 Oh about Wednesdays start in the stream. Yeah, I'm talking with Scott Experience of pushing a button Yeah, I hover that little pointy thing over the stop broadcast words and then I just Push that mouse button. Oh Do you get any kind of tactile feedback from that or not from the mouse? I do. Yeah Nice the mouse, you know, it's same technical feedback I get from pushing the mouse button for any reason You know what football players get they get football players get Scott they get they get tack feedback Why did I not figure that one out I This is gonna sound like a shock I would I think I'm gonna event my goal is to host a late-night talk talk Yeah, like Michael Jackson or Michael Jordan Magic Johnson How about I don't know David Letterman or someone who actually hosted late-night talk show You know magic Johnson hosted late-night talk show he does where I don't know that he is the top example of that though He does the one that springs to my mind. Is he still doing this every chase had one remember Chevy chase that well Yeah, yeah Chevy chase had one for like two weeks. Yeah for a hot second not all sort of probably not the best example Maybe the worst example. Maybe Tom like a say Jack That's a show. Oh my gosh. I forgot about say Jack had a show. Yeah That's crazy and he's still spinning that wheel man Donahue This was a daytime show, wasn't it? He had a late-night show. No, thanks. No, not Donahue He had a show on MSNBC. I remember kind of a news talk show Morton Downey Jr. Listen, you're not naming any of the greats. Why is you're just doing that on purpose, aren't you? Am I Ricky Lake and my no you're not Ricky Christina? Tom talk what you just call it Tom talks Tom talk, I'm gonna start doing Tom talks to where they're just me pretending to do a Ted talk And it wouldn't you wouldn't have to pay a lot shorter shorter ones called Tom X Oh nice Tom can't come today. He has some Tom Salinas. Oh Wow gosh, you both made worse puns than I do Pre-show what's up with that hackle feedback? Don't forget All right, you guys ready? Yeah. Yes. Let's do this then here we go Daily tech news show is powered by you nobody else just you to find out more at the daily tech news show Com slash support This is the daily tech news for Wednesday, September 27th 2017 on Tom Merritt Scott Johnson alongside for the ride Other rhymes. How's it going Scott for the ride rhymes? Thank you so much. It's always good to be here for the ride rhymes I love Wednesdays today's weird because a couple of big hitting things happen since your last show and doesn't happen to me Usually usually you guys are chewing through the rad stuff on Tuesday, but today Wednesday gets a little extra service I like it. I know well Twitter went and announced its thing like Right after we finished the show yesterday Like they I feel like maybe Jack Dorsey was watching the show and then was like, oh wait DT this is over announced the thing Yeah, just mean I like to say to that. I say take that Patrick. You don't always get your way on Tuesdays. All right, buddy Yeah, and Patrick's feeling better everybody. So don't don't worry about that Meanwhile, Roger Chang is here with us as well. How are you doing Roger? I'm doing fine I'm trying to do something without an alerting you but also alerting you at the same time I saw and it was working. Let's start with a few tech things. You should know Twitter announced Tuesday, it's testing new character limit of 280 up from the current 140 for most languages Though Japanese Chinese and Korean will stay at 140 while only select users are getting the ability many have found Workarounds we're going to talk about this quite a bit more in just a bit. Yes We are Google said it will let competing shopping services bid for ads in its shopping box to address antitrust Accusations in Europe that seems like that's always going on Google's own shopping service will have to bid for placement as well So the snakes eating itself there. Yeah, and we'll see if this satisfies the regulators Amazon announced that Google made a change Tuesday afternoon prohibiting the Amazon Echo show from accessing YouTube Videos Google says Amazon's implementation is broken and violates terms of service My guess Scott is those YouTube things weren't playing ads, right? Yeah, that to them that is what broken means. Otherwise, I'm sure they care all that much But I was able to run YouTube videos just fine on my show previous to this But I don't I never saw an ad so that's what that's what was busted. I'm pretty sure that was it All right, here's some more top stories Amazon said we'll forget about you We're gonna announce a bunch of products and man they did a new shorter version of the Amazon Echo with a dedicated subwoofer and tweeter Available in multiple finishes including oak walnut and a cloth fabric for 99 bucks They're even selling three for 150 if you want to put them throughout the room because they have multi-room music now Echoes can also now make free calls to Canada the US and Mexico from within the US and UK and German Echo users get basic voice and messaging that the US already had there's also the echo plus Which has the same higher-end sound as the echo but automatically discover smart home devices and comes with a hue light bulb For 149 bucks Amazon also introduced something called the connect which makes phone calls to landlines from the owner's landline number Unclear to me if you have to plug it into an old pots jack or not It's 35 bucks echo buttons which uses the gadgets API to play games with an echo device for $20 a pair They showed a trivia game so you know buzz in the echo spot has a two and