 The NBA finals tip off tomorrow night. And that's awesome. But did you see the dunk that Wemby threw down yesterday? 22 days till the draft spurs fans. Run it back starts now. Good Wednesday morning. Wednesday is our Friday. Figure that out. And we are here to preview to bring enjoyment to your lives. We've got Travis Kelsey on. Thank you, Chandler. Let me introduce everyone right now. Shamsherani, a stadium insider, Chandler Parsons, Eddie Gonzalez. Guys, we are, we're in a perfect position right now because the final start tomorrow night gives us this entire hour today to preview. And you know, I love a good preview. Look, here's the deal. The Nuggets won both the regular season matchups. Do with that what you will. It's the very first finals ever for Denver, second four years for the heat. But we're going to start with a man who I think probably should be stressed out the most is BAM out of IO thinking about what is he going to do with the Yokech, Chandler. If you're BAM, how are you going into this? It's going to be tough. Obviously, there's no right answer to control to stop Nicola Yokech. He's been dominant for years now. He's an offensive juggernaut. But the only thing BAM really needs to do is he needs to be aggressive. He needs to get defensive rebounds and he needs to push the ball. He needs to get out on the break. He, they have to, Spolstra has to be creative in how they put him in different actions. They have to keep putting him in pick and roll. I don't even like, I don't even like BAM getting more touches on the post. I like him more on the perimeter using his versatility, facing up, playing downhill with him, setting multiple screens. They got to go from putting him in pick and roll with BAM. Then BAM setting pin downs for their shooters and kind of spacing him out. But they got to make him work on both ends. I know that's a lot easier said than done, but they have to exhaust him. They have to try and get him in foul trouble. And the biggest problem is if BAM is to get in foul trouble, I'm not sure where they go. Do they go Kevin Love? Do they go Zeller? They don't really have the bodies, the depth and the size to control him. So a lot of that pressure does fall on BAM. But again, there's no right answer. There's no blueprint to stop him, but BAM has to be aggressive. BAM has to, you know, match his productive somewhat offensively and just make him work. Try and tire him out. Try and keep him in every single action, even if he's not shooting the ball, setting screens, moving, slipping, everything, just keeping him on his toes. But it's going to be interesting, but he's got to take an onus to go at him to be aggressive and to not make this easy at all for Jokage. Yeah, look, that's the story of the series right there. What do they do with Jokage? And you can say, hey, they don't do anything. They just accept what he's going to give. But it's a problem you have to solve in some way, shape, or form. The issue for the heat is Jokage is a zone buster. He can post up at the nail. He can catch there against any of their defenders. And then it goes from there. They've tried zone a little bit against him this year. And he's broke it over and over again in different ways. He can catch there. He could force a post up against the outside of the zone. He can just bring the ball up, which then kind of destroys the zone as it is there. So they're going to have to probably match him and a man. They're going to play some Cody Zeller. They're going to do a little bit of what the Lakers did when they'll play a little bit of a smaller guy on him and then switch and go from there. But the truth is they have no answer. I think the other situation they need to figure out is Jamal Murray. And that is something they have a few more answers for but the heater are going to have to slow the series down. They're going to have to try to keep up with scoring. It's a tough series. But look, we've doubted them all play all as long and they figured out ways over and over and over. We'll see. But I'm expecting a huge series from Jokage. Yeah, I think that's the biggest obstacle. Jimmy Butler, though, playoff Jimmy. He has lived up to it by pretty much all accounts. He even went so far as to trademark the name. Himmi Butler. Brilliant, by the way. Himmi Buckets, y'all. Does he have enough left? I mean, we know how many games these guys have had to play to get where they are today. Is there enough left in the tank, Chandler? I mean, again, I'm not going to doubt this guy anymore. I'm not going to doubt this team. I do think they're heavy underdogs. I don't think they have enough to compete. Their bench is going to have to be really good. They're going to have to have guys like Caleb Martin that continue to play at a high level to match the production of the other guys on Denver. But you look at it seem like Denver, they just seem to be peeking. They seem to be playing the unbelievable at the right moment. They're fully healthy. A lot of guys are saying that they could be rusty with this time off. I think it's the opposite. I think they've had time to sit here and watch Miami play in this series against Boston. Really dissect them. They already beat them two times this year. Again, they're rested. They're fully healthy. Nobody's hurt. They got a full roster going into this series. They're confident. They've been the best team pretty much all year long, especially in the Western Conference. I think Jimmy Butler, again, hit him same thing with Bam. He's got to be aggressive. He's got to take the game to them. He's got to throw the first punch. He's got to be physical. You remember these things got a little chippy with the Morris, Twin, and Jokic, and Aaron Gordon, Kyle Lowry talking about each other. They're room numbers. There's some bad blood. There's some animosity. Again, the heat are not the team just to lay down. But we're talking about two different styles. We're talking about a bog it down, slow it down, physical defensive team in Miami, and a fast-paced, high-octane offense and the nugget. So something's got to give. I'm not a hero. Go ahead, Shoms. Jimmy and Miami, I mean, to me, they're on the same trajectory. In the regular season, they didn't shoot many threes. The heat were the lowest scoring team in the regular