 Yeah, yeah Christopher Stuckman so we meet again. Imagine his name our fates entretwine like his middle name was No, Stephen and then Then it was Tuckman, and he was like what if I took the ass and Put it onto the Tuckman And it becomes stuck man. What does stuck man make you think of that? He's stuck Yeah, he's kind of stuff. I don't know that it makes me think of anything honestly There's got to be something thematically valuable about his name You know Chris is a very uncommon name. It makes you think of all kinds of things, right? Who's called a common nobody on the uh that montage I made of his thumbnail faces someone said his face is stuck man And I wish I thought of that Why did you put a copyright song on that video you fool people can't watch it on video randomly on stream It just it was the perfect song, you know, there's nothing that could be done about it You know what I appreciate that the oct comes first You're not a producer or anything. Are you you're more of a creative? Yeah Not one of those suits Gross trying to tell artists what to do. Yeah. Have you want to see it? No, because that would mean I'm not creative Well, you know, we should probably just go ahead and start getting into this this this wacky Bonus e-fap I steal really people like what is happening here? And it's like, yeah bet You didn't expect to see e-fap on us on a on a Wednesday. That's where we are, right? It's Humpty Gonna be crazy man Wednesday if house, you never know what's gonna happen if ever they pop up It probably means that something happened something weird and wacky and that we wanted to cover it And you know what that kind of does cover it We do and will definitely be talking about something wild and wacky with a guest set that will change Probably as we talk about it But if you're in the world of film you likely would have heard about something that happened recently a rumbling And that rumbling comes in the form of Jay long bone upset and everybody. What's wrong with you? Oh Hey, I can't believe you've done this. I can't believe you've done this There's opinions you're allowed to have and then there's what you say and that's just too much and you know when I saw God he's such that he's so annoying on Twitter. I was like Someone needs to send him messages and fall for trying to get a life, you know That needs to happen What's funny is that'll be in here as well and that'll just go to show anybody was curious like yeah We get death threats a lot from saying people are annoying. It happens. That's the yeah Just other people can sort of use that to their advantage Do you remember when fucking Patrick Willems tweeted out the one talking about wanting to kill him? I think and they ended it with they were from the molar army Yeah, that was almost certainly like Dumbledore's army Have I ever called you can Dumbledore's army Molar army assemble. Yeah, that was one of those ones. It's like hello fellow molar our bites Here I am to fight the fight the war. Yeah, that's what we do. Oh Molar army rise up indeed Yeah, what we're doing here today is we're checking out the origin of this gigantic war and All the players involved all the opinions you could possibly have I'll share in some of our own you'd never guess it starts with a Chris Stuckman video Not fucking crazy No, nothing's crazy. This is all just so All right, geez I was gonna say like I feel like it's a it's a bit of a crazy thing to have happen because just Nothing usually comes of what he says That's a good point actually you're right. You're right because usually the videos are so dull that there's nothing to fight I don't even see his stuff getting shared ever like not in the sense of oh, you got to check out the new Stuckman video But just in the sense of oh, yeah Chris like highlighted this about this or there's a clip where someone goes wow This is really a good point of view about blah blah blah. It's like nope never ever ever see him Jizznet it is a little strange because you figure that it will happen Occasionally by virtue of saying interesting things by accident even That's that's the internet though our good friend Ryan Praised the Batman and got you know got a lot of criticism for saying there were too many black people in it But but he was still praising the movie But to be fair to Stuckman, I mean he still delivered it was still really dull. It was just a reaction Well, I sometimes I wonder if he even realizes what he says is controversial because I don't think he aims to ever I think he wants to stay under the radar all times We've got we've got a little segment in here as well that we'll talk about where he didn't he does not do Well when he thinks he's being made fun of and I think now that reflects Also funnily enough it's a clip I don't have in here, but one the Chris Gore had sent me who's who's also here. I think he's muted there is on the end Hello, I was gonna say that the the the clip was he says when I become a writer I don't know if I'm gonna be able to like deal with Sort of the the comments and criticisms that often get doled out to them or something it's something like that It's very indicative of like oh Like people don't like me made fun of I guess But it is one of the if there were ten rules of starting up like a public-facing Job be it YouTube or whatever. Have you? Expect that and take it for what it is which can often be fun You know it's not something everyone gets taught and so a lot of people come away from it very very Upset and abrasive if ever you're like wow, that's silly Because one of the things we often get or at least we used to not anymore We used to get the whole like why you why are you covering Chris duckman? He's harmless It's like well, I mean his opinions Well, he's closed harm now. He's a harm harmful. He's got harmful opinions. How about that? What by the way on on YouTube when I? When I refresh the page Generally it pops right up with you know e-fap streaming and sometimes the thumbnail does an update So we get a little This is absolutely a sequel to the matter web episode though, like oh, yeah, you're right. That is true By the way, I check everything that really that really shouldn't be the thumbnail. I don't know why it is but um, I Can't fix that When I clicked on it Okay, well, yeah, it's having a good it's having a little like an update thing. Yeah So yes, what what the way I've constructed this this compilation is that we have all the context in it So I don't really need to do anything other than saying it's Chris stuckman related and he's got some opinions that have That have caused just a ripple effect and we're gonna go through it all and ask each other What maybe we think about all the different things to get brought up It is sparked conversation that broadly speaking could be identified as please never Criticize writers or directors for the state of film because they are trying damn it It's hard. Yeah, it's hard. Hmm. Not a statement. Yeah. Hmm, but maybe They put on their helmets and they get their lunch pails and they go down and they make believe minds I've got your tweet I've got that in you The ideas I'll say it for formal I do have some memes in here as well cuz it's down in the minds. I was making movies in the film lines for 14 hours today Now is everybody in the watch together who wishes to be I Am there and I do wish to be there one door. I think yourself I was I don't know if Chris is so goal is supposed to be That doesn't I assume he knows how to use this code. It's just he's muted. I don't know if he knows that's all Yeah, Chris. Yeah, there's thinking we can't hear you. Yes. You are muted. There is a right icon You need to you got to take charge. You got to be the master of your own destiny like Christopher Stuckman Anyway, yes, all right. Well, we're gonna get started get ready check out. Let's do it. I ready Stuckman video Ready for a stuck manizing classic Strap on Drap in everyone. Let's go There he is Chris are you is that your Minecraft character? Yeah, that's my fun co-pop version of me. Oh It looks just like stuck let's get stuck man eyes. Yeah So exciting That terrible it's that terrible middle ground between quaint and old school like his old one is and Really well produced so it just comes across as Like a really it just comes across as cheap and uninspired I'm Appreciate the old intro yeah neat and he was like attached to it There's charm to the old one in that it's like here's my YouTube review of a movie giant explosion You're like, yeah, that's kind of fun This one feels a little bit more try-hard in that it's like this is cinema and the crazy thing is that it's kind of Setting you up for like here we go and then he's like Today I am reviewing Lay's potato chips no flavor of course other than we got to start with a no flavor one So that when you talk about the flavor ones you have the contrast. No, no, that's too excited. That's way too exciting Whoa, we're not doing it. It's not go crazy. So I just saw madam web. I'm sorry Actually, I don't know. I hope you're fun No, yeah, I I Madam web brought us joy. I have seen some people say they kind of He does yeah, I've seen some people say they kind of glad madam web came along in terms of just It's nice to get that kind of a bad movie every once in a while the one that doesn't piss you off the one that doesn't you know Slaughtering a little bit characters and that is made so incompetently. It's kind of funny Yeah, they made their own stuff to poop all over they didn't take someone else's toys. Well, those madam web isn't there That is technically you're at least so self-contained and compartmentalized It is a technically as they promote it in the marketing a new continuity. This is not a or at least That's what Dakota Johnson said. It's not a part of any other spider. That's what they said as part of the marketing. Yes There was no now it is part of a standalone continuity in the sense that it will be alone forever There will be no more films So I just saw madam web there was no screening forward in my area there were no late-night showings before the day So I had to go Yeah, like I get to go to press greetings typically I get to go see the film early, but this time I didn't get to So I just have to go and I like everybody else. They made me stand in line No, there wasn't a line from madam web They made me go to the theater and purchase. They made me purchase a ticket and my own popcorn Next you'll tell me you're a producer or something if the if listen if there had been other people in that theater They would have been normies. They would have been the public I suppose what I find interesting is that it's kind of like moved past a conversation that could be had which is that the Review embargo for this film. I think was a day before it came out less than a day Which is Fascinating it's always interesting, you know when that embargo is not because it necessarily tells you What the quality of the film or the game is going to be but there is a general sort of trend of The earlier the reviews dropped the more confident the studio or the publisher Probably isn't the thing that they're releasing Like Sony will often do their review embargoes for their big cinematic games like, you know, two or three weeks early Meanwhile a lot of I remember it was a it was Assassin's Creed unity I think had its review embargo was after the game was out Like it was nine or ten hours after the game released And if anybody remembers Assassin's Creed unity did not work. No Eyeballs, right? Yes, that was one of the it was one of the kind of the og Crazy controversy. Yeah, that was at the beginning of the eighth generation Which saw more and more and more and more of these bad launches And then of course the other example that always struck by the way I would recommend Assassin's Creed unity to people. I hear it's a lot Pretty good at this point. I played it. I've played it a bit It's one of my games I need to go back and finish but I was very impressed with how well it ran considering I've never seen that many NPCs in a game before like everyone just moving around and walking around So it was very impressive. So I would recommend Assassin's Creed unity just for the people walking around Just for all the Frenchmen walking around With their shoes a Recent and relevant one is that doing two's reviews have been released now and that film doesn't come out for another couple weeks, right? March 1st, it comes out March 1st or February 29th. I've seen it. I've seen it by the way. So what do you think? Yeah, I Really like it a lot and I have problems and I think a lot of the problems stem from the fact that I love the book So there's departure from the book and in particular Final shot of the movie really bugs me because I think it's Setting up a third one or a conflict that wasn't in the book for a third one. So I'm mixed. I'm mixed about it, but all this hype of it's the greatest war movie since two towers incorrect Is the go through that so many times there's so many movies That's because what happens with a lot of critics is they have the sort of Sort of they're one mind like the Borg so when they have an opinion about something You'll see like a very similar opinion or even similar things echoed like that Arizona two towers, which is is inaccurate in my opinion. So it's very good There's a lot to love there and there's a lot to nitpick and I'm gonna talk about it on film threat later But yeah, I think I think it's being a little overhyped. It's being a little overhyped You'll see for yourself. You'll see for yourself. And this is what movies are doing part to part to You can actually see it on the 25th of February. There are sort of Yeah, yeah, I think Gary you have tickets for that, right? I do I do So we'll have a discussion. We'll have a discussion. Yes, we will so the greatest war movie since two towers Obviously return the king Yeah, thank you Well played and I thought to myself probably not gonna do a video for this one based off of what I've heard Since I do try to keep it mostly about film celebration on this channel having seen Did you know that you could say a lot of things by the things you do not say it is a very interesting quirk of the human condition I've discovered you love that that years on this planet. That is Absolutely the thing we need to set as the foundation for this whole stream is how much can be said by not saying certain things So it's just I've been trying to I've been trying to keep the vibe at the Stuckman household positive And non-alcoholic so Tiffany will not be joining us for New Year's Wanted to stay yeah, I'm not saying anything about anything Yeah, so this we will we will get to the portion with Twitter eventually, but we're gonna watch the video first And that's what this is and so yes when when someone says to you I'm not gonna talk about madam web because of from what I've heard and because this is about film celebration You're like wow, how bad was it? The funny thing is it's like even in a parody sense I feel like I could come up with a five minute video. Maybe maybe even ten minutes praising madam web You could give it a try. Yeah, yeah I could talk about Good god, I can't wait to see cinema wins try to make use of madam web that would that we'll have to wait a while for that one You'll avoid that one. He won't do it. Yeah, that was a difficult One for Morbius that's a good question I shall discover the My guess would be that he would not do one for madam web I mean he's been known to target films even the ones that are really bad, right? Sometimes What We of course have everything wrong with Because of course, but I can't see in everything all the wins one, you know, I don't see it down I guess in a wins did not do Morbius. See that's cowardly. Come on. You gotta get that is cowardly I would love to make that that would be funny as fuck. You'd be like You could do all the memes too But whatever anyway the when you're about film celebration You're familiar because of course Chris is with almost every aspect of film creation There's got to be things in madam web. You notice that you can say, you know what they did that pretty well They did this pretty well. They did this they did this you could actually Was crazy check out like quotes from the producers even or the Director or the writers you could see what they said about what they did with the moon Oh, you know, if you're struggling to fill up the runtime, you can do what Chris typically does Which is just name the writers and directors for no particular reason at all Yeah Did he not with this one at least in the place he usually does right cuz right at the beginning usually says this film was written by Directed by remember at the beginning Right But if he did he could which doesn't go ahead. Yeah No, no, no go for it. I was gonna say which doesn't rule put the idea in someone's head of why aren't you naming the people that were responsible for this Well, stay their names Who is responsible for madam web who could know it's not like it's in the film at the end of the film It doesn't say who is responsible for what given tasks No, it's a mystery. It's a lucid group justice Yeah, after a good start in the film. I'm going to tell you that this is not a movie review of madam web I am not about dashing filmmakers artists What are you? So this is where I feel like a lot of people are not even listening to not only his video, but that the clip Lauren provided on Twitter He just he was pretty he's either a very bad speaker or he just said something that's pretty blatant I will not review the film because I am not into bashing filmmakers or creatives That's just bashing it. That's just get with more words You're just saying if I what if I did a review it would be full of all the terrible negative things that I would say It's on top of that It's the implication that movie criticism as a practice in general is film bashing Exactly review equals bashing which is interesting because if I was to rewrite his script for him knowing what I know about him I would have said what you should say is I know a lot of you might have expected some kind of Hilariousity review, but as you know For several years I've retired those and I'm more about trying to find the films in the world that sort of inspire and that Madam web didn't inspire me in any particular way. So instead of talking about the film I wanted to talk about something that's happening in like the industry. That's what you could have said But no you said I'm not gonna review it because I don't want to bash it and I think you saying Yeah, what I what I think you saying without saying it is I'm better than you Better than you No, I'm serious What you know the lesser people would want to do yes Edenists Yeah, he's he's being in my opinion kind of an elitist prick, but like also Like it's it stirred a whole and Mauler I think I sent you a link to a story which I thought was awful about can movie critics be filmmakers Right, a lot of critics who are filmmakers I'm one of them John Campia made a movie about a documentary about movie trailers The you know stuckman's made a movie. I think there's clips in one of the videos. I sent you like I'm better than you I'm better than you because I'm not gonna do this also. I might end up working for a studio So I don't want to say these things which is sort of I don't know I think he's making his his intentions pretty pretty plain It makes me feel like he's yeah, it's just I I'm good And I'm better than you in a way that we would consider I've matured. I've grown Like I'm gonna temper my opinions and decide what I am and I'm not going to cover Because of my aspirations and who might be upset by that in terms of who I want to work for Which is like we all know it like that's what what the game is He's It's like no, it's not I'm it's not the it's not the kind of person I want to be and it's like no It's just you don't want to step on the wrong, you know, if you don't want to step on anybody's toes basically Yeah, the wizard visited him and told them well no one in if you made a video on madam web giving your honest opinions It will not affect any career aspirations that you have and if he knew that and believed it then He might do it. It might just be about the reason we wouldn't there is because it's got to keep it consistent, right? I probably yeah, that's probably the only reason why not So yeah, that is the assumed motivation for many people and by the way before anyone assumes like oh You're just taking the worst route ever This is the overwhelming majority of the opinion from his audience is that he's trying to be careful so he can ingratiate himself into the industry of film Related mainly to Hollywood and and that in a sense. He's he's failed because it's pretty obvious he thinks the film sucks Yeah, yeah Well, if I if I'm watching a film reviewer and it becomes clear that they are tempering their opinions and being selective with what they cover because of that I'm like oh you're already like you've Like like you're a trader, but you're not even getting it getting anything from it yet, you know You're preemptively betraying us I guess I just find it funny that you get the cred for being hyper positive when you've made it very apparent that you think the film sucks By saying I like why watch madam web, but I'm not gonna cover it Celebrate exactly because I'm about film celebration. What do you think you've said? But just because you haven't said the word madam web bad It doesn't register that what's being said is madam web bad, which is exactly what's been said. Yeah, absolutely Phrased it. Well, he's kissing the ring for an in and that's kind of yeah It's basically he's already sort of surrendered himself to something before he's even getting Not not even before a guarantee before anything, right? He's just like hoping if I act like this then, you know, then they'll love me up there When they just it's not I mean, I saw his Melanie movie. It sucked. So I Don't know There's also the angle that if say for example, there's an act a behavior that everyone here is doing that I refuse to do And I say I don't do it because I know better. Anyway moving on like, excuse me Hang on. What do you mean? Like that makes us all feel a little a little uncomfortable. It's like, oh, don't worry You wouldn't know you wouldn't know like I didn't say the negative words I only implied the negative words and this is a very common theme is the nobody's detecting His negativity because he's couched it in positivity Right the and what's what's he in fear of Mahler? I mean like even the the stars of this film knew it was a piece of shit Yeah, like the some of them might actually come out publicly stayed it very soon Dakota Johnson's hasn't even seen it probably won't probably won't So if you're afraid to like criticize something that's universally low than mocked Yeah, they're not gonna respect you in the industry. Anyway, there's so many films like that There's so many films that we we know at the time They're bad that like years later whatever some of the actors are like God that was a piece of shit wasn't it? Like yeah Once they know that he's willing to say these things openly and publicly and then couple that with the You know the reviews that he's done in his in his past on YouTube and it's like oh, yeah We can't I don't know if we can trust this guy to keep his opinions to Even if he's saying it out loud the thing we're all thinking he's saying it out loud And who knows when he'll open his mouth again And that's thing I feel like he'd be a much more well-rounded and easy to interpret as honest and full of integrity Person if you just said whoof man web That is a you could even do this in a nice way like the his fucking patented I'm totally not shitting on this thing way of like yeah Man web has some severe issues with pacing with performances being very much Inconsistent, you know, that's the nice way of saying the acting was bad What's what's a nice way of saying the story made no sense. It's like the story was difficult to follow Or he could just do the compliment sandwich start with a praise Then just shit on the film and then start and then end with a little and you don't know be like you don't even need Praise the felt you could be like Dakota Johnson is a very experienced actress I've seen her in and then names a whole fucking IMDb list and then it's like she's she's fantastic and I feel like in this film You know a lot of a lot of what she's capable of wasn't quite captured, you know Wasn't clear or we had competing Creative Obviously in this world's case was like oh it didn't look very good Did you get like you had had he said that? Instead of I can't say anything about this film Like damn Well part of his problem is that he keep again He has to signal to everybody that he is doing the noble thing of not shitting on anything Well, he could just like he could just not say it and then just do this and not talk about madam web Or not talk about whatever films he's watched that he thinks are bad He could just like not do it and not tell you just talk about studio interference You could just go right into that you don't even need to be specific about a movie. Yeah, or this one Well, so this was bait to Which like being like mad Madam web here we go and then the beginning. It's like I'm not gonna talk about that Well, it's not bait then because he put right at the beginning that it's not what he kind of signaled It was gonna be well when you put What was this video originally called like we need to talk or something about Yeah, and then madam web is in the thumbnail or is it I can't remember Yeah, it is. It's like that he knows what he's doing Yeah, it's she's got the fucking beam of her just staring blankly And then him like doing a thing, you know, it's like, oh, you're gonna give us the nuanced perspective on madam web There's another thing I've seen a lot of people say it's like, oh, we can't handle one video That's not negative about madam web. It's like this is negative about madam web. What do you mean? Yes, it's a negative video about Adam web. We're 34 seconds in and already he's made that abundantly clear Seems of what he really wants to do is acknowledge that it's bad but then lay all the blame on other people because It's it's almost like it's a weird sort of self-interest where it's like I don't want people to make fun of my movies because movies are so hard to make So like I need to create this culture where we assume if a movie is bad that it was the studio's fault That's not gonna apply to his film right because it was Kickstarter. No, yeah Yeah, so you had a hell of a lot more control than most people do a lot of higher studio levels sort of filming But then of course you have the angle of Why can't you handle why can't all of them handle being made fun of why? It's just like it's seen as like some horrible thing and it's like, I don't know why can't you just do this funny Like yeah, not the best industry to get into if you're thin-skinned just so I mean no public I mean not even as being a youtuber Yeah, no, yeah I was saying in the beginning is the YouTube you like if is it if there was a Things to be prepared for going in it's like be prepared to be fucking slaughtered semi-regularly for your character Don't be surprised when someone says you're the worst human being on the planet because you said a Star Wars movie was bad Really? Yeah Hard it is to make a movie. I do not know how hard it is to make a movie under the studio system I was able to make an indie film without a giant corporation breathing down my neck Which is true and even that sucked so We haven't seen it We can blame We could blame Kickstarter interference on that one Interference This is kind of the nature of like I don't I don't really get the angle because it's like Chris Do you think you're gonna work for Sony ever? No because of this video. Do you think that's I don't be like? Well, yeah, I don't want to work for Sony. It's like, okay Well, yeah, you know, that's like a bridge that's incinerated at this point I mean, I don't know. Does he think you just you just get to pick who your producers are Like how to what do you mean? And also, isn't this the when he said he can't imagine what it's like to do that You know inside of the studio system But isn't that what he's wanting to do I'm sure he wants that yeah Eventually so that that'll be a I guess because he almost implies there That's a bridge to be crossed when you come to it But the because he can't know the pressures of it He would never want to bash someone underneath something like that in the same vein that someone makes you a shitty house But then you find out they didn't have any limbs. You're like, oh wow, that's that's horrible Equivalent being that they didn't get any choices under the studio. They were part of so how can you truly make fun of them? But we'll get to those arguments Yeah, the the studio system that made madam web terrible, which is what he's saying without saying it is part of the system that I'm trying to get into Yeah, I mean somewhat Strange like I don't really see what the goal is, you know, like I'm not gonna bash filmmakers But I'm gonna bash the people who are responsible for financing the films I hope they finance my Also still people saying wrong thumbnail, it's the right one. Nothing I can do Go it's the YouTube fuck with me. I can't do anything You just get to look at cranberry juice madam web for a little bit longer and enjoy that yeah You two have been acting funny last couple of days. So enjoy its sugary tart perfection. Yes, it still works kind of I'm not calling madam web tart perfection just to be clear. That's not the way even though you should Yes, it's not the privilege that sj Clarkson had when she directed madam web Did you catch that um, he says he has no idea what she would have gone through But then he does say definitively. She did not have the experience of like having full control like I did Well, it's it's really that's interesting me that she didn't say anything about Working on the film anything about her experience working on the film or the decisions that she made while making it If you're gonna do a video like this We are opening up insight and discussion with your knowledge of the film industry However limited or expanded it is then maybe it's worthwhile just looking into what she said Maybe mm-hmm. Give it a little shot. Give it a look. Maybe you should also acknowledge that she's an executive producer on the film What oh And a co-screenwriter not even be an executive producer gets you anything these days. Oh my goodness Well, no not being interfere with herself not signing the contract and agreeing to be a part of this for money Gives you any kind of responsibility now as well as seems that we were all just ignoring that like that That feels weird like you sign on you put your name to the paper into the credits But that doesn't mean that you should have any responsibility as to the quality of it It's like I feel like already that's kind of the point of the contract, isn't it you are selling your talent And if you're like, yeah, but what if they don't use it? It's like, okay, but you're still a part of the project at that point and you still got paid for it And I'm sure if the phone were great and you would be claiming it's your talent that helped create it You know, it's just it's just interesting how that works Getting down my neck, which is not the privilege You don't have a Clarkson had when she directed like he has no idea if they breathed out a neck Or if they were like, you know how to make movies, right Clarkson. Yeah, go ahead. You do you do you? He has no idea. He even said he has no idea. It's gonna be the movie I wanted to make it happens all the time all the time all the time people make the movies They want to make and they're just terrible. That's the funny time I think where if there was a studio filled with suits and none of them came to set throughout the whole thing They just trusted the director and then at the end everyone's like wow the studio ruined it the students like what the fuck We know what's happened with games. I guess it's funny because wasn't what they said with the marbles was that there wasn't enough oversight on that film? Yeah That is really funny And that was the issue with Bioware and Anthem is they just shut up. Yeah It's been all of these years and millions of dollars. What the fuck is this? What have you been doing this whole time? That's like J.J. when they gave him all that money. They're like, what have you made? It's like nothing yet I Love how backhanded of a comment it is like this movie's so bad. I'm just going to assume that you had no say in it Executive producer You're so fucking right if she was here with him in this like call or whatever And he's like man that movie had none of your your input, huh? She's like what the yes Producer you fuck my name is on the credits and everything well That's the thing it's gonna come up later If she just asked, oh, so you've seen my work Yeah In film and TV and she's like which episodes Come on leave me alone. How'd you get in here? How'd you get in my house? And then you just start hearing typing. It's like, what are you doing? This is my bread room. How did you get in here? Hell yeah Madam web under Sony which I can only imagine was monumentally difficult. This is what she said. It was great Well, yeah, you have no idea and you know in the in the lack of information You could say I don't know and you can actually act like you mean that you know Imagine she said something like we set out to make a great film and the They feel that they their voices were heard sort of thing like imagine something like that Wow, that'd be weird It would be weird and you know, it was the kind of thing that makes you think like oh shit Maybe films can just be bad because of the people making them up very good I mean if we are going to accept the idea that not everyone can be a good filmmaker and making films is difficult It only logically follows that a lot of films are gonna be bad. What if that discourages them from continuing ranks? Well, you know, maybe some people should maybe some people should be discouraged from certain behavior Wow, look at Fletcher here. Maybe maybe maybe maybe I'm not committing to anything What what it was it was it was that it was that It was a conversation about like, you know, whether or not Fletcher's methods like that They would discourage somebody and he said, you know, someone like Charlie Parker would never be discouraged That was his logic is that the person who would become the greatest of the great could never be discouraged from doing yeah That's what I meant, which obviously there's plenty to talk about there But it's just an interesting line and makes you think Not gonna be a video about Such a great film. Oh, it's one of my favorite films Good boy, it's really difficult. This is not gonna be a video about madam web and telling you whether or not You should see madam web. There are plenty of people on this platform You just said you can't even bring yourself to review it. Why would you have recommended it like? Well, you're not wrong about that Form as well as a website dedicated to aggregating reviews and giving it a number That's gonna inform you of that and you can choose to listen to Chris when you Thank you for explaining To us Chris He would tell you his channel is all about trying to highlight and recommend films when you say you're not gonna do that for madam Web because people can decide from all the other stuff that's out there is like you mean you're not recommending it That's just a no Chris and because you don't think it's good. That's why Absolutely nuts that like he can try and convince you even for a second that he's like, hey, maybe I recommend it Maybe I don't but I can't review this because it's just that bad But if I recommend it the funny thing is I had like a partial recommendation on the idea of just Don't don't pay for it but have fun with it. But even then that's not really a recommendation You know, it's kind of I don't think I don't think SJ Clarkson would appreciate me saying it's funny Those voices if you want the information is out there Chris Stockman is a He is a tomato tomato meter approved critic on rotten tomatoes I do remember I think he even made a video or at least it was a part of one of his videos Is a saying he was ecstatic the day that he got approved for rotten tomatoes He sort of his major affirmation that he was a critic There was that and then there was like getting to go to the critics was it the critics choice awards like he got to Go to that as well Yeah, Chris gets to go to that too you're in good company with the movie Bob What I am compelled to make a video about is something that I heard pretty much every writer some directors and most actors Bashing last year and that is movie studios. But before we go any further. Oh Oh No Now chat you've heard us make fun of better help several times I've decided in the edit for this to put in context so that you can see You may be aware of the context from what is it like a fucking decade ago now the controversy the better help got into It was I feel like it was one of those early early controversies regarding I mean, I've been that sponsorships. Oh, well my my timeline my head's all fucked up. I'm like that. It feels like it was a guy Yeah, eight years ago. I think in any case a while ago that controversy alone means that the company itself has been built on Lies before if they've corrected them fine, but it's still something I'd be like. Yeah, I'm not supporting you as in I'm not taking sponsorships from you He has and you be like, okay, maybe the company is pure and clean But I was I was streaming a I think it was funny if it was Suicide Squad or something like that might have been Arkham game And someone in the discord had linked a controversy that got into just a year ago And I decided fuck it instead of having the ad play we'll play that over it instead We got a little robot to help us to read out what it give you guys context of what better help got up to about a Year ago the right doing a special Thank you to the sponsor for this video better help the past few years have been so life-changing for me becoming a Better help shared customer data while promising it was private Online counseling company better help has agreed to pay $7.8 million to settle charges from the Federal Trade Commission that it improperly shared customers sensitive data with companies like Facebook and Snapchat even after promising to keep it private the proposed order announced by the FTC on Thursday would ban the same behavior in the future and require better help to make some changes to how it handles Customer data according to the regulator the sign-up process for the company's service Promised consumers that it would not use or disclose their personal health data except for limited purposes However, the FTC alleges that the company instead used and revealed consumers email addresses IP addresses and health Questionnaire information to Facebook snapchat And Pinterest for advertising purposes the FTC also says that the company gave customer service agents false Scripts to try and reassure users that it wasn't sharing personally Identifiable or personal health information after a February 2nd 0 to 0 report from the robot red Second 0 to 0 report Wait the robot voice have more personality than Chris It's true. Yeah. Thank God. Thank God. We have something less monotonous, right? I was thinking you you log into better help thinking that you're gonna get a therapist Instead, you don't even know you're getting stuck. I mean, it's so There are so many sponsorships you can take don't take better help find someone else you can just Google you can just Google them It'd be a better help review very short Wikipedia article Like the the briefly discussing this Topic you could read it in like 10 minutes and then decide I guess whether or not you want to I don't know man Minutes wait wait 20 10 minutes. That's like two and a half Hill House reviews The rags, that's like a TV that's effective and efficient. Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's good. I love him because he's so concise This is bad by the way Yeah, they emailed me to they're like hey you want to sponsor Well, yeah, cuz that's how they fucking increase their user base. They use the credibility of creators That's how it works and I want to move past controversy like this like oh, we did a little data sharing. That's all Yeah, no, just you know, we kind of lied to people and sold their data to people kind of told our Representatives to tell people that was not the case. Yeah, just a little bit of that We told Facebook about your relationship with your dad Sorry The commission's complaints misleading customers by putting HIPAA seal on its website despite the fact that no government agency or other third-party reviewed better help S Information practices for compliance with HIPAA let alone determined that the practices met the requirements of HIPAA That's a hell that's really fucking bad HIPAA that is the HIPAA all right. Yeah, it enforces federal civil rights laws I protect the rights of individuals and entities from unlawful discrimination on the basis according to this they put Yeah, only only the government's allowed to do that guys. Okay, it's not a little seal on their website Even though they had not met the requirements or determined that they meet the practices like she's that's pretty fucked up That's pretty bold. I would say that is bold. That's like wearing it. That's like that's like impersonating a police officer Betrayed consumers most personal health information for profit said Samuel Levine FTC Bureau of Consumer Protection Director according to the agency's press release the commission says that used consumers email addresses And the fact that they had previously been in therapy to instruct Facebook to identify similar consumers and target them with Advertisement helping it bring in tens of thousands of new paying users and millions of dollars in revenue So do if anyone's unclear the they would gather data send it to Facebook and using that we can then figure out from other profiles Who's best to target ads that to get them to sign up to better help? What was it the seven point eight million dollars? Yeah, so for the record the FTC Investigate them for this and they said okay fine. Here's eight million leave us alone Wow, we totally won't we totally won't do it again. Yeah Trust me, bro FTC's order ends up going through the seven point eight million dollars would go to customers who signed up for the service between August 1st 2017 and December 31st 2020 clicking on that link helps support this channel, but it also gives you 10% off your Hiving there that is good at it. It's just it's just a bit awkward in it And I I don't know just get audible audible.com. They're good. What about man scape? For man scaped man scape. I got a man. It's met a PC that thing works fucking good above and below I'll fucking guarantee you look It's just even at the best of times just doing like broad blanket Recommendations for a mental health service even in the best of times seems like oh Careful, I feel like I'm not personally qualified to recommend therapists to people I just I don't know if there's just something about it. We're just like, oh, all right. Come on like careful now It seems like youtubers just pick it up so they can look more empathetic Yes, yeah for them to I Think it's just a lot of people Especially I mean Chris should know better because he's been in the game a long time But if you're not he was around when they had the first he was around with the original one Yeah, you're right, but a lot of the times these companies Rage shadow legends and all that other shit. They say hey for like 30 seconds of effort We will give you this yeah this amount of money and If you have no scruples or is it scruples or scruples or scruples scruples if you have no scruples Then like yeah 30 seconds for like hundreds and hundreds or thousands of dollars I mean I would be a fool to say no to that. It's such easy money All it cost is my reputation. I don't even have to care And imagine ever saying hey sign up for therapy. It's a great way to support my channel That's um, but I but I need therapy as I watch chris duckman Maybe it's a little unbrand friend me and there's the meme too of like I actually use this one and it's good Why do you say it like that? I needed help because I'm a father and a filmmaker and I've had therapy on there. That's real good. I recommend it It's just like oh You tell by my sad eyes that I am through therapy. I really love fatherhood. Yeah, great Put the therapist and see if it helps you once again that link is betterhelp.com slash chris duckman Thank you so much to better help for sponsoring this video Yeah, lull. I hope you don't commit suicide because better help gave you a bad therapist lull. Anyway, madame webb, which we're not talking about Yes, back to adult talking about The case of madame webb this movie was put out by sony in association with marvel Probably not to the level of association that tom holland's three spider-man movies were what gave that away Why did why did he say three spider-man at the same time? It showed the three random lady chicks that were their own He's just put on the trailer. Okay. Oh By that christ. Oh my god. It was shallerman. He shall return We get spider-man outfit and bolted. Oh god. Yeah We will be gaining someone else very soon in any moment from now. It'll be very exciting This video is inspired by essentially every live action Film that sony has had some involvement in since spider-man three and the spider-man verse that being spider-man three The amazing spider-man one and two Venom sorry. Can I what what do you just say like the he's talking? He's saying that this is inspired by all of those movies. This videos are inspired by all in the spider-verse But why didn't he start with spider-man one and two and he also he said spider-man verse which feels You know, I mean spider-man first Well It's worth adding as well. Columbia pictures are like primarily responsible for the mcu spider-man films It's like a joint production, but they pay most of the bills and they make most of the money So like, you know what? I mean, it's it's like it has to count as part of that package as well. It's different sure But they are primarily responsible for those films also, um, he's good I was just gonna say he's tailoring it for his argument, right? He's only picking the bad ones because if he includes the good movies that sony has made in that time period Then that kind of well, are we meant to assume that there was just no studio interference Yeah, yeah, yeah the other movies in it. I was about to say you're almost there It's gonna be that um spider-man one and two are so good That we know the studio didn't ruin those But all the other ones being spider-man three amazing spider-man one amazing spider-man two And I guess madame web uh and morbious and probably craven. They're so terrible Why do they ruin this well, but isn't that funny again though? Like What a two would ruin it by the studio the others though by the way, I'm not bashing films No, no, yeah, yeah No Pioneers Three and the spider-man verse that being spider-man three the amazing spider-man one and two Venom venom let me sorry just describing that collection of films as the spider-bad versus funny to me It's like what a strange Movies, yeah, it is and it's not correct. No, I guess they're spider-related Yeah, I mean the related movie wise but not within the universe at all Yeah, and then you can't you can't select them and not and keep out spider-man one and two Like I'll include three because I didn't like it as much as wanted to so it must have been the studio Do you think because I because we you've paused here in the middle. Is he going to say the uh the uh spider-verse films Oh, he's gonna he's gonna mention them. Oh, but okay. Yeah, let us welcome the critical drinker Hello I think I'm mentally and physically prepared to get stuck my eyes this year. Yeah You're never mentally and physically prepared to get stuck my eyes All you've really missed is him saying I will not bash madam web because it's too awful to do that too Um, uh, okay We're at that point all right and better help promotion, which we don't need to go over that again But uh, yeah, there's a watch together therapy after saying madam web. Yeah, I've got it. Yeah So I think I'm at the same point is you guys 412. That's the one We're getting stuck into his opinion on the spider-man versus he described it stuck stuck in to his opinion In the spider-man verse that being spider-man three the amazing spider-man one and two Venom venom let there be carnage if someone selected all those movies and said, what would you group them as? And if someone said bad movies, I'd be like, yeah, I guess you say that and someone else said the spider-man face You know when he when he said when he began with that, I just thought he's gonna list every single movie, isn't he? Yes, yes. Yep. He did. He's bashing the ball. Stop him Morbius and madam web since it got pushed see the what was morbius like Well, it's in yeah, technically it's in the there's even spider-man references in movies But uh the way that he said that though and madame web is this like yeah, we we have to be We have to wonder whether or not you'd recommend madame web, huh? Oh, so he is not saying the spider-verse movies. Okay Well, it's just funny because they are again, they're sony films They're like the awkward ones that make it really difficult for people to just say that they all suck and that they That Sony should sell the rights back, which they're never gonna do. Why would they do that? But Well, so is he clear he's he's created a category that doesn't exist in order to make his point pretty much Yeah, because the actual category is all of them or you split them up into their respective series Yeah, or you go by director you go by like current like whoever produced it individually That you could go by company, but I get like again, it doesn't fit the point He's making like there's nothing he can do to fit the point he's making And for the record, disney marvel hates all these movies, but there's nothing they can do about it, right? So they they I guess Because sony owns the right the rights outright And they and disney marvel needs sony more than sony needs them right now They need spider-man so they just have to put up with this shit, but They freaking hate it problem is they must so regret that 1980s deal that they made Absolutely The only problem is now disney marvel doesn't have a leg to stand on because the lines have blurred between disney marvel and sony Marvel movies at least sony marvel movies are funny right, uh But yeah, there's no difference between the marvels and madame webb with quality none at all Oh, yeah, I mean madame webb like brought joy to my face. I laughed out loud The marvels was just like god let it be done. Yeah, but they're both written with about as much care It didn't give me an erection. Yeah They're both terrible like the idea that madame webb is distinctly worse than all of these other superhero films that are coming out No, it's just that sony marvel movies actually get rated accurately But marvel marvel marvel slap passes by Strikes last year none of us got to see what sony did with craven the hunter But we will this year so I can't can you see how he kind of wants to include it Because he just he knows as well as we do craven's probably gonna be terrible. Unfortunately That's just kind of what the winds are saying Not what the director does with it. I don't know who's directing craven, but so say again Really comment on whether or not sony treated that property with respect And of course, I know that when he says treated that property with respect Is he talking about the source materials? He's talking about the process of making a film I was about to say that's a that seems like a strange thing for him to say because like Oh, now we care about respecting source material or the characters. Is that been a thing that he actually Ever has given a shit about ever heard him talk about that outside of I think dragon ball z like the the the What's that film called? I've never seen it, but it's like known as one of the worst films of all time Evolution dragon ball evolution. Yeah And so I think he cared about the the source there But like I just I've never known him to say like whether or not these films are good based on his familiarity with The source material, but it sounded like that's what he was saying So I can't really comment on whether or not sony treated that property with so he's got a spider-man shirt on But he can't comment that it's disrespecting craven by not having fucking spider-man in the movie I genuinely don't believe that's what he's referring to He can't pass judgment on the film before he's even seen it so yeah, of course It's a pretty obvious point from chris. It's okay. Yes. He's very obvious Of course, I know Madam web is a film directed by a director named sj. Clarkson who was also an executive producer. That's that's his fucking reviews Yeah, but we get way more. We get spider-man. Look at him go that toby maguire spider-man films don't necessarily Relate to the sony spider-man universe that they're trying to set up right now nor do andrew garfield's movies But neither does spider-man 3 but you mentioned that one It's true, but this is not about that. Also, what is also that's distinctly worst footage. Yeah, would you get this? That looks like the color the color grading that is not the color grading that is something is wrong. By the way By the way, self-proclaimed film maker I'm surprised. I don't see the word slot lights done Hey, some of us blur those out. Okay, rex. Hey, hey, nothing against i'm just saying I'm just saying You gotta take what you can get that's right Uh, so is he tell away is he telling did I just maybe I misunderstood this is he telling us something else? This video is not about So what I think is happening here is he wants to talk about how the studio has ruined many films in the spider-man universe Obviously didn't ruin one and two because everyone says one and two are really good It ruined three. It ruined amazing spider-man one and two it ruined morbius. It ruined Then i'm wanting to some people like the tazen movies You know, have we gotten I obviously i'm coming into this a bit late Have you guys already discussed the sort of faulty premise at work here that like Anytime something bad happens or any time a movie turns out to be garbage It's clearly because the studio had to meddle in it and not because like the filmmakers are just bad It definitely has that flavor sort of coming the video. That's gonna be the consistent theme Yeah, yeah, I wasn't sure if you'd discussed that yet or if you're gonna wait until he gets further into his video Or what we've we've sort of I think we've mentioned it But yeah, we'll we're tackling as he goes relate to the sony Yeah, like because when he watches the spider-verse movies does he say, you know, and maybe he did I don't know because I don't fucking watch chris ducklin But would he say, you know, sony animation studios or whatever they really knocked it out of the park with this movie Well, he would have to because they're the production company. He does he does mention I don't have to so yeah Any spider-man universe that they're well because yeah, and by the way, this is not criticism He is trying to create a narrative and it's like, okay So that's fine. Does the does the information match the narrative and I think already it's falling apart Uh, I mean the information doesn't much match the narrative in that you really can't talk about the rainy spider-man films As being part of this like Brought a plan of cinematic universes because they predate that we're talking about films that came out 20 years ago They just don't fit into the equation There's different conversations to be had about those films obviously, you know venom spider-man 3 That's like the main well That's what he meant though was just spider related films from sony that Connected to this ip broadly, but our different continuities though technically they're not now because the mc fucking dragged them all together but I was just gonna say that like His point of view is talking about the studio's ruining stuff But he's you know, he just has to conveniently leave out examples that would Obviously ruin the narrative is what I don't want to get in there. They're trying to set up right and besides none of us I don't think he'll agree that it's entirely sony's fault the morbius venom venom 2 Uh madame web Spider-man 3 amazing spider-man major spider-man 2 all of them varying degrees of quality that it's all the studio's fault It's like no It doesn't follow. It just doesn't make any sense like okay So sony said you got to have venom did they tell him to do the dance scene? Was that Like sony telling me how to do that was his idea I've seen it discussed more on on twitter where you basically said His narrative seems to be like if a movie turns out well, then the the filmmakers are fantastic And if it turns out bad, then it's the studio's fault and so there's this like Defaulting a blame where like the the creatives can't do anything wrong essentially which is just such a faulty premise to go on There's plenty of creatives out there who've not who've not had any studio interference who turned out absolute garbage movies I mean like look at taika whitey with love and thunder He had very little studio oversight on that one exactly and he got to do Anything he wanted and indulges every whim and look at the movie. We got what the studios are at fault for not, you know Stopping him. Yeah, so it's really it still is there You know, I could I could even I would even posit the idea that sometimes studio interference might actually be to the benefit of a film Or at least like salvage a film like gosh Frank was fan port stick that that man was an absolute disaster with that movie and clearly was Completely out of his depth and so the studio stepped in Like sometimes it has to be done like not every creative is up to the task that's been handed to them It's generally something that people don't like to talk about it's like a narrative That's too awkward even though we know it's theoretically possible and it must have happened. We just don't have many concrete examples Yeah, I'm certainly not sitting here defending like studio executives and saying yes They clearly have loads of great ideas on improving movies because most of the time they don't I just don't think it's an absolute thing where you can just say Yeah, any studio interference must be bad and creatives Like are always good at what they do and if you just leave them alone They'll turn out pure gold every time Shadas pointed out an example that is pretty recent one woman 1994. That was uh, that was massive creative freedom Yes Yes Bob biker himself said Nainia Dacosta didn't have enough supervision. She had total creative freedom over the marvels Even though she left didn't Zack Snyder have a lot of creative freedom when he did army of the dead Rebel Oh Dear and I think someone else mentioned Ghostbusters 2016. Yes, true. That was a different regime But yes, that's sony and there was total Well, yeah, it's uh, can I always forget her name? What's her name was the ceo tom rothman is the ceo now Uh, the woman is all across cow. Was it? Yeah? I mean pass go. Yeah Uh, and yeah, I was gonna say that the way I think they were trying to count for that If they were posited that point of view is that the films would become worse had the studios have been involved anyway All that they they were involved in such a way that maybe it's lies or maybe that the creatives were under a lot of pressure You know, like there's just going to be like trying to find excuses because we really shouldn't critical of the directors and writers that's that's mean and It's like it's like principally we shouldn't but I would rather than drag us to like I'd love a lot to like to say about that, but I guess we should wait until well. Yeah, we're gonna get that I was He's gonna stir the pot just a little bit and mention the star wars prequels Creative freedom Just saying right there with the rags When you have uh someone everyone says like this is a very common narrative that george was too free And it's like oh, yeah, but he would have had other creatives pulling him back and it's like what if some of those creatives were producers What if That's why they were in the room Why is it impossible for mr. Producer man to just walk in and be like No, no, I'm jar jar. No no Someone should have someone who was right It should have said I will literally rip this check in half if that orange monstrosity takes another step I Would probably even go as far as saying that it's a necessary part of making a good movie That the push and pull between like the money concerns and the artistic concerns is a necessary component for making a good movie Thank you. It's certainly gonna be necessary for it to keep an industry afloat in any sort of way that we have well, did you hear the Sorry, did you hear the bad news about joker too? Wait, what's the budget's the the budget's 200 million dollars Oh, no, how do you get 200 million dollar movie? Like I assume there's not going to be a huge amount of Violins aren't that pricey. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I don't know Oh, that's a bad sign. Yeah, that's a really bad sign. Yeah. Yeah What was the the original was like well safe of a hundred fifty million fifty million Yeah, it's just 50. Oh, Jesus. Just 50. You see they've conditioned us to be saying just I know Yeah With a lean crew and stuff imagine what you could make with 50 million dollars cries in godzilla Toby maguire's spider-man films don't necessarily Relate to the sony spider-man universe that they're trying to set up right now. They don't even the footage Thank you for that chris. Well, thanks chris This is what I mean this information is like you wouldn't say this information is old this information's Not information No, he makes videos like the first person watching this is completely new to the world, you know, it's like It's like an ostrich, you know, they they have the the Cinemas are large buildings where people 20 seconds Exactly watch a film A hospital. What is it a building full of patience, but that's not important right now movie reviewers Developers cool toolkit. What was it movie reviewers to toolkit is what this would be? Oh, yeah Yeah, your garfields movies, but this is not about that This is about how sony treats their characters and their properties and more importantly how they treat their filmmakers And what exactly is going on because I have so many questions When you look at the films I mentioned that sony has made There's of course division from people about whether or not I find this example interesting because a guy who directed venom Decided, you know, I'm gonna work with sony again for uncharted So I guess he felt that he wanted he was fine enough with the way that it worked to make another movie with them So I guess that doesn't matter though Well, what are his comments about the production of venom? I wonder Is that a sony film as well because that's a guy who did it I can't remember but like, yeah And has he said anything about his experience making these films and whether he got to make any choices at all With some what's really interesting is someone in chat is asking Why is chris's head so square and thought and I thought that they meant chris gore Because he has a funko pop head and I was like, oh no, this is a this is a very deep piece of commentary He goes, oh my goodness chris both chris's All right for good and some people like more than others There's plenty of people who like the first venom movie But I think there are more people who are a little disappointed by it and especially they'll let me oh my god He versed in chrisism. Yeah Do you how they're not even disappointed but they might be Falling apart because he's like I'm including venom even though plenty of people liked it so You know, he already knows like this is awkward But anyway, it's a sequel but plenty of people enjoy spider-man 3 well enough I'm one of them There's a lot of things in spider-man 3 that I have fun with although it's clearly not as good as one or two And there are people who enjoy the amazing Inferior of the three it's worse than it's predecessors chris you're about celebrating film Drag the mood of the room down chris jesus christ we're trying to have trying to have a good time here One and two quite a bit, but I think that if you were to look at a consensus The consensus is that the live action Sony based spider-man live action you have to make that caveat because it means that you can ignore the other Sony people like the category is getting more and more hilarious the more he adds like reality to it It's very obvious that this this this this this this this this this is the problem of the sony films that had a six day opening weekend I suppose Something that is a little bit more complicated because the situation out Can someone are the are the sony spider-man games? Are they the product of a license that they have like that they have with marvel? Or does that have anything to do with them and the film stuff that they've got? Like that they can make those games Does anybody know because I don't actually don't know but if you were to throw that into the equation the You know people really liked spider-man PS4 people don't feel quite the same we're about to do one But like that's part of the is that part of the equation as well because that's sony it is sony Sure, it's you know playstation, but it's still sony And also now he's appealing to this this consensus that's out there He is breaking off any responsibility that might go to him chris duckman speaker of the words and on to Well, this is what the consensus is. I don't have to approve of it or anything I'm just saying I'm just I'm just the messenger telling you what the consensus would say about these movies I make no claims is that one could I'm not not saying you should do this like this is a lot of effort One could google the names of the people and the films and then look at articles where they've talked about making the films And then see which ones talk about how You know, they had a vision and it was destroyed or that they had a vision and it was realized That could be something you could do that might help you find out which ones the studio is kind of messed with or didn't Instead of what he is obviously admitted to doing which is I have 10 films Seven of them are seen as bad three of them are seen as good seven of them have been messed with the studio Yeah, it's like how did you how did you do that? What how did you know that what what the hell And then people about the animated ones. He's like, wait, I'm talking about live action. Okay I don't know. Well, maybe he's got some killer evidence that he's going to present to us Yeah, looking forward to our killer. It's like aggregate reviews scores high charts bullet points That's part of what that's what being stuck when eyes does all about, you know, I want to see his conspiracy board I wouldn't be numberized Is that the live action? Sony based spider-man universe movies Have not exactly all been home runs. I haven't mentioned the what a fucking What a statement That is I thought I was a harsh reviewer, but this guy's fucking like Suck the mostly bad movies. No, they haven't all necessarily been home Celebration Oh, yes The elephant in the room, which is what about the spider-verse movies? Well, yeah, just afraid we just don't say what if I was to tell you I'm going to be criticizing these seven films I'll have a bet he's listed and I say they're not exactly home runs like Do you think they're bad? They're like your triples. They're really really good. Is that what you mean? Yeah The euphemism I hear him use uh quite a bit is well, it's not a perfect movie Yeah, it's not a perfect movie. It's like could you name one chris the perfect movie? Oh, he'd say blade runner. Let me say Yeah, after five times I think it was five times and then he I think so or four something like that. He finally he finally was able to take everyone's opinions and You know the thing is I he might be lying and he still doesn't get it or anything. He's just finally said, you know what? Yeah, yeah, I get it Contrary for all men that he felt the same way. It's like oh dev Really? He can make a good argument that chris duckman is a replicant like in its beta phase trying to figure out, you know get the motions He's a nexus three I'm gonna find him and be like there's a turtle in front of you that's turned on in fact It's baking in the hot sun Chris slowly Like Both of them being terrific the way I view the two spider-verse movies is kind of the same way I view the invisible man and split And get out and other films that Blumhouse has produced Because Blumhouse has produced a lot of other movies as well But those three really do seem like damn where'd those come from? You gotta say I'm flying you're babbling So the other ones so the other ones They you would not say damn where did those come from? It's that thing again. You have there's a certain kind of huge library of films three of them. Wow. They're great the others Well, you know What others Again, it is just an interesting way of squaring it away because now correct me if i'm wrong But avi aured and amy pascal. They're both producers on uh on the spider-verse films, right? Amy pascal when she was taken she used to be ceo of sony Then there's the sony hack but on her way out the door as she's being replaced She put herself in charge of spider-man and her production. Okay, and so she is yeah, so there's that and also I'll be right. Mr. Camilla aren't they producers on On them as well. They were the directors of the first movie. They didn't direct the second one But they're producers, right? Yes, they are How does that get squared away in the world of chris stuckman those fucking producers man not creatives at well I'm uh getting ahead of myself Some studios have really good instincts and they can pick filmmakers and stories across the board That for the most part are gonna be at least decent I look at a studio like a 24 which meaning that there are films that are bad and studios that more consistently choose Worst filmmakers to make bad films and the creators that are at least decent They'll pick. Yeah. What do you mean at least decent? It's like so there are creators who are not decent Yeah Chris is there a way to set to identify a non great a non decent creative it can we do that? It's instincts. We've already covered this You gotta be instinctually we can discover whether or not someone is shit of their job No instincts moving on Oh Also a 24 has quite a few stinkers. Oh, they got some real shit films. Yeah, they do It's like, you know, okay inevitably some of it's going to be shit. It's just last their rest their mo. That's how they do things Yeah, they take more chances. Yeah a 24 Pretty much most of their movies if you see a trailer for an a 24 film You can probably bet that it's not gonna be terrible that is at least I don't know about that. I don't even know There's so many questions to ask him What it definitely like because he went with consensus before but now we're on to like his own sort of rating system And then it's like so How are you determining this and then like trailers? What can you be be more specific? Give me examples. Why are you just saying this so broadly? And it's because he doesn't want to step on any toes Be decent and maybe even really good and I don't feel that way with every single studio It's like a flip of a coin You could get one of their best efforts or you could get another one You say that as though they only apply to studios or producers as opposed to also applying to directors and writers Which to an extent it is you can see Well, I mean you can be like, uh, Christopher Nolan. It's a still is going to be great And then you can watch it And then you can watch opera be like, oh, yeah, you're cool. You know, like it's that's how it works with individual The same guy with very likely hyper creative freedom made for me Ridley Scott, yeah Because I drew it in my head for a second. I was like, yeah that one bad alien film and I was like guys, two Oh Summer child you Oh, hey, we were reminded today of dark fate for some reason and uh, James Cameron wrote the story for that co-wrote the story for What happened to you james, what happened? Why do you want to make avatar films because it's a fetish? It's literally that's it. Oh, yeah, he wanted to see a pregnant woman Scientifically genetically engineered to be sexualized God You don't like boobs who who was like, oh you can't say that It was obviously the studio that made Prometheus, Nathan covenant the way that they are Are you saying avatars a big furry movie? Correct. They're furry adjacent. I mean it's on But it's not Yeah in spirit. Yeah Ridley Scott because napoleon just came out. I mean it seems like he had Whatever the hell he wanted with that film that's the impression I get from that film He treated he treated historians like he treated the producer Goi Didn't didn't when he when he was confronted and told that french people hate the the napoleon movie Didn't he say like french people fucking hate themselves? Why should I care? Fucking Chad Ridley What was the other one though where like, I don't know if he actually shot at the pyramids, but it communicated that he took Egypt Oh, you weren't even there. How do you know what he did? Yeah? You can't criticize him. No, that was the studio that made him do that show. You see Have you ever attacked Egypt before you can't criticize it? Okay I'm pretty sure they were transformers there too. The edit was accurate Oh, did you guys know that um, I forget who was responsible, but you can get a 3d Tour of the inside of the pyramid Using like one of the like someone took a camera on the inside so you can go and check out all the places and stuff For the pyramid from the inside. It's all like a like a virtual tour Can you see like the sort of indents and stuff from the cannonballs in there as well? No, you you just see all the the scrape marks from the haunted mummies and all the skeletons and gray bravers who got No, it was a power station for the transformers, okay They truly were ahead of their time they were And I do think it comes down to the filmmaker They're working with and whether or not they back off and give that filmmaker the freedom they need to tell a cohesive Coherent story You know what his his fundamental problem is he sees all creatives through the lens of how he views himself Yes, I am creative. Yeah, and presumably he views himself in high regard And so he takes his experience of making his own film and assumes that it's always like that Everyone has a great creative vision that they're going to bring to life And it's awesome and the only thing that can ever get in the way is a studio meddling in it That's his fundamental problem. He's very idealist everyone I mean we see how that plays out, you know 8 24 very nice million dollars to aryaster And we got bo's afraid that moves a fucking mess. There's nothing coherent and cohesive about that movie But it was a giant pile of spaghetti on the floor It's a wonderfully naive and and idealistic view of how films get made that The anyone creative is just this beautiful shining light and the studio is like this Yeah, the producers are like this horrible dark cloud that just descends on any Everything one Can we just like you know almost reset a bit with how it's like how does this work? You go well, there's a guy who has a little camera and he's like, whoa, look at me go I can make things that entertain people. There's another guy who's like I kind of like the I like the cut of your jib I've got money. I can get you technology and people And and you can make a movie for me that'll make me money and you money and we'll create something pretty neat How's that and they shake hands? And then the guy starts filming and then the guy with the money says, oh I don't want uh, I don't I don't want dinosaurs in this and then and the guy's like, but I love dinosaurs And it's like, we're gonna have to sort this out because I'm paying and you're the guy who thinks he can tell the story best We have to sell this and you can go both ways and it could be a good thing and a bad thing Does what I mean like in theory like I said it was an idealistic point of view It actually in a sense isn't because in his worldview studios just can't add anything worthwhile nor can producers It's just it's just like there's never a point where a producer could look at a film and go Hmm, maybe like the character should say this instead And it's like it must necessarily make the film I mean, you know like to to to get more to like I guess a more fundamental thing There are some producers who like movies. Yeah, there are Like movies, I mean Yeah, they all don't want to take your spirit cooking and have your children play twister at tom hanks house No, sorry. Did I get too dark? what Always with the Somebody said it's like an episode of I carly in the chat. By the way, are you talking about Behind the scenes or the actual show? Um, yeah, because it's the it's a dan schneider, right? That's the one The the feet guy or is that someone else? I think that's The I carly guy, right? Right. Yeah, I read the autobiography of the the girl who was in that and oh Yeah, I'm in from some pretty interesting reading. All right. That was uh, well, that was the order about the the the one about the mum, right? Yeah, yeah, it's it's titled like I'm glad my mum's dead or something and uh, yeah Well, you kind of get why she got to that point But yeah, there was some interesting revelations about what went on behind the scenes there. Yeah, you know, uh When when the film and scenes and we get all those stories of like an actor being like I think this line would work and a director might say oh my god That's an amazing line Although like one of the laziest ones I remember is the because the the arnie documentary was He was like I will be back would be the better line more robotic and then james camera says i'm the fucking writer An audience admitted like yep, that was probably the best decision considering it's one of if not the most iconic line in cinema It's like it's in the top 10 at least, you know I'll be back and he said like I never would have thought that's what that line would become But it's like yeah, fuck yeah, but in the same vein on he's produced plenty of movies, right? So what if he was on set as a producer and he's also talked very highly of producers I listened to his audio book where he was talking about on twins and he spoke highly I can't remember the producer's name, but I Recall he was speaking, you know, and and yeah, he's produced stuff a lot of creative You know steven Spielberg produces lots of stuff He executive produced Anna Maniacs Do you think that because of that like him because he didn't direct any of the episodes that every single perspective He ever could have offered on that show was detrimental to that show You don't believe that because that's stupid because because chris will be like well. No, he's spielberg. You're like George lucas signed off on everything according to uh many for that show I mean that every writer is going to be great two of the writers of madame web Worked on another film in the sony universe that has been heavily criticized called morbius That's the harshest you'll ever catch him by him saying i'm not saying every writer is great someone made morbius It's not like It's like Exactly Why can't you just own a position? Why can't you just say you think that they wrote a bad film? Yeah, he's just in case anyone thought that it's such a weird way of speaking because like I think a lot of people would be like Yeah, he did just criticize The the morban movie, but at the same time he's already said he won't be bashing movies But he also criticized in a way that was more so everyone else did You know, so if it's an aggregately in a sense like if it's aggregate bad Does that mean that the film is bad or you having your own opinion here? No, he just has to bow to reality at certain points and say like yeah Um other people thought that this was bad the general consensus seems to be that this was a terrible movie But i'm not saying anything about it. Yeah, I don't mean he's having his cake and eating it doing the sense of I will I will present reality, but I will not implicate myself in the negativity Then you shake him, you know chris say something bad about morbius and he goes well it wasn't a home run Yeah, I honestly if filmmaking doesn't work out for him. I think there's a great career in politics ahead for it Yes, I I mean Maybe honestly because like this