 Welcome to the Monday, September the 18th, 2023 meeting of the design review committee. I will let members and staff introduce themselves. Liz Pritchett, member. Benjamin Cheney, member. Steve Everett, member. Meredith Crandall, staff. Eric, you're going to need to unmute yourself so you can introduce yourself, even if you don't turn on your video. I hope we didn't lose Eric. I know his internet was problematic. Eric, member. Did that happen? I heard you, Eric. Good. I will let Meredith review the remote meeting procedures and process. I'm going to share my screen for anybody who has not gone through this yet. The stuff on the screen is mostly for people who are watching via Orca Media, but there's some other information for everybody. For those viewing tonight's design review committee meeting via Orca Media, you can participate in tonight's discussion via the Zoom platform through either video or telephone access options. 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If you have questions or comments about an item on the agenda, please raise your hand. You can do that physically if you're on video or by using the raise hand button on your toolbar, and then wait for the chair to call on you. In the event the public is unable to access this meeting, it will need to be continued to a time and place certain. I will now hand the meeting back over to the chair. If committee members have looked at the agenda, do I hear a motion to approve the agenda? So moved. Do I hear a second? Second. All in favor of the agenda, speak your names. Here it is. Liz. Ben. Steve. The agenda is approved. We can move forward to the first applicant for 41 College Street. Honor the Vermont College of Fine Arts applicant, the new school of Montpelier. Is someone there to describe your application? Yeah, I guess I'll start off. My name is Jeff Oleski with Catamount Consulting Engineers on the Civil Engineering Project. Also on attendance today, we have the applicant representing the new school of Montpelier. This is Elias Gardner. We also have, I believe, Katie Christosin representing the which is the Vermont College of Fine Arts. And then also their attendance in support of the application is Mark Montemay with Black River Design, the architect for the project. Unless Mark or Elias prefer, I'm happy to just give a brief overview of the project and then maybe hand it over to Mark for maybe the aesthetics and design of the building that we're looking to do here. My only question, Meredith, is if you have the ability to screen share the application plans and or architectural, if you prefer us to do that as part of the presentation. I think probably the easiest thing to do if you're available to be would just pull up currently the proposed condition site plan, which is C2.0 of the application. That just helped me give a brief overview of where the project is located and what we're looking to do here. And then following that, it may make sense to pull up the proposed renderings and elevations that we can give an overview of the building and building aesthetic. Perfect. So for those being able to view this screen, you're looking at a bird's eye view of the kind of project area. This isn't all inclusive, but what you see here is kind of the two buildings associated with the project. Both is the Alumni Hall, 45 College Street circling and then 41 College Street, which is the Bishop Hatch Hall. Both buildings previously associated with Vermont College of Fine Arts, but both buildings that the new school of Montpelier has been leased and spaced out of. I'm not sure exactly how long, Elias could answer that maybe later. The summer all portions of these buildings for the supplement there, the new school of Montpelier. If you look at the site, you can see College Street on the left. The green is further left of that. And in between these two existing buildings right now is really just a sidewalks and stairs patio area. And there's two base door access. And in support of ultimately the new school of Montpelier taking over more of this space and utilizing it more efficiently. I would like to ultimately connect these two buildings with a building addition, which is kind of the box you see right there that Meredith is circling. And then with that building addition, which would connect it to both buildings, there would be elevator and elevator shaft that would allow for 80 access of both buildings. This is really an attempt to create access to all floors of both buildings is the ultimate goal of this project. There obviously will to some sidewalk improvement with the project. So we'll ultimately have a reconstructed sidewalk coming from College Street, which is kind of the gray strip the Meredith highlighting there. Come in to the new connector on the first floor or the second level of the connector as you see it. There would be a sidewalk of the addition that would go to that part that would be different levels. And this kind of existing grades kind of operate now there's kind of where the connector is there's a series of stair grade change between there now. There's going to be some minor drainage improvements. Some landscape and can prove not much as far as concerned and changes the there's an existing pole not the lights there now and we're just kind of repurposing or utilize us are there. As far as this addition, we have some drainage improvements. You can see kind of a lighter shaded area in the back parking lot. What that is is that light is existing pavement that we can get done. Allow for some drainage improvements underground electrical improvements. And then and then repaved and so the parking and parking area function exactly as now. The only other