 In this episode of Mind Pump, we answer fitness and health questions asked by listeners like you. Now the way we go through this podcast is we actually start out with an introductory portion where we talk about current events, our lives, we mention our sponsors. After that portion, then we get into answering the fitness and health questions. So the first part was about 41 minutes. Here's what went down in the entire episode. We start out by talking about this workout book from India from the 1920s and there's some incredible wisdom in it and it came from somebody in our forum. Really, really cool. Then I talked about Organifi's new product balance. It's a probiotic packet that you add into your water and drink. They also mentioned their other product called Move, which is a good natural anti-inflammatory product. I like them both. Of course Organifi, one of our favorite supplement companies. All their products are organic. Here's how you get the Mind Pump discount. Go to organifi.com, that's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com forward slash Mind Pump and use the code Mind Pump for 20% off all of their products. Then we talked about the show called Upload on Amazon and then another show called Hollywood on Netflix. Apparently they're both really, really good. We talked about 24-hour fitness and some of the guidelines that they put forward as they reopen. And then we also talked about homeschooling and how parents are now having thoughts about possibly homeschooling their kids after all of this is over. Then we got into the fitness questions. Here's the first one. This person wants to know about alcohol and how it affects weight training. Like is it good? Is it bad? Should I drink? Should I not drink? So we talk all about alcohol and part of that conversation was talking about how to mitigate the negative effects of alcohol. One of the strategies was to not drink right before bed. And the other one was to use a product called Zebaotic. Now Zebaotic is a bacteria that was actually engineered to produce an enzyme that breaks down the negative byproducts of alcohol metabolism. So some of the negative byproducts of alcohol metabolism can cause you to feel so crappy the next day. Zebaotics gets rid of that. It's actually extremely effective. We've all tested it ourselves and they are one of our sponsors. And I'm telling you this much right now. Try it for yourself. Drink a little bit, have some alcohol, see how you feel the day after. No joke, this stuff is breakthrough, okay? Legit works. Now we have a discount for you. Go to zbiotics.com. That's Z-B-I-O-T-I-C-S.com forward slash mind pump. And you'll get 10% off their three packs, six packs, 12 packs. So you get discounts on all of their products. The next question, this person's asking about our workout programs, maps and ebolic and maps. Aesthetic wants to know how to follow both of them. So we talk all about how to follow programs one after another. And then if you don't follow the programs we give you advice on how you can create your own programs and move from one goal to another so your body doesn't plateau. The next question, this person says hey, how can I turn the focus from how I look to how I feel? In other words, they want to be motivated by feeling healthy, being healthy, versus just their aesthetics of the reflection in the mirror. This is a very important transition. So we give our tips on that in that part of the episode. And then the last question, this person wants to know if they opened up our fridge and pantry, what would they see? Of course they'd see food, but we got into specifics about the foods that we like very specific on a regular basis. Also this month, all month long, one of our best at home workout programs, Map Starter, is 50% off. Now all you need for this program is a stability ball and dumbbells, okay? Stability balls are phenomenal for teaching you and encouraging excellent form, mobility and stability. You add dumbbells to that, you get a good muscle building routine. Even if you're advanced, you can follow a program like Map Starter, it'll improve the way your body moves when you go back to your normal routines, you should notice improvements in control stability and that'll lead to more plateau free workouts. Again, the program's 50% off, here's how you get that discount. Go to mapsstarter.com, that's M-A-P-S-S-T-A-R-T-E-R dot com and use the code starter50, that's S-T-A-R-T-E-R-5-0, no space for the discount. Sh-tada. You know what? Sometimes I love our forum. Yeah, why? Our private forum. Sometimes I think it's annoying too, sometimes with people I'm like, come on man, what are you doing here? Dude, there's some gems in there. But a lot of times there's- Way to sell our forum. I know, well hey. By the way it's on sale right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes. But I do appreciate a lot of stuff about the forum and one of the things that I really, really appreciate the most is that I get introduced to articles and studies and stuff that I don't think I would have found. Which is one of the reasons why I follow so many groups on Facebook in the first place. It's just, it's a crowdsourcing awesome information. And somebody posted on there a, I always talk about old time strong men and old time bodybuilders and how they worked out, back in the early 1900s or even late 1800s. And just for context, one of the reasons why, and this is for the audience, you guys didn't know this, I tell you guys this all the time. One of the reasons why I find those decades and era so fascinating is because it was before steroids became widely used. They didn't have the technology we have now. They didn't have the equipment. They didn't have the training knowledge in terms of putting it all together, but they found things that really worked. Well, what you have is you have often times, and this is what I found, because I, trust me, ever since I got into this space as a kid, I have obsessively consumed information in regards to fitness and health and fat loss and especially muscle building. I mean, in the nineties, I subscribed to muscle and fitness, Flex Magazine, Ironman, Muscle Media 2000, Muscle Mag. I had books from Robert Kennedy, Robert Kennedy wrote all these books. I had books from Arnold Schwarzenegger, Mike Menster. I mean, I read everything. I could actually, I'll take a picture later and I'll post it on my story. You can see all these old muscle building books. And you read them all, and you read a lot of the same information, and at some point as I started getting older, I started saying, you know, a lot of this information is coming from people that maybe are not a lot like me. Like they're all genetically gifted, and I don't necessarily consider myself genetically gifted. I'm more of a classic skinny kind of ectomorph guy, but one thing they all have in common, especially because this was the nineties when I started doing this, they're all like on a lot of anabolic steroids. Do anabolic steroids change the muscle building signal in the body? Of course, you take a lot of testosterone, you've got this loud hormonal signal telling you to build muscle. Could that potentially change your recommendations of what works and what doesn't work? And I thought it did. I thought, well, that makes a lot of sense. This was after being frustrated, by the way, for years of not seeing gains. So I went in these, I started looking for old, old muscle building wisdom. So I said to myself, I'm gonna find what they said about building muscle before steroids. Cause those guys are more like me than the guys that I'm reading today are, right? It's pretty funny like how parallel my pursuits were in a different direction. So it was more about the quality of movement and how they were able to figure out how to move more effectively and to produce more power and explosive ability and strength. And so I really dove back into all these old forgotten techniques and kettlebells and Indian clubs and Macebells, like think goddess and where various cultures had different techniques that they would bring in to prepare them for war. And I was just very fascinated by that, like how, you know, back in- How they trained. Yeah, how they trained. That was so fascinating to me. Oh, I love, same here. So I get these old books and I start reading in them and what do I read? I read some counter information. Like all the information I was reading in the 90s and, you know, until I went and looked back said do body parts, split routines, hammer the crap out of your body, go to failure on everything. Like there was all that. That was all the information that I read. When I go back in these old books and these got like John Grimmick, Steve Reeves, you know, even Eugene Sandow way back, right? Way back before. And by the way, they were impressive as hell. Like, you know, John Grimmick had 19 inches. These guys were mostly natural or totally natural. Steroids were starting to get used in the 40s and 50s but they were using doses that were like nothing compared to what they started using later on. And the doses really started taking off in the late 60s, 70s and then they just didn't stop, right? So I read this stuff and I'm like, whoa, this is totally different. Let me apply this and see if it works and sure enough it does. So somebody in our forum knows I like talking about this stuff. Right. And they found a book called Muscle Control and Barbell Exercises from the 1920s from India. Wow. So this is India, right? I saw this on the forum and blown away by the way the guys look. I would argue they look better than the pictures I've seen of guys over here in the US in the 20s. Oh dude. They look sick. A lot of people don't know this. India has a deep and rich physical, old physical fitness culture. They were the ones that trained a lot with the, like the clubs and the kettlebells, not the kettlebells but the May spells. Gada, they had a wrestling culture. The great gamma, I think his name was, was a wrestler from India who was undefeated for I don't know how many thousands of matches. And you see these pictures of these heavily muscled like Indian guys with the curly mustaches and all that stuff or whatever. So this guy posts this book and I'm looking at it and I just, and check out the first, just the first paragraph and tell me if this is not, remember this was in 1920, okay. This is the first, the very first paragraph and it's underneath the title, general instructions. It says always try to coax and not force your muscles to grow. Excessive and rapid exercise is harmful. Avoid overexertion and go ahead slowly and intelligently. A few repetitions correctly performed is of more benefit