 So about a month or so ago Dave Rubin announced that him and his husband were having two children now We talked about on my show how the backlash from his conservative audience was overwhelming They absolutely thought that that was unacceptable because they don't believe in Gay parenting and they barely believe that homosexuality should be permissible, right? So he for the first time since talking with Glenn Beck afterwards is going to respond directly to the backlash that he faced and Predictably, he's gonna say something deeply disingenuous because this is Dave Rubin. He gets paid to lie. So Candice is gonna bring this up to her credit, but let's let's listen I think that there's no question that the conservative side is much more tolerant and Able to have a civil conversation and say I respectfully disagree with this one thing But I see you as please There's no way that she believes that the right is more tolerant I feel like it's inconceivable that even conservatives think that Inconceivable the right is not more tolerant. That's demonstrably false It's just absurd that she says this with a straight face human being and this is I'm gonna treat you like a human being And it kind of but as I was saying earlier credit to her for saying I view Dave Rubin as a human being And I'm gonna treat you as a human being, you know Even though Candice Owens has very odious opinions on things the fact that she's saying this I think that that is important But still I mean she contradicts herself. She's said homophobic things before But you know credit where it's due it's the bare minimum to acknowledge a gay person as a human being But in these dark times where the Republican Party is a fascist Movement at this point you kind of have to acknowledge the small things right and give them credit for the small things Where typically you shouldn't have to give someone credit I mean you'd think in theory just not being a shitty person is like the basic expectation But no it's not not in America. So I guess credit where it's due Candice jumps into this And I know this is you probably talked about this ad nauseam But it was such a fascinating thing to see you kind of go through the ringer With your announcement on surrogacy and I gave my opinion on the show But I felt like when you made that announcement suddenly you became a conduit It really wasn't about you But there was this much larger debate happening and the conservative movement about surrogacy and what it means and notice How she just said that conservatives are more tolerant But she had to contradict herself there to bring up how he was put through the ringer. That's her words You know Ali stuck. He was kind of deep diving on what happens in this industry. Most people don't even know about this It's so you know, it's so new in America and Within America like the surrogacy process is a lot different than it is overseas, which is something that I learned when I went to England What was it like going through that and and you know just making this amazing announcement where how you know It's life two boys are going to be born and Seeing this side and then also seeing the left one a dunk on that like oh, this is what he gets for Having friends that are on the right. Well, how was it like going through it? Now before he gives his answer I've just got to say that I know that if Dave Rubin were to answer honestly, he would say It felt like shit. It felt horrible. It made me question my life decisions It made me think Jesus Christ. I've been trying so hard to Rehabilitate the rights image, you know, they've been seen as intolerant for years rightfully so because they are and I've tried to Help them and then they shit on me and it just pissed me off Like if he were honest he would say that but of course that's not what he's gonna say and he's going to blame the left Now she talks about how the left was dunking on him for this and she's right We were dunking on him for this because I mean you chose to align with far-right extremists knowing that they are Homophobic and he's claimed like he's the one person in this whole movement who perhaps more so than Candace Owens Who's used his identity as a gay man to claim that? Conservatives are actually more tolerant than liberals and leftists and that blew up in his face, right so to point that out Yeah, I guess you could say that that's dunking but it's also him Finding out after you know fucking around it's you reaping what you so well, you know Laying in the bed that you made for yourself But at the same time that doesn't mean that he deserves to be treated like shit No, the reason why people were responding to this on the left is because you don't deserve to be treated poorly And you are subjecting yourself to this purposefully because you are valuing money over your own human dignity But of course, he's not going to address any of this. He's going to blame Yes The left now not as overtly as as before but he's going to he's gonna take a shot at the left here Well, there were like so many different layers of it So let me just hit the last one first because all of the tolerant lefties were seemingly so thrilled to tell me how The people on the right hated me. It's like, well, are you guys showing me tolerance? I didn't get any love or affirmation from you guys So the left is intolerant because we showed him how intolerant the right is That doesn't even make sense The right was enthusiastically telling you that you're a kidnapper. I mean Mark dice giant conservative Said what you did was perverted Milo Milo Yiannopoulos said that you and your husband should be executed Dave Rubin So who's more intolerant? He knows and look Dave Rubin is an imbecile, right? His IQ is probably in the single digits, but