 draft script for remotely conducted open meetings. Good afternoon, good evening. This open meeting of the Arlington School Committees being conducted remotely consistent with Governor Baker's executive order. I'm gonna like slash and burn because I think he told us we could shrink it. In order to mitigate the transmission of the virus, we have been advised to suspend public gatherings. And as such, the governor's order suspends the requirement of the open meeting law. All members of public bodies are allowed and encouraged to participate remotely. This meeting will not feature public comment. We are convening via Zoom. Some attendees are participating by video conference. Others may be able to see you. Don't screen share your computer. The materials for the meeting will be available in Novus. If they're not available now, they will be available shortly at the end of the meeting. We recommend members of the public follow the agenda as posted. I will introduce each speaker. We will have a roll call vote for any votes that we take. So, let's see, attendance. So, Ms. Eksten. Here. Mr. Cardin. Here. Alison Ampey. Here, and my video goes off because otherwise you guys all freeze. Mr. Thielman. Yes, here. Mr. Schuchman. Good evening. Mr. Schiener. Yes, here. I am also here. Okay, so I'm looking to see what we called the first item on our agenda. So we are here tonight to begin the open part of the process of searching for a new superintendent. So for those who are joining us, some background in June of 2019, Dr. Bodie notified the school committee that it was her intention to retire at the end of, in, at the end of June, 2021. So we did a two year contract at that time. And then in the spring, we spent some time in the winter of last school year into the spring planning a superintendent search in a subcommittee which was led by Mr. Schuchman. And at the time, the other members were Dr. Alison Ampey and Ms. Seuss, who was a former member of the committee. We moved forward when we set our subcommittees for this cycle and Mr. Cardin took Ms. Seuss' position on the superintendent search process subcommittee, those three members of the school committee along with a number of members of the public. I think it was, you were a committee of 13, is that right, Mr. Schuchman? 15. 15, all right. So along with 12 other members of the community, including members of the public, parents, members of the Arlington Public Schools, community, teachers, administrators, et cetera, worked together over the last six to eight weeks, I think to begin the process of searching for our new superintendent. And I know that Mr. Schuchman can speak more articulately to this than I can because he was more involved in the process. And I will let him do so, but just so that people know, so where we are tonight is that we are in a place where the search process committee has finished their work. They have finalists to bring to the school committee and then we are meeting tonight, not to discuss the finalists, but to plan the very important work over the coming weeks of soliciting the opinion of all of the stakeholders in the community about these candidates so that ultimately we can make a decision. So Mr. Schuchman, would you like to give us some, whatever background you would like and tell us about the finalists? Does that make sense? That makes perfect sense. All right, go ahead. Okay, so we start off with a 15 member search screening committee with two alternates. And I wanna say it was an extraordinary committee. People volunteered to meet together on Zoom for a bunch of nights, like seven nights to gather questions, to interview the candidates and to deliberate. This was a very diverse committee. It was made into a diverse committee for very solid reasons because we wanted different viewpoints and different opinions and different perspectives. And at the end of the entire process, we converged both in terms of consensus and a unanimous vote to decide to recommend to the school committee that we proceed with two finalists for the position of superintendent. I have posted their information at Arlingtonsuper.com, the two finalists are Dr. Veronica Greer who is superintendent in Sharon and Dr. Elizabeth Homan who is assistant superintendent in Waltham. We used a rating system to get there and Kirstie was very helpful because she suggested the methodology which worked just fine. These two candidates rose to the top of the nine candidates we selected to interview who rose to the top of the 20 applicants. So we are in 100% agreement that we are presenting to the committee the two best candidates for the position. We have done a bunch of preliminary reference checking and of course, MASC has done much of that for us. And we've done whatever investigations and questions we can raise about the two candidates without compromising the confidentiality of the process. So that if I had a friend in Waltham or in Sharon and I were to call them up and say, hey, what do you think about this person? It would expose them as a candidate which would not have been an ethical thing for us to do. So we've relied upon third party sources and in other information available to us in order to verify that these are two candidates that definitely have the credentials to move forward. They also have excellent letters of recommendation in the file. And if you look at the website anyone is able to go and click upon their application