 AM ffans yn meddyl iawn i bwysig, i gondol a bwysigio lleol iawn. Felly mae'r handlesiaf a chymdeithasol mewn ganai hwnnw i gael 이 gymryg dros unig o'ch cynaint ein sgwrwm tref, atliss, ynchewid yn ystod oedol i ar y glasgo. Roedd yma'n siŵr'r ni. Cais o'r gweithio i careersamau Sam. Cymru, Sam. Ga'n eich gweithio, mae'n i. Maen nhw'n ei ddweud fel mewn ei wneud. Mae'n gweithio i, fel eich gweithio i'r sefyr. Eich llydaeth fathiau. Mae yw'r ydych chi'n bodu'r llwyr yn gyfrofi. Mae ein bod y gallai Gwyrddiad yn ei ffyrddol yn goratau ar gyfer rhai. Mae ydych chi o'n ddegon ni'n aros i mewn helpu sefydliadau, sydd gennych ffyrddol, mae'r byw'r amgwyl o'r hunain. Mae'n ddiwedd i'r gw מאוד, ac mae'n dda'r holl y gallai sgrifiad yw ymddangos yn ddefnyddio i chi. Wrath, mae hyn yn bwysig y byddwn yn y Llyfr eich trefliadau. Rhaid o'ch wych chi, rhaid i ni'n gwybod, wrth fy mod ben i'w rhan o'ch bwysig a blwysig, rhaid o'ch bwysig a blwysig, amddangos yn anghybweithio'n ben yn bwysig, ond rwy'n gwybod y dda ar hynny, a eu dddorolion ar yna i'w gweithio, dwi'n ddorolion ar y ddod o'r gweithu.fon taeth yn cael ei wneudwyd. Rhaid i ni'n gondol fod, nid i wneudwyr gondol, mewn gwンダホu a boweron yma ar gyfer gwylltio wrth yr ydyn ni, dark most was your pleasing thank you respect in your elders opening doors for women that sort of thing you know I mean that that was instilled into us if you go to somebody's house and they offer you something except, even if you don't like it that sort of thing. Yeah how was the getting trouble yourself or anything as a boy? No, pretty good kid really. dim ydi, a dyna dwi'n edrych chi'n dweithio'r talog hon. Mae'n meddwl, mae'n meddwl i'r helydd. A'u hyfforddiwr, rhaid i'r hyfforddiwr... Mae'r hyfforddiwr yn ddefnyddio'r rhaglwg iawn, ac rhaid i'n meddwl i'r rhaglwg nad oedd nifer y flwyddyn rhai, rhaid i'r rhaglwg iawn a'i'r llwythio'n ymddangos. Mae'r rhaglwg iawn er 15. Mae ei wneud eisiau gorphone wahanol hefyd, ac am rhan o'r niwn i'n dweud, cwrs ddod yn rhan o'r gwaith sy'n dweud y gwasanaeth. O'r hwn i'n dweud yn dweud yn dweud, 14 o 15 o'r dweud? Dwi'n gwybod, rwy'n gweithio'n gweithio, mae'r gwybod i'r ddechrau o'r hwn yn 17 oed. Ac yna, rwy'n gweithio'n dweud 5 o 10 o'ch blaenau o'ch blaenau o'r 14 o'ch blaenau o'r dweud. Ynddyn ni'n amser i chi'n amserio ar y gwlad ar gyfer ar gyfer y cyffer y maenydd, ac rwy'n cael y pryd yn gallu ei weld i ni yn gwneud oherwydd ni'w maddydd yn lle fel y gyfrifiadau i gyfrifiadau? Rydyn ni'n trefydd iawn. Mae'r 15 a gynill sy'n fawr yn fawr, mae'n darllwch sy'n dda'i'r dyfanc eich bod yn teimlo, mae fyrdd yn galfio, wrth ymateb. Wrth fy modd yn cael ei fyddechrau? Ond yn enwedig i'w gweithio nhw mewn ar ми ar hyn. Wrth gwaith, gan hoffa hwn yn y gweithio hyn, bydd hyn yn rhan o'u gael s тогдаr, mae'n gwneud eich bap y ddi�onlli. Cyn cwrwch chi'n gael fanliliad er mwyn. Rwy'r gweithio hynny yn gyfosibol chynghwys i'r amser a'i ddau. Rwy'n gweithio hynny i'r amser i fanliliad. Ond rwy'n gweithio hynny â'r mwy. gallwn y gallwn ar ddi, rwy'n gweithio hynny rydyn ni'n gweithio, a'r dda ni i'n ddim yn ffant Lleol. Felly mae'n ddechrau i ddim yn yr ysgol, mae wedi bod yn y rhan o'n gwaith amddangos i ddau gweithio i ddechrau 21 yma, felly wedi september 26-th, rwy'n gofio'n ddau i ddau'r ddau a'r ddau i'r ddau i'r hwn. Mae'r m wraithio i ddau i ddau i ddau 21. Mae'r ddau i ddau i ddau, o'r ddau i ddau i ddau i ddau i 15-16, Erm... ..byddwn ni fe dyn nhw gweithio. Mae hwnna'r deud gan y panelod, mae'r modd arall ac ddod yn ddefnyddio. Felly, mae'n hoffi rhuttole iddo hynny. Fe'r hynny'n deud y dyfodol y byg, Fe'r sefydlu hyd yn ymddangos fy cwymian a gweithio i Gymru yn y prif. A mi'n rhaid yw ar y cwestiynau o'r fawr dylai gofyn fel hefyd wedyn, eich gweithio i'n gweithio. poed ddysgwr o'n cyd-dymlen o'r flynydd. A dych yn fawr. Ingoednais, gobeithio soseig, gweithio o poed ddysgwr, cyd-dymleniau, newydd, ddysgwr weithio'n ddysgwr o'n hyn fe. ryw merci i dda i'r bobl mae gobeithio'n cyd-dryf yn mynd i ymddangos a wedi bod yn cyd-dryf i chi. Rydyn ni'n gobeithio ddysgwr. Weithio i dda i ddysgwr, yna ddysgwr yma yn gl drinu. Ond oes! Mae'r ffordd yn mynd i gael Alun Brookfield, mae'n gydag i'r amser i'r rugby i'r Ffyrdd Chyffield Tiger Cults 2018. Mae'n gafodd i'n gilydd, mae'n gydag i ddechrau'n gweithio, mae'n gwybod i ddweud yn gweithio'n gwneud. Mae'n gwybod i'n gweithio'n gwneud o ddweud, mae'n gweithio'n gwneud o alcohol. Mae'n gwybod i'r ffordd i gweld i'r ffordd, mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gwneud, mae'n gweithio'n gwneudio'n gwneudio. Right at the time I went to casualty – I remember it really well. Young lad on another team, fastest fo comp wing. I was a young flanker, he was running down wing going to score a try. I went in tackling, his head went down with his head. HE went to hospital in an ambulance. .. roam an ambulance. Everyone thought I was alright, I played for about another 10 minutes and then I came off a bit of an headache. i wneud, mae'r gwaith yn ystod o gafodd arnynt. Mae'r gwybod hynny yn fwy yn y ddweud, ond ond yw'n gofio'r gwaith. Felly fod yn diolch, ond, ond, mae'r gwaith yn ddwyfodd, mae'r gwaith yn ystod yn ei ddweud, ac yn fwy yn ymddiad i'r gwrth o'r gwaith, ond, roeddwn ni'n ddweud. Felly, mae'r gwaith yn mynd i'r gwaith. Rwy'n cael ei ddweud, mae'n ddweud yn ni'n ddigon gwych. Aeth yn gweithio, rhaid yn ynchonwyr o astracon, Cymru'n hyffordd, er oedd yn dewch i'r defnyddol, Cymru'n credu ateb yn ôl,� Ionid o hyffordd. Beth efallai yna'r ddeu. Aeth y gallwn i ni'n gwneud hynny. Efallai e'n trofnwn wedi'i peth yn ysgann,fiwch yn cefn i'r ysgann. Bestio'ch cyfan yw i'n rhoi'n gobeithio roedd yn ei bodi ar amlwg, I'm not gonna keep you in so took about two years to get my vision back properly and then like I said I got back into rugby so So after that once you started getting fit again, started back playing, you became a bouncer? That was a bit later on towards ending my injury and career I got in a lot above it when I got big lad and I was out working that Steroids? No, no fat eating food man He's dead like a starfish! No, I've never said it any of them, mate. I was just big, but I got into a lot of fights and I ended up in court four times, drunkardy sordl, they used to charge you. Back then you'd get nick for fighting, drunkardy sordl, 80 pound fine in a caution. The fourth time I was in in front of the judge I knew him, because I'd been in front of him about three months before. The lad next to me was a minor who had been scrapping with. dyna, a dyna eich lle oedd wedi ei ddynnu'n gwneud. Fy ydych chi'n gŵr allan, wedi ei ddweud, a felly wedi'i wedi gweld i'w ddynnu, a'i ddweud, dwi'n gwybod i chi. Felly, efallai efallai yn ddigon ni. Yn gwybod, mae'n gweithio'n ei ddweud, mae'n ddynnu, mae'n ddweud, mae'n ddweud, mae'n ddweud o'r bwrdd yma. Nid yw'r gweithio wedi'u gynny, Ac oeddwn ni'n gwybod i'w ddysgu, mae'n llewch chi oherwydd i'w fawr i'w chawch, yna'r gwahanol i'w unrhyw at rydw i'w rygbi. Was gyddiwn ni'n cael eu cyntafol i chi i gyd yn ei gyd yn ei chyfloddau? Rwy'n cael. Rydyn ni'n cael. Byddwch chi'n gwybod, a'u ei gwrdd i'w cael eu mynd i'w cofio. Fydda chi'n gŷn am ymddangos i'w gyd o'i gweithio ar gyfer ymddangos, fel'r bwysig datyly22 o'r bod i'r ystyried, ac mae'r fysig yn 30 o'r wlad iawn o'r 450 mnwysig. Ac mae'r ddechrau yn ôl mwyaf ar gweithio a'r ysgwrdd. Mae'n golygu yn ddiolch i'r tuun, a phoblau bod yn gyflaenu eu papur o'r cwm iawn o'r mwyaf. Yn cael ei bod yn gwneud. 1 a 2. Pa. yr hoffa d如f yn y gallu bod yn ysgrifosiad ystod. Mae ganddo llawer i ddweud yn siaradau. G nhw'n ten i'r gwrs, mae'r adrwyr sydd. Mae'n ajw i'r llwyddiol â gwahanol. Macaradau'r gynigol a llwrs o'u hatfanaidd. Mae'r adrun pelchau. Mwseith o'r ad LOVE DRAE o gweithio, yn teimlo i'r ddaf, mae'n adrwyr i'r gweithio. Mae gwn i'r adrwyddiol ar y brosug,ол. Te wnaeth uch chi ar ychydig lle iawn i ymweld a chi'n awry eich gwneud. Mae'r gweithio'r gweithio sydd yn eu maen nhw. Rwy'n dod i, some rydyn nhw. Rwy'n meddwl 10 o gael gwnt. D monk o fronwch a gwyllgorol i gyd yn y gweith. Llyw o'n dweithio, o bob gyrdd a gweithio, o bobl gweithio. Mae'r gweithio'r gweithio yn ei odd yn teimlo. A'r bobl 那an yn y salon. Mae'n cael ei wneud do gyfnogi any o gyd, fe'na gweinio gael gludeb o'r geisio. Efallai yn gweithio ar gyd, efallai efallai ei fadgo'r siarad. Fy oedd yn ni gynnwys o'r trff ychydig, a'i gael ei wirio gwbl mewn i'rドyn ni. Mae wedi wneud i'n gweithio gyd fel mawr i gael eich hoffenach. Mae'n cael ei wneud ei gael ei fadgo. Mae'n cael ei wneud o'i Braина, ond nid o'r fflwydoedd yn gynghorio gydigion, Felly, efallai ydych chi'n meddwl, felly yna'n ei ddweud i'r leidio ac ydych chi'n meddwl i'r pawb i'r taliad. Rwy'n meddwl i'r ffordd. Byddai'n bod yr hyn yn bwysig, yna gallwn wedi'u gydag i'r llun o gydag a'r rhai. Mae'r cael ei ddweud, fel y cyfnodd, yna, mor 10 gau yn gorfod o'r ddweud. Mae'n gwybod ei ddweud, felly y dylai'r llun o'r ddweud i'r llun o'r ddweud i'r llun o'r cyfrifosol erawr amddangol. Yn ein bod yn ymwneud y 2 o'r tynnw. Oeddwch. Fe gweithio drww'r yn ymlaen. Mae'r ddechrau. Mae'r dweud o'r ddweud o'r gael Cymru yn ymgawr. Rha. Felly, mae'n bryd o'r proffesiwnol. Mae'n gweithio'r masarge. Mae'r gweithio, mae ar gyfer ffyrdd, mae'n gweithio'r 16.5 yn llwyddo'i, mae'r ddechrau'r masarge. You're fucking laughing now. None of my mates know this right. In the salon I was downstairs in 15 minutes. I said to him, someone like, put your fucking clothes on, you're paying full price and I'll see you downstairs. So when I went downstairs, they were like, you know what, what? I told them, took the fucking piss, you know what I mean? And every single day I went in the salon in my appointments book. It was like Mike, Mike, Mike. You know, so on. So Mike, if you're watching, keep your pants on. Yeah, so two years I got offered extras once and that was a guy, so there you go. There you go. So I was just about to say I'm in