 And we are live on location in Orlando, Florida at the 18th 21 convention. It is good to have you guys with us today To those to those watching at home and of course our live studio audience. Thank you guys for joining us today We sincerely appreciate your support. You guys are what makes this event happen No matter I mean we've got panelists and speakers But you guys are the real core of the 21 convention This is the 84th edition of the red man group alive and today We're going to discuss the effect that the 2020 presidential campaign and subsequent election We'll have on the mannisphere as well as the red pill and vice versa How can we affect the election? Do we affect the election in the campaign then of course? We'll talk about the 21 convention as well as the 22 convention Which is for women and by men that's gonna be coming up here real soon before we get started Let me introduce today's esteemed panel from my left your right to my right your left We've got Texas Dom of Texas Dom.com next is Ken Curry and Ken remind me of what your website is Solid man.com excellent next is Steve the Dean Williams You guys can check his website out at the man minds at calm to my left a man I met about a minute and a half ago Stefan Arneo his website is Stefan Arneo calm He's written a few books here hard ties create strong men self-made millionaire how to make men He talks money sex religion and politics my kind of cocktail there To my right here, of course is Goldman unleash of Goldman unleash calm Of course my man socrates of manning up smart calm and rich granted a retired Navy seal who wrote a book called Building Confidence Through violence sure to trigger a lot of different people Namely women so this is who we are we're gonna start off Asking our panelists about the 21 convention what their experiences are and I'd like to start with you rich As a retired Navy seal Understanding what the military has more or less devolved Into in terms of the culture the things that allows the things that it does not allow All of the shenanigans that goes on in the military What are your thoughts on how the 21 convention could help men in the military particularly young men? well, I think In two two different aspects if we look at the the next generation of men coming up who will be joining into the military I think it'll be huge for to them for that for them to get their confidence back to understand it's okay to be a man and To have that warrior spirit and that warrior mentality going into the military I think one of the one of the big things going into the election to though from a political standpoint if you look at the ages of 18 to 35 They've done different surveys and polls and they show that you know 45 to 55 percent of that demographic age And greater support socialism or that type of government which obviously if you're Joining the military to fight and defend the Constitution United States. It's kind of It doesn't really work So you can't really be defending freedom and liberty and the Constitution while supporting a socialist Style of government so I think on on two phases though the one being the political aspect of it But also you know making sure that we understand that men should be men and The next generation that we're raising up that's under 18 allowing them to explore that aspect of their lives and their childhood and develop those skills and and that Self-confidence needed To be more fighting men Excellent now talk to us a little bit about your book building confidence through violence anyone I guess in the blue pill world as it were who if they get a look at this book the title alone would trigger a lot Of different people what was the inspiration behind writing this book and how has it been received? So that that's actually a talk I do it's not actually a book maybe we'll make it one, but it's just it's just the the aspect of It's really important for us to understand that through through fighting and it's not promoting people Just go out and get in street fights, but through the aspect of of growing up and being in Positions where you're facing off against another man and you can Explore the the the violent side of your nature, right because we're not growing up in the forest And we're not hunting and all that stuff with spears and all that kind of thing anymore, right? So we need a place as men to explore that we find that in mixed martial arts where we can have violence without emotion Right good sportsmanship where two dudes can smash each other and shake hands at the end Right and learn about yourself and you know Understand that it's okay to get punched in the face. It's okay to lose it sometimes when you get your ass kicked That's when you learn the most about yourself, right? And you have the most growth when you lose right if you do it with the right mentality coming into it And you don't take it personally you don't get emotional about it but you can use it as a as a Place to grow from and also where you start to earn respect of other men Whether you lose or not how you handle that failure how you take those punches is where you gain that respect from other men, right and in that you start to build respect for yourself and And your friends you're the women in your life the friends in your life your co-workers other people will start to respect you And you'll have more self-confidence in the workspace in in all areas of your life That's just there's obviously other places where we can build our own self-esteem and self-respect But in that that's one that's being heavily throttled back in our environment in my in my opinion Right of not letting men really explore that because they're supposed to be soft and kind and understanding And it's like yes, there's a time and place for that But there's also a time and place for dudes just to smash stuff You know what I mean and and to let that part of their nature out Excellent excellent now a couple of things that you mentioned Just now a rite of passage and I'm gonna I'm gonna come to text with this Men of a certain age probably remember the days where there really was a true rite of passage That seems to be absent with today's youth What is your opinion on how the 21 convention can maybe sort of create a rite of passage for young men and how can that help the moving forward? Well considering we won't be deer hunting here anytime saying which You know that was the rite of passage when I was growing up right we we did things with our fathers and our uncles Right and we went beyond the next step and to a lot of young men these days. They don't have active fathers they don't have active uncles and Almost by proxy some of us become that to those guys So we come together in a group like this. This is our hunt, right? We're sharpening our skills We're sharpening our message to each other and then we these guys have gained these Powerful concepts they start to implement them in their own lives Then they can turn around and start helping other men as well So that's the rite of passage just take that information use it become better at who you are Pass it on excellent. Excellent. Well said text Socrates he we're talking about the rite of passage for men Let's switch gears a little bit here and talk about maybe a rite of passage for women if there is such a thing You've got a very young daughter. Okay. We've got the 22 convention coming up What are your thoughts on the 22 convention? Are women gonna show up? Can we help them? Do they want to be held? I'm asking myself the same questions. I Honestly don't know I know that there's been a lot of feedback on it I can't imagine it not being triggering You know, it's just gonna happen sure because I think it's so unique is that it's not being addressed How that's gonna play out? I honestly don't know I bet I think there's good will there's good intent It's sincere and I will say this. I think it's terribly terribly Needed I think that there's this void of values and ideas and culturalization that we deal with adults We just can't look at men and say we need to cultivate men right and only be you know We're sitting and saying hey the sexes are meant for each other That's something I fundamentally believe and we're compatible and complimentary to each other We can't be just developing a single sex, you know And I think that it is natural that we would have a 22 convention Paralleling with the patriarch events and if we're talking about generating families and we talk about the patriarch event Being really not just about leading and developing a family, but cross-generational Right looking deep, you know into the future of your family history or you know the future and making sure that your family is present You know your genetics are being cast in the in the future I've said on the stage repeatedly that I think it's a both a right and an obligation and I'm found that I have people coming back to me feedback the first time I said is like I can't believe you said that It was important because you just don't hear that I think we are taught self-sacrifice in a large measure of ways and I think there's some beneficial elements to it But you know I can also sit down and say it can destroy you as well, right? And I can't imagine My entire family history chore of any of our family history is you know a quarter million generations in a Genetic chain and saying I'm the weakest link it ends here with me That is an absolute human tragedy and nature doesn't care, right? It's going you know the in and Each day I don't live that existence and I don't work towards that I become increasingly irrelevant day by day you know to the point of my own extinction and