 All right, so it is 634 p.m. and we're going to call the meeting of the Montpelier Roxbury public school board of directors to order on November 17 public comment. Do we have any public come any members of the public online. We have none in person. Okay. No public comments. I've seen none. We're going to move on to the consent agenda. Does anybody want to make a motion to approve the consent agenda or pull anything on the consent agenda. We've pulled the draft agenda for December. First, thank you. You want to make a motion based on that. I'd also like to pull the co-curricular. Okay. So I moved to, I moved the consent agenda. Mine is the co-curricular and the draft agenda for December. First, do we have a second. Second. All those in favor. All right. So co-curricular is that. Yeah, I just had a question of, in terms of deciding what co-curriculars are to what students get to weigh in or have the opportunity to weigh in on what is offered via co-curriculars. Okay. So there's a process for how a co-curricular starts. It's adopted into the co-curriculars. And that is that a student, a student usually started group. And if it starts and it goes for about two years and it has a strong representation of students each year, then we get an advisor for it. You can see all the co-curriculars in our contracts. They're all listed in the contract right now. They did last year. Yep. Oh, the contract with the teachers. Yep. Yeah. And not all districts have that there, but we do. So. Just while we're on that topic, I just want to. Sort of for public record. I did ask Olivia question about the co-curriculars to about how the pay was. Determined for any of the advisors or whatever coaches. And you explained that they were, it's, it's based on the teacher contract, right? No, which in the teacher contract, you can find out the salary information in your teacher's contract as well. At the end of the contract. And so it's on a scale. That's based on what years of experience and all of that stuff. Years of experience, how much time the co-curricular. Takes. You know, that happened. Yep. And we adjusted that a little. We, we put a bit of focus. Well, really, I should say Joe from the teachers. In grant. Put a bit of time and energy to update that last year. And. Yeah. So. It was, it was standardized and updated last year. Yeah. That's great. Draft agenda. I was just going to pose the last request. We add a committee updates to the board discussion. I know that the draft budget presentation is going to. Rightly so take a bunch of our time on the first, but I just wanted to make sure that we have. I just can't remember where we're at in the rotation here. Does any member of any committee feel like, oh, we haven't talked in a while. I know policy has. Right. And, and equity. And superintendent evals going tonight with the. Summary discussion and executive session. So. What did you say? And your finances. And negotiations like last year, if you remember, we regularly had updates. Because. Three contracts are being negotiated at the same time. But this year, none are thankfully. Really nice. Very nice. Next year. Right. Two. Okay. Well, maybe we can skip it then for next, but then probably start this. Cycle all over again on the 15th. I know some committees meet more regularly than others. Yeah. That is true. Something we might want to consider is for the ones that meet on a quarterly basis, just have like a quarterly. Update scheduled for either. You know, some of them meet, right? Like the finance committee will meet right before the board. And typically that report, the quarterly financial report is in the consent agenda. Right. We could always pull that out and just provide like a five, 10 minute. Overview of where we are. Yeah. Yeah. I think it. Is helpful. I like that idea, Andrew, because the last time was that that happened. Was the meeting where I had to join virtually. And I was late and I had some time. I wanted to ask, but because I joined late, I wasn't going to. Interrupt the flow. So, but if it had been a committee update, then I could have, that would have been a little bit more space for that. Yeah. Likewise, the facilities committee right now, it's on a quarterly basis. If there were ever like a big facilities initiative though, I have to imagine that committee would be more regularly. So. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Okay. So. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Libby, is that something we could just add to the, that spreadsheet that you have? Yeah, let's do that. Okay. I'll take that. Just, it seems fairly simple, but I'll do it. Okay. So we need. We have a motion to approve those two items. Second. Second. All those in favor. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any dissenting. All right. So review of RFP proposal. We have 10 minutes here. Libby and Mia. I believe. Just have the one. Yeah. So. Yeah, take away. We saw, we saw Nathan's a few weeks ago, no one from build strategies. And it is still the one that we have. And I said my follow up question to him about timeline. And if he would be able to shift it at all in order to have. Ensure plenty of time before the end of the timeline for his, for him to facilitate board discussions. And the long and short of it is I. He said, yes, he could. He certainly could do that. He had ideas for what he could. And he said, yeah, he could move and shift. So. I guess I move. That we hire. Nathan. Nathan suit or build strategy. Can I just, I just want to make a quick comment on that before we vote on that. Is that all right? Well, we couldn't move it to put it on the table and then discuss it. Yeah, let's do that. Okay. I'll second. Okay. I just want to say, I, I feel really good about this. Normally, you know, just one proposal for an initiative of this scale. I'd be a bit concerned and frankly, I would have liked to have seen a more. I would have liked to have seen more proposals in an ideal world. We would be choosing from a number of. We would be choosing from a number of. We would be choosing from a number of qualified proposals and weighing the. The benefits and strengths of each proposal, but considering we only got one, it was an extraordinarily well thought out proposal. And it's from somebody that we've worked with before. And we know brings it really high quality to this type of work. And so I just want to put that out there that if we're going to just receive one, it's a good proposal to receive for this, this type of initiative. So. Yeah, I'll echo all of that. I do think that we could be a little sort of thoughtful about our process around. Pushing RFPs out and like, what does that look like? And maybe have like a. Best practices, you know. Around that, you know, I don't know. I know that there was a few firms listed that we sent it to, but maybe we do a deeper dig on like Vermont, you know, consulting firms and send it out to more. Maybe put an added, I don't, I don't know what the process even was this time. So I'll have to admit that I'm, that I'm being like a, what do they call it? Armchair quarterback or something. Monday morning quarterback. Yeah. I'm not a football person. I should be making football references. But anyway, I just, um, you know, I'm a little disheartened that we only got one, but I agree with everything that Andrew said, but it's really strong. And I did end up sending it out to a couple of people I knew, um, that I know that are in the, like their mediators and stuff like that facilitators, um, professionally. And they were interested, but didn't feel like they had enough time to turn around a strong proposal. And so, I mean, it's just something that's sort of future thinking for the board on RFPs. Do, do you want to, Mia, do you want to touch on the process used to solicit proposals because I, I feel like there was some thought that. I can only speak to this one where we, each of us as individual board members had it available to ourselves to share it with our own networks. Um, And then I don't honestly know what else we did beyond that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's interesting because it's a board RFP, right? Like we own that process. So I don't feel like it should really fall on the district to have to like advertise it. I mean, I don't know how that happens traditionally, but it almost seems like the board could use our budget. To like put an ad in local papers or something like that, you know, or put on front porch forum, something like that. For future, for future stuff. I mean, there's obviously the district does their own internal RFPs for staff, right? But isn't this a board one? Yeah. Yeah. The board of the school district. Yeah. I think it's fine. Yeah, I think it's fine for us to ask. Interesting. Yeah. Well, this is on the website. It's our website too. Yeah. What I mean though. Yeah. Libby's got her hands full. I'm sure with tons of hiring. I've had staff shortages and everything like that. So I feel like maybe we could have taken a more active role in advertising this