season. Now, suddenly, they're scoring and being competitive in these games, blowing out Boston on the road. And I think a lot of it is because of Jimmy. I mean, I don't know if he's tricking the league. The heat is a team or tricking the league, but he's shooting twice as many threes as he shot in the regular season. And they set the record for the most threes in the Eastern Conference finals. So I think Miami is in a position now where they've kind of snuck up on teams. Denver knows what they're going to be about. But I think everything Jimmy Buller has done this year. To finish it off with a championship, that would be massive for his legacy. I think the Tyler hero of it all, we've seen enough of the bucket hats. Is it finally time, Shoms? Are we going to get some Tyler hero in these finals? What's the status? Yeah, from what I'm told, the team definitely believes that there's a real chance that he's going to be able to return in this finals. He's doing more and more. He broke that hand in the very first game of this playoffs against the Bucks. And that he came out and said that he could return as soon as the finals. I think a lot of people laugh at it. You guys are probably going to lose in the first round. Like why are you announcing that he might return in the finals? But there's a real chance he returns. He's doing more and more. The one issue was last week when I was in Miami, I was told there was still swelling in that hand. So you got to let that subside. But we saw the other night, he's shooting much more on the court. Now it's just about getting his conditioning back, getting more in shape. They're not sure exactly which game, but the heat are optimistic that Tyler hero will be able to come back and give them a spark off the bench. I mean, Chandler, obviously, if you're the heat, you want as many of your weapons available as possible, right? But is there any concern when a guy comes back who's not been playing this entire time about chemistry issues? There is. And there's concerns for guys like Caleb Martin and Gabe Vincent that have now found something, right? Duncan Robinson back in the rotation, who was pretty much on the shelf for, you know, a better half of the full season. So when you get guys like this that are now kind of filling in and stepping in and showing the team that they can play and they've gotten to the finals without him. So there is a little level of concern, but I think the opposite. I think, you know, if you have a guy and a talent and offensive weapon, like Tyler hero that can play, even if it's for spot minutes, you still obviously bring them off the bench. You keep the same rotation. You don't fix what's not broken. You keep doing the same exact thing if you're the Miami heat. And but yeah, with Gabe Vincent's ankle and everyone banged up and then just going through an absolute dog fight in a seven game series. And I got a 20 point score on the bench that could play. And then my seasons on the line, I have a chance to win an NBA championship. For sure, I'm bringing him back and I'll work him in however I want. If I'm supposed to run, he's got the best situation and system to do that. But yeah, you don't not play Tyler hero just because Caleb Martin and Duncan Robinson are playing good without him in the lineup. That makes sense to me. Yeah, look, he presents some defensive issues, of course, but they absolutely need his scoring points. They need that secondary ball handler. They need somebody to ease the load for Jimmy Butler. They're no more on three point shooting team in the playoffs and they're adding another plus three point shooter. That's how they're going to have to keep up with the Denver Nuggets. Denver Nuggets has been far and away the best offense in the playoffs. They have the best offensive ratings scored the most points. They have the second best three point shooting offense in the playoffs. So you're going to need all the offensive points you can get in this series. They were playing seven guys essentially towards the end of that series. They took Kevin Love out of their rotation. They inserted Duncan Robinson to try to get best they could get out of that. And yeah, they need more bodies for sure. On the other side, the Nuggets, I mean, they essentially played seven in games four against the Lakers as well. So all the talk about depth, they're going with their seven and eight guys and they're going down with them shooting. But he will need all the offensive points they can get and Tyler Hero provides that sooner the better for him for sure. Anybody who's been watching, right, the last series is Caleb Martin. There's got to be another version of a Caleb Martin in this series. I mean, it might very well just be Caleb Martin again. Chandler, is it possible that he continues this streak of telling the world who he is in this next finals? I definitely think it's possible. And I think the Nuggets don't really have the best defensive DNA to stop someone like that. But I think it's unfair to put those expectations to expect him to average 20 points a game, right? He's a solid player. He's been unbelievable in the playoffs. He's versatile. He's long. He's knocking down shots. But I just think it's unrealistic expectations to go into the series thinking we're getting 20 a night from Caleb Martin. I don't think that's fair. And I don't think that's going to happen. I think he's shown us how good he can be and how productive he can be. And in that system in Miami where he can get out and transition, he can get to his mid range. He's got a little iso game he can play. And I think he's going to be a huge role in this game. But if I'm him, I'm going in this series just trying to match the production of Porter or of Gordon, whoever he's matched up with mostly in the game. And just don't change anything. Do what you do. Again, don't fix what's not broken. This guy's found success. He plays hard. He plays the right way. He doesn't really take bad shots. He knows his game. So I think he's going to be a key factor. But to expect him to be the western color of the finals MVP and be in that conversation, I think that's very fair. I mean, I think it's fair. I think we all expect Caleb Martin to be the MVP of this series or it's a disappointment. Shams, you have been the loudest