 Okay, we're back. We're live. We're trying to make our way through a very difficult time You know in case you forgot in case you got distracted we have this awful disastrous calamitous International COVID pandemic going on every day And Trump will try to distract us things will happen to take our attention off it But we can never ever forget So, uh, I guess, you know, uh, you had a good question just before the show began Winston Let's talk about what's happening locally because I think trump has you know, he's he's um He's blamed the states And he's relegated the whole matter to the states. He's essentially ignored it and said it's going to go away With lie after lie distraction after distraction But what's happening in hawaii because that's not a good story Well, I moved it simple. We just came out five minutes ago that on august 13th, which Was I guess it's yesterday's news 355 new cases, which is I mean the high before that I thought I was a shocker was 220 Remember we were at zero cases basically at the end of may the beginning of June about three days. We had that there so Whatever conspired to have this whether it's lax people going out and having parties or not thinking that it's real or You know, the military and airline crews were allowed in here as far as I'm aware without having to go through Um, the same 14 day quarantine. So they were exempted from that and we don't know how many are coming from the bases Um, that's a secret literally from the military and the state obviously isn't going to report that So I'm just wondering if that's where there's been some bleed over. We've had city halls shut down because there was a scare there and apparently like Uh, a retirement party happened there. Uh, you have Tulsi Gabbard who's the mayor controls city hall Well, the mayor does control city hall. He let that happen He wasn't at the party and it goes con it was contrary to his instructions But it just goes to show you that And they they socially distance and they had it outside and all of that and they said they couldn't trace any things originally Then they backtracked and said maybe some came from it, but they don't know. Maybe it was the break room I think the point is is that it right now This is out of control. We each we can only control our own environment at this point and and try and Just rely on the good faith of others But I think the police chief is right that she gave out a thousand tickets or a rest for people violating the quarantine And that is what we need at this point is just to say you need to stay at home And stop all the shenanigans. I don't the school starting in a month Who's great ideas that that that can't happen If we're going to control the spread or have any chance of it at all And we had the mayor come out a couple days at once say we could be the next new york And not in a good way. So I think we have a lot of challenges facing us locally And really we know as you know, we don't we don't have a testing system What we have a testing system We talked about this at the last show There there was a budget passed by the legislature providing 90 million dollars For the airport and one of the items on that Shopping list was a testing system, you know, a sort of a high tech testing system governor egay Cut that with a line item cut to 70 million And and at best it's going to include Temperature of a crowd where the the crowd can see if anyone in it I mean the the system can see if anyone in the crowd has has temperature But you know what I like to go in record about this There are a lot of people who shed virus all over town who don't have temperature Who's kidding whom that's right? And we also Doesn't work The other thing is we don't have contact tracing and we've we've heard that it's 14 people that are contract tracing And 100 people and 200 people and 70 people It's all over the map and the paper pointed this out rightly today like how many people are there and josh green Says we need whatever it is We need hundreds of people to do contract tracing, but when you got 355 new cases How long do you think that takes for each person? To have reasonable contract tracing, especially when one of those people went down to a beach party with her Best 15 friends Forcing here it's very clear But Stephanie you're an educator. I like to ask you about the You know the the administration's push which continues To have kids go back to school and some of the governors who are friendly to the trump administration Are pushing every day despite all these incredible numbers And you told me before the show that we we had 1500 deaths now in a given day So the numbers are going up nationally Why don't we just send them back to school? Why is the trump administration wrong and how wrong is it by pushing that? Well here i mean in hawaii i've heard Leaders say that the teachers just feel completely abandoned. It's just been This this remarkable A mirroring of the president so that all of the the governors given all the principles make their own decisions about all the schools and so just like the president's giving all the governors the You know to make the the decisions about all of the states so teachers are um are very um Frightened as they should be They're they're they're emotionally involved because they love their students and miss them so badly But now they're kind of like have you heard of this? These people that are kind of dicing and chopping it. So um, there's this new guy that Is on and his name is atlas His name is dr. Atlas and he's the new the new Fauci