than any number done in a clumsy way. I mean, how awesome wisdom is it? Look at this one. Individual training is better than a class work than class work in a gymnasium. I mean, isn't this incredible? This is so simple food is best. You can eat whatever you can digest and remember that you should eat to live and not live to eat. Keep your stomach easy. I mean, it's such great, brilliant information just distilled all the way down to the elements. Why do you think it fell out of favor because we just assume as consumers that because time has passed that science has evolved. We're smarter today than we were in the 20s. The guys look more impressive. So there's your example of, oh, it must have, we must know so much more. We must be so much further advanced and the information that we're getting provided here in the 70s and 80s must just be way better than what was being provided in the 20s and 30s. Do you think that's what it is? What caused us for us to lose sight of that and then to buy into this? If you look at Steve Reeves and John Grimmick's routines that got them to champion level bodybuilders, very strong muscular guys, if you want pause the podcast, Google John Grimmick, take a look at his picture and tell me that's not impressive. And again, remember this was before the wide use of anabolic steroids. At most, the guy was using five milligrams of dianabol a day, probably not, maybe natural most of his career and he looks incredibly impressive. Look at their routines. You know what it looks like? This is what it looks like. Three days a week, barbell squats, bench press, barbell rows, pull-ups, overhead press. So it looks basic. It doesn't look fancy, right? So I think part of it is after a while you wanna present like new and spectacular and novelty. You wanna include all these machines. And then when you're on a lot of steroids, you know, here's a deal. When you lift weights, there's an anabolic signal that gets sent. There's muscle protein, we can measure this with studies now, right? We can see that muscle protein synthesis spikes after 24, at about 24 to 72 hours, it starts to drop very quickly. But if you are on anabolic steroids, you get a signal that stays up all the time. So you can train your chest and beat the crap out of it and train it once a week for 20 sets. And you're okay. You're natural. You train it on Monday. Even if it's sore for the whole week, you built muscle for two days, three days maybe. And then after that, stop building muscle. Maybe started adapting in the reverse. And so now you go back to Monday and you're at the same place you were before. Well, too, I think back then they were trying to put it all together for average people to even be involved in training. I think like selling them on the concept of even coming into the gym and improving yourself versus it sort of evolved into idol worship. Like these guys that were just genetic freaks and really like took it and they may have been on anabolic steroids. That played a factor. Their training was totally different but we started to put them on magazines. We started to have posters of them. And we wanted to do what they were doing not necessarily like look into what was best for my own training. It's interesting too because it really makes me, I had a conversation yesterday with our good friend Craig and we were talking about, he was asking, what is mind pump considered their avatar? I said, there was something when we first moved into the space that we recognized right away was the advertising, the marketing and the communication that was happening from either academia or even the fitness influencer was really targeting this 1% to 5% of the people which were not the people that we were training. So I feel like that's what kind of happened in that bodybuilding era of the steroid era when it popped out. It's like, it's not that information is awful or wrong. It developed some champions. It developed some crazy, amazing physiques but it really was speaking to a very small percentage of the population that were on anabolic steroids that were training seven days a week, double days and crazy amounts of lifting and they were genetic freaks. So it's like this sliver of the population but yet they are being put on these pedestals and they are getting the platform to speak to the masses on all about nutrition because they were what everybody was idolizing as, oh, they must have all the information. So it's really interesting when you think like we still are suffering from that as an industry. We still are the people that are leading the way and speaking about health and fitness and training are still talking to this very niche group and I think that was something that we noticed right away when we got into podcasting was when we looked at all the other people that were speaking about it. You know what? Nobody is talking to the hundreds of clients that I've trained. Those are your normal everyday people that have normal jobs and families and their number one priority isn't the gym. It's everything else in their life but they recognize that health and fitness is important and they're trying to find out how to integrate it and they're reading this shit in the magazines. That's the frustrating part. They've come in with all this information that they've heard but none of it applies to them and we'd have to take our time explaining that, really educate them what actually would work best for them. Oh yeah, I was on a podcast the other day and they were asking me about hit cardio and they're like, oh, the studies show that hit cardio burns more fat and this and that and I said, well, it depends on who's doing it and then she said, what do you mean? I said, well, if I'm working with the overstressed, poor sleeping, out of shape, average person, hit cardio is a terrible way. Which is the majority. Which is the majority and this was a big realization for me that really took me to the next level with my own personal training. When I realized that if you look at a scale and on one end of the scale was the worst possible, you know, athletic muscle building genetics possible. Like you just terrible, terrible, terrible genetics and on the other end of the scale, you had the extreme mutant muscle building freaks who you probably see a picture of them as babies and they look like little body builders. Most vast majority of us are somewhere in the middle. Very, very, very few people are on the other ends of the spectrum, so I'll use another example, okay. Let's look at the spectrum of height. Genetics are, yes, in nutrition, definitely plays a role in how tall we get, but genetics plays a very big role as well. On one end of the spectrum, you have people who are super, super, super tiny and super, super, super small, right? On the other end, you have people like seven feet tall. Now forget TV, forget media, forget, you know, articles you may read or, you know, NBA. Walk around, just walk around every day. Walk around, think about your whole life of real life, not anything in media. How many people have you ever seen that are seven feet tall in life, in real life? Or four feet tall. Or under four feet tall in real life, right? I can literally think of a couple people. That's how much it stuck out. So you're probably, if you're listening to this podcast, you're probably not on those extremes, so you should train your body according to the advice that works best for most people, which is what we try to communicate with all that other extreme stuff. If you apply it to yourself, we know what's gonna end up happening. Not only are you not gonna progress, you're gonna probably regress or, at worst, hurt yourself. So this is the message that I think it's important to keep. I came in the other day and saw a box from Organifi with your name on it only. What the hell did you get? Justin and I. Is Saul Weasling again? He does, no, I think he's, he's like, you know what, you guys, you can just direct it specifically to me. That would be great. They have a new product called Balance. And it's a probiotic. It's a probiotic and it comes in a powder. So you add it to your water and you drink it and I've been using it and it's good. You know, Organifi does such a good job with their products. You know what other one that I've started using recently that I haven't consistently used in the past? Have you guys tried their Move? I have. That's their joint support, right? So it's like joint support, anti-inflammatory. Was it turmeric and things like that? Yeah, so there are compounds in Move that I actually have a bottle right here. I love that when I'm going back to my one to five rep range. I tend to use some of that to help with the achiness for sure. Yeah, so it's got turmeric. It's got arctic pine. It has acetxanthin, holy basil, all which can help, just help regulate inflammation. That's my favorite ingredient. Which one? Holy basil. Now, Doug, do you know if they're, did this replace their old probiotic or is this in addition to, it's just another way? Do you know? I think it's a replacement. Okay, so they got rid of the old probiotic and then now, so did they just move it to a powdered form? Is that what the deal is? Or has it got something else in it than the old one? It's moved. Because I love taking the old one. It also has prebiotics in there as well, which are things that help feed the probiotics when you consume them. So I think it's a better product. Oh, okay. I think they improved upon the old product. So that's the deal that's going on. You know, I tell you what, Adam, it's hard to look at you with your west end. Bro. It's a little distracting, huh? Bro. Those are saying, we were talking about genetics. I'm going to tell you right now, dude, your mustache genetics put you at the extreme. I'm telling you, if you can grow it and then get some wax and kind of twist it a bit, like you'd be like an old school barber, like an old strongman. I mean, it's so full. There's no daylight between it. And it covers your whole lip. Did you do that yourself or did you go through? Yeah, no, I didn't myself. That's, I mean, I'm forced to, right? That's kind of what's been going on since I don't have. The reason why I'd prefer to have my beard right now, but I have somebody who does all that, that lines it all up. I can't do it myself. So you went with the stash? Yeah, well, I was like, you know what? I need to shave. The beard was getting just out of control and it starts to bother me when it gets too long. You know, it gets a little long. It starts to get itchy. You get food stuck in it. Dude, look at mine. I'm letting it go now. Yeah, it looks good though. I like Justin's look right now. I like your short hair with your short beard. It's actually like the same length. And so I was like, I shaved my head and then I shaved the beard thing and then I just let them grow together. So that didn't work out. Cause all of us look a little different than before. I mean, I look different too. I haven't gotten a haircut in months. So I look whatever and my beard's out of control and Justin's got his thing. Now how are your girls responding to the new look? Honest. At first, like she was cool, but now it's kind of like, you know what? Like I'm looking forward to when you have hair again. Like she said that multiple times. Oh really? I like the look on you right now. Yeah, she's like. I would tell you if it was stupid. It's kind of chiapet like right now. You know, like it's in that fuzz phase, which I've never been a real fan of either cause it's just kind of like a little, it turns into like a poof ball, you know? No, no. What about you, Adam? Katrina likes it, dude. She likes the stash? Well, I think she likes the fantasy that she thinks she's sleeping with somebody different. That's what I think it is. Yeah, that's nice. I think that's what she feels like. You could be the stranger tonight. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I think that's, it's the role. I get to hook up with the pervert. You just need a solid trench coat. Yeah, no, I ran into one of those white vans the other day. Dude, Magnum PI, that's your mustache. Oh yeah. Pull up Magnum PI. That is your mustache right now. I tell you guys, my dad won a competition in Hawaii. Okay. To look like Magnum PI? Yeah, he looks just like a Magnum PI. So 90% of our audience has no idea who that is. I know. Look it up, Magnum PI was a totally popular show on TV, I think, in the 90s. I sent a picture to my client friend of mine and she sent back a picture of, like I guess a famous picture of Bert Reynolds in the 70s where he's naked on a bear rug. Bro, you have a literal Magnum PI mustache. That was the look back in that era for sure. I'm trying to bring it back right now. I'm trying to bring it back. If you had the chest hair, you'd have to like it. Not like that. You do need a little chest curlin' up over your shirt. Yeah, that was another part of it. The other day I was wrestling with my son, dude, and yeah, sweat's on, you know, so I'm kinda holding him down, messing with him, whatever, and his sweats came up a little bit. And I'm like, damn, boy, your legs are hairy. You can't get some hair on this one all of a sudden. I'm like, holy cow. Do you remember being a young boy, though, and you couldn't wait for that to happen? I remember girls teasing me because I didn't have very much hair on my legs when I was a kid, you know? That just reminded me of like, I wanted like facial hair so bad for a bit, because like one of my best friends, every boy does, right? He got it early, yeah, he got it in like sixth grade. Like I was like, oh my God. And like he was getting attention from girls and stuff because he looked all like mature. So I actually like experimented, I was getting like peach fuzz and stuff, you know? And so I actually put some dirt on there. I did, I put some dirt on my, this guy, of course he did. This guy uses a Sharpie on his fucking head over his head. I tried it out, I walked in it a bit and people saw it right through it. Yeah, it's just the pates of Westash on his face. Jumps in a pool and it's all running. It works. You know, I grew like, I grew first. So I remember out of all my cousins, I had, I was the first one like armpit hair and the whole deal, you know? But then I just, they progressed and now I am like the least hairy Sicilian person, I think on earth. Oh, so you were early then, you were early with facial hair and things. I was late with all that. I couldn't grow a beard, a stash, any of that stuff till late. I was a late bloomer. Yeah. And then even when it did, it was like all blotchy and it couldn't put a full beard in. Dude, it was all patchy and it was all started on my neck. It was the worst place, you know? You don't wanna grow that out. No beard, but all neck hair. Yeah. Well, what you do when you're younger is once it starts to come in, you're so excited that you, oh, I got some face hair. That you start doing stupid stuff like what do they call it, a flavor saver? You know, it goes right here. Hey, I like that, dude. I like that for a while. I like that. Or the, you know, of course the 90s. What was the 90s facial hair thing? Is it goatee? I think I had the goatee or just the chin. I don't like, I've been this way since I was young. I don't normally have a haircut, a look that I keep for very long. Like I had a buddy, I remember like, we were like in our late 20s and he was still rocking that same bowl cut that we had when we were like in eighth grade. And I'm like, bro, change your fucking look, dude. And I'm like, I like to rotate through it. It just keeps it fresh, you know what I'm saying? It keeps it fresh and different. So I'm always changing things up. Did you guys ever dye your hair or anything? I did, I did for a while. Like how wild? Okay, so no, no, no, not like that, dude. So the NoBS program, the six pack, the abs workout, we know we did that episode, lots of people are getting it. And the videos in there are of me from 2014. But I also dyed my hair, okay? I want everybody to know that. I did not go from totally black. Oh yeah, because that's what makes it look, that's what makes it, I think we both look like we were fucking that makes you look a lot younger because you were dying. Cause I got messages like, oh my gosh, what happened to your hair? So I dyed it back then. Yeah, I was doing that to maintain it for a while. But even before that, like, I would go like a little punk rock. Like I went, yeah, I would, I would dye it black, like jet black and then also blonde and like bleach it out. But that was as far as I could like colors. That would not fly with my immigrant, you know, parents. My parents hated it. Oh, just me. Yeah, no, I would have come home with purple hair and my dad would have, I tried to mohawk, but they made me shit. I joked one time, I was, I thought it was going to be funny. And I told my, I had a friend come over and my friend had pierced ears, right? And so he comes over and this and that. And I could see my dad's kind of looking, he's an old Sicilian, right? So he's kind of, you know, I got to say this too about my parents, very accepting. If you're a good person, they don't care, they love you. But initially, they grew up a certain way, especially my dad. They're getting judgelo. So you walk in with, you know, colorful hair, piercings, whatever. At first they're gonna be like, huh? So I could see my dad looking at this dude with, you know, hoop earrings or whatever. So the kid leaves and then, you know, and my dad's like, oh, he's a nice kid. This and that. I said, yes. Tomorrow he's going to take me to the place where he got his ears pierced. My dad looks at me and he wasn't even joking. He goes, if you do that, I'll pull him out with pliers. I'm like, I'm just kidding, dad. Joke, say. It was a total joke. I want to, I got to bring up, so a bunch of people have been messaging me about watching the show upload. So I watched it. So, you know, I love when I get recommendations and once I get enough from people, I go, okay, I'll check it out. Definitely a, what did Doug say, like a candy show you referenced it as? You know, it's not like. It's processed food TV. Well, it's a little bit better than that. It's better than just straight trash TV. It's kind of been a plot to it, but yeah, it's just a fun show. Like, you know how you like the Righteous Gemstones? Yeah. It's kind of like, it's on, you're having a good time, because the concept is really unique. And I thought it's really playful the way that they write it. Well, it gets, okay. So what I liked about it, and I think you would like to sell because it gets my wheels spinning about what we currently do right now. It feels like it could be a potential reality. So the concept without ruining the show is, you know, it's called upload. And the idea of what upload is, is that you upload consciousness to a virtual heaven, basically, after you die. But, you know, it's like upgrades inside it. Yeah, and we're not far from AI becoming this smart. And I think about people like what we do right now. I mean, think about the amount of words that are out there on Google that you have written or put on, whether it be Instagram or blogs, and then the amount of words that you have recorded on podcasts and YouTube. You know, just from five years that we've been doing this, you could probably build an AI that would respond just like one of us three would respond to almost any question. That's creepy. Think about that, that you could do that. So if they, obviously, if the science was there to be able to, you know, keep your consciousness alive and upload it into a database, and then you have all the algorithms for how this person would answer and respond, you would be able to create this kind of virtual version of them. So that's kind of the idea. And I think, man, that is not that far fetched with if you have all that. It's like Sims, right? So you become this digital person and then you interact with other digital people that used to be, you know, real people. So it's like they catch them before they die and they kind of upload them in. Yeah, I love that. You know, the only problem with that is that even all the stuff people say, do, search, that's recorded, people oftentimes don't even know themselves well enough to put that stuff out. So the true selves of themselves may not even come out. Of course. I think that there's obviously... I gotta just destroy that, yeah. Yeah, no, it's interesting. I don't see it happening for like at all. But I think it's a cool concept. So I give it like a B minus a C plus. I mean, that's where I'd be. But what I'm loving right now, that I passed on it a bunch of times to watch in the last, whatever it's been up, a week or two or whatever. And I finally indulged last night and really was surprised and impressed was the show Hollywood on Netflix. Hell of good. Is it really? Hell of good. And it's the series? Yeah, it's a series. It's a Netflix series. And I forget what episode, I went through a few of them last night and they just keep getting better. It just... And I wasn't interested in the preview. The preview didn't sell me. And I was like, eh. And then after a while, the rankings up there, I see enough people say, no, you should check it out. I finally go watch it. And right away, the first episode, I was like, okay, this is not what I thought