shit seems to work. It's uh, I remember is It really is like kind of the black pill where you realize that you can say something incredibly mean But if you say it in a nice polite tone of voice you can get away with it Like you can just slip away you can get away with saying something harsh Meanwhile, if you speak in a harsh way, but you're saying something that's pretty tame or even positive Just because of the tone of voice that can be read in a certain way Yeah, the british have been getting away with it for years centuries Story it doesn't mean that every oh and so yeah the way I've edited it now is he said The you know, you don't always have great writers But he will not be bashing madame web because it's the studio that fucked him up But he's just admitted that morbius, you know, I probably had some bad around me like, hmm Does he know Who wrote does he know? Wow, because this seems this seems like one of the few cases where people have actually looked into who wrote madame web Like because a lot of the time people just don't know who write films Um, but with this one it feels like a lot of people are really aware of uh of that If he knows it's really important. It's really really important There's that news of uh marvel retooling and if it's a very long article in the hollywood reporter But they tell you who's writing uh, who's rewriting fantastic for and it's people who wrote black widow Yes Well, because the guy who's directing fantastic four was one of the directors on uh, Wanda vision. Yes Um, it's it is a little it's it's a little crazy when you start to see it's like Oh, and you what did you have before this that you wrote? Oh one episode of television or like one short film Here you go. You're writing a feature film for marvel that's got a cost 20 million dollars produced and then once you do that It's like, oh, you can get your own tv show. You can get your own You know, you get to direct the next avengers film. I don't get it I don't understand how it that is the way that it works Like it seems to me that the normal way is you have to direct a bunch of films before they're confident enough to Give you that much money to make a film for them or confident in you know that you're going to deliver something that either people are going to find Uh, like super entertaining or it's going to be quickly claimed I don't know if they bring these people in on like multi-project contracts So they say like we're gonna start you on this one But you've got like three more things scheduled in and it'll be something it'll either be tv episodes It'll be a movie whatever I think there's uh, there's a few overall deals for some of these guys Most of it's like they're casting directors now. That's all they're doing You know, it's something they can virtue single about and it's their approach because it's producer It's a producer driven market now and that's not what film used to be producers had a big part in it But the director still was in the driver's seat much less so for television for television It was the producer had writer writer's room director just kind of did what the head writers told them to do That's what's happening in film now. So that's why you know In the beginning of the mcu. They had some pretty decent directors Kenneth Brown out, you know But then they got away from them just Whedon because they were becoming a pain in the ass because they wanted to be creatively in charge Yeah Remember how he said that the mcu he didn't include the mcu and he said it was sony based which is really weird when We've got many examples of creative people leaving the mcu because they can't stand how it works And we've not just not just in phase five or phase four. It's like we're going all the way back to fucking phase two, man Again, like all the way back to the age of Ultron ant-man Uh, and then you know, Scott Derrickson But nobody cared because he got replaced by Sam Raimi. So who cares about what he wanted to make for dr Yeah, I'll never get over like that's crazy to me That was a guy who left because he felt like his creative vision couldn't be realized and nobody gave a fuck Like nobody cared because people like Sam Raimi more than him. That's why yeah simple as Uh, yeah, because that's that's where I mean this this process that he's highlighting is so inept in terms of the actual information We have fucking Edgar Wright. That's like one of the famous ones Yeah, what's this weird? It's like, oh, yeah, this is a problem with sony. It's like, yeah, it's not a problem with disney though, huh? Like no, I know right? It's a problem everywhere. And it's how you work with it. Uh, You know james guns, uh Guardians of the galaxy volume three some people here didn't like it some people did But uh, it did okay Then he f'd off, you know, it was his movie. I wouldn't deny that that's the thing I wouldn't have expected anyone would he would probably say no studio didn't get to touch that one Maybe like because because people liked it Is that how we you know, like how do we figure this out? And um, how do we work this? I think the reason he said the sony based one is to imply the Homecoming far from home and no way home Don't have this same sony films. This is what I'm saying like he's he's but why because in terms of aggregate schools Those do well like people on the whole like score them high. So he can't include that with mobius, can he? Right now it's safe to shit on sony everybody's up for shit on sony. Um, meanwhile ignoring First of all that they make other films But also that also that there are the films that you that some of these You know some of the liked films the generally liked films the mcu spider-man films are sony They are like joint marvel studio sure, but columbia pictures distributes them They pay most of the bills and they make most of the money It's why they don't want to give up spider-man because I want to keep making money from spider-man films But like you have to take those as part of the equation If you like homecoming or far from home or no way home or you like the spider-verse films Like sony finance those films. There's no kidding around it. They finance those movies And so this section is just If only there were a way we could discover the Let's say aptitude of the writers that are attached to madame web If only they were interviews may be available or comments from them. They could tell us their insights and their points of view Maybe if you just this is where I mean I'm like be big but it's like it is so easy man You just type that name it you've got it Do it do a little research before you make a video sounds strange, I know writer Is gonna remember. He's the one with the insight. He's the filmmaker. We're just the plebes that make fun of everything Get rid of everything all the time. That'd be great two of the writers of madame web worked on like I legit don't know That he knows that the people who've worked on mobius had any connection to madame web I don't know if he knows that for sure. Not what he's saying right now. I mean like In the sense of how the studio is entwined with them as in so he's saying right that they they're not responsible But the the writer for mobius is proof that not all writers are great Do you see what I mean? Yeah, it's funny. It's like again, haven't you and and also I don't know if he knows but the writers for mobius have written shit for That they've only written garbage only gods Every time They write shit movies that fail which is why I don't understand how they have a job They just have bad luck. They just have really bad luck with the studios meddling with all their things every single time Yeah with dracula untold and gods of egypt and the story Yes, some of you guys are laughing, but it's really it's a it's a great tragedy of creativity Yeah, this man. This man has written mobius. I had creative freedom This man has written flop after flop and you're laughing Another film in the sony universe Yeah, so what we're about to see is the two of the writers of madame web having an interview That has been heavily criticized called mobius. How excited are you to have people finally see the movie? I'm pretty excited. I mean, it's been years that we've been working on this thing and it's finally come to the public So so okay, so on the diehard spider-man fan been reading the comments since i'm a six You know, I think it was amazing spider-man. It's a 216. Yes. Okay 216. So i'm like, how do you know i've seen Yeah, I was curious about that because like 210 The film how are you gonna like get around the whole spider-man of it all having madame web and that spider-man and you figured it out How did you crack that? Well, I always wanted to tell a story about a woman who was Seeing the future thought she was seeing the future Oh, yeah, so I put on the question was how you're gonna get around the spider-man of it all and this is his answer This could be like answer If you thought you were seeing the if you saw visions in the future You would probably thought that you probably think that you were losing your mind And so telling that story and then finding the character within the spider-verse I've been told that story and in searching through everybody madame web Has no backstory Is it saying like there is no madame web in this universe? So we so she does she basically doesn't exist so she doesn't have a backstory established in this universe Most of the soul is like we can do whatever we want to do with it It's like she's they think she's a blank canvas that they can do whatever they want with that's what it seems to me Which is how they treat all the characters anyway Yep But also just that doesn't answer the question at all No, it doesn't It doesn't but I mean of course. I mean they they really respect the lore. No. No, he's not done Oh, he gets it gets worse. It gets worse the character within the spider-verse I think you told that story and in searching through everybody madame web Has no backstory and so that really gave us a lot of freedom and all the I mean all the SJ everybody the freedom to like tell the story that they felt would be You know right now, but still set in 2003 so that you could have this off. What the fuck does that even mean? Right now, but also That was just a word salad You've got that stock answer for any question is like final just I get it was still very poorly rehearsed Yeah, well it makes me wonder don't you guys do rehearsals? Don't you your writers? Do you think about what am I going to ask? This is what am I going to be asked? This is your film. How is this the best you could master? I feel like we could make a better reason to learn about It's like he's taking a test on somebody else's story Yeah, that he is the source of all knowledge that the story is from you know It is making a lot of sense to me. Uh the dialogue quality. Yes Yes, this is exactly what i'm getting at like you go look into the people creating you like wait a minute How the fuck are you guys creating this who gave you this like what's going on? You check the histories. You're like, oh my god that they felt would be You know right now, but I love that cut 2003 so that you could have the song Nothing you said made any fucking sense I feel like this is one of the stories where you have someone who's sneaking into an event like an assassin or something They're trying to steal like diamonds off a lady or something and so they get cornered on the red carpet It is not actually the writer. He just has to come up with bullshit on the fly So his cover isn't blown so he could go through with the mission and steal the diamonds I like an alternate reality version of the guy on the the game awards bill clinton kid Likey blogs there the man had a plan. All right. Say what you will but he had a plan and to be absolutely clear He was asked How did you get around the fact that you know spider-man you got to get around that and he says Uh, yeah, I wanted to tell a story of a woman who could have premonitions and uh madame webs perfect because she doesn't have a back story Yeah, so they had this they had the story before madame web Like you didn't even mention spider-man, but okay spider-verse Then easy answer to that would be why would I have to work around the spider-man of it all? This is madame web It would you say it was easy. We just focused on a different character story. Yeah Um, my my take on well first of all, I agree with with with with karem Uh, just so you know krem started this is the entire process and then so he's he's it on He's in on the robbery by the way So they're both on the robbery and they're being caught. I'm totally in with karem That's I'm gonna make up his name Krem's a name krem That's a name. I love that Like can I get a production person here? I know I know I'll do this exit so he could run away. Uh triggers. Obviously funny other than that Listen to who he was looking for that he couldn't find. Yes. Uh, just so you know krem started This is the entire process and then he's my he's my pitch man My running partner vanished Ah Smart lad I'm looking for a lifeline and he couldn't get it I couldn't get it. I love that bottom line the spider man of it all. That's a that's a good title for a video Someday the spider man of it all Uh, and then the theme one of the things that we added to it was the the three spider women Who we meet them in a place where they haven't become yet So really we meet them in a place where they haven't become yet We leave them in a place where they still haven't become them yet. Yeah. Yes But maybe you think you're gonna read introduce some of the story traumatize them deeply and then the film ends. So Well, the reason we set it back in time is so that first of all Dakota Johnson could be in the movie What what what does that even mean? We set it back in time so that Dakota Johnson could be in it Nothing about that statement Can only exist in We even said all the interviews to be in 2003 as well She's actually 50 years old. Did anybody there is no Dakota Johnson. She died in a car crash three years ago In the amazon while she was researching Uh, but most importantly uh to see three young women who um, you know our destined may be hopefully things go Right As long as ben dies. Yeah, he was almost about to say to see three women become heroes. It's like, oh, right. That didn't happen in the movie To set up three other women to become heroes, maybe one day perhaps Absolutely not that where we start. Um, which is the essence of the spider man character That's the essence of the spider man character Is becoming a hero? Spider man is three young women who haven't become heroes yet, okay I mean, I think the reason why people love spider man Our idea is that he just seemed the closest to me. I don't believe you I don't believe he seems the closest to you. So that's why you love him. It's just oh, I love spider man, don't you? I don't I don't even I don't love spider man I think he's really cool and he's neat, but I wouldn't say like no, I don't love spider man There's not a long list No, I'm just asking if they do no No, no, no Spider man, do you really really could you think you're convincing like? No, you don't they just want to be they just want to leave they They're in fight or flight mode right now and they just want to go elsewhere They just want to skirt through this night any questions about their own movie like I don't know. Geez. They're my character and that's the spider man. Yeah spider man I mean, I think the reason why people love spider man. Our idea is that he just seemed the closest to to me Yeah, I'm very grounded. Are you a 16 year old? I'm a hollywood writer. I'm very grounded. I just He's got nothing. He actually has nothing to say. He's got nothing to say About their own movie that they got paid a lot of money to write Well, think about all the people out there who would kill to be in a position where they're wearing a nice tux They're on the black carpet and they're being interviewed by somebody about the film that they wrote in the characters that they made People would kill to be to have this kind of opportunity to have that be their job And he's just like That we all love spider-man for his neck and rags. I thought you were going to say people would kill to write madame web And I just thought no, I don't really They're still out there who would have been like I would have fucking done it Someone out there who's really disappointed with it. It's an adaptation of the madame web story character Yeah, they might have said uh, I would kill just to make sure it never happened I would get in the time machine and hitler gets a pass But I got to make sure that madame web does not get made You can do it like a future armo where uh, they keep going back in time to sort things out And then they keep stop they want to stop at hitler to kill him But eventually they're doing it so fast that farms. It's like i'll just shoot him out the window as we travel Little sniper stuff like he was grounded and uh, so then in telling another spider-man story or in the spider verse We'll say it was like we wanted to just take a woman who Didn't have any special powers and didn't know what was in store. How many special powers? He means before That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, but pita pocket didn't have any well. Yeah, but that's every one almost There's hardly any of the heroes Adam webs a mutant so she did have the power. Ah, yes, that's right, but not in this No To be fair for you she had no backstory so That's true. She had no back story. You know, it's like madame. Never ever ever been written about before ever It's a totally original new idea You know the movie opens this weekend Big box office big success. Sony says let's do I love that you chose to cut in on his He knows I'm so glad I didn't choose royalties. Yeah, this allery This dude he doesn't need to be mad and webbed and over this movie was gonna go box office wise Also cameraman. What the fuck? What the fuck are we doing cameraman? I think it's an interviewer's fault. He's moved around in the camera static You think so? Yeah movie opens this weekend big box office big success Sony says About where the story will go I mean, I've got plenty of ideas and uh After the movie, I'm gonna track down the executive in charge of this and tell them tell them all of them I got so many ideas man the ideas. They're just poor anatomy so many ideas So many I just can't even say a single one Tell you maybe five percent of them are approaching quality Well, what's one of the wonderful things about this movie is that not only miss madame web You know becoming a hero Well, you have these three incredible women who also are on their own journeys both together and apart so Um, there are a lot of possibilities. Yeah, they've become real heroes by the end The guy also like where does madame web go behind there in the future The first answer was I got ideas the second answer was lots of possibilities Yeah, I mean she's she's blind and paralyzed. So I don't think she's gonna go with too many places to be That can't be undersold that the origin story of this movie as she loses her ability to walk and see that's it She has the powers the power she gains Yes, and she takes three women on various journeys that are basically porn scenarios and we don't get the money shots When she should probably end up in several Jails like by the end in terms of all the shit that she goes through the movie and what they tell us She was uh Yes I do love that by the way. It's like, oh no, they're heading to the explosive factory Fucking michael bay movie It should have said acme on the side. No, it would have made more sense Guys abandoned as well. It's like an abandoned fireworks factory that still has all the fireworks in it Yeah, just open and accessible in new york. Just say free fireworks. Come on down Yeah, it was open and accessible It was there was literally a hole in the wall that had not been patched over That hadn't been like boarded up or anything just on the streets of new york Just yeah, just free fireworks. Everybody come on get some 2003 new york was a very high trust society. All right One of the producers told the writers we need to have an explosive finale and so they said, all right. I got you I get I can do it That was the studio's fault because I said it needs to be explosive and the rhino said how about it? Just with explosives Yeah, good enough. Okay. This interview really is like two aliens. Yeah a little bit transported onto earth and they don't know they just don't know what to do and they're trying to seem human Yes There's a villain who Maybe won't be quite so villainous at some point in the future. We'll see but sometimes What I've raised dead and what I've experienced myself He's dead No one's ever really gone under he's multi-vis so yeah, okay All right. Yeah, everybody's designed to see more of a zikio Sims. Yeah, he was really good I I honestly am I loved every line he said he was I like the beginning where he shot that pregnant woman to death That was My favorite part was when his lines didn't match what he was saying on the screen Oh, the adr was brutal Everyone everyone has noticed the adr on that. It seems it is Not great. You had the Anyway, the fact that he's like, you know got this position of don't be bashing the creatives Like what if they're dumb as fuck and they say insane things and they talk They justifications for making this horrible shit. It's like almost to the point. We can't even understand what they're saying It's nonsense. What they just said was nonsense through and through I do like the idea of maybe the screen rant interviewer guy asked them a legitimately tough or critical question And stuckman shows up in like a superhero outfit and he stands between Between when he says get away from those artists fiend go and interview someone else Did the studio send you? This might be something that you guys have discussed as well before I got here, but fundamentally like Criticism isn't about being mean like you don't have to be a nasty person to criticize something if it's constructive Well-meaning criticism like if you really care that much about being polite and not hurting the feelings of the creatives You can provide constructive criticism of where their movie went wrong and suggestions for how they might have done it better That's not a bad thing But that would involve you having to actually like put some effort in and you'd have to make more than a five minute long video Um listing all the production information about the film Furthermore, you don't even need to attribute the bad writing to anyone. You can just leave it open You can just say the writing is bad because it is you don't even need to say the writer for stupid And again, like okay, if you want to say the writing's bad, fine Like do that, but then give us examples of why it's bad like things that don't make sense within the story and make some Suggestions for how you could have fixed that problem Like that that's the essence of what your critique could be it's solving problems for the people who made it You have a platform to while you are criticizing movies and praising them You you also are in a position where you can show your chops and how good you are at making stories See, here's what here's what I would have done if I was a Writer for a creator a director for one of these movies not saying that I I ever will be of course But but if I was I would do this and this and that and hear the issues Yeah, and it's not about tearing them down It's about showing them a different way that they might have done things and they might have approached it And it's giving them feedback that will probably stand them in good stead Going forward, you know, it's like criticism is a vital tool for a creative to get better at what they do Because if you just tell them that everything that they make is amazing When it's absolute dog shit, they're never going to have any incentive to improve It's a vital tool for life A nature of art, you know, it's we all have to deal with it our own way. It's not negative. That's the point. Yeah Imagine you're okay. Imagine you're the writer of this movie and let's say the studio Everyone but ragged Everyone but rags imagine you're the writer for this movie Imagine you wrote something that was actually pretty good and the studio made you make it stupid. All right Let's just say chris duckman's theory Actually happened if you get if you see a critic saying oh the writing kind of sucked This is what I would have done instead and it actually looks a lot more like what you originally wrote Wouldn't that be kind of affirming in a way? Yeah other people Recognize that that it wasn't good. I think so We are everybody's not taking advantage of his incredible platform and opportunity That affirms to sam ramy like, uh, okay I don't need to feel so bad because they all think it sucks like me or I don't Does he think it sucks or does he just think it's like worse the other ones? Five on three Uh, yeah, there's sam ramy said like he hates that movie or does he just not think it's as good Like does he have it really talked about it? Uh, yeah, he's he's apologized for it And he's and he's and he's talked about the actual the vet and being forced in That wasn't originally what he wanted to do, but he decided to be a team player Yeah, I guess I understand that yeah, that could be another instance where you just be like, yeah, okay I mean like if it's not yours, then why would you feel bad about people shitting on it? If it's basically like your creation Uh, you know, david air is out there talking about I think that's a pretty good case of studio interference with the movie Whether, you know, yeah, that squad was great or not. We'll never know but he hasn't been quite about it No, he hasn't That to be honest with you. I'd love more of that. It's fun I would tell fucked my movie But obviously you gotta be careful because then you won't and by the way, this is reasonable if I pace I want to make a movie I think they did a bad job, but I read as it and then they say fuck you I'll be like we're not working together in future, bud You fucked me first. I'm I'm fucking you back One of my favorite examples of a of a filmmaker speaking openly about this sort of thing is a david fincher talking about alien 3 Yeah, comparing it to being ritually sodomized That's what it is. He's like, yeah, he straight up disowned that movie, didn't he for a long time. I did And then I imagine it'd be more ritually sodomized Interesting On my film but on scripts that I've optioned to some studios And it went nowhere is that when people have power over you as a creative When they're paying your bills and they're paying you well They can tell you to do anything No, they tell you you can they tell you to do anything because that's what you signed These are these are very yeah, like the contracts to these must be insane. Yeah When when they pay you they're like so this money Is what for what's in this series of papers and you know what's in these papers? And it says I get final say on basically everything and you're like Hmm You want to sign you get the money, but you also don't get to be 100 free to do whatever you want Some people would say that's kind of normal Yeah, I mean would you like would you take a job getting a whole bunch of money to be able to make a big Hollywood movie that everyone will know about if you know going in that this movie is going to be 80% my vision But when I see it from the the studios point as well, it's like okay we're going to invest a hundred million dollars of our cash into this movie And we're hiring you we're paying you a good old whack of money as well And the stipulation is that we have to have final say over what you make because you know, it's our money 100 million I think that's something that needs to be you know, it's it's like people need to be reminded. It's it is it's their money um They're the ones who are incurring the big financial risk Potentially on a film now. Does that mean that they should be able to you know Like what's the point of hiring a director of you if you're just going to make every single decision And they don't get to say anything at all like why would you pick any given director unless you thought that their ideas would be More worthwhile more interesting or in a more cynical sense more likely to make money Well, I mean They're probably gonna have an opinion on what's happening in the film given that they're the ones who are financing it And this is the annoying thing like because it puts us in this uncomfortable position of having to defend these giant studios Who often fuck things up but like at the same time the reality of the the World that they live in and the the way that they finance these movies You can't just ignore it and say oh, it's so unfair This is how it's done and it's done because they're the ones who pay for it ultimately It's very easy If you if you don't go in with a mindset of realizing that Um, it's very I guess it's very easy to be critical of other people's money But imagine that was your money that you were spending on a movie and you're taking out a huge I mean again 100 million dollars is is not possible to conceive of really. It's just a number We have to come up with We have to come up with these like abstract ways to try and understand how much money that actually is Because our apes slash dog brains just cannot fathom a number that well I mean, I guess one way to put it in the perspective of 100 million dollars that'll buy you what 30 houses in san francisco Like 30 houses that'll be about as how much it is So, you know, you can put it into perspective a little bit. It's a lot of look It's a lot of houses it is an insane amount of money Yeah, and when somebody else is putting all this money forwards In a in a world where the real the reality is companies can die Companies can go bankrupt companies can end And that that is that that's a real thing, especially when you're dealing in these big chunks of change. So And that used to happen in old hollywood a lot like one single flop would destroy a studio so and we just don't know the to the extent at which, um Studios save films. There's just no records of it really Well, it's because it's not it's not the story that people like of no producer Maybe said don't do that and then that turns out that that was the right decision And you know, it could be that the rationale behind the producer's You know making that decision it could be a really stupid one It could be something stupid and cynical But it could have ended up being the right decision anyway creatively That's possible or it could just be that the direct the producer actually had a creative thought there That was more in line with what the film needed to be that's possible It's possible that would be the thing that would have to be conceded. It is at least possible. It is feasible Not if you're chris stuckman. No, no To state the obvious as we cover an entire video of a guy just stating the obvious What it lacks is nuance, right? So like these these are all nuance discussions something that, uh, again I think we need to give this guy a void conf test. I'm not sure he understands On that note, I think, um The nature of the fact that people can move in and out of producer roles or studio roles will stop their own studios Makes this point from him Just useless because if he was to release Shelby Oaks and it makes 10 trillion dollars It's the best thing ever and everyone love everyone buys 10 copies of it Um, he's going to start stuckman eyes to the studio where he's going to supply plenty of money to all kinds of creative people And he's just starting to join it And he grabs up this this plucky new Orter who makes this incredible film on sat but at the end they're like and then the hero Slips on his own piss and cracks his head on the floor and dies And chris is there in the on sat and he's like Can we okay, can we shoot another scene where that doesn't happen and then we'll have a look in the editing I see which one works better for the story and they just go chris What are you doing, man? He's like, what you're approaching on my creative vision I want the piss chris. Let me have the piss You said creatives should have complete freedom. You said you watch creative You are the producer and I want him to slip on piss and die. Did you see the borderlands trailer? Oh, I just saw what's in there. I um, I I saw I didn't see the trailer. I saw the image I mistakenly called it suicide squad multiple times to different people Yeah, yeah, it's some bizarre casting if that poster's anything to go by I've seen the trailer. P is uh, is prevalent in it. So um, I I think that the um, I I guess the the theme of this video we're watching is that either you Die a youtuber or you live long enough to become a producer Yes And you have to do it No matter what it's like that scene in vampire's kiss When nicolas gaige is threatening to fire his secretary and he says Oh, he plays the entire scene as well. I've chopped it. Don't worry But in essence though It's so funny to be like this is so unfair the fact that the people who gave you the money to sign a contract In which you had to perform certain actions in the work that they have offered you Can actually make it so that you have to do certain things Imagine you're an employee. They're paying for it. You're your boss someone Like what if you paid someone to put carpet in your house and then they were like, you know what? I'm thinking pink carpet pink and green pink and green stripes with purple spots And that's my creative decision for the carpet in this house. You would go. No, no, no, no I'm paying you to install beige carpet. What are you doing? Like no, listen, you can't infringe on my creative freedom here Right. I'm the carpenter, right Well, and people don't act this way to things that aren't movies. It seems we're verging on What you're supposed to do in that scenario if you don't want your creative vision destroyed There's an option right there You can take it if you want That you didn't sign to begin with you to put one foot in front of the other foot And then do that over and over again in a specific direction. The doors are walking Yeah, you could lose your job quit the projects cancel out There's uh, there's so many What do you even call it when someone says woe is me? I've been given millions to not complete the story the way I want it It's it's like man that sucks I mean and if and if your attitude is but I need other people's money to make my vision a reality He's like well tough. Welcome to litter. That's us. That's me I my I require millions of other people's dollars to make my Creative visions come true on the big screen. That's everyone chris. Welcome to the club The regret um funnily enough is not even at least the way I understood this whole time was not that the studio has Prevented the creative from making the creative decision though. The tragedy is usually they ruined what was sounded like a better story That's not necessary Like that doesn't mean that that happens every time a studio encroaches on a creative That's not how that works that is just when we have all the detail and we know that oh wow that was there That seemed out of place, you know, yeah, it turns out the studio pushed that you're like, oh I wish they hadn't vice versa Well, uh, iron man getting pushed into uh civil war right the third captain america film In retrospect that seems like it was a good choice Because they managed to bring in like a huge cast to make the film feel much more Like it lives in the mcu Actively as opposed to if it was just a cab film where he's a rogue avenger and that what tony just doesn't show up like okay That'd have been strange And so if we are going to say that that was a studio decision like oh, I mean, you know, I guess they made it work Right and that's kind of a Symbiosis that doesn't get commented on when the studios say I wanted to do thing Don't know how you're gonna do it but do it and then the creative actually manages to make something from it They're like damn, I didn't want to have to do this But if I do have to I think we could do this this this this and then it's like oh wow look at you both go There is I mean, that's why When we've talked about it before on efab, that's just being able to communicate and compromise with people They're giving something you want something you got to meet in the middle. This is this is just a part of life It's just that's reality It's it's a quote that I remember from one of the bungee vidox for hello three where they were talking about the The fight the battle between art and design And to paraphrase the concluding statement was along the lines of if either art is really happy or design is really happy Then something's wrong But if we're both kind of unhappy Then it means we probably got the right balance That there's that push and pull that tug between what the artists want and what the designers want And that the push and pull and the fighting and occasionally giving up and occasionally fighting for the thing that you want Kind of synthesizes into the right balance. Yeah That that the idea that you're not going to ever compromise ever It's like well, that's I mean that it's just not conducive to working in a team If you're working in a team, there's going to be compromises Also a big part of being a director being a good director means being able to convince people of your ideas Like if you can't convince the the studio exec who has a stupid idea Let's say let's just agree his idea is stupid And you're like no, I really think it ought to be this way if you can't convince them then then you failed a little bit too I mean, maybe they're just the worst Maybe they're a little tyrant who just wants whatever they want and they don't care about you at all But a big part of being a director is being like no, this is why I want it to be this way It's important all these pieces fit together. This is why Like that's what your job is Why have we made the director the person who's at the very top of the totem pole in terms of who has their creative vision You know sacrosanct over everyone else You have costume designers. You have visual effects artists. You have the You know the script writers you have all of these people Well, the reason why would be I guess the conclusion is that the director is the head of creative basically Yeah Yeah, but but in terms of like why like if you were to ask chris duckman would chris duckman say No, no, no, no, no, it's okay If the director tells the person who does the costumes that it needs to be done this way Not the way that you want it to be done or no, no, this set needs to be this way This props need to be this way not the way you want it done and that's okay for me to do Um Yeah, but ultimately what you're doing is you're telling them to do something when they're not being paid by you Well, right. The formula is just like the director is formula is so clear because of the scott derrickson versus sam ramy thing It's when two creatives clash everyone sides with the one we think is better The one a director like a peter jackson has conflict with You know jimbo bajuba who's sorting out the chain mail and peter says nah, that's not good enough. You need to make it like this We're not going to be like trust jimbo bajumba. He knows what he's doing. We're gonna be like, uh, you know, go go peter's got like the You know, he's he's got he knows what he's doing and we got that sort of thing Yeah, and to an extent that is probably the way you would need to do it because we can't Settle every single disagreement at every level of filmmaking with the budget and time we have which can't We we opt to go with well the director's gonna get the final say probably But ultimately the final final final say is all of the money like who's who's fucking spending on this shit And uh, yeah, you'll get different people saying go nuts or not That is a simple reality But the thing is with how much money is bleeding out these days. I'm surprised studios aren't taking even more control Because like do you think phase four and five in the mcu is as a result of the studios getting the films they wanted? I guess a result can't have been fikey getting the 50 the films that he wanted. Yep Yeah, like I would say he's he's got to be on the hook for that like he has to be Responsible and the man's gonna soak up the fame That was him basically Oh, also, by the way, I've just been made aware. I had no idea this was happening. Um, he's lost 10 000 subs For a