 Okay, we're alive. Hey. And Jashana's running a little bit late, which will be joining us in a second. So we didn't lie, Jashana will be here. Yeah. So this is my channel, so you hopefully know who I am. I'm not going to introduce myself, but Jesse, would you like to introduce yourself? Sure. I'm Jesse from Channy. Channy, channel Jesse May, and I talk about fantasy books and all sorts of genres actually. So yeah, that's me. I never know how to introduce myself. Me neither. I always hope when I ask other people to do it, I'll take notes for what they say. How is this done? What is the elevator pitch for yourself as a human? That's right. So yeah, this is basically what I said in my wrap-up video where I said we were doing this, that we were just like, watch the trailer. We were like, we want to read the books now. Yeah, because I, yes, the trailer, when that dropped and everyone was reacting to it, all I wanted was to be back in the Christian verse. So awesome. So I'm super excited that we're doing this. Yeah, me too. And I kept thinking that I was like, I don't know if I'll be able to squeeze in a reread before it drops. Well, whatever, I know I've read them. And then seeing that trailer, I was like, we're squeezing it in. It's happening. I never do rereads. I need to get better about rereading old favorites. And for some reason, I don't know why I don't, because I had so much fun rereading it. And it's so quick. Once you've read it once, it's so easy to reread stuff. Especially with older YA that was shorter and quicker. Yes. Yeah, when I got through this, two sittings, it was so easy. I remember actually reading this, it was kind of like when I first started going back and watching Disney movies when I was older. And I was like, wow, they just fell in love during a song. I don't remember this moving along so quickly. Yeah, I guess we'll get into it. But there was so much from this book that I thought had come in sequel. And I was just shocked that we were already there by the end of this book. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, would you like to give us the elevator pitch for your channel? Oh, yeah. Briefly. Oh, yes. Hello. It is just Shana is my channel name also. And I talk about mostly fantasy, but also sometimes some historical fiction and like romance stuff here and there. There we go. There we go. And we are all big for all of us. The Shadow and Bonus are reread. Yes. Yeah, definitely. So we're all fans of that. Yeah. Yeah. So we were just saying how like rereading it was like faster than we remembered the first time. Yes. Like I was like shocked when I started reading. I was like, dang, I'm going through this like pretty quickly because I feel like I'm typically kind of a slower reader, but yeah. Yeah. And are we like starting off spoiler free or are we like good to get a spoiler? Do you want to start spoiler? I just, I kind of feel like it's been out for forever and it's a reread. Like. Spoilers incoming. Yeah. I think that's fair. It's also the first book in a series. It's not going to be as spoilery as the second or third book in a series. True. So. Yes. But I was going to say like I, I did not remember all of the stuff with her and Mal in the woods being in this book. I don't know why my mind that was in Siege and store. Like all of those scenes. I kind of did too. Oh, we're already here. I remember feeling like when she like gets reunited with him. I remember it being a longer period of time where I was like, oh, I wish she patched things up because like this was a miscommunication. Like after he like sees her with the darkling and is like, oh, I guess you can find this whole time it leaves. I remember like after that just being like, oh, I wish they could explain things to each other. And then like this reread, I was like, they explained things to each other like two pages later. It was like. Any time. I don't know why I thought when I first read it. And I first read it like six years ago. It was like a while ago. And I thought for some reason, like there were way more scenes of her in the darkling, like they're like little fling things. I think there are more in season storm. Okay. I was like reading it being like, why does she even think about him more than like, oh, he's darkling like being like, oh, we have something, but we don't like you really don't though. I was talking to you like a handful of times and randomly kicked you once when we were reading this, like, and we were like, why did we hate Mal? And I'm like, I still always loved Mal, but I remember them like being once again at odds at some point with him like secretly bare knuckle boxing somewhere or something like that. And I feel like at that point in time, she's also more with the darkling again. So like, I think we go, we retrogress where there's split again. And she's with the darkling again. Okay. Yeah. And I don't remember the second book like at all. Yeah. And I see someone asking if this is going to be a spoiler. Oh yeah. I was going to say like, we're going to try. I mean, I don't like, don't remember anything. I don't either. So I can't, I can't spoil anything because I don't know. So I'm so long. I'm curious like, I, because I, I thought like half the stuff in this book was in the next book. So yeah, I don't remember the plot really at all. I just, I do remember being excited to read the next one because like, I pick, I mean, I read these like three years ago, I think, but by then I had most of my knowledge of these books was just based on what has like merged. And so like 99% of the merge that was related to the series was just Nikolai. And after reading the first book, I was like, yeah, yeah. Nikolai. So I was like, oh, he comes into it in book two. And I'm like, okay, he's the one that literally all of the merchants, because apparently no one cares about Alina or Mal. And they're like, show me this Nikolai fella. Who's this guy? I agree with, I'm so sorry. Urza, Urza that she should have stayed single. I mean, same vibes at least for now. For now, this is how I feel. I don't know how I'll feel once I reread the other two, but yeah, that's how I felt with the Hunger Games too. I'm like, could Katniss have just like been by her solo, maybe and like, Yeah, I'm feeling like that with this. Cause yeah, I, I'm still, I'm waiting. It's gotta be in the later books. Jesse, I remember we were talking about like, there being a moment where we were like, Mal's the worst. And I can't remember what it was or what happens, but I just remember there being a scene where I'm like, this guy. Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. No, I'm so curious to get there and see if I still feel the same way. Cause yeah, it was like 2015 when I read these for the first time. So yeah, I am curious to see if cause like, I loved Malina for the, like throughout for like the first time I read it. And now I'm curious, maybe I'll change my mind. Maybe you guys will be like, you know what, maybe Mal's okay. And I'll be like, I don't remember Mal being the worst, but he's the worst. Time will tell. Yeah. Because I will say like, like when I finished this book, I was like, okay, yeah, Mal. I was like, all right, I can see it. But, but I, yeah, just showing like you're saying there, there's something else that comes up. I'm still not even convinced on Mal from this book. I'm just like, he's, but he's whatever. I just don't like, I don't mind a childhood best friend who becomes your love interest. I don't mind that. Sometimes that works really well. I've written something with that trope in it. But like, I don't, I just, I feel like it's the dynamic of one of them being like having the crush and one of them being like totally oblivious to it until something happened. It's like, again, the Hunger