which includes their letters of reference. They are redacted so we're not disclosing personal information other than that that is the actual application that the committee saw. I also wanna stress that for the other 18 people who began the search process, this has been a confidential search process and that we are ethically obliged not to discuss anyone who might have applied or did not apply that weren't brought forward. So these are the only two candidates we can talk about. And we have basically a unanimous vote and a consensus to support them. The next conversation will be, how do we go about the business of conducting the next set of interviews which under normal circumstances would be a pretty easy thing to do because we have traditionally invited the candidates to come to the district, tour the district, meet a lot of people in the middle of a pandemic. That's not in the range of possibilities. So we will probably do a bunch of work on Zoom with two components. One component is in which the candidates will spend some time in open community forums with teachers, parents, community members, all public with the exception of the teachers. We want the teachers to be able to talk to the candidate on their own confidentially. But for community members, the rest of it will be an open process. We'll invite the two candidates to arrange individual meetings on Zoom or on the telephone with the town manager, superintendent Boaty and district leadership. And we will also supply for the community a survey monkey type document where if they participate in or watch one of these community events, they can go in and rate the candidate on various scales and provide feedback. After that happens, we'll be able to look at the feedback as we interview the candidates, which I anticipate being at least two hours for each session. This is an important job moving forward. And then we'd have a deliberation, possible site visits, Zoom site visits. We can decide what we want to do moving forward after we meet and interview the candidates. Now, I will also state that we had a series of questions that we did ask the candidates through the first round. That has been distributed to the school committee and we'll make that public as well. So people know the questions that we had asked in the past. So that our questions as a school committee, hopefully will not be the type of time crunch where you have about four minutes to answer a question. I'd like to see us move to a format where we give each member of the committee say 10 minutes to engage in conversations with each candidate within a framework of questions so that we could get a conversation, get a feel for who they are and ask them about things that are more relevant to public governance. And that's where we stand right now. We'll have to schedule times for two interviews with the committee, which are public meetings. We're entering town meeting season, which makes, and we have Veterans Day and Thanksgiving, which makes it more complicated. So it's proving to be a more challenging time to do the finals than we anticipated when we set up the timeline a few months ago. But we can do this. And I think that we've got two excellent candidates. The community will be fortunate to hire either one. And I look forward to giving the community the opportunity to meet them. And that's what I have to say. Great, thank you, Mr. Schuchman. And thank you to both you and Mr. Cardin and Dr. Allison Ampey and Ms. Seuss, as well as the other 12 members of the Search Process Committee. This was a very time consuming process for all of you. And I think I can only speak for myself, but I can imagine that myself and the other three members of the committee are excited to be here at this juncture on November 4th, having an opportunity to meet two finalists for this position. So I'm really grateful for all of your hard work because we wouldn't be here in early November if it wasn't for all of you and for the willingness of the Search Committee to really pull double duty and spend an extraordinary amount of time interviewing all of the other candidates. I will note for the public that as Mr. Schuchman noted that the process until this point was done in executive session and the other members of the school committee, myself, Ms. Exton, Mr. Heiner and Mr. Thielman did not participate in that part of the process. And so we, these candidates are new to us as well, which is exciting. So I think what I'd like to do is if there's a motion to accept these two finalists, I think that we should go through that and then we can work through figuring out our next steps. Madam Chair, I move we accept the finalists and move forward with scheduling interviews for them. Second. All right, any more, any discussion? It's hard to actually, it's hard to see you guys. Mr. Schuchman, are you able to unshare your screen so then I can get everybody back in front of me? Yes, I can. Yeah, that'd be appropriate. We're all here. Okay. So seeing no. Oh, Mr. Thielman, go ahead. Yeah. I just, I want to thank the screening committee. And you know, I just read through their applications when they came in when Mr. Schuchman sent them to us the other day and they're very impressive candidates. I, one thing I am curious about, and I realize this is executive session and there's, it's, you can't be that transparent, but we, we got two great candidates. Was there ever a conversation about trying