stuckling from this because of this video. Wow. Really? Yeah Really? Because it's a social blade, which is all rounded now, but yeah Oh, I guess uh, because we will get there, but his comment section is angry Has he has he responded to any of this not yet? No, I don't think so anyway I Wait, we're gonna say someone No, I'm just surprised that there'd been a there would be any pushback to this I would have said that is a little surprising I would agree I agree as well. I wouldn't have thought that people would be that mad, but they were also my watch together is Hang on. I need to reload it Yeah Let me fix this as well Oh, I'll show a lot of faces are cut off right now. I'm sure people at home are terrified I'm terrified Because uh, my beautiful face The internet cutting out problem has been solved chat also I saw some people still complaining about the ad placement. It is on the lowest setting now I don't know what the fuck's going on with youtube's back end if it's still not Um Like fixed or whatever. Uh-oh my watch together is uh, just dead. Nothing's happening to me What do you mean? I can't do anything. It's just like it's black screen with zeros Oh, uh, maybe Do that do anything No, it's funny enough. I can see that you're doing something, but it's just Well, it's a 1030 again, you want to refresh and it's a 1030 Plus thing. I uh, I fully reloaded it, which you'd think would do something Uh, maybe try like in a different browser Yeah Chrome sucks. It really does. Not that you're using chrome. Chrome is garbage. Yeah Oh, I am using chrome, but you guys still agree. Yeah, I've been using firefox It's not much better, but it's better chrome I'm gonna incognito fix it So I think I did last time actually Oh I think it might be fixed Exactly what it feels like when you're beautiful. Yep Yay, there you go. That makes more complete sense. Yay For a second there we were we'll cut off from yes We're creative dealing with a larger entity that has control over your creation or at least your script or your story or your characters When they can tell you what to do and you got to do it It doesn't matter if you think it's the same you have to find a way to make it work You don't have to always there's always a choice. You can always you don't have to Well, it's not what happened with the um Jurassic world movie that just came out like they lost the director because of creative differences He he left He left you walked he turned around. I mean even even beyond the scope of you can leave which is obviously the Like that's the the the big the big old choice You can just like you can fight with producers you can get into arguments with them about what you think is right And sometimes you might win and convince them and sometimes you might lose That's also part of the equation of making anything when there's like a producer involved It's not like they can't be convinced out of a perspective that they have you can fight for your film It's this crazy world where you have to collaborate with lots of different people in order to get a big project like this done Yeah, and everyone's beholden to everybody all over the place There's there's a huge chain of command essentially right like he's saying you just have to do what the studio says And it's like yeah The director gets to decide what the actors do and the actors have to get to decide what their personal assistants do Oh, and also like, you know entities decide whether or not your film is rated PG 13 Or if it's R rated depending on what parameters you film like whatever your criteria your film satisfies And that'll change how many people can watch it. Yeah Yeah, you got to go to them and say, what do we need to change? There's a reason that blood doesn't squirt out alerts Once his arm and head get plopped off. I mean, dude, you got to make some you got to make some changes You got to play in the system a little bit sacrificing Yep And you know, we hear about the I think some of the famous examples would be Chevy Chase and Dan Harmon on community huge breakdown of communication between an actor and a director because of creative differences Sean Connery and I forget the name of the director of leaguer's tony gentlemen, but that was a famous one as well Like um, Wesley Snipes on blade three. He refused to fucking come out of his trailer. He wouldn't even talk to the director I had to do it by a written notes Oh, and that was the rumor is for world war z as well that brad pit Stop talking to the director because he was so mad about all the reshoots Yeah so This happens all the time and you can you can push and pull with the power that you have you can quit You can try to compromise you can try to explain what he's talking about is one tiny aspect of a very narrow Operation that happens throughout all of filmmaking and all of industry basically But he's making it sound like If anything, he's uh, he's damaging the conversation because he's making it seem like studios and producers are just fucking people that ruin everything Yeah, he hasn't even mentioned the fact that they're the ones paying for the movie Well, again, it's it's like if you want to make a film that's like a 200 million dollar blockbuster Unless you have 200 million dollars just laying around that you can invest in that project Like what do you do you believe that because you have the idea you have an idea on your head for a 200 million dollar blockbuster That you're like entitled to have the means to create that and that once you get it Nobody can say anything to you never mind just producers But what about the actors what if they disagree with you on your I am the king Yeah, I am in charge I mean if you're paying all the bills, maybe you will be the one in charge Okay, so he's highlighted the nature of the money and the creative like power when they were making notes from melanie Don't you think you had insane money and power levels over your actors? Yeah, and they knew they couldn't push back too much. They want to have the job Because that's how it works at all levels. I don't know why we're how unless you're unless again, you're like a martin scorsese who's built up enough of a Reputation that you get to basically say I want to do whatever I want and you're allowed to Because you have the reputation the same vein the rapport that he has with someone like Robert De Niro There's probably nothing they don't understand from each other at this point in terms of like Yep, exactly, you know, I think the character should do this. Why this reason? Yeah, that could work Okay, you know like or whatever Or you know, if it was someone new he might not give us much of a fuck about what they have to say Or if for example a gal Gadot says I think wonder what we should do this. You might just say shut the fuck up. I'm the writer No, I'm not saying that's what happened on madame web and morbius and all these movies But I would not be there because you have no idea because you didn't look into it at all He did He did assume it really is correct Prize because when I look at sony's involvement with the spider-verse films I see lord and miller that have had massive success on the big screen in the past that have made have you looked Into what they've said What if they said uh, it's a bit grueling because a lot of your choices get slapped down by the studio But ultimately you still get to make something that people are inspired by like what if they said someone like that? I wonder what I wonder what his opinion is on the uh reported crunch on across the spider-verse good old Chris Stockman, I wonder if he has an opinion on it And whether or not they uh have any amount of responsibility for uh anything that would have been brought up relating to that Of money for a lot of people and have proven themselves to be very smart at what they do and I can totally see a company like Sony saying why don't you guys give us your best shot and then we'll give you some notes Now for a filmmaker like sj. Clarkson who made madame web She's had a long and respectable career directing television But she's directing her first movie and it's a sony superhero movie When I saw madame web earlier today, there wasn't a single part of me that thought Wow, this is just a terrible filmmaker. I could not help They're really really You gotta see how he finishes the sentence for that to make sense. Okay. Okay a terrible filmmaker I could not help but see The myriad of evidence that has been laid at all of our feet that this is a studio That is simply retaining the rights to their characters that does not care About the quality of this experience. They're giving us Sure Prevent us with this myriad of evidence that's been laid out To see what you see chris help us because also They didn't set out to make a shit movie. No, so when he obviously wanted this movie to make a billion dollars. They wanted it to be good So they clearly did care about providing a good experience for the the end's User the audience. They just weren't able to deliver it. Who's fault is that is it theirs? Or is it the the creatives or is it both or I would they have meddled so much if they didn't care They promoted the hell out of it. Yeah as we I see something fading in. I see something fading in here. What is that? No context that I want to talk more about what he said. So this this assertion That he saw the film and by the way, this is another bashing the film He said like I'm not going to call them terrible filmmakers. You're like, wait, why would you say that in the first place? It's like, oh because it's bad. Right. Okay. Um, but he's saying no There's not evidence of that there's evidence that the studio didn't care What if he was faced with a studio member right now a producer who said I worked my fucking ass off for this I care about madam web. I tried to make it work The fucking director was an inept idiot and like she fucked everything up But no, I don't care according to you because I'm not creative But she is right because she's got a history in tv Which automatically means I should just let her do anything she wants Which I did by the way, like if he said all this to him, I wonder if chris would be like, oh, fuck Like Not to mention her priors, you know, she did the blood moon pretty cool for game of thrones They spent 30 million dollars on that and it will never see the lighted Never see it. Oh someone but um, we could do it find a way Trying he's like his whole thing is trying to protect Directors and writers from the torrent of hate that they can often get from people who don't understand the studio's ruin things By expelling a torrent of hate at all the people in the studio Yeah, yeah, how does this The idea of like a studio executive is watching chris stuckman's video and being oh But also He stripping the director of any of her autonomy or capacity to make any choices whatsoever Yeah, you're saying there's nothing she could have done nothing that she she was just a slave to the He said there was a myriad of evidence that that's the case Yeah, this is a golden tablet situation. He's not going to share this divine knowledge with the rest of us We're just gonna have to no, he's not take it on He's just we're just gonna have to take it on faith from chris of all of these things That would be a neat thing to point out. But I guess you don't want to be mean So much for being a reviewer Worth remembering that she is also an executive producer the other thing He just he just got finished saying no, I don't know that this happened And now he's like there's a myriad of evidence that this definitely happened. What's the evidence? He's come away with a really he's done something really stupid He's he's like made the apt observation that sony is making these films so that they can retain the rights to spider-man which is true But then he's like run away with it to this weird world where it's like, oh, well, they don't you know If they make a piece of shit that doesn't make anybody. Hey, who cares, you know, they don't care It's like you think they don't care you think certain doesn't add to this film It's not going to make its money back and that everybody thinks it sucks You don't think that they only have to gain they have more than anyone else to gain They not only literally get to make more money They have now created a character and an ip that they can use to hopefully make money into the future Now is the time like if you're sony if you're not disney and you're interested in superhero stuff Now is the time to fucking strike as hard as you can and make the best shit that you can because disney's dominance over superhero stuff It's basically done Now is when you need to be cashing in all of the chips that you can on making a great movie to pry away That you know that that that disney clout that disney dominance. They're fading the king is weak. It's time to strike When he says he has a there's a myriad of evidence what he is referring to is When you watch the film, it's evident that the studio has destroyed it Which is as was just mentioned Incredibly condescending because if he had the klaxon in the call with him and she said Bro, that that's my movie that it is the way that I want it to be What the hell? I honestly imagine you would fucking No, no, no, no, wait, wait, look, I'm not I'm not saying look, okay. I'm just saying I I love I love movies I love movies. Okay. I I love filmmaking You know, it'd just be like it would just completely crumble. I imagine that this position isn't held with that much conviction at all Yeah, I guess on top of that himself in a terrible position where he can't admit that yeah creative Creatives and like people who make movies and writers and stuff. Yeah, they could be shit. They can be bad They can do bad jobs. It was revealed to me in a dream That's the way he talks about it Yeah Well, so this this is all under the context of him saying He's on his filmmakers journey and he's done several videos on that and a lot of people are defending him saying He knows better than all of us because he's a filmmaker now And I wonder if maybe in 10 years kind of like we were talking about earlier If he goes on his producer journey and then gives us the producer's point of view and then a studio journey Where he's got his own studio and he gives us that and he's like, you know what I've done some growing I've done some growing and it just uh, yeah producers actually have it a lot harder than you'd realize because who the fuck has ever Advocated for the producer for the studio nobody because it's just not a thing you do It doesn't it doesn't match anyone's fun narratives to say there is that producer who cares about the art And is trying to make things work, but also doesn't want to go bankrupt They just catch all the flak and never get any of the credit. Yeah Madame Webb which lands in theaters on wednesday february 14 2024 is set in 2003 It's a time Clarkson felt she knew well and embraces with period props and a soundtrack that includes tracks from the time Including britney spears toxic very apt for a spider bite movie I remember the noughties and I remember the nineties that was my time So in some ways it was pure nostalgia a joy to go back there and a little hilarious She explained the young spiders were on set and saying things like look at that phone. Oh my god We remember that 2003 doesn't feel like that long ago, but it was 20 years ago That's considered a period drama now. You don't realize that By the way, the fact that all of the young actresses on the film were being amazed by the technology of the period accurate props Is probably the most interesting thing about madam web that exists Well, you may or may not have detected why I've put this in here, but uh, obviously i'll explain about something at the end If not, yeah, that when you're thinking the visual effects budget is going on changing cars and led screens that are flashing But it was a time that was fun and exciting It is certainly how I remember it which was my youth There was a vibrancy and fun and the music in madame web did so much of that for us as well There also wasn't the surveillance capitalism that there is today That was a conscious effort on our part to make sure that it was only the villain that had any of this technology and that for everyone else It was like well, we know you can track things and there are cameras around but not to the extent that it is today You couldn't tap into it as that option didn't exist It was quite liberating because it meant you could tell the story without everybody getting on their smartphones Getting mad in web. I don't know man Like the newspapers the newspapers back then were pretty fucking on the ball It's like She she goes on the run with these girls and like within a matter of hours. There's like a page news That people are reading about. Oh, it's so funny. Yeah, that's how it was back then newspapers were they were amazing things. We lost uh We lost we lost something valuable sure And right after 9 11. She was able to just get on a plane go to peru like that in like an afternoon Like an afternoon. It was weird. It was it was it was it was kind of Like what what like a whiplash moment in the movie where he's like, oh, oh, shit Is she going is she going to peru to the amazon right now? Oh, oh, this is happening in the movie. She's in she's in the amazon. Okay The fucking surveillance capitalism capitalizing on surveillance I don't know. I think she just had to throw the word capitalism in there. Yeah. Yeah, she did The the fucking all the word people will be like, oh, yeah, get that fucking dig in against. Hey look, it's better than surveillance communism Okay Yeah, the communists and so they would never just like spy on you all the time and encourage you to you know Right on your neighbors. No. Yeah, they were famous for being so laid back about It's very libertarian society the uh communists. Yeah Was a race against time with the picture only being locked days before the film's theatrical release Let me be clear. I could have worked on this for longer, but every director will say that the clock was ticking I'm never ready, but we had exhibitors scrambling for it It was all to do with visual effects as those were the last things to come in It's a very grounded film Most of the visual effects in terms of the clairvoyance were done in camera with me and a diopter Making a lot of noise and smashing glass against glass and the flashlight However, we did have a big finale sequence with many visual effects and that took a bit of time to do When it comes to the army of people that make me and everybody in the movie look good by bringing the visual effects to life You want to give them as much time as possible? We also had some late additional photography which was always needed because of the strikes We had to wait So we were turning those things around at the last minute The very last shot was a computer screenshot that I did in a one with nine screens So that took a long time to complete that was the shot that I was biting my nails Waiting for to make sure that we could drop it in before midnight to deliver it It was right up to the wire. There's been too many examples of movies that all feel kind of the same like a Interesting it sounds like that's a director explaining her rationale for the creative decisions that she was making in the film No, I sound like it was her movie. We don't really agree that what she described had the effect She clearly hoped it felt it did but I mean That's her film That just sounds like a director talking about their film that was bad But I was talking about it like that sounds like a thought process was going into some of these decisions A thought process that seems divorced from a producer just saying do it because we own you like it sounds more like Oh, well, I made these choices because they afforded me these opportunities Worth theaters clamoring for this film though. I I was I mean in February. I there's not a whole lot going on. Yeah Valentine's Day Tell me about it. It's just funny that that Stockman has assumed That she had that it's like oh, this isn't her film and then you just have her saying that it is so Is she lying chris? Is she waiting for you? Is she making stuff up? Is she covering for the producers and for the reference first first will never have read this He will not have bothered to any of that research. That was the first article. I found with her talking about the movie That is probably a lot of work though. Yeah, it took like 20 no 13 seconds, I would say maybe To find chris chris doesn't have a breakup or work. He doesn't have that kind of time to waste He's a busy man It's unbelievable to me because of how confidently he believes he knows what's going on because of his insight as a filmmaker when he's admitted He has no idea what it feels like to work under a studio and then we just he's just so provably wrong He doesn't respect this very Strong independent female filmmaker who is now being crushed under his low expectations of how she could deal with the studio But as if he has any fucking clue right? He already established it, but it's true. She's been working in tv for ages She knows how this works, you know the landscape exactly She knows how the games play like yeah, sure It's her first feature, but hasn't she directed dozens and dozens of television episodes. Yes. Yes It's just it's just like I actually feel annoyed on behalf of her even though I thought a movie was fucking pissed That is like, yeah, let her own it. Let it be like this is my movie. Fuck you But no Yeah, that was a script Well, it's just funny right because if if chris was to point out things that Dumb as fuck and then he's he's like god Look at the studio's mess without the studio guys sitting there like you know that meme with like the the puppet with the eyes It's like, uh, that Yeah, that was us. Yeah, sure The fucking director is like, what didn't you like about that decision? He's like, well, obviously that it wasn't yours. She's like right Okay Mishmashed early 2000 superhero movie. They can't seem to get out of that Interesting comment because I completely disagree. I feel like it's been forever since we've been in the early 2000s mishmash of bad superhero movies. I kind of missed that era 20 years We've had a brand new era 2020 a business films Yeah, the reality is that there are there are people listening to us right now in the audience who did not exist When those things happened Well, and they're a different breed man. You go watch Like what what a considered really bad superhero movies of the 2000 era is like Dead devil Dead evil catwoman Electra Yeah, this is interesting. They it's like how many people in chat. I wonder is this news too Ben Affleck played dead devil in a movie with a pretty high budget and he had to fight column farrell's bullseye Do you know about this? Oh, hey, and it's got a director's cut that makes the movie actually a little better Well, that's kind of what my point is and I'd watch that movie I remember that film being way more entertaining than the slob we get these days Yeah Is way more It is it's funny If you would actually get a little bit more serious Some of these films are better than these new marvel films that are coming out in terms of the integrity of their scripts Like genuinely some of these films are better than like ant man and the wasp quantum mania I freaking love the ghost writer movies unapologetically Than quantum mania. It's probably better than multi-person man just in terms of its script for it's for as bad as it is This is what I mean about his lack of insight. He's arguing to us that we're still in that era. It's like no we're not No The reason why he's saying that is because that's an observation people have been making about madam web Um, and for some reason he's broadly applied it to all the films when I don't know that anybody was saying this about venom That venom feels like no one but people were saying that about madam web. At least I was in a more positive sense I was saying Many people saying in a negative sense Because these are people who still think that the new marvel films coming out now for as bad as they were On as bad as like x-men the lost stand or uh, or dead able or catwoman when just let's be real again x-men 3 if you were to look at this the writing for as bad as it is. It's probably better than quantum mania Oh, yeah, I just yeah, I just accept that it was I mean like movies is a process the way that they're made the styles that develop over time It takes decades for these things to night when we landed on the moon in 1969 allegedly It was apollo 11 11 apollo 11 Right, it took a lot of tries a lot of different things had to get done Gemini and mercury and all this stuff for us to land on the moon and actually get there So if you want to compare that to like the heart or the the peak of disney Your uh of superhero cinema, which is like the mcu at its peak A lot of stuff had to crawl out of the mud and evolve and die and try To get to what most people sort of identify with now as the is the apex superhero movie So to be able to look at madame web and be like, oh, this feels like something that's out of time It feels like something that's just just different It's legitimately a neat feeling to have and oddly enough something I kind of wish that we'd go back to in a way more experimental for sure because uh, What's funny is like that one line from magneto. He says uh, Charles Xavier did more for mutants than you'll ever know My only regret is that he had to die for our dream to live. That's better than anything in quantum mania Yeah, exactly. Um, or just a smart answer. He gives him, uh, right before he dies And and and then you it's it's it's funny if it was like back then For for all of the problems that they had they still had some general understanding of oh, yeah The character should probably go on an arc or There should be dramatic moments of consequence Even the most even these most basic sort of building blocks of storytelling that are gone now No matter how many times we've said to this studio We would prefer it if you went a different way. Well, that's not true. Venom made 800 million dollars. So you told them more venom Oh, that's what they were told By that if I'm honest, I'm not How did that make anything? I know it's venom. It's venom people like venom. That's it It's true, you know, you know, like the principal photography for venom was just over a month So they did the principal. Yes, they did the principal in san francisco Um, and they shot it right near my wife's salon at the time When they did that big jump, you know, that jump is right near her, uh old salon Yeah, the principal's photography was just over a month They turned that thing around so effing fast, man. It was crazy I think it's genuinely one of the most forgettable movies. I think I've ever seen Uh, same with like venom too as well. Like they they just I would struggle to tell you a single thing that happened in either of those films That's kind of funny. I I actually remember venom. All right. I kind of like that movie. It's not good at all But I kind of like it. I remember stupid sexy venom the girl venom I remember I don't remember much else That's about it. I remember venom telling eddie that he was a loser Just going to lose it to its face. And it's what it's all about Worst performances of his career like bar none like he's a great actor. He's terrible in that movie I like him Okay I think it's the accent. It's just so shit. It's so shit Yes And with the excellent examples of their two spider-verse films and I can't help but think who is this four Who wins here? Uh, the director she won. She's very happy with it. Also, remember chris doesn't know As far as we know chris doesn't know if those two spider-verse films had incredible studio interference No, and lord miller didn't actually have a lot of what they originally wanted to be in the movie He doesn't know that or at least I've been given no reason to think that Well, I'll turn into the lady Sony gets no props for letting them have a lot of freedom. That doesn't like go on the scorecard for good decisions that they've made Yeah, it's just neutral. Yeah, they just can't get a break. They get all the flak and none of the praise Regardless, um as for who won like I do take some level of gratitude that we had this in the sense that I absolutely love Seeing someone genuinely try to do something and do it so horribly wrong Like it's it's just the room would be the go-to example. We just like look at that. Yeah, isn't that fucking hilarious brain? And so much Yeah, so much entertainment. We all know that name Yeah, and and so like be like who won's like, well, we got to have some fun She got to make the movie she wanted to make uh the studio lost Obviously You know, they're the biggest losers in all of this. They should have had better instincts Kind of yeah, like if only the studio had involved themselves further or gotten the right people to make this movie or cancelled it before Fucking got going. Who should we hire to write our movie? Is it the audience? It seems like it isn't guys Is it the creatives? Definitely not Wow Now creatives involves director writers and actors actors are creatives too. That's it. Is that sydney swiney? I will not break the label tits reporter asked sydney swiney What's the most exciting thing about joining the hashtag mcu with madame web that I can't talk about it It's so hard because I talk so much. It was amazing. It was incredible. I'm so excited I'm just really honored to be a part of this. Well, shut up. You lost Gary wasn't it you that told me that uh like her and uh and dakota were like If I could tag in like marvel As well, but yeah, I want to make the movie They were like hashtagging like mcu and stuff when they were talking about this Yeah, so on their instagram they tagged marvel studios because they thought it was the marvel studios production Well, I mean look at the picture even the marvel studios is sweet. Well, yeah The the thing I'm obviously looking to highlight here is that he's he's just gonna have to call her a liar And I don't even mean that and we've done that before we say like they're lying for the sake of whatever But it's like I just want to hear chris say it. Tell me that sydney swiney's lying She did not enjoy her time with it. She did not have an incredible exciting time or anything It wasn't amazing Bullshit, I love not incredible. She was not excited and she was not really honored to be a part of this He definitely knows that it was not the creative's fault at all at nowhere in the process of making this movie Did a creative ever make a bad decision? No, ever You know, that went to sydney swiney is in conceivable. Halle Berry's cat woman. I uh, we got some extra Director quotes now people look at your filmography The the black is the interviewer and then she's the well boldest interviewer. She's the not They might think that it's a big leap to go straight from television to a big budget film like this But you did direct a massive pilot game of thrones prequel Blood moon a few years ago Even though it didn't work out Are you glad that you shot something on a large scale before jumping into madame web every experience I've had to date has led me to this moment. I've done over a hundred episodes of television Seriously chris like just read up what she has to say Seriously, it's just public knowledge. It's in for the the point of these interviews is to be read by people Yeah, that's why they're there My previous massive failure led to this massive failure It's all it all leads it, you know Well out of out of curiosity, why did the blood moon prequel not work out? Was it Studio decided it was not worthwhile like it wouldn't make it, you know, just as The kind of thing that probably happens a hell of a lot more than we'd ever realize But it was crazy because it was it how much did it cost guys a 30 million? 30 million dollars insane I gotta Measure a lot. Well imagine if you spend a really bad and then you're like we ain't wasted more than 30. Okay We're cutting it off there Like you guys have fucked up too much already There is as well doing all four five and six parts Which in themselves feel like you're making two or three massive features That's as many as six hours of filmmaking that I was helming And I would say that everything I've done has led to this moment really it has all given me the foundation from which to Leap so how complicated was it to shoot all these different variations of scenes in order to account for kassie's Visions and then the reality that actually plays out. Yeah, it was a challenge I was like we're going to have to shoot these scenes three times, right? We're going to need three times the amount of time to which I got a no laugh So I had to be quite meticulous in the planning most of the clairvoyance was done in camera In terms of me creating that effect with the diopter It was often shooting with dakota and explaining what was happening She at times wasn't seeing what was happening in the direction So we'd have to do that separately especially when there was stunt So it was quite challenging. I've never had call sheets and sides with more notes on them in my entire career I want to thank you for not including a mid credit scene in general I've grown so weary of post credit scenes that often lead to nowhere at least in recent memory Was it important to you to just tell a satisfying close-ended story on its own term? Yeah, it was about telling a great story My father always used to say if you have to say something stand up speak up and then shut up So when I got to the end credits, I felt that we'd said everything we needed to say in the film It's up to whatever is next to take on the baton It was about telling a great story and we'd said everything we needed to say Yep But chris she failed she lost She knew if only she knew that she was actually a slave that she had no input. She had no She was in lying Does he believe that she is a liar? He must do Because this all sounds like she not only loved making it, but she had loads of control and she's described in detail that She did everything she wanted to do and she wanted to tell a great story and buy gum She got to say what she wanted to say It sounds like the only interference she really had from the studio was that she wanted a longer shooting schedule and they say Yeah, you'll need as much time Not what you have to shoot what you have to write Yeah, I've already noticed in that According to somebody drinker and I know when it comes to making a movie at sony the only time the studio will really Interfer it's not creatively at all. It's just I never said it It's just budget That's it So you'd be trying to think you're more in the story. Maybe maybe but the approach is You're free to do creatively what you want, but it better be within this amount of money. That's all Oh For the notion that if he did say she was actually lying like he had the balls to actually say that which I don't think Yeah, but what I would be like Don't you think it's a bit of a strange lie like the amount of detail she's putting into these lies Like all this stuff about everything she did What to Appreciate herself to sony again Or to say that she's willing to fall on the proverbial sword for a failure of a movie like what What what's the goal here instead of coming out and saying? Yeah, I had all of these ideas and all they were all cut down by sony I wasn't given what I was needed. They wouldn't work with me and that's why madame webb failed It's not my movie. I don't take credit for it It was all on them to do this and I was stifled And yeah, he could have found all this out himself said that because I feel like this This would change his whole perspective if you read all this If he What was it 12 seconds 13 seconds 13? I was gonna say don't don't under exaggerate by saying 12 gary jesus I'm sorry 13 second google search. Yeah, which Takes a lot. That's like that's like one is 16th of a hillhouse review I think you might have been in your word as well more don't under exaggerate Under exaggerate Apple plus good I could not help but see The myriad of evidence that has been laid at all of our feet that this is a studio That is simply retaining the rights to their characters that does not care about the He had plans to launch an entire like franchise out of this This was setting up three superheroes with this movie three setting up a trio like big plans Everyone's claiming that he's a big grown-up boy for not being mean to the film because ultimately people are trying hard to work on them He had no idea that she worked hard on it He thinks that she barely got to work on it at all and the studio ruined it Even though the evidence is as clear as fucking day that you can find it And the fact is you could make the video on madam web saying look at the diopter that they use to create the special effects With the clear voice this is all done in camera. This is really fucking cool. You could have said that But oh well All you're gonna say is that she hadn't there was evidence. There was no way that it was her film no way This definitely has the well god told me kind of you know vibe to it Where it's just this just i'm asserting that this is the case with this movie. No I've not signed out. He's a filmmaker then look for the interviews. That's true. He's a filmmaker. I You know what? I have not made any shitty films. Mahler. It's true. I have not made a single terrible film Let me guess you're an article reader you read articles and then you think you have insight Fucking idiot, you know on on occasion. I've been known to peruse interviews and articles to To tell you nothing what's going on what tells you stuff is making a short film and then just assuming everything By the way, this is the man who's celebrated for his insight. I hate it. It's like what the hell? It's so fair. Yeah, it's research shit Yeah, this it isn't fair. This is actually not fair. There is no god Oh the of this experience they're giving us and I can't help but think who is this for Who wins here? Is it the creatives? That's a weird definitely not I love that he says definitely not when she would have described this you you saw how she described I need to fucking repeat those clips. Oh, yeah Wait, so are we are you repeating certain clips of his? Yeah, so I was like Okay, yeah, I is it the studio the director seemed more eager to talk about the movie than both of the writers were Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, I just had nothing to say compared to her Can I just those that you seem to think you have insight you will act like your knowledge is somehow superior it is He's got none. We got some We are better than chris stuckman In this case on the topic of how much control did the director have of the movie? I have more insight than he does because I read a quote from her. That's more than he's done There you go. You have more of a myriad of evidence And I also saw the movie Oh Well, the thing is he's he said that's where he's got most of his myriad of evidence from I still love him to contextualize that Are you are you suggesting that he didn't see the movie? I I think he did No, he definitely did. It's just that he has nothing to say about it Well, that's one of his reviews. Okay Making a lot of money because they keep doing this over and over again Sometimes it makes sense to make a venom movie. It makes sense to make a spider-man movie Those are characters that are going to generate money no matter what Morbius and madame web Craven the hunter remains to be seen that is not the same level of reward that a studio might Yeah, exactly. I was literally The year that guardians of the galaxy came out is the year that the amazing spider-man 2 came out Guardians made more money than the amazing spider-man 2 made about a hundred million dollars more money And it's a good movie This is just a stupid point if you make a film that's really really really good Even if it's based on obscure characters, you can end up making more money Then the shit film based on the much more popular character This is just like not true. I mean no not even to say that Not to say that he was a fictional character, but like Oppenheimer. We have a recent A biopic movie that's like 17 hours long and it's really good about a guy that people just never really think about in common parlance That's basically dredging up a superhero. No one's ever Yeah, I make a billion dollars Like I understand where the thinking comes from But if it was a really really really good movie madame