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This sense-making synchronicity was recorded on the winter solstice. All life is beautiful art. Help the faculties to see it. Enjoy the episode. What's up, everyone? Welcome to Simulation. I'm your host, Atlas. Super excited to be talking about all things flat earth. We have David Weiss joining us. Hi, David. Hey, man. Thanks for having me. Excited for the discussion. Likewise. Very excited. And you have a lot of great visuals that you'll be sharing with us as well, which I'm really looking forward to unpacking with you. All right. Yeah. And as you know, our show is very deeply rooted in metaphysics and consciousness, the nature of reality. So I'd like to start things off by asking you about that, and then we'll get into some of the flat earth stuff. So what do you think the nature of existence is all about? Why does reality exist? That is such a big question, man. So the whole metaphysical look at reality and simulation theory makes so much more sense on a flat earth. It works on a flat earth. It doesn't work on a spinning rock ball, you know, space rocket world that happened by random, you know, random explosion. So why does it exist? I believe it exists for our soul's journey. I believe we are here in our avatars having a soul's journey and that our number one rule, the number one mission is to maintain control of our soul and not sell it. And so we're here to expand consciousness and, you know, those people that get lost, that get fooled into giving up their souls in the soul lure system, they get fished away, they have really hard lives, they become unhealthy, they become lost, they become depressed. Remember the scene at the beginning of the matrix, the documentary with Keanu Reeves, right? Where he- I love how you call it a documentary. He, at the beginning, he was like depressed. He's like, something's wrong, something's wrong. There's something out there and he didn't know what he was looking for. I truly believe that the globe lie, I call it, is the reason that many people are depressed because they're inner core, their soul knows the truth. They're deep down inside, the truth is there, but they can't see it. So they're not aligning with their soul and they become depressed and all different things happen. When you're depressed, you go off the path. So I've seen people discover the Flat Earth and everything changed for me. I've seen people become happier. I've seen people in really tough life situations that are so happy. They're so happy because it's not about the material world, the material world. And don't get me wrong, I love my material. Everyone loves a little good, little material, it's comforting. Those headphones are nice, some material, but people get lost in that and when you understand who you are, where you are, and what you are, more so than on a spinning ball, you have a lot better foundation and you're a lot happier. How's that for an answer? Yeah, there definitely seems to be a perennial wisdom around the unity of all being in existence, whether we talk about it like a God or a source, and that we undergo the process as that, we are that, and then we do this exploration of phenomenology, an exploration of all these different states of consciousness that possibly exist. And that this reality is one design, this is one creation design, and then we immerse ourselves in these soul vehicles, so this is another, this is just one design of a soul vehicle, and then we undergo this explorative process in that we've infinitely and eternally been doing this and we will continue doing it because you can never come to an end of exploring infinite states of consciousness, infinite phenomenological possibility. So that seems to be what is one of the prominent metaphysical ways of thinking right now. And another aspect to it that I thought was interesting was that whether it be a flat earth or whether it be any sort of way of living that is sort of outside of the quote matrix as you talked about, I just think that that generally is an uplifting way of living life, which is basically I'm going to say enough of the economic machinery that is in many ways desacralizing life, and I want to feel like I'm a divine being. I don't want to work 40 hours every week from nine to five doing something that I don't love. And so we need to sort of work our way over time into a civilizational architecture that is more around the unleashing of the unique gift of every single soul in a way that is aligned with their highest potential and their highest actualization. And so that's something else that we're very adamant about talking about on the show. So whatever it is in terms of that sort of thinking is all outside of the matrix is kind of the point for me there. Yeah. So, you know, when you look at what we're doing here, why we're here, there's something and it's maybe it's just the duality of it where there's a evil, I'll use the word evil that is trying to lure our souls away. They use the Soul Lure system, as I said, and maybe that's necessary for the contrast. It is. Yeah, I'm with you. And I believe wholeheartedly that we chose to be here during this time to have this ride. 2020 has been an amazing year for me because two things that I really love, roller coasters and puzzles. Yeah, that's this. Yeah, that's this. Well, I'm like, this is the greatest thing ever. I mean, the world's falling apart. There's people that have no idea what's coming down the pike here. And they're basically just lost, but it's fascinating to watch. And and because I'm aware of this journey that we're on, I see the bigger picture. At least that's the way I see it. And, you know, there's no fear or anything. You know, when I, since I discovered Flat Earth, I've lost all fear of everything because most of the big fears, you know, they have that the mainstream media pushes out from, you know, nuclear bombs and asteroids. And, you know, those are fake. Both of those are fake. I don't know if you're aware of that. Nuclear bombs don't exist. And neither do asteroids. This is these are on my list to talk to you about. Let's let's let's let's hit this also from a little bit of a chronological perspective and we'll keep revisiting this on a it's all going to be very metaphysical and consciousness driven as well. But so in terms of a chronology to this process, walk us through what were those kind of pivotal moments for you that unlocked this sort of way of thinking as you were growing up. So well, growing up, I always questioned everything. And I was in kindergarten, first grade or whatever. And during they brought us outside. We always, you know, I was so excited to go outside, you know. And the teacher was teaching us about gravity. And this is like first grade, I think it was kindergarten, you know. And the teacher had a bucket of water on a rope and he swang the water around. And he said, this is great. He got it going. He's been around and now he's going full circles and the water is going in there. He goes, that's gravity. Okay. And I said to the teacher, I go, I when he was done, I said, but if we're on a ball and the water is on the ball and it's spinning, don't you have to turn the bucket around the other way? Right. So the water is on the outside and not on the inside. And the teacher goes like this. He goes, he's got a big beard. He goes, he goes, that's a good question. He goes, he goes, that's the way I was told to teach it. That's why I have to teach it. But you keep asking questions. That's what he told me. And I remember that it was like my earliest memory of school. So that kind of started me off going, all right, he's teaching it because that's how he has to teach it, even though it makes no sense. So I always, that was disillusioned that school from that point on with school jumping flat all the way forward, you know, through the, through my adult life. I just saw so much deception in the world. And what really got me into it was, I don't know, about 20 years ago, I said, what the heck is money? What is money? And I started looking into money. Yeah. Fiat is another huge way into, yeah. And but the whole decentralization and cryptocurrency revolution is fantastic. That's amazing. Big on crypto, the creature of Jekyll Island. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The whole thing. And so, so just in a nutshell, real quick, you know, I worked in corporate America and we, my buddy and I, we were, we would always be like talking about stuff in the lunchroom and people gather around and turned out that a point like where I walked in the lunchroom, like, yeah, they're here and there was a whole group of people and we're talking about, you know, Federal Reserve, other deceptions. Then I ended up doing a podcast called Deep Inside the Rabbit Hole, where we dove into all of the big deceptions of the world. And then in the third year, people started sending me flatter stuff like, hey, have you looked into flatter earth? I'm like, get out of here. And I banned people from our social media for even for suggesting such a thing, just being so stupid. Leave me alone. I'm not going to watch your stupid video. And then I was forced to by a researcher that I trust very much. I said to her, I said, there's so much deception in the world. It's mind blowing. Now, literally, there was some, you know, fake plane crash for something that happened and she goes, Oh, David, it's worse than that. I think the earth might be flat. And I'm like, get out of town. So then I just said, all right, that's it. I'm going to prove the globe. I'm not going to debunk flatter. Flatter is a stupid. I'm going to prove the globe, which will debunk flat earth. And then two weeks later, I came out the other side and I'm