to get us more candidates getting more candidates to this, to this final round? Could you speak at all to the, to that discussion without revealing people's names? Yeah, I could do that. There was such a clear division between the top two candidates in terms of the points scoring and the remaining candidates. It would have been difficult to differentiate a third among the essentially what turned out to be a second tier of candidates. And it was the opinion of the committee that these are the two people we wanted to hire. We didn't want to bring somebody into the search who stood much lower probability of being hired and put them through the stress and strain when there was such a clear differential in our mind going forward. The other thing is, is that we did ask Mr. Kutcher what his impression of that question was we spent some time debating whether or not we can go forward with two or should we go find a third. At this point in time, both applicants are highly enthused about Arlington there. As far as we know, we're not in any other searches. We are early in the game and the reason why you'd bring in a third in many parts would be to protect against losing one of the candidates if you only had two. We think there's a very small risk of that happening. So we're very confident going through going forward with with these two candidates. It is appropriate. Okay. Would my committee members agree with that? Mr. Cardin. Yeah, that was the only point I was going to raise was, you know, we did have a serious discussion. We wanted to have, you know, more candidates. But the way these searches work, you don't know who's going to apply or who, you know, what the, what the committee is going to react to. And it was a pretty clear consensus that there's, these were the top two. And it would be a little bit artificial to find a third person. So that's, you know, we just, again, we discussed it for quite some time, you know, and that's sort of where, where we came out. For that, by the way, I'm grateful. I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful for that. I'm glad that we're not spend time with candidates that. Are very strong people and have great credentials. I'm sure, but are not the right fit for this job. The point I just want to make is that. Mr. Look, we talked about a 10 minute limitation rule. That actually. They make great. I don't, I just don't know yet. I've got into thinking about the questions, but it's a hundred and 20 minute meeting of it. We actually could probably give each, but everybody 15 minutes. 10 minute timeframe and stopping people 10 minutes, especially if the conversation gets helpful and interesting to the rest of the group with the candidate would be. Not the best way forward. I agree in philosophy with Mr. Thielman. One of the things that happened when we had a 15 member committee doing a 90 minute interview, essentially is that it was very fractionalized. And I think the thing that. We need to do more than anything else is to be able to engage in those conversations. The committee is willing to go. For a 15 minute discussion with each person that would be fine. My thoughts initially were to do 10 to 12 and then have a do around of that, then do five minute follow-ups. You could, that's, that's a, that's a good idea too. That's a good idea. Actually, that's often better to have a follow up on. Yeah. Yeah. It's up to the full committee. I'm just thinking and reacting to what we saw. And how the candidates responded during the first round. And the kinds of things that we feel we needed to talk, talk about. Going forward in the finals. Is that it? Mr. Thielman. My final question is just in terms of setting up the dates. Is that going to be by Karen. We're about to do that next. It's going to be amazing. We're just right now. We're having discussion about the. We're having discussion about the motion to accept these two. And then we're going to have fun calendaring time. Dr. Allison Ampe. I was just going to concur with my colleagues that. First, thank you to our committee, the search committee, which I think was just, it was excellent. It's one of the, I think it's probably the best committee. I've been on. In Arlington, not including. Present company. And I appreciate all the work and the thoughtfulness that people put into it. Second, we did have the discussion that Mr. Thielman to echo what has been said, we did have that discussion and it was the unanimous decision of our committee to bring forward these two candidates. Oh, and I have to leave at 535. Right. We're cruising. Any further discussion on this. On the motion by Mr. Schlickman, the second by Mr. Heiner. All right. Seeing none. Ms. Exton. Yes. Mr. Cardin. Yes. Dr. Allison Ampe. Yes. Mr. Thielman. Yes. Mr. Schlickman. Yes. Mr. Heiner. Yes. And I am also yes. Okay. So we have our finalists. We've accepted them. So now. We're going to move forward with the important work of soliciting. Feedback from. Our stakeholders. And we're in a wonderful position in Arlington. I think there is a lot of. I am so grateful to Dr. Bode. Mr. Schlickman sent us a couple of documents. About. Potential. Hiring sort of. So how, how are we going to now do this? Right. We're going to move forward with the important work of soliciting. Feedback from. I'm so grateful to Dr. Bode for putting us in this position. She gave us a lot of time to let us know that she was planning to retire. And, and, you