major thing I want to point is out now is there is an overhead power line that actually right through this core. Without power a week or two ago and came up with a solution that would essentially involve putting a new power pole on the east or right side of College Street. Kind of near the right away just about the right there. And then picking up the overhead line there and then from there would all round to the back of the of the lot where because currently that's overhead how it runs right now so I think we've got a game plan there. And then really the other site improvement associated with this project is ship hatch hall kind of improvement project. There is an existing lawn landscape area in the back of the lot. Just pretty much just grab. The parking lot area. And then you ultimately fence that in with an L shaped fence that pretty much run. They're showing it right now on the to come out and connect the L sheep and then. And create a outdoor space for some of the students there, but to be something students come out. And then there'd be some ADA ramp and sidewalk improvements. That shaded area that the Meredith High Line to just facilitate the access existing back door of the building. I think that's just a general overview of the site improvements. I guess I'll open it up to boards of questions with any site questions first. And if there are none, I'll then hand it over to mark to review the building. Are there any questions on the site components. I don't have any this Eric. Neither it's Liz. I have no questions either seems fairly straightforward. Just a real quick question. Are there plans eventually to connect. Bishop hall and noble. Bishop and noble was that the question. Yes. I answer that question as I understand that the only two buildings that the new school, my pillar will be ultimately owning or operating in the future are the alumni hall and Bishop hatch. There is a canopy connector between those two buildings, which are the two dash lines you see now. I'm just covering a sidewalk that connect those two buildings, but this my knowledge is no future connection proposed there that I'm aware of anything like that. Yeah, that's correct. We haven't had any conversations about connecting Bishop and noble, which, which buildings will the new school be incorporating. Bishop and alumni, the 41 and 45 college to the ones on either side of this connector. Well, how many buildings will the new school on on for your project eventually. I will own these two were purchasing. We currently own a building across the green on 11 West street on the corner. Okay. You have more more students there now. Is it a enrollment expanding. Yeah, acquiring more spaces sort of one of our barriers to expanding enrollment. So that's, that's the hope with this project as it gives us space. Thank you. One thing I do want to be clear is that as part of this project anyways. The connector is not proposing any additional office or classroom space. It is strictly a hallway and corridor to connect these two buildings and accommodate the elevator shaft. So there's, you know, nothing anticipated expansion wise specifically related to this application, I guess. What, what will the alumni hall be used for in your plans. So currently we have one of our programs in the basement and we'll continue to have student programming in the basement and we'd like to continue using the gym for students at times and we've talked with the college about continuing to have it available as a rental for other activities. Oh, okay. I was just curious. Thank you totally. Is there any exterior lighting proposed. So for the walkways, accessing the, the addition. Yeah, so nothing new proposed. What there is now on the sidewalk, essentially from the college street words where the connector is going to be. There are two existing pole mounted gooseneck down casting light fixtures over that sidewalk. One, one we're proposing to maintain where it currently is the second one we're proposing to just relocate to the other side to the east side of the connector and put that on the other sidewalks and I will have an external lighting fixture so to speak for security purposes on that sidewalk. There's no change in light fixtures or amount or anything like that. We just repurposing that that exists in that down casting light fixture. Okay. The same thing in the rear, no additional lighting proposed. Yeah, no additional rear pole or building up the lighting is proposed and conjunction with the action. Okay. Any committee members have any other questions comments or suggestions. Are we going to see any architectural renderings of what that, that walkway looks like. Yeah, I guess that would be a good time to maybe hand it over to mark and looks like Meredith is pulling up. Proposed renderings now. I'll, I'll kick it to mark and let him pick it up. Thank you, Jeff. Good evening, everyone. The bottom picture is the view from College Street. And that sidewalk that you're seeing coming in from the left side actually exists to the bottom of the handicap ramp that goes up to the front door of alumni halls were proposing to extend that ramp to the new front door of the connector. And the connector itself were proposing pretty simple materials, glass and aluminum, and a little bit of siding on the left hand edge where it about alumni hall. This palette of materials is actually the same palette of materials we use for the elevator edition on the backside of Schumann Hall in 2016. And we've also located the elevator towards the back of the connector. So, as you look at it and you can see it on the right hand side it's up against Bishop Hatch Hall but it's pushed towards the back. So that mass actually