he's at least smart enough to know who really is and isn't Tolerance. He's a gay man, right? There's a reason why he moved to I think it was Florida And he didn't choose to move to Alabama, right? He wanted to get out of these blue states But he didn't choose to go to Alabama or Kentucky. He chose to go to, you know The most bluest or purplest red state that he can find, right? Probably in a very liberal city Because he knows deep down. He knows if he absolutely believed that the right was more tolerant than the left Then he would go to the deepest red county in this country and hold hands with his husband in public We know he's not going to do that because You would subject yourself to abuse potentially even in liberal cities. It's not like you're necessarily, you know immune to that So he knows but he's lying because again, that's what he's paid to do now The irony of course is that I got 99% love now the internet's a weird freaking place There's a lot of mean people and trolls. I wouldn't say it was 99% Like it seemed like it was a pretty significant portion of your own fan base who turned on you Now I'm not sure just like off the top of my head. It was like 50% probably 99% that's a huge fucking stretch and Click bait people and all of that stuff. You're one of them percent of what I got Especially from the public people that I'm associated with some of the names who I mentioned already was all love and by the way I don't expect everyone who I'm friends with or associated with to have to acknowledge something publicly a lot of people Texted me privately or called me and that's just fine You know Forbes wrote a piece that said that Dave Rubin's audience and allies turn on him And it had a picture literally a picture of me and you on your set that you're sitting on right now It did not even mention you in the article But I mean like Okay, the picture maybe Wasn't relevant, but the headline is absolutely Correct because they were trying to say that my audience was leaving me my friends really doesn't mention you in the article I had my best month ever across all platforms last month. So they just make it up completely Well, you know, they use my face. I mean, I don't know what the article said I don't really feel like digging into the article, but I doubt that the article said oh his friends left him I mean People who are on your side who you are aligned with politically were shitting on you and calling you a degenerate That's what I'm assuming the crux of the article is that's what the left was talking about, you know And this is why we're telling you it's immoral to do propaganda for this Political faction that fucking hates your guts, but he's still doing it and he's not gonna stop I'm pretty and people click it. I realized this I swear I said this to my executive I said I said Michael and do you know how many times I've been a picture in an article But then I'm not mentioned at all and I said it must be because I have a very clickable face So I'm going with that theory can this you got that million dollar smile and they know it's gonna generate clicks No, that's what you wrote in the tweet. You were like, well the two of us do look pretty good But look most of it was love look are there going to be some people so we there's two separate issues here in terms of a Same-sex couple having kids and then there's the IVF thing So so are there gonna be some traditional religious conservatives that are not happy with same-sex marriage and same-sex couples having kids Of course there are I believe in religious liberty and as long as your beliefs Don't impede on my life and my ability to have a family and all that stuff Then I still think we can live in the same country and I would hope that they can too But Dave they're saying that you shouldn't be able to Do what you're doing. They're saying that You adopting children should not be allowed. There are so many conservatives who still think that you shouldn't be allowed to be married I mean the Supreme Court in the draft decision Alito claimed that Lawrence v. Texas that decision which said that you can't criminalize sodomy Which means anal or oral sex by the way a lot of people don't know that So it would apply to straight people too, but would only be enforced against gay people But either way, you know Alito claimed that that wasn't explicitly enumerated in the Constitution Therefore, it's not a right. So, you know, he's signaling that he wants to overturn that So there are conservatives in this country who think that being gay quite literally should be criminalized So, I mean if he doesn't know this then he's stupid But he does know this and we all dunk on Dave for being a dummy, but he knows these things He's not that stupid allowed to believe what you want just like you Candace I was invited a couple years ago to speak at Liberty University Convocation in front of 14,000 evangelical kids. They know who I am and they gave me a standing ovation but the thing about that is that You weren't talking about your gay identity. You see Conservatives assuming any of them are willing to tolerate you at all which some of them are not but if they're going to tolerate you they will tolerate you in so far as You don't talk about your gay identity unless Huge caveat. You're using your gay identity to legitimize their bigoted views If you say it's fine for bakers to be able to kick us out of the store and not because of a cake because we're gay If you're saying things like that, it's fine Talk about your homosexuality, but talking about how you and your husband are starting a life together and having a family That crosses the line because they don't want to hear about it out of sight out of mind if you start reminding them that you're gay