particular position since it's worth. It's being done for us as a school board. One thing we could have done is. Had a mini brainstorm session during a board meeting to say, okay, Emma, who are you thinking of that you could send it to Amanda? Who are you? You know, we did that kind of over email, but we could have just had it been more active about it. When we established there. Yeah. And to be honest, it wasn't even totally on my radar for me as a, as an individual board member to be sharing it out with my networks until after we saw that there was only one puzzle pad to deadline. Yeah. So I don't know if I was just was like sort of spacing out at that moment of the meeting. When it was like sort of posed to all of us as individuals, like really it's on you as an individual to be sharing this out to your networks. Oh, thank you. Jill. Hi everybody. Thank you. Thanks, Amanda. This is not the same as being there or having us all be on zoom. I think, I think also to my unprofessional perspective is it's just so hard to find anyone to do anything. I'm thrilled to Andrew's points too bad. We only got one, but we got one of really high caliber. And I think, you know, there's just this sort of international job market crunch right now where really talented people are very much in demand. And that's probably, you know, we were probably, you know, a victim of that. As well in that I don't know that no matter what we did, I don't, I'm not sure how many more people would have been available to a school board to do this work. So I. And like I said, I'm, I'm, I'm very confident in looking forward to working with build, if that's who we go with. Thanks. I think the proposal is great. One thing that I am worried about that we should really discuss is how we align with the other community vision effort that we're doing. I feel like people get asked too many questions too many surveys, you know, leave it in the survey and we have another survey. And then we're like doing community corporate sessions. We should really have a discussion about how to move forward and what is like how to make sure that if we are putting all the eggs into this RFP that we kind of lay off on the other things because especially because you know, you're asking too many questions, too many surveys, you know, leave it in the survey and we have another survey and then we're like doing community corporate sessions and then we're going to get it consulted. It's to redundant. We should really have a discussion about how to move forward. Especially because you know, you're asking marginalized communities here and then creating focus groups, which is the plan that I had. I think that that just like too many people get asked too many things. So like, we should have a discussion about how to move forward and to make sure that it's also aligned with whatever the administration is asking the people again, so that we're not, it doesn't seem like we are disjointed in that the administration is on their own thing and that the board is on their own thing because we're supposed to work collectively. So any questions that goes out around any of this should really be contained. But I think like we're going to say yes to this proposal. We should really think about what can what does not put the burden into a community with so many questions and decide how to move forward. Yeah, we discussed that at the equity committee last week and just to build off of what Amanda just said, in addition to streamlining it, it feels like we could put our efforts that we were putting into the community engagement that Amanda had been spearheading into working with Nathan to ensure that what we were envisioning for that community engagement is included in the work that he's doing. It looks like from his proposal, he is imagining something very similar to what we were imagining. And then, so I feel good about that. And we, it feels, I guess my point is, as board members, just because we've hired this facilitator doesn't mean then he's going to do all the work. I think we still have work to do. And I mean, there is a committee that gets formed through his proposal. And you know, it's great, but what we should, you know, I think, like water, the things we're asking. And from what the conversation we had in July, here in Rocksbury around the Rocksbury building, like I just I up. And we talked about that vision piece of it. So like, I just, I just want to make sure all of these things are all in place and that we're able to move those conversations forward in a way that is like, okay, we're going to do that here or like, where are we doing? We're talking building or we're talking vision because from the conversation in July, I thought it was more like, we're going to talk about the buildings and like how many people in the building and whatnot. This is more like the vision. So I just want, I think we should have some clarity around how to make sure it's like, here are the conversations we need to have with the community and here's who's doing that. And this is how it's going to be transparent and applicable. Are you suggesting, so I think, I think that's it. I think those are all really helpful suggestions and generally, you know, we need to coordinate and focus our efforts around that. So that's like a central message that I'm hearing on this. Do you think we, because, you know, we're approving this, we're going to then have to enter into a contract. Do we, are you suggesting that we flesh some of this out before we enter into the contract? Or are you saying like, hey, let's be mindful of this entering into this? I think we saw from this proposal is this where is it? So I lost the piece. Six second, so 10 positive to lead a process of district wide visioning. And so I think what we need to make sure is that we, does that include some of this questions around infrastructure or like buildings, whatever. And, you know, around all the needs that we have been talking about of having this conversation. So I think we need to include all of that. Because that is what needs to vision. Like, if I was a consultant, I would be like, what are the needs? And what, how do we get there? So. Well, in the, in the work plan in, you know, December 1st month first bullet, he does identify that, you know, recruitment is defined charge of priorities with board and administration. So I guess a question about that in terms of process. You know, if we're to meet with me, then it's just sort of like, you know, a kickoff and, you know, in some ways it feels like a little bit of a continuation of some of the. Retreat discussions and work that we were doing. So if we're like, kind of, you know, circling the wagons again around this, you know, does that have to happen via like a public meeting? Does that happen? Can you meet with us independently? I guess just like process wise. To make sure that we're sort of doing this community and, you know, not having, you know, redundancy and just draining all the energy of the community so that we really get thoughtful, you know, and energized participation. Are we going to have a kickoff? To really just make sure there's clarity in different things. I mean, it's, I have a question. Do we want to invite before we enter into this? And I am sensitive that we're dragging this out, which causes the risk to us possibly entering into this. I don't think it's a huge risk. Do we want to invite Nathan to our next meeting to answer? Oh, yeah. We don't have. So in a month. Yeah. Because it feels like we have some, I'm hearing some questions that I feel like Nathan would be best suited to answer. Well, isn't the next step in the process to call Nathan. Yeah. I mean, I don't think we should. I don't think we should really go to bed. And to sit down with him and talk more. So that's the small committee on board. So that's when that would happen. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think we should. Extend it. I think, I think. Our next step as a board is once Nathan says, here's what you're going to do. Or like having that conversation. And then we need to decide what's left. And how do we get there? And how do we do this? And how do we either. Create another, you know. Parallel process. That feeds into each other that we need to do because he's not going to do, you know, so. I think that. Yeah. So kind of need to make sure that the conversations that we're saying are having me to have them. I think the questions that we're asking with points we're raising is going to change the, our decision to award the contract. So I wouldn't think that we would want to do that. But as part of the kickoff process or, or when we sit him down and the contract is done. It's a collaborative process. He needs our input as well. So then as part of that, we'll just come to. Come with, come over the plan with him. So. To address all of these questions. In terms of process, do we want to appoint a small team to flush this out with Nathan? I feel like Mia, since you've been spearheading this, you should. Tell me, tell me to do it. Um, if you're all right with that, I, I would love. I mean. I. Feel like there are others on the board who, for whom this is. Um, I think it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's like a. Bigger deal. You know, I was very happy to pitch in to help by writing the RFP just because I. Kind of get that process, but as far, once, now that we're into. Yeah. Beginning the actual visioning process. I think there are. Others who are. More well suited. And I'm talking about for ironing out a contract, like a scope of work with them. I think the details as Amanda was just talking about our sound, they sound important. And I think they're, yeah. Yeah. Okay. I would love to. Okay. Work with me. Okay. And. I think part of the thing, one of my concerns though, from what you were saying, Amanda, is that the work on infrastructure or things I need to send out regarding our professor funding, there's a timeline to that. And it's either we pass up $2.2 million because we don't do what we have to do or wait for the visioning study to be done, or we do that. Like there's a timing thing for that. So there's a little bit of it, but we can't hold off on something. Yeah. So, but that's a third conversation, right? Like, so the infrastructure I was talking about was actually the building conversation that would be done in July here. That where the. Oh, you're talking about the merge more merger. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that, that's for that. And then like for the S and then for structure funding. I mean, when, uh, when, when I envision the community engagement, you know, people were clear that it was not there, but that it was like. More like broad. I want to do this and finding. Yeah. I don't know if it's a really important question. Focus groups and stuff, but, but that's not what I want. Because what. Yeah. Sorry. With those same question so that we haven't even. Touch that. These of it. I'm going. I thought you had to not the. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. So there's, there's two parts to this. One is, is the motion. Which is on the table, which we should definitely vote on. But then I also think. then I also think it would be helpful to have that next step, which is having that group. And it sounds like Amanda. Yep. Chris, does anybody else want to be a part of that process? I kind of do. Right, it's okay. Yeah, thanks. Frankly, I think anybody who has the bandwidth wants to be a part of the process, should. You feel fine on the way. You feel fine on the way. You feel fine on the way. You feel fine on the way. I don't want to sleep. Well, you need bandwidth, you need the one to do it. So. You'll find it. Well, we'll build some broadband out and help Kent Street to give you. All right, so the motion we have. So all those in, you know, we have the motion out there. We have a second on it. All those in favor of awarding this bid to build. I. I. Any opposed. All right, so awarded. So the next step will be this team of three. And if somebody else decides later on, they want to be a part of the process. Let me reach out to this group. That's on good. Yeah, can I just go back to the infrastructure questions maybe like the extra funding three and how that communication is going to happen. And if you want support in terms of the purpose groups that I had planned, which I really people lined up, you can put especially that this ability in BIPOC. And those just three, you know, not like having a general. Is that something that you would like me to continue? Or is that like something that we at the board? Yeah, I think that's a bigger question for the board. Yeah, so so I think that part of the S and three funding with federal requirement is that you have community engagement with marginalized communities, civil rights organizations. So that the idea for the communication was to have these three focus groups, one for BIPOC folks, one for LGBTQ and one for families with people with IDP and a couple of work. And so I think that the board, if we can decide that we will continue to adjust for the question around the S and three funding needs so that that feeds into the BIPOC's plan when that and that that can be something to a way to say that was the plan that we were that was the community and then and then just for those three specific purposes and in the call, we might not get any people, right? Like the try and both the just like having the engagement with the community. So you're saying in addition to what everything else the administration has planned, do you have what do you have in addition to the mind, the survey you sent out last week, thought exchange, mind exchange? That's terrible, thought exchange. We're going to go out of formation from a thought exchange. Right. So there's not a whole lot more planned for the infrastructure piece of it. OK. And if this if we had these focus groups, it sounds like it would fulfill some of the requirement for the community engagement part of making a plan. Well, then you have to get feedback to the plan. Oh, I see. OK. Making the planning to get feedback to a plan. Got it. So this sound, I just want to pause here just because I am sensitive to the fact that we do have some agenda items that I think we're going to want to talk more about. This isn't on the agenda. I don't want to totally put the kibosh on it because it's an important topic. Do we is this super time sensitive? Do we need to make a decision on this tonight? Or is it the kind of thing that we could put on for like five or 10 minutes at the beginning of next board meeting and have like a proposal before us so that coming into the conversation. I feel like a lot of us aren't entirely clear on what's going on here. Well, I just. Yeah, I'd like to table it. Because I am concerned that the conversation asking the community about the essence of the funding is like already saying that it's infrastructure. And we're not asking the question around like why are the needs around the three buckets, which is social, emotional learning, whatever the federal guidelines say. So. So the thought exchange is not like here's just funding infrastructure people. All right. Oh my God, I'm looking at the wrong thing. But yeah, if you read the beginning part of this is just infrastructure where you get another one will be coming out around academic, social, emotional learning, that kind of thing. OK. All right, that's going to be easy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is some of this. I broke it up because people were having up because it's so much money that some of the conversation I was having with people, people were having a hard time understanding the amount of money and the multiple funding sources that we use. So I was trying to break it up to make it easier and understanding. Well, any of this be touched upon as part of a bunch of conversation next week. OK. It will be folded in a little bit. OK. Is there. Let me, when do you imagine, when do you feel like you need the feedback from the community in order to make the three funding? You know, put out a plan first to get feedback on. So that's going to be starting to get what you know, we're moving because we're making some decisions about budget. But because all these funding things are braided together and work together, they're not. And you know, I mean, they're separate financial buckets, but they work within our system, so they're braided. So in the next board meeting, you'll see some information of like planning on how the plan is to be used as a three funding for this. Please, as a three funding for that. And when would you ideally have listening sessions, thought exchanges for your proposed us or for you spending? Probably through the beginning of January. The beginning of January. So we have a little bit of time to, like, you're talking about wanting to have a full board discussion about how the outreach is conducted. Is that what you're wanting? No, that's what I heard about it. Like, I mean, I think what I want to have the conversation about is like the types of questions we're asking the community and how we are framing the question. So if this is not so, yeah, we should disable this. Because I think people will require a little more dialogue and conversation around how do we engage with the SS3 funding doing the planning of that land? Who are we talking to? And are we presenting a plan versus are we presenting a question around me? And how do we leverage both? Because there's a different model of saying, this is how we're going to spend our money. What do you think versus what are the real needs that we have? And how do we think about it truly? I mean, it might be the needs that we already have a plan. And say, OK, here is how we do this. So I think we should disable this and then bring that conversation a little more to our staff around how we have to dial up around the SS3 funding and community engagement. And I do think based on the initiative that you've launched with all of these listening sessions, I feel like we're in a much better