voice in singing the praises of this nugget team all season long. Are they under more pressure than Miami? Miami's coming in hot. But are you giving this to Denver? I do think Denver is going into this series. I don't want to use the word pressure, but they're fully expecting that they're going to win this series. There's no doubt. But they've been feeling this way about themselves really all season. Ever since Calvin Booth took that job, the aura that he's had is one of confidence. And like they went out and they traded for Aaron Gordon a year and a half ago. They got KCP. They got Bruce Brown. They've made acquisitions in the last year or so to really beef up this team. And I do think they're seven, eight deep right now, but they could go even further in this rotation if they want to. So they're fully expecting that they win. And if they don't, I mean it will for sure be internally a disappointment for them. But Miami's an underdog for sure as they've been throughout this series. Denver is fully expecting to win this. The way Mike Malone talks, he sounds like he almost thinks he's an underdog too, but they should be confident. They should feel like the matchup favors them. And look, they've had a week off. They should feel healthy. They worked all season for this. I see a lot of people complaining about, hey, they play to eight seed and a seven seed and a six seed and then an eight seed. Well, that's what you get when you get the number one seed. That's what you earn when you do that. You get the benefit of the doubt. You get home court. These are the advantages you worked hard for all season. It's fine. They should feel confident. And I think they'll play like that. I think they'll start fast on their home court, like to have all playoffs. And they're going in feeling like this is their chance to validate all the thoughts that they've had for some time. Mike Malone has essentially said that, like, yo, we're winning. And the national story is the Lakers know, like, we've been the best team all year long. And this is their time to show it. This is the platform for them to elevate the Jamal Murray in the way that Sam Sharania does about the bubble to elevate the Nicolay Yokech or even the Bruce Brown off the bench, who has been incredible. And they've been waiting for this opportunity. They've been sitting back all week. This is their chance. And I think, look, I don't know if we're doing predictions just yet. But again, I expect them to start fast in game one and jump out to early lead in the series. Yeah. I mean, we'll see how the series goes. But honestly, you look at the depth that this team has, the roster Jamal Murray, Nicolay Yokech, Michael Porter Jr. Like this team has the ability, if they win this year, they have the ability to be the favorites going to next year. They have a runway of about three to five years after this year, if they want, this team stays together. We'll see what happens with the new CBA. But this is a team. And again, I've been on this for a while now. Like if Jamal Murray didn't get hurt, I really do believe this team had a chance to make it to the finals that year. And they would have been a team in the conversation every single year. And that just speaks to the greatness of Nicolay Yokech, Mike Malone. And just what that championship would do would give them a further runway, I think, for years to come. But for the record, let's not get it twisted. There's way more pressure on the nuggets than the heat. We're talking about a number one seed against a number eight seed. Arguably the best team in the Western Conference all year long against the play-in team, a team that's just swept LA Lakers against a team that just took seven games with the Boston Celtics. So the whole world isn't wrong for thinking they're a heavy favorite. But again, they're now faced up with a team that knows that as well, that it's going to be just as prepared as they are, that know the nuggets that watch their playoff games, that are watching what they're doing. And they're going to come ready to play too. So all that, that doesn't mean anything once that ball gets tipped up. And the Miami Heat is the perfect example. They don't care. They're the eight seed. No one expects them to win. They have zero already had a successful series this season. They've already outperformed everyone's expectations. They're going against this juggernaut that no one stopped. All the pressure is on the nuggets. Man, I'm starting to think that Miami Heat have a real shot here. What is going on? A challenge convinced me. Eddie Jokic or the field? Who's getting the MVP? Well, the field includes Jamal Murray, who I think has a real chance to win this award as well. I still go with Jokic is the favorite. I mean, his playstyle is so dominant in terms of pacing and just ball control. He's going to collect stats. We've seen him do it all playoff long, not in the stat pattern way. Like we were talking about during the regular season, but he's just been dominant with the ball and on the board and able to do that. So when we see 29, 14, 13 at the end of the series, it's going to be, you know, his to lose at that point. But I expect Jamal Murray to have a huge series as well. And going back to something Sam said, the roster construction of the nuggets is fascinating. Obviously they got Jokic in the second round. You get Michael Porter, who slips injury in the way he slipped in that draft, even the way they got Aaron Gordon trading away Gary Harris, somebody they believed they had a future for somebody they picked high on, they bet, they bet on. And then it's, so it's, it's the way they got there and then they've created a roster that they'll be able to maintain going forward. It's, it's kind of scary what they could be. They're younger than you probably realize as well. Yeah, this is their chance to kind of assert their dominance going forward in the league. Yeah, I would go A, Jokic, B, Murray just because they're heavy favorites. They're going to win, but for the heat to even win and to get a candidate, it's going to be Jimmy Butler, right? He's got to be the best player in the series. He's got to be absolutely dominant. He's got to do everything. He's got to do what he's been doing for the heat to pull this off. So he would, to