so you know being an older man I'm now thoroughly looking at that. I look at my daughter not just as me teaching a new adult or somebody who Rode to an adult. It's not that she's an apprentice. She's truly my understudy to replace me Okay, well that you should look at fathering and parenting Whether it's a boy or a girl in the same way and say how do you replace me? How do how do my children best replace me? And that's your gift as a parent. Excellent. Make sure you're trying to cultivate that way excellent The the extinction of the traditional american nuclear family It appears to be on the horizon and with that i'm going to come to ken curry If i'm not mistaken and correct me if i'm wrong here You're a licensed family counselor Marriage and family therapist marriage and family therapist. So you're more or less on the front lines Okay, you're you're you're able to see what's happening Give us a little bit of insight in terms of the problems that you're seeing. Why is the traditional American nuclear family becoming extinct and what if anything can mend like you do about it? Oh That's a big question There's so many yeah, why is it why it's taken a hit for sure the family can it be saved? Do you think? Of course, okay. I think because it's nature Is this is it's going like if everything hits the fan? It's that is the thing that is the Bedrock it's the foundation. It's the the strength of society of culture of of of that and so I think um Right now we live in this this time of extreme abundance And there there's so much good stuff and it's like we don't have to Fight or scratch but when it ever gets down to when we have to fight in scratch It's going to come back. Sure. And so that's kind of but that didn't really answer your question about why And I don't know I don't know exactly why it's uh the family is faltering I think there's a number of of different things there's there's the different things that are going on with the court systems and and divorce is just ravaging families and Gosh, I'm not sure how to answer that. Okay. Well, I mean I don't have a problem coming back to you on that I think that's a question. It's I guess it's more or less a rhetorical question But I'll point to this. I know one of the reasons why The extinction of the traditional american family seems to be on the horizon I believe that it probably can be saved but A couple of guys a couple of things that certainly don't help are guys like myself And of course to my right the king of camera game none other than goldman unleashed now You and I don't really have a lot in common other than the fact that we've both lived on the eastern seaboard And we've had our share of let's call it shenanigans with the second sex A lot of guys point to us and say you're the reason why the traditional american nuclear family is extinct The players you guys are sleeping with all these women ruining them for relationships What do you say to guys who say you're the problem you're the reason you with this camera game and Getting girls into bed donovan sharp live in this vegas high life and all this other kind of stuff You are ruining women. What's your response to that? I I don't know who says that That's uh, I've never come across it before. I think if you come From a place of honesty, okay, like I want to live this lifestyle. I want to experiment I want to figure out what kind of women i'm actually attracted to Um, and you need to go through that phase, right? I think most people are going to be pretty accepting But we're not out there trying to destroy the family. We're gonna honestly searching like most of the players intelligent ones Uh, they're looking for their What they really like in a feminine one right and whatever it is like sometimes you just got to experiment and go through the motions Now you're a young guy I'm gonna put you on the spot here. Is goldman unleash gonna have little gold nuggets in the future or are we gonna stay on the road and And continue and continue this uh this bohemian, uh, you know a road lifestyle here Well, I'm on I'm on the path right now where I really value my independence And I like being alone and I love bachelor life still Uh in the future. I mean still up in the air. Okay, I don't know I've got I've got the little The fantasy of raising a boy Wow, I say if I if I ever had a daughter I'd go back to church Okay One guy up here, uh, who is certainly not foregone fatherhood, uh Is my man steve the dean williams, uh setting to my setting to my left your right of the man mindset dot com now steve You are the embodiment in my mind of the american dream. You've got a wife. You've got kids You've got the picket fence the well not 2.2 children But I think you've got I think four or five children You seem to really enjoy family life. You love your kids. You love your wife You tell people about it all the time. Where do guys like you fit into the red pill community? How can guys like how can guys like you convince guys like me who have decided that i'm not going to have children Have kids Well, I I I try to push We need the electricity to go out so we can find out our true nature Wow, um, also what's also important is your last name. I I can't stress I'm a williams and i'm Damn fucking proud to be a williams and my kids are williams is in and the importance I always tell guys out there is that If you don't want a relationship now don't have one but don't let anybody scare you Or make you fearful of having a relationship If you're a great great grandfather thought like some of you right now you wouldn't be here You know and these are things that you got to think about because The the best part about it is is being able to watch your future. I'm not going to be here forever But i'm going to go on that's what I know through my name and through my kids names But it's not just through my sons like socrates. I have daughters too And my name guy has to go on through them They have no choice but to treat a man with ultimate respect They have no choice but to submit and serve to a man They have no choice to make sure that he is taken care of why Because dad made sure That that is part of being a williams and that's part of a legacy and for those guys out there It's it's it's not and i'm just real quick. It's not the end of the the marriage guys The the marriage is the beginning just like what texas said. I mean marriage is an ultimate Pat on the back of showing the world. This is my representation this woman. I call my wife has my name She has my ring. She has my rules laws codes narratives and principles But for those that are trying to grow as men This is part of not I won't say the end result But it's a beginning of the end result because one thing I don't want you to understand is If it's the end result, that means it can't go any higher It's just a part of it and for you guys learning who you are laws rules codes Principles and narratives, but most importantly last thing learning your last fucking name And knowing what it means to you first before you give it to somebody else That's last fucking name Reach it guys reach that now step in this is the first time i've met you This is your first 21 convention Talk to me about what your experience has been like and why you decided to join us for the 1821 convention Well, I heard about the convention from a friend of mine jack donovan. I had him on my podcast He's been a source in my book hard times create strong men And I saw I saw you guys in poland It looked awesome. I sent him a message. I said, hey man, how do I get it on this convention? I ended up talking to anthony and You guys have a great room of people. These are young guys. They're they're not so young guys They're hungry every man here wants to reach his potential whatever that means and I like the variety of topics I was looking online apparently We like to watch videos of how to pick up chicks mostly but besides picking up chicks There's a diversity of things here and I'd written a book called hard times create strong men It was what is a man in the modern world and money sex religion politics. It's got violence. It's got killing its rated r So I never plan on writing a men's book, but here I am Joining the convention and I've got a real estate investing background So I think I can add something on the money side But also the how to be a man side. So I'm pretty excited to be here It's a great group of guys and lots of intelligent men who Are trying to become better. So there's nothing there's nothing bad. You can say about a group of guys like that. Absolutely now Obviously you have you have a background in real estate What's the importance because I talked about this on in in my speech body mind and finances Um, was that the bmw? It was the bmw. I was I was trying to stay away from the copyright laws of the actual bmw car So I guess I'm gonna call it w for well. Yeah, there you go. Oh, there it is There it is. I wanted to make people think that it was going to be women, but then I pulled the old switcheroo What are your thoughts on finances? Um, well, you're a self-made millionaire. Yeah, um, every every man says I don't want to work for someone else. I want to be a self-made millionaire. I want to do this I want to do that. I want to be my own boss I've been my own boss before on my own boss now Talk to us about some of the drawbacks of being your own boss having the name Stefan Arneo on the bottom of your check right and checks to yourself We all know what the benefits are talk to us about some of the drawbacks that most people understand Corporates so none of them say Stefan Arneo I got a bunch of corporations, but you know, I think it