web It probably would be making more money than it is right now I would probably That it would be make not to say that because the film is good that it necessarily will make money Good films have failed bad films have succeeded, but it it can't hurt to make a good film You know, surely it can't hurt that it looked good at least, you know Well, how did the How did the creative decision come about for a studio to say, you know what? We need to make a sequel to that puss in boots movie Um, that was really no one ever talks about or really probably even really remembers But we're we're gonna make a sequel to that How do we make it stick and have cultural impact and get, you know, make a lot of money and how can we do this? From producing a spider-man or a venom movie. So why are they making them? Is it to retain the rights? Is it to get some kind of financial break? Potentially and in that case they probably don't care that much about each and every one of us You just made an assumption on an assumption on an assumption. You have no idea. Yeah, that's incredible. Yeah Yeah, they probably don't care why because they're probably doing this just to retain rights Why it's like because they probably wouldn't do it with madden webb like a spider-man because she doesn't have as much pull That's great, man. Well, she does have a lot of pull her web connects all That's right. She connects the whole world Who forks over our hard-earned money to sit in a theater on valentine's day when they could have been doing anything else Stop taking her agency away the director Bade her movie Yes, it is you should be stopped christmas sergeant and money Let the woman film the p-scene if they want to chris your stifling creativity So much about the filmmaker experience wait a minute wait, sorry Oh, it'll make sense to retain the rights is it to get some kind of financial break? Potentially and in that case They probably don't care that much about each and every one of us Who forks over our hard-earned money to sit in a theater on valentine's day when they could have been doing anything else? I care So much about the filmmaker experience any man who must say The filmmaker is no truth I The reason that this is here specifically is because i'm fucking annoyed at this point that he said so like i care so much About the film experience the film maker experience. He hasn't looked into what she said about her own film at all He's made so many claims about her position in the film doesn't care about her. He's a liar The phony and yet he will say this line over and over and over again. I care about films I care so much about filmmaking. I can he just keeps saying it over and over again You're about it. He has to constantly remind us It should be apparent in the way that you talk about these things that you care You don't need to keep telling everybody that you care I believe jeremy johns cares a shit ton about it, and i've never heard him say boy. I sure do love movies Again, it's like eyewin said It's like he said anything else I care So much about the filmmaker experience any man who must say i am the filmmaker is no true filmmaker I care So much about the filmmaker experience, and i'm so aware of how crushingly difficult it can be To make a film. Yeah, it was about telling a great story. I felt that we'd said everything we needed to say in the film I care So much about the filmmaker experience A great big phony A phony let's hear A big fat phony I'm real happy with that one Let's take it back before the show was not just i want to know this This is a very scuffed set of editing that i did over two days and uh, i wasn't a colifriguerie. He was like, you know Put in the phony one Audience and i want people like myself who go to these movies to have a good time and to feel like they invested some of their Dude, i had a good time watching madame web. I said this. I had a good time It was funny as fuck. Yes, absolutely worth the price of admission. Oh god. Yes Something that gave something back to them that inspired them in some way or or made them just happy for What were the people that were inspired by madame web? There's probably like one guy out there Oh, yeah, no like for some that guy like madame web will be the defining film of his life. Mm-hmm What about where someone says fucking hell that was so bad i could do better and then they do it You know what this feels like though? I feel like he's trying to work himself into a rage about this Like it's like he's trying to get himself psyched up to have a really passionate rant But i'm not quite feeling it He doesn't have the information to be as pointed as he wants to be because there's so many assumptions What it reminded me of that that review of the you your video that you showed me of his where it was like Wow, what a crazy year. It's been everyone I don't really feel the craziness coming from you chris like Yeah, you know g with guys Do you remember when uh in whiplash where he's like fletcher is getting more and more on board in the finale with uh Like yeah, he's trying to sabotage him and then he's sort of getting into it Do you remember that part where he He has his hand and he like lifts it up and he looks so fucking into it like the passion of This fucking drumming going that is something chris stuck what i don't think has ever experienced that sense of passion that like Yeah, let's fucking talk about this Like maybe yeah before this Because I think people would have less of an issue with him if okay if your premises I'm not going to criticize movies that I hate. I'm just going to praise the films that I really enjoy I mean, okay fine. It's your choice, but like Okay, do that in a way that actually shows us why you're passionate about these films If there's films that really moved you and you think are fantastic really dig down into why they work And show us right in the story. Yeah. Well. Yeah, exactly right show us how much you care And why why you like them you claim to be like such a fan of the art of cinema Demonstrate that because if all you're producing is like five minute videos of you in front of a webcam Just reeling off production information and then given the most milk toast Surface level analysis of the film. What are you demonstrating there? You don't seem like a person who's passionate about filmmaking Yeah He does just allow well look at the effort that goes into the videos This is more effort goes into him getting in his car and driving to the theater and back then goes into making the video Because he just What was it? He said it was something along the lines of you know Our task is critics isn't as hard. We just have to you know turn on the camera for like 30 minutes Or you know, like it only takes us 30 minutes It's like it only takes very revealing about your process. Yeah 30 minutes gives me 30 minutes to just get started Well, the funny thing is nobody knows if he meant 30 minutes spent recording or 30 minutes spent on the entire thing As in 10 minutes recording 10 minutes editing 10 minutes uploading I mean at this point, I'd guess that he doesn't even he doesn't edit his videos That'd be my guess at this point. You can see cuts. Oh, but you mean like edits as in someone else I mean if someone else does it. Yeah, maybe maybe that's not the case. Maybe he does it but Who knows a couple hours And sony and their treatment of these characters seems to be doing the exact opposite Currently in the industry It's the wild west when it comes to spec scripts especially from what I understand A lot of spec scripts are not even being read very rarely in fact Unless you're a very specific kind of movie or a studio is looking for something So particular that you just so happen to be that perfect thing from what I understand the lower budget horror Is still being looked at especially haunted house things or things that are very marketable, but in You know, that's the opposite of wild west. Yeah, you know what things are being looked at things that are very marketable Hmm Oh boy, I just want to make sure everyone stands Incredible insight of this man who's been inside the industry the what stuff they're interested is in stuff that's marketable Hmm. Yeah, it was more of Yeah, he just said it's the wild west, but nobody's reading spec scripts What haunted houses there in I'm not sure the wild west metaphor really would know Yeah, that's I'm a little confused on that one Uh, because there was a time like an artist alley at comic con around 2011 2012 where hollywood producers Were optioning just comic books and throwing out, you know, five or ten thousand dollars Which is a lot to a you know, up and coming artist and and buying properties left and right That was the wild west That was the way it's slowing down a scramble for for stuff because everyone's just excited and they're taking every opportunity that comes their way Like that, uh south park show where it's like, hello Yeah What he's describing feels more like a depression or a slowdown where everyone's waiting to see how the next thing's gonna be It's over all of the time. It's going over They're going back to the cities. They're leaving the frontier because they were looking for gold and now they they're leaving General the industry has no idea what it's doing right now post strikes They have no clue movies are selling for almost 20 million dollars at festivals from first-time filmmakers And other movies that seem like they should be selling really big because of the names that are attached aren't Nobody knows exactly what's happening right now because every I could tell that nobody knows exactly what's happening chris I feel like we've gotten a lot of that from you today, but that's you know There are things you can still find out pretty easily just saying you want to so yep Behold into this algorithm or whatever netflix is telling them Oh, okay. Stop. This is what stop uh People do know what's going on. It's called contraction Old hollywood is dying. There's talks of warner brothers possibly being sold off again It's merged what a couple three times in the last four years paramounts going under So those are two of the oldest studios in hollywood Yeah, yeah, and they're and they're all going to fall apart and and silicon valley runs hollywood now Yes, that algorithm that netflix algorithm rules you now that that is your boss. That is your daddy And uh people saw this coming a long time ago and they just couldn't fight it So they have less money you have a lot less money You had an opportunity over the last three years when there was some creative freedom when people were just throwing shit at the wall And uh, you know what the the writers did they sucked Everything sucked. It's been the worst era of hollywood ever Worse than the fifties worse than arguably the early eighties. I like the early eighties But uh quit and turn tino might argue with me on that It's been the worst era of hollywood ever plus they have competition now. They have real competition, which is you and I Uh, and and themselves a lot of people can now just have this endless library to go back and watch good shit Yeah, so they're kind of fucking done and you know, this is an old model that needs to change and didn't the amount of uh sort of like, you know, old legend directors and industry people that commenting on how bad things are right now too Yeah, you know, it'll change and it'll be around but there's gonna be just new new bosses That's all And and fewer studios fewer studios and and keep in mind that the three entities that will probably rule hollywood two of them Don't even care. They're vanity projects amazon's a mail-in service apple makes phones And if they get tired of that they're out Just so beholden to this algorithm or whatever netflix is telling them People want to see this is creating an almost robotic like dystopian conveyor belt of movies that we are essentially supposed to kneel at the very end of open our mouth Really wide and just consume. Where have you been? I mean, where? You know guys, I just realized it's been a lot of bad movies lately in the studio It's just kind of expect us to accept it. I've just noticed this but I won't make fun of madam web I want to celebrate It's ironic because guys like him are partially responsible for this conveyor belt absolute garbage because they sit there and Landly praise it like yep You sir are one of the biggest and most well, maybe not the most influential but one of the biggest movie critics on youtube And you praise movies that are garbage and you refuse to criticize them And you contribute to their success and you contribute to that conveyor belt that you claim to hate so much And how does the conveyor belt get uh stopped if you're never going to criticize films? Which even in the case of madam web a film which you obviously believe is part of this conveyor belt But you won't dare say anything about why it's bad Well, you see that'll make things worse Hmm Not sure how that works Nope And then ask when do we get the next conveyor belt thing that you have generated for us from your algorithm robotic ai thing Whatever that is because that was really funny because when I watch madam Why not just watch the really good stuff and then praise that and then if something's bad on the first episode or So or you hear bad things you don't have to watch the bad stuff. There's still good stuff being made by creatives Maybe we watched what silo recently the first season of that. That's really neat. I'm excited to see the second season We got stuff like house of the dragon coming out There's all sorts of things out there that are full of you know creative You know decisions that are interesting and cool And if you just want to focus on the bad, yes Yeah, I guess if you want to focus on the bad you can But there's more good stuff that I could ever possibly watch even today And chris you could be helping that if you tried a lot harder Yeah, he celebrated harder There wasn't a single part of me that thought Yeah, and also like by not by by making decisions to say I am not going to criticize madam web You're not doing your part to steer people away from the bad content and towards the good stuff on the conveyor belts So like you literally are part of the problem in this video is part of the the reason why Your algorithm robotic ai thing Whatever that is because when I watched madam web, there wasn't a single part of me that thought a writer Sat down and came up with the idea of the final fight happening underneath a giant neon pepsi coli sign I just don't that's not why it's bad just about clear Yeah, that isn't really good why it's bad. It could have been well it could have been before we make the point Anyway, he's about to uh Undermine his own point. I don't think a writer sat in their apartment in la and thought that's a good idea I'm pretty sure sony said we have to incorporate pepsi in some way and deal with it That's it. That's the only limitation they had is that they had to incorporate pepsi in Does not completely undermine ideas at this point the fault lies with a writer if they said incorporate pepsi And that's what you came up with that was your fault Oh, yeah, I make the bad guy drink pepsi and he has diabetes and explodes Yes, do it. Yes Injected into his veins madam web do it Make him explode. It's just the how do you not said the second bit? We would have said like well, I mean if the studio had said something like involve pepsi You didn't have to crush the bad guy with the pepsi sign. That's and why the p Well, I did say the a lot of creatives are interested in getting that You can see his head through the little loop. Oh, I guess you could do that. Oh, you know what? I thought it was just p for peter parker. I don't know that's what I was thinking No, that's it. No, so you can see his head through the the little hole is probably it dude. Oh my god Think about that. Oh, no That was a creative decision to have the pee fall on him so that you could see his little head He'd have killed by the pee pee If it said the pee falls on him in the script, but that you can see his head through the little hole in the pee It's a strange thing for him to fix to fixate on like because the product placement is like the least of this movie's concerns At this point, I don't like if it happens every once in a while like yeah, sometimes people will drink things And sometimes the logos of those drinks will face me. That just happens when it's conspicuous is like I think more conspicuous would have been funnier at this point with how bad the movie is like if she had said I know hard to beat him, but by god, we can have the great taste of pepsi like along the way It's the choice of a new generation. Yeah, because madame webb's blind as well. She can take the pepsi challenge at the end I'm madame webb and even I can see why kids have I guess remember the skittles from shazam too. Oh Yes unicorns. Oh Yeah Remember the cringles from ghostbusters 2016. Yep. She literally says taste the rainbow. She literally says Skittles are the power of skittles is incredibly plot relevant in shazam too. It saves the day It saves the world. Yeah, dude. There was so much shit last year. That would have been memorable Right that kind of bad would be memorable and it gets lost in in last year God Oh, man, that's one that's one for the record books. Mm-hmm And that's what it's like for a lot of these creatives. I just heard a story today about someone who's working with a massive Entity studio. I won't say what it is Who has hired that person to write a story based off of a very interesting hook He wrote the whole script came back to them and they said, you know what? We don't really like that hook anymore, but we still like your story. Can you make it work without the hook? And this poor writer is trying to there's poor right. Can you say no poor writer and be like, nope He could say no or he could say, you know what? That's an interesting challenge. I'll see what I can do That writer has a studio on the hook who wants to You know turn his idea into a movie. That's a lot more than most writers get Yep A poor writer who was chained to a table being paid two shuckles a day Well, like what if you said, uh, so my movie is a buddy cop But with an alien and a demon and the the alien crashes lands on like a world filled with demons and that They're gonna be going on a buddy cop adventure You write the full script It's really funny really engaging full of great action and then they go Can we can we drop the the alien and the demon thing? Can you is there a way you can make this work with like Because the budget for this is gonna fucking skyrocket if we go do the cg and the makeup and the world changes and stuff And then just go fuck you you've ruined my whole thing It's like just make it a make it a social commentary about like maybe upper-class white people and the way that the police engage With minorities and the inner city and You know No Well in any case my point is if their request destroys your whole movie then yeah, okay back it out Then I guess or yeah, and you actually maintain the spirit and the heart of the whole thing you were making By altering the thing they want you to alter You don't have to make it so the villain was crushed by the pepsi sign. You don't have to do that The writers are wondering why their office why their cubicle is underneath the big pepsi sign Why why is my office here? It's very distracting. You know like don't don't think about it Don't worry about it. The peas looking a little loose up there. Don't worry about it. Don't don't worry about it Also, I believe that in competent hands the villain getting crushed by a pepsi sign could actually be good Yeah, he could be the greedy the greedy ceo of pepsi cola who is ultimately crushed by his greed No, no finds any ideas So like you can have the worst idea ever but you can implement it with incredible skill and still turn it into something Fantastic, it's just comes down to the skill of the writer a lot of people have talked about like they you know that They've written a better movie if they made this like final destination where she can see a bunch of deaths She can't do much about it and you can make it about free will and put some fun You know make it rated r and a bunch of crazy murders and tie it in make it a capitalism is bad analogy that Hollywood loves to do with pepsi falling up. Yeah, there's but also drink pepsi and also drink pepsi There's a million different ways you could have probably made it good like like a fun horror movie But they just made it a porno movie without all the porn Maybe the villain could be dr. Pepper Coke coke would have been the villain make dr. Pepper driven Figure out how in the world They got hired to write a story based off of an idea and are now told to write the exact same story But without the idea That's right. Whatever story you want. Just know it's going to pay you for it They want they want something specific so either do it or don't with how you describe So many reasonable ways it could have happened if your hook was actually like kind of sounded interesting But your story was way better than the hook I I can say yeah as someone who's written novels and screenplays Yeah ideas go through all kinds of evolutions Over time stories change things get added things get taken away. This is just the nature of the business This is how it works. You know what's funny if someone said Here's my hook alien crash lands into like a big old jungle where an operation is happening with a bunch of like army dudes Who are going to be Saving a blah blah and then someone says like that does sound interesting and then you see the complete film And you're like maybe we should lose the spaceship landing part even though that was kind of the hook I I feel like now because i'm of course describing predator A lot of people seem to agree and I do that we don't need that part of the beginning Even though it's obviously there to make people go. Oh Yeah, I mean I would say that in the thing the one thing that I would change about the movie is to not have the opening scene be An alien ship going to earth Agreed even and like I said you could describe both of those scenes as hooks to keep people like oh man I remember that alien scene so when's that gonna happen? That's gonna come up at some point, right? Even though this movie's been much more normal for the next half an hour Point being there are many reasonable ways this could happen. He's described it as like insane He's like wow, how could this possibly have happened? It's like I don't know All kinds except the fact that the writers said that they had this idea before madam web. So So much for your hook And that's exactly the type of situation that so many writers find themselves in and I would not be surprised If a lot of these sony spider-man universe movies have had very similar conversations bouncing around their meetings You mean just different people who are deciding different things at different times Yeah, that'd be crazy if those things happened imagine Hundreds of millions and then wanting to have some input in the movie. That's just so nuts, man Fucking hell It's maddening and it does good for no one So what are my solutions for this? It's the same solution. I've said for a couple years now Just let creatives do whatever they want. That'll always work That's the best interest we can be sure because I've started to make more discussion based videos about the industry And how we can communicate with them and get better films And start to enjoy the theater by criticizing them chris and not just hope that a great film I thought according to you chris like pretty much every film is great. You're just a bit still breaking film No, there's a point now with just if you're creative You're fine There is no like good creators and bad creators even though he's already said that certainly implied that there are in this video alone But obviously we know that he thinks that because he's had a whole career talking about that But only recently has decided he's not allowed to say that anymore One comes out of your hand. Also, uh, since uh, since you mentioned it I just want to give a big rest in peace to carl weathers here talking about predator and everything Yeah Rest in peace rp So that we can enjoy that here and it's the same thing I've always said they hear us through our wallets if a movie comes out That is genuinely great. They also hear us through our speech where we shout about how bad they are Yeah A much clunky version of boat with your wallet Hear us through our wallet You know how you can influence the bottom line on movies is by telling people not to go see them because they're bad That's right. Avoiding the bad ones is using your exactly. Yeah If if I do not go to see a movie because it's bad That is similar to going to a good movie and spending money because it is good All right, but how will I know what movies to avoid chris duckman popular ish internet film reviewer man If you do not tell me which ones to avoid you should tell me where the minds are in this field so that I do not step upon them Great, and we happen to see it in the theater. That's fantastic But then buy it to own on digital or buy the blu-ray of it. Let them know like this Is Yeah, don't do it. Yeah, and what if not everyone can afford to buy every movie they think is good on physical All right, that's just a reality and then a lot of people Like chris, you got to address why people buy netflix. Why do they do it? Is it offering something that they can't get out of the places? Maybe You know, it feels like that's a much more complicated discussion than we can value industry by buying the films that you like And what if we like films that are shitty chris? What if I like madame web? What if I buy it to show my family because I think it's so fucking funny Yeah Is more like I want to break up with my girlfriend and getting her A sealed copy of madame web is exactly how I plan on doing that Well, the room became hyper successful from I guarantee you you wouldn't push back on that It's like am I allowed to support that? It's like, yeah, but that wasn't studio into fear. It's like wait So can creatives be criticized? Can they be bad chris? Tell me And that's what we're getting with oppenheimer It's what we're getting with barbie when you see a movie where it's like, okay That creator gretta gurwig took an ip barbie. I made a completely original movie out of it And it became yeah, the studio didn't mess with barbie. It'll definitely you know that because no gretta gurwig The studio was present in the film as karek. No, just to be clear. They were in the movie I You can you can find it online. She's talked about it in interviews the studio basically made her like Justify every aspect of the movie to them, you know, they're like, uh, do we need ken singing a song? And she had to like explain why she thought it was necessary So like they're there putting the pressure on like explain to us why all this is necessary Why all that why we have to spend this extra money on these giant sets for the dance sequence stuff like that So they interfered if you want to call it that, you know, they were there the whole time going like Oh, we need to make sure all of this is necessary and important whether they did a good job Is another thing But they were involved. They didn't just say do whatever you want. Here's a blank check Counterpoint he watched the movie and liked it So the studio didn't ruin it Oh, damn. Okay. Yeah, gotcha Nailed it And the highest gross in some of the year and it's nominated for more and also it made a lot of money Which is also evidence of of something. I'm not sure multiple oscars even though she's Yeah, that means also that the studio didn't touch it Nominated for director They hear that they understand. All right, so IP it they hear that Here justifying all those decisions to them is something that's important when filmmaking and therefore in future They will make sure to do that with other creatives. All right I mean, you didn't even know what we're supporting. He has no idea. You're just like I like barbie Get that movie money Go on Okay, chris ish, but original got it and that's okay Like there's so many openings for filmmakers to take very original ideas into things in an ideal perfect industry The filmmaker studio relationship would be more of an understanding loving relationship But the problem right now is this a business, man This is a business where millions 10 hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake His view is that the loving understanding one is I get to do whatever I want with your money Exactly. Yeah here here. It's it's the trade meme like you offer me 80 million dollars. You receive question mark question mark question mark So many studio executives People who are making the decisions Did not come from a place of creativity Look, we saw what the madame web writer said. Okay. That was that was crazy All right, that was just nonsense. Does he think that lord of the rings had no studio interference at all? Do you think? Just like no, that was just Peter Jackson So we did well new line cinema like what a couple years before that was responsible for making dungeons and dragons, right? So they probably were like holy shit. We got to be careful Well, you know how much does studio interference come down to it has to come out at this date And then the director says I want more time and they say nah Comes out at this date And of course that can vary is the answer to that question of whether that's reasonable or not I mean Uh, wasn't xenomax who was like, uh, you see this with games. They said yo skyrim needs to be out in november 11 2011, you know 11 11 11 So, you know, and then that game had some Uh, well, yeah, that's the thing You know, it's not unreasonable It's not unreasonable for a company to say we would like it done, you know around about this time But when it gets to the level of unreasonableness is something like with modern warfare 3 where we need a new call to duty Yeah, but this is like dlc It's not we can't like and if you want us to turn it into something that's even close to like a full game Well, that's that's all well and good, but it's coming out this year Fucking figure it out like at that point you could start going. Hmm. That's probably not great But I imagine that he wouldn't disagree with the idea that a studio can have a reasonable expectation Of what a film is going to come out or a tv show or a game Like is it studio interference of the studio says we want to have the new season of television out by september? Because that's you know when the new season starts Is that again, I think chris is extrapolating his experiences as an independent filmmaker and thinking That's how it should just be for everyone because he Essentially provided the finance for that movie himself through crowdfunding And he didn't have a studio on top of him He was able to take as long as he wanted over it and he had complete creative freedom presumably And I wonder he just sees like he'll see that and think well This is a great way of making movies because I get to do whatever I want I can take as long as I want and nobody's really here to question me because I'm the one that holds the Purse strings for it. So Every movie should be like this. It's like well in the example because what you're doing isn't a business It's just it's not a vanity project, but it is just something that you were able to make happen yourself That might be a vanity project Especially if it is like if you're if you're using the chris duckman as an example He sort of is in a way kind of in an unfair handicap Where he already has this following of people who are going to like whatever youtube or release is something There needs to be part of that person who understands I'm going to have a lot of people who already are very predisposed to liking the things I do and say in create So I have to take that into account And I can't make that experience that I have as a result of that You know, I can't project that into other people's experiences like I do with Madam wed or something like that who don't have that advantage They were potentially managers or agents or people outside of the creative space in hollywood who worked their way into a place Where they're now telling creatives what to do. Yeah, they're not creatives themselves. You see They are distinctly different and outside of that wonderful circle And besides even if they were in the circle, they would still be like shitty creatives probably He seems to think that a loving understanding relationship means the producers understand that they'd know absolutely nothing about storytelling And they should just let the filmmakers do whatever they want That's how that works, especially, you know, if spielberg is producing and he's a part of a studio He automatically now has become the person who doesn't know anything to leave the creative alone There's so many producers that were filmmakers There's so many of them. Yeah, and this produces the became filmmakers, right? Actors who became directors and I mean you guys covered star trek you guys covered star trek 4, you know Leonard Nimoy directed that so Case for all of them. Well, you said they're directed 5 Wow, we won't talk about that right now. We won't talk about that next month drinker next month Yeah, and they don't have ideas. They just have they don't have ideas. They don't have ideas. They have ideas What even though somehow they have access to these hundreds of millions of dollars yet? They have no ideas. How did this occur? How is this even that one? How is this in some site that one? I'm just gonna say that one infamous producer who kept trying to insert like a giant mechanical spider into every movie and John Peters Yeah, wild wild west. He had ideas That's what killed superman lives He was he was barba stricent's hairdresser And then became a film producer. Even he had ideas chris. Even he had ideas. Yeah, you mean a non creative. That's what that is Everyone's got ideas. Hey being a hairdresser is creative. No non creative I heard the the only creatives that exist. There was a big films. All right What did Barbara that's not the case for all of them, but it is the case for many of them And they don't have ideas. They just have like I just I don't get the angle. Does he seriously think that he can get any Job from like any major studio when he says things like this He says it in a nice way and he's insightful according to everyone else I mean, he's He is a he is a tomato meter approved critic on rotten tomatoes for him. He is tomato tomato He's burning a lot of bridges a lot of bridges with producers being burned here in Him setting anything on fire will be the most exciting thing he's ever done Well, I guess that's what makes this video stand out is that it is exciting in the sense of what are you doing? Like yeah, why do you think? How is this the winning strategy? This is this is very much biting the hand that feeds like I I don't know what he's thinking about. Okay His fans are annoyed the fucking people who he's trying to defend being the creatives feel absolutely condescended to if they have even the remote sense of dignity and Yep, the producers it's just you sit on them completely in their entirety that shows in profession And and he thought he I'm sure he of course he thought he had the creatives back on this one I got you back all the way out of this one. I'm on your side. I'm a creative myself He says I'm your wife How do you do my fellow creatives? Have you heard of she'll be in clings of what the market might want what's selling big what's not selling big Well, we need to go towards this path because that movie sold really big people are looking for this Our netflix algorithm is suggesting that we need to make a movie about kung fu Pirates who also cook Yes, that's right. It's awesome. You mean one What is it we watched pirates and an adventure with scientists. I loved it. Yeah, that's right And they wanted to do more they wanted to do more adventures of pirates in an adventure with crazy bizarre Like you would never think it I love how he says this like it's an inherently stupid idea I love it. It's so it's sorry Businesses providing their customers with things that they want Isn't this one of the most old It's one of the oldest mean templates that we have is taking a film Not telling you what the name is and describing it in an accurate yet amusing way to where it sounds ridiculous And then everyone's like, oh shit. He just described Jurassic park of lord of the rings or something like that That's one of the oldest means that we've got And then there's just the flip side of um this work You remember in is in that that notes from Melanie that one of the things that was kind of bizarre about it was that like Part of the story premise was the idea that this Melanie character was very correct For just dismissing ideas on the basis of the idea itself rather than the execution of the idea It's a really weird attitude to have when it comes to writing because yeah Like if you you could just do it's funny, right the the family guy joking south park of just get the manatees to get A bunch of different ideas and put it in there and it's like there's a joke there But there's also like what happens if you just throw it to a guy here's one thing Here's one thing here's another thing and we're going to put them together and figure out if you can turn that into something That's how a lot of ideas come up is like well. Here's something I like Uh, but then I can just combine it with this other thing that I also like to create something new or I don't know What the book series is called someone will chat or definitely know But it's a book series that is predicated on the premise being a silly idea like that It was a bad idea for a a book and that the author took it on as a challenge to write a good book On the basis of an apparently bad idea Um codex allera is what people are saying. It's just yeah like Well, I don't know that it's funny that this is one piece like this is that character from one piece What it would be like a bunch of people fucking Traveling across the world to drop a rig into a volcano. It's like it's insane stupid Oh, okay, really weird that he chose something that recently did exceptionally well. I just don't really know Also, I'm afraid drink is gonna have to leave us. Oh, okay. Sorry. I was hoping to get through the whole video But I just can't go that extra six hours You're almost our combination of stuckman and madame. Well, I know it's a critical stuckman moment We've almost gotten through the stuckman part. We're almost to the drama part where uh, oh Oh Well, I'll be sure to watch the rest of this tomorrow the drama mongress herself is here Yeah ruined everything all her fault. She ruined film criticism with once we Not again Yes, uh, appreciate you sir. Thank you so much for joining us and I was about to say like you could talk about your channel But I mean who in the eFab always doesn't know who you are right now. I don't know maybe one guy talk to that guy Yeah, I do criticism of movies and stuff. It's on my channel critical drinker. There you go He mainly targets the good video today because creatives are immune to criticism. Okay Yeah, but uh, yeah, thank you for having me on for this. It's been a true pleasure And I will catch up with some of you on open bar tomorrow night. Yes, sir Catch you later, dude. All right. Bye. We will see you later Bye-bye He doesn't even know that her web connection. Thank god, he's gone. I know right Happening and it sounds like a joke, but I'm I'm swear to you. It's not it's not a joke And also it's funny. He says like that sounds like a joke. It's like yeah, it sounds like a pretty old joke It sounds like awesome are From the episode of south park that came out Yeah years ago of just who what about adam sadler? You know with the success of one piece you they would be conversations like to people like pirates to people like kung fu Shit to people like extravagant over the top stuff Like what is it was it the sets the acting was it the writing was it the source material? And they're gonna have all these conversations because yeah, they want to make money They're in the business. They want to make money and like what is chasing trends really? It's like trying to find what people want so they can give it to them Like what's wrong with that exactly? He's like wow how ridiculous Okay Put in positions of power who want to be creative, but aren't creative, but they're stop saying that