know, the, the search committee moved us forward and, and she got us started on the right foot. And Arlington and isn't a great place. So we're very fortunate that we have people who are, you know, who look fantastic, who want to work here. So we need to make sure that we have our community, and that we have the opportunity to, to meet with, with these two candidates and provide as much feedback as possible. So Mr. Schlickman, do you want to. Sort of. Propose a way of thinking about doing this. And then we can have some conversation. I will call on Dr. Allison Ampe first because I know we're at T minus 11 minutes with her. So I'm going to go back and then we'll, we'll let her know what the schedule is. So go ahead, Mr. Okay. I think that there are two things we need to do. One we need to do is schedule some dates and obviously we'd have to open ourselves up to date so that. Mr. Kutcher can work with the candidates to adopt their schedule. I think it's important that we, and the committee doesn't need to do this. This can be done administratively. So we need to do this. So we need to do this. We need to do this. The. Zoom sessions and introductions to the rest of the committee or the community. The only thing that we need to worry about at this point are the meetings in which we interview the two candidates. So that what I would propose is we'd have two, two and a half hours of time. Blocked off at this point on two separate dates. That can be scheduled. So we need to do this. We need to do this. We need to do this at minimum. After the community gets to meet the candidates. And. It might be advisable for the candidates to go and do this all at once, or maybe they do the teachers on one day in the community and, and, and other stakeholders, the other, but that's sort of. Up to them to schedule the only thing we need to worry about right now are two things. One would be when we wanted to conduct our interviews. So we need to do. Basically a framework for the, for the questions. So that we don't have. So that we don't come in, start asking. Duplicate. Questions or get surprised by what the other members of the school committee are doing. We don't have to hash that out on our own either. We can use Mr. Kutcher. And Ms Kelly as the conduit for just coordinating that. So I would propose that we. Pencil in a couple of dates for. Potential interviews. And then let. Glenn work further on this. Dr Allison ampy. Comment. Okay. What are the dates? Hold on a second. Mr. I assume these are going to be separate from our regular meeting dates. In other words, we wouldn't be having a regular business meeting and dedicating two and a half hours. I personally would not like that. I would like to dedicate each of those meetings to the candidates. That's right. So the, the, there is the potential, Mr. Chairman. We were the full committee. We have a full business meeting a week from tomorrow on the 12th, right? Which will be not be a candidate interview. We have plenty that we need to do. Potentially we also have another meeting on the calendar on the 19th, the night of the 19th, which is a full school committee. We could make a decision to use that as one of the options that we have. I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to comment on that. I don't want to comment on that. But I, I also agree with you, Mr. Heiner. I don't want to. I only want to do one thing. And I obviously, I don't want to comment on that. I don't want to do them back to back either. I want to do them on separate days. Dr Allison ampy. I would point out that I think this is the most important thing that we can be doing right now. And if we need to move our school committee meeting to a different place, I think we need to move our school committee meeting to a different place. So I think we need to be looking for just in terms of thinking about dates, not saying to them at the same time, but I would move the school committee before I would change the date much later. So, Mr. Schickman. Because we've got 10 meetings going to occupy. I don't know how many Mondays and Wednesdays. I'd like to propose for the sake of discussion that we. We're going to move the school committee meeting to a different place and then move the school committee meeting to a different place on the 17th and conduct interviews at our November 19th meeting. Doctor. Ms. Morgan. Sorry. I was taking notes on the day. It's not your fault. It just like, I've got a lease. Mr. We haven't, we haven't like the high school building committee meeting that night. And there's like two set meetings. We can't move. One is the 17th and one is December 3rd. We're getting close to. We're getting close to December 3rd. And so there's two meetings we kind of have to have. What time are those at? Cause the issue is, is that. The 16th Monday and the Wednesday. I assume we're still going to be in town meeting on Wednesday. I just, well, I'm sure we're going to be. It starts at six o'clock. I mean, I could. Meet earlier at four o'clock. I don't know how to. I might have a permanent town building committee meeting also that we're going to be in town. We're going to be in town meeting on Wednesday. So. Mr. Schlichman is proposing that we meet on the 17th. Two. And then again on the 19th with one candidate. Is that what you're saying? One candidate each. Yes. You want to do each candidate into different night. I'm wondering. I'm wondering this. I'm wondering if we just use the 12th and the 19th that already scheduled and do one meeting on the, one candidate in the 12th, the other on the 19th. I think we is the 12th a little too quick. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how to schedule. Get everybody else on board with all the. I have no problem with the 19th. Can we use one of the ones in December? Well, no, I mean. No, I think we want to get it done. I think the issue, Mr. Thielman is that we won't have met as a full committee for three weeks. Right. By the time we get to the 12th. And then if we. And we could find another full committee. We could fill out the, the, the meeting. We're going to, you know, remember meetings. We don't meet again until December 10th. Yeah. Which gives us. That's a long, that's quite a long time. The other really. I'm going to speak heresy, but hold on. It's a bit of a Saturday. Before I do that. Let me, let me just say that. We will probably want to do some eyes and cross some keys on the 12th. I don't know if we can do it after the 12th anyway. But I would recommend we, given that we're just going to go into scheduling. Hell. That we direct the chair to. Pull the committee to find the date of the second meeting. And do one at the, on the 19th. Okay. I would like, I mean, my preference is. I would like to not have these spread too far apart. I feel like a week between people is not my preference. I just feel there's too much that can change in a week. And I really want to see these two, these people. They don't need to be back to back, but I, I, I don't want to let a lot of time. Elapsed between them. Just for some reason it makes me. I'm not super comfortable with that. I totally agree with this Morgan. I agree with that. I agree with that. By the way, I totally agree. We want to do them both in the same week. We want them as close together as possible. So we have the comparison and can think about them both. I have, you know, we got the building committee and. I can't, I can't move. We've moved this thing around so many times. Agreed. And what about the night, the 20th, the Friday. I'm good. I can do that. I mean, I think. So how about we, let's do the 19, let's, let's do that. And then we can see them back to back, which is. I'm seeing Ms. I'm seeing nobody's like, yeah, thumbs up. Friday earlier than, than like a. We can schedule the time anytime we want. I mean, if we wanted to do it earlier, we could just leave that to. Just post bit early on Friday night. So. I wish I. Any time. Hold on just a second. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Next. And the idea is that we're doing these after the, all of the community feedback, the teacher feedback. Okay. So the intention would be to do the community feedback. You know, either the 16th, 17th. Or 18th. Right. Yeah. Or the night earlier. It could be any time earlier. Right. Or. But. We're going to do it as fast as possible. So then we get as many, you know, as many people in as possible. And to the same, to the same thing. I don't want to spread out those too much either. Right. I don't, I don't want. I, I would like people to see them. You know. One right after the other, Dr. Allison Amby. Two saying, well, three things. Um, November 24th is a building committee meeting. Was that changed? Um, to, uh, when, if we have our interviews, the 19th and 20th, which I think is fine. When would you want to do us meeting and thinking and deciding? Um, especially given that Thanksgiving is coming. Um, I think we should have done that before the Tuesday. Yeah, we said the name. I sent an email out moving the meeting. You should have gotten that from the. There's no meeting. I got one moving things to the morning. Okay. I'll, I'll figure it out. Yep. Okay. I just want to be sure it's on the 10 right now. It's still on the town website as being a meeting. So. Mr. Heiner. Yeah. I'm just going to, I'm just going to, I'm just going to, I'm just going to, I'm just going to, I'm just going to defer to Paul. Is that a open meeting also Paul or can that be done in private? Yes, it's an open meeting. Okay. Just want to make sure. Uh, everything we do from this point out with the exception of. A discussion. Relative to. Preparation for contract negotiations must be done in public. Okay. So you can also try and get people to the extent that they can obviously to hold the 19th, which should be okay. Hold the 20th. As much time as you can, because to some extent we need also need to work with our candidates and their availability too. Right. So hold the 19th, hold the 20th and hold the 24th. Right now. You'll get back to us with a specific times. Yes. Yes. Sure. That's fine. Yeah. But let's, let's, let's, let's pretend, you know, let's hope that those are going to be our date. And then Mr. Slickman, just so that we're clear, the process for setting up the, the stakeholder meetings will Glen be orchestrating that because I would like to the extent that we can, I would like to get that information out to, to teachers and administrators and families as soon as possible so that we can get, you know, so we can, you know, that you're going to get the, we want as many people as possible. We understand people are very busy. And this is a very, you know, challenging month to be doing this. So, but the sooner that we can let people know the better. Yeah, I will have Glenn get in touch with you as the chair of the full committee