Games Gale and Katniss, like until she's like in the arena about to die. And then like showing interest in this other guy, that's when he's like, wait a minute, she's mine. I love her. Like you, you never showed interest before ever. And I just don't like that like ownership vibe of like, I have the right to be the one that is with her just because I've been here all the time. Like, no, I don't, haven't you heard that passenger song? I only know you love her when you let her go. Yeah. I don't like it. Like sucks to suck, buddy. You lost your chance. That's how I feel. So I'm curious, did y'all, this is the first time you're rereading it, right? For both of you. First time rereading it. First time rereading. Yeah. It is. Yeah. Okay. Did you like it more or less than the first time you read it? I don't know. I can't remember what I rated it before. I think I rated it the same, but I feel like, well, like what we're just saying, like everything feels a lot faster. So like to me, I felt like I was reading and like, still liking it the same, but feeling like this is too fast. Like I do wish it was longer. And like we took a little more time to like, get to feel, get a feel for the RME and then get a feel for what it's like in Ravka, like in the, or in a Salta and get a feel for things as opposed to just like moving along to the next thing. Like it's a kids movie. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't get as connected. I think like as invested as I may have the first time. Yeah. Yeah. Plus again, you know, I was, I was very, like this time I know what it's about, but the first time, because I had heard so much about the Grisha books, and I'd already read Six of Crows and Curriculum. So like for me, it was, I was very curious. Like, so I remember just feeling just kind of like, let's see what all this is about and be like, Oh, okay. So this is the darkling that I've heard all these things about. What's his deal? I mean, like, where is Nikolai? Where's this Nikolai? I was like very that. And now I'm like, I don't know what this is going to be. So like, Yes. Yeah. And I'm like trying to put myself back in the mindset six years ago when I first read it. And I hadn't read like really any adult fantasy books at that point. Yeah. And this, I was like very much just getting like started reading again. And it was kind of like, I was starting with like YA fantasy. And I think having that as kind of the foundation of where I was starting from just, just reading YA fantasy, I was like, Oh my God, this is so fantastic. Like I thought the world building was super effective and the character development. I was like, Oh, hooked. And now I'm like, Whoa. Like, like you were saying, it goes so fast. And I think it's because I've now started reading adult fantasy primarily. And it's like such a contrast. It was really fast. It was really fast, but I still really loved it. Yeah. I still had a good time with it. I still enjoyed the story. Like I almost felt relieved that it went by so fast because like I hate when characters have miscommunication be the thing that's between them. And like, I just, it drives me nuts. And like, but in a way that's like, it's not like secondhand embarrassment or cringe, but it's kind of like that where it just, it makes me so anxious that I'm just like, Oh, you would just talk to each other. Oh, why do you think this? It's not true. And like the fact that this went by so much faster than I remember it going, I was just like, Oh, can we resolve it? All right. Thank God that didn't go on for too long. I would have been very annoyed. I think the first time I read it, I gave it four stars, but this time I think I gave it three. Like just three. I'm pretty sure if I remember correctly. Yeah. Yeah. It went by pretty quickly, which was fine. And yeah, it's, I'm the same. We're like when I read this, I wasn't on booktube and I was mostly read, I was reading like either literary fiction or like young adult fantasy. I wasn't reading adult. I wasn't reading adult fantasy though, really at all. So I got pretty seriously. He was like, wait a minute. No dude. Yeah. I think that when I first read it, I just like got more invested in it. And this time around I was like, I'm not quite as invested, but it was like a fun time. I still like, I still enjoyed it. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. It's like not like an all time favorite, but it was still like such a bust. I really like the world. And I really like Alina. Like what did you guys think of Alina in this book? Cause I feel Alina get a lot of like hate, but I think she acts her age. Like I'm like trying to put myself in her shoes as like a 16 year old, right? Cause she's like 16 in this book. I think so. Yeah. She's like 16 or 18 or something like that. Somewhere in there. We were kind of talking about this like in our chat when we were reading and like, I personally feel like a lot of the things that Mal gets blamed for is actually more just to do with how Malina perceives Mal because like, she's the one that constantly like, when there are kids that she's like, oh, they only want to be friends with me cause they want Mal. And they only pay attention to me cause they want Mal. And Mal never looked at me twice. And I'm like, he's been the whole time being like, where are you at? And like, I want to show you a thing. I missed you and like, let's hang out. And like, I came and found you and like, yeah, it's always you and me, you and me forever. And he's always saying stuff like that. She's like, I wish he'd see me. And I'm like, you're the one that's like being, and so then later when you like just like leave and apparently are living your best life. And Mal's like, okay. Like we were tight and we were buddies. And now you're just like a sun princess and you've got no use for me now. Okay. Well, screw you. I kind of get where Mal's coming from. I'd be like, I'm shopping for her now. Cool. Yeah, I feel like my thing is just like, it's such a personal thing where like, I just, it frustrates me because I'm like, it's the same thing with like miscommunication. Like I'm so aggressively not like that. I know it's realistic for some people to be like that. And like for Alina, she's pretty insecure. She's like, he can't possibly like me. Even though it's like, girl, it's kind of obvious that he's kind of like, like he might be interested. You should maybe explore that. But like I just, I would be like, hey man, I like you. So it's like frustrating for me to have her be like, I'm just such a plain Jane. He wouldn't ever look at me when off his other girls. And I'm like, did you even ask him? That's her fault, not Mal's fault. No, I'm not talking about her. No, I'm talking about her. I'm saying how I felt about her. Like I feel like it's annoying, but I get it. Like she's just, she's insecure, you know? Yeah. It's like one of those situations where like, I think the character of Alina was well written. It's like, whether or not, Joshana, like you're saying. I like her. She's kind of like me, though. Like it's like, do you relate to her? Or are you like, this is not how I do things. Yeah. And I feel like I probably relate to her. But yeah. I feel like I would, I would relate to her too, which is why like I understand why she feels that way about even if Mal is actually showing like interest and positivity. Like I understand why she's like, but he doesn't actually want me. And like at the same time, that's why I also never blamed Mal for like how he behaved. Cause I was just like, I know that would be like, I was always the one pushing people away. But that was my fault, not his fault. Yeah, that's true. I don't, I don't really like that either. At least at this point, I can't remember how I felt later, but in this