me is the only option to win the MVP in the finals because for them to be in that chance and to have success against Nuggets, he's going to have to be great and they're going to have to be damn near perfect. But if I'm a betting man, I'm going to get you against the field. I think they have no answers for them. I think BAM is going to battle is going to be aggressive, but this guy's been doing it to every team, every system, every defense, every player. I don't think there's going to be, you know, any difference here. Did you say if you're a betting man, Chandler? If you're a betting man. Well, that's, that's what we're doing right now. All right, fair it up. Guys, we have a special treat. Chandler has some cool friends and joining us after the break. Two times Super Bowl champ Pro Bowl or Travis Kelsey. I want to talk hoops, but I really just want to get the scoop on Chandler. Travis joins us next when run it back returns. Oh yeah. Two times Super Bowl champ. Best tight end in the NFL. Travis Kelsey is here. Thank you. I know it's early. I don't care what time zone you're in. It's early and Chandler came through. Look, here's the deal, Travis. Chandler lives the life that all of us wish we could live and clearly you're in that lifestyle as well. All he does is play in golf tournaments and then go to the Cabo compound. You guys have been in some tournaments over the past few months, Vegas, Mexico. Is he even good at this whole golf thing? Because he doesn't really share details. Is he even good that live golf? Live golf is about to offer my guy contract, I'm sure. No, honestly, no funny story. We were, we actually were down in Cabo playing and the member guest down there and man, when I tell you Chan found a way to save my tail. I'm a, we went our fleet. We go to the championship rounds from about 80 yards out. I got a stick one closer, chained a putt one in and I threw one off a guy's knee in the grandstand and came back across the green about 40 yards and back into the fairway. When I tell you, my guys got ice in his veins. He dropped one with a putter, the old Texas wedge baby from about 40 yards into the fairway. He dropped one to about one foot and literally saved our tail in the championship round. So my dog, my dog's got it. My dog's got it. He's not just out here faking it. He's out here actually working. So Travis, they basically put us in the middle of 18th fairway, right? And Travis had 80 yards or something and we had to alternate shots. This man, the wind picks up the winds behind us. He just launches this. It goes in stands comes back. It was amazing. But now Travis was the best. We were a goddamn show ponies out there. I've never met someone that I've hit it off with like Travis. He's my guy. So thank you for coming off. Oh, I feel like I'm looking at twins. I mean, this really just feels like some sort of a 23 and me moment for everybody. Look, I have to ask though, better cell phone contacts between the two of you. Who is it? I mean, look at Sean. I'm trying to pretend like he's on assault. Get out of here. Who has the better? I'm trying to really see that they're twins. Like I had to get that shot. It might be some shots might have the hottest contacts, honestly. Well, how are we defining hot? I mean, I think we should sell right now. Yeah. By the way, you look like an angel with this filter. How do I get that? Just gonna blur out the back. Honestly, I did it one time. Don't know how to switch it back dog. So I'm just stuck with it now. Travis, you're playing in the match. You're playing against Steph Curry, Clay Thompson. You're winning that, right? Like where's your level of confidence at right now? Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, me and me and my god, Pat, my homes have never lost in Vegas. And that's that even dates back to a golf tournament that I met Chan at. And I tell you what, it's a Pat's gonna have to save me on a few shots, but there are gonna be some shots that I get close tonight. And I come through and hold my own weight. I'm interested to see what the dynamic is, you know, I'm I usually get a little competitive, start talking smack and everything like that. And I don't know if the baby face of sats and the clay Thompson like to like to yap a little bit. Well, I think clay clay gets after it a little bit. But we'll, we'll find out. We'll find out on TNT and I believe June 28, June 28, actually June 29. Sorry about that. We're gonna be watching. I know I know channel is going to be in the intersection. So I know you grew up a Cavs fan. They lost the Knicks in the playoffs. What do you see this team needs to do moving forward? Just they need to keep growing. I mean, it's I've been in a position like that you finally get a good group of like players together and you just got to find ways to win those big games and those key moments. So much focus is on like the playoffs in every single series County, just like in the playoffs and football, every single play counts. And it means everything. And I'll tell you what, man, I think I'm happy with what the Cavs got going right now. Obviously hate to see how they how they lost to the Knicks in the playoffs. But I know my guy down of a Mitchell in the gang has got everything carried, got everything covered over there including you. Trab, is it true that you cried when the Cavs won the championship in 2016? It was tears of happiness and a joy. I might have had a few cocktails, but it's always I've been a Cleveland sports fan my entire life, man. So when Brian, Kari, K-Love, and everybody brought one back for the city, I was in the crowd at the parade walking around in the in the in a hot Cleveland summer. And man, it was it was a beautiful thing to see. And I'll remember that day forever, man. No shame. Travis, I got a basketball question, too. I just have to confess I'm a Raiders fan. And like, why? Like, why do you hate us in the way you do? What do you have against us? I love Raiders fans, man. Every time I see you guys, we have a great time, man. It's always a bad scene. Yeah, I bet. No, honestly, I have a tremendous respect for not only the Raiders and the guys that I play against the Raiders, but that are on the Raiders. But I'll tell you what, the fan base, you guys don't hold back, man. I love every bit