like, Oh, boy, well, there's a problem. And here I am. I've left my own, I had my own company. I left my company. I'm doing this full time now. It's insanity. It's, it's amazing. And spiritually, energetically, life is so amazing right now. You know, in the end, people go, what difference does the shape of the earth make? I still have to go to work tomorrow. You know, what difference does it make? Well, it's not the shape that matters. It's the lie that matters. It's about hiding the spiritual journey that you're on. They don't want you to know that your thoughts create your reality. They don't want you to know that they have no power over you. They can't make you do anything. You just believe it. And then it's true if you believe it. That yeah, I'm looking forward to unpacking all these core concepts more. Yeah, there's a lot of importance to the understanding of consciousness creates reality and the idea of future authoring is something that's deep in the psychology, psychological literature. And it's also deep in the self-help literature and the self-actualization literature. It's super important and it has a deep amount of synthesis to do with physicalism, especially given what we're trying to understand about quantum mechanics and our relationship with that. It's a super fascinating. And then now let's let's unpack some of these core concepts because you started us off with gravity. Gravity seems to be one that is a core concept here. So normally what we think is we think that the earth is spherical, that all of the normal sort of concepts around the solar system itself and also the fact that the gravitational pull from the core of the earth is what is the process of what's creating that sort of that style of spacetime fabric, as Einstein would say, and that sort of curvature that is created from the earth. And then that sort of that sort of heaviness at the center of the core that's pulling things down. So yeah, so walk us through what your thoughts are about gravity then. Yes, all all of that is pseudoscience. It's amazing. And once you see it, you're like, wow, how do they ever believe that? And the thing is we're trusting human beings and that we'd like to trust people, especially people that are in places of authority, teachers and, you know, whatever. So gravity, according to mainstream science, according to the high priest of the mainstream science Neil deGrasse Tyson, is just a theory. They don't know what it is. Every experiment they tried to do that with mass attracting mass has failed. It hasn't done anything. As a matter of fact, the whole solar system, the the amount of gravity doesn't work. So they have to add dark matter into it. OK, dark matter has never been seen. It's ever been tested, but it has to exist because gravity doesn't work without dark matter. So that's the equivalent of saying, hey, hey, Atlas, I owe you 100 bucks. Here's four dollars. And then I'm going to Venmo you ninety six dark dollars. You can't see them. But they're there. You have to trust me. Yeah, that's the percentage approximately is that the percentage of matter and it still doesn't work. Including dark energy. Yeah, dark energy and dark matter. Yeah, you're both. Yeah, yeah. So so there's something there's energy, there's ether, you know, and that's why they introduce Einstein to get rid of the ether and bring in his the relativity stuff. But that NASA has a thing called the three body problem. OK. And what that is, is they can create a super computer model. They got a ball and that ball has a certain amount of gravity and then they can create another ball, the earth, you know, and set it in orbit and it works beautifully. It works perfect. OK. And it'll go for years and years and years and being predictable. And they know exactly what it's going to be. Then you add a third body, another planet, moon, whenever of any size and put it in orbit around one of those beings, one of those things. And the entire thing falls apart. It goes random, it never repeats itself and it's over. That's with three bodies. Our solar system has like 80 bodies in it with all the moons. They keep changing it, right? It would be like a beehive that you kicked. OK. But if you go out tonight and look at the stars at 10 o'clock or any time and mark where the stars are next year, this time, 10 years from now at the same time on the same night, those stars will be in the exact same position. The sky clock is a perfect clock. It has gears just like, you know, you know, fine watch. The wheels in the sky keep on turning. So think about this, the the the earth is falling around the sun. That's that's what it's doing. You know, the sun's pulling it, but it's moving sideways so fast that it keeps missing the sun and orbiting. That's what an orbit supposedly is. The moon is falling around the earth. What happens when the moon gets in between the sun and the earth? How come the sun's gravity doesn't pull it away? OK, or at least tug it just a little bit. How about when all the planets align like right now? Jupiter and Saturn are on top of each other. But no, nothing's getting pulled out of its orbit. It's because gravity is a mess. So real quick, I'll just tell you what gravity is on the flat earth. The earth is and the only true forces that we know of are electricity and magnetism and their brother and sister. They go together. The earth is a dielectric plane and it has a measurable negative charge to it, measurable. And that negative charge establishes a down. It says, OK, I'm going to pull this piece of dust down, this piece of metal, whatever it is attracts. It's a very weak force, just like they say, gravity is a weak force, but it could hold oceans and cruise ships upside down in Australia. It establishes it down and then buoyancy and density sort everything else out. We can do dozens of experiments with electromagnets, electricity and magnetism, where we can defy defy gravity or defy electromagnetism. We're defying electromagnetism. We could give or see those little triangle tinfoil things that people make and electrify them and they float the air, right? Electricity and magnetism. So that's what gravity is. And the only true direction is down, you know, down and up, you know, left and right. Don't matter because if I turn around, left changes directions forward and backwards don't matter because if I turn around, like backwards is now forwards, but up and down are always up and down. And they're not not up isn't in Australia one way and in North America another way, you know, up is up and down is down. Typically that graphic behind you, the way that we've understood it is that there is a astrodynamics that are occurring between the celestial bodies that enable them to stay in such positions and that over a period of what we hypothesize as several billion years of evolution that life evolved on our rock, on our earth and that gave us the ability. And that's why we think that the solar system is so sacred in a sense because it has this like unique celestial body composition that enables it to be stable enough for a planet in the habitable zone to evolve sentience that then can reflect on the nature of its existence. So a lot of this information comes from NASA. Right. You with me? So let's let's just for a couple of minutes because we can do a whole show on this just deconstruct NASA because I'm going to show you that NASA are liars and therefore you're going to have to discount anything that you ever hear from NASA every single thing. So what planet is this? This is Jupiter, right? So in 2016, NASA goes, look, we got this picture of the northern lights on on Jupiter. That's amazing, right? And of course, we said that's fake. OK, but how do we prove it's fake? Well, we really can't prove it's fake because it could be real if that if there were northern lights there. Maybe they do look like that. Maybe that's a time lapse picture. But we're told that Jupiter is made of gases and storms and these rings or these bands are actually spinning in opposite directions, these things. And this storm right here is spinning and spinning. And these are turbulence coming off the storm. Well, these pictures were taken two years apart. If you overlay them over each other, they're exactly the same. Every single dot is exactly the same like this little dot right here. It's right here. It's right there. Everything is the same. That proves to you that NASA is lying when they show us stuff like this. Did you see everything, the recent picture of Pluto, the planet? Yeah, we had some of the leads on that project on the on the show. Yeah. Yeah. So this is that's kind of that's kind of cute. That's kind of funny. That's hilarious. Space craft. So NASA also for those that don't know, David has said that NASA and Disney are the same company and they work together. They're both Hollywood studios. OK, OK. Listen, I don't know who's guess is funny. I might be ruffling some feathers, but I'm just showing you information. You've got to make up your own mind. But because I think it was the Cassini spacecraft. It could be a different one is flying by. Oh, that's sorry. That's the New Horizons, the one that went to Pluto. Yeah, yeah. So New Horizons is the one. All right. Thank you for making everything Cassini. So it doesn't matter. Cassini is Cassini Saturn and the New Horizons is Pluto. Yeah, New Horizons. Thank you. But it's flying by 60,000 miles an hour from the distance. Pluto is from the sun. The sun is like almost like a star. So how is Pluto that bright? How did they get a perfect full Pluto, you know, like a full moon, full Pluto picture and send it back to Earth? I mean, that's just assuming they have amazing Wi-Fi up there. But it's this it's got Pluto, the dog on it. Not enough to say