book, like, like we were saying, I didn't feel like there was any development there, like any, like deeper. It was all very superficial. Like he's the darkling. Ew. And like we talked literally like three times and then he randomly kissed me and like I felt things. But like also you've like never really done that that much before, you know what I mean? Like she said that she'd kissed guys before, but probably like barely or something. I don't know. So it just was like, I didn't feel like it was developed very well for me to care about whether or not they were together or not. And then like dark Lena to me means people who ship it. Like I don't. Yeah. I don't think I do at this point. I don't know if I will later cause I can't remember if I did. I don't feel like I did. I feel like when I finished the trilogy, I was like, she should just be by herself. But we'll see once I get to the ending this time. Yeah. With the darkling cause I remember loving the darkling and I still like the darkling. But when I'm like, when I say like I'm like team darkling, I don't necessarily mean like I ship Alina and the darkling together. I just really like the darkling as the antagonist of the story because I like when kind of what we were talking about in our, in our chat before this, I like when the main protagonist who's the hero kind of has those like, I don't know, like moral. What am I, what am I trying to say? There's like just conundrum. Conundrum's decisions. Like, and kind of like go towards like the dark side a little bit. Like I like that exploring that with a main character who's your hero. And so I like that the darkling kind of does that for Alina. Oh, yeah. But I don't actually want them together. Yeah. So like, yeah, when I first read it, I was like, I think the darkling is really well written. And I think the way it's written, I'm absolutely 100% fine with. It's just the people who are like, I should have ended up with the darkling. Oh, no, no, no. The fact that he represents temptation, like he's written as this complex villain who's like morally gray kind of cause like he says stuff where you're like, I, you're not maybe wrong. Like, I mean, or it's just like you've kind of taken it to an extreme. That's bad. But like, you're saying a lot of things that like, you know, make me question, am I on the side of right? Like, I think he's well written. And I like that he represents temptation for her. But I at no point thought that they just end up together. He literally like put a collar on her. No bueno. Dude, okay. I have a question actually. And maybe it gets explained in the later books. And I just can't remember. But when I was, when we were reading this, I was like, okay, so the fold, right? The shadow fold. It's the big bad thing that it's so hard to go across because of the Volcra, right? Like cause there are these evil monsters in there. And like the darklings plan to protect them is to expand the shadow fold to like basically envelop their country, right? Like that's what he wants to do. So the other people will stay out. But he also wants to do away with the Volcra. So I'm like, okay, so then it's just like a dark spot on the land. Why would that keep people away? Did I miss something entirely? I think what he wants to do is he wants to use the shadow fold. He like wants to expand it only in certain areas though. And he, he can't at the moment because of the Volcra. And if, but I don't think he cares about making more Volcra. I think he just in order to expand it has to get in it. Yeah. And do it from. And then once he's in it and the Volcra are gone, is he going to like have there? I don't think he wants to, I think he's saying he wants to get rid of the Volcra. Like that's what he says is PR, but I don't think he wants to get rid of them. He just needs to keep them at bay from himself. So he keeps Alina next to him as his little torch to keep them away from him so that he can go into the shadow fold and not die and expand it. Cause the whole time I'm like, all right, so we're going to do away with the monsters in here. And then it's just going to be a dark. Ooh, I'm in the dark now. I can't positively cross this. And I was like, this makes no sense. We're going to expand the goth zone. Yeah. I was like, we would have to like come across it pretty easy. We'll just have a light. Like what? I was like, I'm missing something here. I'm like thinking too hard about it. Probably. I don't know. Yeah. So actually, okay. I'm curious about this as well. Cause like I say, Genia. Okay. Yeah. In my head, I think it's Genia. Okay. Cause I think we three are unique in that because I've heard a lot of people say Genia and I'm like, Oh no. I always thought Genia. Yeah. I don't know if that's right, but. I guess we'll see also in the show how they say it. Oh yeah. I also did not remember like there were a couple side characters that I did remember, but not really like Genia and Zoya were two that I didn't really remember from like the first book. Okay. Okay. And I, I loved Genia in this book and oh my God, Zoya sucks in this book. Yeah. She's the worst. Who is Genia? Okay. So we're all wrong. So Jade, you were right. Oh yeah. Terribly wrong. Terribly wrong. So I don't, okay. This comment about audio book. I don't trust audio book pronunciations necessarily because I listened to the fricking game of thrones, the first book, audio book, and they say petter, balish. They kept saying petter, petter. And I was like, who is petter? Well, it could also be that like George R Martin intended it to be petter, but then the show runners were like, we cannot have him be called petter. He will. Maybe. Maybe that's another name. They said weird too. That I was like, what are these name pronunciations? But yeah, maybe the show. Like thing made me think of another thing, which was like I, when I first read it, hadn't it right before that the bear and the nightingale, which now I had just finished reading the girl in the tower, which is like, I think a lot more authentically Russian. And so like, I just like, I mean, it's not like when I first read the Russian books, I was like, oh, super authentically Russian. It's just that it's more, I have a more recent point of comparison where it is done kind of well and properly. So like, it's not just like a vague sense of like, well, I know it's not correct. But I have a very solid example of it being done correctly, like right before reading this. And I was just like, if they're not correct. Yeah. I also didn't know much about like those details and how accurate they were when I first read it. Yeah. And, and I feel like all, yeah, there, there was a great video I saw. I'll have to find the channel. Oh Lord. Do you guys watch the rest of development? No. Okay. Cause like they adopted this kid and he doesn't speak English and he keeps saying, oh, what is it? But he keeps, they call him by the thing he keeps saying, Anyang, he keeps saying Anyang and it means hello, but they call him Anyang. And so they just call him Anyang and every time they say Anyang, he goes Anyang because they're saying hello. And so then like at the end of the show, he finally like speaks English and they ask him his name and his name is hello. So stupid. Oh, that's funny. I was going to say though, if you're actually interested, there is a channel. I found her channel books and waffles. She had a whole video. She was Russian and she logged reading the Grisha trilogy kind of like point out like, oh, here's what's, here was what was done well versus this is not accurate. So it was interesting. So maybe you want to check it out. Yeah. Curious. Any of that when I first read it. Yeah. I didn't really think about it. I mean, I, I guess I probably didn't assume it was all like super accurate. The thing