is a dream for Men to work for themselves or have their own enterprise But I mean think about this. Do you want your wife working for another man or do you want to working for you? So, you know, that's the next step is you can retire your wife You can you can have your kids working for I think there's all sorts of great things with having a business. Is it tough? Yes It's it's motherfucking difficult Getting rich or dying trying but what are you guys going to do in this life? I mean I talked about in my speech a man's purpose is his work And you know, you're either going to fill some other man's purpose or you know Can you can you go out there and stake a claim and most businesses have a 90% failure rate in the first five years and if you survive five years You've got 90 chance of failure in the second five. So you've got 99 chance of failure But you should still try you know try 10 businesses go and do it and The only thing that you're going to you're going to learn the worst thing can happen is you fail and then You just go try again America is you know the greatest country or was the greatest country in the world at one point because America in the west has bankruptcy laws where even if you fuck it up and you lose everything You're not going to debtor prison. It's not Dubai. It's not india It's not some place where you know failing actually will ruin you or there's intergenerational debt Well, there is with student loans now. Oh, Jesus. Yes, but uh, America is a free country and you know, I'm from Canada It's a free country too You can try go try and you know what even if you go bust or you go bankrupt That'll wipe your slate clean and you'll just go try again And that's the beautiful thing about this place is good You should try you need to try and if you don't try what's your life even about No, I agree. I agree 100% well said let's switch gears here and go back to the 22 convention and rich grand Is your name? I thought your name was rich granon. I don't know where I got that from Probably uh, mishard. He's an avc l. I had to apologize Um, so the 22 convention is going to be for women by men and goldman you talked about feminine women, okay Today femininity has many different definitions as well as masculinity masculinity is what the 21 convention is about What are your thoughts on the 22 convention? I'll ask you what I ask socrates. Obviously, it's necessary. Do you think women are going to show up and if they do What's the age demographic going to be are we going to have young pretty girls? Are we going to have post-wall women looking for a come up? I mean, what are your thoughts? Who's this question? That's you. Oh, yes. He tried to get out of it. Wait a minute Ah, yeah, because that is a tough one. I mean, I I don't really know I think the women I see interacting with the man a sphere seem pretty genuine. They seem feminine I wouldn't say they're young Okay Probably not I wouldn't say they're young they've kind of they've seen they've been burned before And I think we're going to see women who like are just trying to Like make the most out of themselves And if they're looking to us, you know, they're they're really seeking something and they don't have that The biggest problem I see with the young women today is their egos are just completely out of control So the women who do show up like looking to really improve themselves I think they're going to be humble about it and really true seeking which I totally respect Excellent. Can I weigh in on that? Go ahead? Yeah, so I got a book right now I'm working on called the Oracle the Queen the princess and the whore and it's hard times for women Yeah, those are four types of women so My I normally had a 90 male audience 10 Female when I was just doing real estate money and then I started talking about what men ought to be And as soon as I opened the conversation up to what men ought to be the women came out They said, oh, I got something to say about that. I'll get the hell out of here with that Yeah, so so what ended up what happened is my my audience has doubled for women now And the women first of all, I say well, you can't read hard times. It's for men only and as soon as you tell a woman She can't have it. She's gonna read it. Of course. So now she reads hard times She's like I like this but then she says but what about women? So I have this what about women discussion happening on my social media. What's interesting is There's a couple types of women. There's the the married Woman who's feminine and she's got like three kids and she puts her kids names in the instagram description And she's married to like an army guy and she's like straight up like this is what my kids are going to learn hard times I love you Then you got the the woman who's like You got the one the woman who's like a successful female. Maybe she's got a business Alpha female alpha female and she's having trouble finding a strong enough man to make her feel like a woman Right, so you might get some of those but I think the 22 convention. This is my hypothesis I don't want to say anything negative. I think it's going to be kind of like cruise ships Where cruise ships they have the men and the women together and the men pay for the women to come because the men want to have sex with them Yes, that's how it works And then there's the gay crews where there's 4 000 men and they're all gladiators And they're all gay and they're having sex with each other and they're paying to come on the cruise And I looked at and I was like, why is there no singles crews for straight men straight women's because the women won't pay So to get women to pay to come to a thing like you said the young women they got egos So they're like i'm hot. I don't need you But the reality is in the long-term game 100 percent of the women are competing for the top three percent of men So they do need it, but they don't know they need it So to answer that marketing question to make the women know they need it when they're hot and they're young And they have 50 guys and their dm send in them dick pics It's going to be hard to crack through that barrier Somehow so I think that's a it's a mega challenge telling a hot woman She's not hot and she has to come learn. Oh boy. Yeah, right good luck with that Real quick down a minute It's until their pussies start looking like chewed up meat. Oh Hashtag You mean when it goes from ham to roast beef Chewed up chewed up mince meat that they start to get that Realization that oh my god now. It's time for me to to package it up pack it on in Fix it sew it up screw it up screw it in And I you know to find a guy I think that there is this this younger less damaged generation coming along a little more conservative I mean there was a lot of uh polling data in 2016 when trump won of high school seniors and juniors how they would have voted And trump overwhelming won that demographic If those if that type of of a person will end up here at some point Or and not get damaged to the point that they'll never show up because they're waiting for some sugar daddy to pay for it I don't know but I think there's hope there How do we get them here? That's the challenge, right? Well, you're gonna have to hit the churches and you're gonna have to go through their fathers no jokes Like I mean as you should amen It's gonna be churches and fathers and like you almost have to get the men here to bring Whatever women they have but it also seems like the men here have trouble pulling women That's why they talk about pulling women. So now we're back to the chicken and the egg So it's a that's a marketing challenge, man Challenges for sure and rich want to come to you about the 22 convention. I have a very good friend of mine He knows a woman. She's I think 34 35 years old beautiful red head hot body But she was in the marines very very hyper masculine and It's just like I forget. I think it was I think was steven who who talked about, you know, the strong women who are looking for a man That is that is strong enough to deal with or handle a woman like her What are your thoughts on the 22 convention in terms of women in the military? Obviously the 22 convention is going to preach traditional femininity What kind of women come through the marines if any and what are your thoughts on the lack standards of the military with regards to Sort of allowing women to to sort of be under the bar so with that I would extend that past the women in the military and I would put that into military spouses Right because if you're married to a military Man or even if you're a man married to a military woman You're married to someone in the military you take on a lot of the burden that the that the soldier does Right. So when they go on deployment, you're back State side handling all the thing as a single parent, but you're not A single parent isn't that where she gets a boyfriend? That's when he's deployed. That's when she gets the boyfriend though Every time sometimes. Yeah. Yeah So I saw that And there is a lot of that stuff that happens, right But in the in the big picture of it, you have Spouses that want to help Push forward and they're very usually the ones that stay are very strong independent women who can handle being Away from their husband for six months three months. I know when I was in the SEAL teams Even when I wasn't on deployment I was gone 300 plus days out of the year training. Wow, right So on deployment years. Okay, cool. You're going for six months at a time But you were never really there even when you were there so it's it's Pays a heavy toll on that family And I've done a ton of work with veteran suicide prevention And we