of the booze and the use socks during the game that makes that makes football and the environment that much more fun to play in, man. So I nothing but love and respect for the Raiders, man. But you know, it's war every time we play. Yeah, I had season tickets when they were in Oakland. I watched you give like your gloves or everything to these two fans in the end zone. And I was like, yeah, we're going to lose 30 today. Thanks. My basketball question. My basketball question is when the Cavs did lose to the Knicks, did you turn your allegiance then to LeBron? I know, you know, you've been rooting for him forever. Were you ready to see him win after that? You know it, man. I got so much love for LeBron and what he's been able to do, not only on the court, but off the court up in Northeast Ohio. He's changed the lives of a lot of people up there and provided a lot of smiles and a lot of happiness for a lot of families, man. And that being said, I wanted to see my guy go after another one and find a way with even another team that, you know, people might have speculated that he wouldn't be able to get this far with. I was, I was hoping he could just, you know, power through again. But unfortunately he ran into the Joker, man. That guy is throwing up madness right now. And it didn't come through. But yeah, it was, it was still an exciting, exciting run for him this year. And yeah, hopefully he can go and get another one next year. And I know LeBron's good on like he sends congratulations out to you on Twitter and all that. Is that, do you guys do like a text behind the scenes congrats? Is it mostly public Twitter? How does this work? Not so much. It's just, it's just over Twitter. You know, he's kind of been a friend from afar and just I've been able to recognize his career. And throughout these, these past couple of Super Bowl runs, he's been able to recognize mine. And it's, it's pretty cool just rooting for a guy from the same area as you. And yeah, it's always, it's always cool seeing, seeing the tweet come across. By the way, Twitter, we need to get the update on the ring emojis, because all they have is that engagement ring. And that really sort of takes it out of context. You recently threw out the first pitch at a Guardians game. We want to watch it all together. And we want to get your assessment on how you did. That's why your number's in the 80s. What happened here? It was, you know, those, the new baseballs actually have like more stick on them than I can't, I can't even, I can't even lie. I hadn't thrown a baseball and forever thought I'd be able to just go up there and wing it. And yeah, you got to go to practice, kids. You got to get there. You got to go to work. You got to get on a mound this year. I honestly, I got on the mound, I walked on the mound and I realized I was way too far away and that I just need to send it. I just was like, well, I'm here. So I might as well send it. I'm just glad I didn't, I'm just glad I didn't skip one in the St. Bieber space right there. Cause these are ACE over there. The stretching. I feel like the stretching really convinced me that we were about to see greatness. Let me ask you this. If they switch it to a ceremonial at bat, can you hit one out? That was my argument. That was my argument. Give me, give me a bat in my hands. I was never comfortable on the mound when I played baseball. All right. That was, that was one thing. I was either, I was either in the game to throw as fast, as hard as I can and just strike fear in the batter's box. Or I was, I was up there and just waste time. But I was way, way more comfortable in the box with a bat in my hands. So the ceremonial first hit is definitely more of my lane. Soon. Yeah. That is what people want to know. Are you the best tight end of all time? I'll leave that, I'll leave that out to all the, all the, all the smart people that, like you guys, I'll leave that up to you guys and all the critics. I'll tell you what, I have a blast doing what I do. And I know I've had a lot of success in this league and it's, it's just cool. And it's such an honor to be in the, in the talks with a lot of the greats that have played this game. And yeah, I'll leave that up to you guys on whether or not I'm the best. Translation, you're the best. The answer is yes. He is definitely. But trap, you played basketball in high school, you're athletic, arguably the great tight end of all time. If they threw you in an NBA game right now, could you get a bucking? What was the expectation? I'm, I'm, I'm hold, I'm, I'm playing my role and I'm getting some buckets. I'm getting some boards. I'm getting some fouls, 100% getting some fouls that will make you earn some buckets, Chan. Other than that though, I am, I don't know how much I can do on defense other than hack. Guys in the NBA, man, they got crazy moves right now to score in league. I'm glad they said that. I'm definitely getting a few buckets. No, I'm glad you said that because Chandler actually on K show a few weeks ago said that if he was in the NFL, he would get a touchdown if he was in one game. I have a hard time with this Travis. Is this even remotely possible? Can I, can I rebuttal? No, what do you rebuttal? It was your argument. Do I think I'm going to break off like a corner back and actually get? No, I said if I was on the one yard line, I could do a little quick slant. They get though. I'm six 10. I can't go get a jump ball for God's sake. No, we, we talked about this. We talked about this and I honestly, I'm kind of with Chan on this. I think it might be easier for Chan to get a touchdown that it is for me to get a bucket. But it's, um, yeah, I would say, I would say Chan could get a touchdown for sure, especially if you throw him on a one yard. I mean, you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised. The kind of athletes that have found their way in the end zone. All right. We know a few, we know a few bad guys that have been able to do it in years past. I'm sure Chan can find his way in there. That's right. I can't even picture this. Man, that stuff y'all running KC. That stuff y'all running KC, you could, you could get Chandler a nice fade or something. Like he can, I don't know what to say. I could see. This usually a touchy subject on both sides of