to make sure that that message gets out. Okay. So he'll coordinate with the hill coordinate the availability with the candidates and then we're, we're looking I see miss X and we're looking to sometime, the 161718 ideally to do one day, one another day. All right. Ms. Xston. At our previous meeting we had talked about some kind of in person opportunity if we decided that that's not wise anymore how we theoretically if we wanted to, I mean we could do the the 19th and the 20th in person if we want to we can, we could do those over zoom and then and then meet on the 24th and decide that we want to meet them in person I don't know I mean it's a good point. Yeah, I'm not sure. So, discussion about that Mr. Heiner. In the past when we've had candidates for positions, they would come about a half hour early have supper. They'd be a little socializing and stuff like that. It was open to anyone that wanted to come. I don't know whether. I mean, we do rotary meetings the first 20 minutes of socializing and getting. We want to do the first 1015 minutes like that just high Hawaii how many kids you got where you live. Right, so the challenge I think is is that what we need in order to do this right because of the requests from the Department of Health, as well as as you know, advisories around gathering size etc. It can be the seven of us plus a candidate which is fine we're well within parameters we can do that in the school committee room without difficulty. But the issue is is that it all needs to be a public, it all needs to be public, right, but we can't physically have the public in the room. Because that wouldn't be safe for them and we so anyway, the way that you do this apparently is that you know we would still be doing it. I would work with ACMI to set it up so that it was still available to the public to view and watch in real time. But we can't, we can't have it open to them to come to the sixth floor. Mr. This is what I would suggest I and I faced this sort of my day job is. I think the interviews are going to work best. If we're on a screen without a mask interviewing the person I actually think it's going to be more intimate. The other face to face is, is for all of us who have to take a vote and make a hire individually to get a, you know, this I don't want to feel for the person you know where they like so I think that is something if it can be arranged I would not do it in a formal meeting. If it's possible to have some sort of a social interaction. I don't know I think we need to think about that. It could be in my own experience it's been like a tour a walk around facilities, where I talked to the person and get a feel. It could be, you know, a red gym, gathering where there's plenty of room and there's, you know, we could walk around I don't know, but I don't I would not do the formal interviews at all and any other venue, but this, because we're going to be much more comfortable without our masks it's much more natural it's actually more intimate in some respects because you're very close to the candidate. So there should be some social interaction allowed and I know what it looks like yet, in which we get to be with each of the candidates for an hour, not in a formal interview but or half an hour whatever it is where there's just a, you pick up your own vibe. That's what I would suggest. I agree. So I think bring your best ideas on this on the 12th. And then we get right well I mean, because that's kind of our next chance to talk about it and we can if we can we can pin down our, our interview times. We can hold the 24th, but we don't, we, we may not feel comfortable making a decision at that time we may want to meet and have a conversation and then say what are our next steps. Right. I mean, I don't, we definitely don't want to get, I certainly don't want to get pushed into a decision by a calendar. Right. But we still want to keep, we want to keep moving Mr. Carter and I saw your hand up. Oh, I was, I was going to actually see if we could consult with with council about different opportunities to do this without having it being a public meeting. I mean, those dinners that we did that people are talking about those weren't broadcast or anything. Maybe they were posted and people could come but you know, you know, if we could each like a two or two of us at a time for example could take a walk around the track with a candidate or something. I don't know I'm just running out of ideas where just a couple of us at a time would meet. We wouldn't be a quorum. So maybe something just to ask the council about that. I will take that. I will take that on. When we had those dinners, they were posted public meetings and if somebody wanted to go and sit on the side and watch us talk and eat dinner with these people, they were able to do that. They were able to question us to try to do an end run around the open meeting while whatever this is, it would need to be posted. But I would certainly listen to council and regarding how we can construct a more social environment. Dr. Allison Ampe. I just point out that given the way COVID has been going lately, we may not have all options available to us. So when you think about what you want to do, we should probably be thinking of different option if we can do this, if not we do that, things like that. Mr. Heiner. I would just like to follow up with respecting the candidates position as far as COVID as well. They may