a half inch screen So it's smaller version of the echo show But it's great to be used as an alarm clock or keeping an eye on your security cameras or your baby cam Or making video calls that one cost $129 That one's not shipping till December and finally Amazon announced an all-new fire TV that supports 4k HDR and Dolby Atmos For 70 bucks. It's a dongle form factor to kind of a square thing. Hmm. So all right That's a lot of stuff. Nobody really saw it coming there wasn't like a pre-announced thing I mean, I actually kind of surprised there weren't any leaked rumors about this thing But here's my biggest takeaway a lot of these new echoes look like Google homes that have got fabric They've got color choices. They have that stuff going on Which they needed honestly the the monolithic black tower of of echoes of your are, you know They're cool and all but a little variety spices things up and makes a lot of people happy to put them in rooms where they Don't want it to look like a big electronic device. So that that comes as something I expected I didn't expect these buttons though. I'm sure that there are other use cases for these But now that they've shown a ring in kind of trivia game thing I don't I can't think of anything else to use these for and I'm sure I'm being very short-sighted and small-minded here But I can't figure out why I would spend 40 bucks for two of these things When really to have any fun you'd need for so I'm gonna spend 80 and then what am I gonna do with them outside of that? I don't know Outside of that I know it's cool. I guess I expected that security camera stuff that was rumored last week to maybe Rear its head here. So when I first saw the headlines going oh Amazon's doing this thing and they're showing off all these new echoes And I went oh a bet something's happening with the echo line and this rumored security package I can't wait to hear and it wasn't there now separate thing By the way echo connects the product page was not up when I originally wrote the bit for the show It's up now and I'm looking at it and it says connect your home phone Service to make it receive calls to an echo device. So not only do you need home phone service already? This isn't gonna do it for you, but you also need an echo. This isn't an echo on its own This just bridges the connection so that you can make outgoing calls that will appear to have come from your actual phone So any do any of these say hey Tom Merritt? I'm an awesome thing and you should own me like are you excited about any of these? Yeah, you know the one that really caught my eye is the echo plus with the With the built-in radios for being a home hub You think of the Amazon echo as a home hub right now because you can add skills and everything But it just uses Wi-Fi for that the fact that it can now just scan around and say what kind of ZigBee devices you got What kind of other protocols do you got? I I'll just automatically add those in by voice This is what Amazon echo should do This is what all these smart speakers should do is have me be able to say hey set this up And it'll just go and set it up. So that's pretty compelling to me Unfortunately, that's bundled in with the most expensive version of this Yeah the only bummer thing about that in my opinion is that the show seems like the perfect place to also have the discoverability and I'm and I'm kind of bummed that that's not part of that also it just seems like the show Came out with its own fanfare and now is nobody's talking about the echo show anymore And I quite like my show But it seems like that would have been a really great device for a central hub because not only do you have the audio connectivity for You know it discovering these devices and adding them to the to the ecosystem But there's a screen just in case you kind of need that and the fact that that doesn't have that as weird So I feel a little disjointed about the where the show is in the lineup That is to say the echo show but outside of that seems cool seems alright Yeah, and and the echo plus may not work as nicely as I think it does because I'm looking at its product page now It just says dual-band Wi-Fi connectivity and Bluetooth connectivity So I'm not sure if if it's you know if it's really doing anything more Than it's got the built-in hub for simple setup, but it doesn't tell me how that works, right? I mean we know what we want out of that and it has it point it points at it It points at it in the product page as a thing that's inside the device as if it's you know But it doesn't tell me what the thing is Yeah doesn't tell me what radios it has or anything like that, but anyway, these are these are all brand new that is kind of great To be able to just say, you know, I'm gonna you know be great is if I got this plugged it in And I have a couple of lifex bulbs. I take that free hue bulb. I put it somewhere else Will it just be able to handle them all? Hmm. That's a really good point and and simplify it for me saying Tell the lifex bulb to turn off the dining room light. I could just say turn off the dining room light And the reason this hub technology is not in the other echo devices announced today Do we assume that's because they are shorter but still have the same sound quality and you know the kind of things that people want out of a I don't know. Yeah, I get the idea that there's some hardware that's needed to do it And that's why the echo doesn't have it nor the echo Spot which is basically a small echo show. All right, and the dots aren't going anywhere, right? We're still doing those. Yeah echo dot echo show. They're all the same It's only the original