just just I But we don't say this that's Isn't that a crazy thing to say like surely everybody is creative in some way Surely that would we would have to believe that that's the case That everybody in some way shape or form in some discipline in some way is creative And it's like oh, well they're people who want to be creative, but they're not as as says I chris stuckman You know, isn't that crazy? I'm definitely not comfortable with calling a whole class or profession of people uncreative That seems a little uh Man, there's got to be some right All of them as a whole you know what I mean like that there isn't a creative person in a whole industry for a whole I mean I don't know. No, no, it's just funny that he can ordain that they are not creative He can just ordain that they are incapable. They do not have the capacity for creativity Not even that their ideas are just kind of lame or they're not very good at realizing their creative vision But that they don't that they are incapable of one It's just so funny that you can say that but you say it like this in a really boring Monotone voice and then people don't notice that what you said was really mean because that's fucking That's my Action figure behind me. He's very creative. I've unplugged the controllers from my nintendo 64 I'm afraid of cables Put in a position where they now have to tell creatives what to do And that's why you're seeing a lot of these things that you're seeing in film lately And the hopes are that more dragon Oh, he's the oh he talks about the bad things. Sorry. I thought he was referring to the bad Our filmmakers are able to break through with like an indie film. Look at Nolan. He was able to kind of prove himself He took those steps You know what I mean in the case of a lot of these filmmakers who make their first movie as a giant studio film The studio does not look at that filmmaker as if they are an equal Hmm the fight over skies make some indie film first or like how did they I did cloudy with a chance at meatballs Oh, I like that movie Yeah, it was funny and then the leg Yes, so they got they got a background Oh, but I guess it's funny to say this about sj clocks and since yeah, maybe are you talking about lorda miller 21 jump street, too Oh, yeah, that's right. They did that as well. So they had a big I guess I guess what I'm it's interesting that he's saying this about sj clocks and when she'd been directing for a long time Like for television, sure, but that's that's a portfolio. That's a background. That's a resume Oh, phil a chat saying phil lord did clone high. I loved clone high. That was great I've not seen one high, but I've heard this really cartoon. I think on mtv. Yeah, that's good Chris duckman seems to be saying that the only way to get like respect is to start indie and then do big Like studio movies that like he seems to think that if your first movie is a studio film You can never get the respect You can't you can't even earn the respect Which I just don't with all the movies and stuff. I think it's out of me examples to the contrary There must be I think what he's saying is that they pick these people so that they can control them Um, which maybe there's some amount of truths to the idea of just oh, you made one indie film Here you go. You're on a marvel film You're probably gonna listen to the things that we tell you Compared to someone like Steven Spielberg where you drop into a marvel movie. Yeah, and they're like do this and be like I'm Steven Spielberg. I am not doing that. I'll do whatever I want. A lot of the time They hire these some of these people, you know, like when joss weeden gets brought on for like, uh, Snyder cut or something Presumably they hire a lot of people because they're like, can you fix this? You know how things work We don't have to explain to you like how to get Uh, you know, the right people in the right places to complete it on time. That's what we want Basically a bunch of horrible things like I wanted this length. I want it out by now And I want it to be complete go. Can you do that? And then the it's almost like a contractor. They're like, Oof this house is falling apart Paint job needs to be done. You know, you're missing all the plumbing, but yeah, we could probably imagine the contracts regarding this stuff Or love crafty and monstrosities so like yeah, they They almost want we want to go back to that time where you would hire someone Because you think they can complete the job as opposed to you hire someone and just hope for the best And you don't just hope for the best when you are investing tens or hundreds of millions of dollars in something Or at least that certainly would not be my attitude is to just hope for the best and hope my instincts picked the good ones They look at them as if there's someone they can boss around And tell them what to do because they're paying the bills and what have you done exactly and that's a lot I mean What have you done why does paying the bills not matter at all? I don't understand I want to have a big explosion. I'm gonna get those these people to animate it. It's like are you gonna pay us like pay you No, no, no producers. You're here to make my vision happen That's what you're here for. I'm the I'm the director. That's me. I'm in charge It is a risk to take a director who hasn't proven themselves yet At least in terms of box office success and just let them do whatever they want. It makes total sense to like Have oversight over them and make sure they're not doing anything stupid and to bought you are their boss You can boss them around that's fine. You literally yeah, you literally are their boss. That's correct. Yes A lot of what we're seeing now. So pay for movies that are good Keep paying for movies that are good That's the only way if we disagree on what makes a good movie good and what if good movies have studio interference Well, that's the big conversation is getting into chris stuckman about what makes a movie good or bad But he's not even willing to have that discussion now. So it's almost like well We can't even engage with this part of the conversation Yeah, how am I supposed to fucking support movies that are good? If I want to what if I want to support madame web Seems like you're saying I should yeah, what what if I say madame web is a really good movie prove me wrong chris Well, I'm not gonna bash films. Oh, I win. It's a good movie. We'll watch madame web Yes, don't feel like though madame webs if you went strictly by his word as opposed to his reasoning It's like should I support mad web? He's like, I'm not making a review of that. You're like, oh, so I should right Okay, gotcha. So I shouldn't he's like no no chris doesn't like madame web No, I look people have their opinions on madame web. I don't that's that's me I don't have an opinion on it. I feel not strongly one way or the other Yeah, a lot of the dire a lot of normal people Are only going to see so many movies So it really does matter that you steer them away from bad ones So I was talking to some friends and they're like, oh, we haven't been to a movie since maybe before the pandemic We should go see when I'm like, well, there's nothing good out right now. So maybe just wait a little longer Yeah Don't go see madame web. Yeah For a lot of people Movies are a thing that they watch Occasionally in between a bunch of other activities that they enjoy doing just like with video games You know, not everybody is going to watch every movie Sometimes people can't even afford to see that many movies because going to the theater Especially if you you know, you're like a family going to the theater not cheap Yeah That's a lot of We're seeing now. So pay for movies that are good Keep paying for movies that are good. That's the only way that we can turn the dial Well, shit, he fixed the problem It needs to be summarized this whole video's point is support good movies and we'll we'll make it Do Dang this is this is the kind of insight that I expect from an industry veteran like christopher stuckman Oh guys, thank you so much as always for watching. I really do like making these discussion videos I do think that yeah, I could have fooled me so much What's the thing right? It didn't look like it didn't discuss shit Okay, I learned nothing other than this mall or good things Yes, I had not watched this video because I wanted to wait to watch it for this That was it he just said make good movies That would no support good movies even worse because we don't know what the fuck good movies are good movies How do I identify them chris? You have to tell me what the golden tablets say? Well, it's not madame web rags We know that I know is crazy No, people some okay people subscribe to this secrets jimmy Yes, yes people normally people people have been defending the shit out of him as being an insightful Like one of the best youtube critics that remain because he's so honest He has integrity and now he has insight because he is a film maker unlike you lot Oh, like anyone can shit on a film not everyone can be A filmmaker with no insight. Okay. That takes fucking challenge. I could go I could go buy an iphone and shoot a movie that looks pretty damn good It's just it's really accessible That's the one Yeah, but if you do you can then claim you're a filmmaker. So go go go go go Oh, well, then I'm a filmmaker. I've made a shitty film. Yeah, let's make Gather up some some boys We'll make a Jackass movie just pull like cap into my house with my phone I'm like just hit record and go say go into the market and buy some cheese And then you do and then we walk over there like fall over and then I say the end I'm a filmmaker produced by produced by a 24 That's right chat. I'm the same as stanley cubrick because I've made a shitty film That's right It would just be so funny from that to be like I have a lot of insight From being a filmmaker and I I care about the filmmakers experience And then you show that as you show the film the man who fell over going for cheese It's a working title. Okay. Yeah, I haven't decided what do you mean? You're criticizing a president. Have you ever led the free world? I didn't think so. Exactly. Exactly I won't permit you. Have you ever died in the Amazon while researching spiders? I did. I didn't think so. Learn more about the industry. I have a unique position to be able to discuss ways that we can make it better. Oh, yeah I have unique ways of knowing how to make it better, you see I will use my special filmmaker powers And hopefully in the end do what we all want is to see good movies And have fun watching them and I did have fun watching madam web your system is broken It brought me joy chris. I laughed out loud unironically. I laughed out loud Yes, we were cracking up in the theater. It was echoey because we were the only ones there, but Yeah, and I had a ton of fun making my review. God. I was it was every second of that was joy Triumph People said play it again. Maybe I will because that means slightly late again play it again I will do it Thank you so much as always for watching. I really do like making these discussion videos I do think that as I learn more about the industry I have a unique position to be able to discuss ways that we can make it better I am filmmaker filmmaker Help it In the end In fact in his art out He really was And then a few years later A few years later it becomes a massive me for who knows how but it just did for several years It just it was just that was it Sat there I probably thought yeah that's pretty good An untapped gold vine in the mountain It's because people under the age of like 35 don't watch network television. That's why nobody had seen it Oh What we all want is to see good movies and have fun watching them and there you go guys support good movies And see them and have fun We just want to see good movies and have fun watching them. I mean who could disagree with that Who would ever who would ever be mean to christopher stuckman? He's so likable and reasonable Feel inspired. That's what we all want, right? We want to see good movies So thank you as always for watching guys. Look forward to more videos very soon The poignant insight has changed my life Yes, do good presentation when you're going out this sunday. I'm very excited about it It's definitely not a fun movie But it is an excellent movie called grave of the fireflies if you've never seen it It's a really tough watch, but it's an absolutely monumental achievement that I have been wanting to talk about for many years Guys, thank you so much. Let's always look forward to more videos You can do it anytime you want and if you like this Your videos are 10 minutes and you just sit in front of a webcam He said that he said it takes like half an hour to make his videos and then he says to us Oh, it's been years that I've wanted to talk about this film. What do you mean? What are you talking about? Just do it Why'd you say it like that chris? Why'd you say that like you're being hampered by some studio? What are they doing to you? Are they are they not letting you have your pc and chris? Don't let them do that Stick right here and get stuck manized. Yes He's not the thing By the way, in case you guys wanted to know grave of the fireflies movie review from chris stuckman 10 minutes Oh Look at that probably took him a whole trailer footage in that bad boy too. Oh, that's a bit much But uh, yeah, probably took him like half an hour to make that video. Maybe damn. Yeah From you know, it's funny though time for him to watch the movie Ryan kennel can make three videos in that time. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, but I was gonna see Anyway, just don't look right but Go from this his is I have to talk about this madame web video has 615k views. How much does the grave of the fireflies video have? Oh 20 oh, no, no, come on give chris to first Come on, this is grave of the phase we wanted to talk about this 32 100,000. I'm gonna I'm gonna go with 85,000. Okay Yep I already saw it. So oh never mind. Well, it is 79k That's pretty good. Not bad. Not bad 10 minutes of insight too Well, 10 minutes. Well, I mean, well once you get past the who does the voice acting and who directed it and what studio made it really It's basically we're basically ready to go home Yeah, well, anyway, this that was the video right everyone So you got all the context now that went to the internet and then And it looks like jay blong but might not be here. So she can't own this but um Oh, she is. Oh, thank goodness She uh, she made a huge mistake by expressing an opinion which we can see right here He is so annoying. Oh my god. Lol Well, I'm just like jay lang lang Million views That one got it out Christ Geez, you're gonna be making some you're is it does twitter pay you for that shit? Hey, you're gonna make a hundred dollars I'm gonna get a good solid five dollars. Yo, you can pay for next month's twitter check mark. Yeah What I want to highlight is in that video chris said way more Controversial stupid and insightful boneheaded idiotic things look easily because it was very offensive Then he is annoying Right, but he said it in a monotone voice and so that means he said it without any passion And you said lol, that was your big mistake. Yeah, that was it. You can capitalize god in all time. Yeah Yeah, I've got it exactly. You should have said laugh my ass off. That's the nicer one. Okay. Well, maybe even raffle But uh, lol Next you'll put a smiley face No, no, she meant no, that's like the emoji of the guy with his hands up going Ooh, that's not lol Oh, yeah, that guy's whooping. He's like, he's so annoying. Yeah, he's people. Yeah I hate when people rag on chris for not shitting on something because he has stepped into the ring and actually made a feature film He's actually made a movie knows how hard it is and now clowns on the internet have turned because he isn't just saying He's actually made a movie knows how hard it is I you know a lot of people don't have to make films to realize that it's hard A lot of people don't have to actually do the thing that they're talking about to know that it's hard Yeah, um because we have brains and we can Decisive Now I know it's hard. Oh, that's funny. I knew it was hard before Oh, and also Also, you could actually do the thing and your experience might not be the typical experience that's associated with that thing Exactly. So it's not unreasonable that even if you've done the thing you walk away with a more inaccurate understanding of what the typical Experience is than someone who's imagining it That's entirely possible. And then the other thing to add on to it is yes making movies is hard Some people manage to make good movies despite how difficult it is Interesting. This is what we call talent We have seen in both like video form interview form just audio whatever of stories about how God, I was writing this script for like 10 years or parts of the script had to be completely moved around on the fly because of how difficult it was to implement some of the ideas Redrafting all that stuff and it's like, all right, so you don't know anything beyond that Do you it's like well, I also know from just behind the scenes of how difficult like costuming can be all the materials and the Shear volume and then getting things right and wrong making it so that the person can actually move that it's accurate to a particular request also all the concept art like the fucking reams of concept art the fun thing about like video games A lot of the time is that you would unlock concept art and you'd be like, whoa, this art's fucking amazing And it's just concept art Imagine the amount of fucking time they've spent on this shit And then you just look at all the the vid ox for halo were mentioned earlier But like a lot of games of a certain era would come with I remember god of war You would unlock all of the behind the scenes stuff once you finish the game It was amazing where I talk about how they work seven days a week for like five months And you know, it's it's the pure, you know Even if you don't know much about films if someone said yeah, so, you know They'll work in six days a week 12 hours a day on the shoot 12 14 16 hours a day You're just like, oh, wow, that sounds like a lot of hard work. You don't need to be there to understand that that's hard work Yeah, and then uh, I remember just all the different like audio commentaries that I'd listen to and they talk about how There was a there was a creature in uh, buffy season six where Uh, they say like this is so fucking awkward to shoot because it melted halfway through the scene And so you had to have it attacking someone But the actor it's attacking had to hold it in the shot to make it look like it was attacking him And so the camera should stay above his arms So you can't see that happening and just like solving problems like that is like that's just funny and interesting And how much of a nightmare that would be Um, I think the you know, they shoot porno's very awkward nightmare on elm street the the blood waterfall It was like one Attempt and that's all they had they couldn't reset they didn't have the money all the time And I think it even broke but that they got the shot like it's the kind of shit We're just like god this sounds like a nightmare And it is a nightmare the guy we mentioned on a past beef out It was when they were doing halloween. I think oh no Friday the 13th Um a guy when they were filming him getting hit in the eye with like the arrow head or whatever that He could he went blind for like a half a year or something Like the you know arguably that's not a difficult thing. That's just a horror of of productions Like yeah, I was aware of all this and I assume all you guys were from a very young age I never I've never found a shocking that this is hard. Imagine working on the set of Batgirl Yeah, you know, oh, yeah, you're either gonna be dead or maimed Yes And so this this whole like, you know, you he's so annoying. It's like, oh people are mad at chris because he's not shitting on the film It's like he did shit on the film a lot If I mean he and also like there's more to criticizing a movie obviously than just saying that the movie's bad Like I think we need to stop instantly making this connection between that's all it is just saying the movie's bad That all criticism is supposed to be the same alternative I found him annoying because he was trying so hard to pretend that he wasn't basically criticizing the film In his own way. Well, so there's a great iron. He is like this movie is so bad. I won't even reference directly Is that bad? The great iron is that he used to he used to make videos chris where he would be like this line of dialogue plays clip Is very bad because of this reason then talks about it in the video We just saw he went about as far as just saying Madam web bad Didn't give us any reasons why that is kind of yeah And so then high top the genius comes in and says you just mad at him because he hasn't said movie bad It's like that's the only thing he fucking said about madam web We're mad because we want him to fucking have some integrity a backbone talk about what's wrong with the film Is there a mean like I don't even know that did you even watch his video high top probably not Right not He's one of the only critics on youtube who manages to have an informed meaningful opinion on something without being mean for clicks It was not informed. He was definitively wrong on several claims He's not meaningful just because he's a filmmaker doesn't automatically mean everything he has to say is better than everyone else I mean they wouldn't give the I mean they wouldn't say this about the people who made lady ballers and stuff like that I'm just saying this they wouldn't do You don't know how hard it was for daily wire to make that movie We get it you're also trying to break into the film industry and will also go out of your way to not criticize Hollywood people you might want to work with Our god our king he's there. Oh look at smiling face A critic who isn't willing again It's like you should you should don't want to brothers Do you think that you're gonna like do you think that you're gonna get to make like a dc film ever? Do you think that's on the cards? I'm sure it is. He will personally Bring his own red and blue lights That's true. They'll be so impressed by the red and blue lights that they'll just they have no choice To let him direct a new batman movie. Oh, jeez Yeah, but curiosity do you agree or disagree with this statement from elden guy? A critic who isn't willing to hurt feelings isn't a real critic Um, I agree Willing doesn't mean you're going out of your way. Yeah. Yeah. That's yeah, I agree. Yeah I I agree if you are not willing to have a critic who isn't worried about hurting feelings I don't know about willing I'm even okay with someone being worried about it, but that they still do it as in like I'm not I don't want someone to feel awful, but I've got to say what I've got to say, you know that sort of aspect Yeah And could have gone out of his way to say look this movie is really bad We don't know if it was the studio or the writers. We don't know who to blame But we can just assess it for what it is. It's really bad. He could make sure people aren't Blaming the writers because they don't necessarily know if the studio interfered, you know, he could take that tack if he wanted to Mm-hmm to hurt feelings isn't a real critic hard disagree My guy if people don't like your movie your feelings are already hurt If people don't like your movie your feelings already hurt now that is a self report Jesus Oh So uh ryan johnson is famously said he wants people to dislike his films So yes, and and we don't even have to go to people who aren't you know in this call Like we are all creatives in our own way It is fine our e-fap isn't for everyone my videos and mollusk videos and everyone here who makes videos They're they're not for everyone and and they don't I'm not gonna my feelings aren't gonna be hurt if someone says You know, I tune into e-fap wasn't my thing and I didn't like it. My feelings won't be hurt. I'm not eight I'll make it I'll get I'll get through the next day Um, but interesting how the the guy said willing and then look what high top says next No need for film criticism itself to be harmful and mean This is coming from a guy who made spiteful videos in the past But then tried making movies who said anything about spiteful mean and harmful Yeah, and just because you made spiteful videos doesn't mean that anybody who's ever been negative had a spite driven motivation I mean, what do we think we're gonna do like docks the fucking director in our video? Again, this is our fucking address This is where he lives And then he does the exact same thing as chris where it's like graffiti on their walls Pat pat our heads like oh, I used to be like you but then I grew up and it's like It's not the fuck up. That's pretty funny And it's just so funny that I tried making movies that I realized how hard it was Why do people not understand that it was hard before they started making films? I don't get it. How do you not understand? I don't know how to like I don't know how to build a skyscraper But my guess would be that it's pretty difficult And that's like well, there are some things that might I'm not a michelin star chef I can't cook a michelin star meal, but I can look at it go You know what there's probably a lot that went into that that I can't do that's really difficult Doesn't make the meal good. You know, you still the meal Doesn't make it my default. Yeah Lots of things are difficult, but that doesn't change the fact that people have expectations of Functionality and quality making video games is hard But if you release a video game that's unplayable or that breaks your pc You know, what are you gonna say to someone like oh, well, it was really hard. Oh, you worked really hard You still deliver this bug filled game Surely worked hard on golem Oh, what is this? Saying that a director or actor did a bad job is going to hurt some feelings If you're incapable of saying those things you shouldn't be a critic. Yep True. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. This is I I said that sj. Clarkson shouldn't be Allowed within a hundred yards of a camera for the rest of your life and I stand by it Truly how every professional reviewer should be then how come you're not adopting the style brown table, huh? Yeah Yeah, interesting. Hmm If you truly believe this, yeah start doing what he does. No more negativity. None. Only It's just funny how every professional reviewer should say nothing Oh, yeah, literally literally every professional reviewer should not cover things that are bad or negative If it's bad if it comes like guys, I I think somewhere along the way some of you people lost the fucking plot All right. These are not like gifts given to us for the human culture or whatever. These are products I have to pay movie tickets to go see. I'm taking time out of my life. I'm going to a theater I am going to a place. I'd rather not be I buying a ticket. I'm exchanging money for watching this film It is a product. All right This isn't a gift that I'm just supposed to accept and smile at this We have a the movie studios and myself. We have a what was called a transactional relationship. All right We also talk about how like mean and spiteful Chris is towards film studios Like in yeah, they're not people. They're not human. It's very negative. No capacity for creativity That's what I mean. How many of the 43,000 people who like this watch the video Well, and even if they did they probably No offense to them, but I don't even know that they know that that's a harsh thing to say I think they'd be like, well, yeah, but the studios they're reptiles. Yeah, that's right Yes studios and producers are not people and they have no capacity for creativity. That's true This video is incredibly negative just not at artists All right, it's trying to be positive and I guess that fooled all of these simpletons Hey, I think I think it is just as simple as if you say it in a tone of voice that people don't register as being harsh You can get away with saying a lot. You really can Um compared to if you just, you know, it'd be like if someone can say calmly This incredibly scathing takedown of someone's character But someone can say fuck and they'll be like, oh, wow. Oh, wow. Calm down. Oh, jeez You said a swear word. That's oh gee It doesn't seem to just be the way that it works with like communication for some reason It's that coupled with like weasley words. He uses a lot. We're like, I'm not saying this A people are saying, you know, all this sort of dancing around it Making it as passive-aggressive as possible Yep, there's PPL I wonder if there is this connection that has been made maybe Subconsciously in this this this sort of collective way It's a little difficult for me to kind of put into words, but maybe maybe you'll pick it up as I go Right a lot of these people the high tops is the brown table the stuckman's For I mean cosmonauts all the people that we cover right typically they have been Eating this stuff up giving it a pass for years are the more marvel slop all the this all the that Given passes to these sorts of things and so I wonder if that in a way has bled into them having a kind of incidental developed culture of reacting negatively to those Who react negatively to these terrible movies and it's created this almost divisive split In that in this online these online groups of cultures as I wonder if this is just sort of the next step of that happening We're now they're just being open and saying but with brown table Use the word literally like this is what we should be a film critic You shouldn't criticize a film critic and a film critic should not have negative criticism for these things for the movies It all needs to be positive In the same way that they were always positive way overly positive for the years of prep that they've been You know given by disney in particular who's had such a big dominance in the industry They definitely have drawn a line and the they've thrown all of us in the same section pretty much of like You're all the there's one in here about how gary among others has destroyed film criticism, which I find so funny That's why we invited them on so we need to go gary. Yes. Yeah, thanks gary Sorry Look at you looking into interviews reading articles taking people for their word taking creatives for what they say about their work What's wrong with you? I don't know. I'm not celebrating enough Not to not to keep talking about how great old school bungee was but there's so many instances where the developers were talking about how You know like nobody nobody cares You know We can't just got like everybody's expecting it to be this good We have to make it this good because everybody's expecting it and good enough isn't good enough and all of these kinds of Um attitudes that are conducive to working really hard and trying to deliver the best thing possible Rather than like well, we tried really hard Rather than like well No, everybody here is working really hard to like meet the standard and expectation that people have Just seems like a better attitude to have Rather than like whenever anybody has anything negative to say it's just like leave me alone It's like well, I don't know man Like when you when you create stuff and throw it out there to the world like people are going to have a perspective on it They will you just got to get over it This is literally they have something to say that's actually, you know accurate That it's like worth taking on board Lee how every professional reviewer should be Ppl that are approved reviewers on rotten tomatoes should have this vibe Imo goes double for stuckman as he's further involved in the filmmaking process Also, everyone knows madame web is bad. Let's have one video on the internet talking about it differently It's no big deal. He just agreed that we shouldn't bash the film just like chris and then he bashes the film Also You want you want to turn you want to turn internet reviews into a cabal circle jerk Then the first sentence people that are approved reviewers on rotten tomatoes should have this vibe in my opinion Just be positive. Just don't review things that uh, if you if you watch something and it's negative You know, maybe don't post that review to rotten tomatoes Maybe just don't tell people that the movie was terrible that the plot didn't make sense That the themes are disgusting that the characters are retarded Don't no don't say any of this stuff. Just keep your mouth shut Right, we're trying to be positive here And that means that people who go on to rotten tomatoes to decide what they're going to watch on valentine's day alone Or on a weekend or anything else like that. It's going to be nothing But oh every movie is apparently great because all the critics are only leaving positive reviews on all these movies They must all be incredible. Good job brown table. I'll save there again It's just funny every the conclusion of the video is it's the studio's film Not the creators don't shit on the studio's film Like, you know what I mean? If you don't believe that they're accountable for the film then who cares if you shit on it You're shitting on the work of the apparently non creative people, right? So it's chill, but it's like you said more the more fundamental thing is He says that the film is bad Like he says it right there The most funny too is that he thinks that the issue is we don't like that chris isn't calling it bad When he did several times nobody saw this fucking video. Did they? No, no, they didn't It's like it's no big deal that he has a video that talks about madame web in a different way It's like what are you? Now you've gone to a point where you think jay long bones mad that he talked about stuff different That's it As some people haven't seen the whole video, which is fine instead of solely criticizing madame web He you just said That everyone knows madame web is bad Let's have one video talking about it differently. Then you said if you haven't seen the video instead of solely criticizing madame web It's pretty funny. This doesn't make any fucking sense Expands and criticizes sony the company and the industry as a whole like how when marvel vfx and yes like everyone does Why are you talking about this? Like it's some new thing. This is another thing. I can't stand this narrative All of us talk about the studios all the time. Why are we pretending like that's something people don't do It's the same when it comes to video games. Everybody shits on fucking ea. That's not like a new thing Everybody shits on ea and activision. Oh, yeah, and they catch unfair flak Well, yeah, because then it became the new thing of oh, maybe bio web just made some bad decisions on this video game Maybe rocksteady made some bad decisions on this video game. You know, like maybe Maybe it wasn't the studios fault Exclusively, maybe it wasn't even the studios fault principally. I need to print the publisher in certain cases It's up looking whack instead of critiquing the artists who critique the studio about both Like that's a first off That's not a great example because we have a lot of examples and testimonies of how the workers were literally just not given the time To do their jobs. Yeah Well, so yeah, there's a thing how about both dot dot dot based on context When we know who it doesn't change the facts That you people still shit on the end product people still shit on the visual effects that end up on the screen Hasn't he made videos like talking about how like marvel visual effects suck Yeah, but he would he he may very well say like it's only sucking because of the fact that they haven't been given the time They need which may very well be true. I'm just trying to point out Is that then why didn't course just do the video where he said, yeah, madame web is shit And here's all the reasons why studios fault bye Why do you need to do that Well according to brown table he did he said he didn't solely criticize mavin Why have he expands and criticize the companies and the industry as a whole and it's like, okay Like I said these three tweets have different opinions. Did he yeah, yes While clearly I don't think there's anything inherently negative or mean about telling people your honest opinion of a movie Why do we have to get on chris case here? He's explaining exactly why he doesn't want to do it. He did do it We got to respect his decision. He literally did do it. He's being a snake Whether he even knows it or not is I'm not sure he doesn't strike me as a bright land But he's doing the thing. I'm sorry that you are so simple-minded that it escaped you It literally must be like you're living in a different world than the rest of us This explains ryan johnson fans How about we don't oh wait That was that was a good edit. I forgot it was in there. Okay, let's the last thing Why do we have to get on chris case here? He's explaining exactly why he doesn't want to do it We got to respect his decision. How about we don't I'll say it's also definitely different If you are telling people specifically that you don't believe a certain movie is worth their time or money A night at the movies isn't something the average person does once a week. So I think those opinions are valuable Why wouldn't it be worth my time or money? Why would I say you know what fellowship of the ring? That's worth your time and money to go see in the theater Is madame web worth your uh, well, I mean, I I wouldn't say that it's worth your time or your money, you know In in chris's video who wants to have it be where he didn't tell anybody madame web Shit, and you shouldn't watch it but the whole point of the video is it's shit I am not going to tell you how bad and terrible this movie is and and then end on well Yeah, go spend money on the films that you like which everything that I've said in my video would heavily indicate that madame web is not that film These are the videos that this guy makes fucking loser Oh What is I stand by the king thumbnail. Oh my god, the symmetry the symmetry Tatu is perfect 21k likes of him just saying fuck this guy Echo they don't like uh rachel zeigler's retarded comments They don't like the woman king one of the worst movies I've seen in the last couple years. Fuck that movie Why doesn't she like these movies? Unbelieve fucking loot. This person's a fucking loser based off of them not liking Well, you said he was annoying. You said he was annoying. Tomatoes step too far He called him annoying annoying not really although. I think it's fairly easy to give credit to filmmakers efforts and the hurdles They have to jump while remain to be fair He's one of the more reasonable ones in critical the social media landscape seems to favor negativity So it breeds a lot of mindless movie bashing I do think it's important for us to keep filmmakers efforts in mind when reviewing even the worst films I do think refraining from saying a bad movie is bad while still implying it is for the thank god Somebody's gotten there, you know, he's like he did imply it's bad It's like thank you the sake of the filmmakers feelings or your career prospects is a bit cowardly Or a smart business decision on his part. Who knows? I'm just a dumb huge put a question mark there because it was not smart Shitting on producers is not smart if you want to work in hollywood. No Far move they're gonna pick up because they have brains From the industry. This is a layered discussion not suitable for twitter. Anyway, if uh, I mean you can be you can You can be not retarded on twitter He is possible It's possible To trolls were like chris and actually learned how hard it is to make a movie instead of just crying about them from your mom's basement You two would make videos like this boring. It's so boring boring Is what this is All right, you're a loser Mom's basement. How boring is that? How boring are you? Like is this the best you can do? Isn't we make fun of movie? Yes, the reason we make fun of movie bomb for the parents basement thing is because he admitted it He is in a basement apartment like when he stacks up his cans by the window Then he gets he tweets about frustrations that a gust of wind knocks them over Opening the window is the closest thing he gets to going outside man. Give us kind of some slack Suppose the irony here is that it's always about the context of those things because you could live in a basement in its Chell you could live with the