won't be at the front of the connector will be pushed towards the rear you will be able to see it through the connector. And the palette of materials we're looking at for the elevator tower would be wood painted siding similar to again to what we did at Schumann Hall. So we're trying to be respectful of what we've already done on the campus and tied in a little bit. So ultimately is to use a simple palette of materials. That way we're not taking away from the alumni hall history, as well as the Bishop Hatch architecture and the intent would be that on either side as you look and question the glass you'll have to be as tall I'm well I'm sorry can you repeat the question. Yeah, thank you Eric may be having a connection issue. I think you might have said does it have to be that. Yeah, I think he accidentally remuted himself. And yeah, I think he was talking about the, and maybe even just the elevator tower being taller than the rest of it may have been his question. Yeah, so the height of my internet went out I didn't. You know, it's the intersection with the roof on alumni hall. Does that glass have to be that tall. Yeah, so if Meredith is it possible for you to zoom in on that a little bit. Yeah, lower image. Thank you. The height of that connectors is driven primarily from the Bishop Hatch floor floor to floor levels and providing accessibility to the three upper levels. And you can see on the inside the right hand side of that connector there are three dark platforms those are the landings for each of the floors. And so the roof level of the connector is as as low as we can make it, including some steel structure for roof support. And we've run it straight across over to alumni. The elevator tower itself has to have an overrun on it the overrun has to be about 13 feet above the top most floor so that's why the height of the elevator tower is where it is right there. We did look at alternatives for that roof. Sloping the roof from right to left so it's higher on the Bishop side and lower on the alumni side was considered it seemed like it was a bit too modern of a take for both of these buildings. We actually looked at potentially jogging the roof structure. Stepping it down structurally that's a more expensive solution and it basically requires two roof drains instead of one so. And again, for simplicity's sake. We're trying to keep the the massing and the overall form of the of the connector as simple as possible. So that's how we wound up with that roof height. It seems to me the buildings are brick right so. Yes, would you be painting the wood then a brick red or a dark, you know, dark brick red. No, we probably painting it white. Okay, because I was thinking if you painted them red, then it would blend in a little more with a bit, you know, alumni hall in particular. We found when we've tried to match brick colors and paint them it doesn't always work and they because they fade over time and I think one of the things is, you know, this this campus has an active 50 permit on it so we know there's other permits we need to. We're trying to retain to get this approved and one of those is going to involve historic preservation so we're trying to use past experience with historic preservation and put forth the design we think that they will approve but also one that we think aesthetically. The history of both buildings and also plays off some of the previous work we've done on campus at Shulmire and the, the, the new dorm down next to Glover. Okay, I don't think that brick, you know, the paint would have to match exactly but I just think it would be less noticeable if we're dark rather than white. That's my opinion as a preservationist. We could give in the, in the approval we could give the option to use a darker color if that were so chosen as an option as the project proceeded. I agree with Liz. I agree with Liz that a black would make that whole structure disappear more. To get a quick answer to my question about the roof lines. It could be built with the roof line coming in below the ease of alumni hall. You would have to slope the roof structure down to do that. We could step it down. We could but that's a more expensive option because we're stepping this the structural steel to do that. But it could be done. Yep. What color and material is the roof on alumni hall now. The asphalt shingle roof that's, I believe, being replaced soon to in kind to match what's there now or a newer version of what's there now which is pretty well deteriorated. What color is the roof and what will it, what color will it be when it's replaced. I believe it was some type of black or charcoal gray asphalt shingle and the intent is to match it with a newer version of that same material. The option to paint that connector on the left, the connector to alumni hall given option to paint that either a black or a charcoal color, which would make it disappear with the roof with the existing roof material. And again, we can give that as an option. I'm going to just share my screen of a very, very recent, like July recent Google image that you can see the roof. So it is charcoal gray, but then they've got some sort of. Yeah, there's a snow belt on it. Yeah, a snow belt that's much lighter. It looks like at least when the sun's reflecting off of it. And that's slated to be replaced with new metal to match the existing. And I think at this point there's some question as to what that metal actually is. I think I'm not 100% sure I think it's copper. So the intent to replace it with new to match. Okay, so just so that the committee members are have all the information when you're talking about what color options for that. Are you saying the snow belt is