the, of the lines here though, but what NBA players do you feel like could thrive in the NFL? Because a lot of them think they could. A lot of Dennis Smith was going to switch sports mid career. Like these guys think they can jump in your sport and do it. Yeah. I mean, there's a, there's probably a handful of guys with the toughness that I see on the court. Uh, guys like a Pat Beverly or a guy like, um, you know, Jimmy Butler, um, you know, Russell, Russell Rastbrook. I mean, you can't deny the guys athletic ability and just how aggressive and physical he is. Um, guys like that, somewhere around like that at six, three to six, six area. Um, I feel like once you get to like six, 10, you're, you're kind of limited to just running a slant on the goal line. Uh, but we'll see. I know LeBron. LeBron James, man. LeBron James. Yeah. No, I had to rethink that one. No, LeBron, I've seen that guy play in, uh, in high school. Um, and he was every bit as good on the football field as he was on the basketball court. Yeah. Also, how's that going for Dennis Smith? He just said that we haven't heard a peep about it. So I don't know. I don't know if that. Wow. So hateful. He must, he must, he must still be in the lab. He must still be in the lab. Uh, a few days ago, job, Shaq challenged you and Pat to a two game. Jack and Kenny, you and Pat Rods. Are we doubling Shaq in the post? Are you front in the post? How are we getting that done? I'm just, you know what it is, baby? We go in San Antonio, pop me this style. Hackershack, baby. We gon' min-shot guard these things up. Hey, honestly, he might take me, he might, he might throw me in the rim if I start just hanging on him a little bit. So I need to chill out. I don't want to poke that beast, man. I don't want to poke that guy. The idea of a two on two game and you making him shoot free throws would be two. So Travis, I think this is another big question. Who's the Travis Kelsey of the NBA a couple of years ago, a little while ago, Bobby Portis said it might be a prime Clay Thompson. Who do you, are you buying that? Who's your equivalent in the NBA? You know, it has to be someone a little unorthodox, somebody that's kind of got their own flavor to the game. I've been able to kind of, I don't know, create my own position, essentially. And that, obviously, I say I created it, but Andy Reed and the offense here in Kansas City has kind of been able to tweak the tight end position a little bit, as we all know. And it's just, I would say somebody with kind of their own flavor. Obviously, I want to name a big superstar, one of the best in the league. So I'm going to say like a James Harden or like a Luca Doncic. Maybe maybe someone like a Jokic who, you know, just has their own flavor to the game and kind of has their own rhythm to how they play it. And, you know, on top of that is just a great teammate and tries to try to do whatever he can to win. I love that. And just a great guy who saves puppies, like things like that. That's what you really want. All right. There's been a lot of talk now, especially now, as the Warriors dynasty is over. I don't know if that's true or not, but let's talk, first of all, is Casey a dynasty? Do you define it as such? And when it's all said and done, which duo will have more championships? You and Pat or Clay? Man, that's a good question. I would say, yeah, where the Kansas City has been a dynasty for quite a while, for quite a while now. And obviously, I'm biased to that. But I think that what Coach Reed has done since he's been here in terms of winning, in terms of the playoff runs and all the division championships and the AFC title appearances, then obviously the Super Bowls, we're 100% a dynasty. But when you put it up against what the Warriors have done, obviously, we don't have as many championships right now. So we got some work to do. We're on an uphill battle, especially when you talk about what the Warriors have been able to do. Unfortunately, I've seen quite a few daggers from the Golden State Warriors being a Cavs fan throughout my day. But yeah, Cavs in seven anyways. But I think at the end of the day, Patty Mahomes finds a way to overtake. What is it? They got four championships? Yep. Yep. Yeah. So I think Pat Mahomes is definitely going to find a way to get more than four championships. Hopefully, I'm still along for the run by the time he gets there. Oh, I can't imagine they break y'all up. That would be sad. Speaking of people they got broken up with, DeAndre Hopkins, free agent. Let's make some news. It's going to be a chief. Yeah, let's make some news. Obviously, wherever that guy goes, he's the he's the biggest free agent right now. And one of the best players in the National Football League every time he puts a helmet on. So I'm I'm here to say that I would love to see him in a chief uniform. Obviously, he's got to do what's best for him and his family moving forward. And he had he had like five other quarterbacks on that list outside of Patrick Mahomes. So I'm sure he's got a bunch of people knocking at his door and giving him a give him a ring. I appreciate you coming on, man. Really looking forward to your season. People that don't know Travis Kelsey is the greatest, best personality ever as successful as his career has been. It's even going to be better after he's done playing football. And thank you so much, bro. And we'll we'll get over it. I'm joining you guys next. You guys are awesome. You guys take all the jobs. That'd be great. Thanks, Travis. This would be these five screens. I mean, it's going to be I'll take it. Never leave the house. Never wear pants. Shows. Enjoy the rest of your week. We will all see you in LA on Monday, but the three of us are not done. We've got big, big dirty secrets to share when we come back. Oh, Chandler. I know we're in the finals week, but man, there's been some news and yesterday, Bob Myers stepping down officially as Warriors GM. We talked with Travis about the end of the Warriors dynasty. Is it, isn't it? Does this mark the end, Chandler? And I don't know if it's the end. I think they're still going to be competitive for, I know, a good three to four year span. But I'll tell you this, Bob Myers is a brilliant mind. He started off as an agent, obviously, so he knows the game from both