the wrong industry as well. So at the same time I'm doing a massage gig. Julie, who I'm lodging with, this is how I got around the story, went to give her a massage. We got on, she says I'm going on holiday tomorrow. Do you want to look after me house for two weeks? That's the first time we've met. So I says, yeah, I ended up staying there three and a half years. Julie worked the doors. Nice last. So she got me on that one, you know what I mean? At first I worked in RSVP in Sheffield. Like I said, I'm not a fighter me. A lot of doormen. They're not old scrappers. But you look the part. You look like. Exactly. So, you know, you've got a bit of a presence. If you can talk to people, it's that sort of thing. Like I said, when you get to know of them, there is some hard bastards. Don't get me wrong. But you know, if you've got 10 doormen, a couple might be able to scrap and rest your back up. Most of the time you don't end up in situations like that. However, I was asked by the company to go and work at Anarans. It's a wine bar opposite Northern General Hospital in Sheffield. Just far enough out of town so you don't get idiots. But you've got a lot of football jobs in the top boys. So we're talking about 40, 50 year old Sheffield United. Sheffield Wednesday, top boys. And they used to associate together in there. You know, if it was like match day, twice a year, local derby, they'd be kicking shite out of here. In there, very civilised, and they mixed. And there was no one in there to know that they mixed. You know what I mean? I used to get a few people in Philoke Human League. Like say, you're a bit younger than me. I don't know how many. Have you heard of Human League? Oh bastard. Oh, Jarvis Cocker. I know Jarvis. Right, Jarvis Cocker. What a scruffy twat he was. I can't believe. So Sheffield United and Sheffield Wednesday fans used to drink together. Right. When I said fan, these are top boys. These are people who've been around a long time. You know, they might be six or one, six or other. Match day, like I said, they'd be knocking shite out of each other. They were the proper art. They're like the elite. Do you know what I mean? Fair play for that. But back in Glasgow, there was no way Celtic and Rangers fans would fucking kill each other. I could talk to you. I was about that because, you know, I've got a mate up there who is like Rangers through and ruin. He's absolutely barming. So is I with Stephen. Yeah. You know, I'm not into me football. I just, you know, he's a bit crazy. Yeah, that's one of the biggest rival. He's in the world. It's heavy. Yeah. The whole way they could sit and have a baby just because no matter if it's old fun day, new year's day, Christmas day, somebody's birthday, they ain't sitting next to each other. It's just pure hatred. Even for family members. Some of my family members don't get in the house because of it to me support. Really? Nah. I'm not bad. I'm not bad. But my family's all mixed. My family's more Rangers to be fair. But people would fall out for years and years over stupid results. Crazy. Absolutely crazy. Well, moving swiftly on then. There were a few other minor celebrities. I did that about 18 months on my own before they put someone else on. But when I was on my own, they had a local Sheffield gangster. I don't know if he's still alive now. I'll not mention him just in case because he was a horrible bastard. And his henchman, who was another horrible bastard. Casey comes to your door asking for a massage. Well, quite possible. Anyway, they turned up one night. So the landlord, who was a nice lad, Neil, it barred him because he was well known in Sheffield. He was an horrible bastard. He used to carry weapons and shit like that. And his sidekick was equally, you know, he was well known for, he was a horrible bastard. He used to carry weapons and shit like that. And his sidekick was equally, you know, he was well known for cutting people up on that. So they turned up one night like, and the bigger of the two, one of them was a bodybuilder, a black lad. I don't know, 24 inch arms, he was massive. Stuck a gun in my face. So he says we're coming in for a drink. He says, all right then, 8.60 now we're going to get a drink. Do you know what I mean? Anyway, I followed him in. Neil saw straight away, he looked at me like, he just rolled his eyes like one at Lassers. Anyway, he walked up to a bar. Surprising enough, the pub emptied pretty quick. Neil was from Nottingham. He'd had a boozer in Nottingham. Guy walked to me across ball. Armed response in Nottingham. Less than five minutes all over the place. Delt with it, yeah. So the 9.99 didn't Sheffield. Armed response turned up. 50 minutes later, walked up to the door. I'm outside, Neil's having a rolly. That's when we first fagged that. He says to me, do you smoke? I says nah. He gave me an old allburner summit. Coughed me guts up and I felt really sort of. Sick? Yeah, sick. But quite light headed. It was really pleasant. I decided at that point that I weren't going to have another. I said I'm smoking but there you go. Anyway, this couple walked up. He's got all these boys behind him in van. Web day. So Neil says he left fucking 40 minutes ago. We gave the reg number. Yeah. Was it real gun? Says to me. That's how the fuck do I know? He says, well did you get a look at it? I says you stuck it in my head here. You can still see it mark. Anyway. That were by the bye. They did jack shit. They got away with that. I really shot by that. But that was pretty much my last gig there. Decided at this time. In fact I need to tell you. So my mate at this time has got me on to another gig. Cos I work in the doors. The doormans course was pretty basic then. It's a lot more serious now. He says I am working. He was a prison officer. These friends at units, right? They were female units. Little mental health hospitals if you like. Specialist. He says you're good at talking to people. I can get your job there. So he did. Now these two units. I've never seen anything like it. It was one at Chesfield, one at Mansfield. The one at Chesfield I worked at most. It was like a little premier lodge. Premier Inn, you know, a budget hotel. Maybe 20 rooms upstairs, 20 down. 11 lassers upstairs. Maybe seven down here and the staff. So the first day I'm upstairs. I go upstairs. There was a lovely lady about 60. Mental health nurse. Sat down about five of us. She says right who are you. So I told her what's your experience. Which was like pretty much zero. A couple of health care assistants. So we had a bit of a briefing. Everybody does this in mental hospitals. She says right there's a lass we're going to deal with first. She's come from another home. She likes to lay in bed all day. She's not doing that here. So what we'll do, the five of us are going to go in before we get anyone else to deal with them. If she won't get out of bed, we're going to pick her up on a mattress. Put it in the corridor and then lock her door. And she can go and have a shower because she got bad personal hygiene. So I thought okay fair enough like. So we did that. Pick this lass up. Refuse to get out of bed. As we put her to the floor she jumped up. Twatted the old lady straight in her face. Bang me in her nose. Spacked in someone else's face. And we were in a bit of a fight situation. In mental health then at that time. I don't know now with females particularly. What you try and do is just restrain them. Not hurt them. Just you know like strictly moving at whatever. Stop them hurting themselves. Do they get injected with anything? We can talk about that. They used to way back when. Just a drag and ass bang. If someone was having a serious psychotic episode. Same with prison. If you go back to the 60s and 70s. They get it out and just jab people left right and centre. You've had some guys on here who've been. On your podcast. In prison. That's what I'm saying. A lot of people on the other side who fucking hate screws. The cause of the beatings. They have received over the years. Listen there's always two flips of the coin. Do you know what I mean? There's always they blame each other. The screws will blame them. They'll blame the screws. I've been asked before. I've got no social media. So there's messenger. People have found me on messenger in contact to me. Here's the thing. You've just said it in one. How many people have been to prison in this country do you think? Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Rwy'n meddwl yw'r cyfarad o'r cyflawn ac'n gwleiddoedd yn ei ymddîl, mwyfio'r cefnwys ac'r cyflawn... Gwydwch chi'n mynd at yw, roedd yn fawr lle gyd, ydiwch chi'n meddwl, ond wedi cael eich bod yn rai blawd yn ymddiff yma, ydych chi'n adegwyd, ei Talking of a'u belde fans, eu treffod o'ch cyflawn a'u nob yn gweithio. Fos gydwch eich bod y gwirio misol yma... tynau'r amser, o bwysig, i'r gwanig, a o bwysig. Rwy'n ffennwyr gyda'r dyfynu, y byddwch chi'n gweithio'r gweithio'r tarlwyr, rwy'n fwyaf sydd yw'n ddadau gyda'r amser, o ffennwyr gyda'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio, os oes, yn hynny, yn ein prys. Mae'n gweithio eich roi'r ddiweddol, ac wedi gwneud fynd i neud hynny. Rwy'n ffennwyr. Rwy'n ffennwyr, ond rwy'n fwyaf sydd. Felly dyna, gallu digon i'r negativadau. Mae'r gwahau hefyd yn ym 80s, 90s. Felly i chi'n gweithio. mae'n gweithio iawn. Felly mae'r ymweld ei amser yn ei gweithio. Mae'n gweithio i gweithio i'r bydd. Mae oedd i'r wneud. Mae'r ffaint o'r rhan o'r lle. Mae'n gweithio i'r gweithio i'r gweithio i gweithio i'r bwysigio. Ond yn ystod, mae'n gweithio i'r llwyll. Fy oeddwch yn ymdag, er fyddwch yn gwybod o'r hawdd, gyda'i amser. Mae'r hawdd hwn wedi'i cyfeirio i'r ffwrdd gan y bydd. Mae'r cyfeirio i'r ffwrdd. Mae'r cyfeirio i'r ffwrdd yn bwlynyddu. Felly mae'n gweithio ar y pryd. Fy rydyn ni'n ei wneud, mae'n amseru yn y rhan o'i rhan o'u wneud, mae'r rhan o'u gweithio a 40 o'u cyfeirio. Mae'r cyfeirio ar y cyfeirio i'r hynny yw, oedd yn ddifir i'r