that's definitely Pluto, but it's ridiculous. And Pluto, the dog was created the same year that Pluto the planet was was made. What people say, well, what about what about photos of Earth? Here are two photos of Earth from NASA. OK, this look at the size of the United States here. And this one, the United States is rolled backwards a little bit. So it should be smaller, but it's twice the size. OK, I know they're at a different angle. But this one, like if I if I took this one and rolled it back, it gets smaller, it doesn't get bigger. OK, this one's bigger and is rolled back. This is fake. NASA admits it's fake. They're they're artists. What's his name? Whatever his name I space on his name. But the guy that created Robert Simmons, he created the blue marble picture that's on everyone's iPhone when it first came out. And if you look, these clouds are stepped and repeated. He admits in an interview that he made it from data in Photoshop. And people will still argue that this is a photo of Earth. And he said that he admits it. It's not. But there are no photos of Earth. All right. And let me ask you a question. If you went to the moon, you were the first guy on the moon and you brought a golf cart and golf clubs and you're doing buggyed around the moon. You played golf and you successfully made it back to Earth. And you had a press conference. Would you look like that? Would you would you be that excited? These guys look like your dog was just shot. OK. This is the press conference when they got back from the moon. And the only excuse the NASA fanboys have is they were tired. They just got back from the moon where they played golf and rode a dune buggy and talked to President Nixon on a telephone with no delay. OK. You know, President Nixon talked to them from the White House and there was no delay on the call. And meanwhile, you know, Felix Baumgarten, when he did his red bull jump at one hundred and twenty seven thousand feet, they could barely communicate with him in twenty oh five versus nineteen sixty seven, where they can talk to the moon. I can go on all day. I could show you a video after video after video of NASA faking being in space. But you only need one of these things that I that I've showed you to know that they're that they're lying. And then once you realize that they're lying, you have to unwind, unwind that and and realize what it means. So I'm very curious about what the idea of space then means because there appears to be so much that's occurring in in in space in terms of, you know, you have that hoax shirt on and that we have a supposed international space station that is somewhere around two hundred and fifty or so miles up. That is orbiting the Earth every approximately ninety or so minutes. And so there is a crew of people that are supposedly there that are undergoing scientific research. There is also supposedly a tremendous amount of satellites that exist in orbit, low Earth orbit, all of the different orbits that provide us with a lot of the a lot of the communicational infrastructures that we need as a planet in order to be able to talk to each other or the or for GPS purposes. So then if, you know, if we're not sending up satellites via rockets that are then staying in orbit around a sphere or, you know, or even in this case with the with the International Space Station over there or what the rocket companies around the planet are doing. You know, what are those rocket companies doing? What how do we have satellites that enable us to communicate? Or or what is your perspective on those things then? So that's that's a lot to unpack there. So we don't believe that satellites exist. We know that NASA is the largest consumer of helium in the world. And they have many balloon programs and they put up, you know, 8000 pound satellites on these balloons that orbit the Earth that float over the Earth and they can control them by their by remotely controlling their height into different wind currents and they can keep them wherever they need to. So there's tens of thousands of these things up there. They crashed all over the Earth and they're quickly retrieved. We've talked to military guys that that talk about how they recover these balloons in midair before they crash. So why doesn't NASA tell us about these balloon programs? I mean, we fund them. They give them sixty five million dollars every single day of the year. OK, and it goes up every year. Sixty five million dollars a day. What have they done? They've lied to us. So, you know, that's what satellites are. GPS ground positioning system only works when you're near land. When you fly to Hawaii from California, you go into approximated mode. As soon as you're 100, 200 miles offshore, the no longer sees the plane. It just calculates where you are. When you fly over the Amazon jungle, there is no GPS. When you fly over the southern oceans, there's no GPS. OK. So the ISS, I was trying to I have a video, but I guess I didn't upload it where we have not one, not two, not 10, but thousands of videos of them faking, floating on the ISS, faking, moving things around when they're flipping their mics around and playing with water balls. That's done in with pure CGI with with them. You know, some of the CGI, sometimes they do it in a zero G plane when they have recorded stuff, but they're playing with virtual reality. They're we have an image where they actually went to pass a hat and he missed it and he moved, he thought he had it, but it didn't go. We have them when they do their flips, their wires get tangled, their feet get caught in the wires. One time a guy grabbed the wire and pulled it. The other times the the their layering effects screwed up and we could see their harnesses, right? You have to catch them once faking being on the ISS to know there's a problem. Green screen glitches where they totally, you know, glitz out all sorts of stuff, you know, and then now with their fake rocket landings. Look at this. This is a movie from the 1950s and this is supposedly happening now. OK, that that it's going to show again. This rocket here, there's 10 foot waves out there. You couldn't stand on that boat. This thing is 40 tons empty. Coming out of the sky and that little bit of fire is going to land it right on that raft and 20 knots of wind. OK, this is a fantasy. None of this stuff is real. It's it goes on and on and on. But you only need one thing to prove that these guys are lying. And now you may have guests on your show. They don't know that they're lying. They are satellite technicians. They are control room people in the control room. One of the guys, you know, in the in the NASA control room says. We do so many simulations that are so realistic that we can't tell the difference between a simulation and the real mission. Because it's kind of like what reality is in many ways. But you can't really tell the difference. That's why this already is that. It's so interesting. Here, this will this will melt your brain. This is the 2012 shot of the, you know, from space. Of course, they got a full Earth, like a full moon. And you can see the United States right here. Well, I represented on the map here of all the lands of Earth. What we're seeing on this half of the ball, you have to believe that all of this land, all of the rest of it is on the other side of that ball. Somebody didn't get their proportions right. All of this land is on the other side of this ball. That's not right. This is a painting. They're lying to you about space. So what is space? Right. What is space? You want to know? Yeah, well, let's let's let's ask one question right before we get to this, which is that now one of the big sort of ways of also viewing these topics is to as we take it from a very macro level view, is that we sort of aim to understand. Well, when you when you ask the simple question about what is money, right, even that question is so profoundly important to ask ourselves and especially as children growing up in the world. And how can we have an exchange of value that is more abundant and more around our flourishing and less around something that can be so easily corrupted and have these perverse incentives like we're experiencing today. And so you kind of begin to wonder, well, you know, how many people know about the perverse incentives around the fiat currencies and how many of them are involved in in that process? And then you can maybe ask a similar question about what happened on September 11th, 2001. And you can ask a similar question and wonder, you know, what actually happened then and what may be some of the perverse incentives that are involved in order to create financial or lucrative abundance for a certain small class of people involved there and what that sort of triggered geopolitically afterward after that event. And then finally, sort of the way to tie it in is like with what you're talking about regarding flat earth and space is something similar would have to be happening where you would basically have a small percentage of people. In this case, I'm just looking at some of the numbers. It looks like there's about 17,000 people that are employed at NASA. And there's about eight. There's about eight thousand. Hold on. Who gave you that number? Who gave you the number? Hold on. Who reports the number that you just got? NASA gave you that number. Yeah. Well, that's just that's just the number from from specifically from NASA. But we've also I just want to also say that we've interviewed, I don't know, maybe a couple of dozen people that are involved in the astrophysics industries across these different organizations. And that's a very small amount of the total amount of people that actually are employed there. And then I just want to say the SpaceX number is about 8000 employees. And then you have to extrapolate even more because there's the European Space Agency. There's a lot of space agencies around the world that have thousands of employees. So just basically my point would be that there would in a sense have to be potentially tens of thousands of people around the world that are in a sense behind something that are that are either I don't know how aware they would have to be about whether or not this is actually something that is at the top of that sort of hierarchy of of of of of not knowing that this is actually what's going on. That's a lot of people. And that's that'd be. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. That's a belief that you have. You believe that there's that many people working for these agencies. I believe it's a small fraction of that number. And I believe that lots of that fraction have no idea because it's all compartmentalized. OK, only the people at the very top of very few people will know. But I don't believe that SpaceX has these thousands of kids working there. It's not true. It's not true. I know dozens of kids that tried to get a job there that had high academic records and stuff. They all got turned down. Not one of them got a job there. OK, you know, this over the last few years, NASA, you know, I don't believe that there's nearly that number. I think there's a couple hundred people maybe that work there. I don't know the exact number. But they do need people because they got a fake stuff. All of the rocket launches we see are a deception. They're a they're a trick. They're really a trick. Nothing goes to space. You know, if you watch a NASA rocket go from Florida, it goes up. It curves out over the Bermuda Triangle. It's out of sight. The smoke trail stops after just like a minute and it's gone. And no one ever sees it again and you just see cartoons after that. OK, in Arizona, there was a private group of rocket enthusiasts that made their own rocket called the Go Fast rocket. And they had a camera on the side and a camera. God, where did all my videos go? I thought I had I thought I had some of these videos and they're gone. Had a camera on the side and a camera on the top. And it shot up and went up 73 miles in like no time, spinning really fast. And all of a sudden it went ka-plunk into a viscous liquid, OK, a viscous medium, OK, not as thick as water. But it went into something. It stopped spinning, it started floating and it turned on its side. And you can see the moon where you saw the moon. OK, well, the moon was over Australia at that very moment. OK, ball Earth, Arizona, Australia is down here. OK, and it saw the moon like it was looking across a flat plane. OK, the horizon is flat. Everything we see is above the earth within the system. The first page of the Bible, not that I'm a Bible guy, what my co-host says, says God separated the waters from the waters and made the firmament, Vernivron Braun on his gravestone. All it says is Psalm 19 one. And that's about that's that's the the where it talks about the firmament God made, you know, made, separated the waters from the waters. You know, if you look at NASA, everything they say is nautical terms, you know, spaceships and everything they talk about, it's all nautical terms about space. And when they want to go to outer space, I say the outer space is out there. It's out. It's out out there. It's out beyond the shoreline of Antarctica. There could be other worlds across the earth plane in the outer spaces. Like here we live and there's other continents out here. And some speculate, there's a guy named Martin Kenny who talks about the cosmic egg theory. And he thinks that Mars and Venus are a sun and a moon out here. And they circle around. And if you do an experiment with a glass dome and you have a distant sun, it looks like a star inside our dome, just like we see the wandering star that we call Mars is amazing stuff. Again, we don't have all the answers. But when you look, there is no curvature, large bodies of water at rest lay flat. OK. And we can see too far. We can take their globe mass. Maybe before we move on, because this I think it's just helpful for people to unpack what the understanding of the flat earth is, is it then the case that this is the kind of idea of there being an this is called like the Antarctic basin and there being some sort of an ice wall of Antarctica around the entire. So yeah, if you can unpack this. Yeah. So so think of what a pond is. A pond is a gathering of water at the low spot of land of land, right? Small puddle, you know, it goes to the low spot, right? A pond is just a big puddle, right? And the shoreline of the pond is the land that's higher than the water surface, right? Because if you lowered the end of the water would flow out and go to another low spot. But if there was some if you had a pond and there was some big bumps in the pond that were higher than the water, you'd have some islands, right? You with me? Not tell me you're with me. Otherwise, I think one of the most fascinating aspects to this is the fact there's no independent exploration allowed beyond the. Yeah, that's one of the most fascinating aspects to this. Yeah. Yeah. So so so check this out when if you get on a boat and go to England or go to Australia or just go to the next town over, you pull up to the shoreline and you climb out of the boat and you walk away, right? Well, when you get to Antarctica, you can't do that because the land is 200 feet over your head. Antarctica is the highest land on earth. They don't tell us that in school. We live in the Antarctic basin. Antarctica is not higher than Mount Everest, though. There's mountains in Antarctica that go higher than Mount Everest, right? But the land itself is higher than any other land on earth. Then, you know, any shorelines, the shoreline of Antarctica is higher than any other shoreline on earth. OK, so it's you hypothesize that it's this massive ice wall that is very high. Not a wall. It's the shore. It's the it's the shore, the shore, but it's very high. Yeah, but it's not a wall like the Game of Thrones where you could jump off the earth. OK, it's not that that that's all I see here. It looks like there's a big landmass is what you say is is is beyond that ice. Basically, I'm just showing you this is our world pond. We live here. This pink line is the 60th parallel and there's no exploration beyond that line. You're not allowed to bring any fuel beyond that line. It's still hundreds of miles from the shoreline of Antarctica. So, you know, you can. What would happen? What would happen if I went to the tip of South America and then went on an expedition with many resources down to Antarctica? The military would stop you and threaten to sink you and arrest you. And which which which military in the United Nations? I mean, they're not standing there holding hands, you know, making a circle all around like people will hypothesize, you know, trying to gaslight you. But there they can see, you know, if you go, they you will be stopped. And again, it takes a lot of resources. You need millions of dollars. And if you want to, if you want to go independently, explore, you can file some permits, you can file for a permit. It'll cost you a minimum of two hundred thousand dollars. You will get denied and they will keep the money. There's no returns. OK, they make it impossible to explore. But going back to the just the pond here, so this is the pond and the magnetic north is at the center and you can go around. As I was talking about before, you can circumnavigate. I think I saw about it. You can circumnavigate east or west around. That's how you circumnavigate billions of people have gone east or west and gone all the way around to the Far East and come all the way back around and ended up in New York and they started in California. Right, you can go either way. But what nobody has ever done is gone. You know, you can also go, you can also go north and end up on the other side. But if you go in a straight line and don't compensate for your compass, you end up going south and you hit Antarctica, no matter where you go. OK, if you want to go east or west, you have to constantly turn. You're going west, you have to turn to the right. If you want to go east, you have to turn to the left and you make a circle equidistant from the center. But if you go south, you just go away and never come back. And you don't pop up on the other side. No one's ever circumnavigated south. Isn't that weird? And no one's ever flown an airplane over Antarctica. No, you can go over Antarctica a little bit, but they turn around. So there was a guy, I think it's called the Z pilot, right? And he got the world record for circumnavigation. He went, you know, from the north, he went down. He came down to the east coast, went to these islands, went over, went to Santiago, then he went to Antarctica. And then he turned around and came back. And he went all the way up and around. And he got the world record from Guinness for circumnavigation. Let me show you what that looks like on a flat Earth map. It looks like that. Does that look like circumnavigating a sphere? Absolutely not. The fact that they won the world record for the first circumnavigation by Guinness tells you that there is deception going on, massive deception. OK. You know, did we look at flight routes yet? We didn't look at flight routes. We haven't done flight routes yet. Yeah, when you want to fly, that's an interesting question, though, just flying an airplane over Antarctica, just going, quote, no one's done it. Going south and right. Yeah, if you were, if you wanted to go from Santiago to Chile, which is at the bottom of the ball and Australia is at the bottom of the