echo that's now gone replaced by the new shorter echo and the echo plus I lost my dot and I put a hockey hockey puck in its place and it looks the same But it doesn't answer me when I talk to it. Hey, did you know that Amazon's voice assistant will be compatible with the Big Mouth? Billy Bass to so that gadget API it's not just for buttons That's confirmed right for real Amazon senior vice president Dave limp said it on Wednesday according to business insider All right, I think anybody named Dave limp should tell us about fish speakers. I think that's a great idea The US FDA announced Apple Fitbit Samsung and Johnson and Johnson no affiliation I promise are among the nine partners in its pilot program for digital health innovation action plan The companies will work with the FDA on guidelines for a pre-certification of digital health programs The FDA wants to come up with rules for software and this would allow companies to launch new devices as FDA certified with little or no extra paperwork, which seems like that would be convenient since the software would already meet those requirements So interesting Yeah, I I think this is great because one of the problems they have right now is Being able to say oh hold on this is you know This this is FDA approved because they have to submit each device through the ringer and the FDA Remember this isn't the FCC They don't care what kind of radios you have in there all they care about is that it's secure and reliable with your health information And so what it sounds like to me this process would do is say if we can pre-certify your software Then anything that runs that software will then be certified So you don't have to put each device through if you come out with a new version of the Fitbit If it's running the same software that we've approved of great You're you're good to go. Well, what if there's a battery problem with the new Fitbit? I mean, I'm just throwing this out there for for discussion sake if if they say yes We've pre-approved your Fitbit software the firmware you use on all your devices love it great Good luck to you and they come out with a new watch that's got some lithium ion problem And it shocks a dude in his arm Doesn't seem like the FDA wants to have their name approved on that necessarily so how do they get Well, I think the idea should probably be that the FCC is looking over that, right? That's what the FCC and and other regulatory agencies and voluntary organization. It's like UE They're looking over that stuff. The FDA is just saying can't can this device promise? the health benefits that it promises and Frankly the FDA's rules on this are a little lax. They're much laxer than they are for prescription drugs But at least you know it's met a a certain bare minimum standard there. Yeah, it seems good I like these kind of things Apple added details about how face ID works to its privacy page pulling in details from a new support page and a white paper face ID Apparently some of this we kind of knew from the announcement combines depth-sensing maps So it puts the dots on your face with 2d infrared images to create the mathematical signature that stored in the secure enclave Only you and your phone have access to that it doesn't get stored in the cloud Apple doesn't take it the data is purposefully incomplete So it doesn't use all the data it only uses enough that it can identify you and The points that it use vary from person to person so that makes it harder to spoof So it's using a lot of different data to make sure it doesn't get fooled and then it's not using the same data So if somebody could figure out like oh, it's always using this kind of data around your forehead and your cheeks It can't immediately spoof you because your data may be like well I don't have cheek data in mine or something like that. I mean that's over simplifying it But that's kind of the idea Also Face ID compares its stored signature to successful login images over time to adjust to changes as you age You know get some wrinkles or if you shave change your glasses It will keep up and say okay that worked and also if you have images that fail But you log in right away It'll assume well that image should have been correct because he had to log in code Let's look at that image and figure out why it didn't work Also, Apple pay will require double clicking the sleep button to confirm intent to pay So people worried about well, what if I'm looking at it to unlock and it just Accidentally starts paying for something you gotta take another action to make that now if I get a cheek Realignment and a nose job. Yeah, and I have my eyes tweaked. It's supposed to compensate for that as well Yeah, I mean you could also you could probably read just retrain it would be your best bet But if you did all that stuff and you logged in it would it would say oh, hold on You know that he had the code. Let's let's look at what what data started to change and we'll we'll take advantage of Adjusting to that. That's very interesting. The whole thing is interesting because I feel like Apple forecasted their Intent for this and this is obviously the first time they've had it on the ground and in use but their intent to Go the next level with all their devices at some point if this face stuff works out We'll end up being the default way you get into things. I feel like they've really bought into that so learning how it works how it May or may not be secure a lot of people been concerned about or whatever the one thing I always come away with these conversations So is this feeling that no matter how secure it is no matter how incomplete those data points are