for trump And he's all about the way trump wants to do it. And so one of the ways he's he's Justifying the way trump wants to do it, which is everybody back at school because you know when you slice and dice the population Most of the teachers are under 44 which is somehow cut off for young versus more at risk group So those other teachers they could stay home and they or they could do the virtual teaching or the online teaching And then the kids of course don't get it or they get it very very mildly and recover fast So we've got somebody now in the ear of the president again that's making recommendations that are not scientifically based and We're going to be hearing more about this dr. Atlas. He's strong and he's on and he's not scientific evidence based in his thinking Tim, I want to go to you for a minute. You know these moves by the administration lying about it I'm saying that young people don't get it saying that 99 percent of the are Are like a common cold or a sniffle a sniffle. I think um, you know there they seem to be really crazy because the numbers Going up although I tell you there's an issue about Trump's removal of the data from the cdc That's coming to light now that he's manipulating the number that it that has been bypassing the cdc but It seems clear enough to the country That it's going up. It's their town. It's their city. It's their state It's so obvious to the country and yet the bikers go to north dakota Some governors are trying to open the schools They're being as stupid as they can possibly be by following trump around How how will this affect the election? How can he hope to win by making these moves which are so stupid? Why does he make stupid moves like this? Well, Jay, I'm reminded of the old quote you could fool some of the people some of the time But you can't fool all the people all the time And I'll tell you one one one group of people you're never going to fool and that's the moms the mothers and fathers of this country and they're not going to allow their children to be used as A political shield So donald trump could get things moving along so that people will say we've normalized. Let's re-elect donald trump what you've done Is well what donald trump has done? He has he has reduced the credibility of the administration on how to deal with this virus If if everyone now starts to believe that everything is A statement for political gain Then when we really need people to respond to how we Approach this virus be either through a vaccine or a treatment That credibility is gone And we may have a significant portion of the population Fearful to take any kind of vaccine because they don't know if donald trump is pushing another form of hydrochloroquine or some other you know quack medicine Yeah, and so as far as as far as how it's going to result I think it's going to result in votes and and and ultimately his removal from office In less than 85 days. I hope so, but he's put the fit to the election I mean there are I just want to go down my little list one We have russia who is trying to do the You know those active measures and as they did before but worse Trying to twist people's thinking Two is you have the suppression where the republicans in many states have made you know legislation That suppresses voting three is we've seen plenty of this We've seen the gerrymandering in a number of states, which you know likewise suppresses voting We have seen Well, we've seen the possibility of the machines being hacked And of course, don't forget the post office So so I want to I want to ask you winston. We have a question came in in light of all of that This is the question Where are our web geeks who know how to enable secure online election? As one means for democracy in each state election Of our president. Why are we not? circumventing this idiot and isolating his influence using technology Why not and does this give you a possibility for comfort? Well, I mean, it's I suppose it's related to corona as as donald trump has touches everything in our nation but You know, I've watched shows where these kids these machines are are easily hacked like by by 12 year olds Depending on how they can get into their codes. So Although there are ways certainly to have secure electronic elections. I'm sure Right now I I'm advocating that the paper ballots if we can't even get this nation on board to accept that We can vote by mail are one of our most secure and And steadfast and important institutions in the nation is the mailman You want to see how the mailman works? Watch the postman with kevin costner Of an oldy, but a goody Just to see what the postman represents of our society on that level. That's a good movie, but it bears refreshing I don't know. Maybe we go we go back to the way they do it in india where everybody gets a red Um thumb after they vote with indelible eat that they cannot wash off that says I voted today And a paper trail with with multiple parties That are that are counting these votes all the way up and and and getting accurate counts. This is not rocket science It's done around the world and from the first rule to the third world Why we haven't gotten it down in this country? Is beyond me. So it's it's a great question I don't have the answer right now, but after this election We need to secure this system so that it is tamper proof as much as humanly possible Let me assure you that if trump is reelected and there's a possibility with all of those factors in play That he will be reelected. I'm sorry to tell you that He's not going