going to be replaced with copper. If that's what the existing material is. Yes. I mean, it would be nice to do that whole siding in a sort of standing scene copper also to the. But my next question, my real question was what is the dividers of the. Of all those windows is then like an extruder aluminum that's painted white or is that. That was the intent that it would be extruded aluminum curtain wall with a white painted finish, which is also what we did at the the Schulmeyer elevator. Yeah. And then the narrow bands of glass or sort of representing floor elevations. Yes. Yeah. What is the aluminum frame that's holding the structural part that holds the glass. That would be painted white aluminum is the white more historically accurate than say a black or dark color, which would make it disappear. I think the black would would disappear more than white. I would agree it would definitely disappear more than the white. The fact that the Google Earth Mary the showed is that the, you know, the trim around the window. Most of these buildings I think is a white or off weight currently. Yeah. Unless I saw that mistakenly as well as the still belt on the roof. So I don't I almost feel like as far as tying in the character aesthetic. Some type of white maybe more contiguous than going black or truck or something like that. But that's my two cents. Yeah. That was the intent. I personally I wouldn't have any issues if a darker color was the choice, but I think dark darker color would make the whole structure disappear more. I mean, you would still see the glass and you would see see the black outlines, but the darker color would make it less noticeable. Particularly when you look at the the representation showing the color of both buildings, I mean, both buildings are sort of a dark red color in the in the photos that you have. And I almost think that the black would look better. Against the dark buildings as opposed to the white would make it stand out more and be more noticeable in and of itself as opposed to sort of becoming secondary to the main buildings. I agree with your Steve completely. The black would look good. I think the wall that's up against alumni hall. I think it'd be fun to do some imaging to see if that's black that was painted black. Disappear. Not disappear but be far less visible. Because the illustration, the, the illustration rather than the photos show both buildings as a is almost a white color. In fact, both buildings are brick and it looks much different in the photograph as opposed to the representation. I apologize. We didn't have time to get the buildings rendered with the brick color. I think it's personally for me it's a question of whether you want to try and hide the connector or make it a piece of its own time and not try and hide it. I think this leans towards the latter of those two options but I think the, the other way of going with darker colors is also unacceptable. You're never going to hide it anyway, but it makes it far less visible. You'll still be able to see it just fine if somebody's looking for it but you can glance its ability to make it just as little visible I think is a good goal here. Remind me again what your proposal for material was on the for the opaque side connecting to the gym. I think that the painted wood wood siding or I think what we used it. The Schumacher elevator was a composite fly ash siding that had a longer lifespan than would. So that would be the proposal here. You definitely got me excited with the idea of copper snow belts and making that copper I think would be pretty remarkable. The Schumacher color I think maybe the color on the not matching but close to what the shingles are an alumni hall would make that whole connection that I asked about before disappear into the rough contrasting with it. So just a quick question. Would committee members like me to pull up a Google Earth of the Schumacher elevator tower that has been referenced a few times just so you can see that I can pull a back view of it from the parking lot. Yes, thank you. Sure. Thank you. I can't really see it from the ridge street side, but this is the view from. Oh, I don't know what street I'm on right now. College Street. So this is the view from the back of what ended up getting built for this elevator connector so it looks like this is a lighter color they did a required a darker paneling here to train blend into the roof. It's a little entrance, but you can't really see this from the front of the building. And the painted white siding was a response to the gable ends of both those buildings which have horizontal siding in them, which the front of alumni also has. The fact that it's on the back of the building makes a difference to, you know, additions on the back or generally considered not as important to the overall character of the building is the front that's, you know what you see from the street. So, I think there's probably more leniency when you have a structure attached to the rear, like this. I just think that the, the hold the whole addition with the framework for the glass as well as the, the framing that's going to connect to the buildings. I think in a darker color would be preserve the color and character of the main buildings without sort of popping out and being noticed in and of itself. I think we should, I think that the, again, the character of the building should be what you see from the street. And the, this addition is certainly enhancing the use of the buildings, but I think it should, it should not stand out in and of itself. I would recommend either a black or a charcoal color for the framing, something that would blend in with the brick, whether it, again, whether