though would be like, if you found something that's inaccurate in the Grisha books, you'd be like, okay, but like it's clearly just like nodding to it and inspired by it as opposed to trying to depict it. Whereas if you found mistakes in something like the winter night trilogy, you'd be like, that's a mistake. Error. Yeah. Like it was trying harder to be more accurate. Yeah. So like the standard is higher. Whereas the Grisha books, you're like, well, what were you expecting? Yeah. Loose interpretation. Yes. I'm debating if when we're finished with this reread, if I want to reread Six of Crows and Cricket Kingdom, because I don't know if I do or not. So I read these in like 2015. And then I think I read Six of Crows when I started Booktube. So it was at least 2017. And I remember finishing that duology and thinking, I think I liked the trilogy better. But now I'm like, did I though? I agree. I'm the same exact way to shot it because I read Six of Crows and then I read the Grisha trilogy and then I read Crooked Kingdom. And I liked the Grisha trilogy more than Six of Crows. Yeah. Now I bet if I could reread it, I'd probably like Six of Crows more because I feel like that, I mean, the characters really don't act their age in Six of Crows. Can we be real? But I think that that would be like more fun to read again as older adults. I would just like to say that if people have problems with the Six of Crows characters acting their age, people better not be fans of the Song of Ice and Fire books in which Jon Snow is 14. Yes. Yeah. I rest my case. Yeah. Little kids. That's true. But yeah, I feel like it's like more mature because the characters act older. So maybe I will reread them. I just remember the plot being the plot of Six of Crows. It was like exhausting me. I just was like, oh my God. All right, we're on. It doesn't clip along like Shadow and Bone, but you're like, we just all of that in 300 pages. Yeah. It's more in-depth and complex and there's stuff going on over here and going on over here. And then we're just kidding. We're doing this other thing now. And I was just like, can we, oh my God, let's be done. I feel like if the Grisha books were either, possibly if they were adult, I feel like we would spend a whole first book where like the end of the first book is the Darkling taking her away to the Little Palace. And that's where it would end. Yeah. Because that's the shift that's occurred. It's like now she's going away from everything she's ever known. She might have a power, which we found out on page 500 of the first book. She's being taken away to the Little Palace. And then book two would be in the Little Palace where she spoke to with her finally being reunited with Mal and him hating her. And then book three, we were like, that's how we got into the world. We were just like, next page, next page. Yeah. Oh, that was a part that I was annoyed with Alina. And it's like a thing that happens with characters in different situations and different scenarios. When it's like, when they're in the friggin woods and they find the friggin stag and he's trying to control it, right? And she's like, but I can't. My soft angel heart. And I just don't like it because I'm like realistically, like this is potentially like fate of the world. Like stakes here. And definitely your freedom, like your freedom is at stake here at the very least at the worst, the fate of the world. And you're going to be like, oh, but my soft, gentle heart. And I just don't like it because I'm like, I feel like it's like tropes. I don't like where it's like the author trying to make me think in my head, what a nice person she is. I'm like, you can be nice and also do something really hard and crappy. And I'm like, just kind of just killed it. Well, I think the thing about it that annoys me isn't the Alina because she's young and like that actually having to do something like that, even when you know you have to. Like I could see her being just like, I just can't. But the thing that I don't like about it is that the narrative rewards that choice. I don't like that. I don't like that. I would prefer that maybe later she found a workaround. But she wouldn't have had to find that workaround if she had just done the thing and she regrets it and she's learned her lesson. Like that would have been a better way to do it. Instead of being like, oh, but her pure of heartness is actually rewarded in the end. I mean, that's the most fairy tale like part of this honestly. Very fairy tale. Like yes. I completely agree. Completely agree. It'll be okay. It'll be okay. It'll be okay. It'll be okay. It'll be okay. It'll be okay. It'll be okay. Oh. I feel like I don't want to because I've heard very good. It's not bad. I just feel like it's a step. It was like getting better at writing and then she took a step down again when she wrote that. Is there already a sequel for King of Sky? It's coming out this month. Okay. Am I making? Is that the wolves thing or something? Rule of Wolves. That's right. Some of our wolves out now. I'm very excited. So I'm curious because after I finished the book, I immediately rewatched the trailer. I watched it like 15 times, like no judgment. What do you guys think now that you've re-read the book, watching the trailer? Like, do you have time to change? I'm still just really curious how they're going to work in both series together. Like how that's going to come across and like... I feel like, I was trying to guess where they would fit into it. And I feel like when Mal and Alina escape, you know, sort of towards the end of this book and they're getting on a ship, that they would be taken to somewhere like Kerch where we would find Kaz and Yinej and Warlin and they would help them with like hiding and escaping until such time as they have to go back. Yeah, I wonder. Whoa. That's what I'm wondering if they're going to have them like interact or if it's going to be like two separate things that sort of maybe have like potential crossover in the future. But not yet, like I'm very, very curious. Well, you totally opened it up, the writers of the show, by saying like, this is not the most important adaptation. So I mean, they can really do whatever they want. It looks like they're sticking really close, at least with this first book, like some of the lines in the trailer. I'm like, that's literally from the book. When I was reading the book now, like when we got to those lines, like I could hear Ben Barnes in my head. I could hear the actress, Jesse May, something or other, you know, you, saying Alina. Okay, like when she's, I've heard, having seen the trailer now like 15 billion times, like as soon as I read the text that was like, I'm a map maker. So I was like, I can hear it in my head. It's like, it's her. Yes. We're going to change the world thing he says. And like that's literally like right in the book. Right there. And the whole ballroom scene, when they like present. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. It's the same exact. Yeah, I was shocked. That was the biggest surprise to me, was rereading the book, seeing how closely that trailer is following, at least like the first 30% of that book. Yeah. Cause I feel like that's also. But like, so the first time I saw the actor who was cast as an Al, I was like, that could not look more different from how he's described in the book. But now I'm so used to it, having seen him in like in so many like pictures and having seen the trailer a lot and having him scream, Alina. Like now when I was reading it, I kept like my brain kept like seeing like double vision cause I kept seeing him and then be like, no, he looks like a Hemsworth. Him. No, he looks like a Hemsworth. He looks like a Hemsworth. Oh my God. I'm still dying that Alan guessed that they were orphans just from the trailer. Oh my God. Hilarious. Oh my God. They're just as funny. They're orphans they are. Yeah. We got everything else super wrong, but yeah. Oh God, too funny. Okay. So like, how do you guys feel about Ben Barnes playing the Dark Link? I have mixed opinions. Oh, I love it. What else has he been? I don't know who I mean. He was since Caspian in the 90s. Well, I went to him in Westworld. I don't know if you guys have watched Westworld. Fantastic show. The first season of Westworld. And he was very villainous. Like he was like, not a good guy in that show. And so when he was cast as the Dark Link, I was like, oh my God, I see it. He also, he played Dorian Gray in the newer adaptation of Dorian Gray. I haven't seen that, but that, I haven't seen, I don't think I've seen him in anything. So like, I don't really have much opinion, but I think he looks like he looks the party. But I feel like, okay. So I feel like fans like back when these books came out thought that Ben Barnes would be a good Dark Link. At which time he would have looked at the right age to be the Dark Link. And I would have agreed then. But now like, and he wouldn't have been my first choice, but I would have been like, that's fine. My first choice for the Dark Link, the way I pictured him when I was reading it, and even now would have been Killian Murphy. And when they were doing the show, I was like, yeah, but it's too bad. Killian Murphy is too old now. And then they cast Ben Barnes. And I was like, well, if Ben Barnes can do it, then Killian Murphy can certainly do it. How old is he in real life? Ben Barnes is like 40. What? Yeah. Oh, I don't think he looks that old. I thought he looked like in his late 20s. I think technically he's like 38 or 39, but he's like 40. Yeah, I thought he looked like he was like in his late 20s. So I was like, well, I mean, cause I thought she was like 17 or 18. And doesn't she say he looks like a few years older than her? So I was imagining like in his early 20s probably. And I was like, well, I could, he could work, I guess, I don't know. He was actually middle. They also talk a lot about how like, like the paleness of his eyes. And Killian Murphy has that like boyish face with those really pale eyes. And the way he looked like in the Batman movie, like when he was still like younger, like peak darkling, perfect. Like boyish face of eternal villainy. I was like, he keep blinders. So I'm like, yeah, but Killian Murphy and I, you know, watch it. Yeah, she does talk about his, his frigging eyes a lot. What it, she keeps calling it sleep. Ben Barnes like, those eyes. That's true. Like gray something or other eyes, gray slate or whatever the crap she keeps calling it. Yeah. And also cause like, yeah, go ahead. I was gonna say, cause Killian Murphy has this like weirdly ethereal, like he could be like a thousand years old or 10 years old, hard to tell. Ben Barnes is too normal. Like he just, he looks handsome and normal. Yeah, that's true. I think that it seems like they're kind of aging up the characters a little bit for the show. And I think, I think it's gonna have a more mature tone. Cause this, I mean, the book does read pretty darn young. So I definitely think the show is gonna like age up and make it a little more mature. We'll match the tone of Six of Crows more. Yeah. Exactly. It seems like it for sure. Yeah. Fingers crossed. We've got another Peaky Blinders fan. Woo-hoo. It's the best. I need to try to watch that again. I watched the first like few episodes and like I liked it, but then I don't know why I just like stopped watching it. What's funny, cause like until we got actual, like until we got a casting, like I feel like me and I'm not the only one used like as a stand-in for Cass Breaker used gifts of Killian Murphy and Peaky Blinders as like alternate Cass Breaker. But if I was to cast him in the Grishaverse, he'd beat the Darkling, not Cass Breaker. Yeah. Who's the guy for Cass Breaker? I don't know. I don't know anything else. I think it's like, no, it's such disdain, you know? Some nobody saying. His name is Freddie Carter, isn't it? That sounds right. That does sound right. It's something Carter for sure. The casting, I feel like they did a pretty solid job with the cast. I mean, we'll see how like the acting goes, I guess, but as far as the little thing. You are being told by all, just Shana, that you need to watch Peaky Blinders. I did watch some of it, you know? It starts pretty slow. Like, I remember, yeah, I won't get on all into that, but yeah, I remember I did starting Carter. There was like a chick singing, right, in Peaky Blinders? Singing in a bar? Was that Peaky Blinders? Yeah. Yeah, like mesmerizing everybody with her like Irish song or whatever. OK. Yes. I'm not a man. You sound like Alan talking about Jenna now. Such disdain, like, oh, some girls singing. Like mesmerizing people or something. With the men leaning while they're listening. How dare they? Everyone's wearing black. Nobody's wearing black. I know it's just a black and white. I was going to say the one scene that made me angrier than any other scene in this book was the scene when Mal and Alina are reunited for the first time in the palace. And Mal is like, I don't want to talk to you. And she's so happy to see him. And he's just like pouty. He was just assuming so much. Like, he just was assuming he knew everything. And like she said, oh, I'm so sorry. I wasn't being tortured. Like, my bad. Dude, what? You're mad that I'm living OK. And I'm wearing nice clothes. Forgive me. It's like, yes. That's why I'm not with that one. But he does apologize for that when he's like, I reacted badly. Man, apologize for a lot of things. See, again, that's what I'm like. I don't really blame Val for in the moment. If he had doubled down and been like, I was correct to react that way. But because in the moment, after spending so long worrying and putting your life in limit risk, trying to thinking you need to save her, and turns out not only is she fine, she's super fine. And she's into another man. And he didn't get any letters. So he's like, she's literally forgotten about me. I wasn't worried about me at all. Like, OK. He's happy she's alive and well. And he can have his little complicated emotions when they have a conversation. But his initial reaction should have been joy at her thriving. Like, oh, my God, you're alive. I just I don't rubs me the wrong way. I just like the the overreaction like just irks me. And which means also like it read as like if she had just been just generally in the palace and just like generally fine, I don't think he would have reacted as strongly. But because he had already started developing a real hatred for the Darkling and to see her so chummy with the Darkling, it'd be like seeing like thinking someone's in danger and then seeing them like macking with Lord Voldemort. And you're like, oh, it's like that. OK. Good. Good bye. Ew, no, I'm just packing with Lord Voldemort. Oh, gross. Well, but then I think Rachel said something earlier in the chat about like then late, then he's like, I never want to see you wear black again. Like, gross, dude. You're so weird and possessive and controlling. No, like. And I mean, I'm probably because I don't think I felt that strongly about it the first time I read it. I I definitely have like personal life experiences now that make me just like really jump on that. Like, nope, that feels weird and possessive. And it's weird because I like alpha male romances, but that's like so fictionalized to me. So silly. Like I would never actually want that. And I don't like that Mal is like lauded as like he look at you should be with him. I'm like, no, he's kind of controlling though. I don't like it. And like pouty and