it was. This is really good. So probably one of my favorite recommendations. Okay, good. I'll pass through it. I passed over it so many times. Yeah, yeah, check it out. I'll make sure, check it out. You know, back to the whole uploading your consciousness. Here's an interesting philosophical question, right? Let's say that we had the technology where we could literally take your brain and copy it exactly to create, to transfer your consciousness into a digital form. Is that really you? Or is it just a perfect copy of you? Well, it's not really you. Right, not only that, but it addresses that kind of, that question that you would have in the show pretty well. So there's like a dad who's like, who his wife has already died before this technology came out. And he's not interested in being uploaded. He wants to go to what potentially could be real heaven. And so his daughter's like trying to convince him, like, dad, you need to upload so I can spend the eternity with you in the virtual heaven. And he ain't buying it. He's like... It's just an arrogance that we have, that we can figure out like every single detail that makes up a human being, which like we've considered all the angles and all the variables and like, I just don't, I don't believe that personally. I don't think that we'll ever be able to nail down like the essence of the soul and like what actually like makes a human being, a human being. Bro, you, it's so funny that we're on this topic. I just did a post on Instagram and it's already, of course, it's causing a lot of controversy. And I put in it that anecdotes are not evidence except when they are. And I said, I trust hundreds of years of consistent human anecdote more than a single double blind placebo controlled study. Now that's connected because exactly what you're saying, Justin, the arrogance that we have, now that we've got the scientific method, now that we have technology, we start to discredit all other forms of human wisdom because it's not science. And then take it a step further, we start to have this worship of science where if a study says something works, that's unequivocal, that's true. If a study says something safe, oh, it definitely is. And I think that's such a great topic because science is very powerful. It's one of the most amazing tools that we've ever come across, but it does not replace philosophical wisdom, spiritual wisdom. It does not replace thousands of years of anecdote. Like if an herb has been used for thousands of years for stomach pain, that's evidence in my... Well, not only that, but science tends to do this too where we try and isolate something where just the human body, the human mind, the human spirit doesn't work that way. Everything's all interconnected. So to try and isolate something, to try and prove a point, you could have something prove in a study that, oh, no, that's not true. This does not scientifically do this. Well, what if it did something to that person on a spiritual level, on an emotional level that then changed the result of whatever reason that they're taking it or doing it? And even though the science doesn't support what the claims are that people try and make from it, there are other aspects that it could influence because the body doesn't work this way where it isolates things like studies like to do so. But again, it highlights our arrogance where we are like, we know everything. We figured it out. Oh, you wanna be happy? Okay, we know what that is. That's a bunch of chemicals that makes you feel happy. We know what those chemicals look like. Let's just give you those chemicals and now you're happy. And instead you get the feeling of happiness, but the lack of meaning. And then we know what that looks like, what drug addiction and all that kind of stuff. So, I think this is a very important conversation and honestly, I do think that we keep pushing towards this worship of science. We're gonna learn that lesson. Well, on that note, do you think in our lifetime that we're going to see the ability for almost everybody to have? Everything, absolutely. In our lifetime? I think, oh, I don't know, for our lifetime. That's what I'm saying in our lifetime. Of course, I believe we're moving that way. I mean, that's what's happening, right? We're moving in that direction that we're getting better and better, 3D printers, things like that. So, I question, will it happen in our lifetime or our children's lifetime where, you know, to have things that everybody works so hard to achieve and obtain, will it be less of a big deal because everybody could pretty much have it? Oh, I think you will reach a point if we can make it this far. Well, we'll have everything and then we're gonna be left with now what and why do I still feel this way? And oh, what a scary. That is gonna be a hard, inner, scary travel. Yeah, we have to go outside of our world at that point. It's like, you know, we always need something to shoot for. And that's just like embedded in the human experience. It's like, we wanna keep pursuing something that gives us meaning and we wanna stretch ourselves and we're always trying to build something. It's just inevitable. Have you guys been getting DMs about people that are heading back to the gym yet? Like, so the states that are starting to open up? Yes, in fact, I got an article that we're 24, our fitness actually put out some of their guidelines, like what they're gonna probably open with. Now, of course, you wanna consider that, you know, 24 Fitness is a large company. So they have clubs in many different jurisdictions. But generally speaking, they're gonna do touch-free check-ins. There's gonna be social distancing throughout all of the gyms with spacing indicators and more, and which may mean, which probably will mean, that they're gonna close certain amenities. They're gonna decommission certain amounts of cardio and strength equipment because, you know, they fit, the models are to fit X amount of pieces of machine in that model, but if they have to distance people, they're probably gonna have to get rid of a lot of equipment or decommission it. You know, cover it and say, okay, you're gonna be over here and you're gonna be way over there. There's gonna be lots of signs, they said. Personal training probably continued, but studio classes probably not, unless people can be widely distanced from each other. The clubs are gonna be open for 60 minutes at a time and then closed for 30 minutes after each 60 minutes to be deeply cleaned. God, that is crazy. That's gonna kill, that's gonna totally kill them. It's gonna put everybody on the hustle, right when they get in there, you gotta be super efficient in your workout. And then what about like taking your time when having a shower, like doing all these kinds of things? Well, all closed, showers and stuff like that. Yeah, all wet areas are closed. No sauna, no steam, no pool, no showers, just locker room. Now think about this way, who are the only people that you can think of that are going to go to a gym that says it's open only at these hours, closed at these hours, so you have to show up at the hour if you wanna get a full workout, you have to deal with the fact that things are spaced out. Who are the only people you can think of that are gonna show up? You're a natical gym, bro. That's it. And how many of their members are that? Well, and what I'm curious about is how, because the way they're doing it to where it's organized is I believe they have apps or ways to sign up for a time. Correct. So they, let's just say, based off the square footage and the spacing, they can allow, for argument's sake, 150 people in from hours, 6 a.m. to 7 a.m. So they'll do a app or do some sort of a register ahead of time. And when you have a member base that is massive with thousands of people, I would think that people would try and register all their times that they want in there and then what would end up happening is the reality is a lot of people don't show up, but then you have people that are signed up for that space. And then what happens to the other 900 plus people that weren't able to get into that? Like, you gotta think they canceled their membership. I think what they're probably gonna do is they're going to have signups, maybe limit how many times you can sign up and then they'll probably have, where you could show up. You know, when you buy, you're waiting for a space to open and they're like, look, we have reservations, but if you want, you can wait in case somebody doesn't show up. What a clusterfuck. But here's what I think. I think if this continues to go, you're gonna pay more for times and less for other times. Primetime, 4, 5, 6 o'clock at night when everybody's trying to work out, I would assume it's probably gonna be expensive. And if you wanna work out at like noon or 9 a.m. or 10 a.m. when nobody's in the gym, then you're probably gonna be left. What a headache though if you're running this, right? Like poor Mark, I mean, we talked about how each county is different, let the rules are. And then to put all these things in place for it to potentially be ripped right back down in, you know, six months or whatever. Well, think about the management. When you're managing one of these gyms, you know, how much of your time now is gonna be dedicated to making sure social distancing, cleaning the gym. Oh, so many people shut up, sorry, you can't come in. Oh, now we have some space. Like that's a lot of time taken away from marketing, sales, training, development, all that other stuff that you need for successful time. Trying to abide by all these rules will definitely shut down a lot of those efforts. Now every day I go for like a long walk in my neighborhood and a lot of people, we talked about this at their garages open and you see dads like woodworking and doing stuff. And I don't know if this is, you know, you know when you buy like a car and it's a certain color or a model and you're like, I'm the only one that has it and then you see it all the time. So I don't know if I have that bias right now but it seems like so many people now have these cool garage gyms. I got all these people with their doors open, I walk by and I'm like peering in and I probably look like some creep, especially with the mustache and I'm staring. You're in the bushes. Yeah, like looking into people's garages and she'll also walk by, I forget, I'm like, God, I probably don't. Honey, take the kids inside. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Some weird mustache guys staring at our garages. You guys barbecuing? Yeah. The mustachioed guys. So I don't know if it's my own bias because we've been talking about it. We know that the increase of at-home gyms, I don't know if those people had those gyms in their garage, you know, a year ago and I just happened to see it for the first time but it seems like so many more people are training inside their home or their backyard or whatever now. So it's gonna be interesting how people just keep doing that. Dude, the equipment has been so scarce. I've seen people actually make out of wood like squat racks and they've tried to like- I've seen pull up bars done now. Two by fours. I would never even have thought to do that. And kudos to you for, you know, being inventive but it's like, come on. Like, it's just crazy to me that it's so scarce right now. Oh, this is such a weird time. There was, I read a story of a lady who owned a hair salon and she opened it. The cops came and said, somebody rat her out which is, I think you're a piece of shit. But anyway, she had to close it because they said you can't have any of these non-essential businesses open. And she's like, I have kids. I'm not able to pay my bills. I have other people in here who pay to use the space so that they could cut people's hair or whatever. They have kids. We're not able to pay our mortgages. Some of these people are not eating dinner so they could give food to their kids. She's like, I'm sorry, I'm staying open. And so she was, they sent her to jail. Well, so she went to court and believe it or not in all places at Texas. Okay, so I was just gonna bring up at Texas. So someone in our forum, Rantz, he went to a gym just the other morning, I guess that opened up even though they're not supposed to. And he said that cops were chasing everybody out. Yeah, dude. This is a weird time because I get it, but you gotta be very careful because, I mean, how can you throw someone in jail who they're not stealing what they're trying to do is support and pay for and take care of their family. And the people going to see her and her herself, they're the ones willingly taking their own lives at risk. And I get the whole like, we don't want it to spread around the community, but man, that's a weird, difficult position. And weren't we releasing prisoners too here in California? They just, they're releasing sex offenders and shit. I saw your meme about that. Oh my God. Yeah, talk about a backwards idea. Oh, by the way, three of them, three of the sex offenders that they got released, each one of them went back because they either did something terrible, terrible crime because they released them. Oh, no way. Yes. Did you see the thread that I was in on our forum going back and forth with somebody who's in real estate that was saying that the claims that are going around about real estate being hurt right now and stuff isn't true. And I was trying to say that that's what I'm most interested to watch because of all the forgiveness on the mortgages and the moratorium on foreclosures. And he was like debating with me that, oh, that's just the small, the small handful of states that have those things going on like California. I'm like, California is like fucking, our economy is bigger than most countries. So if we go down, the whole country gets hurt, bro. You know what I'm saying? Just so you know, that's the 31st of this month. So the 31st of this month, they pull that moratorium. So as of right now, there's tons of people that are not paying rent and not paying mortgages and we're not seeing the repercussions of that yet. Now, you can see small indicators what we've been watching with Redfin and Zillow, we're seeing the houses like just get priced more aggressive, more aggressive and more and more of them hitting the market. But man, watch what happens at the end of this month when they pull that moratorium and all the people that own a lot of these houses that haven't been collecting their rent from renters that aren't paying start kicking all these people out. There's over 30 million jobless claims. 30 million. Yeah, over 30 million and it keeps climbing. It's getting crazy. I was having a conversation. That's higher than Great Depression numbers, right? Percentage-wise? I don't know if it is more percentage-wise but it's the highest we've ever, I think that we've recorded. Now, during the Great Depression, they didn't record necessarily numbers and stuff. They're all estimates. But I think since we really started paying attention to the numbers, I think it's one of the highest ever that we've ever experienced. Do you know that, Doug? Are you looking at the stats up right now on that? I thought I heard that. I thought I heard that we were on pace right now, percentage-wise. Obviously, a lot more people today than there was. And the difference is that that was caused by terrible market signals. This is caused by laws. And there's a virus that's out there but most of it's been caused by laws that say you can't open. It's funny, I was having this conversation with a friend of mine who is also a son of immigrants. And we were talking about, so I watched, you know, there's that Milton Friedman series, Free to Choose. And every once in a while, I'll watch it. And there was, I think it was a second episode. By the way, if you're into this kind of stuff, it's an old series, but it's on YouTube and it's absolutely brilliant. And there was a, one of the episodes was showing all the immigrants that were coming in, you know, in the early, you know, 1900s. And I'm watching that. And, you know, I'm remembering that. In those days, there were really no, there was no, there were no laws of immigration laws. Like if you came here, you were here. And you were on your own, but you were freed to build your life and do what you wanted. And most of the immigrants came from Europe. And it's funny, I was talking with my friend and he goes, you know, when I bring that up to people, people say, oh, they were all Europeans. That's why it worked so well. And everybody got along. And I'm like, this is the stupidest thing I ever heard. Europe, especially back then, was so, each country was so, I mean, they went to war. It was world wars two times amongst European nations. So to, to assume that just because, you know, Germans, Italians and Irish are coming. Oh, they're all European. Therefore, they're all gonna get along. That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. The reason why they all got along is because all of them had the same idea when they came here, which was, I, you don't bother me. I don't bother you. I'm here to, I value the freedom to pursue my interests. And if we work together, great. And if not, then we leave each other alone. And that's what made it work. And so there's still that, that, I think a little bit of that vein left in this country, which is why I think you see people protesting and saying, hey, you know, I want to, I want to take that risk and I want to be open. Now, are you, are you and Justin both still, is it still homeschooling right now? What's going on with that? Yeah, they're not opening till the end of, till next year. And when is school like in for you guys? And what's that looking like? I'm pretty sure it's, it's in August. Like the, like the mid August is when they're going to reopen the schools and kind of bring everybody back as far as we know. And I had mentioned that they were trying to look into even like Gavin Newsom was trying to make it. So like during, you know, the summer, the kids would come back. So just in case the pandemic sort of came back and they had to go through the skin, which to, to our benefit, thankfully that they ruled against that. So they're doing August because it's like, okay, so we figured out how to do this at home. So now if it does happen again, and you know, there's a resurgence of this, it's like, okay, well, we've dealt with this. We kind of know what this looks like. So I guess it'll be at home now. Have you guys seen some of the latest polls on, on this topic? No. So, so some of the latest polls are showing that 52% of people now have a positive, they think positively of homeschooling and are maybe considering it. So this could very much, this situation could very much cause way more parents to say, you know what? I could see that. I prefer homeschooling to the system where I send it. I think it's bumpy at first, right? Just like anything. I mean, it's creating and establishing what that looks like with the ritual of like, I'm getting up, I'm productive and between these hours, they have enough, you know, free time here. Like you just got, you have to kind of feel that out between whoever's like, you know, whoever's watching the kids and what the kids are, how they stay focused. Now you both have had a good experience though with your schools as far as like, cause I would think that would make a big difference as a parent right now is, you know, do you have a good school system that's providing direction and support for you guys versus maybe some that don't? Like, I don't know. Have you heard any of your friends or any other people that may not be experiencing? Like, cause you guys seem to have worked out a system and you like- Yeah, I don't think, what I don't think is I don't think you're gonna see more people homeschool than send kids to school, but you're gonna see a larger percentage than you maybe have before. I mean, the poll literally says- Well, it's not what that would mean. No, more than they did before. So let's say that there was, let's say 5% of kids are being homeschooled before this happened. You're probably gonna see it go up pretty significantly. Like the poll actually says that 52% of parents now have a more favorable opinion of homeschooling. That's a big, that's a very, very big jump. I was having this conversation with my son. We were going on a walk and he's like, you know, he goes, the school system's kind of not smart. I said, what do you mean? He goes, well, why? It's exposing a lot, isn't it? He goes, I get when they teach you all these general things, but after a certain point, he goes, the modern, and I'm, you know, this makes me, so my kid talks like this. I think I want to cry, you know. He goes, you know, the modern workforce is very, very heavily based around specialization. Like most people's jobs don't include, like doing a lot of different things. He said, most jobs are you do one or two things really, really well. He goes, it makes no sense. He said, what they should do is if a kid is good at like math and science, and he learns like really, you know, kind of some basic history and stuff like, why don't they devote all their time on math and science? Since that's what the modern workforce looks like, or, you know, whatever. And I said, yeah, I said, you're totally right. That makes way