position now to help Libby get that feedback. Because there was, I feel like Libby launched a pretty great plan for getting feedback and just people weren't showing up. In this summer, you're talking about the next summer. Yeah. And so it was a struggle. It was like, she's like, I'm over here. I'm on the podcast. I'm doing this. I'm doing that. I'm like, I'm going to have to continue. The podcast will return once Anna gets back. There was just a lot of outreach. And then just there weren't a lot of people there being able to give us feedback. So I think we're much better poised now to assist in that. And so I think it'll be pretty smooth. I'm not sure that we need like a full board discussion on. I think you can come up with your plan and then we can just sort of feed it into our listening session schedules. OK. Yeah. Unless you feel like there's a need for a board discussion. For later. Yeah, for later. OK, so like in December. Yeah, I mean, before. I mean, before. Yeah, I mean, we have these drafted. So I mean, next one is is big. Because it's the budget presentation. So that's going to that's going to dominate next meeting that in terms of our time. But we, you know, we have budget season is. So it's it requires a lot of our time and attention over the next couple of months because we have the. The budget. Yeah, we have to. That's a major function of the board. So. I think next next meeting will probably not be ideal for having some space for that agenda item. But what about a meeting after that? So the 15th is the second draft of budget presentation. Yeah. And then the 5th of January is the budget public forum. And then the 19th is the final approval. But that's usually shorter. That's not a presentation. But just a note that we have to make the approval by that day. So the next three, the next two meetings are pretty much budget. So it seems like if we're going to have a full board discussion, it seems like it would have to happen at the either December 1st or December 15th in order to bring feedback to potentially the 5th. The 19th, you know, that's how it feels to me. But what is the discussion that we want to have? I'm still not clear on this. Exactly. Whatever. Whatever. But as a refinement requires actual engagement with marginalized community. Three specifically, by talk, LGBTQ, and those with the group, we're trying to have a full talk. I would like to make sure that we have support. Say that we really that like the real focus versus just the survey that will be like, what are the needs of those three particular groups that we need to take into account with the three standards? So I think it's important that we hear from them. And that is not just through a survey that we can. Yeah, we are from the community. What is the timeline for this? And what have we received on this time? Do I don't think this is this is going to take forever? So do you want to have this conversation now or do you want to? No, I mean, we have we have three big topics. And this is not one of them. So I mean, do we want to table the student representative to the school board because it's going to push that process out? Do we want to table the equity policy review discussion? I think we should just put 15 minutes on each of the next agendas. Like, do we have 15 minutes to spare or no? I think we're going to do that. It's definitely a big topic. 15 minutes. That in which we would be discussing, how are we engaging these particular three communities around us or funding to hear what their needs are so that those needs help the administration develop a plan? Is that the question that the law doesn't say that or the the requirements don't say that. That's a that's a different desire that might be the desire of the board, which is fine. Right. The bill, the requirements for S or three are to receive feedback on a plan. Right. And right. And so I think that is the big question before us. Do you want to stick with the letter of the law or do we want to go a little beyond that and bring in community engagement in order to inform the plan in the first place? But that's, I think, what we would be discussing at a different meeting in those 15 minute chunks that Emma just proposed. Yeah, I'd also like to understand what the timeline is as part of this, because we don't want to end up in a situation. We certainly want that input, but we don't want to end up in a situation where we're waiting to develop a plan and then we're pushing out these. Right. You know what I mean? You want the timeline on the S or funding? Yeah. OK. And that is something for the conversation. Yeah. Sorry, we did just tell us that if we're going to, if she like the ideal timeframe for her to receive feedback on the S or three plan would be January. From the plan, yeah. Yeah. So we'd be ready to go when it's open. So we need to like what if we have some sort of like, I mean, I'm sure we have plans of our own, but if we want to help assist, get to motivate people to come to listening sessions, to listen to podcasts, to participate in forums and such, then we need to like act sort of quickly to motivate that participation. Yeah, certainly. For January, certainly to solicit it. Yeah. I mean, I think it would just be worth the brainstorm. Sure. Of the board. Sounds good. Let's do it. OK. I'm sensitive to timing, though, because right now we're we're 20 minutes behind and we have student representative in equity policy review and superintendent evaluation. So does that sound like a good plan to everybody 15 minutes the next two to talk about this engagement? Yes, sure. All right. So I do right before we move on, because we never finished the this the the proposal for for Nathan in terms of a timeline for that, ironing out a contract. How about we say at the next board meeting we have or I don't even know what we need at the board meeting. Can one of you just send an email to the board with a general timeline so that we know what we're looking at in terms of entering into a contract with Nathan? Yeah, and his timeline in this proposal starts next month. So yeah, yeah. So we're going to have to flush out a contract in the next month. Mm hmm. No way, what the hell? To flesh out to work with Nathan to flesh out a scope of work for a contract in the next month. Before the next year, it's December, it starts. So that's what I'm saying. We need I. Mia, are you sure that you don't want to at least provide a little input into the process? I don't know what input you would want for me, Andrew. I I guess I'm not sure what you're looking for. What I'm looking for is you have put the time and energy into drafting this proposal and we're talking about a timeline here. You just chimed in knowing what the timeline is. I've read this proposal once. I thought it looked great, but I'm not familiar with all the details. I'm I'm thinking it's a pretty heavy lift to iron out a contract over over the next month with Nathan. If we're trying to flesh out some of these, who's going to play what rules on the visioning side and it might be helpful to have the support of somebody who's very familiar with this proposal and it's already been engaged with this contractor to help support that process. But if you really feel like you don't know, and I'm not going to get done in the next month. If we yeah, go ahead, Jill. I'm happy to help in some capacity. I'm kind of stretched, but I want to add that Mia and Anakit and others in that room are also helping clean the school at night. So I feel for his hesitation and if there's something I can do to help, I'm happy. I am happy to take. Can I ask you what if you think I'm not capable of? No, that's not it at all. I'm of what I'm what I'm thinking is we have the Thanksgiving stretch over the course of the next week. And I was just wondering what the timeline is for fleshing this out. And you've been talking about how we need to figure out who's going to do what with regard to this. So I was just asking about the general timeline. I am happy to take a stab at this. You know, at least to just sort of kick things off. I think for my purposes, not ever having been responsible for I don't know if I'm coming up with a contract or if I'm fleshing out the work plan. You know, if I'm fleshing out a contract and really having to get that on paper in ink, I would want to see like an example. I would definitely need some guidance on that. I've not been a part of contract negotiations at any level, you know, on this board or elsewhere. So I would just need some very clear guidance as to what I need to pull together. Other than sure. I mean, I'm happy to kind of go through the work plan point by point or just make sure that it definitely feels comprehensive. But I'm sure it's a process. I would be very collaborative. And I'm sure he knows what he wants a contract to look like. And I feel like between the three people who have three people who have volunteers, I think they can accomplish the mission. If it's OK for him to sort of give us a draft. And then we work together that work. Yeah, I think I