ball over here, all you got to do is go across Antarctica, right? And but they don't, they don't go. They or or just like 50 degrees south and go around the short part of the ball. But they don't do that either. When they want to go to Antarctica, they go, they go, where do they go? They go all they go from it from Santiago, Chile. They go all the way up to here we go, they go all the way up to the United States. They cut across and then they go all the way back down. So up, across and then down to Australia. That's how they go. They show you this big arch. But if you look at that same path on a flat earth map, it's a straight line. Airplanes fly over the earth plane in the straight lines. Interesting, right? Yeah, there's a lot that is is here. That's that's that's interesting to think about for sure. Yeah. Yeah, so so let's let's that enough on Antarctica, where were we on Antarctica? We could shift gears a little bit. What was what was what is the quote firmament in the flat earth? Yeah, the firmament is the dome is what they call the is divine as the dome above us. And what is the dome? Is it energetic? Is it glass? Is it frozen? I don't know. I can't go there. It's off limits. You know, is it is it far enough away from the earth with the electric static charge doesn't pull down and and it has its own electrostatic charge? That explains what sprites are and how lightning works. It's it's all very interesting. But again, I don't like looking up at the sky trying to figure out what shape the floor is, you know, look at the lights in your ceiling and tell me what shape your floor is makes no sense. You know, people say, well, the moon is a sphere, so the earth is a sphere. Are these spheres are these spherical moons? Is that a sphere? The first one? Oh, it's a it's cut. Is the next one a sphere? Is this one a sphere before she touches it? Looks like a sphere, right? Is it a sphere? Not a sphere, right? Is this one a sphere? What I'm saying is you don't know what's up in the sky. And even if they are spheres, it doesn't matter, you know, because you don't know what you're seeing. You know what I'm saying? So if the moon is a sphere and it kind of looks spherical to me, if you ask me, and if you look at Saturn, it really looks spherical. But it's not what they're telling us. It's not this massive body two hundred thirty eight thousand miles away. You know, it's its own light that has phases. Venus has its phases. It's the same thing as the moon. Saturn is its own light. The rings, they they're the same brightness as the planet. And they're supposed to be bits of ice floating in space. It's crazy. Crazy. Is Jupiter's look spherical? Does it? Does it even look like Jupiter? Because it's not. It's a it's a meadow with ducks in it. Our mind sees what it wants to see. Sorry to do that to you, but I like that one. I was I was checking out why the planes aren't flying over Antarctica. There are restrictions on aircrafts. Yeah, they can make up rules all all day long. It's too cold. It's too dangerous. If they crashed, it's too remote and it would cost too much to go there. You know, why don't they fly from Santiago across you know, Easter Island in the middle there? There's plenty of places to stop. Plains take longer flights over open ocean than that. But they don't do that either because you can't because that's not how the Earth is laid out. There's a book called You can get it for free, the ebook or you can get the coffee table book. If you want to flat smack anybody that comes to your house, it's called 16 flights, 16 emergency landings that prove flat Earth. And it shows flight routes where like a flight was coming from Indonesia going to California with Hawaii right in the middle there. And just halfway to Hawaii, a woman had a baby or someone had a heart attack or something and they needed to land. So the plane could have turned around. It could have landed in Hawaii. It could have gone to California, but it didn't. It went to Alaska. OK, that makes zero sense, except if you look at it on a flat Earth, it's a straight line in Alaska was the next land mass. OK, there's so many of these emergency landings where flights go thousands of miles out of their way for the emergency landing. But then if you draw the actual route over flat Earth, it may perfect sense it's the closest airport. What's going on in the firmament? What is that then if it's not a there's astrodynamics that are occurring with the solar system orbiting around the black hole in the center of the Milky Way and that when we look up, we see all the other celestial bodies and that the sun, those suns over there are the starlight that we see. What's going on in that firmament if it's in the flat Earth? Atlas, we're going to unpack some stuff today and you're going to have a lot of stuff to deal with because and by the way, I was you, trust me, you're going to have to realize that you've been deceived on what black holes are. Who told you about black holes? The Liars at NASA did. OK, who told you about all of the stuff that you just mentioned? The Liars at NASA did. OK, this is this is unbelievable. I took four years of astronomy in college. I was the man. I was so good at it. The girls came with study with me. They love me because I knew the stuff pseudoscience. It's all pseudoscience. This is the star Arcturus. Our optics, our consumer optics have outgrown their lives. This is just zooming in on Arcturus. OK, this is Capella. OK, it's a little out of focus. But look at these cinematic patterns. I believe that these stars are sentient in nature. OK. We actually had Rupert Sheldrake on the show and he specifically mentioned the sentience of stars, which I thought it was just an interesting point to mention along the way. Are you are you a believer in astrology? Oh, well, one of the crazy thoughts about that is that it's always interesting hearing kind of the hardcore scientists that for some reason believe that like it's possible that the moon, although it has the effect that it does on the oceans, as they say, that it that it for that it for some reason would not have that effect on the human body, which is composed of approximately 60 percent or what not. Water, so the tides are not related to the moon. Approvable, it's not related to the moon. You know, we have a big high tide when there's a full moon. I think that's because the moon is powered up. Now, when we have a new moon, the moon's not powered up and we don't have a giant tide, but the moon is still there. It just doesn't have sunlight reflecting off of it, according to the heliocentric model. The moon's still there. Why isn't there a high tide? OK, here's the official story. Here's the earth. Here's the moon. And there's a high tide right here because the moon is pulling on those waters. There's also a high tide on the other side. The official story for that is the moon is pulling on the waters and it's also pulling the earth away from the water on the other side. That's the most the dumbest thing I've ever heard. OK, it's nonsense. And the tides don't correlate with the moons. There's tidal nodes all over the place. OK, I there's there's we have videos on the app that'll show you about the tidal nodes, how these tides work. Tides in the north are way bigger than tides at the equator. The opposite should be true because the moon and the sun are in between the two tropics, so that's where the biggest tidal soldiers should be. But, you know, like in the Maldives, there's like a less than a foot tide. In Alaska, there's a 30 foot tide. OK, none of that makes any sense on a spinning ball earth, none of it. And so then what's the case here with the optics when you look up at the firmament, what are we what are we seeing? So we're seeing whatever we're seeing. The only thing that we can honestly say about any of the things we see in the sky other than known airplanes are their lights, their luminaries. We don't know how big they are. We don't know how far they are. We can't prove it. And you can only speculate. OK, this is this is the star. What's what stars is? This is serious, right? This is not what NASA shows us. Each of these stars have their own like personality and they have these geometric, systematic patterns and colors. It's insane. Yeah. So I love that. That's great. Yeah. So but then the hypothesis is that you're saying that in what in that firmament that you're saying that we don't know how actually far away that that is. You can't just measure the quote light, the distance that the light traveled. And don't say that it's that many light years away. There's no such thing as a light year. So the other thing is the the. How does that work about astrology? I used to laugh at astrology. How could, you know, Jupiter's conjunction with Saturn affect me? It's 25 million miles away. It's a rock in space. What difference does it make or it's gases? How is that going to affect me? Well, what if I told you it was within the Earth system? It's a stone's throw away. It's energetic. It's magnetic. It's they're named after gods. OK. Maybe stars or souls and the wandering stars are angels, gods. I don't know. Right. But there all of that makes more sense. You know, maybe our true souls live, you know, in the stars. And we come and then we have these experience here, maybe the stars are the souls. I mean, without your soul, you basically die, right? But that's the light, you know, the energy in our bodies. It's all tied together. I don't believe humans can live off of the Earth or far from it. I don't believe anyone's gotten over, I don't know, less than 200,000 feet, I think. I don't know. I mean, there was when I was a kid, they were doing test pilots, you know, where they were talking about on the news. The, you know, when