it's a black or a dark bronze or a charcoal color that would blend in better with the brick. And it would stand, I mean, you would still see the, the white trim on the brick buildings. But again, this would not be all white standing out by itself. What are the other committee members thinking. Well, I agree. But could you repeat that my internet keeps going on and off. Sorry, I was, I would just think that either a black charcoal or a dark bronze color, whichever is more available would be a better choice for the addition, and it would blend with the buildings more and the buildings would still be the predominant would still be predominant when viewed from College Street. And you would still notice this addition, but it would blend in and it wouldn't pop out on its own painted white. And I know that the trim on the buildings is white, but it's, it's a minor part of the building as opposed to the entire structure being white. I agree, Steve, I think I do want to say that I think the structure itself is attractive. I like the transparency of the glass and the, you know, this the metal structure the grid is delicate and, you know, I think it's handsome and I think it isn't a bad looking structure at all it's not that we're trying to hide it. Really, I mean, we're not trying to pretend it's not there. We're just trying to minimize the impact visually. Steve, can I just put in with a procedural comment. Okay. So this project is going to the development review board at their next meeting on October 2. So this isn't a situation where the committee's comments come to me and I just sort of pass them forward if it's a recommendation. The development review board will actually be the one to make the ultimate call as to whether or not your recommendations get put in as conditions on the permit. So if you do come out tonight with a recommendation, feel free to also sort of rank options because the board has more ability to make adjustments than I do. So you could theoretically give options to the board with like your first, you know, first, second, third choices, things like that. So that the board can think about how it wants to condition things, especially because if this is having to go to Act 250, whether or not, you know, they want to do something so it doesn't hold up an Act 250 approval or doesn't have to come back through the city again. If the Act 250 chooses something that isn't necessarily the DRC's first choice, just throw that out there. And I guess it's also the DRB won't be looking at this until October 2. So if you do decide you're like, we kind of want to see some options. You can see this again on October 2 and it will not hold up the DRB decision or the permit for this at all. Unless any other committee members have any other suggestions, I would just suggest that we give them the option to use a darker color, either a black charcoal or a dark bronze color, whatever they think would fit in with the design of the project as opposed to the white. And again, it's so that it blends in with the existing buildings without standing out in and of itself. It should blend in rather than stand out as a structure in its own right. It certainly will be noticeable, but it'll certainly soften the effect. Any other committee members think of anything, any other options differently? I think you're good to go on. There's Eric. Yep. I assume we're talking I've been going in and my internet's going in and out so I apologize for that but I assume we're talking about recommending darker colors for the frame framework. I like the overall design. Yes, the design looks great. I think darker colors would work better and stuff and blending in with the roof. The charcoal gray or black would look a lot better. Okay, we'll recommend either the black or charcoal color again, which blends in with the new roof color as well as being compatible with the brick. Unless anybody has anything else to add, I can go through the criteria. Number one, exterior design and materials of new construction or alterations of existing building shall be consistent and compatible with the characteristics of the existing building or other properties in the district. Additions and alterations to non-historic and non-contributing structures shall respect and be compatible with existing patterns that setbacks found in adjacent buildings. New additions on non-historic and non-contributing structures. I'll skip through that since this is not a non-historic, this is an historic building. The recommendations, that's certainly acceptable. Existing buildings shall be recognized as a physical record of their time, place and use, acceptable. Proposed landscaping shall be compatible. There is no proposed land. Is there any landscaping proposed with this project? Yes, there is a minor thing. Really what it boils down to is the both of the sidewalks coming in from either side of the connector. The south side of the west sidewalk and then the north side of the east sidewalk have a row of like reed feather grass. Just a visual break in the lawn areas, both of those sidewalks. And then on the east side of the connector on the south of the sidewalk, we're proposing a couple garden beds, raised garden beds. Those three rectangles you see there just to be used by the new school about Pealeer just for educating purposes and use. So you can see the row of those darker circles or the feather grass that I was just describing just to break up the sidewalk and surrounding areas. Okay, that's fine, that's acceptable. Location and appearance of all utilities, mechanical equipment, trash storage and fencing shall be cited to minimize adverse visual impact or adequately and appropriately screened