issues of ethics and all of those things can be very complicated. So if we add an additional complications of restricting access to the information and other things we need to know. Then we're just adding another layer that threatens the top at all. So, I guess that would be kind of my takeaway pulling a threat to use several threads together. Thank you for that. That's, that's really interesting to And, you know, it's striking that, while we also heard all of this stuff about openness. There's always these caveats about personal information, you know, read reidentifiability of anonymized data and all of this. That's really interesting. Thanks, Cliff, and I want to echo Jessica, I think because I was invited to do this reflection it meant I, I did focus on the virtual conference today when it's so easy during a virtual conference to be pulled in many different directions so. So thank you for that because it talks are really interesting. Right now, I have a research data management hat on because in Canada, many of us are working on our institutional rdm strategies to meet the try agency policy. And so it was really interesting to me as I listened to all these things, even if they weren't about research data management as their focal point, how much it kind of relates into it as we look at the research life cycle, and just the reminder that I think from the Arizona folks from their experience that data management is a continuous process it's not that checkbox did my dmp at the beginning, and then at the very end of it oh wait I need to do something now I need to deposit it somewhere or need that there there's things that are going to go on throughout the life cycle that we in libraries can kind of have a valuable role in and helping them, helping researchers to see that. That I think for me whether it was from the work that Montana is doing to the work that Elsevier was doing to the work that Arizona is doing really was around that saving the time of the researcher. I think another group mentioned you know making sure that researchers are doing, doing the science not the administration and. Arizona folks I think that I will also said, you know, this data management is it's about responsible conduct of research and doing your research well. So getting it a little bit away from that compliance issue which I think when mandates come out. That's the first thing that our researchers go to is like oh our granting agencies want to do one more thing when we're already very busy, and we're trying to focus that away from. It's a compliance issue because you're not going to get a grant unless you do these things, but it's a compliance issue because it makes good research, and if we can do some things to figure out those pain points, like some of you are doing in your work you're trying to figure out where are the pain points or researchers coming to what, where are the ways that we can do help so that, so that it gets a little bit smoother and they can think about the research, how this fits in how data management is working at the beginning of it will actually help them in many many aspects, not just for this project but other projects down the road, and see that as a good part of research as opposed to seeing it as, as ticking a box and I think that's where our, our role in many ways is is going to be, you know with some of our clients is finding a way to tell that story, rather than telling the story of you know your granting agency wants you to do one more thing thing now and I think that's our challenge is how to do that. But one other thread I wanted to pick up on that I that that was with the Arizona presentation. They mentioned doing a lot of the research projects that they were on we're working with community partners and that's something certainly that as we've been going on around at Waterloo talking to the researchers about the new try agency policy. Some of the research are saying, but what about our community partners and what does that mean in terms of sharing data and what limitations or not does that put on and what are the consultations we have. And so I think that was an important thread, as well. For us to be thinking about this with kind of the different lenses of what's appropriate how our communities involved in that that goes beyond Indigenous communities which we are focused on a lot but also all sorts of communities that we're working with their data and how we can be thinking about it differently. So I was happy to see that thread pulled out as well. Thank you for those reflections. Those. Thank you all those were all wonderful kind of drawings of connections among the sessions and you know I as I as I've listened this afternoon I've noticed the same thing that while they were on, while our talks they were on very different topics they interconnected in a lot of both obvious ways. So, thank you for underscoring some of those connections. I think we are done for the day. We are actually on time. And I would just say thank you all for spending these hours with us. I hope it's been worthwhile. And I hope to see you tomorrow. We will start off at one o'clock Eastern with with an invited talk from Heidi Frazier Krause of just and we'll conclude with with another invited talk on the ACLS committee and a couple of reflections on the second day of the meeting. And certainly I thank again our commenters today who set a very high bar for that. So I look forward to seeing you tomorrow. Have a good rest of the day evening, or whatever time zone you're in. Take care.