 There are some legitimate grievances that Indigenous Australia have that need to be addressed. And the most fundamental is the original colonisation of Australia. I don't see that in the sense of blaming people. But what happened in this country is people came from somewhere else, took the country off the people who were here. A lot of things happened, a lot of violence, a lot of death, a lot of destruction of the first Australians, Indigenous Australians. That was done without consent. People were dispossessed, incarcerated, disregarded. Children were taken away. Culture and language was all but destroyed, almost. Nothing has been done to address that. I mean, these things are wrong. Looking at it from modern eyes, nothing was done to address that. Therein, I think, lies the fundamental reason for reconciliation between modern Australia and an ancient Australia that's still here. We need to address this as the primary unfinished business of reconciliation. And when we achieve that, I think we wouldn't be particularly surprised or perturbed. For example, if we'd just elected a female Aboriginal as Prime Minister, those sorts of things would go unremarked. They'd be unremarkable things. That's what I see as the element in reconciliation. And your law professors at Torres Strait Islander, your philosophy teacher is an Aboriginal woman from the Kimberleys. Those things would be unremarkable because we'd achieved reconciliation. That would be my vision for reconciliation. But I think at its heart, getting back to why I think the way I think about this and why I've answered the way which I've answered, we have to deal with fundamental questions in reconciliation because they're the grounds of legitimate grievances that have not been addressed. And until we address those grievances, we can't be one nation. We can't have a shared history. We can't be as inclusive as we'd like to be. We can't be as fair or as lovers of human rights and fundamental freedoms. If we don't deal with these fundamental questions that are at the very foundation, the very heart of the modern Australian nation, or what the modern Australian nation ought to look like, is a nation that deals with those things and deals with them maturely and promptly. And in a way that sticks. Well, what do I regard as the unfinished business, essentially the colonisation of Australia and the wrong that visited upon the first Australians that needs to be addressed. Therein is the grievance. Any university, and this university in particular, can do their bit to address that. I think the ANU has got, as the national university, because this is a national issue, has got a central role to play in addressing these grievances. And it can be done in quite a number of ways. We have to ensure that we have a strategy, a plan, a policy of inclusion of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander. World views in the way we teach things, the values of Indigenous Australians have to be respected and honoured and be included in the way we do our research, the way we recruit students, the way we teach students, the way we look after the grounds, the way we recruit professional staff, the way we recruit academic staff, the way we react with the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people and the way we lead in education and research and running a university. We need to embrace Indigenous perspectives in the way in which we do the job we do and we need a proper plan for that. I think we are well on track. There's a lot more work to be done, but I'd like to see Indigenous studies, for example, permeate our curriculum and our research and be given an equal place with other disciplines like science and mathematics and anthropology and archaeology and law. Indigenous studies is something we ought to embrace and make sure that that's central to what this university does and how this university wants to be seen, not just nationally, but internationally and make it an attractive place to come to because we do these things, because we embrace Indigenous Australia. People want to come here because that's what we do. It's part of business, part of normal business. This is how we do it here. That's what we ought to be able to proudly say to anybody who wants to have a look, whether they be a politician, whether they be an aspiring student from overseas or even a local Aboriginal person, a young kid who wants to do a university degree. They'd come here by choice because of what we do for Indigenous Australia and the way in which we embrace Indigenous studies. That is what the ANU can do, but we've got to start somewhere. We've got to have a plan, we've got to have a strategy and the whole organisation has to embrace that and implement it.