as to confuse spoofers and so on They just see it as a challenge They're gonna just hammer on this thing and figure out a way and honestly, that's good Because when when touch ID came out and people hammered away and they figured out how to spoof it it let me know Okay, that's the that's the worst-case scenario That's that's where it will break because everything breaks But it's nice to know where the line is so that you can decide whether that line is Infrequent enough or far enough out or trouble enough that you don't have to worry about it I I did not think that people would be, you know, so interested in my phone that they'd go to the trouble to create plastic imprints of my fingerprints Maybe that's you know a stupid belief in my part, but so far it seems to have worked out Okay, yeah, well, I'm interested to see how it goes Comcast has launched its extended the instant TV service in beta But it's only in select markets right now starting at $18 a month This is interesting to me customers of Comcast broadband can subscribe to the service Which is available on the web Roku iOS and Android the cheapest package includes mostly broadcast channels and options to add sports and news entertainment kids and family Latino and Yeah, it seems like it seems like an interesting package. I guess I'm curious about How how this relates or how this compares to AT&T's latest offering PlayStation view like everybody else's it feels like a weaker attempt at those things like it's cheaper. That's nice But it doesn't feel like they're all in on this idea But you get less $18 a month just gets you broadcast channels and local local broadcasts and things like that You're not you're not getting ESPN or anything in there It's also only available if you're a Comcast subscriber So what this is is saying okay Comcast internet subscriber who is not a Comcast cable subscriber How can we get more of your money? We'll provide this service and we'll be able to provide it over our own pipes So it'll be easier to manage it'll cost less to run because we're not having to run it out on the open internet But you as a cord cutter cutter will feel like a cord cutter because you're not Having to pay for somebody to come and plug in the you know the cable to the back of a box for you So it's it's a smart move on Comcast part. It's not necessarily competitive with direct TV Or or Hulu or our YouTube live or PlayStation viewer sling TV Because it's not available widely But I guess if you already have Comcast for internet service It's something to take a look at and say okay, how does this package compare to my other options? Mm-hmm. That's true Also, I want to be a cord to kid her whatever that is you referred to earlier I would like her kidder that's I was just kidding about cutting the cord. I'm not really gonna cut the cord Hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines comm it's available as a podcast and on the anchor app You can find the anchor app in your app store or at anchor dot fm And we are still working on getting it back on the Amazon Echo boo Twitter announced Tuesday new character limit 280 talked about it briefly earlier The compose view will now start counting down characters only when you've got 20 left So it's not gonna give you a full character count the whole time the idea is like just type what you need Don't worry about the character count you get to to 260 then it'll start telling you like you're getting near the end It's got a little circle that kind of fills in over time if you're really worried about it Bunch of users are able to get this to work anyway There's a there's a procedure that helps you to find The the URL that gets sent when you press the tweet button that fails if it's more than 140 characters And then hack that button to change it to say hey The new limit is true equals true for me and then you post it That's a little more complicated Then putting in a script from tamper monkey which you can get on github And that will just do that for you every time it automates it for you So basically what this means Scott is Twitter is capable of 280 character posts But not everybody's app or web interface is allowing them to do it yet, right? Sounds like that's how they're rolling this out instead of instead of rolling out the actual capability based on a username They're rolling the entire thing out as a technology or as an expansion of their current storage base And then if you have access to your so the client that they've flagged is okay to go Then I guess you can get in because obviously people are getting around it more over though the the idea of 280 characters which for those keeping track is Literally double the previous count of 140 characters. They just doubled it is so weirdly arbitrary to me and I told you this morning on TMS when you came on for your tech segment that I'm a little bit caught in between on this thing my initial reaction was oh jeez Don't take away the one thing that makes Twitter unique which is short blurb style Social media and maybe it's the thing that makes it terrible sometimes I don't know but but to me it felt like you were messing with the very foundation of the thing regardless of its origins and then Later on I got thinking more about and I thought how many times have I tried to express a thought a feeling a comment a review of something I just did whatever and I just couldn't get all of it in without really going to surgery time on the on the words I was using and using a shorter link sometimes and back in the day when it included your at reply names You know it was even harder then so I Think I'm leaning more towards sure