childish. I just grumpy. I don't grumpy. Yeah, yeah. Just look at me. I don't like it. Honestly, like I super I like if there's anyone in the books that I identify with, it's Mal. So I'm very like I'm like, I would act exactly like he does. I'm like stop it. I'm not the worst. You're not. You are not. Yeah, Rachel just said, how do you go from BFF to possession? Boy stop. Exactly. Like there's no lead up. I just don't. That's what I like friend like childhood friends to lovers. When it's like a gradual like we start flirting together. We start. Oh, do we? I don't maybe. Okay. I don't we're flirting or whatever. Like in the Extraordinaries, I thought it was done really well where like they both clearly had crushes on each other. And it was so obvious to everyone else. And it was even really obvious to one of them. But the other one like was slower to get it. He also had like extreme ADHD. So that was like part of why he just was like all over the place all the time. But he was constantly thinking like, I think I love him. And like, wait, maybe does he? I don't maybe. And I like that kind of thing. I just don't like it like in the Hunger Games and in this when it's just like nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. We're best friends. We're best friends. And then I see you with someone else. And now all of a sudden, I'm angry with you because you should be with me. Like, why are you mad? I don't like when they get mad. I think it's like. Okay. Like not to defend Mal again, but I'm going to defend Mal again. But so like for me, like the Hunger Games example, I think is different because like it was Mal had like the moment she was gone. Like we didn't see it because we're in Alina's head. But the moment she was gone, he was like, I've lost her. And like that's when it switches for him as soon as she's gone. He's like, I miss her. I took her for granted. I just, I need her back. I didn't know like how much I relied on her. Like, oh, fuck, I need to do anything I need to do to get her back. And then after like doing all that and seeing her, he's like, oh, and she forgot I existed and is with Lord Voldemort. But that's a assumption. He was like, what did he want her to do? He was like crying. He wanted to show up and have her be like in the corner like. Mal's not like he like worried about her until he saw her with the darkling. It wasn't just seeing her with the darkling. That was just like the icing on his bitter cake where he was just like, fuck you. I don't mind that he like, I don't even mind that like it took her being gone to be like, oh shoot. I took her for granted. I don't mind that. I just don't like the anger that's shown up and being like, screw you because I'm assuming that you forgot about me because you look happy right now and it's been months. You're not allowed to be happy for the rest of your life because I'm not here. Like no dude, she's allowed to smile sometimes. She's allowed to wear a nice dress and like have an okay night. You know, I just. But also there are people on my team as well. There are. It's a very, it's the whole Mal and Alina. It's very divided. It always is. So Jesse, which team are you on? I have a little more on team Joshana for this one. I will say I do think that we are going to in the show that Mal's perspective when Alina gives and his perspective when he's hunting for the stag, which I think will justify if they keep the same reaction for Mal like they keep the scene the same when they reunite. I think it will justify that reaction more if we've seen Mal's perspective because just seeing Alina's in the book is very limiting. So of course, like it just reads so like, oh my god, grumpy Mal. I can't. But if we see Mal, maybe not at grumpy in his own perspective, then maybe, maybe, I don't know, maybe the show will change. Well, also I feel like, because again, like a lot of like we're predisposed to think kind of negatively about Mal because Malina's been like, he doesn't see me. And you're like, he, that's not true. He totally did. Yeah, I thought. And so like because like in the show, you don't, you can't hear her thoughts. It's just going to be them interacting and you make your own judgment. You'll see they're like really tight with each other and then she like leaves and he's freaking out and then like he sees her and you're like, oh, you're fine. Okay, great. I think the show might actually depict their relationship better than the book does since we're so limited in the book to just Alina's perspective. I think Alina won't be written as mealy mouthed and like nobody sees me. I'm just so ugly. I know I won't act like that either. I think that he can be redeemed for me in the show. But if he, if they have that scene and he, I don't care what he went through, how sad he was, if he shows up and he still pissed at her and assuming that she, like, I just don't like the concept of you have to be miserable always 100% of the time. Otherwise, obviously you forgot about me. I just don't. I agree. So I'll still be like, dude, no, if that's how they have him react, but maybe they'll change his reaction. Maybe it won't be so stupid. I do agree with you at this point. I feel like this takes, like, it makes it weird and like the opposite of romantic, but honestly, Mal's reaction very much reminds me of like if like a parent, like they went to pick up their kid from school and the kid isn't there. And then they're like calling everybody, worried about it and the neighborhood watches out and then like, oh, I just decided to walk home. Like I'm fine. I'm here. I'm eating cereal in the kitchen. And the mom's like, don't ever do that to me. What the fuck? And you're like, you're not mad that the kid's fine, but you're like, you're pumping through all of that. Yeah, but she got taken. So she didn't just walk home on her. She didn't make a choice. He knew she got taken. It's that same reaction of like, you've been so worried that like, seeing that like you're just like taking out your like frustration that you've been like so freaking out and you're like, and you feel a fool for having freaked out because they were clearly fine. And you're like, oh. You know, who could have put money on that this live show would turn into a mall discussion? I could have called that. It's so divisive. The mall thing is so divisive in this series. It is. But at least you can agree. I don't think anyone in this chat is a Brooklynian shipper because that I'm like, you have problems. That it's not. I was like, you like it's okay. You can not like mall, but if you're going to argue that the dark link is less toxic than now, I mean, I can't remember in, like I said, in the later books, but certainly in this first book, like I said, any relationship she had with him is like the most superficial, literally based in nothing other than like, oh, he's the dark link. He's handsome and mysterious and kind of scary. And he kissed me once. Like, no, there's nothing there. To even root for, really. Like, what? I mean, I guess there's like that thing that's like the magical like calls to like, that his darkness in her life, that she feels like physically, because he's an amplifier, you know. So there's that like, it's your body talking, not your brain, where it's like her, the magical version of pheromones, her Grisha power is like. And I also see how, like, she's very obviously insecure. And is exactly not like wrong with that at all. He's like very insecure in this book. Very much a teenager feels very out of place her whole life. Doesn't really feel like she belongs. And then the star, the startling shows up and he's not bad to look at. And he feels special and makes her feel like, oh, I could be something bigger and gives her all this potential. So I can see her being like attracted to that too. But yeah, in this book particularly, they, I don't think like it never seemed like they should end up together. You know what they didn't show in the trailer, but I'm really excited to see his Bagra. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Bagra. Yeah, I like had forgotten about Bagra. Yeah, me too. And I totally forgot about the twist in the book as I was reading it out. And then I got to that part and I was like, oh, that's right. Oh, I definitely remember that. I totally forgot. I mean, it's been like six years. So it's not. Yes, we have other Bagra fans. She's the the little the old. She's the Baba Yaga character. Yeah, like, okay. I don't super pay attention to how it's described, but this is how I envisioned it the first time I read it. And I didn't bother paying attention. I just went with how I pictured it before that there's like a palace where they all live and then like a little shed hut that's next to where she lives. That's exactly what I pictured. I'm like, why can't she live in the nice house with everybody else? So I just have this little shed that's like the tool shed next to the little palace. It's like, you know, it's like the in-law unit of a house. Yeah, the mother-in-law suite. Way extremely disparate accommodations inside. In this neck corner on the property. Respect your elders. Don't put them in the shed. Yeah. Okay. Now I have to look up who's playing her because I'm Oh, it's the actress. I don't remember her name, but she was, well, she's in a lot of British stuff. She plays Madame Hooch in the Harry Potter movies. The Quidditch Professor. Yeah. Oh, I like that. Okay. I can see that because I pictured her as like a little grumpy. Oh my gosh. That's awesome. I haven't seen like Genia, I guess it is. And like Zoya, who's playing them. I haven't seen. Yeah. Well, we saw Genia in the trailer. And she walks by really quick. Like she's just like dressed in really, it's like a brief glimpse of fancy people. And like, I'm also curious like where I start to like Zoya because in this book, she was not so nice. I feel like it's only in the third book that we start to like Zoya. Okay. Okay. I always like Zoya's name the best out of all them. Zoya. I feel like just such a Russian sounding name. This is good casting. I feel like she looks like the pretty girl. Yeah. Oh, for Genia? Now for Zoya. Oh, Zoya. Oh, yeah. Now I want to see. Well, there's also like the fact that the way she was written in the Grisha trilogy is different from how her ethnicity is like retconned the King of Scars. Oh, really? Oh, really? Yeah. Who's there? There's no reason to assume that she's anything but like a white basically Russian girl in the Grisha trilogy. But you find out that she's like half Suley, I think, in King of Scars. Yes. So they have to get somebody that looks mixed race. Yeah. She's I what, I don't know what like nationality she is. Her name is Sujaya Dasgupta. Oh, yeah. I totally can. Yes. But this is what I would picture. I feel like she's the girl playing Genia doesn't look how I thought, I guess. Okay. She looks pretty much how I would have pictured. Is that her? I don't know if this is her or if this is like some of the it's like a bunch of different actresses. So I'm like, which one is it? Because the one that I would like if I'm correct about which one it is, I'm kind of disappointed in how Nina looks. That's not how I would picture Nina. Oh, I think Genia looks good. I don't know. What's her name? Is this anyway? I think I'm getting all distracted looking at you. The casting, I think, was really well done for the show overall. Yeah, overall. Like I'm not like pissed about any of it. And then she's like, you know what's it? I'm like, okay. All right. I'll just have to get used to that. Yeah, I'm here. I'm super curious. And I like I wasn't super sold on like the cast and Jesper casting, but then seeing them like embody the roles, like their body language. I was like, okay, yeah, I'm on board with this. That Jesper wink in the trailer. Yeah. I didn't watch the trailer again because I've only watched it the one time. Yeah, you got a call. How do you resist? Sorry, guys. Yeah. So I mean, I feel like the first book was the one I remembered the most and I didn't even remember Baghra in it. So that's how much I remember. So I'm very curious to read the second and third book. Yeah, me too. Well, I mean, you remember, I'm sure you remember the first book and then plus Nikolai. Yes. I remember Nikolai, but I don't remember how they meet him. I don't remember. I don't know what I do, but I think we're not doing spoilers for books to win through. So yeah, luckily, remember. Yeah, only once. I'm sorry. So it's a terracy. But also I want to, are we getting more trailers before it drops? Because like, okay, I watched that 50 billion times now. I need a new one. Wasn't that called the teaser trailer? So I imagine it was quite long for a teaser trailer. There will be at least one. Which characters belong to the Six of Crows book? Oh, that's like Kaz, Jesper, Yened, Nina. Yeah, the only characters from Six of Crows that we're not going to see are Wylan. And like people who are like, the only main character is Wylan because they only meet him in Six of Crows. Whereas the others like have stuff going on already that you like is like their backstory. Right. Yeah. Oh, man. I'm so excited. I know. Like as soon as like Freddie Carter like flipped that cane into his other hand, I was like, okay, you could be Kaz. I'll allow it. I need to watch it when we're done. Okay. That's very good news. Okay. Yeah. I figured there would be. There would have to be. That's like, I didn't want to count on it. What do they usually do? Do two full trailers for Netflix shows? I don't know. For like the Umbrella Academy they have, I think. I never usually pay attention to trailers so they don't usually care that much. But now I'm like, how many do we get? Care about the Umbrella Academy. Also, do we know if they're dropping it all at once or if it's going to be like one week? Like every one of per week or something. I bet it's all at once. I bet it's all at once. I hope so. Do they do that very often on Netflix? The one week? I mean, not. I mean, in the past, they didn't, but I mean like a lot of like Amazon used to also just drop things immediately but they started with the boys doing it like one per week and then WandaVision has been one per week and Mandalorian has been one per week so Netflix might be like, oh, you might try that. I was like, no. I hope not. Yeah, I want to try that. They must binge. Yeah. I need to binge it. I think with TV shows, I want to be able to just like sit down and just watch it all and then be done. Yeah, with currently airing shows, I'm always behind and like trying not to look at spoilers because I'm like, no, I'm waiting until I have at least like 10 in the can so that I can like binge at will. Yeah. I'm excited. But so we did, we did like our reread. I loved it. I had a blast. I'm so excited to read the next one. I feel like I just kind of feel like I was like, I could just like dive right into season storm. I'm like, I should, I should wait. I remember the second one being my least favorite. It was like the one that dragged the most. So I'm curious, but that's the one drag the most. The second one, I think I remembered dragging the most, but I just don't remember what happens. So I remember just being super pumped to finally meet this Nikolai fella that like people just because I was like, it's finally happening. Yeah, I had no idea. I'm very curious. We shall see. Oh, okay. Well, maybe I'll like it more on the second. I remember thinking like of all the covers. I think I like that best because it's like, or the paperback one is like right teal. It