from public view acceptable. Alterations to buildings called for by public safety accessibility and fire codes shall be designed to maintain the character of the construction materials and features to the maximum extent feasible, acceptable. The height of building addition shall not overwhelm the primary facade and must consider varied heights of existing buildings and adjacent buildings acceptable. Proportion compatibility of relationship between width and height of facades as well as relationship of width to height of windows and doors acceptable rhythm the visual patterns established by the alterations of solid walls and openings. The width and doors in the facade of a building shall create a rhythm acceptable. Roof shape and equipment. Consider similarity or compatibility with roof shapes and immediate area and seal rooftop equipment and features on flat roofs from my level view from adjacent public rights of way and from the ground level of any adjacent properties acceptable. Architectural features, including but not limited to cornices, windows, shutters, fan lights and tablet or trim and other forms of molding or character defining detailing revealing on the existing building shall be considered in the alteration of a building acceptable. Roof drainage systems shall not hide or obscure architectural defining character defining features and shall run adjacent to building cornices or corners when possible, acceptable. Landscaping, straining and site furnishings projects within the design review district and subject to landscaping requirements and section 3203 shall consider the following. Site furnishings including fencing seating and other types of site furniture visible from the street or side yards and does landscaping obscure or undermine key architectural patterns or elements on historic buildings and then mechanical equipment screening acceptable. And again, the recommendation is that the metal framework for the addition, as well as the side panels be in a darker color, preferably a black or charcoal to match the roof. The dark color to blend in with the brick colors of both buildings. And again, those are recommendations from the committee. All in favor. Speak your names. Eric on the intermittent net. Ben. Liz, are you there. I heard me, Liz. Sorry, I didn't hear you. Thank you. And Steve says yes. So. Or in favor. Awesome. So, just so everybody's aware who's on for the application tonight. The, so I'll get a copy of the recommendation form from Steve, it'll go into the packet that is distributed to the development review board for the October 2nd meeting. It's free to send me comments, thoughts between now and I'd say by next Wednesday, if you wanted to put any, you know, follow up to the committee's recommendations so that I can fold it all into the packet. Anything, anything we get by next Wednesday, I can ensure we'll get in the packets and delivered to the board ahead of the meeting stuff that comes in later than that sometimes has to just get emailed to them. Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. All of all of you. Representing the applicant. Good luck with your project and thank you for listening to our, our recommendations. Everybody for your time much appreciated. Thank you everyone appreciate it. Thanks again and good luck with your project. Thank you. Have a nice night. Okay. Good evening. We can move forward to the next application for keep Turner properties with Laura was our than when Turner. Go ahead and describe your project for us. So the two buildings at 153 and 155 on street were flooded in July. And in our process of renovating we are moving all of our mechanicals upstairs. And so we are creating a mechanicals room on the north end of the house at 153 on street. In order to give access to contractors from exterior from outside the house, we would like to add a door with a small stoop. So it's just adding a door and a small stoop on the north side of the house. I am happy to share my screen to show you all the pictures that it's, I mean, it's a fairly, I think the only thing I'm here for is just this one particular part of our project. Obviously a very large renovation project with having to renovate the four first floor units as well. This is the only part that's I think required for us to come before the. This is one door because it's the only thing that's changing the exterior of the two houses. I'm sorry it looks like the packet that I missed that the packet that you guys got has stuff a whole bunch of extra stuff for like the building permit that you probably didn't need. It really is. Laura, were you going to just share the stuff that was in the application that they already got. I can. I mean, because I can do it. I just was. Yeah, I mean, I can maybe make it quite simple for you by sharing. Perfect. What it looks like and what it looks like. Rather than shuffling through all of your papers. Yeah, go for it. Yeah. I can do all that. It's a lot of material, so I'm happy to share my screen. Is that something that you would like? I think Liz is saying yes, she's just muted. So yes, please. So this is what the north side of the house currently looks like. And this is the location of where the utilities used to come in. So this is what it looks like now. And this is my little picture of what I think it might look like in the future. So you can see that the door is replacing right where the window is. We'll put a little motion activated light above it. The platform will be about 36 inches from the door to this outside. I didn't, I should have put another thing down here. Obviously we're going to lose one of these parking spaces. There's already a ramp on this side. And we'll