sides, what he's done with this Warriors franchise. He's created this dynasty, right? I'm looking 2012, the franchise was worth 450 million. Fast forward to 2023. They're now worth 7 billion. And a lot of that has to do with Bob Myers, the talent she's for them, how good he's done in free agency and drafting guys like Clay and Dreymon and Harrison Barnes and all these different signings they've got. Everything he's created there is is magical and a true dynasty and it's a tough, it's big shoes to fill because whoever takes that over and there's talks about maybe it's just Mike Dunleavy or someone else within the organization. They have decisions to make and they have the draft and they have free agency and do they resign Dreymon and Clay Thompson? Do they trade Jordan pool? So it's not going to be an easy job, but I will say Bob Myers, this is a way for him to get out clean. He's done all he can do there. It's tall task for them to win another championship in this era of Steph and Clay and Dreymon. So no doubt in my mind, he'll get another opportunity and he'll flip another franchise because he's that good. He's that cool. He's that smart. People like him. People like working with him. And what he did with this organization is truly unbelievable. Yeah, it's not the end of their dynasty, but they have a ton of questions to answer this summer. And now we don't know who's going to answer them. They got to figure out if they're going to give Clay Thompson a long term extension. Same thing with Dreymon Green. If Jordan pool was long for this team and you felt like it was in sure hands with Bob Myers, now we're not sure who's going to run the organization. You're hearing Mike Dunleavy, you're hearing a bunch of different names. So that's the question they had to answer. But if they're sure on their philosophy going forward with the team and it's already been set in stone, it's a little bit easier to answer. But him leaving is not the end of their dynasty. What I do wonder is it does signal just a little bit more dysfunction in that organization. And we've been talking about it all season long and you've got to figure with the money they're making in that arena and they've been adamant they're making money, hand over fist, they would have paid him whatever to stay. And he chose not to anyway. So you got to wonder what exactly is going on in that organization. So into the dynasty, no, but a little bit more microscope on that franchise to see what's going on there as they get closer to the end of their dynasty. It is. I mean, look, somebody you're right, somebody's going to have to make some pretty tough big decisions like on the first day of their new job, Chandler. If you're that person, what do you do? What's the first step you make? Well, it's also a great team and roster and city and franchise to inherit, right? It's not like he's taking over this rebuild or, you know, this awful city or, you know, the biggest thing for him is he's got to decide of the Jordan or Draymond Green. Is that something that they can fix? And that's something they can do to play Thompson and pay him a lot of money package, we can just, I mean, they have a lot to this. Steve Kerr, the coach of the future, whoever replaced it, they have a big, big job at hand, but also they have the pieces. They have the players, the personnel to still compete and they still have Steph Curry. So give me that job. I'll take that job in a second because they still have foundational pieces. They still have a new arena. They still have a great city and people and players are going to still want to go there to play with Steph to play with clay. They make the game so much easier for guys. So I think it's a great job. I think it's a great opportunity. But yeah, there's big shoes to fill because you can't do a much better job than Bob Meyers did. Right? Yeah, I feel like that's, by the way, Chandler, you could be GM. I know you don't want to coach, but GM, you get to wear suits all the time. I just, I can't picture myself go into like Cleveland on a Tuesday for a shoot around and being there every single day. Not for me, not yet. That's fair. The Cleveland on a Tuesday is a killer. Jeff Green thinks that Denver should retire both Jokic and Carmella Anthony's numbers in the rafters. Eddie, do you agree? You're buying it? I have a sauce by my heart for Carmella as most basketball fans do. So I do agree. But if Jokic brings them their first title in franchise history, then it gets dicey. Then you start to wonder who's who number that really is and who that belongs to. I mean, I think the nice thing to do would be both, but this is clearly Nicola Jokic's franchise right now and going forward. He'll be hailed in that town for as long as he lives. He'll be doing reunion tours and all of that. And if he gets this title, yeah, they're putting that number up the day he retire. So I mean, I think they should, but they might not. Yeah, I wish they just wouldn't have let Jokic have this number in case they happened to retire at one day. In case. He's got the number and he ran with it. Number 15 is Jokic. We're talking back to back MVP. We're talking to someone who could have won it this year. And now, like Eddie just said, when they, when he brings the first championship to that city and that organization, it's almost up to him. And I think he's such a classy guy. I think he's such a professional that he'll allow them to retire both and honor both those guys because people, they don't forget because Mello was that good, but he was a bucket. He was awesome under the different and his number should be retired. It just, it's, it's, it's just a shame that the guy that took over his number is the greatest in all time. And that's going, sure. So it's awesome around draft pick. Like you should, if you were going to retire Mello's number, wouldn't you have already done it before? Yeah, they just gave it to like the 41st thing and he wasn't going to be Nicola Jokic and poof. Here we are. So yeah, I think that, I think that time is coming gone guys. And because even if you did do it out of sentimentality, it sort of feels condescending to Carmelo Anthony at this point, because you know the 15 is going to be Yoko. It's, it's a weird, it's a tricky situation, but you know what? If