looks like your sweaters. I remember that for the season storm live show. Yes. Too fun. Yeah. It was a positive reread. I rated it lower than the first time, but like I didn't dislike it or anything. I wasn't like, oh God, why did I like this? I am very curious if you are going to reread Six of Crows. If now you'll be like reversing your opinions. Like, yeah, maybe come down and yeah, maybe I feel like I will. I used to own. I owned Six of Crows. I had like, I think I pre-ordered it or something. I don't know. I had it and then I read Cricket Kingdom and then I unhauled both of them. So I don't own them now. I was like, I'm never going to read this again. I just didn't want to ever read again. So I got rid of it. Sorry. You never say no to it. Petrona, why are we, why are we friends? I don't know. Sorry. Oh, no. I need to say my car after Cricket Kingdom. That's my criteria for keeping books usually once I read them is like, do I see myself re-reading this? And if not, then I'm like, nah. And at the time I just was like, I don't think I'll ever reread this. I just don't care. I mean, to be fair, I unhauled Red Rising because I thought I would never read it again. And now I really, really want to read it again because I want to keep going on. So. We don't reread Rising. Just go right to Golden Sun. I don't have to. Okay, then I'll. Because there's anything you feel like you forgot and just ask me. Don't read it again. You just have to tell me the character rules. I only know Daro. You surely remember several. Nope. Okay. Well, yeah, I'll fill you in. Give you the cliff notes. Someone understands me. Yay, with six of crows. Thank you. Thank you, Bruno. Oh, Lord, I feel validated. Not the only one. Until you read it and you're like, what was I thinking? I think also to the hype at the time, it was like when it first came out and everybody's like, this is the best thing I've ever read. Oh my God. And like freaking out. And I was over here like, I mean, it's cool. See, for me, it was like, I'd never heard of Lee Barkugo or the Grishaverse. I just like six of crows was like, oh, a new bestseller. And I was like, I read this synopsis like, yeah, I could read that. So I like read it just like completely independently of anything else. Just being like, yeah, I really liked that. And then like read the second one. I was like, there's some cameos from Grisha characters, but I was like, who are those people? Like that was a weird little interlude. Like, like we got to cut that. That wouldn't have made a big difference. And then like find out that, oh, there's like a whole trilogy. And that was like a fun cameo. I was like, oh, and then like all the merch and like Nicola and everything else. Like I went into the Grisha trilogy being like, this is like hyped and there's like characters like the darkling I've heard of him. So there was a lot more like stuff in my brain going into the Grisha trilogy being like, let's find out. But Six of Crows will just meet in the book being like, yes, I like this. You have a troll. Mr. L. Very as fresh off his live screen coming in. Kaz Brecker is right here. No mourners, no funerals. Oh my God. I feel like I'm going to have to reread that duology when I'm done rereading this. Thank you. Just to see. But who knows? I might DNF it. We'll see. Well, maybe we can get it just on if you want to like body read and do a reread. Maybe we can get Alan to read it. Yes. Yes. He can get to know. I honestly think that if Alan like doesn't go into it determined to hate it, there's a good chance that he wouldn't hate the Six of Crows duology. Yeah, I don't know if he would hate it. I don't think he would hate it. I don't think he would hate it. He would hate it. I don't know. Kaz leaning. I love the open-mindedness, Alan. It's been your picture of punishments. Oh, I don't think you would hate it though. I don't know. Maybe you would. I thought you would hate Fireborn. So what do I know? I don't think there's any chance that he would like the Grisha trilogy. But I think Six of Crows is like solid chance he'd like. Yeah, he could have a decent time with it. Because it's honestly not as romance heavy as like the Grisha trilogy. Yeah. There's a lot of like a crime and a heist and the cavalry. Yeah, I'm telling you, he should be thrown a glass because he would hate it. But man, I just, I wish he didn't put so much romance so that Alan could read one of her books because he would love the freaking Here Comes the Cavalry. Six of Crows. That was a heist. The whole Alan with it. Has a very extensive long drawn out heist. Well, I was going to say like honestly like Six of Crows, people always like to lump together Six of Crows and the Gentleman Bastards. I don't think that's a good one to one. But I do think the first Mistborn book is more similar in the like getting the crew together and this like heist of a century like thing. I don't even remember a heist in Mistborn. Look at the heist. I don't remember that at all. The whole, the whole thing. Yeah. Oh my god. No, they don't rob a hot topic. Oh my god. I need, I need. Listen to us, Alan. We know you. Perhaps a Spencer's gift he said. I need a fan fiction of the Six of Crows characters robbing. Robbing hot. You remember that title and bone official Netflix merchandise will be probably hot topic. True. True. Oh my god. I love it, buddy. It'll sell out so fast that you will have to commit crimes to get it. I smell a fanfic. Oh my god. So funny. Under the surface. Oh lord. Too funny. Well, yay for successful reread. Yeah. I'm super pumped to read Season Storm. I'll find my Nikolai mug before then so that I can have it for the whole live show. Perfect. I got all this stuff. Super excited. Your channel, right, Jashana? Yeah. Yes. Let's tell the good people the date and time because we decided like today. What date again? I don't remember. The 28th. 28th. 28th at. Same time as this. So 2 p.m. PST, 4 p.m. CSG. Yeah. 5 p.m. Well, it'll be different. It'll be daylight. So 4 p.m. PST will be... Wait. Because I don't change. I'm in Arizona so I never change. So I don't remember. But you... Are you in... Then it'll be 2 p.m. PST and I will be PST then. Okay. Oh, you and I will match then. But part of the year is PST. Is PST. Part of the year it's MST. But we will be PST then. Okay. This time. All right. Okay. It's so... I don't know. I like... What? It's like time crimes. But yeah. Same time on my channel. But on a Sunday. It'll be Sunday the 28th. Yes. Very excited. Where apparently we will rediscover our loathing for Mal. We will be having an in-depth Mal discussion, I'm sure. That's all these live shows is going to be. It's just going to be like prosecuting now. And I, the defense, will win the day. Oh, I love it. No, by the end of it all, we could be like, Malina forever. And I'll be like, oh, fun now. I'm going to keep my mind open. It's possible. It is possible. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. Good to know. I definitely don't. Yep. Thank you because I don't know. I barely know when things like how to calculate PST. I always am like, I'm probably wrong. I Google it every time. Just this morning, I double checked, even though we'd already announced it. I had to go up. I was like, what time is it? I had to go on YouTube and like, check to see what it showed up as on the, in myself. It's what is time. It's a cultural construct. It really is. All right. Well, this was fun. It was. So we're going to get into talking with you guys. Yeah. Thanks for, thanks for this idea and for having us on your channel. Yeah. Oh, my pleasure. Yeah. So it'll be on to Shonda's channel on the 28th. Perfect. Everybody head to there. Yes. All right. Okay. Thanks, everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Thank you. It was sturdy.