to do anything to fix the election system He likes it the way it is because he can manipulate grossly immorally illegally criminally So, you know, Stephanie What you know, what about this, uh, you know, I remember the pictures of people waiting online Was it in georgia for an early primary to vote? They waited in the rain. They waited in the cold It's like, you know, remember the old thing about the postman through rain and sleet and and hail and everything Well, that was the voters Waiting online and then and then of course the postmen are being demoralized because it Trump knocked off 23 of their senior executives and And he's got all these programs going to slow the mail down And yesterday there was a discussion on ms mbc about about louis de joy Who's doing this on behalf of trump and whether he is a criminal and whether he should be prosecuted And and I think that's a legitimate question Don't put me on that jury. I'll tell you right now But the problem is are people going to be affected? Is this election going to be affected? By by covet because it almost seems that trump wants there to be a huge pandemic where everybody is sick Everybody is dying and everybody is scared and and playing on the fear, you know demagogues do that Playing on the fear. So they're afraid to vote or afraid to take steps to preserve our democracy What's the connection the chaos the chaos is what he wants? That's where he flourishes and that's where his influence is strongest So whatever you say about that is definitely true So he wants the chaos and also all those people standing in line some huge percentage of them did get sick So getting back to coronavirus That would would also take people down if we have to go to the post office in the last at the last minute Etc. That postman's not going to come. So you better run your paper stand But yesterday on the shows on the national shows they had that postmaster woman I'm sorry. I don't know her name, but she's a powerhouse of getting it out And she said that there's thousands of people in this organization And we have the capacity to get this election done So I think by virtue of the fact that we're only 60 days out or something like that It looks she says that it will happen it will get done But the the people the population needs to get their Ballot in immediately as soon as you get your hands on it You got to get it in the mail or take it to wherever they say you can take it So that was very reassuring because she's a pretty tough Leader it looks like they've got that under she was the union leader She was a union leader Not a manager Managers run the organization not the union. That's true in a federal organization But that's an assessment and she and and her judgment and she said she'll be coming back on to assure That that it can be done So I let me ask tim tim. How confident are you that this election is going to be straight? um I'd give it about 60 40 right now 60 favors 60 in favor that we'll get reliable results um, but those numbers are falling for me and when I hear reports of the sorting machines being dismantled There is no other reason for them to be dismantled Then direct result of slowing down the mail If I can't sort it I can't deliver it Well, Jay, is there any way that your attorney may maybe you know some more about the government? Who can who can intervene? That's the biggest question. That's the biggest question You know because it's not going to be I trust me on this. It's not going to be the attorney general It's not going to be anybody in the line of command in the post office might be the unions, but they're unions. They're not management Um, I I don't know, you know, the only the only possibility honestly and there are people dedicated to this is the courts Go to the courts and file lawsuits Seek injunctions try to change what Louis DeJoy is doing. What what do you want to say Tim? I'd like to say that I think there's going to be a message from the democrat to say If you suspect your mail is not going to your vote's not going to count because of of slow mail Take the steps to take it directly to an election deposit box Take it to the depository where the election ballots are collected And people may do that in mass because this election is so important to so many people they may just say I'm driving. I'm driving downtown. Who wants to come with me? Bring your ballots. Let's drop them off together. Let's have a party Yeah, and I and I sense that the union woman And there's also a national union guy who speaks about this to get his name But um, you know, there's another element here and that is the these dedicated members of the postal service It goes back to that movie and beyond Winston Um, those they may decide to work overtime free They may decide to you know, not not allow DeJoy to slow them down They may put the time in and make sure this happens On behalf of all of us. I would love to see that That's why that's why I think we're gonna we're gonna tip the postman every day every day. I agree. I agree I support that let's do it That's a great idea and I don't but I I would Bet given the administration what what it's proposed is that they will prohibit Any workers from working overtime Because there's a federal some kind of federal law that says you can't have them work overtime unless they're getting paid and so And it includes voluntary labor So because they don't want people to you know, uh be abused So they would enforce that systems that if you are working off the clock or beyond You're a lot of time you will be