they win a title, I don't think they, they give a damn about any of that stuff right there. Speaking of classy, look, Scotty Pippins in the news. He said MJ was a quote horrible player before he, being Scotty joined the bulls. Eddie, you buy that horrible player, horrible. This sounds like a guy who's ex-wife is dating the other guys. So like this is, this is what that's like. We know his angle here. I don't, I don't know if he wanted to just be talked about this week or what he said this in praise of LeBron as well. So I just, you know, Marcus is, is making it tough for his dad out there. I guess I don't, that's all I got. That's all I got. I'm sorry. That's all you can have. Chandler, do you have anything? I should. I really should. This was so stupid. I shouldn't even give this time or air because it's just the worst. It's arguably the worst take I've ever heard in media in my life, but he wasn't a horrible player. He was never a horrible, he wasn't even a horrible player on the wizard. So I don't understand this. I don't get this. Clearly there's some personal beef. There's, there's, there's a lot going on and he just touched on one subject. Next question, please. You're a part of this. You're a part of this. You're part of the problem. You are the problem. I'm sweating too. And I have nothing to do with any of it. And that's what I love about it. Um, yeah. Shout out Scotty Pippen for always giving us gold quotes, gold, a quick break. We come back. Maybe we'll give you some more on this. I have no idea when running back. Get in on the NBA finals action right from the first chip with Fandall. Right now you can make the finals even more exciting with bets that can get you an early W bet on race to 15, first basket score, method of first basket score, and so much more. There's no better place to bet all the finals action than America's number one sports book. Download the app. Get a quick W today. Fandall official sports betting partner of the NBA. I love it. First bucket of the finals. Chandler, who you got? Give me Michael Porter on good one. Oh, on the jump. Okay. You got both. All right, Eddie. I like the Porter call. I'm going to go with I'm going to go with Jamal Murray. I just didn't see the pick and roll already in my head. So I'm going to go with that one. All right. I think those are both or Jimmy. I think it's Jimmy. If it's just like a little upset on the road and get the crowd on their feet already in the beginning, like, okay, guys, that man has a family. They all have families. We all have families. But these these gentlemen didn't care. These are all post season moments. Market smart. No. By the way, this play, I think this happened like three times in a row. Yes. It could not get the ball. Yeah. And then they threw it out of bounds. And then they threw it out of bounds. They never got the ball in pounce. It was the dumbest play I've ever seen. Oh, is that bad? Aaron Gordon whipsy daisy. Well, that's fair. I don't know. He plays football out there. Yeah, this is on. Yeah, this is the tight end that could play it right now. Yeah, he looks that we forgot to mention him. It looks kind of unfair. This is bully ball on Conley to the to the dunk. This is a nasty, nasty move. He's had a great year, man. Well, hope it keeps going. That's a first quarter. That's a first quarter contest from Ant to like he just he's ready to get on offense. Woo. That's a moment to keep for Cams and Austin. He was going bananas to he had like 25 in this half and he was showing everything, including the poster on the MVP. Come on. You actually dunk on a dude's head like that. Like literally the ball bounces off his head. Yeah, that's you take a picture of that one. I know you just play that in a loop in your mind every morning when you wake up to start today. Anthony Davis. Yeah, okay. Oh, yeah. I mean, is this a body like he didn't go chest to chest, but this is this is linked at its finest. Oh, Dennis Schroeder, lots him in this play. He's my favorite part of it. Got him. Look at the score in that, by the way. I forgot in this game how bad this game was until I remember the score. Yeah. This Schroeder point was more disrespectful than the actual way he's like that little kid like he's that kid. Yeah. That is him. My reporter. Oh, not your point. Sorry, Eddie. I was in like row two and I could just see it develop and I was just like, oh, that's going on TV. That's that's going on the ground. By the way, just another dime from your kids that we don't even talk about. Oh, there you go. You remember that one. Wiggins on a D. Okay. Yeah, I feel like that's surprisingly underrated dunker like he's got some bodies on some guys. Yeah, I like this one body on your kids that was a foul. Like he's got some he's got no on Luca that they called off its own. That came to the right now. Yeah, that was this suspect in this. So yeah, yeah. I need more of this in game one. Be this bam. Was in the building for that thousand. I mean, you're gonna have to. Yeah, this is a no push. No, nothing just clean. No push. No, nothing. Just floor seats. Just he literally what happens? He broke his ankles not facing him. You rarely see you. Doesn't happen very often. Guys, finals, finals kick off tomorrow. Who wants to start with predictions? Eddie, I'm gonna go to you first. Game one. You got I'm going. I'm going. Nuggets big. I'm going nuggets in five as well. And I just want to praise the show because we made it an hour without talking about Josh Hart and breast milk. So thank you guys. We also got through just not talking about LeBron and cryptic lyrics. I think we're champions. Chandler, we should win an award. Yeah, I like the heat to get off to a somewhat of a decent start. But I like I like I think they're too much. I think the home court's still gonna play an advantage for them. They have no answers for you. I'm with Eddie. I think it's either five or six and I would air on the side of five. Denver Nuggets. But you have he went in game one. That's interesting. I think they wouldn't game one. I think game two. And I think the heat one of the home games, you know what? I'm going to go with Alex English on this one. I think Denver sweeps. So they got the first one as well. We'll be in LA next week live in studio. Enjoy the rest of the week.