have this Programs that that I've worked with and been involved with where we bring the the military men the veterans who are suffering from PTSD or they're trying to get their life back on order, right and And we bring them out and try to get them spiritual hearing Healing and get them their lives back on direction, right? One of the things that we constantly hear from the spouses or from the women are How come that's only for men? We want to be involved. We're part of this family too We want to get the coaching that our husbands are getting or find out What is it that we do on our side of this relationship? What do we do on our side with the kids to help? You know, they're going and getting this this healing or trying to get their life back on order But if nothing changes back in the house Then nothing truly changes the temporary fix when I work with the canine units, right? People all the time ask me to come train their dog And I'm like I can train your dog and your dog's going to work for me When I hand the dog back to you and you bring it back into that same environment Yeah Don't be surprised when the dog lashes out and does all the same crap it does and then when I walk in and I Take that lead it's going to behave because we haven't changed the dynamic in the or the environment within that home So I think it's a very important thing Not to go away from talking about military women What who are serving but just on a on a broader perspective of the 22 convention Um, I think there is A market there for for people who want to salvage a marriage and people who want to To continue to build a strong family, right? I think there is a place for them and there is a place for that Dual learning and that dual growth between the husband and the wife and translating down into the children As far as the the women in the military, there's people who come from all different backgrounds I can't speak on what every single woman's desire is to join the military. Um, You know, uh, again, they're entering an environment that is is very masculine And there is a lot of pushback and resentment because a lot of the the fighting Class of the military doesn't want the standards to drop right to fit one or two women Who may be able to make the cut, right? I think there's a great um role for women in the military Generally speaking as far as in the intelligence community and all that kind of stuff women are way more perceptive to all that stuff The men so as far as the espionage side of the house goes and the intelligence gathering and other support roles I think there's definitely a place for them. Um in in the combat roles I don't know if are if they were going to do a combat role I think the women should have an all women's unit combat role Right versus integrating them Just from my personal Observation you can sugarcoat it however you want and you can say this stuff doesn't happen We're going to be fucking professional The reality is almost every time when you put a woman in the middle of a group of men Right the whole dynamic whether whether she ever hooks up with any or not the dynamic of the men having one woman in a mix of 20 30 50 100 men it changed the dynamic because now they're all in competition. Yep, right? That's exactly right The distraction and whether we want to say we're going to be professional or not. It's our nature. We can't that's right. It's biology It's biology, right? So, um Why they join I don't know but I do think there is definitely a place for For for coaching the women within that within that 22 convention for building stronger families. Well said well said Again, I'm going to come to you with this the strong and independent woman Society tells our women that you can have it all you can have the job the career You can make the money the the the power husband the kids the suv and all that stuff What is the strong and independent woman? What effect does that have on the traditional nuclear family? Is it good? Listen, obviously, I think that it's I think it's terrible Any woman that says well, you can't handle a strong woman in my response to that as well Listen, I'm sure you can handle a bratty kid. That doesn't mean you want to What are your thoughts on what's happening with the american family? And how is the strong and independent woman negatively affecting the american family? And you're giving me some questions that are killing me You you've uh, you've got a I you have a degree Now the whole idea of strong and independent actually that's Being an adult. Yeah, right sure, but the whole thing of of uh, what that translates into a relationship Is you know, we're just talking about the alpha female or whatever And if that's what it translates to where I have to be in control and I have to be the strong one Then that's problematic. Yeah, but naturally it seems to me And the work that I'm doing on the front lines that most women do not want to be the strong one When it really comes down to it, right? And so they want somebody that's stronger They want somebody to decide they want somebody to lead And and so in my work that's in marriage counseling. It's like how do we build that? Um, where we have a really good um leadership structure and and actually it's more About just each person in the marriage becoming whole okay and becoming healthy And being themselves and I think a lot of the strong independent narrative has is is just a lie It's not what women want. I don't want to necessarily be independent. I would love to be dependent I don't want to be strong. I would love to be with somebody who is strong And so um, yeah That's actually see that's a good answer. I know you can do it. I know you can do it the so Obviously the 21 convention. I think goldman mentioned or I think it Stefan actually said Young hot girls are not coming to the 22 convention They've got all the answers and if it ain't broke don't fix it as far as they're concerned and we can talk about that What do we do with our daughters sock? How do we raise our daughters to be? To be self-sufficient self-reliant, but by the same token Train them to hey listen when you do meet that strong male who can take charge and give you a good life How can we teach them to be traditionally submissive? It's gonna be by example Okay, you know and so you sit down and say I've I've got a four-year-old daughter I have to make sure that I am present. I'm there. I'm involved And so you're gonna see me taking a much more active role day to day more than I'm even now And it's it's in responsive. I know that um our our our middle child right now One just Graduated or earned his eagle merit badge. Okay. I've never seen that And then also seen in conjunction for the first time the girl scout troop associated with that And these girls were active dynamic and however you feel about it I was kind of torn on it because I really would like to see a boy's space But at the same time girl scouts as heinous to the point that little girls are rejecting it Yeah, and so we can complain about the age that we live in and the conditions we're at But this is you have to deal with that, you know, this is where we're at And so consequently I firmly believe that she's going to go through boy scouts as a girl I'm going to be terribly involved with that and then supplementing that as well And and part of this is that you know, I used to host an event at my house with the 21 convention Invite everybody over have them come over and she absolutely loves it I know tanners recently spoken about The potentiality of the rise of arranged marriages and I see the value of that as well You know having been very close to that myself of you know relationships and family structures and Have an attraction and knowing that you have your family's blessing and you know, it's a good Match, you know overhaul they're looking at your interest the family's interest everything else But at the same time I see my daughter Interacting with the guys of the 21 convention and if you sit out and say who am I associating with as a man Would I not want to introduce my family to him let alone my daughter? Wow, so she is going to have 20 years experiences With men like goldman with you know, we have rich here and I can definitely tell you she's going to go through rich's training There's absolutely zero doubt in my mind. That's going to be taking place And so part of that is is that that understudy of you're replacing me as a human being you're going to be carrying that through And that can take any number of guises and approaches But I think you're going to start to see fathers Involved with their children's lives and ways in which our own fathers Probably weren't nearly as hands-on You know, we know about the emphasis on increased Parenting face time with both mothers and fathers. I think that's going to continue throughout a child's life well past the adult You know 18 21 years And we're going to be looking much further down the road of continuing adult And I see the 21 convention 22 convention. I I start to believe that we're going to start to see more and more Fathers with sons. We're going to see mothers with daughters. We're going to see couples And we may even have an entire family group showing up. That would be great Can you imagine that and I don't think that's that far along? If you sit down and say the 21 convention has been going roughly what 10 12 years, you know, um, if we say five years Look how far we've come in that time period or how much the ministry has changed in that period of time I see this being reflected. I see an organization like this leading culture Where culture is completely flagging and one of the things that