hyn. trapped was a screw up billion for 19 years and did psychology. He took me in the private sector our course a week a week's course on interpersonal skills. He was fucking brilliant. C&R where you learn to restrain prisoners is a week of your training. You do that private and public and like saying the private sector, Dave Bold took us for interpersonal skills. Rest of it is a load of Mae'r bollwch. Mae'r tynnod, mae'r busbyn yn ymddangos, mae'r roi gennym, mae'r sgwrs yn ymddangos. Mae'r sgwrs yn yr hyn ymddydd gyda'r cwrs, mae'n ffordd ymlaen amdano'r gweithle, mae'r cyflaes i'n gwybod yma. Mae'n gweithle. Mae'n gweithle yma. Mae'r cyfrifyr yma, mae'n gweithle yma. Yna'r cyfrifyr yma. Mae'r cyfrifyr yma. Mae'n gweithle yma. when they said cons run a jail, they're in your face all the time. Every private jail will have opened up with the worst population ever, because if they said to like Strangeways or there's a prison opening up, send 15 prisoners, they're not getting the guys who run the playstations are they? The capacity for Strangeways is at 1,000. It's between 11 and 1,200. It's something like that, but inevitably private jail has got dumps on back in the day, gyda'r cyfrindwyr, mae gennym ni'n ddysgu'r cyfrindwyr yn ddysgu'r bod y trafn yn fwy amser tunigol ac rwy'n meddwl, dwi'n meddwl, rydyn ni'n rhoi, rydyn ni'n meddwl, ac rydyn ni'n meddwl gyda'r rydyn ni'n meddwl. Felly yw yw'r 1st o aethau, yn ystodol? Ond ond o'n fewn gwneud, rydyn ni'n fawr, rydyn ni'n fawr, rydyn ni'n fawr yn cyfrindwyr y pethol, ond rwy'n dweud o'r rhaid i'w ddweud i'r rhaid a dwi'n gobeithio i'w ddweud. Rwy'n dweud y pethol, mae'n dweud i'w ddweud i'u ddweud o'r hwyl. Rwy'n dweud, gyda'n rhaid i chi ddweud i'w ddweud i'w ddweud, y ddechrau o'r cyfnodd yma, yn ymgyrch ar Ymgyrch, 18-21, ychydig yn y grwp dros ag. Rhaid i'n meddwl am hynny. Fe'n gwneud, dyna'n ardal, mae Adion, Steff, Ternbill, rhai lads, ond rhai'n cael ei cofyddiol, rydych chi wedi'i rhanen i gyda'r rai o gael. Rhaid i mi, ym mwyaf o'r rhain. Rhaid i mi, mae'n falch o'r rhain. Mae'n gweithio'n gweithio. Fe'n ffrindio'r bach, mae'n gweithio'n gweithio. Rhaid i mi, mae'n gweithio. I'r penderfyn o weithio sydd y pwlo yn credu eu adeilio'u unrhyw bêl a'r f mundane. A'r pergystal sy'n fawr i ddatblygu'n wahanol ganyddwch'r cyfnod gan sydd eich gwaith, yn ddim yn companies rhyw bach rydyn ni. Ond wedi bod ni'n gwybod i'n ffrindio bei, rydyn ni chi, dyma, rydyn ni wedi gwneud eich cyllidell yma, i'r diwrnod mewn credu cyllidell. Felly, rydyn ni wedi bod wedi'u'n gyrdwydd,'o fawr ymgylch gyda, rydyn ni wedi eu amser, Not ffuc off your knob-head or Screw-boy. Mwsta-Samur. Dwi mwsta ffadawod f perché a respecten ffa? I got them well with him, everyone fucking detested him. Used to make me laugh. Not that, that word is funny. But used to make me laugh however he was a dangerous fucker. He was infor ars, and he was dangerous. I fetch Karen Kenny who was one of my nurse managers. So she's a proper nurse. Cairing, professional and all that. So sheaerslow... ...comon what have you done that for? Fuck off Miss Kenny... ...okay... ...if you need me press the bell, fuck off Miss Kenny Fuck off Mr Samwerd, so are you lifting with it? Later that day, he got pissed off at somebody else he was a personality disorder this guy personality disorders are the worst people to deal with Personality Somebody decided that he put personality disorders under mental health they should be separate, they should be two separate things I'm not medically qualified, but I have worked with these people. People with personality disorders, you know, you get psychiatrists that will give them anti-psychotics and medication. You can't cure them with medication. All it does is subdue them. Yeah, they're not going to change. They need to be managed firmly and they need a proper routine. But anyway, later this day, it fills them with shit. So he's got six open wounds on his arm that it fills with shit. Three or four days later, he's got fluid. They're obviously infected. Fluid running down his arm. We got a doctoring. He was a plastic surgeon from Withenshore Hospital. So I'm going to use his name. I don't know where he is, but it's hard not using his name. So we just call him Johnny Boy, yeah? So I says, Johnny Boy, there's a doctor here to see you. Fuck off, I don't want to see him. Just see him. I'm not having no treatment. Well, that's fine. Just see him, please. He's here. See him. We can say you've seen him. Job done. Okay, he greased to that. So he comes out and sees this plastic surgeon. Plastic surgeon recoils in horror. Fuck him. He didn't obviously swear. But, you know, he stank his arm. There was an officer with me who threw a whitey. You know what I mean? He looked at it. He's gone. He's gone away him. He's seen enough. They were obviously filled with pus and shit like that and fluid running down. Another one of my managers, Karen Bradbury, mental health nurse is there. So a surgeon says, can I have a look? No. Can I take pictures? Yeah, you can take pictures. So he took some pictures. He says to him, are you taking antibiotics? No. He says, do you know he gets sepsimi or he'll die? So I fucking die. Went back in his cell. Do you know what I mean? He didn't take antibiotics. Two weeks later, they veiled. You know, me or you, probably dead or in hospital. Seriously, they veiled. Eh, that weren't the only thing he done. So what's the protocol then for if someone cuts themself? Do you, what happens if they're dying and they don't want you to let you in that room? What's your job to do? If it had been life threatening, you know, if you come on, so it was fucking bleeding to death, preserve life. That's what you talk, preserve life. Any situation, preserve life. There's no leaving someone to bleed to death or something like that. Why are those guys in prison? Why they're not in a mental institution? Right. He eventually went to Rampton, right? Three eye security hospitals. You got Asworth Hospital, Rampton Hospital and Broadmoore. We've all heard of Broadmoore, haven't we? He was a bad case. He was a bad person on a sort of prolific cell farmers. They used to end up in the highest secure places. You've got low secure, excuse me, low secure mental health, which is literally might be a ward in a hospital just with a security key, you know, put a code in. So if somebody stood behind a nurse, they can walk out. They can get off. You've got medium secure, where people will be locked on a unit. And then obviously the high security estate, such as where we're just going rampant, and you know, that's where all the real dangerous fuckers go like. Yeah, because it's in the book also that there was a prison riot because Turkey took off the Christmas menu. Oh, there wasn't right. It's funny she'll mention that. One of my mates fell out with me because of this, but you know, that's how small-minded he is. So Christmas Day. Prisoners and food right. People will never understand. You see your adverts on Facebook, you know, oh people get fuck all. Prisoners get like three meals a day in all these bollocks. Prison food is a big issue. If you've got shit food at a jail, you know, you're going to bother. There's been riots. Blakenerst. Remember when I was in private sex, we've got 19 lads. 12 o'clock at night, the jail's shut down. 19 lads in reception. I'm walking them down to Ewing. You're right lads, where you all from? Blakenerst. Now, if there's that many, do you have what they call overcrowding drafts? If your prison's full, but you need to take prisoners, they'll ship prisoners around the country. So I said overcrowding draft. He went, no, we're rioted today, boss. I says rioted, great. We've got 19 rioters altogether. 12 o'clock at night in a private jail. So I says, are you going to riot here? He says, no, what's the food like? I said the food's really good. He says you won't see any riots. You have foods important. It's Christmas Day. Again, people will not understand why the cooking prisoners are Christmas dinner on Christmas Day. You know, I don't give them a fucking sandwich or, you know, why are they getting that? You've got prison officers who look after these guys, yeah? That is part of it. You can imagine Christmas Day in prison. I worked every Christmas Day me and I'd have Boxing Day off with my family. There was no point me having Christmas Day off to have to work Boxing Day, so I'd do it that way. It's fucking miserable. All I want to do the cons is come out, speak to the family if they can get on a phone and they've got some phone credit. Have the meal and go behind the doors. It's miserable. You know, it's the worst time. It's also potentially a dangerous time new year. He's always highlighted a risk time for a riot. So this particular day, I'm called the cleaning officer. So I've been charged with the cleaners and I'd run the survey where you serve meals. So a lad who was on our course, two pens who'd been on the day before, he was called two pens because he was always writing prisons up, giving them warnings. So joking aside, it'd be like that. He was the clean officer previous day and what he used to do, you'd order the food for the following day. So about 11 o'clock, I phoned the kitchens. I haven't seen my order. Donna, who's in the kitchens, what we got today. Now I'm expecting, we've got 200 prisons on Cailin. I'm expecting 150 Christmas dinners, maybe 30 halal meals for your Muslims and that, and maybe 20 butty bags. Some lads, I don't eat sandwiches, they won't eat prison food. Donna comes back, 160 fish curry. I says, fucking fish curry. So she started laughing. I says, what are you laughing at? She says, who's fucking ordered this? I says, if you're not look, she said all she gets is the sum total of meals that they're cooking and then they send them. I says, there'll be a fucking riot on this wing. Now, somebody who was again, who said this is bollocks, it won't happen, they were talking about Donna. So I'll tell