why not it's a weird arbitrary number And it kind of reminds you that none of this is set in stone and that Change is always around the corner and I don't know there's a good philosophy lesson to be had with all this Mm-hmm really in the Twitter, but I think I'm more on the side of all right fine Give me double the space. I probably won't use it even most of the time But I'll I'll be glad when I don't have to make ampersand instead of ands and I I can keep all my word space the way I want I can use the words I want to use And it's still not a Facebook post. It's not that big So it is still fairly short right yeah, yeah, I would say so so I don't know how you're feeling about it now I know that you know you Did you go through the same kind of experience I did where you just like kind of weren't sure and You know now you're kind of coming around on it or where you at not not exactly my biggest Reaction was to think that this was the end of an era and I kind of liked the limit I liked being forced to edit myself into 140 characters and while sometimes it was too much I felt like it was a really good creative limit That forced me to to write better in this territory at the same time a lot of people want to use it to have longer Conversations and what I what I've come to believe on Twitter is to sometimes you can just say yeah This isn't the right place to have that conversation. You know having 140 characters at a time tweet storms are great But they show that Twitter isn't the right place to have that tweet storm either So I guess what Twitter's doing is trying to you know strike a middle ground to say let's still give you a creative limit But let's loosen it up a little and see what happens and that's why I think it what's getting lost here is this is a test And people can say ah, that's just a PR move, you know, they just are blah blah whatever But if they legitimately want to test this this is how they do it They tell everybody they're doing it so that you can see how it works and they find out people's reaction and see what it does What kind of effects it has on conversations? They claim that you actually get a lot more Use from people when you have the longer limit and that's based on the fact that in places like Japan You need fewer characters to actually create your posts and they say they they get better results there So really in the end this is about Twitter wanting to get more use they want more active users They have a user growth problem and they think this will address it Yeah, also, I I'm not so old that I can't remember 10 years ago and Twitter launched And we were all a little bug that we were limited to 140 characters that felt like too little and we didn't understand the thinking And we've since embraced it because that's what we know and I think we're still gonna have threaded comments You're still gonna have people that want to go off on Big tirades and have a thread to read but now those threads will be maybe half of what they used to be They won't be so long that they're tricky to get through the client doesn't have to load more when you want to see the Tail end of a thread like that's gonna happen because people use things the way they're gonna use things and there's really not much Twitter can do About that, but they probably have a pretty good idea of what they need to do to take things to whatever the next level goal is And it's probably this so I went from very skeptical to I kind of I mean I'm not I don't even care that much But I'm kind of in the boat of all right Let's try it. We'll see how 280 does and like you said, it's a test, but it feels like You know the fact that everybody can kind of access us through these sort of hack around ways makes me think it's a little more in stone now than Then they intend just for it. No, no I could tell you right now that that's just because they implemented it the way they did and Maybe they didn't care that people would find a workaround, but I don't think that implies any more Permanence than than otherwise. Yeah, it's just the way you do it Is you say don't let the tweet button allow 140 character limit But let the system allow it and the system will allow it when it seems the URL coming from the tweet button that says, you know The exception equals true It's so it's just a little bit of coding and they probably just didn't want to bother securing it They don't mind that people can work around it. Don't the only thing I would say in closing here is that There will come day where they do and not an edit button, but they will do a Gmail style undo Which gives you 10 15 seconds to go. Oh shoot. I've got four typos in there or oh shoot I've given the wrong URL or whatever would be bad for live tweeting though Because that requires tweets to be held for 10 seconds so that they can be undone Whereas if and if I'm live tweeting, I don't need that 10 seconds can make or break whether that tweet is useful or not Okay, I got it then just like in Gmail you turn that on or off. Yeah. Yeah, so you just go into live tweet mode And it gets rid of the delay. There you go. I like it. I think we fixed it. There you go, Jack Problems at Twitter. Thanks. Hey Jack. Give us a call. It's no problem. We'll have lunch whatever you need, buddy on you I mean, it's on us. I mean never mind. Hey, thanks everybody participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them there at daily tech news show dot com There's a vibrant community submitting really good stuff You can talk to each other about it there or you can go to Facebook and talk to each other Or whatever whatever your favorite platform is go to Facebook comm