they're getting ready to go to the or. It was actually before I was a kid, but they talked about these test pilots flying these planes super high and they were saying that they pass out, they could see through their eyelids. They couldn't think, you know, because they're too far away from this electric Earth, we're part of the Earth system, right? We can't be away from it, in my opinion. This is this matrix reality that we're in. It's it's wild. And then you also mentioned that the. Oh, maybe this would be a good one to sort of go to next. I think you were mentioning it, but we didn't really get to talk about. We actually talked about this a little bit with Joshua Earp on the show, who ended up unpacking some of his thoughts around this space as well. And then that's how I believe somebody that was watching the interview introduced us and then recommended that we have you on the show and that one of the things that Joshua was mentioning that it looks like we can maybe talk to you about as well a little bit here is that sort of idea of that. What we what we've what we've become familiar with as a curvature. But in this case, it is a very sort of flat. And you kind of had that image up earlier where there was that flat with you had a star that was sort of orbiting it up from the top. Maybe you can bring that back and sort of explain. Yeah, so explain kind of how the diet, those those quote, astrodynamics would work in the flat earth. So what you're seeing there is the sun and the moon circling around. There's a full moon that's diametrically opposed to to the earth. Let me let me show you. Well, so the question is, how does that sun and moon float in the sky? How does it? I don't believe the sun and the moon that we see are physical. Here's a little experiment I did. This is a glass dome on top of a white rug, a fluffy rug. And I'm moving up and light across level with the ground across. And you watch inside the dome, you'll see this little sun and it goes down. Now it's going to come back in a second and it never goes below the bottom. It just stops right there and it just fades away as the light goes away. So here comes the light again. And it's hard to see on the video, but it's inside. There's a there's like a sphere inside there and then it goes away. Watch, it'll stop right at the bottom and then it fades away to nothing. OK, here's the same thing. This is a little flat earth model and there's a sun floating in the middle in there. What is that? Right. Well, the real sun is above the firmament. And I'm just holding a light above the firmament and spinning it around. And we're seeing this crazy thing in the sky. So so flat earth is layered where you have a firmament that's above the flat earth. And then you have you have the celestial like the sun is above the firmament. Is don't know the sun could be within the firmament. It could be above the firmament. It could be projected from the North Pole like like the planetarium projects everything from the north from the center. OK, it could be what we don't have access to there either. So let me show you a real world example of what I'm what I'm talking about. So this is the sun and my drone. It's a super, super clear day. This is super zoomed in. So it's a little fuzzy and I watch the sun go from here way up, way up here. It took five minutes and went down, down, down, down, down. And then it stopped right at this horizon and it sat there for 10 minutes. Now, this is sped up like 2,500 percent. Watch, it doesn't go down. It stopped, which proves the earth isn't spinning. And then it just watches doesn't go below. It just fades into the thickness. I'm going to zoom out a little bit. You'll see it again. It sat there for 10 minutes and then it just faded out. This is a super clear zero humidity day. It was cold, no humidity, crystal clear, and it just fades away. Now the sun's still there, but it just can't push through the thickness of the atmosphere. I call it the atmospheric density. And this line right here, that that horizon that we see is not the ground. That's just the atmospheric density level that becomes opaque. And it looks like it's the ground just due to perspective. If you see clouds above your head, they spotted fluffy, fluffy clouds at five, ten thousand feet, whatever they are, 25 miles away over the water, they're touching the water. They literally become the same horizon and you can't tell the difference. So if I have a sun up here, here's this atmospheric deck of opacity above your eye level. And I've got a sun and the sun just goes away. It's not going down, but it looks like it's setting. And this line here looks like it's the horizon. So literally, you know, if I do it here, watch, it's not going to set because it's not above your eye level. But when it's above your eye level, it sets. It's all due to atmospheric. Now, in the app, let me let me show you a real quick in the app. How the two minute run through of the Flat Earth model. You OK with that? Yeah, let's see it in the app. Yeah. So yeah, you're you're not only the founder and host of the Flat Earth podcast, but also the creator of the Flat Earth Sun, Moon and Zodiac Clock app. So this is what we're looking at. It's on is this on iOS and Android, both it is. It is. I'll give you a link to put in the description. So this is the Flat Earth, Sun, Moon and Zodiac Clock app. And so remember, we live in the Antarctic Basin. I'm going to go into settings here and let me just put a more descriptive background, these are just decorative backgrounds. So there there's Antarctica, right? Whatever, I like I like that one. It's actually not Antarctica, but it is what it is. So there's the the world pond right here and the sky is a perfect clock. It's not a beehive that doesn't work. It's a perfect clock. So the sun goes around once every 24 hours. OK, and it laps the moon once I'll speed it up. It laps the moon once every 28 days. So you'll see after a couple more times around it elapsed the moon and the moon will be full when it's opposed to the sun at 180 degrees. Now, if you look at where the sun is right now, it's over that outer yellow line and that's the Tropic of Capricorn. I'll slow it down so you don't get dizzy. All right, it's over the topic of Capricorn. It's actually exactly over the topic of Capricorn today because we're at the winter solstice, December 21st. Six months later, it'll migrate inwards to the Tropic of Cancer. So in June, it's now June 22nd, it's over the Tropic of Cancer. Now, we live in the inner northern lands. We live in the inner northern lands. So in June, it's our summer and the outer the outer lands, the outer southern lands have their winter. Yeah, yeah, I see how you're modeling this. Yeah, I see how you're modeling this. All right, so this is how it works. And I'm going to prove to you that I'm right. OK, so right now it's December 21st. It's the middle of our winter and it's the height of Australia's summer. It's brutally hot in Australia because the sun is right over them. All right. So the sun, wherever the sun is, it's 12 noon ready. It's 12 noon now in Western Australia. OK, and so wherever the sun is on this, it's it's 12 noon. So if I turn on the stars, these are all the zodiacal stars. And right now we're in between two to zodiac signs. And the zodiac spins slightly faster than the sun, that it'll it takes a full year for the zodiac to lap the sun. So the sun is going to move into what is this? What are we going to the tourists, whatever? And then the next month, it'll move over to the next one. The next month, it'll be in Pisces, right? Because this will take a full year. It spins with the sun, but it's going slightly faster. And that's how the sun is in. And it's signed for 12 for a for a month, you know, all 12 signs. The moon itself will move in and out of signs every couple of days. So it'll show you where the moon is also. Let me turn off, turn that off and I'll turn on. The world time. So this is how time zones work right now. It's like 10 30 in the morning in Eastern Australia. OK, it's noon in New Zealand. You can't see New Zealand, but it's right under the sun, right? It's 7 30 in the East Coast right here. OK, so this this ring here spins with the sun. And that tells you what time it is in all of those lands. Right, I'll turn that off. And. The what else are we going to show you on here? So the question is you'll say, well, what about? And you hit the question mark. And you say, you know, what about circumnavigation? I think we talked about that. You know, what about seasons? Which I just showed you how seasons work. You know, what about southern flights? We talked about that, you know, or why the lie? And if you click any one of these up comes what Google will never give you. These are the videos that will tell you all about it. Like if you search Flat Earth, you're going to get the Flatter Society. You're going to get a bunch of junk. If you search, hey, Flatter, anything has Flatter Earth in it new every day. They load they load hundreds of new crap videos to gatekeep you to make you go, oh, this is stupid. There's no sensors fighting. It's just it's just garbage. So all of your questions are answered here. This is the web page. We have stuff on mud floods and all sorts of stuff. But what's going to happen is when you Google Flat Earth, you're going to get Nat Geo saying, oh, that we went to the Salton Sea and they did an experiment there and we proved curvature. No, they didn't. They they lied and we basically in the middle one down here debunking the debunkers. All of the hit pieces done by them. We don't just take them and go, they're lying. We show you how they're faking it clearly, not even a question. We show you that National Geographic is lying