you about Donna, she's lovely last, she's left now. So if she ever sees this, good on her. I got on with everyone, me I was polite. The odd times I had to work in the kitchen, if she asked me whether I'd help with something, I'd help, whatever it was. Some officers wouldn't. Some officers old school, they'd sit in a chair and read a paper and they won't lift a fucking finger. I did. So I got on well with her. And somebody said, you know, she wouldn't give me a fucking steam off her piss. But the officer, I wouldn't give him steam off my piss either. Anyway, me and her got on. So I says, you cannot send 150 portions of fish curry. There'll be a fucking riot on this wing. So what I did, I got all the cleaners together, I said, right, I want you to go on every cell and tell them all two pens. Yeah, a stitch me up. I used his name. I won't use the name on here. I like him. He's left now. So no hard feelings. Yeah. Anyway, I got more to go out and tell every, I said, tell every fucking cell as it stands now, there's no Christmas dinner, it's fish curry, but I'm trying to sort it because when they got down there, I didn't want no surprises. The rest of the staff are upstairs having bruiser. One of my good friends were there. She knows this happened. The SO knows it happened because I went and told him my manager straight away. He went fucking bananas. Anyway, come dinner time. The staff all go and unlock the prisoners. The food come. Donna did us proud. There was fucking shitloads of food. Whatever we left in the kitchen she sent, there was eggs, fried eggs. You don't get fried egg in prison. See people's faces, you give someone a fried egg Christmas day. There was fish curry, which weren't that bad and shitloads of food. Nobody was starving and there was no riot, which is what some of my critics said, but it wasn't, but it could have been the potential there if it hadn't been for the last in the kitchen. Yeah, and that's all it takes. People need to understand that. Yeah, people just want even the prisoners. Obviously they're in there for a reason, but they still want a bit of respect. People hate getting told what to do. Do you know what I mean? So it can be difficult. How bad was the suicide rate in strange ways when you were there? Did you see a lot of deaths? Right, deaths in custody. Let me talk about them. That's a good subject because you've asked about specific jails and I've seen a lot of jails, you know, strange ways, got high suicide rate. So some of the deaths in custody, half the deaths in custody, while I was there, were nothing to do with strange ways, right? The people who killed themselves, you have people, for instance, paedophiles, there was one lad I remember who killed himself. He got found guilty. He never accepted it. He said he would kill himself if he got found guilty and he did. If he'd have been in any jail in the country, if he'd been in Scottish jail, he would have killed himself. So people try and equate suicides to a particular jail, as though that jail is at fault, do you know what I mean? I know it's gone up since 2015 because English and Welsh jails are on their ass. There'll be a lot more bullying and things like that, self-harming, assaults and stuff like that. So the suicide rate, it could vary, it depends on your population. There's also lads. This never gets mentioned, this James, and if you say it was more than half, but let's say half the people I work with I didn't like for whatever reason, lazy bullies or whatever, 50% of the people I work with were good. It was more than that, but let's say 50%. No one ever says how many lives you've saved, how much bullying you stop, how much safety you make it. 2013, 2014, best summing up this, the outgoing prison inspector. So a prison inspector, prison inspections, people shut themselves. They can come into your jail unannounced. They can go anywhere, they can talk to anyone. The last one before 215, he said for safety, for prison staff relationship, bullying, everything, strange ways, possibly the best prison inspection they've ever done. That was 2013, 2014. So I didn't know that, strange ways stands out to me as being like a fucking dungeon. Of course. No, it's a Victorian jail. You've got to understand. 1800s that was built back. Of course. It's a Victorian jail. You know, it's like Armley, Liverpool's probably the worst condition. They're trying to rectify that. Lenny must be up there to be one of the worst. Of course it is, but I will tell you now, prisoners, when they're complaining about conditions, it's not going into selling strange ways that's got spiders in corner and a bit of mould and needs a paint. It's because they're getting banged up all day again. There's not enough staff to get them out. So if you look, 70s, 80s, bear bang up, 23 hours a day, brutal system, slopping out. Yeah. Early 90s, strange ways riot. Then they started getting prisoners out. You know, more associations sending people to work now because they've got no staff. It's going back to dark ages. They're getting banged up more and more. It's about 40 grand per inmate for everyone that's in the prison in the UK. It's just that for me, it's a system that's failing, a system that I think over 70% of prisoners in prison always go back. It's not really set up. It's more than that. I'm sure it's more than that. I thought it came down there. Rhaofinnim, right, is a rendus. Yeah. What do you think should be put in place then to try and maybe change the prison system because the numbers are getting higher? People are more depressed. People are more suicidal. More people are on drugs. More people are on drugs in prison than they are now. I was in Berlin in 2007 and there was more people fucked up in the jail than there was out in the streets, which is crazy. It is. Well, okay. I'll sum it up with a lad who lived near me under a meter away when I lived in Manchester. I've moved away now, yeah? He's a lad I'd known since I'd known him 15 years, an ex-customer. I don't like the word ex-con or ex-prisoner because if you've got that stigma, you know, it sticks with you, doesn't it? So he is a lad who will always go into prison. We had these chats, we had long chats, you know? He was a little fucker when he was younger, quite violent and that. So he's just done a tour recently, 18 months. He was in Strangeways, Foddysbank where I both were, Risley, which is a cat scene. He was in Liverpool jail. And he used drugs. He's never used drugs. So I says, you know, what? Why use it? The reason I knew, he got what looked like a big scar here, looked like he'd been slashed. I said, what is it that? He said, it's a burn. I says, what's that from? He says, taking spice in jail, passed out on radiator, four hours, woke up, full thickness burn on his arm. I said, did it not weigh you up? He says, you bang out when you take it. I says, why are you taking it? He says, you're getting banged up more and more, young staff. You can't get anything done. He's becoming more violent. So people are turning to drugs. That's why he's never taken drugs. 20 years ago in prison, he's never touched drugs. He sold drugs and took drugs in, but he's never used them and he's using now. And that's why. Yes. But again, people can't handle the sentence as they're just feeling like cased animals. So it's easy. It's easy to just go down the route of taking valium, methadone. Right, methadone, methadone. So how much drugs were involved in strange ways also? If you go to pre 214, you've always got an element, haven't you? So anyone who's watching this or anyone who might be in government, who can't understand how drugs get in jail, if offices, civilians and prisoners are going in jail, there's only going to be drugs because they'll stick them up their arse. Last resort. People need to know that. That's how they get them in. It's nothing. What would you do now? What would you do now? Is that what you're saying? What do you think can change for the prison system? Something we haven't talked about, dynamic security. That's the relationship between staff and prisoners. That's why Strangeway's got a glowing report. It was staff, prison and relationships. Yeah. And they've no longer got them relationships. You know that? Like the lad who lived near us. I've known him 15, 16 years through prison. So he knew me. You can black. You'll know yourself if you've been in prison. An officer might black that is a decent screw, but other people will know. You know, what you see is what you get. Prisoners will search you out straight away. However, them relationships, I've worked with knobheads in there and somebody's come up and said, Mr Samworth, if you hadn't been with that knobhead, I'd have banged him out because of the way he would be able, you know, talking. And also, they'll come and tell you things. Sometimes they're telling me on purpose. Sometimes they don't. But staff, prisoner relationship keeps it safe or did. Now they're going back to bang up. It's becoming task orientated. My last six months, you know, very little interaction with prisoners. You're just doing a task, go here, do an exercise, right? Go to that wing and do this. Do this. Lot of new staff. There's no interaction. You know, people, somebody might be going to twat me on K wing. Yeah, I don't like that officer. Somebody else might say, it's all right, Mr Samworth. You know, you're out of order. He's a decent lad. All that's gone. There's no, no prison staff relationships. So what they need to do is the either go back to bang up 23 hours a day, but you'll never have the staff you used to to deal with the animosity. It used to be shit loads of stuff. You know, K wing used to have like two SOs and 25, 30 staff when all prisoners were banged up. When I left, there were six on landing with 200 prisoners, two on each landing. So the either go back to banging people up and manage it like that, or they need to get the right staff, look at training and start getting prisoners out again. Forget