don't know how to draft what the contract. Right, I think at some point we're going to want probably grant or somebody to review it to make sure that it applies with our policies for spending. I do want to just touch on the one your question, Amanda, because I feel like that was kind of a leading question. And I only brought that up because you raised concern about having bandwidth. You said you don't have the bandwidth, but you have the desire. And I just saw, again, Mia worked on the proposal, so I thought she could assist with this and had nothing to do with it. So next time I appreciate if you just ask me straight, do you have the bandwidth to make sure that we're done with this instead of like assuming that if I have already committed, even if I don't have the bandwidth, I will get the bandwidth. I already committed, so I'm going to do it. So it just doesn't feel like so it's just an open communication that if you have the concern, just tell me and then we can flush that out and say, no, I can do it. I'm committed to it and I can do it contract. You know, so it's not to assume each other. Thank you. So the next topic is student representative to the school. I can probably shave about 15 minutes off of this conversation. I mean, we'll see how it goes. But you all received the description in the board packet, right, of the student representative position. Andrew and I worked on that together. And then we also reached out to Matt McLean, who's the community director of flexible pathways, flexible pathways, community based learning and flexible. And he did make one suggestion to add a deadline, which we then conferred about again, about what a good deadline would be. So we're going to be adding that in. I'm forgetting right now exactly what it was. Do you remember? I can pull it up. I have all the deadline. So we'll put that down towards the bottom, the deadline, how to apply section. Does anyone have any? Do you want me to just provide an overview of the timeline that you suggested? Sure. So we suggested that if we can wrap this up in the next week or so here, the week of December 6th and 13th, we would publish the student representative to the school board job description through weekly announcements, Renee Solon salutes, a direct email to all MHS students and custom outreach to GSA and RJA groups to encourage consideration. Then weeks of January 3rd and 10th, the job description would continue on Solon salutes and Solon. Solon, sorry, Solon salutes. We're not here, Dustin. Yeah, sorry, Solon salutes. Then the week of January 10th, another direct email to students and another promotion to GSA and RJA. And then January 21st would be the letter of interest due to Emma. And then January 21st is the end of the first semester. January 21st is the very second. I have a question. Sure. Is there a reason, possibility that we can expand this middle school student? We could potentially. So what that's actually a really interesting question because we had talked about one position versus two positions. And there used to be two positions. And I think it was really that there was a senior who was the lead and then either a sophomore or junior would kind of support that lead. So you could potentially have two positions, one at MSMS, one at MHS. Yeah, I mean, we could. I think it would, you know, I think it would take a. You know, it's a commitment. It's a lot. It's a big commitment and it's nighttime meetings and stuff like that. So I would be interested to see if we would get a lot of application letters. But there's no reason why we can't like put this out to maybe seventh and eighth grade, do you think? Yeah, I struggle to imagine my daughter's in fifth grade. And she is precocious and super intelligent and would probably be a future leader type. I still struggle to imagine her and her classmates at these meetings. I have real I know brilliant middle school students. Who can school us in many topics and which are greater than. Hey, I don't know. They will apply. I've been dreaming about an apply. They want to make classes in state of mind, you know, like they say. So how does everybody know if they will apply? Their parents will let them know. But how does everyone? How do you feel about me reaching out and extending the opportunity to seventh and eighth graders also? And then we can just see what happens with the letters and then we can go from there. I. Hi, everybody. I have an eighth grade daughter. I feel pretty strongly this should be for high school students. I think if we do have some fantastic precocious seventh, eighth graders, they'll get their turn at high school. I think there's a lot of personal development and responsibility and ownership that I think would be I can't imagine asking anyone younger than a freshman in high school to take this responsibility on personally. Thanks. So what about me reaching out and and sort of posing that question to who's the Matt McLean's counterpart at mainstream middle school? The principal. OK, so I'll reach out to the principals, the three of all three of them and sort of get their feedback on whether they think it would be appropriate for seventh and eighth graders. And I kind of feel like we could put it out and just see what happens and with the letters and if we get something back, then we can discuss whether it feels appropriate to consider that person. Another scenario that they could be one teeth of the two high school for position, like if we get one or two, you know, like just I think it also talks about that there are some students that would like to have this challenge that we're already telling them that they have to wait to high school. Like I heard that twice, actually, two students who want to debate classes and they're like, you have to go into high school, two students that are challenging history classes about, you know, why centric? And they're saying, you've got to wait till high school. So I think it is an opportunity for them to engage in or for us to think about. It's like the thing you have to wait, you have to wait. It's about. We could also consider there's been a lot of discussion, Matt McLean and I discussed it at length about, you know, there's a lot of hope and potential in these positions to be like a liaison. So in the description, it's like the liaison to other students in the district. So there could be a potential for the two students, you know, one or the other of them to do like middle school, a middle school group where they talk about school board issues and then they bring the middle school perspective back to us. So there's a there's a lot of opportunity here. Does everyone feel comfortable? Oh, sorry, I have a question too. I wonder then, and I think that you probably be curious about this. It's just what the thinking is about the selection process or just the step beyond submitting the letter of interest than what they might be curious about. And I am too about the process from there. Good, good feedback. I will add that I'm picturing it the same as when a real board member is appointed or real an adult board member is appointed, right? A voting board member. Yeah, that there would be you all the letters would go to all the board members. We would have a discussion and then we would select the two candidates. So but I can add a section down at the bottom. Does anyone would anyone prefer to have some other part of that process? Can we have get multiple which we will. Can we have them speak? Usually the potential board member comes and they have an opportunity to speak to the board before. So it'd be nice to hear from them in addition to the letter. You're going to print it out now? No, she doesn't want to do it. And I think that's good to let them know that that would be sort of the expectation. Exactly. I got one more really small thing. The fourth bullet we talked about you have leadership potential and I don't know if you know these are kids and whether that potential, but I was wondering whether we should call it skills. Maybe that's not developed leadership skill, but you have leadership skills. Or are you a leader? Yeah, what are your leaders? Something like that, but not potential kind of, I don't know. And I read it and I'm like, I don't need the kids. But yeah, they might think they have skills, right? Funny you like that. I actually find that too. And I asked my wife and she thought and she thought it was fine. She thought I was overthinking it, but it's just one thing that came to my mind. So I think we have adjusted it. I had put in there, I said, do you seek leadership opportunities? I will I will just make a note that there's a lot of thought to around trying to attract candidates for this position that might not be the most obvious kids in the school that are already seeking out leadership opportunities and have their voices magnified a lot that maybe there is somebody that's more of a potential type of candidate who doesn't think of themselves as a leader, doesn't feel super confident that they have like the skills to be a leader, but they