frightens me most is I look at today's politics and culture and how out of touch I think politicians are how with culture and then what really scares me is the idea that they may not be And what the blowback on that will be and I think in many ways we need to get back to a standard in which Culture drives politics and not the other way around Well said Steve you have daughters. Yes. How do we raise our daughters to not need the 22 convention? To not need it. Yeah How do people raise them to not need it? That's right Well, I think what's happening They're gonna need well what they need first Is a panel of strong men because without the men leading them, they're going to be blind To the information right because strong men are going to do one thing that most can't and that is being honest And being and keeping things 100 with them and letting them know that just like I think you were saying about life The life doesn't give a fuck about you, you know, we're going to come in It's how they're going to eat you up Spits you out, but also you've got to learn that As a young lady growing up to be an adult lady and growing up to be a grown woman that you have to understand It's not about your wants. You may want him to open the door and give you flowers, but that's not what it's about You may want to hear guys out there that's giving you bad information And that's the thing that we've got to educate them on there. There are guys out there Coddling these it's okay. You know These guys are all bad guys and they don't have your interest at heart because they're trying to tell you that you've got to submit to a man If you're biblical, that's the snake There you go So With with some what's important here. They need it Because it's not just coming from one man All children again, we have an array of men coming from different communities You know, we're we're all communities coming together to be at the table. Right. This is the table But young girls Women I like Need to see men at the table to see men interact at the table to see men discuss We don't have to agree on everything, but Like you were saying we all wait. I think you were saying we can fight At 12 o'clock high or three o'clock and then we go play football the next I mean just But that's how men are but they need to see men in a an environment That's why I say turn the lights off and and let them experience what nature really is in us Where there's no computer no internet no lifetime channel. I mean real quick I just saw some bullshit today where young boys are walking around talking about i'm on my period Oh, you are serious walking around with a little 10-pack string coming out they draw. I'm like, what the fuck is it? I'm sorry. I mean 10 anyway, but what I'm saying what I'm saying is is that this is why we're here but I'm Wrap it up. This is why all women need this because We are going to do one thing that most came and that's going to be an honest assessment because He's we're all successful But the thing about success you want to learn from success Right because the thing about success success doesn't play by your rules, right? You've got to learn success But the only way you're gonna learn it is being by successful men. You're talking about Examples, right? You want to know how to raise a bunch of good little feminists? Have a bunch of weak fathers that aren't doing their jobs. Yes, right because what happens is women are fucking resilient They're in a family. They've got a weak husband. Guess what they do they pick up the reins Right, they pick up the chore. They they make it happen to protect their family Little girl grows up and sees mommy in charge. Yeah, that's how you get more little blue-haired feminists Happy wife. Happy life. Where does this start? I want to come to you. I want to add to that for a second Yeah, go ahead. I read a great internet meme and it said Women fuck who they want Men fuck who they can And then the rebuttal to it was Men marry who they want. That's right You know women marry who they can women marry who they can And I think that with the 22 convention if you if you actually target women who are like 30 and it's like, hey Want to get married actually to an actual strong man come here. They're here And ps will teach you how to actually become marriageable because that's a real problem. Like i'm 33 And i'm i'm you know relatively single guy and I go out in the the market and women who are 26 27 28 29 30 31 to 35 Disaster for those women. They're used. They're abused They need to go to like a life repair class like they need vaginal reconstruction. There you go. Yep They need to have a reconstruction Re-race like the men in black with that They need they need everything because Guys like us have handled them on tinder for like 10 years or whatever. Yeah, and now they're totally fucked up And then guys like me is looking at the girl who's 22 or 23 instead of the girl who's 27 And you always have to target that and like hey girls come get fixed up Like this is like the repair class like oh husband prep class pre marriage class because they do want to be married But they're subscribing to the whore culture that we have and we have a huge whore culture now And they got a piercing through their face a tramp stamp on their face and the purple hair and all this bullshit And then one day they wake up and they realize they've got to put on a sundress get rid of the tattoos And shut the fuck up and get back to like what her dad told her to do it Well, here's the problem. They realize this at 37 38 years old. It's too late. Yeah, it's it's too late That's the young women and the other thing with the problem with women is Women want everything and they don't know what they want. So they're like, I want to be married Don't want to be married. Touch me. Don't touch me. Look at me. Don't look at me I'm wearing a boob shirt. Why are you looking at my boobs? So it's like there's all this like double thought that goes on with women So it's like we have single thoughts men. We think about one thing. It's usually sex Women think about everything and then they have these contradictory thoughts I want to be strong, but I want to be into I want to be dependent I want you to be strong, but I want you to yield to me sometimes So it's like this paradoxal thing that you have to deal with that I think you got to hit them Want to get married come get fixed up. I like it. I don't think it's paradox at all I think that women want all the benefits without any of the costs That's what it comes down to human nature Well, that's that's to me. That's weak human nature. We men up here. We understand that success comes at a price You want to be a millionaire? You want to be a ceo of a fortune 500 company? Guess what you're gonna have to sacrifice sleep and relationships. That's how it works to take it to a sports reference We've got andy reid and tony dungey Both hall of fame football coaches both have had sons commit suicide If they were not nfl head football coaches chances are their sons would still be here today, right? There are sacrifices that have to be made Unfortunately women these days get all of the benefits without any of the costs and in my opinion stefan having a real estate background That you do or you have a real estate background to me There are only three main areas that women truly embrace femininity. That's in pharmaceutical sales Infidelity and real estate What are your experiences with women in the real estate industry? Are they traditionally feminine because they want to be or because they have to be? So women who are realtors are savages, of course, they're motherfucking savages. They're super slutty They're dangerous If you meet one in the wild beware approach with caution Oh, seriously, they're hearted man because you know what they go in and they're like Oh, you know, I didn't do so well in school or like talking to people So I'm a real turn now and they're they're fine for a bit But then they get chewed out and spit out by by men like me And then after a while they turn super hard and they're pretty much men right there their street like real estate street negotiating It is actually like drug dealing or prostitution or the music business. You're out there on the street You're negotiating and they get super hard and I think that's one of the problems for women I read about my book the oracle they lose their femininity By living as a man They live their masculine purpose of their work and they lose their femininity along the way and then somehow they have to find That again, and it's not like Humpty Dumpty. You don't just put Humpty Dumpty back together again In fact, all the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't even do it so Well, all the king's horses and all the king's men are plowing these women on the regular And what it really comes down to What it really comes down to and I've said this before On my show is that women who are hyper successful the lawyers the doctors the ceo's the executives The more success the more resources the more power and influence a woman attains The further she shrinks her pool of potential suitors Because Susie the ceo at the fortune 500 company. She doesn't want to date the janitor She doesn't want to fuck the junior partner. No, no, no She wants to marry the ceo of the fortune 1000 company And what women these days don't realize is that the more I guess financially successful they become the less feminine they become and the reason for that It's just it's exactly what you said in order to be hyper successful financially. You got to be cutthroat Like you have to have like a street level drug dealer tight mentality