everything else, get them out on landings. It used to be boring, James. You know, Saturday's on K wing. I've been stood with old Bob Aig bless him who's not here anymore. He was a cracking screw. You get back, eight stood on landing, you know, a bit of a tea belly having your bruise and you just be chatting with prisoners. You could see what they're doing when they're out. You can see up to is no good, who might be a bit down and stuff like that. All that's gone. So when you're in that, when you're in the system, see when you see suicides, people setting themselves on fire, people self harming, is there things in place for us to go and get help to go and speak to people or do you just go home and kind of accept that my two nurse managers and I was saying to them, nothing, nothing in place at all. Do you know what I mean? The last step in custody I dealt with, you have a hot debrief. So I actually involved hands on with that prisoner. There was three nursing staff and two officers, me and me mate. The hot debrief, there were 30 people in laughing and joking, getting bruise, angers on. You're supposed to have a cold debrief. So maybe a month later, come back, see how people have, this fuck all mate, there's nothing. You know, you go home, you have your nightmares, you come back to work the next day, no time off, it's your friends, you talk about it to your friends. Where was the pedophiles, the sex offenders, the job or interact with them? That's a good question. I never, I couldn't work on that wing. I did work on there and overtime, they odd shift. What was that like? You're on a shift. If they didn't know you, they wouldn't touch you. It was just a vile community. It was, you know what's going on on there. You get your odd person turning tricks for people, you don't really want to know that. Excuse me. It was like a den of iniquity. When you're there, you don't see it, people aren't interacting with you and because I didn't work on there, you're not necessarily knowing what people are in for other than the high profile ones. However, you know, you could tell it had got an atmosphere and like I said, they're just networking. For me, rape offences against kids, they do not carry any sort of tariff that's of any worth. Do you know what I mean? If you look in America, they're going to start with 30 years. If there's a second offence, they're getting lifed off over here. You know, I remember one school teacher coming in and also a lot of these people are so up the self. So I'm interviewing this guy, not about his crime, just giving him a first night induction that he had to do with prisoners. It's like a duty of care. You know, tell him what he can expect, what will happen the following day, et cetera. So he says to me, I know all this, my solicitors told me. He says, and if I don't get what I'm entitled to, my solicitor will be contacting a prison. Absolute asshole. You've been grooming kids in a school in Berry for years. Yeah. And he got 18 months, 18 fucking months. So he'd be out in probably seven. Yeah, it's fucking disgusting. There's boys in prison with a couple of grams of coke and they're doing two and three years. Yeah. And there's the sex offenders are getting a slap in the wrist. That's why they're repeating again because they're getting fuck all done. For me, it's dead easy with sex offenders. They're tagged for life. Fuck your human rights. Do you know all that? Women, kids and men, because some men are raped. Yeah, yeah. They tagged for life. So if you're on a tag and you go to your school, bam, 12 months to serve, put them back in. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. There was some high profile names. Harold Shipman was in strange ways. You weren't working at the time. They say he was there when I was there, but he was just an horrible bastard. He says he killed over 200 people, one of Britain's most biggest serial killers. Very, very calcated. He was a fucking horrible bastard. Not because he'd done that. He was horrible anyway. Do you know as a character? See, he is the thing as well, James. Some people irrespective of their crime, come in jail, do the time and they'll be quite polite and respectful. When I was on healthcare, some of our orderlies, they're the cleaners, but we called them orderlies because they were working in a small community. We had a lot of female staff, not a lot of officers, so they helped you out. Some of the oddest bastards in Manchester we had on there, cleaning, you know, mopping. Can I do all of Mr Samworth? Is your half good at gymit? Dead polite and that. So it's how people behave, where a lot of people, particularly on sort of the VP wing and that. What's the VP wing? Vulnerable prisoners, sex offenders. Sometimes, I mean, we put a lad off healthcare. He couldn't stay on healthcare. He was a young lad. He was only about 21. He looked about six. He ended up on VP wing because he wanted to survive in jail. He was gay, obviously. He was weak. He was fearful of putting him on normal wings, so instead he got placed on the VP wing with all your paedophiles and everything else. Was there a lot of rapes in prison? There were a few on that unit. Prison rape, I suspect, it's not prevalent, yeah. I suspect these more than gets reported on. When I was on Cawing, we had a lad. He was a black lad. He was a big lad, six foot two, big build. He came to me in the lad I were working with, can have a chat. He was obviously distressed, tearful welling, fucking hell, what's going on here? He says, the guy who he alleged had done it was now on another wing. We were like, why didn't you come at time? He says, look at me, am I going to come to you and tell you? Anyway, police got involved but then he failed to follow it up. There's a difficulty as well with the police and the crown prosecution about serious assaults that's on both prisoners and staff and such as rapes and things like that, about them taking it on. It's almost like they don't give a shit. Because again, there's high profile names. Who was the boy with the one eye who invited the police officers and shot one, dead? What was he like? Right. I didn't put him in, but you know why? I won't give him time of day. He was a piece of shit, a coward. Was he done a few murders? Was he on the run for murders? He killed the son. It all started. You can look at a point on the internet, but there was a dispute in a pub. So he was asked to warn someone or threaten someone. So he took a gun to the party because he couldn't fight. He always had people with him who could fight, but he couldn't fight. So he took a gun, let off a few rounds, and unintentionally, we believe, ended up killing a guy. Now his father basically said, because he had done it, said, you know, you kill my son, I'm going to kill yours because you had a small child. So he went after his father, killed him, and then because police were harassing everyone he knew, including his family, massive murder run. He loved two young lasses to somewhere in Manchester. I brutally murdered them. Two police officers? Yeah, two young lasses. They were two young lasses, you know, and I'll tell you something about that as well. 99% of prisoners, you know, they were like, it's disgusting. They said, you know, he's killed two girls at the end of the day. He's murdered two girls. He's a coward. They weren't in support of him or anything like that. People like him have to be handled in a certain way. They want them to go to court on trial. So, you know, they're either in sex or health cares usually, make sure they don't harm themselves or attempt anything. He was never going to do that. It was full of shit. The thing was, when he, when he come in, he was very cocky, had all these boys around him. They all ended up arguing and grassing each other up. And I can say that the last time I saw him, he was off to Ashworth Hospital because he was allegedly mentally unwell, which he wasn't. He was just an evil, horrible bastard. And for me, people like him, that's why we need to look at capital punishment in this country again. You know, it's going to cost public millions to keep someone like, it's a no brainer. Do you know what I mean? He's no use. He's never getting out. Same as the lads that kill Lee Rigby and others, you know. Well, they are strangers. No, they weren't. But, you know, people think that that there is this urban myth that there's only like 10 people who's never going to get out of jail. It's climbing. It's probably, I don't know, last time I was aware of it, maybe 400, their whole of life. But certainly like him, four murders in America would be on death row. So what's it like for you then? Because if done rakey, you're able to, for people, it might sound crazy, but feel the energies and see energies. As soon as you see someone, you know he's did a bad crime, but you'll say, do you know what, he's actually not a bad person, but there's certain people you feel dead cold in the area around that we just know they're evil bastards. Not that many prisoners, surprisingly enough. You know, I take people at face value and also prisoners react, you know, my nan always used to say to me, speak and treat people how you want to betray yourself. And I always did. You know, you give them benefit of doubt or whatever. These were some, some people who didn't want to interact with it, but not, there weren't that many that I could honestly say, hey today at Mark Bridger, he was from a little village in Wales, took the little lass, you know, God knows what I did to her. And, you know, he was a horrible bastard, slimy bastard. But it's difficult. I tell you what, I always used to say, joking aside, you know, very cliched, easiest job I've ever had. You know, come to work, have a laugh if you can, go home, no one gets hurt. But I think the thing that affected me in the end was the fact that, you know, if you are quite open and you get on with people, and you're a people person, the lads that come on healthcare, you