too much sense. Yeah, and that's what home, that's homeschooling if you, there are ways you could do that where you, you focus your child's education on the special, on you, what you see their talents and their interests are, and you probably were produced. Domenico for president 2050. Yeah, right. Unlikely. Not with my big mouth. First question is from Zach D.P. How detrimental is alcohol to weight training? How much is too much? You know, this is a very common question as a trainer that we get all the time, right? Do you guys remember getting this all the time from clients like, you know, I have this goal, but how do I, how do I? I can't get past this point, I'm sorry. I have to point out the help in the room. Zach D.P., come on, guy. It's probably not what it means, but it's fine. Let's move on. We're like, we're like, we're like a little kid, dude. We're like kids over your camp, okay. All right, sorry. You guys are talking with me. I'm like, what do I not know right now? Shake it out, shake it out. Yeah, no, all the time I would get clients and people asking me about, I used to get this one a lot like, you know, oh, you know, I definitely want to lose weight this and that, but make sure that, you know, I have five glasses one a week. No, I used to be, I had clients that would say, that was their thing was like, listen, I'll do whatever you tell me to, but I'm not giving up my wine at night or I'm not giving up my Scotch or whatever it is. And it's like, you know, I don't know if I've even figured out or the best way to answer this to clients, but I do know this, like if you have that attitude of, you know, that you need to be drinking or you have to be drinking, normally that person is not very successful at achieving their fitness goals. It's not to say that there are not people that have found ways to integrate alcohol into their lifestyle and still maintain it. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is the people that come in. They have that attitude. Yeah, exactly. They have that attitude from the gates that say, I'm not willing to give X up or I'm not giving these days up and how do I figure out a plan to integrate that? If you come in with that, 99% of those people failed at getting to their goal. Now, if you were open to, hey, I can totally get rid of it, whatever it takes to figure out or get to my goal and then hopefully one day I can start to integrate it into my lifestyle, those people have some success. Well, it's always, yeah, it's, I mean, it may not have that big of an effect overall, but like I've noticed training people, it's always like one thing. It's that one thing that is on that list of like untouchables, like everything but this. And I'm not gonna give up those snacks because I live and die for those every day when in fact that was the one key that if we finally addressed that like a couple years later, like they're finally okay to do that. And then they had like this crazy transformation. Yeah, it's not even necessarily the alcohol itself. I think it's the attitude because I will say that look for the most part, for the most part, alcohol consumption is going to reduce your body's ability to build muscle, burn body fat, adapt, all that other stuff. Now there are small, there's a small percentage of times when some alcohol is going to actually be better for your health. Now I'm not talking about the physical, physiological health benefits of alcohol. There's some studies that suggest maybe there's some of that, I don't believe that. What I think is if you use alcohol occasionally because you're connecting with friends and family, it's part of a religious ceremony. It's something that you're doing with your spouse and you're enjoying, it's your anniversary. That is good for a segment of your health which then can contribute to general overall health. But that being said, physically speaking, there's no benefit from alcohol. And when it comes to building muscle, it's mostly detriment. Well, I look at that, there's a few reasons for this. And one of the reasons is it's completely empty calories. It's just, it's not- There's no benefit. There is no benefit for it towards you burning more body fat or building more muscle. And the reality is that most people don't get enough of what they need as it is. How often did you guys ever evaluate a diet and go, man, you hit all your macro targets, that's great. Never. You never did. In fact, we always advocate for, before you take anything away from anybody's diet, no matter how shitty their diet is, is to start to add things into the diet that they need. So if you already are lacking in nutrients and then you're adding something that's taking up potentially 200 to 500 calories, depending on how much alcohol you're drinking, you make it really, really difficult to get what your body needs. And then you add in the behavioral things that happen with it. Normally, when you drink, you have a tendency to want to eat foods that are also not as advantageous for your goals. And then the after effect of the next day. The next day, a lot of times, I feel like trash because I drank and I was ingesting something that didn't serve my body. And then the motivation that I lacked to exercise next day. You know, it's funny too. The harder you have challenges with food, the more you have to willingly prevent yourself from binging or overeating, the more likely you are to do those things when you drink alcohol, because alcohol is a classic, classically reduces inhibitions. This is why the joke's about sleeping with people that you normally wouldn't when you're drunk or, oh, I did that crazy thing or I did karaoke when normally I wouldn't go up and sing on stage. It lowers your inhibitions. And so if you have this relatively, if you don't have a great relationship with food and if it's always kind of a struggle, you're probably more likely to eat really crappy food when you drink alcohol because it lowers inhibitions and now you feel like, hey, I'm not gonna stop myself anymore, I'm gonna do whatever I want or whatever. So it tends to do that. I'll tell you this, okay, that all being said, okay, if you have a healthy relationship with alcohol, you're using it appropriately, it's not an abuse or whatever, one thing you could do is you can really mitigate a lot of the negative effects from it by kind of manipulating how you use it. And one of the biggest things you could do, one of the most important things you could do is not drink late at night. That is a big one because what you're doing by drinking late at night is not only are you drinking alcohol, but now you're interfering with sleep, so now you've just doubled all the damage. I learned this as an adult. When I was younger and we'd go out drinking to be at night and then I come home and you have crappy sleep and whatever and then you wake up and you feel like, and I remember as an adult, when you're an adult, you kind of be like, hey, let's go hang out, it's noon, let's go to a bar or whatever. And then you drink during the day and then you five, six o'clock rolls around, you stop drinking, you sober up a little bit and then your sleep is a little bit better. So that's one thing you could do. Yeah, no, sleep, it's terrible for sleep. And I think there's a high majority of people that use alcohol after work as a way to cut the edge off and to kind of relax. And it's sort of like, it becomes a bit of a ritual, even if it's just one or two glasses, which then can kind of compile later. That could be the start to that. But looking at that as a potential, this could become a habit that you form. Like this is my go-to to relax. And so it's the behavior side of that that I always try to pay attention to and it's not benefiting you in terms of anything else. Like it's gonna take away from your sleep, it's gonna take away from your performance in the gym. So I try to look at alcohol as something that I use as a treat. So it's like, I'm looking forward to it, you know, I'm gonna go and I'm gonna hang out with my friends, I'm gonna celebrate something, like that's where I wanna use alcohol. No, we all openly admit to having an occasional drink. In fact, we partnered with a company like Zbiotic. Do you think, Sal, that what makes the Zbiotic so impactful is the fact that it helps with the sleep? Do you think that's what a majority, because that's what I notice when I use that, right? I don't drink that often. It's not a sleep aid. So it's not that it makes you sleep better. It's a genetically engineered bacteria that produces an enzyme that breaks down a negative byproduct or buildup that's caused from alcohol metabolism called acetyl aldehyde. And what this stuff does is it builds up and typically your liver creates the enzyme that can destroy it or can break it down. But what happens when you drink alcohol is you build up more than you can break down. So you get this over, you get this buildup of this byproduct of alcohol. And what are the symptoms of acetyl aldehyde buildup? Inflammation, headaches, terrible sleep, bad gut, your gut is throwing, all this stuff that we would classically label as a hangover. So Ziba, and look it, I'll tell you what right now, when I, when this company, we, I initially heard about this company through an article that I read about this product and how the author tested it and other people tested it and thought it was amazing. I talked about it on the podcast. The company heard that we had talked about it and contacted us and sent us some samples. And I was extremely skeptical. I'm like, okay, whatever, let's see if this actually works. It is eerie. It is eerie how well that it works. I mean, we even did a video where Adam, Justin, myself and Doug played a drinking game and like idiots, we modified the rules thinking it would be better. In reality, what we did- To the absolute extreme. Yeah, we was done. What we did was irresponsible. We went way too far. I had never been that drunk. I don't think I've been that drunk in 10 years or longer. And we did, but we did the Zbiotics. And the next day, normally the way I would feel would be like I need to stay home from work, sick, like really, really bad. Instead, I felt like a little tired. I didn't notice, I didn't feel. And it had to be because, and I've used ever since then, I've used Zbiotics a few other times. So I'd said drinking during the day instead of at night. Zbiotics is the first product I would say is one way you can mitigate some of the negatives, especially if fitness and health is a priority for you. Drink that, then have your drinks and you're gonna notice a difference. But to Justin's point, the thing that you have to be, and this just takes self-awareness