slash groups slash daily tech news show to see that one And now Chris Christensen with weather This is Chris Christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute Now that we seem to have joined the hurricane of the week club One of the interesting things I saw recently was an article on tnews.com TNOZ.com which has some great travel and tech news and Tnews was talking about what the FAA does in the case of emergencies They have at least two mobile towers that they could put on the back of a semi truck And transport into disaster zones just in case the regular facilities are knocked out One of those is right now in Key West and another getting ready to deploy to St. Thomas as they're dealing with multiple Different hurricane cleanups. That's not all that new but the thing that's changed this year is they're also Authorizing a number of different drone flights to deal with damage assessment in places that are hard to get to to date The administration has authorized a hundred and seventy three drone operations having to do with disaster Recovery interesting to see how tech plays a role. I'm Chris Christensen from amateur traveler. That was really interesting Chris, thank you for that. Good really interesting stuff You can find out more about what Chris does at amateur traveler comm Quick messages of the day natron Wanted to write in and point out a Lenovo cell phone that's available for 40 bucks and runs Android Nougat It has a fingerprint reader gets great reviews, and it's only 40 dollars He says I own one and it works great. I listen to your show and on it and do everything else one would expect I would never spend $1,000 when I could spend less than a hundred phones are cheaper and better than ever says Lenovo But it's actually a Motorola Motorola e4 Prepaid phone now granted this doesn't have the high-end processor. It doesn't have all the RAM It doesn't you know, it doesn't have all the performance doesn't have the design But if you're like none of that stuff matters to me my my phone doesn't need to be super lickety Split quick. I don't need to have the best freaking camera. It just needs to take pictures I mean, yeah, he's right phones are kind of cheaper than ever at the low end 40 bucks This is where we want to be we want to be in a place where you can get a high-end thing And you get a good mid-range thing and then on the back end you can get a cheap thing and and smartphones are finally in a Place where that's true. It's never been I mean This is when you know that mobile is got it right because you can get all three levels and make everybody happy and it used to Flip phones or nothing on the cheap end and that's great Kevin wrote in Regarding the idea of having Walmart delivery people come into your house while you're not there because you have an August lock So they can deliver stuff. He says greetings from one of your new advisers from surprisingly warm Seattle This is one of the reasons I got an August lock two years ago Well that and opening your door from your smartphone was ways cool But as a single guy who lives in an apartment building in the big city, this is the perfect solution for me I order almost all my groceries online and would love not to have to be home when I scheduled deliveries I know some of you are freaked out by someone being in your place But I really do not have an issue with this as I was told by August that all delivery people are vetted and have Background checks before they are allowed to enter your home very similar to uber or lift drivers And you trust them or do you? You're right. He wrote that also I don't think I'd need them to put the stuff in the refrigerator But that would be nice where I really see this tech going forward is the ability for deliveries to be placed inside your home or apartment The rash of Amazon and other delivery packages being stolen is on the rise Wouldn't it be great for your Amazon delivery person to be able to open your front door leave your package inside? Also, I signed up for rinse a laundry and dry cleaning valet Wouldn't it be nice to just let them deliver my dry cleaning and laundry inside? I've been using the August lock for house cleaning and cat sitting for the last two years And it's great getting the notification when they arrive when they leave as it helps me feel more involved and secure Knowing who's entering my place and when they leave I've thought of getting an internet security cam to monitor this as well But with my smartphone I get all the info I need but then again I'm just a rich single male living in the big city. So I guess I don't count PS only my nephews think I'm rich Okay, I have the solution to this and I don't know why no one's talking about it This is the hot topic of American discussion right now What we all need what is basically a space lock. All right, mm-hmm So, you know how like an air lock in space s is the door and they lock Yeah, the door. Well, just you got a foyer. You can make this happen right now That's lock it down so they can't get past here But in here is a nice little mudroom where they can put anything they need mm-hmm And then they still have to get to it through lock It still has to be through a trusted key holder blah blah blah. I hear Roger already Mentioned this about the fridge with the two doors. It's built in the wall Is a much more elegant solution that a fridge with a two door also that only works for the fridge, right? Well, fine You have a courtyard with a gate and they have a slot that you put your but I mean the some houses in Francisco We do this you just have a slot you put the package in sure and you know what's it goes in