feel, you know, they're interested in it. Are you interested in leadership opportunities? Interested? Are you interested in a leadership opportunity or something? I don't know, I don't know if you like Jill. Oh, Jill and then Amanda. And Kristen, Jill, Kristen and Amanda. OK, Jill, Kristen and Amanda. I'll be quick. I meant to say too, I am so excited that you guys put this time into this and I'm so excited. My very first board meeting in March 2020 was when we were first bumping elbows with people at the beginning of the pandemic. And I got to bump elbows with the two student board members. And then from then on, we all sort of got scattered to the wind. So I'm really grateful you did this and reading through it made me so excited. And then combining that with the work Emma has done to collect their thoughts from the listening session that you guys did. I mean, it's like a tidal wave of fantastic feedback. And so I love the idea and I'm really glad we're pursuing this. And I'm really grateful to you guys for the time you put in. I did just want to echo too. I mean, I think there's there's a reality here about the the value for the student themselves at the high school level versus middle school. I think at the high school level, you know, you might be thinking about what's going to go on your resume or what might go in an application or, you know, a work study or something. And there's a structure there to support that student in the form of the community based learning. I don't know that that same structure from the adults around the middle schoolers would be the same and nor, you know, there I don't I think I just I feel really strongly. I would not want a high school student who has that support structure and who has that desire to serve in this role to not get that spot for middle school. And I think part of that. And again, I say this as a parent of a very capable eighth grader. That I loved hearing from the sustainability kids at the middle school. They they actually literally have like, you know, brought a big change to the middle school for the better. So it certainly doesn't preclude middle school students from coming to us. And I love the idea of kind of fostering, hearing directly more from students. But I do just I feel strongly for the student board member portion. I personally think we should keep it at the high school. Thanks. Thank you, Kristen. It was Amanda. No, no, no, I'm on this up as you. Oh, hey, um, just on that tip of, you know, trying to make sure that we're maybe capturing some non-traditional leaders or kids that really may not perceive themselves as leaders if in that announcement blurb, if there could be like a referral process, you know, where like a teacher or advisor could refer a student name to us. And really, I don't know if that's it just in terms of like student contact or name sharing and stuff. But if there was like a referral process where maybe one of the board members could reach out to them and say, hey, you've been referred to us. It's like you might be a great candidate. You know, this is the process and just to really kind of encourage them to come forward. Could it could it couldn't could an educator do that, though, and just have the student apply by coming forward rather than. I guess I'm trying to just make an extra step to encourage a student to come forward. I'll talk to Matt about that. I think he would probably be great. I mean, he seems like he's very student centered. Yeah. And I did talk to him about this particular issue. Yeah. Can I add it? OK. I also wondered if there are other students serving on school boards in Vermont and if there is an opportunity to create or initiate like a cohort of students so that they kind of have some like peer support and other kids. I mean, this is a big commitment. It's a big undertaking for an adult in terms of, you know, content and commitment. So I could see how a student could come into this feeling pretty overwhelmed and it would be nice to be able to create like a peer support group or just like a support network where they could really kind of talk about the experience, maybe even look at, you know, is there potential training? It's just something to really help these kids scale up and be able to so that it's a meaningful opportunity to be great at that is the BSBA. I was just about to say if somebody wants to, would you mind reaching out to the BSBA because I can talk to them because I share an office with them. Oh, yeah. I mean, I feel like they might not have that information now, but if they knew it was something that we wanted to cover, yeah, that you really know, that's what's going on. And last question, if you feel free to take the lead on that, would you rather talk to the BSBA? I can, but it's totally up to you. If you're in the office, go for it. Just I would love to know. I would love to know how it turns out. OK, yeah. So Amanda and then Nina. So, you know, as someone who works with young people, we just interview and appoint it for people to act on working for four students and we went to a really amazing interview process. I just want to question the way that we talk about young people because they are doing really amazing things. So would you not mean to any student capability to be in this space? Number one, number two, I think that for some people, being in a board is more than to put in a resume for some people that they care about issues that are really important to them. We have students of color who are a lot of boards right now who are there to change curriculum, who are there because their lives depend on it. So I think it's really important that we think that the leadership of students are not something like, oh, they can use this or it's good. No, like some of the students that are doing the work on climate change, the work, you know, on racial justice in the state are really freaking amazing in school, many of us. And I tell you, because I just I have two students in that front working group who school many people who are doing really good work, which is appointed four of them in a new way that's coming in. So I think like I just want to I feel just like they're here with me and I just want to offer that that we should be careful that we don't tell to briefly build on that when you talk to the SBA, it would also I think it would be nice for the students to be able to actually define the support that they need and the training that they need and it not, you know, that it's just really relevant to their experience. So I definitely would be clear on that. But what are you thinking there? Because the SBA can reach out through like to the chairs to say like, hey, do you have student representatives? Is there like a specific question that would be helpful? I guess there would be a question that we could ask to our student representatives and what training would be helpful to you to fulfill this role? So when we choose student representatives? Yeah, I think that's something that we can like flesh out as we go because it doesn't have I mean, we're not going to be getting this person or these people onto our board until late January, early February. So my initial reach out to them will just be to ask that they already have something going for students. And then we could even arrange to have like a conference call a Zoom call for anyone who's interested or maybe they could kind of talk to us about what they have available for student representatives. And maybe they don't have anything and that it's a brand new, amazing idea. The last full year that we had a student representative was Hope and she definitely had a vision for what she wanted that to look like and like she really ran with it. And I feel like the year before it was a similar way. So I'm interested to see how this turns out, Nia. I just have one more thing we could add to the document under additional resources is maybe we add a couple of our email addresses and maybe Matt's just to say if you are interested but want to learn more before applying or if you have questions reach out to Emma and Amanda and Matt or we could pick any one of us really. Sounds great. But we all get on the student representative to the school board. So we'll make those little tweaks and then it's going to get sent out. I was all excited to mention to you folks that there are student state board representatives on the state board of education because for years when I worked at the agency of education there were always two non-voting student board members and they rotated so they had two year terms. But I just pulled up their webpage. It's hard to tell. It doesn't maybe look like they have student members anymore. I was going to say that would be another great resource for our students to. They do have. They have to. They do still. Okay. Thank you. It's hard to tell on their membership. My sister and I was one years ago. Yeah. She was there when I was there. So equity policy review tool. A lot to me. Well I mean we've had this in front of you all for a little while now and I think we've