on you. If you are the person who it's become a behavior or a habit, or it triggers you to say you can't have it or you shouldn't have it, and you have a problem with saying, hey, I can go weeks or months without having alcohol in my life, there's an issue there. And I mean, I don't care if it's, we're talking about alcohol right now, but it can be talking about anything. We've talked about this before. If you have a problem, it has control over you. You don't have control over it. Next question is from Joey Dominic41. I'm about to finish Maps Anabolic and I'm feeling great. I want to start Maps Aesthetic. Should I take any time off in between? Oh, it's perfect progression. The programs, we designed the programs like personal trainers first. We did not design the programs like marketers first. So let me explain, right? When we created these workout programs, the idea was to think about how, what would the average person need? And then how would we progress them? Because working out and training your body is a lifelong pursuit. And through that lifelong pursuit, you learn what works for your body. You learn how to apply certain principles, how they work for you. You learn how to manipulate them and use them. You figure out how to use the tool of resistance training appropriately. And through that process means, if you want to really go through that process, means you work out many different ways with other goals in mind. And so our programs are meant to be followed one after another. Maps Anabolic is a very good foundational strength and muscle building program. Like it's a very, very good solid foundational program for strength and for muscle building. Maps Aesthetic is like Maps Anabolic just much more advanced. So if you've done Maps Anabolic and you've followed the program two or three times and you're ready for more volume, more work, next level, more of a bodybuilding spin to your program, then you go more than you go Maps Aesthetic. But all of them are designed to be able to follow one after another. Yeah, we wrote, you did a thing where I think Rachel saved it on the highlights on the main page. So we get a, and I wanted, that's why I wanted to pick this question is so we could share on the podcast because I don't think we have and we get questions like this a lot. Especially when I do my Q and A, I answer a lot of these questions. And she, I wrote, Sal sat down and wrote out, you know, the way we created them, the natural progression from program to program or if you have specific goals, like ideally what programs would you couple together and what order. And so if you go to the Mind Pump Media IG and you look at the saved highlights, those saved stories or whatever, there's a whole bunch of different examples of whatever your goal may be, what programs would fit best, or if you are planning on going through all of them, what is the consecutive order that you should follow? Right, now I will say this for people listening, one of the best things you could do for your fitness is to sit down and write out and construct yourself a workout. And every two to four months, change your workout and the change isn't just the exercises, that's part of it, but the change should be your goal, your target goal. So if your target goal for this three months is maximum strength in the three lifts, the bench press, squat and deadlift, you design your program around that, then the next program you create for yourself after that three months is over might be, okay, now I'm looking more for athletic performance, maybe some better mobility, I'll do that for the next three months. And then after that, you can say, okay, I think I'm gonna train now more like a bodybuilder, I'm gonna sculpt my body. And what that produces over time is superior results and a great balanced physique because one of the ways you plateau is by hammering the same goal over and over without changing a little bit. And we wrote the programs with the same concept of how we would train clients towards the end of our career, right? At the beginning of our career, I think we fell into a lot of similar things that other personal try, but it is a culmination of all three of ours experience and when we wrote it, we wrote it within mind thinking that the idea is to give, not only take you through something but also give you the tools to where you can create a program. So probably the most common thing that people buy is our RGB, which is the, you know, MAPS anabolic, MAPS performance and MAPS aesthetic bundle that we have together. And the idea is that is to take you through about a year's worth of training on how we would transition and phase you through all the different types of modalities regardless of what your goal is and it'd be most beneficial. Most people that have gone all the way through, all three of those, get the concept of how you now put together your own program. It takes a lot for the consumer to trust, put their trust out there and to do something that's uncomfortable and they're unfamiliar with. And so again, yeah, we try to write something that, you know, would first and foremost would appeal to what your goals are and what you're trying to accomplish, but also introduce you to new concepts, new ideas, new ways of moving your body that will even take you even further so you'll never reach that plateau period where it's like, man, I'm just not getting the kind of results I was getting before. We try and take you along that journey so you just keep going and keep moving forward. Next question is from Nathaniel L. Watson. How do you turn your focus on how you feel instead of how you look? Well, okay, there's two ways that this will happen for you. So if you are very, very, very focused on how you look and that's really your main driver for working out. And that's your main driver for working out. You're not going to move out of that space unless you're forced to. So what I mean by that is your health suffers. Your looks suffer terribly because your health is suffering. You've got terrible digestive issues or acne or injuries and, you know, and I've talked to many people like this where they were just so focused on how they look and at some point everything fell apart. And then they were like, you know, kind of you hit your knees and you're like, all right, I give in. I'm going to focus on my health and how I feel. Here's the other way you can do that. If you don't want to reach that point, okay? The other way you can do that is, yeah, you could definitely change your, completely shift your paradigm. Good luck with that. That's definitely the great way to do it. It takes a lot of work. Or you could do this. You could sell yourself a little bit. And this is how I'm going to sell you right now on why you should change this. If you focus on your looks, if that's what drives you with your workouts and nutrition, you will eventually have health consequences. When your health is poor, your looks suffer. So if you focus on your looks, the end result is you get terrible looks. If you focus on how you feel in your health, the side effect of that is looking great. And if you always focus on your health, then you will always have a greater, a good deal of good health. And because again, because of that, you'll have better looks. So this is how you sell yourself. I want the best looks. I'm going to focus on how I feel because that produces the best looks. That's the secret. And again, if you don't do that, at some point, you will get forced to move in that direction. I think this is a lifelong pursuit. I really do. We talk about it at Nauseam on this podcast. And I still find myself still to this day being challenged in that area. I don't know if it will ever end for me, especially if it's something that is a deeply rooted insecurity. If it was what drove me into this space in the first place was to train because I felt like I was a skinny guy, more than likely, most of my fitness life, I'm going to be challenged with that one way or another. In fact, yesterday I was texting back and forth with Mark Bell. He had reached out to me and just asked me how things were going. That guy really likes you. Yeah, he does. He's a good friend and a big fan. Especially your new mustache. He seems to be nudes all the time. I don't know what to say to that. Thanks, buddy. So he's texting me back and forth. We're talking about fatherhood and then he asked me about my training, you know, how's your training and how's the gym going and stuff. I said, you know, I've reframed my goals right now. I said, you know, by no means am I the impressive men's physique athlete right now at all. And I know that part of that process, I know I'm directly challenging my own insecurities to do that. Like, and I said to him, I said, you know, right now it's about having energy to, when I come home to be able to play with my son to have good rest as much as I possibly can to feel mobile so that I don't get, my back doesn't give out on me when I'm holding him or when I'm down low playing with him. So I've focused on those things right now. So I said on a bad week, you know, I may get one or two like strength training sessions, but coupled with two or three days of mobility and tons of long walks right now that I spend with Katrina and Max. And I mean, I can't tell you how good I feel about my overall health right now and my relationship with my partner, my son, all these other aspects that I think are important when you talk about your overall health journey. But when you look at me, I don't look anywhere impressive. In fact, the average person that, you know, may have dropped in on my Instagram a couple of years ago, then drops and now would go, oh my God, what's happened at him or he's fallen off. And it's like, no, I just, I've shifted my focus of a look and it's more about other aspects of my journey, but it doesn't mean that that's not challenging. I mean, it's still something that I have. And part of me doing that is letting go of that and challenging those versus trying to hold on to, oh my God, I used to look this way or throwing back pictures of what I used to look like on posting on Instagram to make myself feel better about myself. It's like, no, instead, I'm going to embrace the physique that I have right now because by no means is it bad. It's just that it's my insecurities that make me think that way because it's still as healthy or healthier today than it was five years ago. We've just seen what that mentality does. You know, it's that, it ends up being that on the wagon, off the wagon, vicious cycle that you tend to go through because it's really hard to live up to a 20-year-old me. You know, I just can't, I