if they make a mistake They can't get to it tough. Yeah There are already systems where you can have a lock that only UPS and FedEx have the key to and the United States Postal Service stuff like that Yeah, there's a similar to you at work pneumatic tubes a series of They should not a big truck And then you know what they could they could have it for each neighborhood like a mailbox and they would just come in Think I'm into that. That's well. Thank you Kevin rich or not. I appreciate your perspective and thank you Scott Judson as well. What do you got to tell folks about today? Always a pleasure? Thank you for having me as always Not a ton. There's a lot of prep and stuff going forward on a couple of projects that I've got going on one is a children's book I'm collaborating with my daughter on which we'll have news about soon. We're doing a Kickstarter for that But if people want to follow along with the shows we have going on Oh, I will mention this one Justin Robert Young one of the contributors here on the show he and I Have re-rolled a podcast and just started something called unfriend me which aired yesterday The details are a little scant on where you can get it except you can get it on the hotline Monday feed You can get on the mega feed for frog pants or frog pants comm you'll find that information It's on YouTube and on SoundCloud and everything else. We'll have its own feed here shortly Hopefully before the end of this week but it's us talking about big social issues of the day and Doing it with a bent toward having people call in live and listening to what you have to say about those things So that sounds interesting to you. 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We'll talk to you tomorrow This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants calm Smooth smooth I like the guide. Yeah, the guide the guide was good. Yeah, I'm in it Men that on TMS more. I like yeah, I mean my guide is basically whatever we're doing We sew it up by the top of the hour because that's when guests come on But it might be nice to you know, the other stuff that comes before that spread those out a more meaningful way And yes, Justin Robbie Young will be on the show tomorrow Should be oh, I didn't tape it bad bad me bad you Roger bad Roger always punishes himself I Enjoy That's why it wouldn't be it wouldn't work. Oh, wait a minute. I just typed in the wrong date Wait a minute. Why is it 27th all the way over here? Well, it is the 27th. No, no, no the Yeah, did he get shifted over by someone? Where would me like in the in the in the dock Like if you look at it, it's the numbers are out of order at the bottom the tabs. Yeah, they are I didn't move that. Oh Yeah, you know that happens sometimes if someone is accessing our dock from From like a tablet or something. Oh, or if they if they make changes from an out-of-date browser tab Okay, hold on. I'm moving it. Don't I had a Before where I didn't refresh my browser and I was working in a sheet that when I refreshed was no longer in view They're going to move it half between template Yes, I was trying to move it while you were trying to move it. I think that's why it wasn't working I just moved it and then you know it Let me I'm gonna just refresh mine. This is how it gets out of out of whack though Collaboration yeah too much collaboration. It has its weakness weeks the thing side still loading. Okay looks right to me now I'm not gonna touch it It looks wrong refresh Hey, nice. All right So, what are we gonna call this your grandma looks all at a show? This Bob's your uncle go Amazon announces new echo echo echo echo Scott got Jim Scott Johnson planning finance Planning financial massive facial reconstruction Corda kidder Scott wants to be a cord kidder Twi Scott feels disjointed 280 characters is the new verified Twitter doubles its length not everyone impressed still no edit button 404 cheek data not available Twitter to to try twice the tweets Tom can pronounce new get And we did that for all of you Australians and English and other people who say new get New guy What does that mean just what then why add a T if you're just gonna ah Well, there's plenty of words that you have a T that you don't pronounce like like fair nay and I Just cuz I can't think of anyone on demand doesn't mean they're not out there Chatroom I need English words that have a T at the end that you don't pronounce stat depot. Thank you depot not depot It should be a depot Depot is on the kettle. What are we gonna name this one though far? I don't know Scott did he leave I know he's still there. He's talking to someone Okay, Amazon announces new echo echo echo is tops followed by Twitter Hmm, yeah, we can do air Amazon announces new echo echo echo echo. I like that You know fly me to the doom Rapour, thank you coal bear another good one. That's his name What so Colbert it's Colbert His name is cold bear rap or though. What about rapport French? It's an English word though Rope and so report new guy is also an English rapper port and if you pronounce a new get Why put letters and words that you know I can enunciate clever Well, okay Every oh you gh or I you know English word is this guilty of that same thing ballet another good one Thank you, so he brings bacon Doesn't ballet have two else Does that matter? Think you're bouquet They're all French words so's new get new get Merlot No, why don't you just send me roger's the source roger I Sample right there Gourmet they are all French words of French origin French actually don't have the ability to say any words with tea Their tongue doesn't turn that way Describe English is sounding like a