that, you know, the the Omni is lying that that they're they're lying about all of the stuff. So if you catch them lying, something's wrong. We have different languages, playlists in different languages. And there's just a whole bunch of other things the app does. It's got to take you to dark sky if you click the weather. But here's what I tell people, if you think Flat Earth is stupid, if you think NASA is in any way real, OK. Take the daily app challenge, the daily featured video app challenge. Every day, a new video will show up here. You click it and it brings you to the daily video. Short ones during the week, longer ones on the weekend and just watch it every day for two weeks, one video a day for two weeks. Right. It doesn't take much time while you're having breakfast, whatever. And guaranteed by the end of that two weeks, you will know a lot more than you know now. And here's what happens. People say, hey, Dave, I saw you on Atlas's show. You really pissed me off. And I bought your stupid app for two dollars and ninety nine cents to half a beer and I don't want to wait every day. So I click the archive button. And what that does is to bring you to all of the videos listed by month for the last couple of years and they go, I haven't slept in two days. I don't know what to do with myself. You know, there's something wrong with the globe. What do I do? And I'm like, welcome to Flat Earth. If we hit the compass button, this is how a compass works on Flat Earth. As I was telling you, if you go east, if you go west from here, you go west is 270 degrees. Dead reckoning brings you all the way around and back. East brings you all the way around and back. Going north from the United States, north, north, north, north, north, south. Now I'm going south, right? And I'm going in a straight line. None of those three things proves that the earth is a globe or flat because you can do them on both. What proves that the earth is not a globe is nobody goes from South America and pops up in Australia or, you know, from from Johannesburg and pops up in New Zealand. Nobody does it. Nobody does it. If the earth was a globe, it'd be done all the time. Right? I would. That's probably one of my favorite experiments from our conversation that I would love for us to conduct. A couple of years ago, they said. There you can be the first. We're going to book a flight across Antarctica. That's going to go to Australia from Santiago and they sold tickets. People paid like $10,000 a ticket and it was going to be a historic thing. And they built it up, they built it up, they built it up, they got everyone's money and then it disappeared and they never did it. So that yeah, this is this would be probably my one of my favorite. Like interesting and also simple. It's not that difficult in the sense of just bringing the videography equipment and then going on a flight and then just capturing the entirety of the process. And that's probably one of the easiest ways to leverage that sort of scientific methodological process to validate said concepts about the world that we live in. I think that's a that's a really that's a really kind of like first principled one is take the flight of fly from South Africa or from South America and go over Antarctica. And that's a that's a good one. I like that one a lot. Alice, I like it too. No one's ever done it. No one will ever do it. The earth is flat. It's a moot point. It's a great argument. We should do it. We should do it. You can't do it. They won't allow you to do it. People have tried. Well, we should. We should. Yeah, it would be great because then we would know. We would also go to the moon. Why don't we just go to the moon? We apparently are again, which is fantastic. And that's in 2025. What are they? How far did they kick it down the road this time? Something like that. It's apparently it's a very difficult project. You know, we're just one percent genetically different than our fellow chimpanzees. So it's how come they're still chimpanzees? How come they didn't evolve? How what during our lives, how what animal has turned into another animal? OK, well, humans are I mean, humans are what? Like a hundred thousand modern, you know, years old. So we are we five thousand years old. Or we less. Here's the thing. You can't prove anything before the 1900s. It's all all of our history is is is a is a lie. You know, the the transcontinental railroads weren't built. They were excavated. OK. They were excavated. They were here before this round of civilization. OK, there was a advanced civilization on the app under the web button. Bottom right corner, mud floods, Tataria, bring food and water if you click that button because you're not coming out for a long time. OK, bring food and water. Here's the thing, my friend, there's so much that you're going to have to realize that. Anything you hear from NASA, anytime you hear anything from NASA, anything with the with the country, North Korea in it or anything with the word nuclear bombs in it, you have to discount it one hundred. Oh, yeah. Thank you for bringing this back up. So then what is your perspective about both the nuclear bombs and also Nagasaki and North Korea? And also, yeah, I mean, we talk in modernity, we use the number that there's approximately over 10,000 nuclear bombs that are mostly owned by the United States and Russia today. Who told you that? The guys on the news, the government, the guys that are here for our health, the guys that don't want to control us, they don't want us to be in fear, do they? The whole nuclear bombs do not exist. So let's talk about Hiroshima and Nagasaki real quick so that there's this there's no such thing as a nuclear bomb period. So this is now what happened before we have a nuclear bomb. What about 1945? What was your what's that? That's how you cut out for a second. What was your perspective about the 1945 droppings of the nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Yeah. OK. So after those those bombs went off, no reporters were allowed to report what's going out of there. Only one reporter that was a government controlled reporter was allowed to report anyone else taking pictures or reporting was jailed. OK, so that's interesting. Did you know that after those bombs went off? Three days later, the trains were running. The flower shops were selling flowers on the street. The stores were open and people went back to work. Three days after those bombs went off. OK, there's video of them stockpiling up pallets and pallets and pallets of TNT at ground zero prior to the explosion. OK. Nuclear bombs don't exist period. They don't exist. There's no such thing as a nuclear bomb. It's all just to build up the the war machine. Keep us in fear because if you are lost in space, living in fear of asteroids and nuclear bombs, you are powerless and you give your power away willingly. You lose control of your life and that's what they want. This is a spiritual war. They want control of your soul and they're going to scare the shit out of you to give it up, OK? North Korea. Kim Jong-Yung is not the leader of North Korea. North Korea is nothing like they tell us. Kim Jong-Yung is a mental patient from an institution who can barely talk. They get him to clap in front of a green screen and it's Kim. And he and they show you all of these troops and missiles and you zoom in on those high resolution pictures of the troops, they're the same troops. Step to repeat it again and again and again. It's all fake. There are no rockets that go into space. There are no intercontinental ballistic missiles. There is there are like cruise missiles. That's cool. It goes a couple hundred miles, maybe, but that's it. A lot to unpack. I don't want you to. So here's the thing. If you want to learn about nuclear bombs, there's one show that you have to watch. Crow triple seven radio. Crow with two hours. Crow triple seven radio. Go to his website. Crow triple seven radio dot com with two hours and look up the nuclear bomb hoax video that there's there are two hour shows. Hour one is free. You don't have to pay for it. And that's just just listen to that first hour and you will know that there's no such thing as nuclear bombs. You also know that North Korea doesn't exist. Oh, that it just doesn't exist. It's there, but it's not the country that they're telling you. It's probably where the elite go and, you know, have who knows what they're doing over there. It's a land that we have no access to. You have no, you don't see anything. And you remember when Dennis Rodman went there, it was a bunch of guys in front of computers that didn't even know what they were doing. OK, they didn't show anything. Go find footage of Kim Jong Young doing anything intelligent that proves that he's anything above a fifth grade mental patient. OK, there's nothing. Right. And he's the guy that's, you know, keeping the world at bay. It's just to scare us. Yeah, all of what you were saying about fear is extremely important. We kind of talked about that metaphysically throughout the program that in a sense, the creation is a perfect harmonic flux between two poles as they sort of ascend in a process of evolution and unfoldment. And it's sort of that's one of the greatest symbols that's ever been made, which is the yin and yang. And then if you sort of add in that that electromagnetism like a helical coil and you add a strange attractor at the top, which is like a god head, which is what we're evolving towards as a complex system, that what you've identified repeatedly is sort of the that darkness which keeps people in fear. And in many ways, that is what people, even ones that are potentially not associated with flat earth, they very clearly know, many of them, that there there