choose not to want to be around us being in a healthy position to take on the job. Anybody else. Mr. Thielman. Yeah. Everybody's wrestling with the same thing. What some organizations have done is after students have left the building. They, they arranged for candidates for leadership positions to have a social of some sort, a gym, coffee bagels, lots of distance, brief hello, that sort of thing. I don't know. I just run it by different people. It's, it's a, it's it would be nice to have because this is a big hire and Arlington has a history of having superintendent stay for a decade or more. So we got to think longer term. Anything else. Questions, comments, concerns. Mr. Cardin. So I also wanted to talk about the virtual site visit visits. And how do you envision doing those, that's something that you would do with Mr. Kutcher or, or what. That remains to be seen when we've done real site visits. We took a couple of, we put a couple of people in the car and actually did a site visit. In this case, it could be the, it could be me and Mr. Kutcher could be me and the members of the process committee. It would not want. Yeah, I mean, we'll have to figure that out, depending on what we feel we need to learn. When we hired Nate Levinson, we had four finalists and we only did two site visits to our top two candidates. So once we hear the candidates, then we'll decide what level of additional information we think we need going forward. If we are totally on board with one candidate over the other. There's really no reason for us to traipse around through their lives if we're more undecided that then certainly more discovery would be appropriate. It's possible to make a motion that we select one candidate or the other pending a site visit. And that's a possible motion that could be without generally that we hold that you know that we have the 24th, right, because we're not going to we're not going to make any moves until we do the 19th and the 20th. Right. And then the next conceivable time we could all get together because of town meeting is the 24th. We will come together on the 24th. We will see where we're at. Right. Knowing that we're going into the Thanksgiving holiday. And you know, we'll come together on the 24th and, you know, kind of, I mean, we're just going to have to take the pulse of where people are at at that point. Right. I think it's really hard to predict because four of us have never, you know, we've not met any of the candidates. Right. So, so I think, you know, it's hard to, it's hard to know but I think if we if we practice some defensive you know, we've got some time. Then it means that we don't, you know, we don't sort of get stymied in in decision or not being able to meet so we can't move forward. And, and then we kind of go from there I mean certainly. You know, we're looking to, you know, keep moving after Thanksgiving, obviously. But, you know, I think having the having those three gives us some structure. So we know, we know where we're at. Okay, I'm out by. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, I don't see I think in terms of, you know, queuing the community. I mean, who knows, right, but I, I'm not sure that on the 24th, we're going to be making a decision to hire somebody. But, you know, you know, I think, well, we'll see where we're at at that point. Right. So bring all of your ideas on the 12th for additional events, activities, etc. And I'm not involved in goals. Also, I would, I would encourage the chair to get some guidance from the superintendent and other people inside the district so they might they have a better feel for the building and so you're going to get I'd like to know what they think in terms of how could we possibly do this. There might be a solution. Yeah. I know that the public school administration has put together these kind of events when they were hiring principals so we should be able to follow that template for that part, plus adding an additional community meeting and the components we need so that by by MISC interacting. We can, I would urge everyone to call Glencoucher and have a conversation about what you're thinking about process going forward, just to touch base, because he is an integral part of this and we're paying him to make proposals to us we're brainstorming about what he's done this before, and he's been through a bunch of searches under COVID, and I'm sure he'd appreciate just having that casual Q&A is, is to what, what you're thinking so please call him. Go to us by Karen please. Yeah, it's also on the website is email and phone numbers on the website so it's. Send it to us anyway, Paul. Yeah. Mr. Cardin. Yeah, I know I was just gonna, I mean, this is something I can ask Glenn about I do think we need to do some background checking before we have our interviews with them. Just to make sure there's nothing that we want to ask them about from the background so I'll ask Glenn how, how he typically does that. Great. Yeah. Okay. I think we're in a good place. Anybody else. I was just going to ask if the chair went entertain a motion to adjourn. I would get a second. I second the motion. Fantastic. Does anybody want to talk about it. You can't motion to adjourn is not debatable. Maybe. All right. All right, Ms. Exton. Yes. Mr. Cardin. Yes. Mr. Thielman. Yes. Sorry, Mr. Schlickman. Yes. Okay. Thank you very much. Thanks guys. Thank you. Nice job, Paul and team. Great job. Thank you.