would love to go back and have that same physique and those abilities and that strength and all those attributes that I looked back fondly at. But to be able to focus on new things, I mean, it is hard. It's something that you have to constantly just focus on one aspect of that and try to adopt that going forward and make that become something that you do so frequently. It's just, it becomes part of your lifestyle. And I mean, it's pretty cliche to say that, but it has to be that. It has to be something that you incorporate into, this is what I do now forever. It's not something that, you know, I want to just hustle to get there and then back off and then hustle and then once I get there and look at me, but guess what? You look at me and then what? You go right back to old patterns and you start this whole thing all up again. So to be able to just incorporate one thing at a time, add on to that once you build off of that is so much of a better strategy. Yeah, it's a long-term strategy. Yeah, when I think of overall health, there are so many things that encompass that. And there's going to be times, and here's the thing too, I don't think that it's fair or right to demonize wanting to look good. If you want to look good and be ripped and fit, I don't think that- There's some value to that. Right, I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with that. You just have to be careful. You're celebrated. You just have to be careful not to identify with that, right? Because it's only one part of the whole big picture. It's also a road to destruction if you're obsessed with that and that becomes your own. And you know what's funny about this is that, and I remember learning this years ago, I went to my first like physique, bikini competitor competition years ago. I had a friend that was competing in it and he was a natural bodybuilder. And I remember walking in and seeing some of these athletes in real life and they were shredded and dieted and whatever, none of them actually in real life looked attractive. By the way, attractive, the actual real definition of the term where you see someone, you're like, wow, that's a magnetic individual. They all looked terribly unhealthy, bad skin. It wasn't a represent- They didn't look healthy. And here's the thing. Healthy people, really healthy people, I mean inside and out, are attractive to other healthy people. Unhealthy people are the ones that are attractive to other unhealthy people. Like you've got the righted out, insecure dude, it tends to attract the plastic surgery, extreme diet person and their unhealthiness attracts each other. Real attractiveness comes from being truly healthy. And that's a good lifelong pursuit because I'm gonna tell you something right now. I don't care who you are, you're gonna get older. If you're lucky, you're gonna get older one day and it's all gonna fall apart anyway. So either you learn the lesson now or you learn the hard lesson later on, but at some point you're gonna learn this lesson. Next question is from KJ Biggs. If I were to open up your fridge in Pantry, what would I see? What are the staples? Oh, that's great. All right, so... Do you guys have like certain staples that are always in your refrigerator? Yeah, so I'll have lots of cheese. Two drawers. And that is not an exaggeration or a lie because we're gonna have to Tahoe. Well, that's a long time. Yeah, I exposed my true self. I opened up with one of our drawers and I'm like, there's every fucking kind of cheese in this drawer right now. Dude, there was a shortage. I had to make sure that I was covered. Cheese, amen. If you could tolerate it, cheese is actually not bad at all. It's good for you. And so in my fridge, I'll have stuff that the kids can eat. So I'll have cheese. I like that as a snack for kids, especially if they can tolerate olives because my daughter loves to snack on olives. I'll have some kind of vegetables that we're gonna make for the day, milk for the kids in the morning, trying to think what else are staples. Bacon, I'll have meat that's been defrosted that'll probably be made for that day or fish or something like that. What else is a staple in the fridge? Pantry, I'll have cans of tuna fish. That's a good, easy source of protein. We'll have all the spices and stuff that you can use. We'll have some lemons. Typically I'll use those in cooking. Maybe some fruit, some fresh fruit will be in there. And rarely will we have something that would be like a cookie mix or something that we're gonna make cookies with the kids or something like that. I mean, it's pretty similar. We have our freezers filled with meat constantly and then you go to defrost whatever's gonna be dinner that night we'll put in the fridge or on the counter. Besides that, I mean, it's cheese, it's deli meat. It's like yogurts too. So we'll do some Greek yogurt as a good snack and stuff like that for the kids. And other than that, for the most part, we try and get a lot of the freshness. This is one thing I really respect about Courtney and her cooking. She really tries to maintain as much fresh produce as possible. And so we do this, I always forget the name of it, by the way, but it's like this community thing where you get a box of vegetables and fruit from a local farmer. And so we go pick that up the beginning of the week and we try and use it all up before it all rots right in front of us. So that's been a great addition to all of our diets for sure. So I'll take you through my refrigerator. And we have a lot of magic spin. Yes, shelf by shelf because I would say it looks pretty similar to what it is right now is what it normally always is. The top shelf is the different types of milk, like so almond milk and coconut milk next to Max's milk, breast milk. So that's the top shelf. Then underneath that is normally a bunch of things of Tupperware, which is always leftovers. We always tend to cook in bulk. And next to that is all of Max's food. So Katrina, when she meal preps for us, she meal preps also for Max's food, all his mixes for the week. And that's normally things like broccoli and broccoli and blueberries I think was yesterday and avocado and chicken. And she blends it all up and makes his baby food. So that's next to that. Underneath that shelf is where the eggs are all at and then the overflow of veggies because we have a veggie drawer, but we probably have more veggies and fruit than anything else in our refrigerator, probably Justin and Sal. We tend to have tons of that. There's always a massive broccoli head in there. There's always a huge bag or multiple bags of Brussels sprouts. I eat a lot of Brussels sprouts and normally a few heads of asparagus that are in there. And then the bottom drawer is whatever meat that I've taken out of the freezer. So we have a freezer in the garage, one of the big deep freezers that is full to the brim of mostly butcher box meat that's in there and I'll normally pull out. It goes into the bottom drawer. I know that's what I'm either prepping and cooking on the barbecue or Katrina is using the Instapot or the air fryer. We use that all the time. And then as far as pantry stuff, we really don't have a lot of boxed can type foods. Like Justin, my magic spoon is on the counter. That's my one treat. I'm the type of person. This is different than Katrina. If it was up to Katrina, our house wouldn't look like this. Thank God she was okay with being this way because she recognizes this about me is I'm really good by not keeping things in the house. I don't crave chips that bad. I don't even need ice cream, candy, all that even with my sweet tooth. I will not get up out of my couch and go drive to get something like that. And so by keeping it out of the cupboards, I know that I won't go dive into it because I have a really bad habit of like, I can't, she can do this, right? She can go have two chips or she can go have two M&Ms. How? I know. I know. Dude, that's crazy. She can do that. She can grab, she can buy a king-size bag of peanut M&Ms, put it in the freezer, and it'll last a month. If we're just like... Impossible for them. Yeah, and eat those. And that's not me. Whatever it is, if it's a treat, I will eat the whole thing if I do it. Most people are like that. I feel like, I know, I can't be alone in this, right? And I know that I choose those types of foods when I'm Netflixing and chilling, right, at night. And it has that... And I know this about myself, that I have these behaviors and one of the best ways for me to break those is to buy, not allow it into the house. So I think that's why we keep those... If I'm really craving something, I got to go in the refrigerator and get creative with the whole foods that we have. That's actually a great... I mean, that's how I'd coach my clients. I'd say don't, if there are foods that are treats and things that you think you want to have seldomly, don't keep them in the house. Create the barrier to where if you need it, you have to go drive the store and get yourself a single serving because if it's there and it's present and it's that accessible, the odds are you'll be stressed, tired, watching something, maybe you had a little bit of want, whatever. You're going to go and grab it and then eat more of it than you... We do... Yeah, I'm not trying to hide the fact. I do have some vices. We do drink occasionally and then also chips make their way in and out of our house quite often. We always have, too, on that second shelf of... I always have a massive thing of rice that we pre-cooked. We're always cooking rice. Rice is like the staple pair with every meat that we have. I do mix in, of course, sweet potatoes and yams, things like that, and regular potatoes. But the go-to is almost always there is a rice and a green in there that we have either cooked from the night before or have to cook that day and then whatever meat that we're mixing. And I have fallen in love with Katrina II with the Instapot. The Instapot has been like a savior for us. Once you learn how to use it, I think that's what most people complain about is just all the buttons and gadgets on it. But once you figure it all out, it cooks dishes so amazing and you can throw everything in it and then it makes it so quick, too, and it's easy clean. So that's been a staple for us. Excellent. Go to mindpumpfree.com and download all of our guides, resources, and books. You can also find your favorite podcast hosts on Instagram. You can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin. You can find me at Mind Pump Sal. Adam at Mind Pump Adam and also our producer, Doug, is also on Instagram. You can go to Mind Pump Doug. Make sure you sign up for his fans-only page. Yeah.