fired Under this I would not be surprised at all and you know as far as Tim's suggestion going down and delivering It's a great idea for all the folks that here in hawaii We just had doubled the number of people voting I think as as the previous primary because of voting by mail But I remember I did go down to city hall a number of years ago. It was probably 2004 Maybe it was eight. It was after the bush big or there was a line Out the door for the two machines that spit out of that where there were paper There were eight or ten electronic voting machines that had no one Waiting at them nobody wanted to use the electronic machines because they didn't trust the results that that someone wouldn't turn a dial or a knob And then they would have no Paper trail of their vote. So as far as these elections being secure How Boxes that you dropped your ballot in But just like one box in the county, maybe It's not like it's not like it used to be or could be it's it's very limited And uh, I'm not even I'm not even sure that it's present in hawaii Let me shift to one more thing. Let's say one more thing. Sure. But we have we have Kamala Harris changes the paradigm And it was encouraging to see her do her thing yesterday with Joe Biden And I guess the question I have is is and we're talking about covet here on the show um The fact that they call His lies out now more than they did before He wants to make a lie about covet. They're going to call them out. It's going to be day by day. He says stuff They counter it. Um, is this going to change the paradigm about The way the public conversation is taking place the way that the people are thinking about the election The way the the people are respecting or disrespecting what he's doing Um, how does Kamala Harris's entry onto the stage change things between now and the election? Well, you know, she has said that she is going to approach this from a prosecutorial Mindset and essentially puts, you know, the uh, the administration on trial as it were For its misdeeds missteps corruption misprint all of it. Obviously, it's not a real trial But she has that experience of the evidence. She says it's a it's an open and shut case. It's slam dunk that said Who's she going to be preaching to the choir? um, and And is fox going to cover her as the america one network going to cover her are they going to Get one tiny word that that that our tiny soundbite that misrepresents what she's trying to say So I don't know that it'll have anything but who knows maybe she's going to reach some people some Some some people that are that really have strong reservations and they're looking for a different voice She's the only one providing a different voice at this point. So hopefully she will you know, I I look at a nation like new zealand didn't have covid for a hundred days And then they have this wonderful prime minister as soon as they got a case out she immediately Locks down the city. She says no schools. No child care if you're an essential worker They have dead and outbreak of four cases now. It's grown to 17. They're not sure where they're coming from They immediately shut down again because they realize That's when that's political leadership. That is how it gets done. What makes this really complex is that trump's dog whistle approach um Seems to be working. I mean think of sturges north dakota with those I mean hundreds of thousands of people Without masks without caring drinking in the bars. They're all going to get sick morons Um, and then of course you got to queue and on Candidate somewhere in the south there want to go to primary and the public and primary So tim, I mean we get we have we have a swelling of trumps, um of trumps dog whistle thing and they're coming in from left field now and I you know when um when Um Winston said it may it may not go outside the bounds of the regular people and the democratic part of you Kamala Harris may not be able to affect the the dog whistle people Um, what's your thought about that? I mean, it's just This doesn't help me get optimistic Well, you know you and I talked to I don't know maybe as a week ago and remember what finally made the vietnam war ever on the front pages and and then the people's minds and hearts was Middle america was losing their their sons in the war. It was affecting them personally And I think in a matter of a month or month and a half you're going to see Much more of the red states start to see the realities of of these political bold maneuvers of not wearing masks a meeting at sturges Over 200 000 bikers meeting at sturges those people are going to go back home And those people are going to start getting sick and a certain percentage of them are going to die And once a death occurs in your family or your extended family you start to realize What have I done? What have I done to follow donald trump blindly and yet now I have a family member that's perished And I think in the next month and a half two months that reality is going to start happening And it already is actually it already is in the red states, but I think it's going to happen further Well, you know Stephanie there's someone you talk about the word chaos. We really got it And there's even chaos in the legitimate press over exactly how it's spread And what you know, what the immune system does and and is Fauci right or is he wrong and I mean, I'm I'm really getting confused. It's hard to hold a track on this and and is the russian You know Vaccine going to work even a little Is the chinese vaccine going to work even a little