in order to be successful You have to act like a man and what happens is that if you act like a man long enough Eventually you become one and then you've got these 37 38 year old cat women Who are wondering well, where have all the good men gone? Well, I was going to ask you the same thing I actually thought that you were a man. So I think that women these days are very very I think they're extremely misguided Um in that they don't understand that you can't You can have it all. It's just not going to be the way you want it I'm going to come to text with this to to wrap up the 22 convention Discussion here You have a very submissive wife in every sense of the word only to me only to you That's exactly right. That's a very that's an important distinction to make. How did you do it? Relentless Effort of just being me because you got two people button heads all the time. That's what it came down to I mean, I can't make her submissive, right? There you go, right? I can create an environment where she wants to be Right. Um, and finally, you know, the the reality of what we're doing wasn't working that kind of thing And so she changed her mind and said, okay, you know, I'm gonna look figure out what makes me happy She came up with this on her own. I might be submissive. I'm like, I've known this for a long time She finally figured it out. That's all, you know, I mean I kept being myself all the way along And you call it be one person drive the bus and finally she figured it out after her 20-something years It takes a while, right? But you can't make anybody submit but you can make them want to I like it. I like it You are listening And watching the 84th edition of red man group live. We're at the 18th 21 convention We're really going to change gears here now. We're going to talk politics the 2020 presidential campaign is kind of sort of under way Um, it's going to be I mean, it's going to be in full operational mode probably right around the first quarter of 2020 The hemisphere I believe is going to be highly affected But I don't know if it's going to be effect effective in the 2020 election. I'm going to start with rich What are your thoughts man on the on the 2020 election? Obviously, you know, we have the make women great again hat which which closely resembles the make america great again What effect do you think The 2020 presidential campaign and subsequent election is going to have on the manisphere in the red pill community if any Well, I think it's the this election cycle more so the last one But this one to solidify it is probably one of the most important election cycles of our history. I agree Right, it's let me let me interrupt you quickly Yeah, I said this on the night of the 2016 election the 2020 election That is going to I think that's going to be the election with the highest number of voters We are going to have the most number of voters at the polls in u.s. History. Yeah, and it's extremely Um dangerous times and it's it's very Disappointing times at the at the same time as we look at it There's never been a time in our country where more people have been pulled towards socialism Communism fascism, even though they're redefining what those words mean, right? So the the the people who are supporting that stuff don't even realize a lot of these kids don't even realize that They're what they're supporting right because they're they're redefining what fascism is they've changed the definition but Just this year fact that on the democratic party you have all these people running on uh democratic socialist platform It blows my mind that you could even run for the presidency If again our entire Government is supposed to support and defend the constitution of the united states of america Then how can you even possibly run on socialist platform when that's complete tyranny and that was Well defined and documented Uh in the early stages as they made the bill of rights in the constitution of those other founding documents, so Um from when I just look at this I just I just sit back as a veteran right as american and I go How is this even possible right like how could you even possibly run on that ticket? And have that actually be Like legitimate So I think we're in a very interesting time because here in the state of florida when we had our midterm election 49 of the state voted for someone who was running on a socialist uh democratic socialist platform and the state held um being a republican Of run state by literally one percent So that's troubling florida and texas are teetering at that 50 mark at florida and texas go You know, uh, I have fears that maybe that's something that turns into a civil war I believe we're in a cold civil war right now digital Yeah, digital. Yeah, it's not kinetic, but there's definitely A war going on behind the scenes that's going to define. Are we a free nation or are we going where we're completely running tyranny? Yeah, tex. I'm gonna turn to my texas boys here The texas is the reddest of red state, but rich just said it's you know 49 It really is we we've got the whole border area, which is um heavily hispanic Which has a lot of democratic influence in there a lot of handouts a lot of big government coming in and saving programs We've got a lot of california folks moving to austin Dallas the areas like that. So yeah texas is one of those states that I don't I don't think it's going to go blue anytime soon But I mean right now, I mean like I said, it's a digital war going on right now You've got the blue church, which is the media you've got these woke corporations that support this whole thing And then you've got trump being the the head of this like what they call the red insurgency, right? He's the alpha male that that resonated with so many guys in 2015 and 2016 You may not like him, but at least he's telling everybody to fuck off right right strongly And so people are going to be drawn to that when they're sick and tired I traveled all over the south four years ago or three years ago And I kept saying trump's got a chance everybody's like, how the hell no hell no i'm like no everybody's pissed off Right and if everybody continues to be pissed off we get the big turnout It's going to be I think it's going to be the the pivotal election for probably the next 200 years Wow, wow, I do Steve you live in texas. Uh, what are your thoughts? Well, I don't think it's going to go blue, but um As a black man, I don't want to do the as a black man thing, but I want to do as a black man thing You're black. Yeah, am I black? I know I really don't know. I just thought it was a man, but um Nobody nobody thought I was black until they actually saw me on the head. I know you're good though. You're pretty tan. Okay. He used to yeah, so The the problems and issues that I everything y'all saying is absolutely correct, but from what I see from a uh, uh African-american, which jesse jackson made up in the 80s to run for president But anyway, oh god as an african-american Uh, the biggest issues that I see is that a lot of young black Men and women see donald trump as a dad that they never had the dad that mom fucked but left her So there's a lot of anger with these young kids They would rather stand in line for a pop eyes chicken sandwich and uh Just you know buy it out of uh, uh out of order Instead of learning that what trump is doing Is he's trying to give you backbone and I think uh, we we we need to do uh, what I'm trying to Is get blacks off of the democratic plantation To cross over and see success, you know, I tell people watch house of cards You can see like you're saying the digital war All you got to do is watch house of cards or any political right movie or show and you'll see that you're the joke They tell you in your face. Well, we're down in the polls go out there and kiss a few babies Go to the black churches, you know stand and hug Hillary clinton with the hot sauce and you know Look at the shit Kanye's catching for being a trump supporter Right And it's it's like we're a bunch of buffoons and idiots because it's act like we can't think for ourselves and And it's like that we I'm not going on. I'm on my soapbox. This shit pisses me to fuck off because Trump to me is success. He's successful in the business world and he's a successful president But the reason why he's success because he doesn't give a fuck He's gonna just tell it like it is where quote-unquote berry Yeah, I mean, obama who was handing dangling his balls to his wife and his spine to his wife It's probably running shit anyway. They want to protect him. So I just think as a black man For for us we've got to well not we but guys like myself and donovan and ed you too. I see you over the end We we've got uh, we've got to show through our successes that We've got to stop making excuses. We've got to stop pointing the finger. We've got to be more accountable We've got to be more responsible for our actions and don't blame a successful quote-unquote white man Treat him as your president. He is a president You've got to honor him like you should but they don't but I'm just saying it's not going to go Blue anytime soon, but within not just texas, but all over the united states These are the problems we're having with the democratic plantation and by the way the reason why And by the way, um, michelle obama has bigger traps than barrage probably why Probably why she runs the family there Stepan you had you had something you had something to uh, to uh, yeah I'd try to keep I like what he was saying. This is probably the biggest election in american history Like this is the whole country is swinging on this now. I'm canadian. I'm not american