and you have a gay husband who you love and Are intimate with then that's when they're like, oh no can't accept this and they're using you And you're willing to be used even Dennis Prager said you're useful to them by pretending to be a liberal And you've used your gay identity before to legitimize legitimize homophobia So I mean you you cite that as if that confirms that they don't care that you're gay. No not at all They do care that you're gay They care that you're gay and embraced you because you can be the gay man that says homophobia is fine This homophobic law is fine as you're doing with don't say gay, right? Think about how idiotic this is The don't say gay thing it's all about not grooming children Basically, this law makes it so teachers have to hide their identities and they can't acknowledge that gay people exist Otherwise they could be fired because if you acknowledge that that gay or trans people exist then I Guess the kids will apparently become gay or trans immediately like that. It's almost like a magical spell And so, you know, it's all about grooming and shit like that According to them now Dave Rubin canceled his Disney plus account because Disney claimed that they wanted to increase representation for LGBTQ plus people now conservatives said that was bad because again They think being gay is a choice and having kids see more gay people is going to make them gay so Dave Rubin in solidarity with the right cancelled Disney plus because he also thinks gay representation is bad So I mean I'm trying to figure out How are you gonna raise two kids? Because if you agree with the right that kids seeing Homosexuality or just seeing that gay people exist is going to turn them gay and groom them. How are you gonna raise your kids? Are you gonna put like a fucking Garbage bag over your husband's head and put them in the corner Are you gonna lie to them and say that this is like your cousin or some shit? How are you gonna do that? It's it's completely infeasible by their standards. You're grooming and you're agreeing with them So they support you as a gay man only if you're gonna use your gay identity to attack other gay people But the minute you start saying I'm a gay person with ambitions and I want to start a family That's when they draw the line. That's what he needs to understand Doesn't mean that they all love me at you know, they all agree with me on everything But I actually do think most of them love me and and that's what America is all they don't they're using you First off, I expected a little pushback just on the religious side. That's one thing I expected a little pushback you think On the IVF side, it's look, it's very very complex We can we can do a deep dive into the science on all of that and I don't want to share every little bit You know more privately on on how difficult it was and you know, there were all sorts of things related to COVID There were more My fertility doctor told us that he saw more abortion not sorry not abortions. He saw more miscarriages In the two years of COVID that he had ever seen in his whole career And they couldn't chalk it up to anything other than general states of stress So it's not like we had all of these Embryos that were viable and that they're gonna be aborted and a bunch of other things We can get into a more of that if you want, but I understand that there are some ethical issues around that I really do but also, you know, it's funny because now there's this whole abortion Conversation and I actually have a lot more firsthand knowledge of the science behind pregnancy because you know when you do it through IVF You know, they put the sperm in the egg together not to give you remedial science from eighth grade But they put the sperm in the egg together not to sperm. It's not to sperm. I do acknowledge that I have not a It's not to sperm Really two men can't make a baby. Hmm. Yes, you this is the problem because they are going to say this to you And they did say this to you. It's a natural But I'm curious like I think that's basically all that he says about the backlash He's switch Lee quickly switching gears because he doesn't want to talk about this because I'm assuming it hurts like he's a gay man and I know that that hurts. I have first-hand experience homophobia sucks It hurts and it's painful. He probably doesn't want to talk about it But I'm wondering if he's gonna say oh well because of this experience It made me think twice a bit abortion like I wonder what the conclusion is gonna be from this They can tell you the gender the day later and yet we live in a society that will tell you a that's not a life and Be gender doesn't exist. So perhaps my fertility doctor is a complete psychopath or maybe reality does exist Maybe gender does exist. Maybe life does exist. It's funny Okay, they're going in a different direction Dave nobody is saying that gender doesn't exist There are people who are gender abolitionists that don't want there to be a gender but still they acknowledge that gender exists Sex exists. You're finding out the baby sex. That's what you're finding out I love that the overall takeaway from this is not to rethink his worldview It's to double down on his conservatism and think actually the takeaway isn't that I was wrong and that the right is actually more Intolerant the takeaway is that abortion bad trans people bad as well. I mean, this is why they pay Dave Rubin the big bucks It's because he will shit on his own community and say foolish things make an ass of himself But he gets paid for it. So that's that's why he does it he's craven enough to subject himself to this and okay, you know, that's that's what you've chosen for yourself, but um It's gross and we're absolutely allowed to call it out