and where is our vaccine? Is it real? You know, he wants to tell you it's going to happen on november 2nd, right? That's what he wants to tell you and I guarantee on november 2nd He's going to be touting his vaccine as a lie So I guess, you know the question I I would put to you is What you know, what about that? People are getting more confused not less People are getting more concerned and scared with the increase in the number is not less How is the country reacting to this? It's got to be having a profound effect not only the disease itself, but all this talk about lockdown well, I think that it's What I share the hopes of tim and also of of winston winston's point about the The media is so important because no matter what trump and kamala do They they've got to get it out the same thing with the virus no matter how much virus we have sitting on the shelf It's got to get out So how is that going to happen and our media is only being attended to I mean, we've all heard the stories about They only listen to one set of media and so cnn stone. He's got spots and fox doesn't listen to cnn So where's kamala going to get that info out? So so there's that and the issue of we have no one in power The power person is this chaotic idiot who's putting us in such disarray and in such danger And now he's got this scott atlas dr. Scott atlas is the new corona advisor Whose main message this morning was that this well, this is hysteria. There's hysteria. You asked me about the schools earlier It's hysteria about the schools. So we have really been blocked out So that yes, he works in chaos, but the chaos has got a fairly Regimented effect and a dire effect. We have no means of communicating. So that that's what The kamala and and and joe have to figure out what to do about that And how to make it available to everybody what they have to say because right now We're already putting all this out on cnn and certainly msnbc and and and the npr and who listens to any of that They're listening to you know, if you if you believe in In trump's ability to innovate distraction You know that between now and 90 days or whatever it is 80 85 days from now There will be many many distractions that he will generate We'll talk about movies. Remember the mouse that roared Dustin dusted hoffman. It was a wonderful movie about how you can create fictitious distractions False emergencies and change public opinion overnight and we are going to see this is good a really interesting ride Oh, we have a question Okay What do you think of the russian vaccine? Well, that's an easy one winston. What do you think of the russian vaccine? I'm gonna wait for whatever the germans come out with And Or the swiss Again, let me put it this way. Do you believe putin more than you believe trump stephanie? Absolutely not and I think that we're also informed by his willingness to inoculate his children I think that that speaks to another dimension of this which is pretty dark Way dark because those they have not had enough time to get that right. Let's see But then on the other hand it was probably a hoax They probably never got those injections. I'll put money on that I I mean, you'll you'll do all things kid. We're almost out of time and I want to I want to leave you with one question You're you're a good predictor Um predict for me the next week or two. What is what is going to happen here because all the I'm sorry to say all the signs are dreadful. What do you think it's going to happen? And by the way, I'm going to ask winston the same question after it and he can be optimistic But what's your view of the the prognosis? I think you're going to see A greater protest about dismantling the post office and the overt things that are being done to slow down the mail I think you're going to start seeing Attempts to actually try to address this on an injunction type of basis some kind of legal maneuver And things that we've never seen before I think that's happening the next week or so because I think it's becoming more and more and outrageous That this election is being thwarted as a result of donald trump's fear of being thrown out of office And then prosecuted by the south manhattan district Oh, wow that rings true doesn't it winston? Try to hold your optimism back will you? I am not feeling particularly optimistic today. Um, especially with the surgeon cases here locally But as i've said before at this point you the only person you can control right now is yourself and that That is all you can do and even then that's hard. So individual responsibility societal responsibility lets all up our game and uh and work to um contain and control this virus And and be kind to each other and we got a lot of challenges in front of us But with this spike here I'm not feeling particularly optimistic right now But we shall overcome this too shall pass and i agree with tim We've got a lot more coming down the pike in the next week It's impossible to drink from this fire hose and this show needs to be a 24 seven news channel, honestly Yeah, really really we gotta do more than okay Stephanie, I feel bad that I didn't give you a last a last shot at things. What is your last shot see afraid? be very afraid Okay, well, let's leave it there. Uh, that'll that'll get people interested if they weren't before Um, there's so much more to come as you said tim Uh, tim appichella, Stephanie Dalton, Winston welch. Thank you for doing this show It's very important not only to think but to and his viewers, but to the entire community. Thank you so much Aloha