But I wear my american sweater all the time because I love freedom I think that america is the representation of freedom in the west and if america goes the whole west goes You know, you've got europe going canada will go australia new zealand everybody goes And in my book hard times creates strong man. I talk about the cycles of history and 2020 is a big year because 80 years ago was world war two and every 80 years there's a massive conflict a massive war It was world war two 80 years ago 80 years before that was american civil war And that cycle of history goes all the way back to the middle ages So We're going to have some sort of conflict. Is it going to be a civil war? Is it going to be a petrodollar conflict with russia and china? Who knows? But that's coming on the edge the second thing that's happening pretty soon that's scary is democracy only lasts for 250 years And then the people start voting prizes. So, you know aerostautos says that masculine republics give way to feminine democracies which give way to tyranny So 2026 is the birthday 250 or birthday of the united states And who knows what's going to be left over by the time you get to 2026 you might have a tyranny of whoever's in there And then the other thing is it will be trump because typically when the economy is good in the first Four years he gets a second term. That's the point So the economy is good if it holds out until whenever the election is trump will get in again And then what they usually do with the banks and the central banks who are printing money right now They're doing quantitative easing, but they're calling it not quantitative easing. They're printing a hundred billion dollars a day right now They're going to lift the veil off the economy after trump gets back in Okay, so that's what they do with obama if you recall, you know, they had obama get in and then they lifted the veil Right after it was boom wall streets melting down and here's the problem So I think that's going to happen and then the question becomes After trump's second term, is it going to be trump jr. And trump becomes the prime minister of america? And now you have an emperor trump. Oh boy. That's the real question because julia caesar did that And that's a 250 year birthday. That's only six years away. So there's two crazy things going on 2020 is a war year It's supposed to be war 2026 is supposed to be tyranny. So Watch out guys. It's going to be quite the show Speaking of which uh breaking news. It looks like president donald trump has confirmed the death of isis leader abu bucker alabak daddy Um, I think that will certainly I think that'll certainly help in the in the upcoming election Goldman you and I were talking Before we went live about new york city. You decided to you know hit the road new york city At least the area of brooklyn that you were in Is almost like the sanfront the the east coast version of san francisco. Um, it's it's obviously very uh, you know Very left-leaning very socialist But we see texas is not going to be a red state anytime soon Does new york have a chance to be to become a or i'm sorry a blue state anytime soon Does new york have a chance to become a red state anytime soon or okay, all right He's already not gonna happen But I do want to add this because we're talking about how politics in the monastery or ended up Making this yeah, let's do it because like the dating scene is so interconnected with politics Especially now you can't go out in a city like new york and just have a regular conversation with a girl at a bar And then within 10 minutes. She's talking about politics and every single one of them is like a not just a Uh a democrat but a trump hater right a feminazi Yes, and I always said what I learned to say in the past like a couple years is just like when we had that conversation I'm like, oh, yeah, I don't hate trump and they looked at me like I had three heads Didn't say I supported him just like I don't hate him and they looked at me like I was crazy And so what I see is that the men in these cities these weak the soy boys the millennials They will bend over backwards to please the women and it comes down to politics And it was driving me fucking insane To see all these guys and I know they didn't really feel that inside They were just trying to get pussy and that's when they're like, yeah, we hate trump Vote hillary wearing the shirts and shit the future is feminine I had to leave So that's that's what I see happening and I do see it getting worse Especially the weaker the men are the more they're going to follow the women The women are always going to be to the left politically and that's what I see in the big cities and it's worrisome Yeah, it is. Ken, let me come to you with this And he a Goldman makes a good point. I've always said that something has to get worse before it gets better How is the family unit going to be affected? Let's just say whatever democratic, uh, you know, uh, nominee wins the election Do you think do you think the family will take a setback if the democrats take over the white house or do you think it's gonna I guess what i'm really asking is is it going to be beneficial or is it going to be a detriment if If a democrat takes over the white house or is the family unit strong enough to at least be held together Well, I think the family unit just like I was saying it's a natural thing. It's going to be held together eventually regardless It's going to be something that is hopefully Um, hopefully it will become stronger, but I think what you're kind of saying is is uh, it's this concept of Things have an order And then they move into disorder And then reorder and it's kind of what's happening to the 21 can be right right Where we have had a certain kind of order and the thing that's actually good about what's going on right now Everything is out in the open. Yeah, at least it's in the open We know who is who there, you know before it was kind of like we're this But we're not Telling you exactly what we're out what we're doing But now it's all out in the open and so I think if something happens that's super disruptive Whatever that civil war looks like Or that that's a disruption. That's moving order into disorder And I think it it will eventually move into a reorder of something that has substance It's gonna and I think the family This is my hope would be the the foundation for that reorder There were there were people that got divorced over trump versus hillary They got freaking divorced over it I mean at this point, I mean nothing can divide a nation like a presidential campaign and a chicken fucking sandwich Like to me, that's just it's it's it's just unbelievable Socrates, I'm gonna come to you last uh with this you're uh, you live in the state of florida And I think florida's kind of a swing state. Am I wrong? Okay, what I mean, what are you seeing in the tea leaves? Not good. Okay, and there's there's several things second place. I I see a gross inadequacy with the rule of law We're starting to have a separation between The people who the law pertains to and the governing political class who's completely exempt That's not gonna stand And it's not by a short measure here or there. It's gross. It's in in scale. It's flagrant The secondary element to this and uh parallels to it is I see a lack of an acceptance of democratic will We did not see a peaceful transfer of power through a democracy We have the resistance that is active. It is functioning and engaged and it is pervasive through our governing body That is going to be something that I'm very concerned with is we won't have an election Yet the instead of passively accepting and actively resisting I think it'll become kinetic before whoever comes out I think there's very real danger there. I know the premise is is that Trump gets elected than his son, you know for that. I don't think it'll occur I think what will happen is we'll have someone duly elected And the other political party and its followers will not accept it and will be very active about it And that's when it becomes kinetic and then you have a vocalization of the united states And I see that as a very real threat On the flip side of all that I would say three months ago is in Warsaw At the 21 convention there and what a remarkable city and nation to have that in you have a city that has been Just at the brunt end of the 20th century in its worst form in government Slaughtering people wholesale, you know, whether it's 300 000 jews in one city of Warsaw Whether is the polish uprising of a two in another 218 000 Whether it was hitler leveling the city after it was emptied a complete urban area Emptied during the war and then leveled Uh these people were able to reconstruct not only society With under the guise of communism. Can you imagine that reconstructing the society? I can imagine and isn't surviving that and what did they do? They focused in on the importance and you talk to them and that was some of the conversation I had when I spent my 10 days in Warsaw, you know talking to people there Particularly the the elderly people that were there and they sat down and said we focused on what was important And the one thing that was important was not politics. It wasn't just personal survival. It was family survival You know and they they talk about this and so what you have is you have a complete disruption of the cultural political landscape they They consolidate around the family in this particular case also religion the catholic base Uh, and so that you have this national identity Within that and they maintain that for you know, 40 plus years of you know star communism and trust me