got to know them well, you knew the backgrounds because you needed to, you know, because there was some dangerous fuckers on there. And you got a lot, like I say, a lot of female staff on that and not a lot of officers. You need to know the background. So you'd have a look and a lot of people who come on there were mentally and well have been abused and that. And it obviously affected me, but I didn't know at the time. How did the female staff get treated? Did they get abused a lot? I worked with two lovely lassers who did over 25 years. So they talked about what people would say with the good old days. One of them was 80s. They both late 80s, 90s, yeah. Proper old school then. Women weren't received well by a lot of prison officers. It was male dominated, macho environment. However, these two said, yeah, you know, loads of sexual lineandos and bollocks like that. And if you're running to, I remember one last saying, she's got a massive chest, you know, I'd be running to an alarm bell or something like that. And people would be wolf whistling and ticking the piss. But she said, as did the other two, even though you weren't accepted at first and people had like ridiculia, you know, nicknames, sexist jokes and all that bollocks. So it was still an easy job. Lot of staff, prisons locked up all day, lot of animosity, but plenty of people to deal with it. See if there was like a pedophile sex offender, someone that was an evil bastard that you've seen getting shit kicked out of them. Would there be a delay maybe to let it happen a wee bit longer, or would you try and split off just as fast as anyone? Staff would just react and deal with it. The staff, the staff that works on the VP unit, vulnerable prison unit, where all your pedophiles are rapists, that were, was, there was probably more, surprisingly enough, more female staff than male staff. Why would that happen? It was just, it was a totally different environment. It weren't like a normal wing. To say it was easy, I'd be wrong. It was a different population. On the whole, there was less incidents on there, you know, because like I said, people had just, you know, they've got everything they want. They've got the networking, like-minded people or whatever. So it was just sort of a karma unit or whatever. When you say networking, what the, in what way? Pedophiles, or they'll come in, share stories and Yeah, of course. Definitely. That's fucking sick. It is, but what do you do about it? You know, they're all ours together. You can't do anything about that. While you are working in strange ways, what's the worst thing you've ever seen? Well, probably not the worst. If you want to know what, well, I'll tell you something that affected me really bad. A lot of people would just say it was a fucking soft ass. And people I worked with didn't see it because it was just a moment in time, you know, like a car crash, where things go slower. So we had a lad, one lad I was talking about who was brain damaged. And a newest story, the reason our newest story, like I said, you come on for a serious offence, sexual offence. So we got, like I said, we got a lot of female staff. So when someone come on healthcare smoking, I would have a look what they were in for, what the offence was, et cetera. You know, you've got to keep it a safe place. So it was a young lad, a young lad, normal life, about 21. I lived with a lad, got a small baby. His mother weren't, weren't that old. Mother was maybe 40-odd, yeah? So he's living a normal life. He gets mistaken for somebody else in the takeaway tonight. Another gang member gets battered by about five lads, smashed in Edward Baseball bat. He is brain damaged. And like I said, when people are brain damaged or stroke victims or anything like that, they can become disinhibited, which means they don't know right from wrong. So it was alleged he had done something to a friend's girlfriend. I don't know whether that happened or not, but they don't see anything as wrong, yeah? But he was brain damaged. So he come in. I can't remember long when we had him a few months. I met his mother a few times because he was young and brain damaged. We actually had visits on healthcare, which you normally have visits all in any prison. You'll have been on visits. But we had it. So it was just in an office. Me sat outside with his mother who was really young. So from his mum's point of view on that, she just cried for the full hour because her 21-year-old son who's brain damaged is in prison. She got no contact with his missus. His missus wouldn't have out to do with him or a child. So you see that side of it. And then this particular day, the lad was going to hospital. So it took time as everything. What they look at is, whilst he's in prison, even though he's brain damaged, you keep the public safe because you keep them locked up. There's no escape from strange ways. So that's what they look at. So he wouldn't be a priority to go to a brain injury unit. So we had him a while. What happened with him? Because he was hard to manage. He ended up going on an officer unlock a protocol whereby he needed three staff to get him out. Now on that unit most of the time he had two staff. So he ended up being behind his door quite a lot. So he got someone who's brain damaged in a cell. He smashed his cell up. He's got no TV, family bathroom, yeah? Put a bed in your family bathroom and that's what you've got. You've got a toilet, a sink and a bed. He's got no TV and he became acutely unwell, mentally unwell, as well as being brain damaged. So this day he's going to hospital following day. I stopped. I had a look in him. Into your water on the floor he's flooded his toilet. His toilet is full of shit, paper and all sorts. There was stuff all over the floor. Wheat of bits and that. But you know in water it's all mulched up. It was a mess, looked like a swamp. He's got his cup dipping it in the toilet. It's full of shit and blocked. He's got a caran in his sink that is mulched up. This is not a religious statement this. Mulched it up. He's eating big cobbles of caran with shitty water. So I'm looking at him and he's just, you know, there's nothing there just standing beyond me. So I turn to one of my managers and this isn't callous from them. I said, have you seen him? She says he's going to hospital tomorrow. You know people are milling about walking past me and I'm looking at him and it's a sad state of affairs. Now people can say I'm a soft arse or whatever. Do you know what I mean? But this was a lad whose life had been destroyed. And he studied in a fucking caran and drinking shitty water. Do you know what I mean? And that's no place. Yeah, he just broke them. Yeah, I can't get that on yet. It's not the most horrific thing I've seen. And that's what people think. They always think they're really bad shit. You know, like the lad's self-arming. Maybe that's something that I got on with him. Do you know what I mean? Maybe it's something to do with that. I don't know. What was Joey Barton like? Joey Barton? Why have you asked me that? Yes, a good question I think. OK. Cos he's a famous footballer. Plus he's background and he wanted to know what he was like and strange ways. You know what, I'm glad you've asked me that. I never mentioned him. Let me tell you first, we had his younger brother and cousin. I think his younger brother was 18. And we didn't have 18-year-olds at strange ways and his cousin were 21. They were accused and got found guilty of killing a lad. It might have been the night and he was somewhere in Liverpool. His brother or his cousin, they believe it was his cousin, but his brother took a ice-hacks to the party. Ice pick. So his brother who's 18 and his cousin who's 21 have gone to sort this lad out with he've had bother with and one of them stuck an ice pick in his head and killed him. So we had them first. His brother was not 18 in mental age. He was like a kid. He didn't realise serious. His cousin was an evil bastard. He definitely did it. They got them both for it, joint enterprise. Do you know what a joint enterprise is? If I shoot your mate here and you see it, but you don't sail, yeah, we decide we're not going to sail. And I get found out and you get found out you were there. You can get done on joint enterprise. So that was his brother. So Joey Barton, he was on B-wing, drug-free ring. It's a bit of a joke, isn't it? Drug-free wing. It was an easy wing to work on. The staff did fuck all they were lazy. They used to pick a prisoners. He wasn't drug-free. There's no wing that's drug-free. So when Joey Barton come in, a bit of political shit went on. He came into the prison. Everyone knew he was coming in. I profile footballer. This is not from our governor. I believe this comes from elsewhere. The jail, let's say the jail was told it got to be allowed to keep fit. Yeah. I went on B-wing. I remember there's a lass. This fucking idiot come running past me and I mean running past me. He didn't run on stairs in jail. He didn't run. You pulled someone. So I shout after him. This female after him goes, It's Joey. I went, who's fucking Joey? Joey Barton. So he got a job on the wing straight away. They sacked to lad who was decent and gave him a job on the server. On the wing. So he got to eat pretty much what he wanted. They also made him gym orderly. Best job in strange ways for any con is gym orderly. You go over to gym in the morning. You wash old towels. You wash gym kit. You can train when you want. Eat your food over there. They bring you back or end of day. Premier. He ended up with that job. So he was allowed to keep. He fucking did it easy that lad. Do you know what I mean? So there you go. That's Joey Barton. He had an easy life in strange ways. He was on the drug free wing. Loosely speaking. He got as much gym as he wanted. He pretty much ate what he wanted. Was all right any grief? For me it was a dickhead. It was just running about everywhere and jack the lad. People gaining