given the background but just to remind that all ourselves we developed this as a way of reviewing our own policies to see if they are helping foster equity throughout the district and as a tool to use if and when we are needing to write new policies. So that's the general basis, basis purpose of it. And the reason it's before all of us tonight is to get everybody's eyes on it. We're eventually once we start using it and I think maybe even when I'm done here I'll toss it over to the policy committee because I think you gave it a dry run. We are hoping and expecting that various board members and committees will use this as a tool when policy review time comes. Maybe it's now a good time to kick it over to policy because you gave it a try. Well they're in the process. So I went through the whole tool. I think in addition is that this could be a tool that we can is a tool that's alive which means that you can take form and like through time. I don't think that's what you say. That's how I see it. The living document. That's what I meant. It's a living document. And as we use it we'll learn more things about it and shift it. And that is it also could be used for the creation of new policies not just for the review itself. And so Chris, sorry. Chris did you want to add anything? Any other background that you skipped? I'm interested in that idea in terms of using the new policies. How do you see that? Do you feel like when going to existing policies if I help you identify gaps or? Yeah, yeah. Well and then there's another one where the school safety committee when we finished our work one of the policy recommendations was that the board ought to have a conflict resolution policy which doesn't exist right now so we could use this as a tool as we write one or go look for examples of them and then say to use as maybe our basis for jumping off point and say to ourselves, okay if we were to start with this one what how does it meet these criteria or not? And so when community members come to us say we want this policy as a board you know it could be a tool that we can use to do that. I remember when I was a not a non board member I came with a few policies for the policy committee they kind of never came to the board. I think context to the capture which is which is stated in the tool itself is that this tool is kind of a response to a charge within policy F 22 that asks the board to annually review policies and consider the non-coding and consider the effect of perpetuating inequities or contributing to disproportionate access and outcomes including the achievement gap. So you know this is very much a concrete way of the board being able to make good on what this policy asks of us. I really appreciate all the thought and effort that went into this. Thank you all. You want to hear about my experience using the tool? I can't. Come on. I mean I think it's great. I think you know the so we I use the tool for the new required policy from the VSBA on special education. That policy is like three paragraphs long not fully a page and it basically just says we are going to follow the law which seems redundant because law has to be followed. So it's an interesting required policy but so I went through and it was kind of like it just highlights those things. It's like why is this why are we it makes you question the policy why do we need this? Who is it helping? What is it here for? And is it clear? You know it is the purpose of the policy clear and I said somewhat, right? It does say that we are going to follow the law but as you get a little deeper I'm kind of like okay perhaps there's an opportunity here you know for us to clarify some of these things and maybe that doesn't happen in the language of the policy but maybe it happens in the procedures. So to me it was a really helpful tool and you know it's coming at a perfect time in our work on the policy committee because we're at a point where we're like okay let's step back and kind of develop best practices here because it was like we have to do readings of all 40 policies in the next six months like we need to make this happen and then when we started digging and figuring it out and consulting with Pietro it was like oh we actually don't have to do that so why are we trying to do that because that is not best practice to try to review all of these policies within a six month time frame like we're going to do bad work right and it's not going to mean a lot to the community and our values. So I think this is a really helpful tool to get us going in the right direction. You have a question? No I'm ready until you're done. Anyway yeah it felt good I think there was definitely a few points where I was like this doesn't really apply and Libby had talked about maybe saying is there a column for not applicable but I kind of just feel like you just write not at all like it's it's just kind of a not at all thing and then maybe in the notes you know you're like it doesn't matter that it's not at all for this particular thing because it's not needed. So I felt like it was helpful. And just to add that the rational explanation and recommendation and consideration it's supposed to go into each of the questions so that the non-applicable will be there like you just write it that's the rationale I just didn't do it there because it makes the document very long so until we approve the title and then I'll go back and add the little rules underneath each of the questions. So just to make sure I understand what you're saying Amanda we have category one purpose slash intent of policy first question is clearly articulate the purpose of the policy you are saying that under that one would be these two pink bars rationale explanation and recommendation or consideration just in case people need to add something on it and then under the next one or I could just put that that's what we talked about another and I just had this idea I could look at just number and then in the rationale we can say number one yeah I don't think I mean I did end up I just used hard copy just that's my style but I just wrote notes under after each one and then kind of summarized my notes down below yeah um no I was raising my hand to just offer another piece of context which is the complete like using the tool to review a policy is just the start because then what that does for us is it creates sort of a checklist that someone probably the policy committee but maybe it's a different committee with the guidance and support of other experts in this area would then actually write the improvements that we have identified need happening in whatever policy so I wanted to say that because it's like in my in case that wasn't clear like it's a multi-step process the tool is just the beginning and I feel like that's also helpful for any board member who might be sitting there going you're going to ask me to assess what I you know it can start to feel a little overwhelming unless you realize okay we're going to be breaking it up in the chunks of work that you know and there will be support along the way yeah um my my question and we started to discuss this at the policy committee with Jim maybe Jim can weigh in a little bit here my question on bringing it to the whole bringing this document to the whole board for like approval I don't know if we're talking about a vote or what and that coinciding with our desire to have it be sort of flexible and perhaps be a living document or change things as we go therein lies my question is sort of like if what we approved today then would have to come back to full board for changes consider consider changes to this document to this tool I have a suggestion on this I don't think this needs full approval I think the way that you guys have gone about this that you all have gone about this is really productive and that you shared it well in advance like before the last meeting it was really nice to have the time to review something that's substantive and I think this is an opportunity for board members to discuss you know do we have any issues with it and address those issues do we have any ideas to improve this and talk about that just like we did with that up with that letter I don't think that I think it's the kind of thing that we could kind of check in on every quarter to six months if there's some big substantive changes to it as part of like an equity committee update I think formalizing some processes too much kind of hamstrings our ability to operate and then the efficient way that's my general thought do you want us to hand up and then I can follow that thank you I don't have my glasses on so I cannot set that really well yeah now I'm just kind of building on what Emma said I think we you know go about it several ways I think your way makes a lot of sense Andrew I think yeah I think it definitely is important that the board take a look at this and you know just kind of feels a useful tool and I think it is I really commend the equity committee for putting a ton of work on it I've used it also for the same policy Emma