parents in its Chell more so just I like those Over in Australia like I I kind of have a really favorable view of basements because they're so novel to me nobody has basements Nobody has basements in Australia Yeah, we don't know in texas either, but uh Joe Russo just insulted every nerd Whether it's intentional or not. That's what he did. It's the same old fucking tired argument By the way, go go to his website a lot of people confuse him as one of the Russo brothers Maybe that's why you get traction on fucking twitter. He's not and you go see the three films He made and go see what he looks like So true. I need to change my last name to nerd erotic. There you go drags me erotic He didn't even it's no argument. It's just the it's what hightop did. It's what chris did It's like if only you knew you're not you're not grown up enough if only you knew it's like I already knew Yeah, what good took you guys so long Why did you have to make a film to know that it was difficult to make a film when it's obvious Yeah, difficult to make a film like don't know that we should know that You know, it doesn't excuse your shitty work No, it's fucking difficult going to work and making money and then paying money for your fucking shitty film. That's difficult too Well, yeah, it does feel like a matter of perspective, doesn't it? You know, it's hard working in fast food working in retail Yeah, that's fucking those people get paid a lot less money and when they screw up, they lose their jobs Meanwhile Rolled out of their fucking art school that their parents fucking paid for it don't have any concept of work It worked hard. I was like three hours. My god. I couldn't look at my phone. Fuck off I will say a prayer for all of the lost souls who descend into the make believe minds to make pretend How could you I couldn't I will well the bed upon this is he does clap back gary. You ready because I got it Shut up btch. Oh, I'm You'll like you'll like the edit gary you specifically believe minds to make pretend shut up btch Imagine being this guy this blame the writer thing is bonkers Detrules have jobs with bosses are those bosses infallible. Why are we blaming creative? Nobody said the bosses were infallible. You're making this shit up Yes, look at this man. Look at look at the picture Look at the photograph Writer look all that the guy said was imagine being this guy it's a question Yeah It's just it's encouraging you to engage in a little bit of You know imagine to feel speculation, you know, it's the american dream You can be a shitty writer and make like multiple movies and make money off it Why are we blaming creatives and not executive meddling? One because we don't have any evidence of executive meddling and two because he's never written anything good ever I told you earlier this guy's got terrible luck every time every time this guy every time matt sizama writes a banger film Those pesky studios. They just have to get involved and get their fingers into his Golden story this man. They're holding us back from the modern day. Tolkien is what they're doing. Yes, they are I would have loved to see what morbius was And they keep hiring him keeps agreeing to do it even though they bastardize his vision every time He's like, yeah, I'll keep them in back. He's just you know, what 95 percent of Studio writers quit before their first creative endeavor is successful. Yeah Tips and not executive meddling. I've read matt's writing on two of these. It's good and not what's on screen He keeps working because he's great. Listen matt sizama is not gonna fuck you. Okay No matter how much you say Yeah, it doesn't mean that every writer is gonna be great two of the writers of madame webb worked on another film in the sony universe Yeah, that's right. Did you watch the video pal? Obviously this clip highlights the notice in his defense of chris. He's disagreed with him. Chris has made fun of matt sizama's writing morbius So Criticized called morbius chris stugman hate is so fascinating because he's literally just some chill guy who likes movies And there's a lot of that That's why that's why everyone's mad Because nobody understands anything that chris has said he's just said it in a nice way That's right. Don't actually be nice way possible It really is like it is like a way that you can just get away with saying a lot more things If you just say it in a flat or nice tone of voice. It's incredible. It's stunning. It's fascinating It does fascinate me that that's the way that it works Unassailable, yeah, chris stugman hate is so fascinating because he's literally just some chill guy who likes movies Says a lot about how much people just want to go for the quick angry and loud responses Now that when a critic is breaking down a movie with nuance Trying to explain how hard it is to make something new on studio Interference. It's so annoying. Every critic should be like him. No No And none of you none of you are gonna change your operation to match his none of you He just said it sucks in far harsher away than he realizes this shit is so bad. I can't cover it So true No What's annoying is the fact that youtubers like the quartering nerdrotic and g plus g have ruined film criticism so much They forgot what a real critic looks like Yeah, chris stugman, okay I don't even Say the coring doesn't review movies chris stugman is the only mature pants for your crimes. You've destroyed well Look at you I don't know how you call chris stugman video mature at all. It's so childish It's like it's been sure to a nine-year-old He expects movie studios to be charities for artists. That's what he expects from that. Yeah It's like a make-a-wish foundation for a filmmaker it is it is Oh my god, you should be like him gary You know no and and nobody should be like me or you we should all have our own voice and do this thing called tell the truth The reason moller is here and j everybody is here It's because of people like stugman and the corporate critics who went out there and they were bullshitting us for all this time We just said shit. Well, I can I could go out there and I'll try something different I'll just tell people how I feel well, and we never thought that we would have a significant leg up on them by googling the creators of the fucking films But we do no, I mean like simp. Yeah, it's not like we're uh, it's not rocket science here folks It's seriously you you can just be like more informed by reading a wikipedia article You can you can just read a wikipedia article and then know more about people Who present themselves as authorities on a lot of subjects. It's incredible for madam web I I I did sit through two hours of interviews But it was fun. It was funny for one it was whole and I find it entertaining But yeah, I sat through two hours of clips of interviews before I even started what's funny is um When I did the research and like development portion of the script for the tfa series I I think I made my requirement I can't remember now because it was so long ago But I think it was between 10 and 20 interviews per actor and crew member as in like a writer or director And in that case, I guess would have been like two is it laurence casden and jj brims I think but in any case uh people of significance behind the film Um, the amount of shit I found was insane. You guys have seen lots of it Um, but there's still loads to come like of funny things that I found It's all in the script waiting to be seen because it's all out there It's just like what was being discussed earlier about the good doctor Nobody knew about the other funny clips Because nobody watched the show and they started sharing them on twitter because some people were like I'm gonna go through this show and find them and my god. There were some funny moments from that show Well beyond that one major clip But yes loads of come to come loads loads loads loads to come. That's what I mean loads of come to come Okay My two cents. This is what happens when film critics experience how difficult filmmaking is At least that's a slightly different bit of wording. They experience it instead of just knowing it Yes, which is a difference. There's there is a difference. Yeah Between what I like basically could safely say I know to be true Uh, and I suppose actually having that confirmed doubly so by doing it in much the same way that somebody can understand that animation is difficult in that drawing Several pictures that are going to be playing out every second And then you balloon that out of course over the course of an entire film You can understand that as difficult Uh before being forced to sit down and actually do it for yourself and then see how long it takes and how difficult it can be Well, and then you want to pose the question, uh, we have two people with the same budget same interference from the studio Same film to make same script to work from they're both the director They both go one of them produces absolute shit and one of them produces something amazing So are they both the same quality of director? Or is one better than the other? I mean one of them has succeeded because that's it's so funny how like, you know, the whole conversation ignores Okay, maybe these are your circumstances But what are you gonna do? Are you gonna constantly complain about the circumstances? Or are you gonna try and solve the problem? Are you gonna try and do the best that you can in the circumstances? That you find yourself in like you can't just you can't just ask for the universe itself to bend To your will to create a circumstance that you would prefer. This is everything I need and all the time to do it and make it easy as well Film critics experience how difficult filmmaking is I'm not gonna bash on the filmmakers and actors personally for how madame webb turned out twitter omg k s k s k s k He's so annoying stfu like w t f i don't get it loudly crying loudly crying loudly crying He didn't say shit wrong w t f loudly guarantee this person has barely any clue who chris is all the video is He crying loudly crying loudly crying. He's actually trying to be respectful to the filmmaker while being critical of he was not He didn't care anything. No experience He demonstrated an astounding lack of respect for the director And he believed that she had no autonomy Yeah, Peter is a helpless victim who had no input or say whatsoever in the film She says Like in total with all those clips. I think even more in the article. I didn't include but That everything that she had done in her life led to the moment of making this film the she remember she described it as a Leap she said it gave me the foundation from which to leap does that sound like the kind of wedding You use for something that you didn't have control over in any way and I don't get ashamed of She said that she wanted to get a timeless quality to the film to avoid people Knowing exactly when it took place, right? Like like she worked with the sets and the props to make sure that we wouldn't be able to nail down an exact day in time That's something that she intended something she had control over Uh, oh, yeah, there was a quote as she said, um The you know, you know a mum the the madam webs mum. I forget if she had even had a name Uh, she's the heart of the movie and without her and without his story You don't fully understand who madam web is that's something she said And then she was so proud to have the actress available to do it because she was like amazing Um, she obviously talked about the the stuffing camera the clairvoyance all that shit Well, and I remember I vaguely recall the the where dakota johnson said, oh, I put so much faith in her You know that that she was making the right decisions Why didn't she say I put so much faith in abby arid if he was involved in producing the film Yeah, what is the editing the the how she had to do the repeated scenes the She actually said at one point as well that um, she took a lot of inspiration, right? She wanted to include a lot in this film And she had like a list of films that she mentioned for all of the influences She complimented um working in boston as well or like, um There was there was like a boston shooting. Yeah making boston is beautiful. She tried to Make the place look like boston, right? Like you have to film it to look like that and she said that difficult but a reality You know like not she wasn't saying it like oh, it was fucking miserable to have to do all that And then the fact that she said it was a she she said she tried she was going to tell a great story And the everything she felt she needed to say was in the film. This is all her experience He said he cares about the experience of the filmmaker. She didn't look into it at all Either she is lying or chris is wrong I think you'd have to admit he's wrong That's not a question that he would ever address. I I don't think she's lying I maybe there are aspects of downplaying possible negative experiences as you do when you're promoting a film But I don't get the impression that there is like zero percent of her on this film Or even that there's only 25 percent I get the impression that there's more of her on this film than there is of a lot of marvel directors You know doing mcu films have on on their films I get the same impression. Yeah And there's a thing this this is not respect Uh, it is more respectful to say you tried really hard and you failed Yep Or that's how every like mentor student, you know story kind of starts We have the the harsh mentor who tells the student what they need to hear in order to improve Yeah, you have Yoda bonking uh luke on the head and just being like no, you know, that was lj There is no try He bonked him once in uh in empire, didn't he? Oh, I meant I hate the ghost bonk. It's just that's all I'm saying. Oh, sure But but he bonked his head in empire didn't he at least once Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. You know what made me think of was um, pie may in Bill bill who rebunks her on the on the head as well Yeah, oh, yeah Environment it was made it this is far more valuable. This is what actual office. Look, I lie Which is what it was actual analysis. Okay. Well, I can't Like I said, I I don't like using the word likes there's so much uh intent tied to it But like saying it's really valuable to be told something about the creator. That's not true I just you know, it's like what's fucking value in that analysis looks like not the clickbait reactionary stuff That permeates youtube. I have not watched this video yet And I can already tell you that this man has a more sincere and informed This is what they all are doing I don't fucking watched it the 99 percent of this website jump in on the feeding frenzy Yeah, because at this point it's video, but I will suck this man's At this point, it's christmas is the bad reviewers all the evil reviewers are going after chris Stop them Including myself my film should be coming out next year It's submitted to various festivals and we've been able to finally complete our adr Which is great passion and so we are just about done with it I mean, there's just like random little color corrections and things that we might have Oh, see the person said that he's very passionate filmmaker And I just like this clip was like I don't I'm not feeling the passion about you guys just here and there But it's like 99.9 percent done now. It's like a movie. It's real And I can't wait to share it with you guys passion and passion what that journey will be like And as always I'll be here with you passion sharing that journey It's been fun to be able to share these moments with you to talk about movies with you as always for so many years now and I'm looking forward to another year of doing that this man has a This is reminding me of um in the simpsons. You remember like what was it? It was subliminal liminal and super liminal Uh I don't I can't tell if I what if I think that's liminal subliminal or super liminal Just wearing a shirt that says I love films basically I can't I can't quite me the the music band I like music band Yeah And informed passion for film the 99 percent of this website including myself Scrape something together Maybe he was he was waiting for the uh, he was waiting for the uh, I guess to get his next order on uber eats to deliver So he was uh, that's now wait a minute mad. No No Makes me feel great that i'm not him Thing wrong Something I've noticed is that people get mad when you explain how studio meddling can impact a movie show instead It's just mindlessly shitting on a crew's work. They don't want not true. Like how this person thinks he explained it He didn't explain anything. Oh, he didn't And everyone else talks about it all the fucking time I don't understand like all the videos we make has mention of the studios at some point or another Who are you talking to? Also, he's not talking about how it can Like impact a movie. He's saying it absolutely did even though he has no evidence Yeah, I have a little bit of evidence to the contrary actually I have no idea, but it did happen, but I Happened, but boy, it definitely happened. That's almost exactly what he said It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah It is what I mean It admitted several times that he didn't know and then proceeded to make very definitive and bold statements on what did happen Either people didn't watch the video or they did watch the video and they didn't listen to a fucking word He is third monitor content at best I mean like I'm kind of like if we're watch. Oh, yeah, I think eFap is the only way that he gets to become second monitor content Engage in critical thinking they want to be entertained by the facade of it So fucking ironic coming from the people who didn't even know what the director thinks of her own work And they're claiming to defend her, you know, so fucking funny. You guys don't do critical thinking. We do Shut up Yeah, okay, you got it. Also. Yeah, of course the whole like, um People get mad that it's the studio that's fucking it up It's like, yeah, because there's no evidence ever of any writer being an inept retard such as critical thinking They want to be entertained by the facade of it Yeah, that's definitely a case of me just not knowing what to do with the script and thinking oh crap We're in the second act what it was They don't want to actually engage in critical thinking they want to be entertained by the facade of it This is Jeff. He's a screenwriter um He's writing it as he goes along. Is it huh? Yeah? Oh my gosh, what do I mean? And they didn't even they don't know about these clips We're the ones that go check all the fucking behind the scenes bonus features and shit to find out how the film was made And then we highlight this shit. We go look at the writer claiming. He has no idea what to do They were the fucking he hadn't even come up with it a third act by the time they were filming the second The other guy's right there as he goes along. He's like, hey have some respect. They're creatives. Okay Yeah, how about no Yeah, you can't create things that are bad. It's it's literally not possible y'all to comprehend that he's trying to be respectful to the Oh, I get it Yeah, I know filmmakers because he is now a filmmaker himself and making movies even under a big studio is very hard What's so hard to understand? There's enough grown men making eight hour podcasts about why superhero movie is bad Not everyone wants to watch a hate circle Chris is right. This is hashtag AVGN in 2016 all over again You're all missing the point. Chris Stuckman is all about love and positivity. So die Oh Well, you shouldn't have called them annoying I will kill you in the name of love Oh It's so fucking fun It's priceless honestly, but I will say the robot sometimes delivers lines in possibly the perfect way And uh 16 all over again. You're all missing the point. Chris Stuckman is all about love and positivity. So die your Yeah, these are the lol end it all you radiate the most obese greasy aura I've ever witnessed Kill yourself scum. I want to stick my finger in your eye and feel your iris What what could be said about that like it's just like damn dude I get that like people stuck when I throw up in arms People do the thing of being angry about fucking anything and they'll go over the top It's just like she said he was annoying annoying It's so you just like what kill yourself because you said he's annoying Okay You don't understand how hard it is to make his videos You understood how hard it is So he could review it the inability to comment is the comment He might as well say it rather than point at the elephant and scream him not going to talk about the elephant in the room Eat shit douche nozzle That just uh look at all that media is a bunch of images And like yeah, I'm not opening that shit. I don't know what still that is. Oh, I get this This section is his comment section now So I figure that's a good break if Gary you need to you need to eject. Yeah, sorry. I need to eject. It's all right You can obviously catch up on this whenever you're able because I think you'll find this part particularly fucking interesting This is like I said is underneath his video. This is his fans Oh, yeah, I'll watch it. I'll definitely watch it. But um, thank you so much for joining us. It's been Hey, thanks for having me on it's been a lot of fun Take care chat I Thanks for ruining film criticism. I know What a bad bad bad man Happening nothing wrong with calling it out from the outside. Oh, yeah So that that comment is just there's gonna be a lot of true happening in this section Looking in I think chris won't trash a bad film in hopes that if his film is bad, he'd be given some grace That's good observation At this point I can tell that you don't want to criticize movies because you don't want to burn bridges with any studios Directors in the future Video as an example of him doing that he's just too dumb to know it in a sense He had to pick between studio director with this one, you know, right? Like who's to blame and he was like, well studio We'll go with studio. No, uh, remember how he mentioned that um a 24 He said you mentioned them like a positive light. So maybe he's like hey 24, you know Which by the way much more reasonable that they would pick him up than sony would Yeah, that's that's more of a possibility. But yeah, sony and really any major studio at all. I would I would be surprised It's bs because as far as I'm concerned This hasn't stopped quintin tarantino from bashing the lights out of movies. I think that the casting was done Well, uh, woody harrelson and juliet, uh, hallowes would you again? No, I didn't like the casting woody harrelson at all Actually at the time. All right, actually since then, uh, we've even been feuding about this is a quintin tarantino's controversial thoughts on natural born killers He's famously not a fan of it. I'm not feuding but he doesn't like me and I don't because he knows I don't like him Uh, but actually since then he's actually been pretty good in some movies. I've thought in ed tv He was really funny But uh, other than that though, I wouldn't cast him in that at all when I'm like watching the long fight In atomic blonde. I'm like, yeah, my god. This is fucking amazing. This is fucking amazing Okay, wait a minute now the shots the shot took a shit The shot's not going on this long. They took a shit Okay, and then we go into the 70s, but then we go into the 80s And that's why you came up with politically incorrect because that was the first this is basically the 80s part two What we're living through right now. Well, I'll just take one more go at it There's gonna be a new golden age Please be there and part of it. Were you a big? By the way, I kind of agree with that sentiment. It's like, please make more movies. I like your one. Yeah The idea that like the way we do for a golden age is like and he's retiring. You're like, please Hitchcock guy, I'm pretty sure once upon a time in Hollywood is a 70 movie Well, they ruined it Yeah Not a hitch cost us some more go at it. There's gonna be a new golden age Wait, what was that? Please be there and part of it. Were you a big Hitchcock guy? I'm not a Hitchcock fan. Really? Yeah, I think he's held back by the haze code. I think he was really Truly held back by the haze code I went to the theaters once to see it and then the scene that I'm gonna say was so bad That I had to leave the funny stuff is still by the way The point of this would be you'd just be so funny for stuckman to be like a quentin Can you you please focus on the studios? They had the problem The movie is my stuff, but the thing is Uh, uh, I had position top position on screenplay and I would have got lots of money because that's where you get all the big royalties and all that stuff For fear anybody would think I wrote that crap I said take my name off the screenplay. All right, I'll get story by because I came up with the name Ain't that fucking nuts considering everything we've been over He asked it It sacrifices a shit ton of money to get his name off a product He doesn't want people to think that he had a part to do with the writing Interesting interesting indeed I gave up money for integrity because I just didn't want anyone to think I wrote that If you don't critique the movie then how will they ever learn? Don't you have an entire series called hilaro city where you essentially laugh at bad movies? It's okay to call something bad bad I don't gaf how much tea's so sad for the maker who got paid a fortune and works for a billion dollar studio Criticism isn't a personal attack How to say madame web sucks without saying madame web sucks. Remember when sonic the hedgehog's trailer released the design was horrendous Intense criticism followed caused the creators to rethink some things design was changed Now the films are far more appreciated and appealing criticism is needed causes people to change sometimes for the better I started a new business faced criticism for my running of said business at the beginning of its formation I listened was humble and took the criticism It's now more successful than I imagined films like many things need to be criticized Helps them become better if the creative team and studios behind him are humble enough to accept it I have to talk about this proceeds to not talk about this So my take away from this is if this was a good movie He would be praising it But because he is making excuses to stay away from saying it's bad, then he must have thought it was really bad I wonder if when he gets a bad meal at a restaurant He says well my steak was poorly cooked and the waitress was very unattentive, but they worked really hard So I forgive them. Oh, no, it wouldn't be that it would be that he would eat it And then when they ask how was the meal he would just get up and leave It would be well No, that would be it would be that would be sort of be smart to get up and leave He would instead say something along the lines of well, you know, not every steak can get I mean It's like going to a restaurant having bad service like terrible fucking service and then tipping them anyway Yeah, well and I'm targeting the um the the parent company like of the whatever thing you're in like it's like this all day I'm sure your manager It's not your fault. You couldn't do anything about it. Your your your service was not a home run But I understand I was I was constantly needing refills and you didn't bring me my silverware And you you didn't get out our appetizers in time and I had to ask you three times for the Salad that should have arrived before everything else, but you know what? Um, uh boy, what uh, I should was like in an interview full bat, you know, hey Chris You recently uh dined at you know, whatever restaurant. How was it? He says well, I don't want to bash them It's like, oh, so it was awful And he's like I just thought about him I don't understand the strange need to defend the writers and directors and somehow blaming the studio for things being bad The team of writers the director are those that fail now The studio is partially the blame too because they okayed it But the people on team have either no history of good results of their work or a consecutive flops Yeah, he even mentioned this but doesn't feel the need to say that it's an important element He's like, it's the studio sony. It's not indicative of anything that the writers have only made bad flop This just feels like someone worried they're gonna burn bridges if they say a film is bad as a director and not a critic It's honestly these comments are like really life-affirming Videos sucked so much and this is like, oh If you believe that chris stuckman is not going to say things are bad because he's worried about burning bridges Then a part of you has to be wondering does he is he gonna say that things are better than they actually are? Because he wants to build bridges because both of these are the exact same sides of the you know the coin here At what point do you say I can't trust this person? He's he's given in he's been to the knee. He's kissing the ring It's also extremely difficult to bake a cake But I don't go around studios asking atm to make one if I don't know how to make a good one There's a difference Everybody who was involved would have been paid at least six figures probably seven Can we now conclude especially with the high level the likes of all these Comments he is at the very least Incredibly poorly communicated his points Yes, he would have to concede that everyone is pointing out the thing that he thinks that he's trying not to point out I mean look at look at this like again, and that's a 1.5k likes between bashing creators and criticizing art I cooked eggs once so now I can't tell you if a restaurant is any good As you can tell I thought it was good because I already had 16 likes and I was like Food critic Chris I have to say this man are Oh Angry joe with 2.6k likes as well after being a follower and subscriber of yours for as long as I can remember Never feel bad about or straight out refuse to criticize something harshly when that piece of media deserves it The second you do that you are no longer a reviewer and that's not bashing madame web That's telling it like it is and you need to continue to do that to maintain credibility People will question if you are being kind to something else for other reasons besides the merits of the media If you refuse to criticize harshly when warranted madame web is a bait and switch It's a waste of money It's a blatant cash in from untalented hacks with some of the most shockingly bad writing in any superhero film to date People need to know that I feel that because you are a filmmaker You act as if you can't do certain things anymore or can now do your job as effectively anymore Which should nt at all be the case you can do both still chris Who are you worried about offending so much? This video was so much soft trending when it's not warranted you talked about everything else But this steaming pile of crap when we want to know what you thought of it that why we clicked That's why we watch your videos never forget that for every shitty writer continuing to do movies like these There are 1000s of other writers and directors like yourself who are trying to make ends meet who are far more talented getting passed over This is something that chris didn't even imagine as a point which is correct. There are people who will accept these jobs knowing For you know lack of a better term They just give up in terms of like way in pushing in in terms of getting creative stuff or they're not even creative They're there for the business side the fact they can make money I can write a shit thing like morbius and i'll eventually get mad at web And i'll just write that too quote unquote and i'll keep getting ready. There's someone next to me like man I really care about writing you don't seem to even Like recognize what you're doing, but no we don't entertain that because he's a creative okay and creative to be descended That's right. There's this element of by allowing these shitty movies to exist They're taking up space that could be reserved for other people Yeah You owe it to your audience to review something harshly when it deserves it not tiptoe around it or sidestep it And just because you bash a film doesn't mean you are bashing the person or people who made it Sometimes it's warranted so all those involved can do better or step out of the way so that others can take their place Don't be afraid to say what needs to be said chris. We want to be stucmanized That's pretty funny, but I imagine that when you've got like angry joe coming along with a pretty lengthy comment Like criticizing this video that my guess is that there's gonna be some kind of response or follow-up This is too too bad of a reaction, you know He did not give chris stucman's video a bad ass seal of approval. No, he didn't and he demanded to be stucmanized The crazy thing I guess that is the 10k sub loss. I was like damn. This is really taking a chunk out of chris chris we want to be stucmanized Get stucmanized. This was sad to watch I guess I won't ever come back to the channel of a movie critic who won't actually criticize a movie fans Why don't you use spider-man in your movies sony? Why make trillions when we could make Billions haha, I just read your description. I see you're earning a cut from people seeking mental help Nice It's comforting to know that when someone is at their lowest that there's a really nice youtuber to come in and take a cut Damn, and that's not even regarding better health controversies. That's just an else. Yeah, that's just the referral link sort of thing Thank to many here something should not be free of criticism because someone worked hard on it That can be said for nearly any movie I think you can just say it for all movies For almost all things many things in life Building a building is hard, but you expect it to remain upright and not collapse on your head You you know cooking can be difficult, but you don't expect to get salmonella Like there's a lot of figs that you just it's hard But there was a purpose that it has to serve Like a functionality a base level of functionality that it has to meet 16 minutes of I don't want to criticize that because maybe I want to work with them someday I missed the old stuckman with the sense of humor back when he was a critic. So oh my god This is that's it for the his youtube section now We're into the I went and had a look at what he used to do because I've been told by everybody That they used to like a lot of his stuff and I will say when I was checking it out. I was like good god. He is He like used to seem to care somewhat and here's a compilation of such things I don't think it fucking works The script is fucking dumb. That's fucking why it takes a book and he's like His backgrounds used to be so much better they used to have a lot of character This looks like a real place to me. Yeah The other one is just like staged and fake The blue light. Yeah, look at my blue lights Look, look, it's a it's a mandalorian. That's I sure do love mandalora. This is batman and robin Not only posters but action figures. There's laurikroth tomb raider That's true I love it the happening poster. Yes Go to and uh and iron man and hulk and and toon link Zoe completely missed cast. Oh, yeah, look at this. Look at all of these wonderful things Look at all this stuff. It looks so much real He was rags is distracted by looking at his stuff. You're missing the compilation rags You fuck It's fucking dumb. That's fucking why it takes a book and he's like Zoe completely missed cast You can't see a damn fucking thing Oh my god, I know What's happened? Who is this man Sucked out of this man. Oh my god, and it's just fucking weird. I didn't like it. It was uncomfortable I fucking hated it. I really really really didn't like this movie And I expected it to be at least kind of not good, but holy fucking shit. It's so boring So they meet up with john legwell. I ruin every movie. I'm in zamo Hey Assemblance of a narrative it really just comes down to the unintentionally hilarious motion capture work And how horrific everyone looks zem night Shyamalan a genius Or a hack you see the major issue with George Clooney's portrayal as Batman Which could have been in the writing or his direction as well instructing the cinematographer Okay, now slowly dolly in on the butt fucking dog Reacting in this movie is so so bad and I am a fan of hers I mean she is just downright awful in this movie the way John Gevolta's dressed the hairpiece choices His acting The you see this is his transitionary period. He's starting to this draining out of him now It's like it's still there. Yeah, I see the background. Yeah, we've got the blue idea. We got the n64 We got the snes. We've got the statue. Yes, casual. Are you fucking idiot? Oh, is it? Yeah? Yeah, get out of here. What's the you ruined film discussion? No, that's the nbs. All right Nice Plot and the fact that limbo this get fucking directed it. It's just it's a novelty item this movie This movie is pre-packaged and gift wrapped for the Hilariosities segment The casting choices are odd James Corden and rebel wilson seem extremely out of place and the comedy that they're going for was so Terribly unfunny that I just I locked up. Do you know what I mean? It was like, yeah, it's a B movie You know, you're supposed to be entertained by it. It's like a a movie where it's like, yeah We're cheesy. We're being that way on purpose. That's that's what I'm well. That's right Yes, cheesy B movie because that's what everyone's going to think when they see it This is where I fully checked out from Fred Durst as a filmmaker. I haven't seen a moment in film that on the nose in years The director having a character in the movie specifically like Vogelize that he loves the director's band I've never seen a moment. So in your face is that oh my god. Wait a second. I don't care anymore What were my problems with this movie again? I forgot about everything. I love this movie I'm not gonna criticize the music. I'm also not going to raise this film for its music because for the most part This movie didn't invent any of this. I really don't have anything else to say cats gets in half. This is a short review I know but there is nothing redeeming about this movie. I found it hilarious in all of the wrong ways Insanely boring the story's not a lot everybody worked on it. There is nothing to redeem Yeah, the motion capture is expensive and it takes a lot of work and effort and think about the design And yeah, that's how it used to be a normal human though. You see it. It's all there And he's not a human anymore. He's just like a he's more he's more vegetable than animal Listen, I hated the cg the music was fine, but it's taken from something else This is just an embarrassing movie that never should have been made and I honestly In baffle that it was today he'd be like, I'm not gonna talk about cats Oftentimes the first decision or the first idea that you have when you're writing or in the case of an actor performing Is probably the worst idea Usually when you're crafting say a screenplay and it's your first draft Usually the first idea is good enough to get you from page to page And craft a good first draft that you can then go back and rewrite and rewrite and rewrite And usually you come up with second third. He's giving advice to creatives He's being critical Of the creative process third fourth and fifth ideas that are way better than that first one Because probably the first one was the most obvious In the case of travolta's performance in this movie and the way he's directed It's always the most obvious first choice Exactly what you would think he'd do with a character such as moose So x-men origins. This was an attempt at a big franchise. I think it failed on every level possible directing style cg Acting script. Yes. I mean when a studio makes a film And that film has specific points that reference and make fun of this one deadpool Yeah When another student let us just make a movie and make fun of the last thing we tried to do like that's just It baffles me that this film and the wolverine have the same imdb score It says something about our culture and the blind love for bad things and the blind love for bad things Now we're onto this is going to be the final section, but the okay all I would ask of chris is does he disavow all of what he said in those clips That's an interesting question. You would write it on a resume. He'd be like, I disavow anything I said before 2022 or