Mars bars for autographs and shit. Swagger on. But he didn't do it properly. It weren't hardcore. We've had prisoners. Prisoners come in. Oh Jesus. What's his name? Stone roses singer. Ian Black. Yeah. He was on H-wing. Yeah. As a cleaner. No preference. No privileges. No nothing. I want to know him. We also had the lad out of Apimundis. Bezz. Bezz. I know Bezz. He's a good lad. So he's fucking tiny. When I saw him he came in. He'd been in before. Again. You know people would be shouting things out at window. Oh do as a dancer something like that. Yeah. But you know came in under the radar. Just got on with his jail. Bezz a good guy. Yeah no special treatment or anything like that. So we have had people in who just but Joey Barton he definitely come from above. I don't know where he come from. But you know he got special privileges. He's going to have a lot of poo. Do you know what I mean? He's because of who he is. Because if anything happens to him in there it's going to be a shit storm in the press. Do you think that's why he gets special privileges? Because of who he was instead of look. You're getting dubbed up 23 hours a day here. You're going to get fucking learning lesson. I don't know but you know if you look at the guy's self he's just an angry bastard isn't he? He's carried on with the same sort of training ground bus stops and stuff like that. So. Well he's kept out of trouble the last few years. Someone pulled strings for him definitely. Because obviously the family history it must have been difficult for him to maybe have a new way of living. His cousin and certainly his brother. Very much so. Big Alan Lord. I had Alan on my podcast Strange Wage Riots spent over 30 years in the jail. Decent big guy. How was it with Alan that we ate in when he was there? No. I'd like to meet me and chat. I have no problem with anybody. You know what I mean? You do time. Whether you want to talk to me being an ex-crew is another thing like. Because you know I remember seeing him talking about being in the blocking Strange Wage as youngster 21. Walks across the landing. Didn't follow the line that you have to line. Go behind his cell. Someone rabbit punched him. Call him a black bastard. Prison service created people. Bronson people like that. Do you know what I mean? You know the brutality and that. And some people just keep back don't they? So, you know. Yeah, going through that kind of trauma then because he did receive a lot of racism and hatred. I just. But he's out now when he's trying to get his phillum done. I've been interested in one for the two he's to sit across and exchange stories. Interest me anyway. Do you know what I mean? Meeting different people and talking to different people. You know, Sean Atwooder. Yeah, Sean Atwood. Sean Atwood boy. Wild man. Crazy bastard. Was he ever in Strange Wage? Not that I know of. No, I don't think he was. However, do you know what? We got on like an house on fire. Absolutely got on like a fucking house on fire. And, you know, I've done that job. They've both been inside. I said to them if I had been knocking around with you fuckers I'd have ended up in bloody. Yeah, you know, same shit raving in bollocks like that. So that's just how it goes, doesn't it? But do you feel as if you've got to have that extra bit of protection because of your job? Because you're not a fucking alien. You worked inside the prison system. But giant people look at you differently. Do you feel as if? Right, the tag, like I said, in social media, X screw, you know, people are just going to another fucking bully and bastard, another typical screw. They are, aren't they? None of them said. However, you know, like Wild Man and that, you just connect and get on. You're chatting away, you go. So I would like to meet people like that. But you should because I had new woods on as well under cover copper. Yeah, I saw that. I saw that. He struggles with PSD himself. Of course he will. The egg is through a lot of shit. But he's on social media. He's trying to rectify all the stuff that he did in the past. Right. I appreciate what you're trying to do. You know, I saw your homeless thing and that. It's a really good thing. I, me, for me, it's mental health, prison mental health. So I need to, obviously I've done a book. I like another book from the point of view of screw. But if I come at it, I've, it's got to be, I'm a civilian now. You know, it's four years since the last shift, three years since the big. So I'd like to meet these people. I still need to talk about it. I won't, you know, tell me dying day. If I get a chance to speak about prison, I will. But I will tell it honest. I'm not going to pull no punches or anything like that. You know, it's not a good system in my time. And it was certainly worse, you know, when there was all brutality and that. But if you want to make changes or whatever, you need people to listen and you can't cut budgets. But definitely, you know, I can imagine it. I think it'd be great. You know, sit there with people like that. And away you go. Yeah, just shut the shut. Yeah. You struggle with PTSD yourself when you attacked and say strange ways prison. Right. Let me tell you about PTSD. So I dealt with a couple of consultants. Yeah, when I was on the seat and when I got finished. One of them said, you've never been in life threatening situations. You haven't got PTSD. Other one said he's chatting bollocks. Anyone get PTSD? The thing with PTSD, it don't want to become like a bad back. Everyone has a bad back. So what I don't want is somebody say, I've got PTSD and people dismiss it. Yeah. They've started calling it post-traumatic stress syndrome in America in some cases. And they've gone away from the disorder. I work with officers who involved in one incident that finished them, one incident and it finished them. Because you don't know how it's going to affect them. Yeah. Not necessarily a death in custody. For me PTSD, it didn't stop me going to work. I had nightmares dealing with things. You find a dead body. You see someone cutting themselves. The lad with brain damage eating the Quran. Of course it is. It never stopped me going to work. Once I was on the sick and I come away, it added to my mental health woes. Because I couldn't shut down. My sleep is horrendous. Last three months it's got really bad again. We've had a bit of change in his lives. And I think if you've had a bit of mental trauma, a lot of change, even though it's positive, can upset you. So it's a bad thing to be prisoners who have PTSD. Loads of people. Me, I put myself through, went to see a psychologist. Applied myself, Salford, saw a councillor who basically said I can't deal with that. Saw a psychologist who was lovely, who just sat and listened. All I wanted was someone to listen. No fancy CBT or strategies. I just talked for four months and she listened. Bless her. He screwed her up. I asked her midway through. I said, do you have anything? You know, obviously if you're listening shit all day. And she says, since I started seeing you. Yeah. And the writer worked with the book. You know, in the same. After the first week of doing a book, I was really fucked up, not sleeping. Because it's all going through your mind. Bring it all to the surface again. He says, well, I'll be honest. I'm having nightmares about that. You know, so it does affect you. It didn't stop me going to work. And he said, I've got a lot of anger me. I've got a lot of anger we are people are treated. Not just prisoners, staff. You know, staff should look after each other. All managers need to do in the prison services look after the staff. And it is a cold place. Do you know what I mean? There's no aftercare. No nothing like that. But what I would like to do, I'm either going to be contemplated with therapies or like someone to buy me a little house in Wakefield, terraced house, three or four rooms, kitchen and a bathroom. Staff it with volunteers who've had bad experiences. Suffer PTSD, child traumas. And just get them to come in. Men of shit at talking. Every time I turned up for the psychologist, I'll tell you now. Two hours before I've got diarrhea, I'm sat there with knots in my stomach to go in with his last blesser and pour me out. You know, it was, I found it really difficult going. It helped me the same day after I was euphoric for three or four hours. You know, that evening or the following morning, my Mrs blesser Amy and my daughter Billy be at me rude because I was a fucking beast. It had just, it was like a relief. And then it had come back. I was fucking angry. But talking about that emotion and trauma, it brings it to the surface. So you automatically feel that connection because your brain's repeating that. So your brain doesn't know which real root's fake. I can't shut down me. Things I told you, a memory from a childhood, has come back into my head in the last two weeks. Some of it from nearly 40 years ago that he's stopping me sleeping. You know, a week last Wednesday and I can remember when it works. I'm looking at the clock at half one and then at six o'clock I'm getting up and taking a dog out. And that memory is just... Cleared as dead. Yeah. So, like yourself, the homeless thing and that, I'd really love to help people. I don't think I can come out from the point of view of an X screw. And like I say, I might go into complementary therapies. But you know, like Sean Atwood and that, I'd love to do some motivational speaking. But like he says, he says you need to promote yourself and have a platform. Yeah. So, you know, maybe I'll set myself up at Twitter account. Yeah. Check it on chain and just look at the positives. Listen, you'll be surprised. You'll be surprised. You come across a very well educated man. You speak very well. Listen, you broke your book out. It's not as if you're trying to pull the wheel over people's eyes. You're being as honest as you can be. It's going to be... That's just a bit of fear as well, what's people