did and it's just super useful and it just kind of you know forces you to stop and ask those questions and I think it'll really help the policy work moving forward yeah I don't think the board needs to actually formally adopt it but I think having the board look at it and kind of say yes we like this tool we certainly encourage committees to use it is a perfectly acceptable approach and let's keep you know revisiting it so if that's the route the board wants to go which is why we didn't put it and we didn't put an action item the board could certainly take action on it but I think just simply saying hey we like this tool we really encourage committees to use it you know let's keep looking at it sharing experiences you know making changes as a board you're refining the tool is probably a better approach than you know adopting it and kind of you know putting some sort of mandate on this to make it static that sounds good that's how and that couple of what Mia said around like this is only a one tool to use it does if you're reviewing the policy it doesn't have to be like the only obviously it would never be the only thing that you're using it would just be a jumping off point and in the spirit of like a living document which I really like the way you phrase that Amanda because it is going to be iterative you're going to identify opportunities for improvement or oh you know maybe it's a little onerous in this area or it's we're not thinking enough about this other area here I like preserving that flexibility I have a very technical question then to help us ensure that we're using we're all using the same one should once as this evolves how do how does right now I think Amanda is the owner of this document I think as a google doc just in terms of having created it so I'm just curious how do we get it so that it's like of it not just not we all know we're using the most updated one or you know like I said very technical question I can have a think I can have to the date I think so the way that the policy committee the policy committee decided that we were not gonna we were not gonna be able to look at all the policies and that some of the policies made sense to go to the different committees so the equity committee will get some you know the financing committee will get others and that then when you are revived when each of those committees are revising this then you're going to use the tool and then the final committee might find you know at this we don't a we don't understand these fees to uh we will we need to add this question because for financing we want to flush this out a little more an example then I can go back to the equity committee who's the one that drafted it and then we can incorporate that and then we can go back in the back and forth and then we can you know we can put they update it with new things on these pages like we do they have a running thing mm-hmm me as a possibility to for your question the technical they have a technical base so I enjoy those questions and answers as well on the board um policy page yeah there's a not a not kind of I don't know this year but yeah um you can put a link to the google back yeah on a back like this and then if it gets updated it's all it's just updated automatically so you don't have to worry about right exactly and then everybody on the board knows okay if I need to be using this tool this is where I go to find that's all that's okay that's okay we can link it on something like great that's great or we can even link it on we can create a it can have a new button on this I think it would be awesome for to have a button because I don't know how to do the button that's okay I know how to put a button should be back soon right I know how to put a stop um yeah no I don't we don't have to do it right now but I love the idea of a being a button so that everybody in our community knows that we have a tool like that yeah and then it's connected to the google doc so when exactly that gets updated but I also like the idea that we must the policy spreadsheet Jim can you still see the video feed oh yeah we want we want dark yeah looks like he's trying to fix it gel okay thanks yeah it's been a little unstable but that could be on my end too when one is in rock spirit I think he said from that control can you still hear us still in it and Jim yep we can hear you that's good I think that's okay because we're about to go to the executive section yeah but I think we I think Amanda did you have your hand up as well because you want to say one other thing on that uh no it's well one thing was that I send a I send a correction today or like some track changes yeah and and I know it's eight already so I think this is for for the future agenda that we had the original that we were a policy governance model that we draft it and maybe brought to our attention that we are not that so then we still learning are still learning and so I and then Jim made that change that we govern through policy and so that kind of brought me to this question of like what what do you mean we're not political so I it was I closed to lecture from the DSBA but then explained to me the model and then so she was explaining so I think maybe not for today but for a future meeting for like we do need to have this understanding that it is not just policies like she she had given me like okay the essential tool which is what we get when we come in that essential tool work which is the governance model that the DSBA recommends have kind of like six components one of them is policy but there's other five which is the mission and vision so we just I think we should all be on the same page of what it means to be our district she also offered that if we were interested in learning about the governance model policy which at the last four years it's been another district we used to use it too that they're oh we used to before I was one of the rocks where it's not good oh okay oh I'm clear there is a point so much time that they have that can come and give the presentation so I just wanted to expand that but I think there are a few points I don't think that we have the time to spend that not right now but it's a it's a good idea we should we should consider it and frankly it's I feel like before the pandemic I was pushing as Libby knows and Jim knows I was pushing us to really consider like what do we want our governance model to look like and then we've been in crisis for two years so I haven't had any time for that but it's a really really I agree it's a really good discussion to have yeah and hopefully we're moving forward as out of crisis this year yeah it might be like a retreat crisis discussion it's it's it's deep and complex and I mean you can spend hours on policy I think the policy comes from the book is like this there so it's probably get like PhDs but I think it's really important for us to actually know because I mean if we're writing this document and we're like think like if the idea that I had of what the board is is not the yeah now it is it is important our promise policy and policy and and mission and vision with the the district but like that's the little thing I've been saying but if there's other components that I don't know versus just things that we can be you know so like I think it's important it's definitely important to know and we are you know we're governed by policy not policy governance um and it's definitely a topic we should delve into um yeah I I agree yeah and I just it's it's a deep it's a deep well though yeah because we're not just governed through policy right like there are other components about the way that we govern so by just saying that we're by putting governments through policy it kind of leaves the other thing that we do do and I think it is important to know what those things are because if we limit and we say we're just governed through policy then that's our job just policy and that's now and if we're going to have it and write in then we need we should and we should all be in the same page yeah to like and to that point it wasn't just Amanda I mean Kristin and Amanda and I all worked on this and we you know in drafting it we all left it in there it's a common form of board governance right it represents it represents a a specific model yeah yeah I believe does everybody feel good about where we are with this on the tool yes I'm excited to start using it so policy committee feel free to send equity committee whatever you want to serve you okay yeah we got it yeah we got to figure out what our work also enough on the the survey front and I don't want to digress too far but the teacher survey we should pick yes pick up yes yes yeah I haven't wanted to bother the teachers with that but I think they will want to provide it with it something yep okay so do I have does anyone want to make a motion to go into executive session for the motion to go into executive session for purposes of personnel for the purposes of personnel evaluation evaluation I second that all those in favor hi hi any comments