whatever It is curious that not only do we have him saying that he will never do what he's done before again And that also people saying this is exactly how a critic should act and this is good going forward He's left up all of his most clicked and influential videos that criticize creatives Should he not take them down? Would he continue to benefit financially from something that he condemns in the future? I think that they can be fun. They can be interesting They can be helpful and they can be an exploration of expression And I don't think they should be taken down and I think that he has completely lost his way I think chris duckman has been assassinated by the new chris duckman a cowardly chris duckman Here they go. That's a title. We can go home now I go home Anyway Final section. This is something we should have covered fucking ages ago. I don't know why it took so long This is something that happened and you'll have I feel like I shouldn't give any context to be honest with you. We should just let this play out But the rag isn't back yet and he's gonna want to know the full context for this I suppose we'll just have to talk for a moment But that was quite a journey wouldn't you say because this is like an additional this is this is like a You know, this is like the after credit scene so to speak It was quite a journey. What have you learned cap? What have you learned? um I have learned That uh the way to make it as a filmmaker Is to shit all over the studios you want to finance your movies That's a good strategy They really like it when you do that and it's a great way of ensuring that in the future You'll just get unlimited money to do whatever you want Is that it? Is that all the insight we have today? Is all you can summon sorrow man That wasn't let's ask the other members of our fine panel. What did you guys learn? What did I learn from that video? Oh Oh, well, I I didn't learn it, but I suppose it reinforced it Uh, just say it in a nice tone of voice and you can get away with a lot You should have said that in a nice tone of voice I could have did I say that and I don't know the idea that I probably should have said it in a nice tone of voice But yeah, we just like happily talking about something just like I had, you know, crazy talk about it He's just like the most destructive force for you know, film criticism Yeah, we'll probably just you know, just talk about some other stuff as well. I'm just like, oh, what was that? And you're like nothing nothing at all I don't actually think that by the way you learn Jay long bone, did you learn not to be annoying or not to call people annoying? I should say Yeah, I also learned how to not be a mammy, which is something someone called me because of that fucking tweet. Oh jesus Yeah, it was a bunch of shit, but yeah, I would uh Say ditto to what fringy said, uh, but also to add on to it. I I learned that I feel very sorry Did you um were you a fan of chris duckman before or you just like like what's your your point of view on him? Yeah, I mean I subscribe to him and I like some of his stuff back during that. Yeah, the golden era some spirit and then he started to get like worse and worse and more withdrawn I guess And like you just he's one of those people that you're subscribed to him because you just forgot to unsubscribe You just you still keep finding his videos and your feed Uh for some reason you just don't know why you're still hanging on to him, but Yeah, yeah, I just I kind of pity him because it's just like it takes a lot To beat down your spirit this much. I don't know what it is Now like I'm not being you know passive aggressive or anything. I'm genuinely worried Yeah, um because a lot of people are saying that the reason he's ended up the way that he has is because he works So hard on films, you know like so why did that kill his spirit? Mm-hmm Anyway, hey rex that would Hello, hi Like you think that would boost his uh his happiness about films Oh he goes again. Oh, there he goes Well, yeah, uh the Because like we've got a few chapters in e-faps history now on chris duckman And if he does make a response video depending on how interesting it is We might end up covering him again because I'm curious if he would respond to all of this in Some attempt at being coherent because he needs to do so much more work And if he was to try and go as far as saying something like, you know, I don't have the time to work So I'm working on my major projects. It's like, well, then maybe stop making like crazy claims a bit a bit reckless um Yeah, since I have no idea When the rags may or may not return. I suppose we will just carry on also someone mentioned What before we do, um, have any of you seen his video about leaving the jojoba's witness? Uh, oh, yeah, isn't the one where he said he was pansexual or something Uh, I don't remember that part specifically, but honestly, it's probably the best video he's ever made He's not talking about a movie. He's just talking about his experience Growing up as a jojoba's witness. Um, it's a really interesting video on ironically probably the best thing he's ever made So I would recommend that I've heard some people say could it him being uh A part of a jojoba's witness explained the lack of emotion. I was just like but he wasn't lacking emotion once upon a time Yeah, he seemed like he was like an actual I mean like we mean about it, but he did seem quite human You know, like he felt like an actual person He felt like he had emotions and he had things to share and opinions and he wanted to let the world know that I I he didn't say I love movies He implied that he loved movies in the way that he talked about movies And he had a passion for criticizing things and talking about stuff and I like this and I hate that and Some of the joke kind of hit and he was expressive and emotive and he moved his hands He moved physically his hands around he would gesticulate Well, I never watched him and also it was mentioned that we may have covered this before but I mean I don't remember that we did did we do you does this seem familiar to you rags, uh rlm and stuckman Oh, they they had his uh, they were talking about like well, wait, don't say it if you know what it is because Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, I do. I do think that I have to all right. Yeah The important part of this is most of the angle that a lot of people have highlighted who he wants to work with But the one angle that I didn't see many people highlighting, but I still think has merit is uh If he can discourage everyone from criticizing filmmakers then when he releases his film He might be able to set a uh easier time for himself instead of dealing with everyone saying nah your shit brrr I think well, I think there's probably some truth to that. I think a lot of Well make content they can have a certain vibe to them that sort of staves off criticism How has he dealt with quote-unquote criticism before? Let us let us see and this episode of review and this episode of review. Who are you gonna call? That's right the ghostbusters What is going on guys? How are you doing? Uh, normally I don't like to make cell phone videos, but I thought why the hell not? Facebook who cares? This is something I was not gonna address or even really worry about but at the same time I care about my fans I want to make sure you guys know how I feel Because you guys really are the best when I say it in the videos. I mean it. You're the best Um, that being said people like to overblow things which is common on the internet. It happens quite often As a lot of you know today. We're talking about the ghostbusters the 1984 comedy film Starring bill Murray dead acorid hell ramison ernie hudson rich a couple weeks ago red letter media my favorite youtube channel Favorite youtube channel have liked them for What 10 years was it oh seven when they started so like nine years? Oh, wait, maybe I don't know what you're a youtuber But you're not an asshole youtuber. Oh Fuck love them love their videos Love love love their videos always have you can ask my friends We'll say things in the plinket voice all the time queen oma doll and the bro would have gone as we do it all the time It's the best As you can tell I'm building up something. What did they do to him because he's quite broken right now They've done they've done something to him to make him say all of this and the clips of our lab What I'm building up in the background. They're heading toward making a statement on him and and obviously it's had an effect So it's soon to discover what that is. I love their videos favorite youtube channel ever Uh, I've donated money to their website multiple times I bought their film space cop watched it enjoyed it You're a liar They didn't even they didn't even enjoy it. Um, but you're not an asshole youtuber. Oh, fuck I got confused. Yeah, never got to talk to him though and the first time that I ever got mentioned in one of their videos was jokingly harmlessly Being referred to as a prick. I saw a red curtain. I thought we were that one prick What's his name? There's so many pricks. I can't remember his fucking they rich evans was talking about uh Uh, oh the prick the prick with the red background You know that one prick and then they Mike was like, no, you're not one of those asshole youtubers Uh, which prick is that and then they had like a picture of uh of me and jeremy johns my friend And it was like one of these pricks and then that was their intro And um, they took like a photo of me that has a blue background and and use photoshop to make the background red To sort of make the the joke punch more to make it hit more, you know When you are a huge fan of somebody like that and that's the first time you ever get mentioned After supporting them for so many years For me, there was just a moment where I was like, oh Okay, I mean if that's how they feel about me then Okay, that's fine and It doesn't sound fine or do anything about it. No, I did remove them from my channel box though And it was sort of an impulse decision I I mean I don't I don't know. I don't know if I want to like I Yeah, I've okay Like all right, like it clearly bugged you and I guess that's fine. You know to be bugged by that I get called a prick by people who like me all the time Yeah, I was like, I mean I think the um, the key is whenever red light medium make fun of you, uh, you should be excited Yeah They usually do silly shit and fun shit You should never assume that they hate you for that clip especially where they're just like, who's that one prick? And then they throw three people on screen and you're just like, uh You do this to me and it wasn't something I did in anger but I think most people in my position when you go out of your way to promote someone um Without ever being asked and you're just doing it because you love their content Yeah, that's what promotion typically is they ever seem to notice you is that Even though it is a small joke Part of me was kind of like, I guess I don't really want to promote them because If that's how they feel about me because as I said, I've never actually gotten the chance to talk to them or meet them Then I guess they probably don't even want to be promoted by me So I took him out of my channel box impulse decision They're back there now in my box because I message them on twitter because I realized they follow me on twitter and I was like, oh, well, maybe Okay, well, I'll send him a private message. I bet you knew that and I did and I was like, we're good, right? Like this is clearly a joke And they replied almost instantly like dude No one here thinks you're a prick Like we're fine, man. It was it was a joke and and we weren't even really talking about you We just kind of threw that photo in there Because you're a big youtuber And I was like, I figured that Almost because you wonder why did you make this video if Yeah It's just I don't know. It's just a vibe. All right I don't think he deals with people being mean very well Which is not unreasonable in terms of a human trait But you can move past that and get over it with just a bit of, you know, introspection and Moving on in life and accepting that. Yep. Everyone can be a prick I mean, he must receive all kinds of horrible things from all kinds of comment sections because He's a popular youtuber. That's just like part of the course Um Admittedly you'd be like, yeah, but this is from someone he cares about and it's like, okay But it was clearly for fun. Like they just they called him a prick. It's like, I don't know why this is detrimental. It wasn't even they weren't even doing an impression of him I think it's not even clear that he was the one they're even talking about Yeah, because rich sounded way more lively than chris does Maybe yeah, maybe he was referencing old chris Exactly. It's all good We're all friends here. You know, we're all adults. We talked for a bit on twitter privately and that was it No one's upset. No one's angry. No one. I don't believe you mad. Everything's good. We're all adults here. Like I said Why did you make It's just look all right I'm I'm I'm my my thumb is hovering over the x button right now. Okay It's hovering over that x button. You press x with your thumb uh What do you press the face buttons of a controller with any other finger? Oh, I was I was pc game I was no, you're I was I was just in pc game mode. I was thinking I was thinking it's so weird Press the a button then like the the circle button or the x button with your I'm so I'm up. I'm a pc gamer. I don't think about controllers. Everything. So I was like I just thought it was so strange that it was the eddy s and then You totally play pc game controller though as well. Yes, I have it was just been so long ago that when you say press x I think like the keyboard the letter x That was like, oh my god The only issue is that I forgot to put them back in my channel box. This is Who the fuck cares man? Yeah, that's the point he's trying to argue. He's not upset, but he's very upset It's very easy to remove somebody from your channel box. You just click an x Yeah, but it's because you I I like how it's like it's easy. Yeah, but you chose to do it Because you were mad and it's okay kind of Well, yeah, this is this is supposed to illustrate I think this informs his perspective on the whole like we should stop being mean to people who make films Right because on the one time that he got called a prick in a joke by rlm. It really bugged him This this hurt him a bit. Yeah Again, if you're not you're never gonna you cannot convince the world to not be critical That's just not like that is That's like an impossible task. I don't even know what that looks like Where you could just convince people en masse to just be chill Whenever they decide to drive to the theater spend however much it costs to buy a ticket, you know Sit there for a couple hours Because over here you can be paying 20 bucks Yeah, maybe And and then sit there and watch a film and then walk out of it and just go like Kind of didn't like that movie. You're like, I don't I don't know How you can ever expect to embark on the journey of convincing people to not have gut reactions to the things that they see ever Um, you just have to accept that if you're going to create stuff, you're going to get criticized Sometimes it's going to be fair. Sometimes it's going to be bullshit But if you can't deal with criticism You are going to struggle if you want to do any creative enterprise And it sucks because he used to like have a semblance of it, right? Like recognizing individual skill sets and tasks and industries within the production of a movie and being able to Stretch out his like praise and criticism to differing levels and then respect the fact that time was taken But that a project was bad that was created overall that people Pay for and they shouldn't have to they shouldn't have to pay for something that's Dreck essentially, but like he's he's lost all of that and I have to imagine You know, there's no definitive proof and I'm not a psychologist, but the fact that he takes Criticism so badly and then he sees the filmmaking is difficult and he's like fuck I don't want to have to deal with like a torrent of people saying You're a pathetic, you know, whiny idiot who thought he could do it But can't all this sort of mean stuff is like I think I think I should use my position as a force for good and advocate that we should stop Uh anything other than film celebration But I mean I just what does that look like you wouldn't what what is the world that you can create where You will have convinced the majority of people when they walk out of a film to Never think something negative about it when they walk out of the thing is he could have advocated He could have advocated that we stop being unnecessarily cruel. That would have been pretty straightforward Yeah, he teaches us clear to direct our criticism, maybe mm-hmm But instead he said I won't review it because I don't want to bash a movie Well when you're if you if your dream comes true and you do get put in charge of making big movies and writing them and directing them You better you better. You better be really good at doing that because even even in the unnecessarily cruel video He should probably recognize like there's times where it can be really entertaining or it can be as part of an art project in and of itself There's a lot of things in the world like satirist satiristic Productions that are based on trying to make fun of another thing. Yeah His apparent love of filmmaking it never comes through in his videos now It's the most boring dull flat-shotted look trailer footage kind of stuff. You can come up with You you'd have to he would have to tell you over and over and wear t-shirts that explicitly stated and insist over and over No, no, I really do love films. That's why that doesn't show up in my videos in any way how I shoot like Cinematic fit them when both of the times that we've covered him the second time he was on great video He actually did something that was like interesting and clever Where when he responded to his old video he shot it Like but he bought a jacket to match the old one that he had he found the tree He acted like he was a time traveler responding to his past self Like if I've get more I get more filmmaking vibes from that then I've really ever seen from chris stuckman I mean to be phased the passion used to be there, but like even in production. He never really implemented any Um of what he learned in filmmaking into his youtube videos, which he could have It's an impulse thing where I thought to myself. Well, if that's really how they feel about me Then I I guess I don't really have to promote them anymore But I wasn't going to say anything about it I can't speak for the the person in the video that they were clearly making fun of because it isn't the first time They've made fun of that person either And like I said, he is my friend. So what is it meant to be that they're making fun of either germany johns or armad skeptic I don't know what conclusion he's reaching but the condition he should have reached was just they just sounded a bit of fun It wasn't me. Yeah, it was a fun joke. Yeah, it's just a little joke. Just a little joke joke It was kind of like But like I said We talked about it like red letter media and I actually got to talk about it Fine. No one's mad. No one's angry. Nobody's angry. People are overblowing things as usual Um, he's mad to be honest or you to be called a prick by red letter media in a video is kind of a compliment Is it? No, but um, how is it? You didn't treat it like it was a compliment. No, you go very upset. So that's Because I mean it's a real off Who who else would you want to call you a prick just some random asshole? I mean, evidently you didn't because you removed them from like your channel You told us the story chris. So the story and the reasoning I don't understand like what Why were I promoting somebody who told me a prick, but I mean really it's a compliment Oh my goodness fucking plinket, of course still my favorite youtube channel honestly, thank goodness It was just like this weird thing where I was like does this not feel like someone uh nudges you into a wall Who was your best friend in in primary or elementary school? And then you you like cry and then you come up to them later and say you're still my best friend, but I just thought you should know that I just wanted to make sure you knew when you push past me you hit you hit me and When you think you were best friends you did hit me, but the ultimate is kind of funny But we're still best friends. Just like what the fuck's happening. I think it was really a compliment that you did it I'm glad you did it actually now that we've talked about it All right, sorry, and then we talked about it. I was like, oh, it's fine, you know Is it weird that he's in a room that's like dark blue? Is it weird? Yeah, I think that's kind of I feel like the most normal color for a wall is is cream slash white Yeah, because you want to because the color of your walls is going to be it's going to impact how bright the room gets, right? That's right. It's really important for interior design what your sources of light are and you know East and west facing windows things of that nature. Oh my god rags the architect here Yeah, my parents are architects um But it's it's just it's odd to me that he has a dark blue room I wonder what the reason is this like his movie room where he watches movies and stuff because that might make sense Maybe if that's his place where he watches all this stuff because you'd want a darker room for that Maybe that's it. Maybe this is the the sanctum Yeah, this is the stuckman sanctum where he People overblow things people make something out of nothing And uh, everyone's happy I got a shit ton of editing to do The facts And uh, excuse me facts and we're aware that uh, yeah, nothing is wrong Oh my god I look forward to more videos. I am working a lot right now on them I need to stop eating dominoes pizza though because it's so easy to just order a pizza When you're editing it's so easy to do that Okay, you guys ever do with the grease effect your brain? That's me I will say I will say that on the on the topic of food. I was gifted for my birthday an air fryer Oh, hell yeah, they're they're pretty I've never had an air fryer before now. Let me tell you The whole new world of possibilities has been opened up for me so far. I've really been enjoying my air fryer. So Something to think about if you need something quick and easy Hell, yeah air fryer is a great. Oh, yeah I've been doing like broccoli and green beans with them some chicken thighs We even tried some bacon in it, but like veggies and stuff. Oh, excellent highly recommended good good stuff Oh, yeah, that's on my uh, that's on my to-do list because you know, I love my I love potatoes. Oh boy. I love potatoes So that's it the adventure complete I learned so much What did you learn rags? Hmm Yes, you weren't here when we were talking about what we learned so you got to provide an answer Give me give me about a minute. Let me think about it And I'll switch you this food Okay What are the generic questions? Can we ask about what we've been through today? Uh, I'll I have a random thing So I I can I keep coming back to david fincher in my mind because I feel like he's a filmmaker that actually has a rather mature understanding of the sort of relationship between Filmmakers and studios he rather infamously was a victim if you want to use that word of intense studio meddling Rather famously alien three was a disaster and he disowned the movie But he since then has said a quote that I quite like that I come to I come back to a lot when I hear people talk like this about studios He says I don't make movies in spite of the people who pay for them It's like yeah, of course. I like that quote a lot. Yeah I'm not doing it to like get one over on them. All right. They like they're a partner in the process I don't fund to my own movies They're a necessary part and I tell them exactly what I want to do and why and explain it all to them And then we make the movie Like an adult Yeah, that's right. Yeah Like a bunch of like because that's what movie making is it's a collaborative process Collaborative process between a lot of different people that have different roles That all ultimately create something that's bigger than their individual part If you're a director you have to know how to be able to talk to the costume designers and the hair stylists and the You know set people and the film guys and the best boy, whatever that guy does Um, you're gonna have to find out, you know, what what do you do and how do we all make it work? I'm kind of like the leader of this team Do you think about what you've learned? I did think about when at first off I learned don't don't call chris duckman a prick even jokingly He'll take it very seriously, and you'll be very upset um Twitter's a cesspool There really is a lot of Probably tactical advantage that can be gained from Playing the nice guy and a lot of people want that sentiment But I think that when it actually comes to it people are not going to live that sentiment Um, chris can't do it because he he doesn't seem like he's a bright lad And he doesn't understand that what he was saying isn't the entire time in that video Was what he claimed to be the opposite of what he's saying, and I don't think he's pulling a 40 chest on us um, I learned that People understand the difference broadly and this is good people understand the difference between being critical and being like in personally attacking someone and The people want things to be criticized And I think that you're failing sort of your yourself appointed duty as a movie reviewer By not criticizing the things that need it because it's the other side of praise Um, you are undermining people's trust in you when you have this attitude and when everyone can see it Even if you haven't said it explicitly everyone knows the game that you're playing um And ultimately I've also learned especially with its last segment watching the clips of old chris duck Or it's like I guess he was It's where he was younger back then but old chris stuckman was that He he seemed like a really, you know neat guy who was very down to earth very human and relatable And it seems that in a sort of subtle and semi terrifying way he sort of been chewed up and spat out by this aspiration That he doesn't want to be he thinks that being a first-rate youtuber Is maybe That in and of itself isn't good enough better to be a filmmaker who makes real stuff Because when I when I look at his videos, I never see that spark of creativity I never see that desire to make things and to and to let your self expression flow through what is ultimately a medium Where you are essentially creating many movies You're making five to ten little mini movies about you and how you feel about things You have camera equipment. You have access to editing. You have your stupid fucking blue room You have all this stuff that you can do and you never utilize it You sound less like a boring boring person who has to I want to add to that point that you make in their rags about the sort of attitude towards um, I guess youtube creation as lesser than older more established um forms It seems to me That it's good if you're entering into any creative pursuit to try and focus in as much as possible on What is it that you want to do slash like about any given medium? Whether it's you know movies or video games or music or you know Like art or any of these sorts of things to try and focus in as much on What is it about that medium that you find exciting that you want to learn how to do and get less out of the mindset of like the status Symbols that can be attached to a lot of these sorts of things of like i'm a filmmaker working in hollywood Rather than the lowly youtuber who's sitting in their home office, you know making something that they're really passionate about and excited about and putting a lot of work into um But like that attitude can be because it seems like there's so many people who basically view like youtubers Well, that's the lesser thing. That's the stepping stone to the real thing that I want to do Rather than an end in and of itself absolutely always better probably To be a first rate youtuber instead of a second rate filmmaker Well, it's it's funny because you could go for the whole like big fish and a small pond or whatever But it's like it's not really that it's just you're a fish in the pond that you like It's a nice pond It's it's and then the people are saying yeah, but that other pond's better It's like I mean you say that but like this pond's real nice You know this pond's real nice and I got access to plenty. What if what if what is like a regular fish eat? What are they what are they? Other than smaller fish potentially No, I was that was my first answer other fish, but they like plants like algae. They eat little bugs and little bitty You know like shrimps Fish are not my area of expertise when it comes to animals Fisher friends Fish are friends and food I guess as well um So I like if you are a youtuber and you aspire to be a filmmaker It might be worthy to ask yourself. What is it about being a filmmaker? What does that enable me to do that in a meaningful sense? I can't actually do here is it Is it yeah, why why would I shot my film around to festivals rather than just throwing it up on youtube for Everybody to see for free for instance Do you want to have access to famous actors? Do you want to do need a big budget for your CGI things? I mean, what is it exactly That you're trying to move away from to get to that will end it You know, what are you trying to enable yourself to do because as a youtuber you can write books You can just sit down in front of your camera and say, you know I've been writing some ideas out for some plots and stuff and you know Sometimes I like to visit these and toss them at you guys and see what you think and Maybe you can tell me about you know these ideas and see if they're good or not And you just tell people your ideas for your general concepts for things or maybe those concepts make it in To the reviews of what you're covering like it often does when we're covering stuff when we're talking about movies and shows Our own ideas They just bleed through into what we're talking about because we're I think pretty creative people I wonder If this is going to gradually destroy his channel in the the big appeal of him is his honest takes on films And he's openly admitted that he doesn't want to do that anymore now He's shown us a really bad example of that exact thing And then he's going to release his film and if it doesn't do well or Even if it's like good and doesn't get that much engagement I wonder if he's going to have to just by you know, sheer financial reasons go back to Come crawling back And uh, it'll be at first under the guise of something right Like oh no, this one's different because the creator has actually come out and said this that and the other thing or I decided to catch up on some older movies the well out of like, you know The creators of them are dead now so I can do some fun reviews of that or something But then eventually just slip back into what he was doing I wonder if that'll happen Don't forget you're here forever Well, it'll be Thanos is like reviewing youtube, you know stuff. He's like All your failure brought you back to me sort of thing right like it's It'll be kind of poetic Chad has reminded me he did do that his batman vs. Superman script Oh Tell him that's a sod snap neck it's it's a it's a wonderful meme It's a really good name in our community Oh, thank you chatter for reminding me of that That's the um the bayouin meme for the stream He relates to the great chris duckman drawing I'm a face That is a good chris duckman Get stuck in my nice turban eyes I just like I love that. I agree joe added his comment was I want to get stuck when I Like he didn't stuck when I just got a stuck when I what does that even mean get stuck? What does that even mean at this point? It's the vibe. I don't know. I just feel it I feel like it it means you're you're being like mind controlled into being positive It's like you're getting isolated, you know, yeah The machine and injected with the fleams that transfer you into a stucman What's the oldest huxley novel brave new world? Take your your happy pills your summer Take your stucman Eyes your stucman pills so you can never be critical. I only happy thoughts here Well before we wrap up Jay long bone since you're the the the the cause of all of this pain for so many people the disgusting monster that Just next time just don't call him annoying Just say, you know what I have feelings about this and then present it and that's it Maybe that will get you the uh the chill or you should have said I agree with him on almost Every single thing he said except and then label everything he said So the you know people don't get past that first sentence and they just they upvote you've been like, yeah, I agree with them as well No Everyone literally should be just like chris No one's gonna do what he did but sure don't be critical of movies movie reviewers In any case, you know, that's bad. What are you up to tell peoples? What's what's happening even though? I was gonna say other than pissing off everybody I've been trying to make us watch more porn with you Yeah, that day is gonna come There's another one of those remember there's another one of those 365 days movies, so Thank goodness. You better oil up. Anyway, we gotta find out how it all ends, you know Yeah, anyway, I got a channel where I review stuff and react to stuff Another video coming out later this week So if you want to subscribe you can look out for that but yeah, check out my reviews and other videos Julie Excellent wonderful Um, and of course well, we mentioned a good old drinker Gary and Chris Gore was here for a few moments. He had lots of opinions. It's funny because like a lot of people wanted to talk about this Including them and it was like, oh, this will be a perfect opportunity, but everybody was like super busy with all the different kinds of Time zones and stuff, but someone who clearly wasn't it was capital opinions. What are you up to tell people? That's me people right now All right. Well, uh, we're streaming regularly now on sundays We did a stream like two weeks ago or something that bring Ian Rags joined for and it was a lot of fun It was about Napoleon and Ridley Scott Ripped into a creative so nice Don't say we you weren't there Mahler I said you ripped into a creative you bastard. I heard we that's okay then No, he would say like Napoleon we I would never rip into a creative because that's not what you're supposed to do I rip into the studio True studio false really to say the mean things about the french rip into the french parliament Uh, yeah, so regular streams on sundays stay tuned for that and then devs is very very close to done I know you probably don't believe me, but it's true devs episode four come in soon and that's what I got Beautiful links to everyone's channels are in the description. We appreciate you all for uh, What was quite a the you guys really liked this episode? I think it was this one gathering Um, it was Chris always he always brings him in Chris is quite a he's quite a character It was funny setting it up. I was like, all right. I'm gonna have to include his comment section I obviously got the whole the whole original point was just to look at what people said to jay longbone I was like, I've got context and then when I was listening to his videos like What did the director even say about her own movie? I'll just go check I'll just write me like the video just kept fucking growing in size. I was like, I should put that there But that there but that there's a meme. You must want to be a filmmaker. Maybe who knows But uh, you should wear a shirt. Yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely Rags springy. What did you guys want to say if anything at all? Um, not ready to say anything yet. I think I'm getting over a hump life has been very Very busy a lot going on but hopefully You never know, hopefully Um, I'm just working the current project is e-fap tv. Hello season two, which has been Oh, man. Oh Yeah, uh that um other things, you know the deal we have to watch two episodes in two days fringy. Are you excited? Oh, yeah, I'm so excited to see the fall of reach. It's gonna be really I'm sure that it's gonna be I'm sure it's gonna rival Both the fall of reach the novel and halo reach in terms of its epicness and riveting storytelling Well, that's yeah, that's me editing dungeon today Uh, loki should have come out, but obviously we were here in its place. It'll go out tomorrow instead I get oh wait, this needs to go out too. I try to do more than one upload per day Fuck What if I put this out? Well, it could go out on uh on e-fap, you know No, because that's when fellowship rings coming out Oh, right. Okay. Geez. There's so much stuff guys. I guess we could do friday loki friday everybody I'll I'll aim it to be complete before friday night tight. So you don't have to Don't have to pick between the legendary entertainment of both I'll uh I'll set her up. So because this this episode you're listening to right now I'll be out on thursday more than likely because I got upload it get it ready that sort of thing Also, so much is said this stream was pointless How was it pointless? We just went over like a billion arguments from everyone. We learned so much Yeah, n word If you walked away from this stream thinking it was pointless Then I can see that you're probably a chris stuckman fan and you This is all right On that note, I I'm yeah, I'm sorry to feel that you think that I I disagree. I think there were many points What's gonna happen is is now fellowship the ring will come out this saturday because this episode will be this week's eFap Following week, it'll be the sunday just after No, wait the monday. No sunday Basically again fellowship then a week and then two towers in a week then return to the king then a week and then all the mini Movies, I think they're actually called mini movie or movies minis or some that me and omega are figuring it out Of which like I said, there are either 26 or seven of them But plus the three lord the rings and then the weeks that's 30 weeks of lord the rings stuff You may or may not have seen So that'll be if you watch watch those videos to see sauron get stuckman eyes Oh Um, but yeah on that note that's so well I've got to say you'll also get your super chat catchups are also coming out with any days that are Free from uploads as well moolah is just pumping They're all the stuff on it all the time still working through loki Who knows what else? Chris duckman might want to work for the big budget studios But we at efap we really know where the money and the support comes from it comes from all of you comes from our Incredible audience stuck with us to find fine people at home Bouncing from loki to halo to lord of the rings to chris duckman. That's just look at that Yeah, we we need your super chats to pay for our better help therapists after watching loki and halo Um, oh and also uh because we haven't mentioned in a couple of episodes You got the uh the efap highlights channel is still just just popping out all kinds of things if you haven't yet subscribed It's uh, it's doing All kinds of things you never know what's going to happen next if you're a fan of efap. It's a fun Thing to jump into I think Yeah, the channel is really great It's awesome to go and revisit a lot of efap moments because we've got quite a library at this point It's great to go back a certain amount of years sometimes and see the origins of memes and old efaps and people We've covered So even for us. Yeah There's um It like bounces between the sort of cuts of the new stuff and then just random old stuff that pops in based on everyone's sort of uh requests and links in the comment section if you just want to let The uh, what wolf is the one that runs this channel? No Then he'll try and get things done for you shorts come out even as well as shocking as that is It is possible that there are funnies that happen with under 30 seconds or whatever with with us crazy In any case that's about it and all we got for the night. So We'll just say goodbye everybody. Have yourselves a fun. Good. Bye everybody. See you later. Have a great night. Great day Bye