cat being strangled Mm-hmm Scott's having a little impromptu meeting over there. Oh, does he look angry? No, I don't think so Can you do bad lip reading tell me what he's It's kind of hard from the side crochet duvet Are you done tater tots do you need any more examples ricochet a ricochet Tarshay Plea nice You're showing great research abilities everyone Now I try that without Google. Oh, yeah another one show bar Showbo is that showbo or show bar showbo Shabbat Shabbat Touche Monami Wonder who he's meeting who he's talking to I'm very curious Wow, they're coming fast and furious now. I actually said ballet in the show too fast See those as fast Phylic for her, which is ironic, which is what people say water buffet croquet Pinotchet as cargo beret Barrette though is is an alternative pronunciation Yes, I Don't prefer it personally, but it is legitimate Preferences immaterial I actually I say I'm gonna say new get and I will continue to say new get but I I do get so much Shiding from friends overseas that I thought I'd at least throw them a bone this one time Not as bad as when I did nanometer For years Instead of nanometer how many kilometers how many nanometers we just the chat room just Displayed an impressive ability to research words that end in T that aren't pronounced Really? Yeah, well, that's because they're smart Roger asked for examples and he got them by the way if you ever need I was thinking in the weather thing Mm-hmm So hunts the wind who's oh, yeah You know who he is so he was on I've had him on TMS twice now with the big storms. We had oh works for the National Weather Service He it was Fascinating some of them best comments we ever got about the show were about this Why didn't I even think about this of course? He'd be great. He talks about the tech. He talks about I mean He was in the Navy. He he's yeah No, I've had some excellent conversations just at Blizzcon's just hanging out chatting with him Yeah, he could be really fascinating on here. He would totally do it, too Yeah, can you get his contact information to Roger? I'll do it right now. Roger. Do you did you catch all that? I? caught everything And nothing at the same time Whoa, Zen that is pretty Zen Stoner yeah, send me his contact info we can talk about whether and why whether or not we'll talk whether okay, I mean obviously it may be more To hold on to it and tell there's a big thing or maybe not I don't know what however you tell us about the end times and yeah The climate will be like we can brainstorm some topics, but I know there's some good weather tech You know Allison's and Steve Sheridan do a bunch of weather tech like home stuff with a weather station. It's pretty cool Oh, yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool Yeah, weather tech will do weather tech. I like it. How do you decide whether and maybe maybe hold on now? Maybe save him and use him for one of my labs Sure Because that's kind of the idea right? I can't do every lab can't possibly be art tech necessarily You know what I mean? Yeah, no, that's that's totally you can go whatever direction you want to call it Scott tech Yeah, you could do well, I mean I was thinking you do a monthly art tech update But it doesn't have to be monthly it could and and and so if you want to do like interview series I want to do an interview series. Anyway, it could be part of that. There's all kinds of ways we can go with that Okay. Yeah, and so absolutely can fit into the labs for sure Yeah, but he'd also aside from all that though. He'd be a great standby for The next time there's some brother related thing he'd be perfect to have on to say it Well, let me tell you how we detect these things or here's the direction of the thing or whatever You're saying he's an ace at detecting things. He's an ace at the things But he would have all the letters in that in that phrase. What if he demonstrated by opening the window and sticking his arm out? Lix's finger and does this yeah So yeah, we're still still email him Roger and let's brainstorm topics But I but I love this idea of having him be a labs episode with you interviewed him. That's great Yeah, I think that'd be pretty cool So talk to him about coming up with lab ideas or just separate of that just email him and say let's let's we'd love to have You on DTNS. Let's let's chat, you know, and then maybe we can start a thread There may be what I'm what I'm thinking we might end up with is a situation where he says the next time X happens have me on DTNS, but I'll also do kind of a general interview with Scott for labs Okay And if you're listening to this hunts the wind now, you know, what we're gonna be very well might be Yeah, I know coffee episode breaking wind Breaking wind That could be your lab series You just do a series of things where you try to break down how weather tech works You can never sing the breaking bad theme because it's kind of hard this doesn't really have a melody I know whenever you do it. I hear Yeah, because I know I'm not doing it, right? That's The criminal justice system it either takes too long or you don't get the results you want These stories I can't believe they didn't use that Being it why wasn't I just recording that and I would have done a video mashup of you doing the narration Before the music starts in an episode. Well, guess what I was recording it. Okay, you should keep that Yeah, no, it's gonna be in our our posts are our full full show posts for the patrons perfect 215 mark that time 214 215 that's where you'll find it. All right Or 315 mountain. Thanks everybody. Goodbye. Enjoy your day. Be good to each other. I will talk to you tomorrow