there is some sort of a deeper fear propaganda structure that exists, that keeps people asleep to their full awakening and their full actualized potential and their full ability to to build an architect a more abundant and prosperous future for absolutely everybody that doesn't have some sort of a short term gratification, fulfilling, self-dealing, ego driven processes, but rather ones that are very deeply light, love, wisdom-based, inclusive, stakeholder-shared equity for people around the planet. And so that's definitely something that we talk about on the program a lot and sort of helping people realize that we are the ones that must be those light architects and go in that direction away from that fear. And so it's interesting to hear your thoughts about nuclear weapons and North Korea as well. All about fear. There's nothing to fear. So, you know, you have to give up a lot. It seems like you're giving up a lot when you accept the facts that we're on a flat stationary plane, like all of we've been programmed our whole lives from before we can talk with ball, you know, Sesame Street and all the kids programming, it's all ball programming. Rene von Braun and NASA astronauts are on Sesame Street. There you go to school, you got a globe, Rockefeller funded globe at the front of every class, you know, global news, universal picture with their spinning globe. Everything is just programming. And then all of the movies, Star Wars, Star Trek, you know, Battlestar Galactica with who loves everyone loves space. So you're you're caught in the air and then aliens. Well, there's got to be aliens. You know, that's a big debate. Well, I believe there's extraterrestrials. They come from the extra terra beyond Antarctica, the extra land, territory, extraterrestrials, OK, they don't travel trillions of miles and then come here and crash in Roswell, they're coming from beyond Antarctica. OK, and that's it. I mean, they've been coming from lands out in the southern oceans that we can't get to because GPS makes you go this way and GPS makes you go that way. And east and west, there's circles. So you there's swaths of ocean that nobody ever goes in. Remember, this is going to be the best, I think, project to do is sort of fund a and a video of very well documented video of a crew that is non-biased to go on this expedition over Antarctica in a flight. And that would be a very important piece of content in the sense of whether it be supporting either one of these or debunking either one of these. You can do it. You would wipe out the Flat Earth movement. It would be over. God bless you, but you can't do it because it doesn't exist. That's that's very fascinating that we got to this point on the conversation, though, one of one of the heads of the Flat Earth movement, David Weiss, says that if we can scientifically, non-biased, provably, provably undergo this process, maybe we even put David in the actual flight along with scientists and people that are non-biased, you know, this type of thing, they tried to do that. They had it and that they had a flight planned. Then they started putting restrictions on no scientific equipment is allowed on the airplane, right? And then people, you know, a bunch of Flat Earth. There's actually a few Flat Earthers paid for the trip. They were going to go on and and they were going to bring, you know, compasses and all sorts of, you know, another gyros and stuff. They stole all the money. They canceled the flight. They're like, there's no way we're going to do this. Right? That flight was to prove that they were going to fake it and and make people believe that it was done. But when Flat Earthers infiltrated it, they canceled the whole thing. Here's a simpler one that that you could try to do, but it would never work. Is Antarctica is an island, you know, a continent at the bottom of the ball. You get two ships that can see the shoreline of Antarctica and they go in opposite directions. One goes to the right, one goes to the left. Always keep in the shoreline in view and seven thousand miles later, they should meet. Hmm. They won't because it's like 60,000 miles around. Right. Remember, the equator is only 24,000 miles. That's another interesting experience. So now there's two. That's another interesting one. So if they both. So if you start both of these two ships, larger ships, let's say, we bring these similar crews on board each of them. As long as you keep Antarctica inside. Yes, keep Antarctica inside as both ships go the opposite direction. Yeah. And technically, they should meet here on a thousand miles later. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's I love these two experiments. I'm telling you, this is this is what this I'm telling you. This is the whole point of our show simulation. The entire point of our show is to do exactly what you and I just got to. So it requires people to not be dogmatic, first of all, it requires people to not be fundamentalist, because in this case, I have a level of in this case, it's called a mirror consciousness as an interviewer. And so I'm willing to undergo a high emotional intelligence process of going through an hour of dialectic with you in a loving and compassionate way to unfold sort of what your worldview is. And then what we get to is a very fascinating, scientifically, methodologically process that we can undergo to. There's two options to undergo here. Let's do both, which would be even better to do both of these that would then provide our our world with another augmented understanding of what is the true nature of our existence. And so I think this is extremely beautiful and important. And I'm really glad that we got here together. And this is going to be something that I now passionately embark on as one of the many projects that's in our in our trains that are that are rolling that we're putting fuel into because to get the planet to want to fund these two ways of understanding the nature of of our existence. And like you said, David Weiss even said it here on the show. He said that if those two projects go through and that they prove what the models that exist today say is true, then the whole Flat Earth Society would be wiped out, which is very interesting that he said that. Yeah, we're not the Flat Earth Society. But yes, they'd be what do you what do you call it's just the Flat Earth researchers. Flat Earth Society is control definition control. Oh, OK, OK. So they're wiped out too. So they'd be wiped out too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go. So it's just they have Flat Earth researchers. There you go. And I was I was looking up the numbers as well in terms of if some of these numbers are true in terms of having somewhere around maybe maybe 10 percent of people in the United States that think that the spherical Earth model is maybe there's 10 million people in the US that don't think the spherical Earth model is is correct, or maybe there's potentially even 100 million people around the planet that don't believe the spherical Earth model is correct. And so what we could do is by running these experiments, we can actually have a significant amount of people around the planet potentially undergo a process of, wow, now that I've seen these two experiments, and maybe we even create a part, a process of people like like you were saying a roller coaster ride in a sense for people to go on these flights or on these ships to be able to see it themselves that way it's no longer so we can actually make the proper businesses around this to even make these things sustainable. And I think that's really interesting and important from the heart to do this type of stuff. All right, Atlas, I think we've got to wrap it up. I got another interview in five minutes. Oh, oh, shit. OK, yeah, beautiful. Wow, what a cool ending, David. Yeah, this is so interesting. I really appreciate you a lot. All right. And you got a lot of thinking to do because when you unpack this stuff, sometimes you get up, people say it doesn't matter what we show you if there's you're never willing to change your mind. Well, guess what? We changed our mind. We believed in the globe our entire lives and we were able to put that away. I will change my mind based on new good information. OK, show me the good information. I've been doing it for six years. I've been asking people show me one proof. One reason that you believe you live on a globe. And the only thing I get is I was taught in school, you know, pictures and I saw it on TV. You know, that's not a proof. One proof of the globe. Nobody can come up with one. And then people I go, don't you think that's weird that you can't come up with one? They're like, well, I still believe the earth is a globe, right? And I'm like, yeah, this this one. And wait, here's a couple of people. Come up with one. Get my app. It's a question mark. That's what we did. Your answer. The question is answered in there. Guaranteed. This is this is what we did at the end of the show is we got to a process that would enable people to experientially, not even based on information that they read online, but experientially undergo either that ship or that flight process that would then experientially anchor that style of thought process within them. OK, let's wrap. So thank you, everybody, for tuning in. We greatly appreciate you. What an interesting episode that we had with Dave. Thank you for coming on the program. Thanks for tuning in, everyone. Let us know your thoughts in the comments below on the episode. We would love to hear from you about some of the things that we were learning. And also, if like the video, let's get this video some more reach. Subscribe if you haven't to the channel. 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