It was very hard in Poland, right? Survived that to the extent that they were the first eastern nation to embrace Capitalism embracer and oh, yeah, yeah, very much so and then you look at say, okay You have this entire city that was reconstructive You have all these soviet block housings and buildings and yet within 15 to 20 years in which you have capitalism coming over You have these marvelous gorgeous skyscrapers at the heart of this thing and it is a remarkable contrast So we have stellar examples of human perseverance in time within living memory And if we become afraid if we become, you know frightened, we can look to nations like this as an example I know we look at the united states to say hey, we're getting this right That was the amazing thing about going to Poland was we see a culture and nation Who had done better under more adverse times and we talk about, you know, the the greatest generation of history It's embarrassing when you put that in comparison to what they went through You know, um, you know the first place we tried to visit when I was there was the cat museum And this was an extermination of the officer corps that the the russians had captured during their invasion of poland And what they ended up doing was they intentionally tried to commit genocide of the people that could actually run a nation military officers governors mayors police officers Intellectuals and so forth. So you did not have the intellectual capacity to form a Unified nation so that there wouldn't be this polish polish state. They persevered They exist today and it is an absolute celebration of human form and dignity And so I as much as I get frightened about the act of resistance the war becoming kinetic I can at least look to them and sit down and say they've got it, right? This is an example or we can lean on that as an example Yeah, and they had tougher they have far tougher circumstances than we do here in the us tremendous. Yeah It's really remarkable One of the things I'm really looking forward to This coming year is going back not necessarily to Warsaw. I'll spend some time there But crack out and I'm actually considering Saying hey look, I'm going to probably go there early if you guys want to tail in on me I'm going to be seeing some stuff. All you have to do is keep up Let's take a look at this as an example because I would love to have that shared Not only within this group, but actually have that promoted out there because I think we're going to desperately need it This coming here. Very good. We've got just under three minutes left And we're going to sort of lighten things up a little bit here and I'd like to ask You know individual members of the panel the what your favorite part of the 21 convention Has been this time around and Stefan, uh, you're the newcomer What's what's been your favorite part? What what what surprised you what, you know, what things did you think remain status quo? What are your thoughts? Well, I think there's two things one thing is the the speakers the level of speakers here is huge You know jack donovan and having uh, stafan molony was awesome. Oh, yeah Both sources in my book hard times crazed strongman. I'm meeting my my rock star hero So that's really cool. And then I think the quality of the attendees here is just uh, Phenomenal lots of lots of very bright men Accomplishment, you know guys who want to slay some pussy all sorts of stuff These are very very bright guys and that's really I think what makes this is having This group of men coming to consume this stuff and and push it forward. It's amazing. Excellent. Goldman. Yeah Again, yeah, it comes with the quality of the attendees The thing I respect most in a man is somebody who's searching for truth might be his truth But everybody I meet here. They're searching for their version of the truth. They come here I think this is the best collection of truth seekers. There is right now. And so that's it just makes me yeah warm inside Goldman is the sensitive type, right Steve what's your favorite part about this year's division levels at three levels First level I would say is someone like uh, anthony dray president president president johnson president Yeah, president tay johnson that Cares about you guys so much that he's sacrificing his time and things to Put together a situation in which We can come together as a community. That's number one I mean just the just the level of everything that's done from top to bottom and in between just Truly amazing experience that that's number one level two Is the panel of guys. I mean It is amazing how Everybody they're coming from different areas like I say different communities But with the same mindset and thought process Of helping you guide yourself out of the darkness and into the light So it's the it's the level of guys that come together and on top of that the attendees get to not only see Men interact together, but also when they leave that stage They're not being whisked away in uh, you know, in a little hat in a little goofy ass glasses and she Uh You can come down and speak shake hands talk to them and not feel that they're better than you that you just feel like You know what this is family But the most important thing is these motherfuckers out here listen to us right now you Absolutely attendees real quick give your fucking selves a hand, please you give yourself a hand because Without you guys, man You are the future We need all of you to be the best men because like we will never we're not going to be here for long But we need someone to carry on What we or not we but what anthony has created through us to you So it's just some levels of threes, but I love these guys. They just a group of awesome motherfuckers. Excellent. Excellent Uh socrates we have a minute nine left. Your favorite. No, that's okay. Your your favorite part My favorite part is seeing the shift of the man's sphere Ah going from primarily initially a pickup kind of organization where you're focusing on that to a shift to intersexual sexual dynamics To a shift to family-centric leadership and patriarchal readership I think that is incredibly important I enjoy Literally that this is kind of the center of the man's sphere where you have multiple spheres coming together And i'm really intrigued and fascinated by seeing that grow with new individuals coming in to speak and new ideas and new communities Forming and to sit down and say to watch that evolution is absolutely remarkable. That's incredible. It's incredible. Ken Yeah, it's just been amazing to see how the um, you know To steve's point all these speakers come in from different places and we all created our speech By ourselves Somewhere else and they all come together and it seems like it just flows seamlessly Different themes that are very consistent. And I think that's a really profound thing. Excellent. Excellent rich Yeah, so I think the it's really cool to see how diverse the panel is and how diverse It's still by man So, I mean it's really cool because We have no idea who needs what information and even for me sitting here listening to everyone speak And even listening to the questions that the people have right, right? I learn a lot about the dynamics of what are happening or what's going on in the culture Just by listening and paying attention to what the questions are and then by listening to your guys talks You know, there's things that i'm growing and changing and new ideas that challenge my way of thought You know and uh, it's just cool to have such a diverse panel of people and such a diverse audience and attendance and How we can all do this as adults and and grown ass men and not You know get all emotional because someone says something that might not totally line up with our train of thought Absolutely. Absolutely. Thanks. I think the uh, The really cool thing this year is the addition of the workshops And I know for you guys that have been at 21 con before we have these workshops now I mean I had the opportunity Several of you guys were there as well I mean we had jack donovan leading a workshop on how to write a book and the and the nuances of publishing and all this Can I'm writing a book right now, right? I'm lost and here I got a guy that's written a bunch of successful books Another guy who's written a bunch of successful books in the room given advice as well And we're all just coming together. Who would have thought I would have got that here this week I was blown away. Yeah, um, I agree with with text and rich Every time I come to these events. I learned just as much as the attendees do Um, I learned from guys like stephen steeve ken text rich. I love the Um, I love the uh, and I forgot the name of the book. Oh confidence through violence Um, I love that I love that concept. I love I love how socratic I love how you can never understand exactly what socrates is saying until you think about it a little bit later Right, you kind of have to it's a riddle wrapped in a paradox and all that stuff But I love learning from the guys, uh, and I like the friendships that we make I think that we can all consider ourselves friends. Um, and just and and just like rich said earlier I like that we can I like that we can all come together Um, in terms of diversity, we have many different we come from many different walks of life Who are currently on many different walks of life? And I think there's tremendous value in that and of course the attendees Are what makes this thing possible? So with that, uh, we're going to draw the 84th edition of red man group live To uh, to a close we thank you guys for tuning in we thank you guys for watching that's going to do it