put stairs on this side. And the reason it was designed in this way. Is because if we had a smaller platform. With stairs descending from right in front of the door. We were worried about snow collecting in that space between the stairs. And this, the, the handicapped around. So this way we can clear the stairs into the. Into the. What will be just. Parking space. It won't be a parking space. It will be just right next to. The parking area. And just for reference. Those are my little drawings. And then. This is the south. Side of the building. And I'm showing you this because it, this six panel door is currently installed. It's, it's the door to the basement. And that's the same door that we're planning. To put in. On the, the north side. Quick questions. During the flood. How much water did you get in the basement of the building? The basement was full. We had water. We had here. I'll show you. I don't know if you can see it here. No. Yeah. Just right there. That's the high water mark. On the building right there where my cursor is. So. It was completely flooded on the first floor. So yeah, as far as how much we got in the basement, we got all of it. I don't know if you're familiar with this. I know that some of you. Here are very familiar. Liz used to be one of the people that occupied the front house of this. This property. And the river is just. To the right of where this picture was taken. Right. To the left. It's right behind the house. And looking at the picture where the. The, the doors. Street. I think he's asking for a street view. This house is not. On the street. It's actually 155. Elm street that's on the street. This is a carriage, a former carriage house. I think that's behind the house. On the road. And I don't know if you've seen Google Earth recently, but they took it in July. So we've got a nice trash pile in front of the house. In the current. Google Earth. I don't have. Maybe are you able to pull that up, Meredith? Give me just a second. Cause. Everything rearranged again. Let's see. Is that right? Yep. Yep. So this is 155. And the building we're talking about is 153 back here. So. Yeah, just zoom down. So right here's where spring street comes out. To the rivers right behind that. So. And so the place you're talking about is over here, right? That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So you're not really going to be able to see that from anywhere. I don't think. No, it is not visible. Looking back at the platform. Can you pull that picture up again? Meredith. I can pull up a slightly different one. I don't think I have the one that there you go. Thank you, Laura. Oh, okay. Great. Look, look. Now you're replacing the boilers with one boiler. That's right. Had you thought of taking that platform and extending it. Bringing the roof line over and putting a small addition in the corner there, which would hold your boiler above flood zone. Well, instead of creating. An additional floor space interior floor space. We stole a little interior. Floor space from the existing footprint. In order to create a mechanicals room inside. Just look, just looking at what alternatives you might have. Is would, would the flood hazard zoning require you to move it up if you're replacing it. And that's what I've been told. Yes, sir. Yes, we have. We have a certain. Yeah, there's a, what is it? D F E, which means. Something flood elevation. D. The D stands for. Determined. I can't remember. Design. What is it? Design. It's the design flood elevation. So the flood. Elevation, you have to design new construction to, or replacement. Utilities have to be placed at or above. Right. So even inside the building. We have a certain height above which we need to install. The. Utilities. In fact, if I can just show you. This picture here. This is a brand new solar. Thingy. Sorry, I don't know the official terms. But this is, we have solar panels on the roof. And these were just replaced. And this is obviously the, the electrical panel for the entire building. But because the. D F E is somewhere around this line. We are needing to move all of these up to this area up here. And that, I'm sure I will be coming through again at some point next year to talk to you people again, to figure out the design for the platform that will be needed at that time. To service it, all of these utilities that will be installed up high on this side of the house. And what, what about your boiler? If you're required to locate, if you're replacing it and you're required to locate that above. Flood level. Where do you propose to put it? It's already been installed at. Actually, Steve, it's inside the new utility room, which is. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I didn't realize it was going to be inside their room. Yeah. Yeah. It's inside the door. Like, We designated some new floor space interior. We stole some room from the, we were renovating the, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the all the new floor. Yeah. Right. We were renovating the unit anyway. So we just made it slightly smaller in order to accommodate the new. Mechanical rooms. Does the boiler have to be elevated from the floor. Up above the flood plain level. It's a wall mounted unit. So it works out. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Boiler gas. It's gas. Oh, great. Yes, those are nice. You can mount those up on a wall wherever. As high as you can get it. That's exactly right. Yes. Oh, good. So the new utilities that'll be in that room include the new boiler and a new electrical panel that will also be moved from the basement to this first floor location. Good, nice plan. Oh, thank you. We love making plans like this afterwards. Well, you avoid that possible expense later on. Exactly. Any other committee members have any suggestions, comments, or questions? No, I like you, Steve. I enjoy the plan. Yes, I like it too. OK, it's for me. Good. I can read through the criteria for all projects, exterior design and materials of new construction or alterations of existing buildings shall be consistent and compatible with the characteristics of the existing building or other properties in the district. And the application, the proposal is acceptable. Existing buildings shall be recognized as a physical record of their time, place, and use acceptable location and appearance of all utilities. Mechanical equipment, trash storage, and fencing shall be cited to minimize adverse visual impact or adequately and appropriately screened from public view acceptable. Alterations to buildings called for by public safety accessibility and fire codes shall be designed to maintain the character of the construction materials and features with a maximum extent feasible, acceptable proportion, compatibility of relationship between width and height of facades as well as relationship of width to height of windows and doors acceptable. Rhythm, the visual patterns established by the alterations of solid walls and openings, windows and doors in the facade of a building shall create a rhythm, acceptable. Architectural features, including but not limited to cornices, windows, shutters, fan lights, and tablature, trim, and other forms of molding or character defining, detailing prevailing on the existing buildings shall be considered in the alteration of a building acceptable. Outdoor lighting fixtures. Were there any, is there any lighting proposed outside of the door? Yes, we're adding a motion detector flood above the door. Okay. The structural design of outdoor lighting fixtures shall be compatible with the architectural design in function of the building and compatible with the neighborhood acceptable. All in favor of the application, speak your names. Liz. And Steve says yes as well. So it passes for all in favor. Meredith, do you want to describe the next step? Yeah, so Laura, hi. Oh, Laura just went away. I'll email her. Okay. So for the next application, I got an email that the window representative can't make it, nor can the property owner. The window representative was going to come. This is another one of Lucky's properties. And so it was going to be the same gentleman who was here before from R.K. Miles. If you take a look in the application, they're proposing to use the same windows that they did in the Langdon Street building. But for this property on State Street, the difference is that the existing windows actually are curved on top. And so my thought is that you guys probably are going to want to actually talk to somebody about how they're dealing with that inconsistency of replacing a curved, topped window with a rectangular window. But that's, you want me to have them come back on the second? That probably would be good to see what they're planning. Yeah, I mean, there was some information in there that looked like maybe they were proposing doing like a wooden insert on the top because at the very end of the packet, it looked like there was an example maybe from the back of the building. Oh, Laura's coming back on from the back of the building maybe where there's that wooden insert or maybe from it's a different nearby building. I'm not quite sure. But I'll let them know that we need one of them to come back on the second that this will just get bumped to then. Sorry, I just, I thought I was done and then I heard you say, Laura, as I was exiting. It's okay, Laura. So nope, nope, it's okay. So once I've got the recommendation form that Steve filled out, I'll just coordinate with Audra and Michelle because this is the design review project part and it's a bigger, bigger aspect. But I think that Michelle had already okayed the other building permit aspects. So I think that we'll be able to get this out fairly quickly. I just need to talk to Michelle. That way we can get you the zoning and the building permits at the same time. So it should be a, maybe a day or two. Do you want us to email you when they're ready so you can just come pick them up versus mailing? Perfect, yeah, I'll come pick them up. Okay, awesome, wait for the email. Okay, thanks, Laura. All right, can I go now? Yes, I think you can go now. Thanks, bye. I'm going to sign off because of Consolidate Communications, get on the internet. All right, Eric. Okay, so I'm assuming we're tabling Lucky's application till the next meeting. Getting nods from Ben and Liz. I don't, I mean, they're not here. I don't think we really have to do a motion for that. Okay. I will let them know. Okay, good. If you could not only let them know, but if they could, whatever they're proposing, Marvin does make the curved windows. So it would be nice to know what the price difference is for the curved window, because Marvin does make them. I'll let them know. Has everyone had a chance to take a look at the minutes from the September 5th meeting? You're the only one now in attendance who was there, Steve. Well, I guess we will put the, put the minutes off till the next meeting. Alrighty. And I guess with a vote of one, I motion, make a motion and second and vote to adjourn. You can do what Eric does in HPC and just declare adjournment, I guess, for tonight. Okay, I think I can second and or vote to adjourn. Well, we have two of us. Well, then Liz is still here. Liz is here. It was just we lost Eric. Oh, okay. I make a motion to adjourn. I second that. Okay. Speak your names to adjourn the meeting. Liz. Steve, meeting is adjourned.