going to think. But fuck everyone else. Because there's people like, Donald Trump's good to a... No, I'm over... Do you know what it is? You're overthinking it. I'm not faithful. Right, Sean Atwood's podcast, yeah. So, I read every comment for feedback, you know, some positives, some from his American audience and that. Some people were hateful. Straight off, but I last started reading it. So, I think it's about my family as well. You know, I don't want to put the strong. Don't get me wrong. So, you know, I might have a chat with my missus. My daughter's well out of it. She's protected you. Bless her. My missus, she's a strong character. She's had her own traumas in paths. So, maybe I will have a go and just tell her not to. But yeah, tell them not to read the comments which is difficult especially at the start. I read every comment for a year. We got to self-seeking when I was getting the praise I loved it. Negativity, I would go in my room and hide. Nowadays, mean stuff are driving down. It's just part and parcel of the game. The negative shit that I get, people, my teeth, my fake tan, that's it and that, people making up shit. You just got to take it in the chin. I just like to say that. I'm not used to meeting like, you know, good-looking guys. Thank you. Indeed, you're hotels late at night. So you see. Fucking T-Force. So you see. But yeah, you know, I definitely want to help people the best way I can. And, you know, Sean's had people on. There is, you know, ex-addicts, one or two that are out there. But, you know, get a big team of people. You need to get in schools and educate people on the prison front. But there's shitloads of people. I've had messages on Messenger, right? It's under Sam Samwith. I've had people. They miss this. I'm really ignorant as well. I'm shit on computer. A few months ago, she says you've got loads of messages. She says, where? She says you have to accept them because they're not your friends. You know, put me security settings really tight. Really positive messages. Loads of them. One at last one. Career soldier. Ex-copper. He says, I thought it was only me, Sam. You know, I'm heading for a nervous breakdown. I mean marriage is going to fucking shit. And now I've read your book and I've seen the light. I've got me misses to read it. And I said to her, read that book. She read it and I said, that's me. And it cleared the air. I'm going to go for counselling and that. And that's what I want. I want to reach a big audience. But to reach a bigger audience, set up maybe a Twitter, put it on private, maybe at the start, build up the confidence when you realise, wait a minute, it's not that bad. For me, you know, I can just look at the positives. I said with a book, if one person gets in touch and said, yeah, I'm fucked up, I'm going to go and get help now. But that will set you up a platform to maybe go and speak in schools, prisons, people can get in touch. Do you want to leave an email or anything for people maybe you can go and speak at a school or prison if anybody's watching? Do you want to leave anything? Yeah, I'll give you an email. I'm going to have a go up messenger. I'll give you a, well, they can contact me on messenger at Sam Samwith. Okay. You know, I will have to accept it, which is fair enough. I'll give you an email. And I'm going to have a chat with a missus when I go home about setting up a Twitter account and maybe put myself out there. The thing is it's all life experiences, you know what I mean? Some of the stuff I saw in engineering was frigging horrendous or whatever. But I just want to help people. I am a people. But the majority of people are struggling. You've been through a lot of shit in your life as well, but you're dealing with it. So for you to be the lead by example, you've got to be at the forefront, you've got to be willing to take the grenades and the punches for other people to maybe see the light, the message from the man who was in the army to say you've given me the strength. That's what you need. That's what keeps you going to realise fuck it if I get 10 negatives. Oh, I would buzz off that me helping people definitely. Do you know what I mean? That would keep me going. And like I say, I'll have a word with Amy Bleser when I get home. How long did it take to write your book? Right. I'm glad you've asked me that. So two weeks. I worked with a writer, Yorkshire lad, hooked up with him. Before he got a contract blessing he said let's sit down and do this book. So no notes, no diaries, no nothing. We sat down Junction 25, M62, Olydy in. He's got a nice reception. They serve coffee 10 o'clock while three, four every day. Monday to Friday, two weeks. So we sat down. We got us coffee. He put a dictaphone. Tell me a life story, Sam. The very last day, the Thursday night as we were finishing on the Friday, he says, right, I need this a bit structured. And have you got this, this and this? So the last day was structured. Rest of it, I just told me story. Like I've sat with you, the thing is that I found incredible is my memory has just got better and better and better, which in some ways is not good because these things I'm never going to forget. However the detail and that is there, I could talk all day, mate. Do you know what I mean? I've got to change the batteries on these cameras. But it's right, you know. So the book's out now. You're feeling better. Yep. What's the plans for the future? I'll tell you what the plans are. You're going to keep in touch. Yes. Like Sean. Of course. I'm going to have a serious chat tonight with the Mrs. Amy. I've got to give her a shout because you know what? Prison officers families, yeah. Families of prisoners suffer obviously, yeah. Prison officers families, you know, she had a dog's life. You know, there was no violence or anything like that, but she spent billing my daughter 2015 I get injured, September, I'm at home all the time. She hadn't seen me for five years. I'm going to house at six, coming in at ten, she's grown up. We're banging Ed straight away. You know, me and the Mrs. have had very little contact. I've done stupid amount of hours. So when I was quite ill, mentally, off work, we lived in each other's pockets for two years. That test your relationship. But we are strong. Do you know what I mean? But families do suffer as well. It's... I thought I was leaving everything at the gate when I went home. You know, Amy does a little bit in the book. It wasn't edited or anything. I give it to only the writer. He read it and he just put it in as it were. You know, me coming home stinking of shit, you know, she'd spend all day cleaning, cook a nice meal, I'd walk in door, drop me clothes. She'd walked at wash, she put mings of stank of shit and then I'd sit on set. See, with fucking face on all night. You know what I mean? What's the heavily rate for a prison officer? Right. Prison officers, when I was in, after a period of time, you're on 29 grand. Yeah. Private sector were 22. Prison officers now, on the website, says 22 to 29. 29's experience that. You get 22 grander now. They get a good overtime rate, but... And this is not slagging anyone in retail at all. 22 grand, you know, going to retail job, put a few hours in, you're going to come close to that. It is not worth it. It's not worth your mental health. It's not worth your family. It's not worth your relationships. Yeah, because everybody's suffering. It's like people who go to the army, the majority of people who are homeless on these streets, are ex-army. It's sad. It's sad that people... That anyone's on the streets. It's any job. Anything that's always going to be some sort of conflict. There's always going to be some sort of negativity. But prison system, it's like war. It's like war as well. If they don't do anything, you know, the first thing I do is sit down with a government minister. Well, we can do this, this and this. What about a budget? Or we're going to have to cut? How can you cut budgets? The country's getting bigger. How can you cut fire, police, ambulance, and everything else? You can't. Do you know what I mean? So what it needs is a think tank or something because what happens, you know, your last prison minister, your Rory, the little spit is dummy out when he didn't become Prime Minister. I'm going to do this all big on TV. Six months into the job, he's not doing it anymore. Do you know what I mean? People come and go and they bring their own ideas which aren't necessarily going to work. Take it back to grass roots, you know, speaks to prison officers if you want to know what to do and people who've been in prison. Yeah? You know, I'd love to see like question time with a mixed prison officer. Obviously good ones like myself. Yeah, and next customers, just firing questions, getting ministers up there and put them on the spot. Yeah. So evidently you've been through it, Sam. You've learned from it and now you want to find more of it, people and educate people. Motivation and fantastic and just help people. Just, you know, if they come and talk. In my mind, if I was a billionaire, I would have a little house like I've said, I'd have one in Wakefield, I'd have a couple in Sheffield, I'd have a couple in Leeds. Yeah, Glasgow, obviously probably a big block of flat. But, you know, when you see some of the people you've have on, they don't necessarily need professional help, a councillor or some psychologist, just sit down with someone like me, I'll listen, I'll tell him my experiences and try and help him that way, do you know what I mean? Working people buy your books, Sam. It's on Amazon, Kindle. Yeah, we'll put the links on the bio. So for anybody buy it, it's a great read, great story. Sam, for coming on today brother and telling your story. Thanks very much. It's my absolute pleasure and all the best for the future. Keeping touch. Yeah, I will. And, you know, we'll sort some out. Yeah, I will. Fuck that, delete his number, my moan. Let's go, Steve. Cheers. Thank you.